Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ EXCLUSIVE： UK's 'Enemy of the State' Tommy Robinson on the breakdown of British civil liberty

00:00:00.240 Hello, my Rebels. Today, a huge feature interview with Tommy Robinson, the man of the hour in

00:00:04.960 UK news, and frankly, around the world these days. We'll talk to him about his political

00:00:10.640 situation and his legal situation, about his plans, his thoughts on other conservatives.

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00:00:59.580 Well, we've been talking about Tommy Robinson all week. In fact, we've been following his great

00:01:14.020 comeback for months. I call it a comeback because all the social media companies at once decided

00:01:20.520 to cancel him, sort of like they did to Alex Jones in America a few years ago. But when Elon Musk

00:01:26.960 revived Twitter and made it the number one news app in the world, he reviewed some of the politically

00:01:33.540 correct cancel culture decisions that company had made, and he turned Tommy Robinson's account back

00:01:40.220 on. Now, I'm not putting it all at the feet of Elon Musk, but that has been a way for ordinary

00:01:47.020 citizens, especially in the UK, to communicate, to express themselves with narratives that are not

00:01:53.860 approved by the political elites, the journalistic elites, and these days by the legal elites. Joining us

00:01:59.900 now via Skype is our old friend and alumnus, I'd call him. Remember, he used to work for us back in the

00:02:06.380 day. Tommy Robinson. Tommy, great to see you again.

00:02:10.480 Yeah, how are you, Ezra? Things are chaotic.

00:02:12.880 You know, I'm following you very closely, as are millions of people. Just, I don't want to over-emphasize

00:02:18.440 Twitter, but it is a big factor here. That is your primary outlet now, isn't it?

00:02:24.160 Ezra is a huge factor. It's a factor that I'd say has terrified the British establishment. It's

00:02:28.780 literally terrified them. They do not know what to do. They don't know how to handle it. They don't

00:02:33.500 know how to handle not being in control of speech and not being in control of the narrative. What

00:02:37.540 we've seen for the last week with the seven days of riots, if it was left just to the mainstream media,

00:02:42.240 you wouldn't have witnessed any of the mobs of Muslims carrying swords, beating up English people,

00:02:46.540 terrorizing the streets across the UK. Simply, none of the mainstream have showed it. No

00:02:51.660 politician spoke about it. The entire narrative has been that the Muslims are victims and they

00:02:56.860 must be protected, when in reality, it's the total opposite. And unfortunately for the British

00:03:01.660 establishment and the British media, because of X, we're able to reach millions, if not hundreds

00:03:06.560 of millions of people to say, actually, this is what's going on. And you can see now they're

00:03:10.800 talking about bringing in new laws. I'd like to ask you, Ezra, Ezra, you're always down

00:03:14.400 this. What do you think they're going to do? Because I'm sitting here thinking, they're coming

00:03:18.660 for me. I've never felt a target on me like the last seven days. Obviously, I upset them.

00:03:23.820 We had 100,000 people on the streets of London in the largest peaceful rally the country's

00:03:28.280 ever seen of patriots. And then I've released a film which has now amassed 14 million views

00:03:33.920 in eight or nine days, which totally exposes the corruption of the judiciary. Neither of those

00:03:39.700 things should be criminal. I currently face a contempt of court proceedings here, which

00:03:44.720 I'm in no doubt they're going to want to lock me up for. But they've tried to land the entirety

00:03:49.220 of this violence on the streets on my lap, even though the evidence goes totally against

00:03:54.380 that. Every message I've given was for peace, for calmness, for no violence. But they've

00:03:58.740 totally ignored that. And they've run with the narrative. And once one said it, which was

00:04:02.500 the Daily Mail, the BBC, Metropolitan Police officers, everyone is literally quoting to say,

00:04:08.520 I've instigated violence and attacks on mosques, which is just insanity.

00:04:12.940 You know, we played some clips of you earlier in the past couple of weeks insisting on peaceful

00:04:18.560 protests. And you know what, Tommy, I don't know if you know the origin of the word scapegoat.

00:04:24.120 It was actually something that they would do. They would, quote, put all their sins and crimes

00:04:29.860 on a goat. And then they would slaughter the goat. And it was a way for the community to purge 0.99

00:04:36.680 themselves of their own sin. And so they've chosen you as the scapegoat, that all the ills

00:04:42.380 and problems of the UK, all the racial strife, all the lack of integration, the poor conditions

00:04:50.380 of indigenous white working class Brits, instead of the people who are responsible for those 1.00

00:04:56.060 problems, owning them, you're the scapegoat. Now, the problem is, in the end of the story,

00:05:01.280 the scapegoat dies. And I don't want to be, I don't want to be morbid, but I know that they've

00:05:07.540 arrested you before. They've jailed you before. They put you in solitary confinement before Tommy.

00:05:13.280 And again, I'm not making light of it. I'm surprised that there's not a special forces SAS team

00:05:19.460 coming down by helicopter right now to grab you 007 style. You're literally public enemy number one.

00:05:24.960 That was the name of your book, Enemy of the State. You are public enemy number one,

00:05:28.800 not some terrorist jihadist, but you are.

00:05:32.280 You know, by doing that, they haven't had to talk about any problems. They haven't had to speak

00:05:36.660 about open border migration. They haven't had to speak about the fact they've filled all these 0.72

00:05:39.660 hotels, men out of the hotels are raped and murdered. They haven't had one conversation about it. We

00:05:43.620 haven't even had a conversation about the motive of why three little girls were stabbed and butchered

00:05:47.800 and nearly a dozen murdered and nearly a dozen stabbed to pieces. They haven't had to have a

00:05:52.160 discussion about the Harefield riots or what happened at Manchester airport. They haven't had to talk

00:05:57.400 about any of it by creating the bogeyman of the English Defence League and landed on my lap.

00:06:01.420 They've totally manufactured. They put up 100 far right riots. None. None planned. They knew there

00:06:07.600 were none planned. It was totally manufactured by the government, by the far left, to create this

00:06:13.080 facade to scare the public. And right now, Israel, I'm looking, some bloke just got 12 weeks in jail

00:06:18.240 for putting an emoji on Facebook. 12 weeks in jail. Another English man just got 26 months in jail

00:06:23.720 for aggressively shouting at the police. Now, when you think about what we've watched since

00:06:28.100 October the 7th, when you think about the terrorist slogans, the calls for jihad by leaders of

00:06:33.060 prescribed terrorist organisations on the streets calling for Muslim armies, they didn't even get

00:06:37.060 their colophon. It's just like, I'm watching it all thinking, you've doubled down. You've gone

00:06:42.760 absolutely two-tier policing. You've gone totally tyrannical. You're showing the entire world.

00:06:48.140 I saw Joe Rogan talking about it. Obviously, Elon Musk got involved. Some of the most influential

00:06:52.580 voices in the world are talking about communist rule of Great Britain, Soviet Britain. And they

00:06:58.440 don't, the scary thing is, I don't think they care. Keir Starmer, I don't think they care.

00:07:03.520 Yeah. Such as Keir Starmer, and I'm sorry to interrupt, because some of these laws were brought

00:07:09.500 in by the Conservative Party. A lot of this mass migration was from the Conservative Party. The calls

00:07:15.620 for censorship over the last 14 years have been under the Conservative Party. So it really is a

00:07:21.780 kind of unanimity, the entire establishment political class and the media. I saw the other

00:07:27.220 day, all the big newspapers had the exact same, exact same front page photo, and they used the

00:07:33.020 exact same phrases. That can't be a coincidence. I'm sorry. I know how competitive Fleet Street

00:07:38.620 is. Those guys would do anything to out-compete each other. They're rivals, and yet they had a

00:07:44.840 unanimous message, Tommy. It's really, it reminds me of Brexit, when the entire establishment

00:07:50.000 closed ranks. It reminds me of COVID. This is an all-hands-on-deck defence of the establishment,

00:07:55.840 and you are the scapegoat.

00:07:58.640 I know. I'm sitting there looking at it thinking, I didn't say that. I've never said that.

00:08:04.400 How have you resurrected the English Defence League that hasn't been here for 10 years?

00:08:09.500 And how is there not one single journalist in Great Britain that's saying, hold on, there

00:08:14.800 is no English Defence League. Hold on, these people were all local to the area. This is

00:08:20.000 all fabricated. They've created an organisation that's been dead. They've scared the whole

00:08:25.340 country and fled and pushed all these. If you look at the Sunderland, one of the first 0.85

00:08:29.940 riots, the one where the police station was burned down, you look at what the men were

00:08:33.720 wearing that come up the street. And an actual member of the public, I don't know if you've

00:08:36.920 seen the footage, he pulls them and says, who are you? How come you're all dressed like

00:08:39.740 that? He was implying and asking, who are you? And he says, are you Antifa? So it's

00:08:45.260 like all of this has been manufactured. And manufactured for what? Manufactured because

00:08:49.280 what are they trying to do now? Well, they don't have to have a discussion. They knew this

00:08:53.420 country was on the verge, and still is on the verge, of a cultural revolution. To have

00:08:57.600 100,000 patriots on the streets of London, to have 1 million people watching that live

00:09:02.440 online, the whole world looking, and to pull it off successfully must have hurt them.

00:09:06.700 It has hurt them. Because we see, before any riots, I'm arrested, but I'm arrested, I'm

00:09:11.360 detained by counterterrorism on my way out of the country. A total abuse of power. I have

00:09:15.680 my phone seized. I'm questioned for six hours without the right to reply. I have no right

00:09:19.820 to silence. So I was questioned for six hours, where everything they questioned me about was

00:09:25.500 my legal, lawful rights. So they're asking me, who are you meeting? Who's involved? What

00:09:29.200 are you doing next? How are you going to do this? It's like, and you don't have a right

00:09:32.620 to remain silent. So you have to answer. You know, I'm so glad you brought that up.

00:09:36.800 It was the next thing I was going to ask you. Because literally a day, like within hours

00:09:41.280 of your last public rally, they swept you up. In the UK, like in Canada, normally you

00:09:49.220 have to arrest someone for, you have to have reasonable suspicion they committed a crime,

00:09:53.420 or you need a warrant of some sort. They used in such an extraordinary and illegal way, a

00:10:01.960 very particular section of the terrorism act designed for like ticking time bomb scenarios

00:10:06.600 where you know a bomb is going to go off somewhere in the next few hours. You must ask the terrorist

00:10:13.580 mastermind questions, sort of like waterboarding without the water. And he has no right to remain

00:10:20.160 silent. And he has no right to stop the police from inspecting his papers and documents. It's

00:10:26.340 a very unusual and draconian law, sort of like the Patriot Act, for example. And they use it

00:10:33.000 on you. And what was funny, I remember we spoke afterwards, and you did a video afterwards.

00:10:37.480 They asked you about your plans for the movement for the rally. And I thought that I thought they

00:10:42.020 would be asking you about the things that they wanted to nick you for like, like contempt of

00:10:47.780 court. All of the questions that they asked of you using this extreme law were, what are

00:10:54.600 your plans for a national movement? A conspiracy theorist, which by the way means someone who

00:10:59.600 will be proven right in three months, a conspiracy theorist might say they were trying to understand

00:11:05.520 the state of the movement because the deep state might have had some agent provocateurs. We saw

00:11:11.580 that on January 6th in the United States. We saw FBI agents whipping up the crowd to go into Congress.

00:11:19.960 We see these perfectly attired khaki pants, red hat feds marching through the United States with their 0.99

00:11:29.600 racism, obviously feds. Why wouldn't the UK do the same thing to take the energy out of your street

00:11:36.700 movement? You had a peaceful street movement, Tommy, that was getting great press. And why not take

00:11:42.180 the energy out of your movement by sending in malefactors, by sending in the odd arsonist, the odd

00:11:49.380 person who can be whipped up by the by the state? I don't want to I'm speculating here, but I've seen

00:11:55.740 this movie before, Tommy. Ezra, do you know why they couldn't do that? Our events are ones that I

00:12:01.160 organized because they keep kind of saying I've organized these events. The only events I've organized

00:12:04.920 have been totally peaceful. And they couldn't do it because we sat out amongst all of the lads. We had

00:12:09.020 we had tough men there ourselves. And we said anyone turns up with a face covering, we're taking them

00:12:14.580 off. Yeah, anyone. So any groups of men, they couldn't send 10 men wearing balaclathes and covering

00:12:19.560 all their identity because we would have turned on them ourselves. We made that very clear to anyone

00:12:23.840 coming. See anyone pulling up with face masks on, we're getting them off. We've got and we had lots of

00:12:28.580 influential football clubs and large groups of men there. And the same MO went to everyone. If anyone's

00:12:33.920 wearing all black and got a mask on, pull them, hold them. Yeah. So it would have been impossible

00:12:38.760 for them to infiltrate that 100,000 without the 100,000 people turning on them. Yeah. And getting

00:12:44.020 their face mask off and finding out who they are. So then two days later, after just anger on the

00:12:49.920 streets of the UK, the next day, then there's buildings being smashed. There's fires get fire,

00:12:55.060 police, empty police stations get set fire. And the people doing it look pretty organized and

00:13:00.000 wearing all the same clothes. So it looks very suspicious.

00:13:03.540 I've seen that.

00:13:04.740 Go ahead.

00:13:05.340 Yeah. Have you heard of the special demonstration squad in the UK? Have you ever looked them up?

00:13:08.840 No, tell me about them.

00:13:09.580 Look up the special demonstration squad. So the British government used to have a group

00:13:12.000 called the special demonstration squad. Their job was to infiltrate demonstration movements

00:13:16.840 and provoke riots. That's their job. Look them up. Google it. Have a look at this. It's an organization.

00:13:23.440 Some of the undercover agents went on to have babies with the groups, with women.

00:13:27.340 I read about that. I remember that. I remember that case because one of the women who had 0.95

00:13:33.900 a romantic affair with the cop was later, felt tricked and I think tried to sue. I do

00:13:39.040 remember what you're talking about. I am going to do that.

00:13:40.580 The special demonstration squad. They've got a fault. They had a fault. And they're not

00:13:43.580 going to not have that now. Now, what they managed to do, we was on the rise, yeah? And

00:13:47.100 the public were totally with us. And I know that from everywhere I go. They've now tried to

00:13:51.420 turn it in a seven day period. Ezra, when I got detained by counterterrorism, they took my

00:13:55.940 phone, yeah? They seized my phone. They seized my phone. I didn't get back in the car. They're

00:13:59.620 saying I fled the country, yeah? Because of the riots. I wasn't even in the country when the riots

00:14:04.500 started. I wasn't there. I wasn't here. And I was on a pre-booked holiday that was booked 18 months

00:14:10.740 before. And then journalists come and dox where my children were. They get the location of where my

00:14:15.940 family and children were and let everybody know. So the rule, I've never, and as I said, I've been in

00:14:21.780 this, Ezra. You know, I've had lots of troubles. I've had lots of problems. I've been in lots of

00:14:25.540 situations. I've never felt a target the way I feel now. And it was a full-on attack. The New

00:14:31.300 York Times today, Panorama today, the Times financial investigation today, they are literally hammering

00:14:38.580 absolutely everything they have from every angle directed at me under the accusation that I instigated

00:14:44.660 riots. There's no evidence of that. They're building me up as the fall guy so that the public

00:14:48.820 perception can be changed. So when they lock me up for a long time like they wish to,

00:14:52.820 and they want to, and if not, they've literally told every British Muslim,

00:14:56.980 I orchestrated and organized the attacks against their mosques. I've got Muslims making videos of 1.00

00:15:01.460 machine guns. Some were arrested yesterday by armed police in the UK. I've got the biggest target

00:15:05.540 on me now. They're probably just hoping a Muslim will kill me, or they're going to bring me home 1.00

00:15:08.660 and drop me in the prison system. There you go, Tommy. See you later. There you go. 1.00

00:15:11.940 And so I'm watching it all, but I'm thinking I'm lucky. I'm so lucky that we have X, because

00:15:19.220 imagine I didn't have it. I've been able to make a counter video that's had 7 million views

00:15:23.300 that shows actually, I didn't say any of these things. Here's what I said. But if I didn't have

00:15:27.460 X, what we've been able to do for five years prior to this is just tell everyone what I'm saying.

00:15:32.340 I'm not. I'm literally not saying it. Yeah. So, you know, and the most important

00:15:38.340 Twitter user is Elon Musk himself, and he has been riveted by what's going on in the UK.

00:15:44.420 He's probably done 20 tweets himself about it. He retweeted that front page about the 1400 girls

00:15:52.260 in Rotherham who were systematically raped. He said, is this still going on, Keir Starmer?

00:15:57.860 He used the phrase two-tier Keir, two-tier policing. So not only is he providing you a forum,

00:16:06.660 but he's asking questions. He's not quite making statements. He usually has a question

00:16:10.340 mark at the end of them, but he's engaged and that has got to be driving the establishment crazy.

00:16:16.100 I think his acquisition of Twitter perhaps is the most important free speech event in a decade.

00:16:23.060 It's the most important for us. It's like, literally, we're under, people don't realize

00:16:29.460 it. We're already under communism without Elon Musk. We're already under communism. They control what

00:16:33.700 you say about vaccines, what you say about big pharma, what you say. They control what you say

00:16:37.540 about everything on every other platform. There is no freedom. So even when they have, we have the,

00:16:42.260 even Americans say we have the constitution. Well, you don't. You might have it on the street,

00:16:46.340 but they don't care what you're saying on the street. They care what you're saying in the

00:16:49.220 platforms where you can reach millions and you can't say anything. You're totally on. If you go

00:16:53.540 on TikTok now and search Tommy Robinson, there's not one single video comes up. If you go on Instagram,

00:16:58.340 they've totally blocked and what they've started doing is wrong. They haven't done it to like to

00:17:01.940 Jordan Peterson, but they've gone through every other video. So all the videos I made, which were

00:17:06.340 calling for peace and calm, they've all been deleted off every other platform. So literally,

00:17:10.340 as they pump and prop the propaganda to the entire nation, he provoked the rioters. If it wasn't for X,

00:17:15.700 there would be actually no history of videos that show that I didn't, that show what the evidence

00:17:20.180 of what I called for. And I can't, it's like, I'm being totally set up in front of the world.

00:17:25.220 Not one journalist has commented on it and they all know I haven't done it. So if you remember in the

00:17:31.460 book 1984 by George Orwell, what was the job of the hero, Winston Smith? His job was, and this was

00:17:38.740 obviously in the pre-internet times, the book was written in the late forties, was to cut out old

00:17:44.580 newspaper articles and replace them with revised histories. And that was his job, is to change

00:17:52.020 the path. And they can't do that. We didn't need to do that on paper anymore. They do that by deleting,

00:17:58.820 by deleting the history, by changing who you are, by repeating a lie often enough.

00:18:05.140 Every, for the last three or four days, every single British chat show, talk show, and news show,

00:18:10.500 every single day has lodged against me as, and some of the words are, instigating violence,

00:18:16.580 directing violence, inciting violence. There's no evidence of any of this. So literally, I feel

00:18:23.220 totally under, I feel the establishment, the media, the police, everything has totally waged war on me.

00:18:29.620 And why? Because I galvanized the British public like no one else has been able to. Because I brought

00:18:35.540 together and unified different races, different religions, different colors under the banner of

00:18:40.020 Great Britain. Because we celebrated our identity and our culture and sent a message to the British

00:18:45.300 establishment. Yeah, it's David versus Goliath, but David's ready for a battle. David's not backing

00:18:49.780 down. And the only chance, I'm still saying, well, I'm still not backing down. And the thing is,

00:18:54.340 right, if they think this is going to work, the cat's out the back. So they think they're going

00:18:58.660 to pull, haul me back to the UK at some point, put me in jail, it solves the problem. The problems

00:19:04.180 that you're seeing spill onto the streets is because they've covered the problems up. Resentment

00:19:08.420 and anger is boiling because of their failure to address the issues. So once again, they had an

00:19:13.540 opportunity here. Keir Starmer had an opportunity to be a statesman. He had an opportunity to stand up

00:19:17.940 and say, we need to unite this country together. We're going to listen to why you're angry. We're going

00:19:22.260 to understand the fears that you have as British people about your culture, about your replacement,

00:19:27.460 about the violence, about the race. We're going to listen. We want to bring everyone together.

00:19:31.620 He didn't do that. He full on attacked. So these problems are going to continue. They're going to

00:19:35.300 bubble up. They're going to grow. And if he thinks putting me in jail is going to solve it,

00:19:38.900 it's going to do the total opposite. Put me in jail and have me killed. You are the sparking the 0.99

00:19:43.780 revolution. You will spark it. So I'm not, I have no other choice at the minute. I haven't done

00:19:49.860 anything wrong. I'm not, I'm, I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of the press,

00:19:53.860 and I'm not going to back down from that. So if you tell me that I can't share videos of riots,

00:19:57.860 I'm sharing. Lock me up if you want to lock me up. Put me in jail if you want to put me in jail.

00:20:02.740 Because the world, the entire world is watching right now. If they want, I know we don't have

00:20:08.980 freedom of speech, but most people still think we do. So this will drill home and put the nail in the

00:20:13.780 coffin of Great Britain for freedom, democracy and democratic rights and freedom of the press.

00:20:18.660 They're going to end it. But let the world know you've ended it. Because for so long,

00:20:21.700 you've been pretending we've still got it. You think you've, oh, the British establishment

00:20:24.820 pretend they're better than China. They pretend they're better than Russia. They're not. You know 0.52

00:20:28.660 that. You block me up whenever you want. The first question they asked me during that counter-terrorism

00:20:32.660 is, what do you think of the United Kingdom? I said, a totalitarian shithole. A totalitarian. 0.98

00:20:38.740 And why did you say that? I said, you've just detained me under terrorism legislation,

00:20:42.500 where what they said is, when they read out the form, they said, you, we believe,

00:20:46.900 we have to believe that you are in the investigation and preparation of acts of

00:20:49.940 terrorism. And both their words were, both their words were, we know you're not,

00:20:54.820 but this legislation gives us the opportunity to do this. I said, so you're totally abusing your power

00:21:01.140 to seize my phone. And the point I made to them, which is they're going to struggle,

00:21:04.260 because they said they were charging me. And whatever happened in those 12 hours I was in custody,

00:21:08.180 on the outside, where this went viral, they made a decision not to charge me. They bailed me.

00:21:12.660 They took my phone, and then there's my solicitor, rang them the next day and said,

00:21:15.460 we're taking you to court. They gave it straight back. Now, I'm a journalist. As a journalist,

00:21:20.580 you're not allowed to get into my phone. You're not allowed to, because I have sources of information

00:21:24.660 on my phone that give me sources of information about your corruption. I've done documentary after

00:21:28.500 documentary on young school girls. Ezra, do you know one of the things they asked me? So I spoke publicly,

00:21:34.180 they're doing me for contempt to court. I spoke publicly about having new evidence that says

00:21:40.180 that Justice Nicklin, from the court, fell out with his own dad before my trial, about me.

00:21:46.820 Yeah. So that means he should have excused himself from sitting on the trial.

00:21:50.980 Wow. So the judge, let me, so this is about the Syrian kid.

00:21:56.100 Are you talking about who sued you for defamation because you, and you proved your case by talking

00:22:03.700 to all the teachers of the school who had been given a chunk of cash to sign a non-disclosure

00:22:09.380 agreement. It's a very contentious issue. That's the video that's your pinned tweet, 40 million views.

00:22:16.420 You're saying the judge who ruled against you, his dad split with him on this matter. Is that what I

00:22:22.500 heard you just say? His dad is a supporter. Wow. His dad's a supporter. Wow. So he,

00:22:29.140 his dad's a supporter. He didn't excuse himself. He ruled against me. So when, when they got me down

00:22:35.540 counter-terrorism, they're not, they're asking me about that. I'm like, and I don't have a right to

00:22:40.500 make silence. So I'm like, is that, and the point being that is privileged information officer. Yeah.

00:22:46.980 Yeah. My, my messages. It's privileged. It's confidential. They can't ask you about your

00:22:53.380 legal case. Let me ask you a question. That interview, was it recorded? Were they filming

00:22:58.340 it? Was it being recorded? You can't get the, you're not allowed the recordings of it as well.

00:23:01.460 No, are you not allowed? No, they were probably recording it. Yeah. They record it. They record it,

00:23:06.100 but you don't, you're not able to get it. Really? You're not, you're not able to get it.

00:23:10.820 And what they say is what they're asking you there cannot be used to charge you. Yeah. So it's

00:23:17.060 literally just finding out what they want to find out. They can't use it. Wow. Did you have a lawyer

00:23:24.100 for at least part of that detention? I had a lawyer. Yeah. I had a solicitor. But what could a lawyer do

00:23:29.140 if you were compelled to answer, I suppose, right? You're compelled to, you're compelled to answer.

00:23:33.300 And I made it very clear. I said, there is zero chance of you. Bearing in mind, and I gave them

00:23:38.500 the rundown, in Rotherham, your police officers got rid of evidence of DNA of Muslim rapists. That's 0.99

00:23:43.940 what you've done, your police officers. In Telford, your police officers were taking money off of

00:23:48.100 Muslim rapists. In Rochdale, they were doing the same. In some of them, your Muslim police officers 1.00

00:23:52.340 were involved in raping the girls. So the girls talked to me. I've exposed corrupt police officers. 0.99

00:23:57.940 Episode six of the rape of Britain, we have a Labour politician, a lead Labour politician,

00:24:02.740 and we have covert recordings, alleged child exploitation from him in the council offices.

00:24:08.980 So they're pushing me and asking me all these questions. You're not having it. You are not

00:24:14.580 taking vulnerable people that talk to me for my work, and then putting on any computer system

00:24:20.500 where these people can get tracked down. Because some of the girls, episode five, we look at Kareem,

00:24:24.740 they literally located where she was and the Muslim gangs turned up. It was the police that gave the

00:24:28.900 information. So I never, ever – and I said, this is the hill I'll die on that. So if you want to

00:24:34.020 prosecute me, that's when they said, well, we're – because the six hours, they hold you in the

00:24:38.260 port for questioning. It's only if you breach the terrorism legislation by not answering them.

00:24:42.660 So I answered all their questions. So one of their questions was, explain to us why you don't

00:24:47.540 agree with a two-state solution. That's so weird. That's so weird. That's crazy that they're asking

00:24:53.620 you your political, religious views. Everything. Everything. They asked me,

00:24:58.740 how do you think you will stop the Great Replacement? That's what they asked me.

00:25:02.100 I'm like, lads, what is this about? What is this about? And obviously, don't get me started on some

00:25:09.140 of the points they raised. So I just blubbed on and told them straight, you lot are a mess. The country's a

00:25:13.540 mess. Two-state solution. Would you give ISIS a state, would you? Would you give ISIS a state? 0.84

00:25:18.100 Shut up, then. I said, look, all of these points you're making, I said, your courts are corrupt. 1.00

00:25:22.420 Your entire court's corrupt. I've proved that. My film, the problem they have is, which is why I think

00:25:27.060 this is all coming. That film on 40 million views, it shouldn't be enough to tear down the judiciary.

00:25:32.740 Right. It should be enough. Do you know the –

00:25:34.740 To have some inquiry. They should have an external commission of inquiry to review the trial,

00:25:39.300 given the facts of your movie. That's how a healthy checks and balances system would work.

00:25:45.060 Whether or not you're right, Tommy, you know, how can we find the objective truth? Well, you've made

00:25:50.180 so many assertions that seem to be backed up by facts and video evidence and interviews.

00:25:56.180 And surely, there's some check and balance in this system that said, well, we should at least

00:26:01.460 take a second look at this and maybe get a fresh set of eyes on this. The fact that they won't

00:26:06.740 tells us something's rotten in the UK.

00:26:09.540 They're just going to lock me up. They're literally just going to lock me up.

00:26:12.740 And essentially, Ezra, it's like, if they don't think I was aware of the consequences when I

00:26:18.740 decided to play the film on the 27th of July, I decided to do that to put the judiciary on trial.

00:26:24.740 I want – I know it's corrupt. I've been through the system. I've spent a year of social confinement.

00:26:30.580 They locked me up and changed the context of things that were said. They totally just fed the

00:26:34.980 public total lies. Whilst I'm censored, they told the public I incited vigilante attacks against

00:26:41.060 Muslim rapists. I just didn't. There's nothing to say I did. But it doesn't matter when they 1.00

00:26:46.180 control the entire narrative and the media. So right now, luckily, I thought I may never have

00:26:51.940 a voice like I've got now. I've got 100,000 people in front of me, and I've got the world watching

00:26:56.100 online. Here you go. There you go. Have a watch. And if it wasn't in the public interest,

00:27:00.660 which is their argument, why have 40 million people watched it in eight days? Of course it's

00:27:04.420 in the public interest. And I'm a journalist. That's my job. My job is trying to cover corruption.

00:27:08.660 Yeah. Wow. Now, Tommy, I want to be respectful of your time. Do you have a few more minutes?

00:27:13.140 Because I've got a few questions. Ezra, I've got time for you, bro.

00:27:16.020 All right. Well, listen. I mean, we follow you carefully. I've known you even before we set up

00:27:20.260 Rebel News. When I was with Sun News Network, then I got to know you a bit when you worked with

00:27:24.500 Rebel and I visited you in the UK. It was a real adventure traveling around with you. And all the

00:27:30.180 places that we see are on fire now. We visited, whether it was Sunderland, for example, where

00:27:36.740 we tried to champion the case of justice for Chelsea, or Fletcher, who had his shop that said,

00:27:43.060 don't support terrorism. And police said, you got to take that sign down. I don't know if you remember

00:27:47.620 crazy cases. Yeah, of course. So we've been interested in you, even when you left us,

00:27:53.140 when you were arrested and thrown into prison, I spoke with your family and got their permission

00:27:58.260 to do the crowdfund to help the legal side. So we have a 10 year interest in Tommy Robinson and your

00:28:04.340 causes. So I think you might need to get, go ahead. You might need to get ready again, bro.

00:28:09.060 You're gonna need to get ready again. I mean, I know what's coming.

00:28:11.620 One of my questions for you, the lawyers who helped get you out of the clink, I don't know,

00:28:18.660 six years ago, Carson K. I really like those guys. They seem really smart. They seem trustworthy.

00:28:25.300 Do you have a good legal team today? Let me read this to you. Let me read this to you. So I do have

00:28:32.020 a good legal team. Okay. That's my first question. I want to make sure that you're lawyered up because

00:28:35.700 you can't go in half-assed. Alistair Williamson, preparation outlined above, first day of court

00:28:41.860 hearing, £50,000 plus fat. Patrick Hill, brief three, outlined above, first day of court hearing,

00:28:47.220 £33,000 plus fat for him. Any subsequent court hearing days would be charged at a refresher rate

00:28:52.260 of £5,000 plus fat plus £3,300 plus fat. At this time, the hearing in October is set to last two days

00:28:58.260 and therefore we will include at least one refresher. That's 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100 plus fat,

00:29:04.500 120. In terms of Carson K of the A's, £25,000 plus fat. How could it be 140? This is part of it.

00:29:12.260 So that's £140,000. Which is like in Canadian money, that's over, it's close to a quarter million

00:29:17.940 dollars. It's around a quarter million dollars, Canadian. For a two-day trial. So this is the

00:29:22.820 point of, it's everywhere. So not only are they getting you in court, they drain you financially,

00:29:28.020 they tie you up. My problem, Ezra, the problem they have at the minute, which I believe,

00:29:33.140 after taking legal advice and spending £10,000 for an opinion, they haven't even served me an

00:29:38.260 injunction. They're taking me to court for breach of injunction that they never legally served me.

00:29:43.700 They actually didn't give me the injunction, they emailed it. Well, Justice Nicklin, who is the

00:29:48.820 judge in charge, we've got him already on another case saying email doesn't constitute service.

00:29:54.660 There's a legal process for service, they didn't follow it. And whether they stick to this in court,

00:30:00.180 they should be kicked out. They should be in trouble.

00:30:02.900 Well, let me say this, so much is right in on this. Those are astonishing numbers, but I know that

00:30:09.940 lawyers in the UK are very expensive. My personal opinion, for whatever it's worth,

00:30:15.060 is you can't afford a cheap lawyer. You need the best lawyers because they are throwing the unlimited 0.62

00:30:20.900 resources of the state against you. All their intelligence services, all their police,

00:30:25.940 all their prosecutors, Keir Starmer, the former chief prosecutor of the country,

00:30:30.500 they're coming down to bear on you. And so while that is an astonishingly large cost,

00:30:35.460 it's my personal opinion, it's worth it. You got to pay it.

00:30:38.900 Well, the thing is, the thing is, and they're saying it might not be two years,

00:30:41.940 it can be four years, four years for a film.

00:30:44.260 Wow.

00:30:44.740 Four years.

00:30:46.020 And how do people chip into your legal defense fund?

00:30:48.340 HelpTommy.com. That's what it is in a minute. HelpTommy.com.

00:30:55.380 Now, let me ask you another question. Go ahead.

00:30:57.380 Yeah.

00:30:57.860 Go ahead.

00:30:58.660 I'm sitting here. I'm looking, thinking at all this. All I've done is galvanize people in peaceful

00:31:04.500 protests and call out the corruption and the failures of a government and previous governments,

00:31:10.340 and point out to their policy failures, all of the reason there's tensions in this country,

00:31:15.780 and Keir Starmer's first speech where he condemned the lawyers actually poured petrol on the fire

00:31:21.540 in a massive way.

00:31:22.500 He inflamed things. He was not a statesman. He was a partisan. He chose sides. That was a shocking

00:31:28.500 speech. Here's a clip of that. We'll put it in right here.

00:31:30.820 I utterly condemn the far-right thuggery we've seen this weekend. Be in no doubt,

00:31:38.900 those that have participated in this violence will face the full force of the law.

00:31:44.820 Yeah. I mean, that was not a healer. That was not someone looking to,

00:31:48.820 there was an amazing, did you see that amazing statement by that, um, very senior, uh, police

00:31:54.580 commissioner, Donna?

00:31:55.540 Yeah, she deleted it though. She deleted it. She had to delete it.

00:31:58.100 She deleted it in a day.

00:31:59.380 But that was an amazing statement that basically said riots bad, violence bad, but we must talk about

00:32:04.260 these underlying issues, which doesn't sound like a shocking thing to say if they were race riots,

00:32:09.460 if there were black riots. Like Keir Starmer personally took a knee for an American incident,

00:32:14.420 nothing to do with the UK, George Floyd, absolutely nothing to do with the UK. Keir

00:32:18.500 Starmer took a knee and was talking about how we need to underline, listen to underlying grievances.

00:32:23.060 But when it's indigenous British people, he says to jail with you.

00:32:26.500 And it, and then you, did you see they arrested someone yesterday for misinformation, for actual

00:32:32.020 misinformation. They arrested a lady because she put up the wrong information online. 1.00

00:32:36.980 Yeah.

00:32:37.380 They're arresting people for misinformation. This is a government that told us, including

00:32:41.860 Keir Starmer, I dug up one of his tweets today, saying that the AstraZeneca vaccine is 100% safe.

00:32:48.340 Right. Well, Keir, it's not. It's been proven not. So you, under your own guidelines now,

00:32:53.140 you need to be prosecuted. But the problem is, these laws are not implemented in that way.

00:32:57.300 They're looked for who they wanted to crush, and they'll use them on them.

00:33:00.580 Well, you know what? Lavrenti Beria, really the first boss of the proto KGB, he said,

00:33:07.540 I think he said this, I forget, Lenin or Stalin. He said, show me the man and I'll find you the crime.

00:33:14.660 As in, we've got him already. We've got everybody already. Everybody breaks some law. We have so

00:33:19.940 many laws, and the laws are so vague. So just show me the guy and I'll arrest him. Whether it's for

00:33:24.820 misinformation or inciting hate. It was incredible to see that head of prosecutions say, if something

00:33:33.300 is likely to incite feelings, if you're insulting someone, just insulting them, if it's likely to-

00:33:39.780 And you retweet it. If you retweet it, you retweet it, you can face prosecution.

00:33:43.940 I mean, what is hate but a human emotion? And, you know, I can get emotional-

00:33:49.060 They've scared, they've used this, they've used this as an opportunity to scare the public into

00:33:52.820 ever saying anything online or in person.

00:33:55.060 Yeah. Well, I want to ask you one more question about the legals before we move on.

00:33:58.900 Um, and it's just based on the last time they threw you away. Um, do you have- God forbid they

00:34:06.980 put you in jail and you're no longer able to make videos. You're no longer able to communicate.

00:34:13.620 They restrict your access to lawyers, which is what they did when you were in prison last time.

00:34:18.420 They made it exceedingly difficult for you to meet with lawyers. Do you have someone,

00:34:24.660 not a successor, but like an operator, a chief of staff, a commander who, if you are incommunicado,

00:34:31.780 can continue to do things in your absence?

00:34:35.620 No, Ezra. Are you volunteering yourself there, Ezra? Because I need someone. Do you know,

00:34:40.260 remember last time when I was in jail, I had, it took me three weeks. I'm in there unlawfully. It

00:34:44.820 was proven. It took me three weeks before I was meant to meet my lawyer. To say I was meeting my

00:34:48.260 lawyer on a Saturday, they come and got me Saturday morning and ship me to another jail.

00:34:52.260 So by the time the lawyer got to the prison, where is he? He's not here. It took another

00:34:55.700 three weeks. Well, you need, you need someone to be the quarterback. Like who will instruct

00:35:01.380 the lawyers? Who will do the crowdfunding? Who will do the messaging? Do you have someone?

00:35:06.500 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. But it'd probably be helpful if I link him up with you, Ezra.

00:35:10.580 Cause I remember last time when, when I was in jail last time, I'm sitting there thinking,

00:35:14.020 I know Ezra would know what to do. Well, I mean, my goal was just to, and maybe we're saying things

00:35:20.180 that we shouldn't publish to the, cause the police will be watching this. In fact, you want me to

00:35:24.340 delete this from the video? Yeah. Well, they're, they're, they're after us anyway, but what I need

00:35:31.860 is on the 28th and 29th, if that's the date of my trial as well, we need journalists there. We need

00:35:37.060 people there. 28th and 29th of which month of August? 28th and 29th October. Okay. October 28th

00:35:43.220 and 29th. And which court is that in? The High Court of London, the Royal Court of Justice.

00:35:48.900 Okay. I've been there before, uh, for some of your trouble, you know what? I'll do my best to attend.

00:35:53.460 I'll check my schedule. I, I remember when they put you in the back of that police van. I think that was

00:36:00.900 it, uh, in Leeds. I can't remember where that was. And they, and they swept you away right away,

00:36:05.620 10 minute hearing for contempt of court and you weren't seen from again. And, uh, and it, I guess

00:36:11.540 what I'm saying is it took a while to get the machinery going to crowdfund and to lawyer and to

00:36:17.460 get you out. Like it took, I think we wasted 30 days. Well, listen, I, I want to be careful because

00:36:22.980 I'm not a British national and, uh, I'm a reporter. I am an advocate and I am a crowdfunder and I do have

00:36:30.660 a legal background because I did practice as a lawyer 15 years ago.

00:36:35.620 There's going to be massive street presence. If, if, if I'm locked up for years for this film,

00:36:39.940 it's going to go.

00:36:40.660 Well, I mean, I'm thinking about not just about you, but about your family. I mean,

00:36:44.420 I know you've been in prison before, but it is not a good place for you to be. Uh, I will talk

00:36:50.500 with your friends, but I want to, I want to make sure I have the right position. I don't want to be banned

00:36:54.740 from attending the UK because I, I want to go there to report. I want to be a reporter, but I

00:36:59.620 think that this is what drives me crazy. Tommy is, I mean, I'm, there are good people in the UK.

00:37:06.340 I like the free speech union, Toby Young's team. I've encouraged them to talk about your case. I

00:37:12.340 think they're shy. I like GB news and, and, and Dubsbury, Michelle Dubsbury is, is good. And there's

00:37:18.580 some good folks there. They're a little bit shy. There are not allowed to talk about me.

00:37:22.980 They're not allowed to. And he's so desperate to put space between you and him that he's poking

00:37:29.620 at you. I think, uh, excessively to try and demonstrate. He's not one of the bad guys.

00:37:34.500 Oh yeah. Because I think he just wants to be a Tory. So he wants the establishment Tories. I can see

00:37:38.740 Nigel fraud joining with the Tory party. And what he's trying to do is slam us to get the support of

00:37:42.580 the establishment Tories. Cause the problem Nigel, I think wants to be part of the establishment.

00:37:47.700 I want to bring the establishment down. Yeah. So there's two very different things.

00:37:52.100 Nigel wants to be in the establishment, cozy in part of it. We done that.

00:37:57.300 Do you have any allies? Do you, who are your allies?

00:38:01.220 Who are my allies? The people of Great Britain, the public.

00:38:04.580 Is there anyone? Do you have, I mean, I know there's the odd independent minded politician,

00:38:11.780 like a Lord Pearson of Rannock, but he's just one.

00:38:14.660 There's a hell of a lot of influential famous people who are now on site. We were on the borderline

00:38:23.460 on the 27th of July before this of every, lots of people coming out at the next event we would have

00:38:29.380 done. I think, I think, and I'm debating right now, Ezra, of calling a march for peace in my country

00:38:37.620 and leading it. Yeah. And leading it possibly on the 12th of October, possibly. So this is,

00:38:45.460 I'm thinking this now, you're trying to bring us down. I know we can control our supporters. I know

00:38:50.180 our support is not what you're implying it is. And I put a question out today saying,

00:38:54.180 shall we unite the kingdom again? I think a hundred thousand people will become a quarter

00:38:58.900 of a million if we do it next time. I think the country is ready and they know it. And that's why

00:39:04.020 they've manipulated the entire last seven days. They actually put out fake demonstrations to get

00:39:09.060 people out so they could get the headlines that they've controlled on every national media.

00:39:12.820 You know, 15 minutes ago, I talked about the deep state and was it a setup. Remember the deep state

00:39:17.220 doesn't just operate directly. They operate through surrogates like Antifa. I remember during the riots in

00:39:22.820 2020 that completely black block dress head to toe, people often with an umbrella to hide themselves

00:39:29.460 were going smashing. They were caught on tape getting the riots going. I don't think they were

00:39:34.500 necessarily FBI agents themselves, but they were surrogates. Antifa does that. And I know Antifa is

00:39:41.300 very active in the UK. Nick Knowles of the Soros funded NGO called Hope Not Hate. He's publicly boasting

00:39:48.580 about hoaxes. He tells lies about acid being thrown in the face of Muslim women that is later repeated 0.78

00:39:55.460 as a cause for riot. Here's a rioter citing an Antifa guy named Nick Knowles saying we have to

00:40:02.580 protect our Muslim sisters from having acid in the face. Take a look. 0.99

00:40:06.100 Our fathers have come from a different country to here. We were born here. We are British, Pakistanis.

00:40:13.140 We are Muslims. We will stand here. We will fight against the EDL. We will fight our ground.

00:40:18.660 That's it. That was a lie by an Antifa spokesman working in collusion with the government. So it's

00:40:33.460 not just the government. It's their agents. Hey, Tommy, let me ask you this. Let me just get quick

00:40:39.380 snappers on a few of these folks because I've seen them lately. Piers Morgan. On the one hand,

00:40:43.860 he talks about you and he actually does have some people quarrel with him like he's a real debater.

00:40:50.420 Any chance that you'll get on his platform or is he just forbidden to allow that? 0.99

00:40:55.380 He's a coward. He's a total coward. He knows if I get on his platform, I will humiliate him. He's 1.00

00:41:00.820 come out and made statements that he can't back up. I know he can't back them up. Any statements I've

00:41:05.140 made, I can back up. But he's a good debater. He's a good debater. He's clever. He's smart. He's fast.

00:41:10.420 I think he's one of the more open-minded people in the establishment. You've been on his show before,

00:41:14.340 right?

00:41:15.780 Yeah. And I ruined him. He come across as a ridiculous.

00:41:18.180 Well, I wish he'd have you on because I think not only would that be, 0.97

00:41:21.300 from his point of view, a ratings success.

00:41:23.140 I did not see his response, Ezra. I called him out yesterday. I said,

00:41:26.660 rather than continue lying about me, why don't you have me on? Give the public what they want. Let's

00:41:29.940 discuss this issue. And then he put, get up off your knees. This is embarrassing. He's like,

00:41:34.660 mate, you're meant to be one of the top debaters. You're a coward. You sit there and you want to 1.00

00:41:38.980 lie about me without a right to reply. And that's the point. That's what he wants to do.

00:41:42.660 And the reason why, Ezra, is because truth's on my side. It's not on his. He knows that.

00:41:47.780 You know, I think that you could appeal to some of his instincts. I'm more sympathetic to him. I

00:41:52.980 agree with you that he's being a bit of a chicken and I think he's treating you unfairly. I just think

00:41:58.020 that the two of you together, I think that would be a fascinating conversation. And I don't know,

00:42:03.060 I just, I just wish it would happen. He should have watched our film and he should

00:42:06.820 have come out like a man. He should have apologized to the young English boy, Bailey. He should have

00:42:10.980 come out, held his hands up and said, look, I messed up. But he's in a position where 40 million

00:42:14.980 people have watched it. People are tweeting him all day, every day, calling him out for his

00:42:18.020 disgraceful journalism, his disgraceful part that he played in that story. And he's obviously not

00:42:22.900 happy because I've made the film. But Piers, be a man about it. Piers, be a man. We all make mistakes.

00:42:27.780 Own it. Own your mistake. Accept when you were wrong. Just like you were wrong for pushing the

00:42:31.540 vaccine, accept it. Accept you were wrong on this. Just like Piers was wrong for falsely

00:42:36.420 accusing the British armed forces of torturing people. Piers was wrong for hacking dead kids'

00:42:40.980 phones. Piers, you've been wrong many times and you want to levy and try and take the moral

00:42:44.820 high ground with me. And the reason is, if we sat down and had this discussion, he loses. He loses and he knows it.

00:42:50.340 Well, that'd be very, and let me ask you, I admire GB News. I think that the backers of it

00:42:56.980 have poured an enormous amount of money in. They're philosophically tilt towards freedom.

00:43:02.100 I think they've held the other media to account. They have talked about issues like migration,

00:43:08.820 you know, illegal migration, crime, things that the others don't. They're not perfect,

00:43:15.140 but I think in the UK media landscape they're as good as it gets. What are your thoughts on GB

00:43:21.940 News? And remember, they're laboring under Ofcom legislation. If they go too far,

00:43:26.260 they'll be shut down. What's your candid take on GB News?

00:43:31.140 My take is that what they've done to Mark Stein, what they've done to Calvin Robertson,

00:43:35.780 what they've done to Dan Worm, what they've done to Lawrence Fox was disgraceful. That's my take,

00:43:39.300 yeah? My take is it was disgraceful.

00:43:40.820 Okay, but put that aside. I think some of that is more HR personnel stuff. But what about, I mean,

00:43:45.860 I watch them every day.

00:43:47.380 They do good work. They do good work. And their presenters have some fabulous presenters pushing

00:43:51.780 the points. And to be honest, they are pushing the points. And they're bringing about more debate.

00:43:55.860 I think you had someone covering your July 27 rally, am I right?

00:44:00.340 For the first time, yes.

00:44:01.540 All right, well listen, I think, frankly, in a world with very few allies, I would put them in the good

00:44:07.700 guy camp.

00:44:08.260 They do great work. They do great work. I probably am being a bit bitter because they

00:44:14.420 continually allow people on their platform to make lies about me, and they never give me a right to

00:44:18.900 reply. Now, real journalism is having both sides of the story. If you want to have someone sitting

00:44:23.300 there slagging me off and talking about me, have my opportunity for me to count on what they're

00:44:27.540 saying. And I have the same with Nigel Farage. Don't Nigel Farage come out just now instead?

00:44:32.900 And the reason he'd done it is when I was arrested on the coward terrorism legislation,

00:44:36.420 all of his own base would have been demanding that he's now a politician, speak about this

00:44:41.380 abuse of power that I've been asking him to. So to get around the need to speak about it,

00:44:45.140 because he's a coward when it comes to mention my name, he sat there and said, 0.57

00:44:48.340 it wasn't to do with terrorism. It was to do with a passport offence. 0.94

00:44:51.620 Even though every bit of evidence is online.

00:44:53.540 You know what? Let me tell you a little story. I don't know if you know this, but on July 4th,

00:44:59.140 election day in the UK, I went to the town of Clacton where Nigel Farage was the candidate.

00:45:04.260 I wanted to see what would happen. And I thought that would be the most exciting place to be. And

00:45:08.820 I spent a couple of days in that seaside city. And I didn't know that in the UK, it takes till

00:45:15.220 like 4am to count the votes. I like it. It looks very rigorous and trustworthy. I wish America

00:45:21.300 were so rigorous. Anyway, so I'm milling around like it's 2am, 3am. And you just,

00:45:26.900 what do you do? You talk to other people milling around. So there were a bunch of Reform UK staff,

00:45:33.780 like senior volunteers, local organizers. And Tommy, at least four of them came up to me and said,

00:45:41.300 hey, we saw Tommy Robinson in Canada. How did that whole thing go? Because this was shortly after

00:45:46.580 you were in Canada doing your tour. So I was talking to all these Reform UK officials,

00:45:51.620 and they were big Tommy fans. They wanted to talk to me about how your Canadian tour went.

00:45:56.500 In comes Nigel Farage. And they're all, you know, saluting the boss. What makes, I mean,

00:46:02.340 I guess what I'm saying is, I bet you, if you could do some sort of a survey of a thousand randomly

00:46:10.180 selected Reform UK people, I bet you 75% of them would be like those blokes I met who were pro Tommy.

00:46:17.460 That's just a little anecdote. I really enjoyed the fact that they were bantering with me about you

00:46:21.940 before Nigel came.

00:46:22.900 Did you see my question that I asked our supporters when we had 100,000 people in

00:46:27.220 Trafalgar Square?

00:46:27.860 I didn't.

00:46:28.180 I said, put your hand up if you voted for Labour. No one put their hand up.

00:46:31.700 Put your hand up if you voted for the Conservative Party. No one put their hand up.

00:46:35.220 I said, put your hand up if you voted for Reform. And the whole place put their hands up.

00:46:39.620 So I said, Nigel, please, right? Stop kicking people out of your party for having an association or

00:46:44.500 supporting or saying words about me. Because as you've seen today, you'll have no people left.

00:46:49.780 So just stop it. Stop lying about me. Let's call it a truce. I don't want to be at war with you.

00:46:54.500 I think you've done some great work, but please stop using your platform on TV to slander or lie

00:47:00.180 about me. You are following. He says he's against the mainstream, but then he takes the mainstream

00:47:04.420 narrative on everything to do with that.

00:47:05.460 I think he's scared. I mean, I saw, I don't think he's quite found his stride on this issue

00:47:10.980 because he is so connected to the establishment. So he's sort of like he's an in-house dissident.

00:47:17.300 He's not outside the castle. He's in the castle. He's in a funny place. I wish him well. I think he is

00:47:22.900 the most consequential politician in the UK since Margaret Thatcher.

00:47:27.220 Brexit, I mean, the man will go down in history for that. His fight against

00:47:31.460 debanking, very important. I have hope for him yet, by the way. Hey, let me tell you something

00:47:38.580 that I say whenever, I mean, I like going to the UK and I started doing that when you worked with us

00:47:42.740 because I wanted to see what was going on. And here's what I think about Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson

00:47:49.860 is inviting millions of working class Brits, especially men, especially working class,

00:47:58.820 in the North, to stay peaceful, to stay positive, to stay constructive, to go to a rally of 100,000

00:48:09.860 people peacefully, multiracial, black people, brown people, like you had such a diversity there. And it

00:48:17.140 almost had a festival feeling, like it was so positive. Tommy Robinson's is actually stopping

00:48:24.100 the radicalization of working class indigenous British men. Tommy Robinson is pulling those people

00:48:31.860 back into their system and saying, don't give up yet. Don't get violent. Don't go for a violent

00:48:36.740 revolution. Come for a peaceful revolution. I believe, frankly, that you are stopping the

00:48:42.660 radicalization and the fact that they're demonizing you, that either it's in good faith, they just disagree

00:48:48.660 with you. Or maybe they want full-out war. Maybe they don't want the peaceful alternative.

00:48:54.340 I think so. And that's what I would say to anyone in the establishment, is if you

00:48:59.140 end the Tommy Robinson phenomenon, these millions of disenfranchised, working-class,

00:49:05.300 indigenous, white Brits, they're not going to suddenly be, you know, I mean, and what's so

00:49:09.860 interesting is Keir Starmer is declaring war on his own people. Those working-class, northern, 0.88

00:49:13.940 white Brits, they vote labor. And where are they going to go? Where are they going to go? Are 0.97

00:49:18.420 they going to, they are going to get angry and that, and there will be much worse than the EDL.

00:49:24.020 There will be terrible things if those people are not welcomed into the system in a positive,

00:49:28.020 peaceful, constructive way. Totally. And I think they don't, they want it. Like even,

00:49:34.340 one of the videos, I looked up what I said, and what I said is men, men in these cities,

00:49:38.740 these kids on the streets, because a lot of them are young, they're angry, they're upset.

00:49:42.660 They need leadership. You have to lead them. The reason why we were successful is because we led,

00:49:48.180 we led what we said, take the balaclavas off, put the bloody rock down, right? We will give you a

00:49:53.620 voice. And that's what I stressed in the build-up. We've done such a good job in the build-up to say

00:49:59.220 to people, Ezra, when I was 25 years old, when I started the English Offensive League, I put a balaclava.

00:50:04.420 We all did. We all run through the streets. We'd done that because there was no voice. There was no

00:50:08.340 one listening to us. We were angry. No one would listen to us. And people are now listening only

00:50:13.540 because of Elon Musk, which is what I stress. We've now got a platform where we're reaching

00:50:17.860 far more people. I think I've got double the support that GB News have, much bigger reach than GB News

00:50:23.380 currently just on my X account. So we are reaching the masses, follow the way we say to do it. Give us

00:50:30.500 a chance at having our voices heard, at changing the culture of the UK. We changed the culture,

00:50:37.620 we changed the politics. And people signed up to that. And they came, and I watched. Some lads were

00:50:42.260 getting angry, and there was a little bit of an argument going on. I was looking on the stage,

00:50:45.700 and I looked, and as they looked over, they just went, all right, all right. Because they know what

00:50:50.500 we've told them. They know the direction we've put them in. We haven't put them in a direction for

00:50:55.140 chaos or violence. And do you know why I stress that? Because look at these lads now going to prison.

00:50:59.860 These kids are angry, and now they're getting taken away from their homes. They're working class 1.00

00:51:03.780 men at 58 years old, banged up in prison for three years. They're going to get terrorists in jail. I know what

00:51:08.740 they're getting. As soon as they land in jail, and they're associated with Tommy Robinson or the right wing,

00:51:13.140 they're going to get hurt by the Muslims in there. They've got terrible prison sentences, 1.00

00:51:16.500 and they're putting targets on all their heads. They're just angry young men. And every time there's

00:51:20.580 a riot in any other community, the politicians sit down and say, we have to understand where

00:51:25.780 the anger's coming from. Not on this. On this, it's just, you're all racist, you're all far right,

00:51:30.660 and you're all going to jail. Yeah. You know, I remember the English Defense League or the EDL, 0.93

00:51:36.100 and I know you basically shut it down more than a decade ago now, if my math is right.

00:51:43.780 If you look at the Google searches, we've done a video on it earlier, looking at it,

00:51:47.380 it has been debunked, not even mentioned since 2017.

00:51:50.580 And it was shut down, and you were the leader, and you renounced it because it was being

00:51:53.700 infiltrated. And to hear Keir Starmer, the media always say, Tommy Robinson, founder of the EDL.

00:52:00.820 The EDL has not been a thing for a decade, but they want it to be so badly because they want that enemy.

00:52:06.900 They don't ask the court base to be that. That's what they want.

00:52:09.780 They don't want the white working class indigenous Brits to be normalized and enfranchised. They want

00:52:15.300 them to be outside, but they want them to be evil, violent outsiders. It's clear that they want that.

00:52:20.100 They want you to be that, but you're not cooperating. You're not reading their script.

00:52:24.580 And we beat them. And essentially, we sent the best message to the world in a massive success.

00:52:30.420 When we left that Trafalgar Square, I said, we've done it. We absolutely done it. Do you know what we've

00:52:35.620 done? We harnessed and channeled people's anger into a festival celebration of their identity and

00:52:42.580 culture. All the things have been taken from. We give those people a sense of belief, belonging,

00:52:47.620 and a vision. We give them a vision. And that's what we're in the process of doing. We're still

00:52:52.500 going to do it. It doesn't matter if we're imprisoned. We're still going to do it. You see

00:52:56.740 the 48% or the 52% of people who don't vote. We're going to electrify them. We're going to bring them

00:53:03.380 together. We're going to give them a vision and a direction, and we will challenge the establishment.

00:53:08.660 It doesn't matter whether they delay it for a year, two years, three years, four years. It is inevitable.

00:53:14.580 And what they don't want is someone that can galvanize them as someone that's going to do that.

00:53:19.140 So see you later, Tommy Robinson. Rest in peace, Tommy Robinson.

00:53:22.260 Well, listen, there's been, how many Osmond warnings have you received? Just for our viewers

00:53:27.940 in Canada and America, an Osmond warning is when police have concrete, actionable intelligence

00:53:34.340 that you are about to be killed. Someone's coming to kill you. They have an obligation to physically 0.88

00:53:39.860 hand deliver to you a warning, letting you know you're in danger. How many Osmond 0.94

00:53:43.220 warnings have you received from the police? 12, sir. 12. 12. Just for our viewers to know,

00:53:48.100 that's 12 genuine death, not just death threats, but plots to kill Tommy Robinson. That's just

00:53:57.060 on the streets, let alone when he was put in prison and let alone what the cops would likely want to do.

00:54:03.780 I am worried about your safety. Just really quickly, I see that you've been doing the American 0.98

00:54:10.260 circuit. You've sort of broken in to the American news bubble. My friend, Ann Coulter,

00:54:14.820 talked to you yesterday. Give me a quick rundown. I know you're on Alex Jones's show from time to

00:54:19.780 time. Give me a quick rundown of some of the Americans and other foreigners you're talking to.

00:54:23.540 I've done Charlie Kirk. I've done what I do yesterday. I've done so many years, right? So

00:54:31.780 do you know what? I've done so many. Do you know how refreshing it was to hear these people sit there

00:54:34.980 and say, we've followed you for years and we support you. We don't, we don't, I've done Alex

00:54:38.740 Stein last night. He's hilarious. Was he funny? Yeah, he's brilliant every time, isn't he?

00:54:45.300 He's such a cheeky guy. He reminds me of Gavin to kill us a little bit. Sorry, I interrupted you.

00:54:49.860 Tell me more. Yeah, Ann Coulter, Ann Coulter, Alex Jones. It's great to see Alex Jones back as well,

00:54:55.380 because remember these people were, he was like me. He was toxic. They destroyed him. They ended him.

00:55:00.660 And then, and see someone who they've spent all that money in that effort and that, that effort to

00:55:05.300 demonize and destroy to then have the credibility that he's now got. I enjoy watching that. I think

00:55:10.820 it's brilliant to see someone come back from the dead, essentially, because they, they made him

00:55:14.900 dead. They made me dead. Yeah. And to see now, and it's like, they should, they, you need to address

00:55:19.700 why we're the biggest voice in the UK. Yeah. You need to address why, but it's not, it's not like,

00:55:26.340 you need to look at why people are looking to us. Yeah. If you want to solve the country's problems,

00:55:30.980 if you don't want to solve them and you want to keep burying them and trying to bury them,

00:55:33.620 but at some point it's, it always comes to the top. And what you've seen in the last seven days

00:55:37.300 is it's come to the top. And you may, you may hide that now, and you may hide it under the far

00:55:41.940 right banner. The problems haven't gone away. The feelings of communities are not gone. The tension,

00:55:47.140 the anger, the frustration, you've just buried it temporarily. It's going to come back. It's going

00:55:51.860 to come back. So we've got a lot of work to do as a country. We've got a lot of work to do as a

00:55:57.300 people, but the message we send back to the establishment again, we ain't backing down. If you think

00:56:02.980 your intimidation, your threats, your imprisonment and all this, it's going to scare us into silence.

00:56:06.980 It's not. It doesn't work with us. Surely you've realized that. It does not work. And in fact,

00:56:10.980 whatever you move you make next actually galvanizes our support base. Eat the wank. So imprison us, 0.65

00:56:17.060 you're going to galvanize the free Tommy movement like you've never seen before. You better be ready

00:56:21.140 for it because it's going to come. So you're going to galvanize the support base. No matter how much

00:56:25.140 you far right label them, you try to crush them, people aren't backing down anymore. You know what?

00:56:29.300 They're not backing down because they generally see their country is in danger. They generally see

00:56:33.860 the future of their children is at risk now. We see it. Everyone sees it. And I'm in the privileged

00:56:40.740 position that I get to experience the public feeling everywhere I walk. So I know, and we're in a bad

00:56:48.340 time but a good time. We're in a good time because the public are totally awake. They're awake and ready.

00:56:54.340 And again, I wish to lead them in nothing but peaceful resistance. And we're not going to stop.

00:57:01.780 Well, Tommy, you've been very generous with your time and I want to let you go because I know you

00:57:04.980 have a lot of things on the go and on your mind. My number one worry is for your safety.

00:57:11.220 I just, I'm worried about that because there's, you've been demonized to millions of people and,

00:57:18.980 and you might have one kook who says- That's why they're doing it. That's why they're doing it. 0.59

00:57:23.940 They're doing it so someone does their job.

00:57:25.540 You've had 12 actionable death plots against you. My second worry, which is growing, is legal help.

00:57:35.300 Now you've convinced me that you have an excellent law firm. My God, are they expensive. But I, I believe

00:57:40.580 you need the best lawyers in the UK. That's my view. I, I'll talk with you maybe more offline about

00:57:46.180 what happens, God forbid, if, if you're swept off the streets, made incommunicado, because-

00:57:51.620 That's what I think they're going to do. That's what I'm surprised. That's what I think. They,

00:57:54.900 they are sitting there and they can't handle the fact that the public are on our side. That's the

00:57:59.940 reality. The public on our side. So they keep trying to crush it and stop it. And if every comment

00:58:04.580 on every article everywhere is in support of us and against the establishment, here, Starmer has had

00:58:09.860 the worst start of any prime minister I've ever seen. He's divided this nation more than anyone could

00:58:14.100 ever dream of. Yeah. And then coming down like a tyrannical regime of, uh, of the Soviet,

00:58:19.220 that's what he's done and that ain't going to work. So yeah, I worry that at some point,

00:58:23.860 bang, Tommy Robinson's in jail and that's what will happen. I'll be detained. I'll be held,

00:58:28.340 whether it be in the country I'm in, I'll be taken to another country. I think there was,

00:58:33.300 there are red things that they were talking about transporting people to the Falklands.

00:58:36.660 I saw that. Yeah. I tell you, um, Keir Starmer ran for parliament as the son of a tool maker,

00:58:43.860 but, uh, he's running as prime minister, as a tyrannical prosecutor. It's just atrocious.

00:58:49.540 Well, stay safe, my friend and stay peaceful. I know you will. That's your mission is to keep

00:58:55.140 these millions of disenfranchised Brits, positive, constructive, hopeful, and nonviolent. The violence

00:59:02.900 has come from the other side, even if the mainstream media lies about it. Um, your,

00:59:09.700 your journalism website is urban scoop. What's the web, the URL for that again?

00:59:16.260 Urbanscoop.news, urban scoop.

00:59:18.260 By the way, congratulations on Sammy Woodhouse, outstanding citizen journalist. I admire her as

00:59:23.540 an individual and I admire her work.

00:59:25.540 Ezra, they're going for it. They're going for it. So her local paper, so all urban scoops have

00:59:31.300 received this week is hit piece after hit piece where they're going for her. 1.00

00:59:34.580 For her.

00:59:35.140 They're going for it.

00:59:35.700 She's a saint who lived through hell and is now a positive community force and excellent

00:59:41.460 citizen journalist. I can't believe they're going after, that's like saying they're going after

00:59:45.620 Mother Teresa, you know, in a way.

00:59:48.260 They're going for it. They're going for it because again, she's giving a credible voice

00:59:51.540 and she's showing what's happening on the street and she's giving the public a voice.

00:59:54.740 They don't want the public to have a voice.

00:59:55.780 I'm appalled to hear that. All right, Tommy, thanks for taking so much time,

00:59:59.940 keeping in touch. Stay safe.

01:00:01.540 Cheers, man.

01:00:02.900 All right, bye-bye.

01:00:04.180 There you have it. Tommy Robinson, the man in the center of the news in the United Kingdom,

01:00:09.300 someone that Rebel News has had an affiliation with for years. We've interviewed him really

01:00:15.860 since the inception of our channel. He worked for us for about a year as a journalist and we've

01:00:20.500 kept in touch for him, including about six years ago, crowdfunding his legal defense.

01:00:25.780 I hope that it sounds like he does have strong lawyers around him. I'm glad. A little bit of a

01:00:30.820 team. I'm a little worried of what happens when he's no longer able to use that great asset of

01:00:36.580 Twitter. Tommy's strength comes from Twitter, which is why they try so hard to censor him.

01:00:43.300 Not only can he get his message out that way, but he can ask for help.

01:00:46.020 If you take him out of it, he can no longer talk, no longer use that huge audience,

01:00:53.300 no longer direct them and lead them. And he may even be cut off in some ways from his legal team.

01:01:00.260 We've seen that happen to him before. Well, a very interesting hour and I hope you found it

01:01:07.780 interesting as well. That's our show for the day. Until next week, when we have big news in Canada,

01:01:13.460 Tamara Leach, back in trial. If you can believe it, Canada's Tommy Robinson. They're persecuting

01:01:19.380 her, turning the process into the punishment, led a peaceful protest, the trucker convoy. She's back

01:01:25.060 in court on Tuesday. I'll be in Ottawa on Tuesday morning with our young reporter, Sarah Stock. Both of

01:01:31.940 us will be covering the trial on Tuesday. Sarah will stay all week. I have to move on to a few

01:01:37.220 other things, but I will be there when the trial resumes on Tuesday. Until next week,

01:01:43.860 on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters and around the world, to you at home,

01:01:48.020 goodnight, and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - August 09, 2024

EZRA LEVANT ｜ EXCLUSIVE： UK's 'Enemy of the State' Tommy Robinson on the breakdown of British civil liberty

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