EZRA LEVANT | Gavin McInnes talks antisemitism, masculinity, and the future of young men
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Tonight a talk about young men with Gavin McKinnis, the inventor of hipsterism and vice, the creator of rebel news and the founder of How to be a man again, our friend Gavin McKinnis.
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tonight a talk about young men with gavin mckinnis the inventor of hipsterism and vice
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rebel news has almost two million subscribers under youtube which is sort of a miracle because
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for i think it was eight years they throttled us they completely demonetized us but that's pretty
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big in fact it's the largest news following in canada that is not with a state outlet the cbc
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actually has more i will confess but no other private media does um but i attributed probably
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half a million of those youtube subscribers to our guest today his name is gavin mckinnis
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and in the early days he i think lived up to the highest ideals of being a rebel sense of humor
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skewering political correctness and sort of sneaking in a conservative message i think he was
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hip with the uh the cool kids before that was a thing i mean in fact he was i think in the vein
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of dr jordan peterson how you know 12 rules for life how to be a man before any of that stuff had
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a proper name joining me now from new york is our friend gavin mckinnis gavin great to see you again
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i i say it to everyone i really think you helped build rebel news especially in the early days
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um i appreciate that i'm not bananas about the term helped i think i built rebel news and i think
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half a million is about half a million um you know what though i you you saw something before more
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most people did the young men had no one talking to them listening to them respecting them and showing
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them the way i think andrew tate came in later and he had his many flaws jordan peterson came in later
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um and in a way charlie kirk came in later but i think you were you identified that young men
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not just young white men other other young men too didn't have anyone in society that they could say
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i want to follow that guy i want to i want to live my potential and be like that guy i really think
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you played that role you read a movie to that effect called how to be a man i did indeed yeah
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i think it's kind of canadian culture it's ozer culture and that is rooted in scottish culture
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which is like your power's rotten come on get up you eat jesse and when when i found out that my
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producer ben ratner was a virgin at the age of 24 and didn't have a problem with it i said we are in
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big trouble this is an issue uh and so i started the proud boys as this sort of jokey way to get
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men to be men again like throw some facial hair drink some beer get a motorcycle practice some sort
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of boxing and uh i think it exploded not because of my irreverent charm but because there was this
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massive demand for it men want to be men men wanted men's clubs and men had men's clubs from the
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industrial revolution to the 80s but when i started one on a lark it just exploded because
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if someone was put political correctness had put their finger in the dam of masculinity and all i had
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to do was was pull it out and it's it's a natural evolution men like hanging out with guys and i
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remember it started blab on but when i was a kid in in canata ontario which is near carp um we called
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them carpies they were really just rednecks they were hosers and they found out that i was a virgin
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at 17 and they go big kimmy's at the house right now he's willing if you don't come over here right
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now and take care of this we are going to pound the crap out of you and i just took that same mentality
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to new york city you know it's funny because uh young people millennials gen z they're dating less
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than ever they're having sex less than ever they're getting married less than ever they're starting
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families less than ever i think some of it's pornography some of it's video games i'm terrified
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when you add in a humanoid robot to those things what that's going to do and i mean uh elon musk
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has pledged to put one million humanoid robots into the world and uh i think if men can get an ai
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girlfriend more easily than a real life girlfriend i'm really worried about two things i think being
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a man includes several parts one is working hard to pay for your family well if a robot does that for
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you you don't have any need to get up early and work hard that's half of being a man and i think
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interacting with women um knowing how to propose and and interact with women if that's replaced by
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robots i i mean i don't want to sound you know goofy or sci-fi here but i i'm worried about that
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you've all know a harari of the world economic forum says the future for people like that is uh drugs and
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video games you know who you're talking to i am the leader in the anti talking about robots movement
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yesterday we did an entire show talking about how sick we are of hearing people talk about
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effing humanoids that's not a thing those things are always going to cost 230 000 that will always
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be made to do our work you're definitely right though about pornography only fans me too those
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have all destroyed dating they made they've made men petrified of women but don't go doing that fox
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news thing where we leak into the possibility of humanoids they are way too expensive i did a whole show
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yesterday on the myth of robots all right i look forward to reading it i i eating it watching it
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pardon me i don't know i mean the sex industry was at the leading edge of videotape leading edge of the
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internet um i i'm not deeply familiar with the sex industry but i've got to imagine there are billions
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of dollars being spent on sexual purposes for robots and even if it's not a mass item i think
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it'll further erode the interaction between the sexes i strongly disagree with you on this it's the
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one thing that i've disagreed with you on in about 30 years i made a joke to my wife yesterday i said
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that there'll be a market for male robots that just go like this and say uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh my wife
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was telling me a story that was so long and i said we need a robot just to be so very very attentive
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that would sell tell me that wouldn't sell you do take a picture of your face like this and then
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print out your eyes and then cut out the glasses shape of your eyes and glue them onto the back of
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your glasses facing out and then you could just be like this like she tells stories it'll take her
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hours to notice then on your phone just play a loop of uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh no i i let's not let
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our our humanoid war uh distract us from a very important subject which is you know men have given
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up and and i think i'm sorry to be crude but i think masturbating is a big part of this you know
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when when you and i were young a picture of a naked lady was the biggest deal in the universe you
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would fold it you'd put it in your wallet you'd put masking tape on the folds so that it wouldn't
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fall apart as you folded and unfolded it 300 times in your velcro wallet uh now they have pornography
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that is it's so disgusting it's all incest and trannies and they're off on this wild tangent when
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girls finally do comply they end up with this you know sodomite pervert who who acts like he's the
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sultan of dubai and just added another girl to his harem so she's completely turned off too uh another
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major factor that no one discusses is boomers and their divorce they invented divorce in the 80s and i
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remember being 10 and seeing all my friends crying at christmas because their parents had got divorced
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on a whim because they were bored and what that did is a traumatized gen x and they they just don't
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want to get married anymore and they you see all these women my age our age and they're they're
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childless and they're 50 and they're really depressed because they screwed up so you know i'm known as the
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proud boys guy the white supremacist guy the nazi the the vice magazine guy but my real work today
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and by the way we've got a 24-hour marathon coming up at 2 p.m on censored.tv that's why i'm wearing this
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tux um my my goal my job is to get guys to put a ring on it and i for for the media never reports on
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this but i literally have hundreds upon hundreds of emails from people sending me their baby pics and
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saying thanks man you taught me to get off my ass and put a ring on it and that is more important than
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pretty much anything is getting more western families yeah you know there are certain things
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that i think make a man one of them is military or adventure or travel or or some contained lawful
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violence not chaotic violence but joining the army i mean it's it's hard to believe that winston
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churchill was in five wars in his life there was a time when you reached a certain age you went off
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to seek your fortune aka fight in the empire somewhere now i see the united kingdom is talking really
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butch about maybe we need conscription maybe we're going to go to war in europe for ukraine
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and i think that men have been demoralized i think you've got a leftist prime minister who has
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a war not of necessity but of of ideology and i i think that there's no british patriotic mass that
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says yeah right on we'll follow this wishy-washy self-hating anti-british prime minister into a
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whimsical war against russia like it it's so interesting that he's reaching for that butch
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we want a strong army after basically denigrating men drumming white straight men out of the military
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and now expecting them to serve one of his political missions i think it's very fascinating to watch the
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reaction in the uk no one wants to fight well look at what the military has done to itself talk to any
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real man any green beret someone like terry shappert down here in the states and they go
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the military's been ruined every time you try to be a real man you're chastised you're reprimanded you
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use the wrong pronouns you know you were too rude like think of of of uh platoon or or whatever with
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these drill sergeants just screaming in your face saying things i can't say on rebel or you'll get
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deplatformed and the reason you do that there's a method to the madness you're you're you're separating the
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wheat from the chat and without that you don't have a military you don't have a weak military you
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don't have a military so the war on masculine masculinity is leaked in to every facet of our
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lives including the military and that's really dangerous you know the importance of traditional
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masculinity is the patriarchy and the patriarchy is good for everyone like if you have a turkey farm
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you it's all females you throw in a male he's not there to to make more turkeys they're done
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they're going to die that year there there's just an order it magically imposes when a man
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is on a farm and that's why a lot of farmers will have a bull with their cows not because he's there
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to breed but because there's something about a bull when it's around cows that it makes the cows behave
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better and that's true of of human society like if these commie marxist lgbtq weirdos ever got their
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utopia they would be the first thing we gays lesbians everything and minorities they're safest
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under our rule you know it's funny because the one military in the world i mean israel's military
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is pretty much so they do have women who participate i should say and i don't know enough about that to
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judge it but under pete hegseth first of all they changed it from the department of defense to
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the department of war they're aesthetically pumping out all sorts of ads that look extremely
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you know violent as in as opposed to a place of diversity and hegseth himself goes out and does
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push-ups and trains with the men i think they're trying to re-masculate the military they called all
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the generals together for a huddle in dc and it was actually we're going to get rid of the affirmative
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action business to get rid of the green the world's greenest military so i i think that what
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they're doing there is is symbolic but it's much deeper than that it realizes that men young men
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they're going to fight the only question is what will they fight for and how will they do it i don't
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know i mean will they this will take men who are full of brimming with emotion and channel it in a
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patriotic way as opposed to you know anything else which would be worse i suppose yeah we had a
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formula for this this is not rocket science i really feel like in many ways we peaked in the 80s and early
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90s and then somehow we lost the plot and decided that fat ugly lesbians should be in charge and it's it's
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the demise of the west and i i think there's i think with trump that was sort of a turning point i mean
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britain is way behind canada is still self-sabotaging with this mark manly loser but i think with trump
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it's sort of signified a general change in the entire western world which is we're mad as hell and
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we're not going to take it in like we played your game for a while and we're not doing it i've noticed
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this with racism too like two years ago you called me racist and i would go no no no that's not
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you're misunderstanding that let me explain the context and now someone calls you that you just go yeah
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whatever i know that word doesn't exist to me like at my local bar the other day this black woman
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she wanted like the beer to be free and i i just interjected i go you're talking about a buyback
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and you get that after maybe five drinks the beers here are five bucks that's the cheapest right around
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so i don't know what you're complaining about and she goes just a black woman living in a white man's
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world now two years ago i would have went it's not about that it's about that and this time and this
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is only a few years later everyone around me just laughed we just went okay okay yeah sure
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like it's we've done being ashamed you know it's interesting there was this attack in um australia
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a few days ago at bondi beach and there were five security guards there who were unarmed the police who
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attended at first i think three out of four of them were women and they did not rush towards the gunman
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they ducked and covered and i'm not saying they didn't do anything but they that gunman went on
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for 20 minutes the police station was three minutes away it reminds me also of the secret service agent
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when trump was shot the female secret service agent got flustered didn't know what to do and i'm not
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saying that women can't serve in certain roles but in an absolute crisis in a panic where you literally
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have to run towards bullets climb up the twin towers when they're under attack those things are
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masculine and i don't know that i don't know exactly what a boss girl is um there's this iconic picture
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of what it is the huffington post editorial board sitting around a table it's almost all women and it's
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almost all white and they said this is the apex they were so proud of what they call diversity
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single liberal white women i don't know i just i think things have gone too far and again just like
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men have a have certain instincts if you have a woman who cannot express her maternal instincts
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naturally like angela merkel who didn't have any kids well she'll bring in five million syrians
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those are her children she'll she'll um project her maternal instincts on foreign military age migrant men
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that's how she'll scratch that itch i really think that's what that is look women can't write all
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right my favorite writers are women and coulter michelle malkin laura hellebrand um the chick who
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wrote unbroken uh that doesn't mean that women can write you could say your favorite basketball
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players are chinese guys but chinese people tend not to be good at basketball so the two are not mutually
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exclusive uh i think we have to come to terms with the possibility that certain groups are better at
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certain things tall black guys are good in the nba we do not need diversity in the nba or it will hurt
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basketball and directing movies is a very tough job you've got to remember all the shots you need
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you have to be an a-hole and be like you can't act you're fired you're salvageable we'll do this 50 more
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takes it's a very masculine thing but people just assume we need more female directors we need more
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women in action movies no we don't and even writing this is a pretty controversial opinion
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but even writing you've got beginning a middle and an end you've got opening paragraphs to book
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come in you have to research the crap out of it and make sure you're right and then a conclusion has to
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be this sort of wise summary of everything you've been talking about it's it's very math oriented it's
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very stem and women aren't good at that and and that's why when you look at most female written
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articles they do me search and it's like living as a single mom uh on her third kid and trying to
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figure out my my future in dating like it's always me me me talking about myself because they're just
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out there so i i'm hoping that we can re-embrace meritocracy and accept sorry men are better in at
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least the violent part of the military men are better generally at writing directing black guys are
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better at basketball and most sports like let's just ignore the fact that we there's too much of
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one group in a thing and embrace the fruits of their labor now i started off by talking about your
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tenure rebel news which started 10 years ago we turned 10 years old this year um the world was so
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very different free speech was a thing they they didn't censor you on youtube in 2015 2016 it was only
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really when trump won in part because of social media that the crackdown began in february march
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sorry january february of of 2017 so you were with us during the golden years of commentary and your
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videos would often get a million views that happens very rarely to us these days and i don't think it's
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because we've changed i think it's because we still remain under some throttling that said um i think
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the online movement has metastasized if i'm saying that word right i think and and you know these
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folks better than me because i know you've done some shows with them nick fuentes candace owens um
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even some folks are at adjacent to info wars i think they've gone absolutely crazy i think they've gone
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nuts i mean you can be politically incorrect you and i have just spent the last 20 minutes being
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sexist and a little bit racist and ableist and transphobic whatever but i see people larping
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live action role-playing as actual nazis nick fuentes says hitler was cool what the hell is going on with
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them i think nick is becoming the more moderate of the group you mentioned but i it i'll defend nick in
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this sense you do as a young man you get you're white you're evil hitler hitler hitler and so you
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say yeah i love hitler i think he's cool it's it's like what i was saying earlier with racism you're a
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racist and you go yeah i am a racist i love it and i don't think these kids really you know admire
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hitler especially the the millions of people he killed i think it's a reaction to the chastising of
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political correctness and even when they you know like this guy he calls himself woman propaganda he
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goes yeah i'm a racist i'm a proud racist people need to be more racist and then i see that his
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business partner is uh my what's his name myron gains a sudanese guy from his parents are african
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so i think a lot of this is tongue-in-cheek but you know it's sort of like cocaine like these people
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are doing a bump of anti-semitism and they're becoming insane coke heads and nick to his credit
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you know he's dialing it back he's going wait guys slow down israel did not murder charlie kirk
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like let's follow occam's razor but the rest of them have surpassed nick and now it's jews did bondi beach
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jews like there was just some orthodox jews strangled in the subway right by my studio
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that was jews setting up random black dudes who their their clothes look very authentic
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and they're they're training these these these negroes to attack jews in order to gain sympathy
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massive terror attack was thwarted by cash patel that was jews and you go you guys have it's become
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a pathology you started with some some general truths like like um you know a disproportionate number
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of the politically correct movement are are secular jews yeah that's true but you've drawn that out to
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everything that happens to jews is jews and i've i've i've gone from being mildly annoyed by it to
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getting really angry i mean they become like vegans it's all they talk about yeah that's the thing i
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mean it's like every inkblot jews jews jews they just can't stop thinking about it christopher
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hitchens there's a great video maybe we can dig it up and put it in the in this clip he says there's
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there's a lot of different ways you can hate people you can hate black people because maybe
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they you worried they're criminals you can hate people from india because maybe you think they're
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cooking smells or something he he listed the specific things that people don't like about other
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races but then he said anti-semitism is different because it's part of this whole cosmic
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theory that the jews run everything everything is like it's like you don't think oh everything in
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my life that's wrong it's because of the indians it's like it he he tried to distinguish anti-semitism
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from other races i thought yeah i think anti-semitism makes people go a little mental i and there's too
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many people who i admired on the right some of whom i worked with some of whom i really looked up to
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who have just taken like it's a kind of pill where you take it and like you just said you can explain
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anything away it's the universal excuse for why things are wrong in the world and it's the
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universal excuse for why your life isn't going well that is such a corrosive thing to believe in
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and so unconservative because this is a this is a very very serious cultural danger and it's only a
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fool who thinks that anti-semitism is a threat to jews and anti-semitism is is a very very toxic threat
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to everything we can decently call civilization and it confers upon us when we find it
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even a little bit because it's quite hard to be mildness is good i like i like it but it's quite
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generally quite hard to be a little bit anti-semitic and i should just end when you where you started
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about the psychosis of course steve coakley was a psycho he couldn't stay off the subject of the jews
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most people who have this prejudice can't stay off it that's the thing if someone says they don't
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like west indians because of their i don't know what it might be their music or they don't like
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indians because of the smell of their cooking or they don't like um koreans for their kimchi or whatever
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it might be everyone every minority and majority in the world has a version of this kind of prejudice
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but as freud pointed out they'll all sink their differences when it comes to the jews
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and with the jews it's not their cooking or their sex lives or any of this it's and it's not just
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vulgar prejudice about skin color or smell or any of this it's a it's a theory it's a paranoid theory
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that tries to explain quite a lot it's fascinated with gold with secret documents with missing codicils
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in ancient treaties uh with the idea of an invisible and secret government it's a it's a very very
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very dangerous pseudo-intellectual uh prejudice indeed and i think below was absolutely right to
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be seismic about it and if the cost of that was sometimes exaggerating it or maybe even conceivably
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once or twice seeing it when it wasn't there i now think that's a very small price to pay
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uh compared to the risks of being insensitive to it and the dangers that it poses well with black
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people here in new york because i go to a boxing gym i go to the bar i have my show with cops on it
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and we're approaching 50 percent anti-semitism and like half the cops are like gavin why won't you name
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the jew they call me goyvin and then the other half of the cops are like what happened to you guys
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like what pill did you swallow and then at the gym the black dudes i think that there's been some
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deep-seated anti-whiteness there and the anti-semitism has allowed them to indulge in their anti-white
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hate because they you know they they see jews as like the most exceptional whites so i get to
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contact you know the eye of the storm and it's this confluence of of bubbling hatred and self-hatred
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whites hating themselves that has all exploded on into this name the jew and here's here's a
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controversial view i think it's good you know why why because i'm hoping these secular jews realize
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that it's not mega it's that they've been totally focused on white supremacy even australia today
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has a commercial out with austica saying you know we need to stop all these knots yeah stop islamophobia
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i'm hoping that all of this anti-semitism shows secular jews because orthodox jews were hip to
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this a long time ago that you've been chasing the wrong tail it's not white supremacy it's marxist
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young rich college students including jews it's the refugees that you embraced and said refugees welcome
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here and it's the brothers it's the it's the radical blacks that you thought liked you those three
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groups hate your guts and mega there's no red hats in these crowds like remember you were at fit and a
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bunch of rich white kids probably some plenty of jews in there were attacking fit of all places
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technology in new york i remember that i was shocked when i went to from you and i went to the city in
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the encampment uh at fashion institute technology and also at columbia i was startled by how many
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non-muslim people were there there were whites every trans activist on campus seemed to be there
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i was startled by how many asian women like chinese american women well it's fashion and and asians tend
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to overachieve so if this is the thing that that everyone's doing i'm going to assimilate and overachieve
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in it and and that and that's a huge part of it too is it's fashion i look i think hate is natural
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we all have it in us and society i blame mostly marxist teachers have taught us that you can only
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hate one group and that is whites and jews are the king of the whites so everyone is funneling all
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their natural animosity which is a normal thing to happen you we're all tribal and they've directed
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all of it in that one little opening in the pressure cooker that is white jews and whites are
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are both in that and it's just blasting full on at them yeah you know i hope it i hope it it it it
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pushes the uh what is it the the window the occam's window what the hell they call it overton window
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open pushes it to the right you know i think it is making some jews wake up but that's just such a
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small percentage of north america i mean jews are two percent of america one percent of canada yeah i i
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like the fact that some jews are finally waking up to reality but i am much more worried about this
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critical mass who are i think guided by like you say a hatred that has been permitted and you know
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tucker carlson whenever anyone asks him about his motivations he lashes out and says as an american
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i'm free to have these opinions i'm free to buy property in qatar no one's saying you're not free
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to say these things but you're saying them and and there's no one who's saying you've gone too far i
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mean when people are starting to but i i mean tucker used to be my hero gavin i was on his show several
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times i thought that guy's ideologically my hero he's professionally my hero look at his success and
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he's taking 30 years of reputation and he is deploying it not just to criticize israel but i i
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get his daily emails he cannot go a day without mentioning the jews and i i don't know if that was
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really him or if that's some new opportunism or i i just i honestly swear to god i do not where
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know where it comes from is it just for cash was he always that way but fox kept it under wraps i don't
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know what's going on i i like tucker too and i like a lot of these bad men but uh and i'm happy to
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discuss judaism and the torah and disproportionate representation in media but this is different this is
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like raw foodists vegans antifa like they they will not effing stunk yeah when they get it and then
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they get mad at you for not wanting to talk about it and i i had a buddy i was at a wedding recently and
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we'd be drinking and having a great time and he'd pull me aside and he'd be like okay how can you deny
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that the top three the banking industry and i would just get back to that again then again then again
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it's three in the morning you're drunk out of our minds and he pulls me aside to bore me to tears
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with this crap and that's that hitchens thing is it's not just oh i hate this person because they
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look funny sound funny do something i don't like it's this cosmic force that that's everywhere and
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gets into everything it's like it it's it's a mystical thing i don't know i'm i'm more worried about
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it than you are and uh i mean canada is not as far gone and i feel like by the way that i am a charter
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member on the populist nationalist conservative right i mean i i feel like i am just as conservative
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as any of these people especially certainly in canada maybe not in america and um i i don't
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intend to be pushed aside because i also happen to be jewish i think rebel news and our other projects
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are a core pillar of canadian conservatism we haven't seen the same nazism take hold here but
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who knows maybe it's well i think i think there is some jewish culpability here too with the left
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wing media and calling everyone a nazi again and again and the anti-defamation league and girl do you
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i've i've heard i've been arguing with with jews who hate me and i i talk about ron coleman and you
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and they go that just because those guys are jewish doesn't mean that we support them we consider
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ezra a nazi and i go all right well now what you're doing is you're creating a golem and you're going
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to the pushback is going to be way worse than the four or five white supremacists you managed to dig
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up yeah gavin i know you've got to run because you you do all sorts of tv projects on your own
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tell our people one more time where they can find your work online so my twitter's back i have the
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longest ban in the history of twitter seven years and they elon brought me back that's gavin underscore
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mckinnis m-c-i-n-n-e-s but i'm very excited about this marathon it starts 2 p.m today i don't know
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if this is live um but it starts at 2 p.m today friday and uh we're going to go for at least 24
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hours and there's going to be bands and props coming by and pizza and fistfights we've got a
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midget who can do the alphabet backwards it's it's going to be incredible and there'll be super chats
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it'll be on our uh youtube also which is uh compound censored and uh it'll i think i'm going
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to try to put it on our twitter it's going to be everywhere and rumble too so it's very exciting
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2 p.m in one hour is this live no it's not live but i'll i'm sure people can watch the replays on
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youtube rumble and twitter yeah well we're gonna we're gonna chop it up and spread it out over the
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next two weeks because i'm going away uh but uh yeah it's it'll be fun right i'm great to see you
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thanks for joining me i know we talked about some heavy stuff but i i really wanted your point of
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view of it thanks for thanks for meeting and talking merry christmas can i say merry christmas
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you sure can and i'll say it back to you my friend merry christmas and happy chanukah too take care
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there he is gavin mckinnis one of my favorite troublemakers and one of the uh original talents
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that helped build rebel news that's our show for the day until next time on behalf of all of us here
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at rebel world headquarters to you at home good night and keep fighting for freedom