Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ INTERVIEW： Dr. James Lindsay

00:00:00.220 Hello, my Rebels. A feature interview with James Lindsay, who is a edgy, tough philosopher.

00:00:09.140 Do those things go together, being tough and a philosopher? Well, with James, they do.

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00:00:55.740 Tonight, a feature interview with American philosopher James Lindsay. It's January 12th,

00:01:03.320 and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:07.340 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:11.040 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:15.120 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my

00:01:19.720 bloody right to do so. Well, when I was in high school, I wore a leather jacket that I thought

00:01:29.680 was sort of cool. It looked like a World War II bomber jacket, and one of the patches on the arms

00:01:33.800 said, remember Pearl Harbor. It was a date that was hallowed, I guess. It was the most atrocious 0.95

00:01:42.800 attack on American history to that point. Of course, 9-11 was seared into the memory of everyone

00:01:49.500 my age. The Democrats want to make January 6th their Easter, Christmas, Passover, and Yom Kippur

00:01:59.880 combined. January 6th, the day they say is the worst day in American history, worse even than 9-11

00:02:06.520 or the Civil War, and they've compared it to that. You may be thinking, what happened on January

00:02:12.600 6th? It was when a crowd of Donald Trump supporters went to Washington to stop what they called the

00:02:22.540 steal, what they felt was the stolen election by Joe Biden, and a number of rowdies in the more than

00:02:31.980 100,000 who were there that day broke into the Capitol building, and a friend of mine calls it the

00:02:36.840 great meandering because they didn't torch the place. They didn't sack it. They sort of wandered

00:02:42.320 around. They sat in Nancy Pelosi's chair, apparently put their legs up, one of them lifted up a podium,

00:02:48.160 but I don't think it quite rises to the level of a riot. I think it was an important day to the left

00:02:54.980 because they wanted to transform all of their critics into violent terrorists, domestic terrorists,

00:03:04.120 that they could then deploy all the powers of the state against the FBI, even the army counterintelligence.

00:03:13.240 They wanted to treat conservative Trump supporters the same way that al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups

00:03:20.860 have been treated under the Patriot Act and use some of the same tools against them. However, things

00:03:25.180 started to fall apart. It's been over a year, and not a single protester, meanderer, or if you want to use

00:03:32.120 the word rioter, has been charged with insurrection or anything like that, even though that charge is

00:03:39.080 available to them. Many of the protesters remain in jail to this day. The Democrats had a hearing

00:03:46.440 on Capitol Hill where they wanted to consecrate the day and gin up a case against conservatives. I want

00:03:53.740 to show you an exchange, though, between Texas Senator Ted Cruz and Jill Sanborn of the FBI,

00:04:00.700 because videotape evidence emerged of people who were agents provocateurs, people who were goading

00:04:07.660 and egging on the crowd, calling on them to break into the Capitol. And some of these folks were

00:04:13.800 identified by name, and yet they were not arrested or charged. One of them is named Ray Epps. And watch

00:04:20.860 this three-minute clip of Senator Ted Cruz and Jill Sanborn of the FBI. Take a look.

00:04:26.140 I want to turn to the FBI. How many FBI agents or confidential informants actively participated in the

00:04:34.700 events of January 6th? Sir, I'm sure you can appreciate that I can't go into the specifics of sources and

00:04:43.820 methods. Did any FBI agents or confidential informants actively participate in the events

00:04:50.380 of January 6th? Yes or no? Sir, I can't answer that. Did any FBI agents or confidential informants

00:04:58.060 commit crimes of violence on January 6th? I can't answer that, sir. Did any FBI agents or FBI informants

00:05:07.660 actively encourage and incite crimes of violence on January 6th? Sir, I can't answer that. Ms. Sadburn,

00:05:17.260 who is Ray Epps? I'm aware of the individual, sir. I don't have the specific background to him.

00:05:27.180 Well, there are a lot of people who are understandably very concerned about Mr. Epps.

00:05:33.580 On the night of January 5th, 2021, Epps wandered around the crowd that had gathered,

00:05:40.140 and there's video out there of him chanting, tomorrow we need to get into the Capitol,

00:05:45.180 into the Capitol. This was strange behavior, so strange that the crowd began chanting,

00:05:50.780 fed, fed, fed, fed, fed, fed, fed. Ms. Sandburn, was Ray Epps a fed?

00:05:59.660 Sir, I cannot answer that question. The next day, the next day, on January 6th,

00:06:05.900 Mr. Epps is seen whispering to a person, and five seconds later, five seconds after he's whispering

00:06:11.740 to a person, that same person begins to forcibly tear down the barricades.

00:06:16.860 Did Mr. Epps urge them to tear down the barricades?

00:06:27.740 Sir, similar to the other answers, I cannot answer that.

00:06:32.540 Shortly thereafter, the FBI put out a public post listing, seeking information on individuals

00:06:38.700 connected with violent crimes on January 6th. Among those individuals, in the bottom there,

00:06:43.820 is Mr. Epps. The FBI publicly asked for information, identifying, offering cash rewards,

00:06:50.620 leading to information, leading, for information leading to the arrest. This was posted, and then,

00:06:56.540 sometime later, magically, Mr. Epps disappeared from the public posting. According to public records,

00:07:05.260 Mr. Epps has not been charged with anything. No one's explained why a person videoed,

00:07:11.260 urging people to go to the Capitol, a person whose conduct was so suspect, the crowd believed he was

00:07:17.580 a Fed, would magically disappear from the list of people the FBI was looking at. Ms. Sanborn, 1.00

00:07:24.540 a lot of Americans are concerned that the federal government deliberately encouraged illegal and

00:07:31.740 violent conduct on January 6th. My question to you, and this is not an ordinary law enforcement

00:07:37.260 question. This is a question of a public accountability. Did federal agents or those

00:07:42.780 in service of federal agent actively encourage violent and criminal conduct on January 6th?

00:07:49.180 Not to my knowledge, sir. Thank you.

00:07:57.900 Well, there you have it. The exchange between Senator Ted Cruz and Jill Sanborn of the FBI.

00:08:03.020 Joining us now via Skype from Tennessee to talk about it is James Lindsay, author and the boss of

00:08:09.340 New Discourses website. He joins us now. James, great to see you again. Thanks for making the time to be here.

00:08:15.740 That was a riveting exchange. I saw a similar exchange with Kentucky Congressman Thomas Massey

00:08:23.020 of other officials. He played videotape of what Ray Epps did. If someone were to ask me,

00:08:30.620 did someone from Rebel News do all these things? I would say no. I would say, I don't know what you're

00:08:36.700 talking about. There's no connection. I would just say no. It's so easy to say no. If there's no

00:08:41.980 connection to you, you would say no. She was saying I can't answer, but the questions begged

00:08:50.140 for someone to say no. And the fact that she couldn't or wouldn't, I think that the burden

00:08:57.740 of proof lies with her to disprove it. And I don't think she did. It's very suspicious. There's literally

00:09:05.100 no way to watch that and not come away thinking this is very suspicious. I think for the millions

00:09:11.660 of Americans that Senator Cruz was talking about and for, that they are not wrong to have their

00:09:19.260 suspicions confirmed, whether that's about Mr. Epps specifically or about federal government

00:09:23.260 involvement on the January 6th, apparently worst day of history. So I agree with you completely 1.00

00:09:33.100 in that regard. That should have been very easy to disavow. Of course, she's under oath,

00:09:38.780 which makes that a little bit more difficult if she knows that she cannot disavow it. And so I think

00:09:44.460 that what we see here is something extraordinarily suspicious that should increase, not decrease,

00:09:51.260 Americans' concerns and people throughout the world's concerns about what exactly was going on

00:09:57.100 and what the point of the entire January 6th facade a year ago and its follow-up celebration or whatever

00:10:05.420 they tried to do with it this year, what that actually represents. It gives off this, not to invoke

00:10:10.700 something too big of a stalking horse of history, but it, but it invokes the memory of the Reichstag

00:10:16.540 fire at that point. Yeah. You know, I think the Democrats have tried to build this up and do a

00:10:22.940 big thing. I saw a report of a political focus group that says it's just not resonating with ordinary

00:10:28.220 people, including with Democrats. I think there's so many crises in America now from the lockdowns and

00:10:33.580 the pandemic to inflation, the price of gas and, you know, open borders. And I mean, there's China, 0.84

00:10:39.260 other parts, there's so many crises around the world. This, if it really was like 9 11 or Pearl

00:10:47.100 Harbor, you wouldn't need to tell us. I mean, that patch, remember Pearl Harbor, you wear that 50 years

00:10:53.580 later because maybe you weren't there to live it. Every one of us lived through January 6th, 2021.

00:11:01.340 And the fact that I think 99% of Americans would say, what, what are you talking about? What happened then?

00:11:06.740 shows that it isn't a thing other than maybe it was a sort of entrapment, a sort of a, I mean,

00:11:16.740 really the continuation of the five-year war against Donald Trump of what is known as the deep state.

00:11:23.300 I mean, the deep state is, I think, defined as the permanent governing class, bureaucrats,

00:11:28.640 civil servants who watch politicians come and go. It's the FBI. I would imagine that trust in the

00:11:36.960 FBI has got to be at an all-time low since the time of J. Edgar Hoover.

00:11:41.920 It is from what polls I've seen. And I saw that about the focus groups as well. It's not resonating

00:11:47.320 with Americans. And frankly, the reason is because Americans aren't as stupid as some of these elite 1.00

00:11:53.140 leaders want us to believe that we are. If we wanted to get all philosophical about it, we can invoke 1.00

00:11:59.520 Jean Baudrillard, the French postmodernist who talked about the creation of hyper-reality, which is a false

00:12:04.820 reality that was attempted to be depicted in the film The Matrix. And kind of the point there is that when

00:12:10.580 you learn to see that that's what's happening, that they're creating something fake, it doesn't resonate

00:12:15.500 with you. It wasn't a momentous event for most Americans. It wasn't a significant event in any

00:12:22.200 regard. It was a huge act of political theater. Again, to invoke Jean Baudrillard, he famously wrote

00:12:27.440 a book titled The Gulf War Did Not Take Place. Well, January 6th did not take place. He said that the

00:12:34.220 Gulf War was an atrocity masquerading as a war. And what we have here is a farce masquerading as the

00:12:41.660 worst day in American history. But the point is given away. The point is given away very clearly

00:12:46.500 by the New York Times. On the 1st of January this year, they published an article carrying the title

00:12:52.740 Every Day is January 6th Now, which is, of course, preposterous. But one has to ask, what does that

00:12:59.260 mean? And you read the article and you get the impression that we're now in this kind of after the

00:13:04.820 events of January 6th, that we're at the tipping point of fascism constantly. And students of

00:13:09.880 philosophical history will have read there, Herbert Marcuse from 1965 with the famous essay

00:13:15.020 Repressive Tolerance, where he says that we must suppress all movements from the right,

00:13:20.060 including censorship, pre-censorship, even using violence against them. We must tolerate movements

00:13:25.560 from the left, even if they are censorious or violent. And the reason being that in the whole,

00:13:30.720 he says, the whole of the post-fascist era is one of clear and present danger that justifies 0.70

00:13:35.620 the removal of democratic tolerance from right-wing and reactionary movements. And so we would see

00:13:40.940 the recreation of this philosophy that brought about the violence of the 1960s, the end of the

00:13:45.940 1960s, 68 and 69. We see the resurrection of this now from the New York Times echoing this farce

00:13:53.400 that's being perpetrated by the federal government, not to say that January 6th, 2021 or 2020, sorry,

00:13:59.360 21, was, I get my years mixed up because they last 300 years each now, if you will. But not to say

00:14:08.840 that they, Ray Epps, et cetera, perpetrated this, but to say that they've tried to create this hyper

00:14:13.660 real fantasy that there was as bad a day in American history as the Civil War or as Pearl Harbor or as

00:14:20.920 9-11. This is just farcical. Americans see straight through it and what it's doing, just like we see with

00:14:26.500 so much of the terrible bogus policy around COVID is it's draining trust in these institutions. And

00:14:34.280 like you said, the FBI, the polling right now is that the FBI is, I think, the least it's been trusted

00:14:39.480 at least since the days of J. Edgar Hoover and maybe longer, maybe period. You know, it's incredible,

00:14:47.160 this huge commission to look into things. I think the purpose, as you say, is to denormalize

00:14:53.440 conservatives. And just like there's demand exceeds supply for racist acts, that's why Jussie Smollett

00:15:04.260 and the NASCAR, you know, garage noose handle, you know, so many racial incidents turn out to be

00:15:12.200 hoaxes. In this country, we have the famous hijab hoax, where a young girl claimed that an Asian man

00:15:18.380 snipped it with scissors or like just, and the media is so desperate for these things to be true,

00:15:23.720 they run with them, even if they're laughably fake from the outset, demand exceeds supply.

00:15:30.360 And so I think this committee, they want evidence that conservatives and PTA moms and MAGA,

00:15:38.200 Trump supporters are these horrific people. But when that evidence doesn't happen organically,

00:15:42.640 they give it a little nudge with guys like Ray Epps. They, they send in agents, provocateurs.

00:15:49.760 Well, I mean, it would be useful to have inquiries into the summer of arson and riot,

00:15:56.160 that the Black Lives Matter movement, which was clearly organized and funded, and we don't know

00:16:01.140 by whom, and I don't think anyone ever looked into it, you would think they would look into that,

00:16:05.620 like Washington DC itself was ablaze. No inquiries into that.

00:16:11.380 Yeah, that's exactly, exactly the problem. And, and people see it and people see through it and

00:16:18.360 people are getting increasingly suspicious and, and just to cut to the chase, angry that this is

00:16:23.940 happening because the, the, the contract, if you will, in, in societies, we're going to elect these

00:16:30.980 leaders and they're going to represent us and they're going to do the things that, that are with

00:16:35.160 the consent of the government. They're not going to become tyrants that just kind of trample across,

00:16:39.940 uh, the freedoms and liberties and equality that should be guaranteed to free citizens in a free

00:16:47.140 country. And so people are rightfully getting very upset. You mentioned the PTA moms and we again see

00:16:53.500 the same story evolving there. We have these investigative reporters, including people like

00:16:58.700 Asra Namani that have been digging in and have discovered that this infamous letter that by, by

00:17:04.720 Attorney General Merrick Garland, that naming parents at school board meetings who are upset about

00:17:10.700 what's being done in the schools, both with regard to COVID policy and critical race theory and these

00:17:15.380 other, uh, social emotional learning and the queer theory and all of these things that, that likening

00:17:20.140 them to domestic terrorists and bringing the weight of the FBI and other federal investigative

00:17:24.040 agencies down upon them, not local law enforcement to deal with anybody who gets too heated or

00:17:28.840 anything, but no, these are federal incidents. And then this investigative reporting now shows that

00:17:33.400 this, this didn't originate organically with say teachers or teachers unions or school board members,

00:17:40.100 not that the teachers unions are particularly organic either. Uh, it originated in house. And so this was a

00:17:47.100 thing that the Biden administration created, made it look like it came from somebody else and then

00:17:52.900 instituted, which is just a means to trample the rights of angry parents who have every right to

00:17:59.020 be angry about the abuses that are, are being pressed upon their children. And we're seeing this kind of

00:18:04.500 pattern play out again and again. And this is the kind of pattern that comes from a tyrannical

00:18:08.960 government, not from a legitimate government in a free society. I think it's worse in Canada because

00:18:15.400 at least in America, you have a countervailing force. You have a Senator Ted Cruz, you have a Senator

00:18:20.000 Rand Paul, you have some, uh, independent minded Republicans and even some thoughtful Democrats.

00:18:26.080 There are some in Canada. It's a political monoculture. Our quote, conservative opposition

00:18:31.740 is neither conservative, nor do they oppose certainly nothing on the crisis of the hour,

00:18:36.560 the pandemic and the lockdowns. There has been no dissent from any, uh, government or any official

00:18:43.940 opposition in this country to that. And we would never have freewheeling, um, risky, so to speak,

00:18:51.280 committee hearings like we just saw there because it's too controlled by the party leaders who are

00:18:55.540 all in cahoots. I want to show you one more thing that we would simply not have this in Canada. And that

00:19:00.860 is another Senator Rand Paul, who I, I think is excellent, um, grilling Anthony Fauci, perhaps the

00:19:07.740 most powerful member of the deep state there is when you come right down to it. I want to play a couple

00:19:12.100 minutes of this Rand Paul versus Anthony Fauci, and then we'll come right back to talk more with

00:19:16.520 James Lindsay here. Take a look at this. Senator Paul. Dr. Fauci, the idea that a government official

00:19:23.820 like yourself would claim unilaterally, unilaterally to represent science, that any criticism of you

00:19:30.440 would be considered a criticism of science itself is quite dangerous. Central planning, whether it be of

00:19:36.600 the economy or of science is risky because of the fallibility of the planner. It would not be so

00:19:41.820 catastrophic. If the planner were simply one physician in Peoria, then the mistakes would

00:19:47.700 only affect that physician's patients, the people who chose that physician. But when the planner is a

00:19:53.540 government official like yourself who rules by mandate, the errors are compounded and become

00:19:59.400 much more harmful. A planner who believes he is the science leads to an arrogance that justifies in

00:20:06.340 his mind using government resources to smear and to destroy the reputations of other scientists who

00:20:12.340 disagree with him. In an email exchange with Dr. Collins, you conspire, and I quote here directly

00:20:17.660 from the email, to create a quick and devastating published takedown of three prominent epidemiologists

00:20:24.760 from Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford. Apparently, there's a lot of fringe epidemiologists at Harvard,

00:20:31.760 Oxford, and Stanford. And you quote in the email that they, or from Dr. Collins, and you, you agree

00:20:38.800 that they are fringe. And immediately there's this takedown effort. A published takedown, though, you know,

00:20:44.140 doesn't exactly conjure up the image of a dispassionate scientist. Instead of engaging them on the merits,

00:20:50.360 you and Dr. Collins sought to smear them as fringe and take them down. And not in journals, in lay

00:20:56.860 press. This is not only antithetical to the scientific method, it's the epitome of cheap politics,

00:21:02.740 and it's reprehensible, Dr. Fauci. Do you really think it's appropriate to use your $420,000 salary

00:21:09.740 to attack scientists that disagree with you?

00:21:11.740 Senator, the email you're referring to was an email of Dr. Collins to me. If you look at the email...

00:21:22.240 That you responded to and hurried up and said, I can do it, I can do it. We got something in Wired magazine.

00:21:27.240 No, no, no. I think in usual fashion, Senator, you are distorting everything about me.

00:21:33.240 Did you ever object to Dr. Collins' characterization of them as fringe? Did you write back to Dr. Collins and say,

00:21:38.240 no, they're not fringe, they're esteemed scientists, and it would be beneath me...

00:21:41.740 I did not...

00:21:42.740 ...to do that. You responded to him that you would do it. And you immediately got an article in Wired,

00:21:47.240 and you sent it back to him and said, hey, look, I've got them. I nailed them in Wired of all scientific publications.

00:21:51.740 That's not what went on. There you go again. You just do the same thing every hearing.

00:21:56.240 That was your response. And this wasn't the only time. So your desire to take down people...

00:22:01.740 You're absolutely incorrect. As usual, Senator, you are incorrect almost everything you've said.

00:22:06.740 Well, no. You deny. You deny. But the emails tell the truth of this.

00:22:10.740 No.

00:22:11.240 This wasn't the only time. Your desire to take down those who disagree with you didn't stop with Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford.

00:22:16.740 You conspired with Peter Daszak, who you communicated with privately, and other members of the scientific community that wrote opinion pieces for Nature.

00:22:25.740 Five of them signed a paper for Nature, an opinion piece.

00:22:28.740 Seventeen signed a paper that called it conspiracy theory, the idea that the virus could have originated in the lab.

00:22:35.740 Do you think words like conspiracy theory should be in a scientific paper?

00:22:41.740 Senator, I never used that word when I was referring to it. You're distorting virtually everything.

00:22:48.740 Did you communicate with the five scientists who wrote the opinion piece in Nature where they were describing, oh, there's no way this could have come from the lab?

00:22:57.740 That was not me. What I did...

00:22:58.740 Did you talk with any of those scientists privately?

00:23:00.740 See, but you keep the story of the truth.

00:23:02.740 Did you?

00:23:03.740 It is stunning how you do that.

00:23:04.740 Did you talk to any of the scientists privately...

00:23:06.740 Yes.

00:23:07.740 ...who wrote the opinion? You did.

00:23:08.740 What were they telling you privately?

00:23:10.740 Well, let me explain. You know you're going back to that original discussion when I brought together a group of people to look at every possibility with an open mind.

00:23:20.740 So not only are you distorting it, you're completely turning it around as you usually do.

00:23:25.740 For most of the scientists that came to you privately, did they come to you privately and say, no way this came from the lab? Or was their initial impression, Dr. Gary and others that were involved, was their initial impression actually that it looked very suspicious for a virus that came from a lab?

00:23:40.740 You know, Senator, we are here at a committee to look at a virus now that has killed almost 900,000 people.

00:23:49.740 And the purpose of the committee was to try and get things out how we can help to get the American public.

00:23:56.740 And you keep coming back to personal attacks on me that have absolutely no relevance to reality.

00:24:04.740 Do you think anybody has had more influence over our response to this than you have?

00:24:07.740 Let me finish.

00:24:08.740 Do you think it's a great success?

00:24:09.740 Madam Chair, can I... 1.00

00:24:10.740 Do you think it's a great success what's happened so far?

00:24:12.740 You have said...

00:24:13.740 Do you think the lockdowns are good for our kids?

00:24:14.740 You have said...

00:24:15.740 Do you think we slowed down the death rate?

00:24:16.740 More people have died now under President Biden than did under President Trump.

00:24:19.740 You are the one responsible.

00:24:21.740 You are the architect.

00:24:22.740 You are the lead architect for the response from the government.

00:24:24.740 Right.

00:24:25.740 And now 800,000 people have died.

00:24:27.740 Right.

00:24:28.740 Do you think it's a winning success?

00:24:29.740 Well, that's...

00:24:30.740 That exchange goes on for some time.

00:24:32.740 Rand Paul asking questions that in Canada would be unthinkable to ask any public health official.

00:24:39.740 I don't even know why we have so many public health officials.

00:24:42.740 Every city, every province, every jurisdiction has a public health doctor when really it's just a game of Simon Says.

00:24:48.740 They all parrot what the top dog says.

00:24:51.740 James Lindsay, I just said that Anthony Fauci is the most powerful member of the deep state.

00:24:57.740 He's not an FBI man.

00:24:59.740 He's not a CIA man or a defense man.

00:25:02.740 But this pandemic, or more accurately, the lockdowns and the infringements on our civil liberties in the name of the pandemic, have done more to destroy American notions of freedom and limited government than anything else I can think of.

00:25:18.740 But since the Civil War and the and the policy of slavery, I think you could say slavery was a greater infringement on civil liberty than the lockdowns.

00:25:30.740 But other than slavery, this is the worst thing that's ever happened to America.

00:25:35.740 I completely agree.

00:25:36.740 I have about a million things at once that I feel like I want to say.

00:25:40.740 You asked, for example, why you have so many public health officials and they all play a game of Simon Says.

00:25:46.740 You can ask why the Soviet Union had so many commissars and they all said the same thing.

00:25:50.740 And I don't draw that that comparison flippantly or glibly.

00:25:57.740 And another thing is, you know, just like we talked about how January 6th and the John Baudrillardian sentence did not take place.

00:26:04.740 The COVID-19 pandemic did not take place.

00:26:07.740 It was a power grab masquerading as a pandemic as I think not to say that the virus isn't real, not to say that millions of people didn't get sick,

00:26:16.740 not to say that many people didn't die as a result of getting sick, though we don't know how many now that the information is coming out that those those statistics were clearly inflated.

00:26:28.740 But what we have is a is exactly what you said.

00:26:33.740 The greatest infringement upon civil liberties, upon free people in free countries, United States and Canada, both among them since slavery.

00:26:43.740 And you have to wonder because this didn't just happen in the United States and Canada.

00:26:48.740 Australia is in worse shape than Canada.

00:26:50.740 This has happened across Europe, which is mostly in worse shape, at least in the United States and in some places even than Canada.

00:26:57.740 The sole exceptions being Sweden and Switzerland to the to the degree of knowledge that I have.

00:27:03.740 It's certainly happening within the UK.

00:27:05.740 And so something that, you know, ominously might be named Operation Lockstep got let loose in the name of this pandemic.

00:27:17.740 And we see people like Fauci not being able to answer very important, very clear questions.

00:27:25.740 For example, why he's declaring himself to be the science, which to invoke another French postmodernist Michel Foucault warned us about under the name of biopower is you should not allow technocrats to take power and claim the mantle of science as though it's just absolute truth and the justification for their seat of power.

00:27:41.740 And we have him not being able to answer simple questions about his involvement in certain activities, such as we saw in the clip where he's smearing the scientists that gave the Great Barrington Declaration, who doubted that the approach that Operation Lockstep or whatever it happened to be was reflecting in the pandemic in not just the United States, not just Canada, but in every major Western nation simultaneously.

00:28:10.740 And it raises serious questions that are not being answered.

00:28:15.740 And again, you know, why?

00:28:19.740 Why do we have so many of these these public health officials who are saying exactly the same thing?

00:28:24.740 And I bring the question back to the table.

00:28:27.740 Why did the Soviet Union have so many commissars who said exactly the same thing?

00:28:32.740 You know, you want to be careful of conspiracy theories.

00:28:38.740 I always say to our reporters, you don't need to go there.

00:28:41.740 The facts that are out in plain sight are more shocking than what your imagination could come up with if you try to speculate.

00:28:49.740 There was this great editorial by Neil Oliver of Scotland the other day where he says, look at the language build back better.

00:28:56.740 There was that exact slogan, exact words being used by Joe Biden, Justin Trudeau, Boris Johnson.

00:29:05.740 Like, how did how did that just happen?

00:29:07.740 Did they have a call about it?

00:29:10.740 Did they all do they share marketing strategies or camp?

00:29:16.740 Like, how did that phrase or the great reset, which, you know, we know where that comes from.

00:29:22.740 That's the World Economic Forum.

00:29:24.740 How did how did how did these ideas?

00:29:26.740 Where did they come from?

00:29:27.740 And and I don't think you have to be in a mad fever to say there is some sort of communication and coordination that we are not allowed to observe over the last two years.

00:29:42.740 I think so much of governing has been done by order rather than through laws debated, you know, vetted public consultations, transcripts of hearings.

00:29:54.740 Like, that's how it's normally done in a Congress or a parliament.

00:29:57.740 Parliaments and Congresses and the British Parliament in particular hasn't debated or voted on any of these things.

00:30:04.740 They've just been emergency orders issued by bureaucrats that we never even heard of until 18 months ago.

00:30:11.740 And I don't think it's a conspiracy theory to ask to ask the question, how did that pattern like to notice the patterns and say, how did that happen?

00:30:22.740 And you would think that journalists just out of basic curiosity would ask that.

00:30:27.740 But they seem to be the most ardent defenders of of these new, I don't know, ideologies, these global means around the world.

00:30:37.740 Yeah, that raises yet another question.

00:30:40.740 Why is that the case as well?

00:30:43.740 You know, and the I agree with you that the the facts on the table raise significant questions.

00:30:52.740 What is the World Economic Forum?

00:30:53.740 What is the intention of the Great Reset?

00:30:55.740 Who is involved?

00:30:57.740 Who knew what and when to kind of paraphrase the infamous Watergate trials?

00:31:03.740 Because somebody knew something.

00:31:04.740 Did your banker did the officials of Goldman Sachs who show up to these Davos things?

00:31:10.740 Did they know when they signed you a 30 year mortgage that they're going to engage in a great reset that looks like it looks like it's going to crash, you know, currencies and cause rampant inflation as part of the program?

00:31:23.740 Did they know this?

00:31:24.740 Did they know that, you know, Klaus Schwab put out a video with the World Economic Forum in 2016 that says, by 2030, you will own nothing and you will be happy that they were selling you a house?

00:31:35.740 Who knew what and when?

00:31:37.740 Why did so many CEOs suddenly resign in 2019?

00:31:41.740 Why is there another wave of CEOs that have been resigning over the past few months and so many large major corporations?

00:31:46.740 There are sufficient facts on the table now to start asking extraordinarily hard questions.

00:31:52.740 And one of them ties back exactly like you said to what Neil Oliver said, the phrasing build back better coming out of so many mouths all at once, just like the policy for the response to the hyper real pandemic was was all in lockstep in the same from all corners.

00:32:09.740 We don't just have that.

00:32:10.740 They're talking about a great reset.

00:32:12.740 They're talking about a narrow window of opportunity in which to do this great reset, which that language comes straight out of Klaus Schwab's book, COVID-19, the great reset, which he published very rapidly last year after the pandemic or the year before last, after the pandemic started.

00:32:30.740 I think it was out by summer of 2020.

00:32:32.740 And so we should be asking these questions.

00:32:35.740 Who's involved?

00:32:36.740 What did they know?

00:32:37.740 What is the role?

00:32:38.740 For example, a phrase that hasn't been used here, but what is the role of these new ESG investment metrics that score corporations and institutions along the lines of environmental, social and governance scores that are decided by who these exact same kind of elite technocrats who are making these decisions behind closed doors?

00:33:00.740 We already have evidence that we have with the social media, big tech companies that we have the corporate world in the United States getting around the Constitution, doing the bidding of the Democrats and government where they through censoring people where the government doesn't have the ability to do that and vice versa.

00:33:18.420 So you can have this very weird what Klaus Schwab refers to as a public-private partnership between public entities like federal governments and private entities like gigantic corporations who all seem to be on the same page, who all happen to attend the same big club meeting in Davos on the regular and have a series of commitments that they have to make in order to continue being part of that club.

00:33:41.320 These questions need to be brought to be brought to the fore at this point, and it's no longer going to be after the past 24 months or so.

00:33:48.780 It's no longer sufficient to dismiss these questions by saying that sounds conspiratorial.

00:33:53.140 That sounds like a conspiracy theory.

00:33:54.840 People need to get answers to these questions.

00:33:57.740 You're right.

00:33:58.480 I mean, we haven't even talked about George Soros.

00:34:00.320 I regarded it as an unusual moment in my own life when George Soros sued me personally for writing about him in the Toronto Sun.

00:34:12.520 I had just joined the Toronto Sun, and this was months before the launch of the Sun News Network.

00:34:17.160 And the newspaper made the decision to retract and apologize.

00:34:21.560 I don't think they wanted to fight George Soros.

00:34:23.340 I resisted that, but literally was just hired by Sun News, and I was in no position to resist it.

00:34:31.540 I've been interested in him ever since.

00:34:35.040 I mean, I simply wrote what he told his own biographer, that he, I mean, when he was a teenage boy, for those of you who don't know, he was in Hungary, and he was a Jew, even though him and his father really were,

00:34:47.780 they abandoned their Jewishness, they, you know, they spoke Esperanto at home.

00:34:56.000 He was a very early, I guess you could say, globalist or transnationalist.

00:34:59.520 And his father said, we're going to get through this thing.

00:35:02.840 You're a teenage boy.

00:35:05.200 Do what you need to survive.

00:35:06.960 And for a while, he would ride his bike around Budapest and hand the death notices to the Jews to show up to the train stations. 0.55

00:35:14.860 And then later, his dad placed him with like a Nazi overseer who was confiscating Jewish property.

00:35:22.660 Like, I mean, you can't really blame a teenage boy for doing what his father says and for doing anything to survive the war.

00:35:29.220 But it was fascinating in that clip on 60 Minutes, decades later, when he was asked, you know, you did things to survive that would put anyone on the psychologist's couch forever.

00:35:41.040 Do you have any remorse?

00:35:42.740 And I think that's a fair question, not did you make the right decision when you were 15?

00:35:48.040 But how do you feel now, decades later?

00:35:50.860 And he told his biographers and he said as much to 60 Minutes that it was the most exciting time of his life and that he has no compunction about it.

00:36:01.580 And it was if he didn't do it, someone else would.

00:36:03.780 It's like a market.

00:36:05.040 He felt completely amoral.

00:36:07.000 Here's a clip from 60 Minutes, just in case you don't know what I'm talking about.

00:36:11.000 When the Nazis occupied Budapest in 1944, George Soros's father was a successful lawyer.

00:36:17.320 He lived on an island in the Danube and liked to commute to work in a rowboat.

00:36:22.400 But knowing there were problems ahead for the Jews, he decided to split his family up.

00:36:27.000 He bought them forged papers and he bribed a government official to take 14-year-old George Soros in and swear that he was his Christian godson.

00:36:36.040 But survival carried a heavy price tag.

00:36:38.320 While hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were being shipped off to the death camps,

00:36:43.380 George Soros accompanied his phony godfather on his appointed rounds.

00:36:47.320 Confiscating property from the Jews. 0.83

00:36:50.260 These are pictures from 1944 of what happened to George Soros's friends and neighbors.

00:36:55.700 You're a Hungarian Jew who escaped the Holocaust by posing as a Christian. 0.84

00:37:04.700 Right.

00:37:04.980 And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.

00:37:12.860 Right.

00:37:13.540 I was 14 years old.

00:37:15.340 And I would say that that's when my character was made.

00:37:18.560 In what way?

00:37:19.520 That one should think ahead, one should understand and anticipate events.

00:37:24.520 And one is threatened.

00:37:29.300 It was a tremendous threat of evil.

00:37:31.500 I mean, it was a very personal experience of evil.

00:37:34.300 My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

00:37:43.000 Yes, yes.

00:37:44.040 Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews. 0.99

00:37:47.980 That's right.

00:37:49.380 Yes.

00:37:49.640 I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years.

00:37:59.940 Was it difficult?

00:38:02.880 Not at all.

00:38:05.000 Not at all.

00:38:05.920 Maybe as a child you don't see the connection.

00:38:10.060 But it was, it created no problem at all.

00:38:15.980 No feeling of guilt?

00:38:17.200 No.

00:38:17.740 For example, that I'm Jewish and here I am watching these people go, I could just as easily be there.

00:38:25.060 I should be there.

00:38:26.320 None of that.

00:38:27.580 Well, of course, I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away.

00:38:36.560 But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there because that was, well, actually, a funny way, it's just like in markets, that if I weren't there, of course I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would be taking it away anyhow.

00:39:03.980 And it was the, whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away.

00:39:10.540 So I had no role in taking away that property.

00:39:14.880 So I had no sense of guilt.

00:39:16.800 So the reason I mentioned George Soros is because I know a little bit about him and how he likes to censor.

00:39:21.880 And I regret the fact that the son did bend the knee to him about a decade ago.

00:39:26.900 But that made me curious, and forgive me for going on here, James, I just want to tell you a story.

00:39:32.060 So when I heard that George Soros was working with Justin Trudeau on Canadian immigration policy, and George Soros has no connection to Canada, he's not a Canadian, he doesn't live here.

00:39:42.280 We filed an access to information request to our government asking for the background on this because it was a government press release that Soros was basically the policy brains for Canada's immigration policy.

00:39:54.060 Okay, government press release says this happens.

00:39:57.020 We did an access to information request and they said, no, we have no record of it.

00:40:02.140 So we didn't believe that.

00:40:03.400 And it was a five-year battle for them to release the records.

00:40:07.560 And at the end of our interview, I'll play Sheila's story showing that.

00:40:10.940 And here's my point.

00:40:11.700 I'm sorry to have such a long story, James.

00:40:14.020 But there are so many conspiracy theories around George Soros that when the government announces that it's doing a policy, it's outsourcing Canadian immigration policy to George Soros' Open Society Foundations.

00:40:30.780 And then when we ask for the paperwork behind that, they claim it does not exist.

00:40:34.900 And five years later, we find out they were hiding it.

00:40:39.160 That destroys trust in the entire institution of government.

00:40:43.980 And it doesn't tamp down conspiracy theories.

00:40:47.560 It gives them credence.

00:40:50.820 Because I believe we have, in the story I just said, and we'll close this interview, but I'll show you what Sheila got in those records.

00:40:57.840 When the government does secret business with George Soros and hides the proof of it for five years and has to be taken to task five years later by the Information Commissioner, how can you believe anything they say?

00:41:10.840 And whether it's the American FBI, the American IRS, the American CIA, the Department of Defense, the NSA, or any Canadian institution, let alone our health institutions, I think that there is a large crisis.

00:41:27.380 There is not a single institution I trust more now than I trusted two years ago, whether it's a cop or the College of Physicians and Surgeons.

00:41:35.920 There is no institution I trust more now than I did two years ago.

00:41:40.180 Maybe that's part of the plan, though, James.

00:41:43.360 You know, that's one of the things that I wonder and worry about is that the crumbling of trust in our institutions, because whether we like it or not, society actually is largely a product of its ability to trust its institutions and what its institutions are able to accomplish for it, at least in advanced society is.

00:42:04.620 And when you dissolve trust in those, you create conditions in which change is easy to bring about one way or another.

00:42:16.620 It's what Marxists would refer to as revolutionary conditions or revolutionary moment.

00:42:21.280 And that I share your destruction of trust in institutions.

00:42:26.480 I even would hesitate, say, that I were in a car accident or something and injured.

00:42:31.900 I would hesitate to go to the hospital for fear that they might attempt to vaccinate me against my wishes or, you know, something along these lines.

00:42:39.680 And that's a tremendous loss of trust in an institution.

00:42:43.000 And this kind of thing can be part of this.

00:42:49.540 This is I think I saw the phrase in the media recently.

00:42:52.840 This is an inflection point in history where things can be pushed in a particular direction or they can go in some other direction.

00:43:02.400 But things will not, I think, be able to continue as they were.

00:43:06.480 I do know some pathways.

00:43:07.940 So we don't end on such a dour note.

00:43:10.200 I do know some pathways to where trust institutions can be regained, though we have to be cautious.

00:43:14.860 We see the CDC in the United States, for example, attempting this by suddenly telling us all kinds of things that people have known to be true about the pandemic for a year and a half.

00:43:27.020 And now suddenly they realize it, too, now that the Omicron variant or some, you know, releases of information or exposés or whatever have forced their hand, decisions by federal judges or whatever have forced their hand.

00:43:39.200 All of a sudden, things that people have known to be true, they're overcounting cases, you know, died with covid versus died of covid distinction, for example.

00:43:49.540 They're releasing this information, a thorough housecleaning, though, of the people who have lied to us and misled us, meaning their removal from power, possibly their prosecution or lawsuits against them or the institutions that they represented is the first step.

00:44:04.480 And then replacing them with people that, you know, we have good reason to believe are of higher integrity while coming clean on many of these these lies.

00:44:13.280 In fact, ideally, all of these lies that they've been telling us is the first step to regaining that trust in institutions.

00:44:21.060 So it is possible.

00:44:22.620 I don't think that the people that are currently in power are going to be able to do that because it's too incriminating.

00:44:27.760 Just like we began this interview with the woman from the FBI who could not answer that question, who could not answer that question, who could not answer that question.

00:44:36.140 And so, like I said, I think the pathway is going to be a lot of honesty, a lot of transparency and a lot of housecleaning.

00:44:44.200 Hopefully this starts to take place sooner rather than later.

00:44:47.880 And, of course, hopefully it all proceeds peacefully and through legal means because this is a moment, a crucial moment in the literal sense of the word cross, crucial in history throughout the West, where either we are facing a trajectory reminiscent of the 1930s in Europe,

00:45:11.020 or we're facing a trajectory reminiscent of maybe the end of the 18th century in North America.

00:45:19.940 And I'm on the side of freedom in that fight, whichever way it goes.

00:45:25.660 You know, trust is so essential for the West.

00:45:31.380 There are some parts of the world where if you hear help, rape, men come and run to help the rape victim.

00:45:39.940 I think that's most of the West.

00:45:42.020 But there are some parts of the world.

00:45:44.640 There's a terrible story I once reported from Pakistan where a young boy, and I'm so sorry to say this adult content on the show, a young boy was being raped on a bus.

00:45:54.180 The bus driver pulled over and joined in.

00:45:56.860 And I'm sorry to say such a terrible thing, but that's a low trust society.

00:46:01.900 There's a concept in parts of the Muslim world called Tahrir.

00:46:05.600 That's what happened to Laura Logan when she was in Tahrir Square in Cairo.

00:46:11.560 Once the rape began, other men didn't pull them off. 0.96

00:46:16.320 They joined in.

00:46:17.420 I'm sorry to go so dark so quickly, but that is the definition of a low trust society where you can't trust anyone.

00:46:24.700 That's why you have to wrap women from head to toe. 1.00

00:46:27.160 And that's why they're not allowed out without a male guardian.

00:46:30.020 It's not merely because it's a punitive act.

00:46:34.380 It's actually a protective act in a zero trust society.

00:46:39.000 And, you know, there is.

00:46:41.980 If you understand where trust comes from, it comes over centuries.

00:46:46.280 One of the reasons I think that we live in a high trust society is because cousin marriage was banned in certain parts of Christendom.

00:46:53.840 So you had to naturally be open to and trust other clans, other communities.

00:46:59.160 You couldn't just keep everything within the extended family.

00:47:02.460 The old saying, me against my brother, me and my brother against my cousin, me brother, my cousin against the other family, me and my family against the town, me and my town against the other town.

00:47:11.300 That kind of clannishness broke down when you had to build up trust in the world. 0.99

00:47:16.600 We trust that when a young woman leaves a bar drunk at 1 a.m., that the taxi driver is not going to rape her on the way home. 0.99

00:47:24.980 But when people come from low trust societies to our high trust society, they look around and say, what a bunch of suckers. 0.99

00:47:32.120 It's for the taking. 0.98

00:47:33.600 And that's why there's a series of taxi rapes in the city of Halifax. 1.00

00:47:37.820 And I'm worried that those who remain high trust people are going to be the dupes. 0.99

00:47:45.360 They're going to be the fools. 0.97

00:47:46.700 You can be a high trust person and take mail-in voting very seriously. 1.00

00:47:52.200 But you're a sucker because the other side is not high trust. 0.96

00:47:55.340 They're taking advantage of your high trust. 1.00

00:47:57.400 You can be a sucker and say, well, I have ID and I'm voting and I would never vote twice. 0.95

00:48:03.240 Well, the other side doesn't share that point of view. 0.99

00:48:07.760 And so they're going to rig the elections.

00:48:09.680 And, you know, our friend Joel Pollack says the U.S. election wasn't stolen.

00:48:16.060 It was more rigged.

00:48:17.220 They changed the rules in advance.

00:48:18.860 It wasn't that the laws were broken.

00:48:20.700 It's that the laws were changed to allow it. 0.99

00:48:22.540 But I'm terrified that we're heading to a world where if you are a trusting person, you're just a sucker.

00:48:28.540 That would be a terrible loss because that trust, as you said, actually becomes the basis for so much freedom, so much opportunity, so much of what makes life good and worth living.

00:48:43.520 And it's really sad.

00:48:44.480 I actually just briefly do have a story corroborating exactly what you just said.

00:48:48.520 I was recently, fairly recently, in California, just before the gubernatorial recall election that happened last fall.

00:48:56.280 And somebody there, I was with a conservative and a Republican, and somebody had said, well, we received, you know, some peculiar number of ballots in the mail, four or whatever.

00:49:08.360 And, you know, somebody joked back, well, you should just vote with all of them.

00:49:12.420 And they said, well, of course, I wouldn't do that.

00:49:14.420 And that's exactly what you're talking about, is that, you know, the Republican side refused.

00:49:20.840 They said, no, you're supposed to vote once and only once, and that's the right thing to do. 0.82

00:49:24.300 And so that's the way it would be, whereas the other side, you know, sees four ballots and sees four opportunities, which should be, you know, illegal and should be preventable.

00:49:35.220 But this is exactly the kind of situation.

00:49:37.260 So people who want to have, I think this is an excellent way to frame going forward, is we need to be thinking in terms of how do we regain and regenerate trust in our high trust society?

00:49:48.820 And what steps do we have to take to be sure that low trust individuals cannot take advantage of high trust individuals and make them into naive dupes?

00:50:00.000 And I think that this is, again, we're at this crucial moment in our history throughout the West where we have to fight back for that high trust circumstance and to create the institutional house cleaning, et cetera, that enables it.

00:50:16.900 You know, I'm worried.

00:50:18.120 I mean, it's so funny.

00:50:19.680 I think of the word trust.

00:50:21.020 Justin Trudeau, when he announced his media bailout in Canada, $600 million, he said it's only for trustworthy media.

00:50:30.400 What does he mean?

00:50:31.820 He obviously doesn't mean media that the people trust.

00:50:33.980 He means media that he can trust will do the right thing.

00:50:37.860 And fact checkers, like, so there's deceptive uses of trust.

00:50:42.080 Fact checkers claim to be trustworthy, but they're actually anti-journalists or counter-journalists or, you know, their job is not to hold government and powerful people to account, but so many of the official fact-checking groups are fact-checking lowly dissenters.

00:51:00.740 They're not fact-checking Joe Biden or Justin Trudeau, let alone the president of Pfizer.

00:51:05.160 I have not seen a single fact-check from Reuters and AFP and Associated Press, all these major noisy, I'm a fact-checker groups, never seen them go after Pfizer or the CDC.

00:51:18.560 And the only credit I can give in that direction is they did go after Justice Sotomayor recently with her egregious claim.

00:51:25.960 But on the other hand, just to be completely fair, they also fact-checked the satire site, the Babylon Bee, not once, but many times.

00:51:33.240 And in particular, they one time fact-checked them for an article that they published saying, you couldn't be more obviously joking, that CNN purchases large washing machines in which they spin the news before they put it out.

00:51:46.900 They fact-checked that and said, no, they didn't purchase any large washing machines.

00:51:51.020 And so what you're saying, despite the fact that they did fact-check Sotomayor for this egregious claim that 100,000 children or whatever the number was, are on ventilators, which is false, strictly false.

00:52:07.640 Despite the fact that they fact-checked her correctly there, they're acting largely exactly as you say.

00:52:15.420 And in the U.S., I constantly hear trusted sources or reputable sources, which is unfortunate if that is a captured definition.

00:52:22.920 You know, reputable to whom and to whose benefit, as the critical theorists would instruct us in their kind of paranoid way that you have to look at society.

00:52:34.980 And so I hate that they are making this kind of critical, low-trust, even postmodern view of society true, but that's because they've weaponized it against us.

00:52:47.940 And we have to take them out of these positions of power and get back to a society where we can trust our institutions.

00:52:56.760 And that's going to require, I think, nothing short of getting the people who are abusing these powers out of office, out of positions where their hands are on the levers of power, whether that's in government, whether that's in media, whether that's in business.

00:53:09.780 And I think it's going to be a necessary and ugly step.

00:53:13.920 You know, I think you're right.

00:53:14.580 I think it's possible in the United States, you see countervailing politicians who would step in and take the place.

00:53:20.540 You see the examples of Republican governors in Florida and Texas and South Dakota.

00:53:27.020 There is a B team or a government in waiting.

00:53:31.160 The problem with Canada is there is no other team.

00:53:35.960 Everyone's in league on it.

00:53:37.800 The five main political parties that were at the leaders debate, they kept the sixth party out that in the government run debates.

00:53:48.760 But the five parties who were there had a they recorded like a joint statement about vaccines together.

00:53:55.480 Like it really is, you know, in Japan, I think it was called a karitsu.

00:54:00.380 It's a I think it has the trappings of a liberal democracy here.

00:54:05.120 But really, the in every institution, there is no there is no opposition in any institution in Canada.

00:54:12.820 So if you threw the bums out, who would you replace them with? 1.00

00:54:15.580 I know who you could theoretically replace Biden with.

00:54:18.120 Ron DeSantis would be my favorite pick.

00:54:19.800 Like there is another team, another point of view.

00:54:22.420 There is Fox News and Breitbart.

00:54:25.140 And there are some skeptics there.

00:54:27.540 There are some skeptical doctors, McCullough, Malone, whatever, but not in this country.

00:54:34.480 And that's that makes me deeply sad.

00:54:38.280 And, you know, I think what happened.

00:54:41.340 Two hundred some years ago is Americans who had that free spirit rebelled against Britain,

00:54:47.500 but the more submissive ones who preferred to be governed by the king, they came north to Ontario.

00:54:54.560 They were called United Empire Loyalists.

00:54:56.520 And I think every country has a bit of a character.

00:55:00.340 And I think the character of the people who really populated Ontario were a little more passive,

00:55:06.200 a little more agreeable, a little bit more obedient, a little bit more compliant.

00:55:09.940 Canada didn't have a revolution to be born.

00:55:12.320 And I think that Canadian character, which is so nice, you know, person to person, no one's rude.

00:55:16.920 Everyone says, please.

00:55:18.400 Everyone says, sorry, sorry, sorry.

00:55:20.600 That's really nice when you're living a private life.

00:55:23.900 And, you know, it's a social lubricant that makes it very pleasant.

00:55:27.560 But when a crisis comes, it means Canadians are too trusting of tricksters and too obedient

00:55:35.500 and too compliant and sometimes too complicit.

00:55:39.060 And, you know, I love Canada and I don't want to leave.

00:55:41.820 I feel like I have to stay and fight to the end.

00:55:45.120 But there are so few who have within them a natural dissonance.

00:55:51.080 And it's amazing that so many of our terrible stories here are only reported in the American

00:55:55.000 press, that they're just not even reported up here.

00:55:58.520 Well, listen, we've taken up so much of your time.

00:56:00.320 I only expected to spend a short while with you.

00:56:02.440 And here we are.

00:56:03.380 I really appreciate you coming on and your point of view.

00:56:06.500 Why don't you leave us with your thoughts?

00:56:07.700 We've been very pessimistic, the two of us.

00:56:10.280 And I think that's part of the communist way.

00:56:13.880 Yuri Besbinov talked about demoralizing a society to dash their sense of right and wrong

00:56:20.600 and up and down.

00:56:21.680 And once they're demoralized, then they're ripe for revolution.

00:56:26.480 As he said, why don't you try your best to leave us on a positive note?

00:56:30.180 Is there something out there that you've observed in, I don't know, in the short time we've been

00:56:37.200 in 2022 that makes you think maybe we'll get through this okay?

00:56:41.860 Yes, actually.

00:56:43.140 I have transitioned from the middle of last year being what I described as hopefully pessimistic

00:56:49.740 about our prospects to being cautiously optimistic.

00:56:54.660 And I'm losing some of that caution.

00:56:56.980 I'm becoming more optimistic as I watch kind of the broad narrative crumble.

00:57:02.100 And I do think it's crumbling.

00:57:03.400 I don't think that they're merely shifting to another phase.

00:57:05.740 There's so much damage control happening right now, especially around the pandemic narrative.

00:57:10.480 There's so many people that have risen up, at least in the United States.

00:57:15.020 And, you know, you guys up north follow us to some degree.

00:57:19.220 So if we get this right, then we set the standard for the rest of the West and many will follow.

00:57:24.560 But they're rising up against critical race theory.

00:57:27.940 They're rising up against the abuses in our schools.

00:57:29.860 Parents are mobilizing.

00:57:31.160 Parents are a tremendous force because you'll bear any indignity for your children when you

00:57:36.480 realize that your children are a threat.

00:57:38.620 And so there are lots of reasons for optimism.

00:57:40.640 But more than anything, what I think the reason for optimism is exactly the way we're

00:57:45.000 communicating right now, which is the Internet.

00:57:46.680 And I think that we are actually at the beginning of the second Enlightenment, where maybe a decade

00:57:53.600 or two decades into this new Enlightenment phase, just like happened, you know, three,

00:57:58.440 four hundred years ago.

00:57:59.980 And the problem for the regime is that the truth is like a flame.

00:58:04.920 It's a it's a it's a bright, bright fire.

00:58:07.980 And it will burn away anything that tries to contain it.

00:58:11.980 Eventually, the question is a matter of scales.

00:58:14.260 The Soviet Union lasted sixty nine years.

00:58:16.640 That's a long time of things being quite terrible.

00:58:19.980 But the truth will burn its way out.

00:58:21.820 And with the Internet, it's so easy for a fire to leap from one area to another, to another,

00:58:26.560 to another so quickly.

00:58:27.860 It's not to say that this is guaranteed.

00:58:30.020 People have to get get, you know, as they say, based so that they are able to stand in

00:58:36.580 themselves and have principles and to get the courage to take action.

00:58:41.420 But I don't think they can contain the truth.

00:58:43.640 I think these these crimes against humanity and against our fellow man are going to be

00:58:49.480 continually exposed.

00:58:51.020 I think the true nature of these ideologies, whether that's the critical theories or whatever,

00:58:56.220 is going to continue to be exposed.

00:58:58.100 And I think that the spirit of the people, which maybe is more docile and agreeable in

00:59:04.180 Canada than it is here in the United States.

00:59:05.960 But I think that the spirit of the people is going to be awakened by the one thing that

00:59:09.880 awakens the human spirit more than any other thing, which is the truth.

00:59:14.220 The truth always awakens the human spirit.

00:59:16.660 And I think it's coming.

00:59:17.660 And I think, in fact, it's not just coming.

00:59:19.160 It's unstoppable.

00:59:19.840 And what we're actually watching this bid at tyranny is the regime's last great gasp to

00:59:28.140 try to control the free information flow that's about to come before they lose grasp on the

00:59:35.380 control they used to have.

00:59:36.360 They want to take us back to a feudalist era when they had more total control over things

00:59:41.460 before they lose their grip, because they're going to be exposed as frauds, as charlatans,

00:59:46.820 and as criminals in many cases.

00:59:48.680 And it's coming.

00:59:49.720 And I don't think they can stop it.

00:59:52.760 Well, I could try and rebut that and be pessimist and try and give you reasons for

00:59:57.940 despair, but I won't do that because I much prefer your reasons for hope.

01:00:04.420 And I'm glad you feel that way.

01:00:06.560 You obviously do.

01:00:07.620 And you've got your eyes open.

01:00:09.460 And you've certainly looked at evil in its eye.

01:00:14.600 And I encourage people to follow you on Twitter.

01:00:18.580 We'll have your Twitter account underneath the video here.

01:00:23.580 I really appreciate all the time you've given us.

01:00:25.540 We've been talking with James Lindsay from Tennessee of the New Discourses website.

01:00:30.260 Good to talk to you.

01:00:30.980 I hope to catch up with you before too long.

01:00:33.500 Thanks for being with us today.

01:00:35.360 I'd love it.

01:00:35.900 Thanks.

01:00:36.520 All right.

01:00:36.880 There you have it, James Lindsay.

01:00:37.940 Stay with us.

01:00:38.500 More ahead, including that video I mentioned about Sheila and George Soros.

01:00:50.980 Well, what do you think of that?

01:00:52.500 I did not plan to talk to him for that long, but I enjoyed the conversation.

01:00:56.060 I think I talked a little too much, which is what I usually do in interviews.

01:00:59.360 But he's a smart guy.

01:01:00.680 I didn't know all of his philosophical and historical references.

01:01:03.600 He's clearly thought about things very deeply.

01:01:06.580 I'm so glad he ended on the positive note he did.

01:01:09.860 I'm pessimistic, maybe because I feel like I'm behind enemy lines sometimes.

01:01:14.660 We don't have that culture of resilient freedom in Canada that they do in the States.

01:01:18.720 I'm not kidding or I'm not glossing over things when I say every party in Canada, except for the People's Party of Canada federally, which has no seeds and which is in single digits in the polls.

01:01:30.480 Everyone's on the other side of this.

01:01:31.900 So I feel a little less hopeful up here, but you have to keep hope alive.

01:01:37.460 Let me read some of your letters.

01:01:39.420 Stephen Yule says,

01:01:41.340 You say a lot of things here.

01:02:03.900 The first is the incredible rule that truckers now have to be vaccinated.

01:02:07.980 Other than a lighthouse keeper, is there any more reclusive or solo job than being a trucker?

01:02:17.880 You're in your little cab driving your truck all the time.

01:02:21.700 And a lot of trucks, truckers sleep and they have a little sleeper there.

01:02:25.900 And if they sleep in a motel, they don't have a lot of interaction.

01:02:28.980 Like the idea of forcing truckers to be vaxxed is so there's no science behind it.

01:02:35.160 There's no science behind it.

01:02:36.420 And, you know, you think inflation is bad now?

01:02:39.180 You think empty shelves are bad now?

01:02:41.120 You think supply chain issues are bad now?

01:02:44.440 Imagine tens of thousands of trucks just not driving.

01:02:49.500 I think that's incredible.

01:02:50.900 But that's where we are.

01:02:52.900 That's public policy.

01:02:54.560 And you're right about this thing to force Quebecers to get jabbed.

01:03:00.380 So much of public policy over the last year and a half has been announcing outrageous and tyrannical ideas by way of press conference, but not actually putting the meat on the bones in terms of orders or laws.

01:03:12.500 There's two reasons for that.

01:03:13.560 First of all, three reasons.

01:03:15.780 One is the main reason is to scare people, scare people into doing things.

01:03:19.760 The second reason is they don't know how to implement this.

01:03:22.420 And then the third reason is, is it would probably be illegal.

01:03:26.060 And as soon as they passed the law, it would be subject to legal challenge.

01:03:28.900 So you have the worst policymaking in Canadian history. 0.99

01:03:32.360 Chuck Andrews says, should taxing the stupid be limited to only the unvaxxed? 1.00

01:03:37.440 My wife had to wait for hours to be treated because the ambulance brought in some idiots who propelled themselves down Mount Sutton on a pair of wooden slates and broke their legs. 1.00

01:03:47.320 Or can we treat everyone the same? 0.99

01:03:49.180 Well, listen, I mean, we can have private insurance for everyone.

01:03:53.900 And maybe some would charge smokers more and some would charge fat people more.

01:03:58.340 And some would charge you more if you left the house.

01:04:01.520 And if you, you know, were a young man, more likely to get into a fight.

01:04:04.860 If you ever been into a bar, more likely to get into a fight.

01:04:07.200 Or if you were downhill skiing, more likely to break your ankle.

01:04:10.040 If you drank.

01:04:11.100 I mean, there's so many different risk factors.

01:04:14.180 I thought universal health care meant universal health care is that you didn't have a risk rating.

01:04:19.900 You were all in it together.

01:04:21.160 I mean, we got to choose because if that's the case, I would like to apportion my health care money a little bit differently.

01:04:28.180 I don't want to pay for a lot of the goofy things that our Medicare system does.

01:04:32.980 For example, transgender surgery.

01:04:35.100 I just don't believe that that's a health care issue.

01:04:38.580 That may be a personal choice.

01:04:40.600 There's a lot of things I would do if I didn't have to belong to a one-size-fits-all Medicare system.

01:04:46.320 It's just sort of weird that this is the one thing that they're fighting over. 0.59

01:04:49.760 Paul McCullough says, did we need more examples of why public health care sucks?

01:04:55.200 The lesson here, government needs to get out of our lives. 0.98

01:04:59.440 Well, and to the earlier letter writer, it may not be stupid not to take the vaccine. 0.92

01:05:04.540 Let's say you've had the disease naturally and have a natural immunity.

01:05:08.020 It would be really weird to take the vaccine once you're immune, I think, especially since we know that the vaccine doesn't stop breakthrough infections.

01:05:15.840 So there may be a lot of good reasons not to do that.

01:05:20.680 I don't know.

01:05:21.360 I just think, as I said to James Lindsay, this has destroyed my trust in so many institutions, including, frankly, doctors.

01:05:28.700 I mean, I've said it before.

01:05:30.140 For the first 90% of my life, I was slavishly pro-police.

01:05:34.040 I can't say that anymore.

01:05:35.000 I think the only people I held in higher esteem were doctors.

01:05:39.080 But how can I trust doctors about anything other than their very narrow specialty?

01:05:44.300 Because I'm just not interested in them being Simon Says repeaters of what Teresa Tam or Anthony Fauci have to say.

01:05:50.840 Every institution has been rocked, not by the virus, but by the lockdowns and lockdownism.

01:05:57.160 That's our show for today.

01:05:58.600 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.

01:06:02.580 Keep fighting for freedom.

01:06:03.980 And let me leave you finally with this video, I promise, the video of the day.

01:06:07.620 Sheila talking about the Information Commissioner ruling that the Liberals lied about George Soros and his immigration contract.

01:06:15.540 I'll leave you with that.

01:06:16.280 Goodbye.

01:06:17.000 We've just had to spend three years fighting the Immigration Ministry for documents that they claimed didn't exist.

01:06:22.580 Our first request was filed November 26, 2018.

01:06:26.200 And since January 2019, they've been telling us they've got no records.

01:06:29.920 Three years later, the government has had to admit they were lying, confirmed to us in writing by the Information Commissioner.

01:06:36.900 The Liberals can no longer hide their dealings with George Soros and his Open Society Foundation.

01:06:46.480 In September 2016, the Trudeau government partnered with George Soros' Open Society Foundation to increase the number of refugees entering Canada.

01:06:55.560 Now, what exactly was that agreement?

01:06:57.160 I'm a Canadian, I want to know, I think you want to know too.

01:07:00.860 And we are legally entitled to know this stuff through access to information.

01:07:05.480 To find out more details on the agreement, we sent a simple letter to the Immigration Department under access to information law.

01:07:13.160 We did this way back in 2018.

01:07:14.640 And we do this sort of work through crowdfunding to a special website, rebelinvestigates.com.

01:07:19.860 Now, here's what we asked.

01:07:21.240 It was simple regarding the agreement between the government of Canada, the United Nations, HCR, and the Open Society Foundation to launch a joint initiative aimed at increasing private sponsorship of refugees around the world.

01:07:33.860 As announced at the below link, please provide copies of all background and supporting policy documents, include copies of any agreements involved, provide only final or latest versions of documents.

01:07:45.620 And they wrote back to us, following a thorough search of our information holdings.

01:07:50.320 I regret to inform you that no records were found that respond to your request.

01:07:55.840 This is impossible.

01:07:57.500 The government can't do anything without a dozen or so bureaucrats being involved. 1.00

01:08:01.940 And that's not even close to an exaggeration.

01:08:04.180 I know because I see these documents all the time.

01:08:06.940 I see the email chains, the endless email chains with hundreds of bureaucrats.

01:08:11.900 For example, that's how about two dozen bureaucrats were involved in the planning of Catherine McKenna's constantly embarrassing tweets when she was our ridiculous climate change minister. 0.99

01:08:23.520 They were all in the email chain.

01:08:25.460 But there's not a word on paper this time.

01:08:27.360 Not a chance in hell.

01:08:29.100 We knew they were lying.

01:08:31.140 How does a major international immigration announcement prompt zero emails?

01:08:37.240 Not even for the planning of the press release itself.

01:08:40.020 So we went to work appealing this refusal.

01:08:43.940 The government, however, doesn't call it a refusal.

01:08:46.060 They say there's just nothing to give, which is 100% not true.

01:08:49.840 The access to information law is clear.

01:08:51.540 If there are relevant records, I have the right to be told that.

01:08:55.100 And unless there is a special exemption such as national security, we all have a right to see them.

01:09:01.060 Immigration did not invoke any such exemption.

01:09:03.940 They just claimed there's nothing there.

01:09:05.840 And we now have proof that they were lying.

01:09:08.940 Here's the letter.

01:09:10.020 I got from the information commissioner.

01:09:13.240 Now, this is bigger news than just an ATIP being hidden.

01:09:16.300 The government was actively hiding their collaboration with George Soros.

01:09:20.280 And they were calling anyone who asked about it a conspiracy theorist or an anti-Semite.

01:09:25.440 If we didn't pursue and push and fight, nothing would have ever come out.

01:09:29.960 And whatever information there is to know about George Soros' Open Society Foundation and the Canadian government's dealings with that left-wing mega charity would remain hidden from the people who have to live with the consequences of those dealings.

01:09:44.080 I have one document.

01:09:46.080 I have one document and I'm going through it now.

01:09:48.860 Information commissioner's final report.

01:09:51.460 The complaint alleged that Immigration Refugees and Citizenship Canada did not conduct a reasonable search in response to an access request under the Access to Information Act regarding the agreement between the Government of Canada,

01:10:06.480 the UNHCR, and the UNHCR, and the Open Society Foundation to launch a joint initiative to increase private sponsorship of refugees.

01:10:15.620 Investigation.

01:10:18.020 The IRCC was required to conduct a reasonable search for records that fall within the scope of the access request.

01:10:25.700 That is, one or more experienced employees knowledgeable in the subject matter of the request must have made reasonable efforts to identify and locate all records reasonably related to the request.

01:10:39.880 A reasonable search involves a level of effort that would be expected of any fair, sensible person tasked with searching for responsive records where they are likely to be stored.

01:10:54.040 This search does not have to be perfect.

01:10:57.020 An institution is therefore not required to prove with absolute certainty that further records do not exist.

01:11:03.880 Institutions must, however, be able to show that they took reasonable steps to identify and locate responsive records.

01:11:12.440 What they're saying here is the bar is actually pretty low.

01:11:15.660 They don't have to be perfect, but they have to be able to demonstrate that they kind of tried.

01:11:22.200 Let's keep reading.

01:11:23.100 Did the institution conduct a reasonable search for records?

01:11:27.760 This is so much larger than just one access to information being hidden from us.

01:11:57.140 We know now the government was actively hiding their collaboration with George Soros and calling anyone who asked about it a conspiracy theorist or an anti-Semite.

01:12:06.920 If we didn't pursue and push and fight, nothing would have ever come out.

01:12:12.480 And whatever information there is to know about George Soros' Open Society Foundation and the Canadian government's dealings with that left-wing megacharity would remain hidden from the people who have to live with the consequences of those dealings.

01:12:26.880 That's us, Canadians.

01:12:28.260 Now, we have one document. 0.76

01:12:30.200 I'm going through it right now, and we aren't even close to done with these liars.

01:12:34.260 We've also sent in a new access to information about the frenzied communications that surely went back and forth as bureaucrats plotted to break access to information laws and lie to Canadians for the sake of protecting a powerful left-wing foreign billionaire who is very, very friendly with the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister, Chrystia Freeland.

01:12:56.140 Now, we can't do this work without your help.

01:12:58.840 We're fighting an army of obviously lying bureaucrats for information they're legally obligated to release to us. 0.99

01:13:05.080 We have been working and filing and appealing this one for three years without a penny in bailouts.

01:13:11.280 We rely on the support of our viewers at home to ask questions.

01:13:14.560 The mainstream media is paid by Trudeau to never ask, but to also smear the askers for the crime of being intellectually curious.

01:13:23.480 To help fund our research and access to information investigations, please visit rebelinvestigates.com and donate today.

01:13:31.740 And please be sure to subscribe to rebelnews.com because I am going through this Soros information package now, and you don't want to miss that story.

01:13:41.320 For Rebel News, I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed.

01:13:43.200 For Rebel News, I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed.

Rebel News Podcast - January 13, 2022

EZRA LEVANT ｜ INTERVIEW： Dr. James Lindsay

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