Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Is World War III inevitable after the Munich Security Conference？

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00:00:44.000 Tonight, Ukraine's president says we're headed to World War III. Is he right? Are we doing anything about it?

00:00:49.880 It's February 21st, and this is The Ezra Levant Show.

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00:01:00.000 I really had never heard of it before. It's a security conference, a military conference. There's one in Halifax, Canada.

00:01:15.640 Every year, there's one in Herzliya, Israel. And there was a big one this past week in Munich called the Munich Security Conference.

00:01:25.740 And it just started popping up on my social media because they're really advertising this military get-together.

00:01:30.420 Here's a video produced in conjunction with the conference promoting their war meeting. Take a look.

00:01:39.620 Usually, there are demonstrations against weapons during the MSC.

00:01:43.860 But this year, for the first time, there's a demonstration of pro-weapons.

00:01:53.960 Waffen für die Ukraine! Stop, denn jeder zieht! 0.99

00:01:57.860 Waffen für die Ukraine!

00:01:59.500 Waffen für die Ukraine!

00:02:01.500 Waffen für die Ukraine!

00:02:02.500 According to Infratest DIMAP, a German research institute, 15% of the Germans are calling for war weapons for Ukraine.

00:02:10.300 Without weapons, we can't win. And unfortunately, not all people understand that.

00:02:15.100 But if we don't get weapons, we'll just die like a people. 1.00

00:02:19.140 We need all the weapons that our allies can provide us with.

00:02:23.940 We not ask people of Germany fight for us, but we need the tools.

00:02:29.740 35% think the German support of Ukraine with weapons goes too far.

00:02:34.940 The anti-Ziko demo met for the first time 2002 to protest against war and weapons.

00:02:40.940 From my perspective, the weapons are not a solution.

00:02:43.740 The weapons reduce the problems, bring gigantic destroyings.

00:02:48.540 I understand from the standpoint that they are on our support.

00:02:52.540 But a war on the one side will be delivered more weapons and the other side will be delivered more on the other.

00:02:57.940 That's a hell of a war.

00:02:59.940 Russia's war changed a lot. Also, the demonstrations around the MSC.

00:03:04.940 Did you get that? Even the protesters this year are pro-war.

00:03:08.540 Normally, the protesters at these war meetings are anti-war, but they're pro-war, I guess.

00:03:16.340 And what's so exciting about this gathering of, well, they're not really soldiers, are they?

00:03:21.940 They're more politicians and business people than actual soldiers.

00:03:26.540 But they're promoting the fact that it's women's time to shine when it comes to war. 1.00

00:03:32.340 Take a look at this.

00:03:34.140 If you just start typing in Munich Security Conference into your social media, you'll get endless pictures of how the boss girls are totally in charge now that we're on the brink of World War Three. 1.00

00:03:46.940 That's Kaya Callas from Estonia.

00:03:49.940 And, of course, Sanna Marin is the new Prime Minister of Finland.

00:03:53.740 She's, as you know, a bit of a party girl. 1.00

00:03:56.740 Got in trouble, but just a little bit of trouble for going out dancing and having fun and doing girl stuff, you know.

00:04:02.740 Now, I'm not sure who is sponsoring what, but the more I read about it and looked at all the photos and who was there and who was sponsoring it, it felt like it was kind of a military industrial complex version of the World Economic Forum.

00:04:18.540 World Economic Forum, as you can see, is about money.

00:04:21.540 But the Munich Security Conference is about war and Munich was where all the action was at this year.

00:04:29.340 In fact, both father and son George Soros and his son Alex Soros were there.

00:04:36.340 Here's Alex Soros tweeting.

00:04:38.340 When the GOAT, the greatest of all time, speaks, things happen.

00:04:42.740 Annual Davos speech moves from Davos to Munich this year as we kick off the Munich Security Conference.

00:04:49.140 Oh, I didn't know you could just sort of buy your way into those things.

00:04:53.140 I thought maybe you had to be a defense minister.

00:04:55.140 Just look through his Twitter feed.

00:04:57.140 It's actually quite incredible.

00:04:59.140 Honored to kick off our annual Open Society Dinner at the Munich Security Conference.

00:05:05.140 It's war in Ukraine one year on, public opinion in the West beyond.

00:05:08.940 Thanks to Speaker Pelosi and the heads of state, government and policymakers that attended.

00:05:14.540 So he's basically collecting politicians, not just Democrats, though, Republicans, too.

00:05:20.940 Take a look at this one here at Cindy McCain.

00:05:24.940 You may remember her late husband, John McCain.

00:05:27.940 Just scroll through Alex Soros's Twitter feed.

00:05:30.740 It's obvious there is money to be made in war.

00:05:32.940 That's why George Soros is there.

00:05:34.940 I mean, there's money made made on the war side, selling equipment to destroy a country.

00:05:39.740 And then there's selling the reconstruction of that country.

00:05:42.140 You can get paid both ways.

00:05:45.140 George Soros knows something about this.

00:05:47.540 He's been doing this sort of thing since as a teenager.

00:05:50.540 He helped round up Jews for Hitler in his native Hungary.

00:05:54.340 Do you remember this interview with Steve Croft of 60 Minutes?

00:05:58.540 Hungarian Jew who escaped the Holocaust by posing as a Christian.

00:06:05.740 Right.

00:06:06.340 And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.

00:06:13.740 Right.

00:06:14.340 I was 14 years old.

00:06:16.540 And I would say that that's when my character was made.

00:06:19.540 In what way?

00:06:20.540 That one should think ahead.

00:06:21.540 One should understand and anticipate events.

00:06:25.540 And one is threatened.

00:06:30.340 It was a tremendous threat of evil.

00:06:32.740 I mean, it was a very personal experience of evil.

00:06:35.740 My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

00:06:43.940 Yes.

00:06:44.940 Yes.

00:06:45.940 Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews. 0.99

00:06:48.940 That's right.

00:06:49.940 Yes.

00:06:50.940 I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years.

00:07:01.140 Was it difficult?

00:07:03.140 Not at all.

00:07:06.140 Not at all.

00:07:07.140 Maybe as a child you don't see the connection, but it created no problem at all.

00:07:17.140 No feeling of guilt?

00:07:18.140 No.

00:07:19.140 For example, that I'm Jewish and here I am watching these people go, I could just as easily be there.

00:07:26.340 I should be there.

00:07:27.340 None of that.

00:07:28.340 Well, of course, I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away.

00:07:38.340 But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there because that was...

00:07:48.340 Well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets, that if I weren't there, of course I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would be taking it away anyhow.

00:08:05.540 Whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away.

00:08:11.740 So, I had no role in taking away that property.

00:08:15.740 So, I had no sense of...

00:08:17.940 Yeah, he's sort of still at it.

00:08:21.940 You know, a lot of folks are sort of stoked.

00:08:23.940 Here's some news about all the ammunition that is needed.

00:08:31.140 They're not using it all for the first time.

00:08:33.340 They've had such a major war.

00:08:35.340 Here's Jan Stoltenberg of NATO talking about how they're actually using ammunition faster than factories can make it.

00:08:44.340 A race to increase the capacity of the defense industrial base.

00:08:47.540 Doug Bush is the Army's head of acquisitions.

00:08:50.540 Right now, we're meeting demand.

00:08:52.540 Of course, I would want it to be faster.

00:08:55.540 Everyone does.

00:08:57.540 But there's a time factor.

00:08:59.040 A year to 18 months is often what you're looking at.

00:09:01.540 Bush says this is the greatest ramp up in military production, possibly going back to the Korean War.

00:09:08.040 Early on, we realized we had to really put our foot all the way to the floor.

00:09:11.840 The U.S. isn't at war with Russia, but that matters little to weapons manufacturers whose products are part of the fight.

00:09:18.740 Our defense industrial base is still largely geared towards a peacetime environment

00:09:25.240 and not towards a wartime or at least a quasi wartime environment that we're now in.

00:09:31.240 What I said was that the current rate of ammunition consumption is higher, bigger than the current rate of production.

00:09:39.240 That's a factual thing.

00:09:41.240 But since we have been aware of that for some time, we have started to do something.

00:09:45.940 We're not just sitting there idle and watching this happening.

00:09:49.940 So that's the reason why we over several months have worked hard at NATO and also within the Rammstein format to ramp up production.

00:09:58.240 That's the reason why we launched this out-of-circle extraordinary review of our stockpiles.

00:10:04.240 Wow, you've got the attention of George Soros. He's an investor.

00:10:08.240 He can see supply and demand. Everyone is so psyched up.

00:10:12.240 And did you know that this Munich Security Conference has an official page called Partners and Sponsors?

00:10:20.240 And if you look through it, as I have, you'll see there's plenty of weapons manufacturers, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, other arms manufacturers.

00:10:28.240 You can see George Soros' open societies there. Bill Gates is there.

00:10:33.240 Google, Goldman Sachs, of course. McKinsey, of course. The Rockefeller Brothers.

00:10:39.240 Listen, folks, there is money to be made in war.

00:10:43.240 Of course, the star of the whole thing. Well, I'm not sure about the star.

00:10:47.240 But the mascot, at least, is Joe Biden, who arrived on time coordinating things, perhaps, in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine.

00:10:56.240 Now, take a look at this video here. Take a look.

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00:11:13.240 einem

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00:11:24.000 now there were sirens there an air raid siren the first in days but there was no air raid i

00:11:39.380 wonder i just wonder if that was just a little bit of theater for joe biden but joe biden wasn't

00:11:46.480 going to be the only one to get the spotlight rishi sunak the new prime minister of the uk even

00:11:51.680 though he's not faced an election yet he was in munich and he's so excited uh here's the headline

00:11:57.600 of this story munich conference rishi sunak says uk to provide ukraine with long-range weapons

00:12:03.840 calls for new nato charge um why would you need a long-range weapon to defend in ukraine ukraine is a

00:12:13.020 fair-sized country i call it middle size but a long-range weapon does that mean you're you're

00:12:20.380 going to attack russia itself you know russia's gun nuclear weapons right and is this about defending 0.86

00:12:27.720 ukraine's territorial integrity or is this about it's about going to war with russia

00:12:32.660 here's the russian foreign ministry that put out a tweet saying quoting president putin vladimir putin

00:12:39.940 who gave a speech uh in fact he's been giving a series of speeches this week putin said we know

00:12:44.980 that the west has been involved in the kiev regime's attempts to strike at our strategic air

00:12:49.860 bases the drones used for these purposes were fitted with the assistance of western specialists

00:12:55.500 and now they want to inspect our defense facilities it's another way of saying that russia is suspending

00:13:03.260 its participation in arms treaties uh but look at this story in the new york post quoting vladimir

00:13:11.640 zelensky talking to a german paper let me read the headline china backing russia in ukraine would

00:13:18.180 mean world war three zelensky let me quote uh zelensky himself this is in english if china allies

00:13:26.240 with russia there will be a world war there will be a world war and i do think that china is aware of 0.91

00:13:31.460 that he said all right well uh here's china's reaction it is the u.s not china that has been pouring

00:13:38.560 weapons into the battlefield in ukraine the u.s is in no position to tell china what to do

00:13:44.040 china will never accept u.s finger pointing or coercion on china-russia relations um what's

00:13:51.900 interesting about that chinese reaction is it was addressed to the united states not to vladimir

00:13:57.660 zelensky because i think the chinese have come to the analysis that zelensky is not the decider here

00:14:04.380 zelensky is the mascot he's the actor he literally was an actor and a comedian before

00:14:10.520 becoming president he's not the decider the decider is the money man who's poured in more than a hundred

00:14:18.720 billion dollars into ukraine who's overseeing that money who's managing that money whoever

00:14:23.780 is the answer to that question is the answer to who's making the decisions for ukraine and i don't

00:14:30.220 think it's vladimir zelensky i think it may be rishi sunak and joe biden and what has been called the

00:14:36.040 military industrial complex it may be jan stoltenberg i think that jan stoltenberg of nato and rishi sunak

00:14:42.120 and joe biden have more say over what happens in ukraine than zelensky does uh but look at this

00:14:47.540 breaking china's president xi jinping plans to visit moscow for a summit with russian president

00:14:54.780 vladimir putin in the spring seeking a more active role in shaping the outcome of the ukraine war

00:14:59.460 that was after zelensky's comment you know one of the most important things that happened during

00:15:06.060 the cold war was richard nixon breaking china away from the soviet union and trying to orient it towards

00:15:12.860 the west i don't know if you know that history richard nixon was known famously as an anti-communist

00:15:18.860 he was very hard line on the thing and yet he sent henry kissinger secretly to do shuttle diplomacy

00:15:26.700 back and forth to china to convince china to break with the soviet union and aim himself aim sorry not

00:15:34.920 himself aim that country towards the west because nixon knew that if china and the soviet union got

00:15:40.140 together that would be an enormous military and economic force i think that joe biden is sending

00:15:48.160 those mighty countries back together financially industrially in terms of high tech russia has been

00:15:57.400 selling its energy to china for a long time but now russia is importing from china automobiles

00:16:04.340 high-tech things like phones and computers there is more chinese money on in russian markets than ever

00:16:11.980 before to fill the void left by the west sanctions and as you know we sent our own reporter to russia a

00:16:18.880 few months ago doesn't feel like the western sanctions are having a pinch in russia in part

00:16:25.240 because russia is so strong because of his energy wealth but also in part because there are other

00:16:30.100 forces in the world willing to fill that void one question i have for you

00:16:35.280 is what's the end game here what's the plan what's the exit strategy well in in most wars isn't the exit

00:16:46.280 strategy to defeat the enemy when the west got involved when the allies got involved in the second

00:16:51.580 world war it wasn't to have a stalemate it was a total unconditional victory over the axes total surrender

00:16:59.980 nothing given to them no quarter given to them in fact to this day there are american military bases

00:17:07.180 in japan italy and germany the three axis powers to this day america has a military base in all three

00:17:15.880 of those countries total surrender that's normally the plan in a war in other cases it's just to reduce

00:17:24.400 a threat what is the end game with ukraine and russia if you listen to vladimir zelensky he talks

00:17:31.720 constantly about retaking crimea which has been annexed by russia years ago actually and there's even

00:17:38.380 talk about bringing the war to the russian main country as you saw there china sorry russia was 0.55

00:17:46.020 referring to drone attacks within russia and there's been the attacks on that key bridge in crimea and of

00:17:53.380 course the underwater attack on the nordstrom pipeline what is the end game what's the plan

00:17:59.720 and is the plan of total victory even possible against russia which has a large conventional army

00:18:07.880 but more to the point has more nuclear weapons than any other country in the world and even if we

00:18:16.040 think that perhaps they're rusted or not working or that the operators are drunk or that even

00:18:23.360 90 percent of russian nuclear weapons don't work or would fail in some way well that's still

00:18:30.120 dozens of nuclear weapons that could god forbid explode in the west what is the plan

00:18:36.000 that rishi sunak has for his long-range weapons what is the plan that zelensky or whoever is backing

00:18:42.000 has for world war three and what will they do if china and russia simply don't follow along look at

00:18:51.040 the jubilation at the munich security council look at the advertisers the the sponsors look at the

00:18:58.920 young women posing for the boss girl photos they're very excited about this war a war that will have 0.90

00:19:07.600 women and children as the victims but as men being the cannon fodder i don't know what the answer is i'm

00:19:14.760 not a peacenik i'm not pro-russian i'm not a leftist i'm certainly not a communist but what do you do when

00:19:22.720 every person in the west apparently is hungry for war either to make money or to act out some cold war

00:19:33.320 fantasy that never came true what do you do when the west is running to war who would speak against

00:19:41.500 it i saw this video online this weekend it's from a socialist named claire daly a member of the european

00:19:48.880 parliament from ireland she's a socialist i don't know if i have anything in common with her i don't

00:19:57.260 know if i trust her i don't know much about her but i listened to a couple of minutes of this speech

00:20:03.020 and i thought i can't disagree take a listen one year on as the war in ukraine continues when voices

00:20:13.760 everywhere should be calling for a ceasefire and peace this resolution is driving us in the opposite

00:20:20.260 direction so i proudly voted against it it peddles the latest slide that this is not now about

00:20:26.860 defending ukraine it's about ukraine must win what does that even mean last april there was a deal on

00:20:35.200 the table which would have seen russia withdraw in return for ukrainian non-nato membership but

00:20:41.120 ukraine's western friends killer clown boris johnson and nato rocked into town and told them to keep

00:20:48.780 fighting the result six cities devastated four provinces illegally annexed 108 billion euros in

00:20:59.100 aid which the people of ukraine are going to have to pay back over decades global food and energy crisis

00:21:05.980 is this winning ordinary people don't win in wars they're cannon fodder in the games of others and

00:21:14.040 ye can shout glory in here all you like but there's no glory in the grave and only graves come

00:21:21.000 out of this folly it's time for people and the silent majority all over europe to take to the

00:21:27.220 streets this weekend and demand peace and an end to the war yeah the problem with socialists like her

00:21:32.840 is they don't have sponsors or advertisers willing to fly them to the munich security conference now do

00:21:40.800 they stay with us for more hey let me read to you a uh a newspaper article actually it's from the

00:21:59.520 mcdonald laurier institute and uh you tell me was this written last week or last year writing

00:22:07.200 only in a country with fragile hysterical leadership could the trucker convoy

00:22:12.660 be regarded as an emergency justifying the infringement of liberties of civil liberties

00:22:18.100 and let me read you just a little bit more to help you with your guessing game

00:22:20.900 the headline itself is actually there was no emergency but don't expect the commission to

00:22:26.180 throw the government under the trucks bruce party for inside policy well i'll take you out of

00:22:31.520 your suspense that was written december 6th of 2022 but it nailed it i'm afraid to say bruce party called

00:22:39.480 it and of course last week the government's uh commission of inquiry judicial commission inquiry

00:22:45.480 whitewashed the government's handling of the whole affair and actually said that bringing in martial law

00:22:52.680 was justified after careful reflection i have concluded that the very high threshold required for

00:23:00.640 the invocation of the act was met in particular for reasons that i discuss in detail in the report

00:23:08.380 i've concluded that when the decision was made to invoke the act on february 14th 2022 cabinet had

00:23:16.620 reasonable grounds to believe that there existed a national emergency arising from threats to the security of

00:23:24.580 canada that necessitated the taking of special temporary measures

00:23:31.580 i do not come to this conclusion easily as i do not consider the factual basis for it to be overwhelming

00:23:42.580 reasonable and informed people could reach a different conclusion than the one i've arrived at

00:23:48.640 joining us now to talk about this and his prophetic column in the mcdonald laurier institute is

00:23:54.800 bruce party senior fellow at the mcdonald laurier institute who is also the executive director of

00:24:00.520 rights probe and a professor of law at queen's university bruce um i guess if you're pessimistic

00:24:07.380 and imagine the worst will come you're never disappointed your your feelings are never hurt

00:24:13.900 because you already accounted for the worst outcome i myself despite everything i'm a foolish optimist

00:24:21.780 and i had thought that this judge would say no it was just there just was not enough of a factual basis

00:24:30.340 for a national emergency that could only be resolved through the emergencies act because if i'm not mistaken

00:24:35.780 that's the two-fold test required to invoke the emergencies act is it a grave national crisis

00:24:42.820 on par with a revolution or a war and not or and can it only be resolved by invoking the emergencies act

00:24:52.100 as opposed to existing laws and i thought this judge seems fair enough the process seems fair enough

00:25:00.040 there's no way they will meet that high hurdle and yet here we are

00:25:05.080 right if you were going just by what you heard at the inquiry the evidence that the witnesses gave

00:25:14.880 that would be an entirely legitimate conclusion but this is not a court it was never a court it's supposed

00:25:22.740 to look like one but it's not and its job is not the job of a court its job is ritual if you like

00:25:33.940 the job is to show to go through a process that makes it look as though there is accountability

00:25:43.140 but that accountability is not delivered by the result it's delivered by the process

00:25:48.660 so its purpose is served by going through all the trouble of hearing witnesses and having hearings

00:25:56.020 and and so on because it gives the appearance of accountability but we have we've had lots of

00:26:02.980 inquiries and commissions in this country's history and and some of them lead to something but many of

00:26:07.780 them do not and that's because they're not that kind of a process this commission like like others

00:26:14.900 has the job of simply putting together a report it's not a binding report it can't find liability

00:26:21.780 the report may or may not be put on the shelf and ignored uh but but it is a mistake and was a mistake

00:26:29.060 from the beginning to think that this was going to be a court-like process there are applications

00:26:36.260 outstanding challenging the invocation of the act and those applications hopefully will be heard

00:26:42.260 in an actual courtroom and those courts will undergo judicial review of the decision to invoke the act

00:26:49.140 and hopefully they will do so in a rigorous way comparing the facts to the threshold in the act

00:26:55.060 and we'll and we'll find out legally whether or not the threshold was met but but that was first and

00:27:00.020 foremost not the mandate of the commission both both in in black and white but also in in reality

00:27:07.940 well i was fooled and maybe it was my hope maybe it was my romantic belief that part of our system

00:27:17.460 isn't broken that not every in fact there were some there were some police chiefs who testified not all

00:27:23.860 of them but most of them were and you even had the attorneys general of other provinces testifying

00:27:28.580 before this commission saying look we did not need this martial law we did not ask for it

00:27:34.100 um many of the blockades were resolved before it was invoked for example at the coots border crossing

00:27:40.580 or at the ambassador bridge between windsor and detroit and again time after time cop after cop said

00:27:48.980 we didn't need it sure it gave us extra tools but we were fine handling this on our own with some tow trucks

00:27:54.900 and you know i mean they cleared the ambassador bridge without incident in two days i um

00:28:00.500 um i'm just astonished and and i'm a little heartbroken and here's what i think

00:28:06.100 here's what i'm most worried about bruce is that people like me who actually who are laboring to still

00:28:13.860 believe in the system will become disenchanted i'm i still believe in the system uh i because i don't know

00:28:22.660 what i would do if i didn't believe in the system i don't know how i would handle that i i still believe

00:28:28.820 in non-violent solutions to problems i still believe that our system uh may get it wrong at

00:28:34.740 first but eventually gets it right i believe that the checks and balances you know the pendulum will

00:28:40.500 swing back i believe those things but it gets harder to believe those things this felt like an

00:28:44.900 inside job felt like a stitch up well well yes i mean i know it feels that way and and you may have an

00:28:51.140 argument there but but what i'm suggesting is that that's not really what it was designed for in the

00:28:57.540 first place so i'm i'm for example i'm not accusing this judge of of doing something he didn't believe

00:29:04.260 was true now you could disagree with that and i do i completely disagree with the conclusion

00:29:09.460 but that's not because necessarily the judge was biased in the way that we might say that

00:29:14.340 what i'm saying is this process as imagined in the act itself and as put in place by the government

00:29:21.060 was not one that would logically lead to the kind of outcome that a lot of people were hoping for and

00:29:26.820 as you say if you had taken the trouble to to watch the testimony over this over those weeks

00:29:33.460 there were some really interesting moments and some very good testimony including by some of the the

00:29:39.540 police officers and officials that that appeared i was i was quite impressed with some of them and they

00:29:44.660 made the point that you refer to and in particular they were some of them were very specific about the

00:29:52.100 fact that they in their opinion there was not the kind of violence that the government alleged that

00:29:58.900 there was that justified the implication of the act there was one opp officer in particular who said

00:30:07.220 that that that in the context of the ottawa uh convoy he said that that he found the lack of violence

00:30:15.220 shocking you know in that kind of situation he would have expected violence but but there

00:30:20.580 wasn't any and so in in that respect and in the testimony of so many others uh the justification

00:30:28.500 based upon the use or threats of serious violence which is one of the causes that the government itself

00:30:34.820 cites in his in its invocation of the act for my money the the evidence was simply not there there were

00:30:42.500 lots of references to violence but and one of the best i think was um the acting out of a police chief

00:30:51.540 steve bell who testified of violence experienced by the local community during the convoy

00:30:58.100 but brenda miller who was acting for the for the for the convoy cross-examined him and asked him well what

00:31:03.620 he meant what do you mean what do you mean by the violence felt by the local community and and

00:31:09.060 and uh the interim police chief said well i don't mean actual violence i don't mean violence as

00:31:13.780 defined in the criminal code i mean the violence that people felt from the culmination of actions

00:31:21.380 that the occupiers engaged in like honking horns

00:31:24.420 let's take a listen to that outrageous clip take a look

00:31:30.260 so is it fair to say that when you use the phrase violence you're not actually describing any

00:31:34.180 form of physical assaults are you i'm i'm well physical assaults do contribute to what i'm

00:31:40.500 describing i was specifically describing the violence that our community felt as a result of

00:31:46.420 the culmination of actions that the occupiers engaged in so the violence that they felt not actual violence

00:31:53.940 is that what you're saying that is correct not not the criminal code definition of violence but the

00:31:58.660 violence that they felt by having an incessant horns blared right and not having trucks run 24 7 a day

00:32:05.860 right by having people intimidate them and follow them and by having people rip masks off their head

00:32:11.700 by feeling sheltered in their homes well i i thank you i understand what you mean but

00:32:17.300 you're not talking about violence under section two of the cesus act are you no i'm not thanks

00:32:22.980 you know that's not a real cop that's a political activist wearing a badge

00:32:27.140 there was one government official that was sacked during this whole affair and that was

00:32:34.260 chief bell's predecessor chief slowly who if i'm not mistaken was the first black police chief in

00:32:40.100 ottawa which generally is regarded as a progressive milestone like president obama being the first

00:32:46.020 black president was something that a lot of people took a lot of pride and joy in

00:32:49.780 the city of ottawa celebrated when they had that milestone which they thought was a sign of

00:32:54.980 progress and inclusion chief slowly was not willing to take the hard line against hot tubs and bouncy

00:33:06.020 castles and horn honking that chief bell was uh it reminds me a little bit of jody wilson rabel the

00:33:12.260 first indigenous justice minister who refused to bend the knee to justin trudeau so he fired her

00:33:16.980 and replaced her with david lamente who would literally do anything chief slowly was fired because

00:33:24.100 he wouldn't do the in fact we saw testimony that parliament was interfering with this city police

00:33:29.540 chief and he was sacked and they put in chief bell who would literally do or say anything the only guy who

00:33:35.620 was fired for this whole thing was the only honest cop around i find that heartbreaking

00:33:44.820 yes well but there's well there's so much there was so much testimony

00:33:48.340 about what was going on behind the scenes it was it was very interesting uh but it

00:33:54.660 it gave the impression of a comedy of errors and and failure to coordinate and failure to

00:34:00.580 administrate and what you ended up with were a lot of big trucks parked in downtown ottawa that weren't

00:34:06.820 going anywhere and through the whole thing one one one of the inescapable facts basically was this

00:34:18.820 there was an illegal act going on that act was parking the trucks were illegally parked

00:34:27.140 and yet nobody saw fit to do anything about it or perhaps they weren't able but that was the pretty

00:34:35.780 much the extent of the illegality at one point a uh a private group of citizens brought an injunction to

00:34:43.060 the court to stop the trucks from honking and the court issued an injunction against the honking and the

00:34:50.020 truck stopped so at the time the emergency act was invoked the only illegal act that was actually

00:34:57.060 happening was illegal parking and if you put it that way you can see how absurd this is that we would

00:35:04.100 invoke a national emergencies act because somebody has illegally parked that was the bottom line and

00:35:10.100 the rest of it is simply sort of making stuff up about what might have happened if you know they didn't

00:35:17.060 take action that they should have been able to take without invoking the act in a sense one of the messages

00:35:23.460 that rouleau delivers maybe somewhat between the lines in his report is this emergency situation even if you want

00:35:31.540 to if you want to call it that occurred because of the failure of all these agencies together to act and

00:35:40.980 coordinate and to administer properly to do their job in other words if there was an emergency it was created by the

00:35:47.460 incompetence of those bodies and lo and behold if you create a situation of an emergency i'm not

00:35:55.940 i'm not accepting that it was one but if you accept that it was then that will serve now as a justification

00:36:02.500 for invoking this act trudeau's own incompetence his own inability to to govern i mean he chooses his

00:36:09.460 cabinet so obviously based on uh you know tv metrics who's you know women minorities uh he's about

00:36:19.380 everything other than substance and experience um i i i think that so much of the cabinet is actually

00:36:27.060 controlled by the pmo that when in this case you had to have a just a defense minister doing defense

00:36:33.380 things and a uh public safety minister doing public safety things they they you know in the case of

00:36:39.380 marco mendocino they i remember there was testimony that his own staff wasn't even briefing him on

00:36:46.420 because they they knew he wasn't actually the de facto public safety minister they they were there

00:36:52.180 were serious plans and and briefings being circulated and they knew why bother showing it to the cabinet

00:36:58.260 minister he's just a joke and but i i don't know i find it so frustrating and but what you're saying is

00:37:06.740 exactly right their own incompetence their own inability to do with a park deal with a parking crisis

00:37:11.060 turned it into a civil liberties bonfire but there was one moment there was one fascinating moment for

00:37:16.180 me in february right around the time that the act was being invoked just just just afterwards when mendocino

00:37:22.820 was doing a a scrum i believe or a press conference and he was asked by a reporter what what the reason

00:37:30.260 was they were invoking the act and you know did you know i think i believe the reporter said you know did

00:37:36.180 you did you do you have intelligence reports that there are weapons in the truck and mendocino said well

00:37:42.420 no no it's not that he said the cause is rhetoric of an ideological position

00:37:53.460 now i think in that moment he's probably telling the truth yeah that was actually the real cause of

00:38:01.140 the emergency and it was an emergency a political emergency for the government because what you had

00:38:07.460 was like coming together of people of all different kinds who were together in their resolve that government

00:38:14.020 policy was wrong and that represented an ideological or political emergency for the government now of course

00:38:21.780 that is not the kind of thing that the emergencies act is designed to respond to so what they had to

00:38:27.300 do instead is try and fit you know the the the the round peg into the square hole but just imagine the

00:38:34.660 implications um you've got an emergency act being invoked essentially on the basis of what people have

00:38:43.700 said in other words on the basis of their speech there's no violence there's no threat of violence

00:38:49.140 everything is fine except for the parking but it is the rhetoric the free speech of people

00:38:55.140 is essentially mendocino is suggesting the cause that constitutes the emergency you know there was

00:39:02.420 also testimony that of course trudeau was embarrassed abroad the diplomats were remarking on how this was

00:39:09.780 being covered around the world and we know that this was one of the first times that canada

00:39:13.860 had the riveted attention of the world um sure right right and christian friedman uh testified about

00:39:23.220 receiving you know a note from her american counterpart at one point worrying that canada

00:39:27.620 sort of looked like a banana republic there was no question the government was embarrassed no question

00:39:33.380 but again the the trick was in in translating that embarrassment into what would constitute a national

00:39:41.220 emergency under the act and and of course based upon the evidence that i heard and i didn't hear

00:39:45.460 every single minute of the testimony during those weeks but i heard a lot of it

00:39:49.300 and i heard nothing that would in my mind have justified invoking the act yeah

00:39:56.900 here's what i think is going to happen i think

00:40:01.140 i meet a lot of people uh in person and i meet even more people through emails and online social media

00:40:06.420 and i meet a lot of people who are acting in good faith who want to do the right thing want to be

00:40:13.060 good citizens and do what's right that they believe their whole life was right but they no longer

00:40:19.780 see a country that makes sense to them and so i see the growth of alternative

00:40:26.420 world views alternative explanations for things i see people reaching out for obscure

00:40:33.700 legal theories yes like yes yes that they don't actually have a bait like there's just even this

00:40:38.660 there's this lady i've forgotten her name she's a filipino-canadian lady um who calls herself uh the 1.00

00:40:44.180 queen i've just forgotten her name right now who's saying i know i i i've heard of this yeah i'm the true

00:40:50.260 queen of canada i have the legal authority and and like there's all sorts of uh i would call them bizarre

00:40:57.860 um alternative conspiratorial i i don't want to use that word a lot because that's a word that

00:41:04.260 liberals used to denounce anything that that right that they don't like but i see yeah i see good

00:41:11.460 people giving up on the courts giving up on the police giving up on political parties giving up on

00:41:16.980 every single establishment system that has proven them wrong giving up on doctors who they once trusted

00:41:22.660 above all else giving up on the courts who they thought well at least they've got my back when it

00:41:26.820 comes to civil liberties i i see the the worst that you're right this judge judge rollo it was uh

00:41:34.340 just sort of like at the airport you have security theater and the masks were public health theater

00:41:40.660 it was for sure not for and this judge was accountability theater we'll go through the

00:41:46.180 process you'll expiate your emotions everyone will have their say and testify and we'll have a lot of

00:41:52.100 attention but at the end of the day it's a foregone conclusion and it's not really as you say it's not

00:41:56.580 really a court case but the problem is i i think that people were hoping that there would be some

00:42:05.780 reaction some correction and and they're going to say well what is the point and and who can be trusted

00:42:12.180 and what can be trusted and some people will just retreat into non-political lives some people will

00:42:16.740 become sort of sullen i think but others will actively try and find an alternative explanation

00:42:22.820 for this mad world we're in and and by the way this madness of the invoking martial law

00:42:29.620 comes at the same time we've had other madnesses in this country lockdowns curfews in quebec

00:42:35.060 what's going on with world war iii is that coming what's going on with the world economic forum what's

00:42:40.420 going on with with the economy i mean all of a sudden you have this confluence of chaos and the things

00:42:46.980 we could rely on we can't anymore that's the worst part about this uh judge rulo to me is that he just

00:42:54.660 helped bring the administration of justice into disrepute and he probably he didn't convince any

00:42:59.860 trucker that the martial law was fine he didn't convince a single skeptic that what trudeau did was

00:43:05.860 right what he did is he confirmed for them the belief that the entire establishment is rotten that's my view

00:43:11.140 right right right well this is both the downside and the silver lining right so the downside of all

00:43:17.940 of this all this coping stuff including the the process afterwards the the the the downside is that

00:43:26.340 that people's faith in our institutions will crumble because of what they perceive as you described

00:43:33.140 that's also the silver lining because they will be able to see in a way they've never seen before

00:43:40.980 how it actually works because how things are working now they may seem more extreme and more

00:43:48.820 strange and more inexplicable than they ever have and there's certainly truth to that but on the other

00:43:54.820 hand we've been going down this road a long time and people just haven't been paying attention it's

00:44:01.060 simply that they haven't seen what's going on it's not that that wasn't happening it's that they haven't

00:44:05.220 seen it and so we we're now in a period i think especially with respect to covid where where the

00:44:11.300 authorities have reached too far and it's apparent that they've reached too far and people can see it

00:44:17.380 now and that that is a good thing well i hope you're right because i tell you justin trudeau certainly

00:44:24.900 looks like a man who feels vindicated let me play you a clip when he was asked if he regretted talking

00:44:30.100 about fringe minority for about five seconds it looks like he's going to say yes i regret it but

00:44:35.700 then watch this bruce he then immediately rephrases it to say it again to say there's a group there's

00:44:41.620 a small group of people who and and his accusation is quite telling right he says they're spreading 1.00

00:44:48.500 misinformation and disinformation again ideas rhetoric peaceful words so so his dress justification is not

00:44:55.300 violent acts but their ideas are wrong right but then but then he says that they're wrong deliberately

00:45:02.980 now i think justin trudeau is wrong most of the time but i don't think he's deliberately wrong i

00:45:07.300 think he's got a i think once in a while he lies and does something deceptive but most of the time it's

00:45:11.380 just an ideology or a worldview that i think is wrong but i'm not going to stand here and say most of the

00:45:16.340 time justin trudeau is wrong and knows it and lies on i'm just not going to say that because i don't

00:45:20.500 believe that i think he's he does lie sometimes most politicians do but trudeau when asked if he

00:45:27.700 is sorry obviously doesn't say i'm sorry or i apologize rephrases the insult a second time

00:45:35.060 and actually accuses his opponents of knowingly and willfully lying to kill people here watch this clip

00:45:44.180 following today's report do you have any regrets about calling ottawa protesters a fringe minority

00:45:49.220 yeah i wish i had said that differently um

00:45:58.020 i you know as i look back on that and and you know as i've reflected on it over over the past

00:46:04.340 months not just um freshly from this commissioner's report i i wish i had phrased it differently

00:46:12.100 the fact is there is a very small number of people in this country who deliberately spread misinformation

00:46:23.540 and disinformation that led to canadians deaths that led to excessive hardship in people who believed them

00:46:33.780 i um continue to be very very firm against those individuals but that is a small subset of people who

00:46:46.980 who were uh just hurting and worried and wanting to be heard and as much as i tried to emphasize

00:46:57.620 throughout the time that of course we're always going to stand up for freedom of speech and freedom to

00:47:03.220 protest peacefully um i wish i hadn't said something that was able to be spread larger

00:47:11.700 um if i had chosen my words a bit careful have been more specific i think things might have been a bit

00:47:16.420 easier yeah look at how slippery he is no he would he has never apologized the only apologies justin trudeau

00:47:23.380 has made in eight years as prime minister is to apologize for what other people have done to apologize for

00:47:30.340 the genocide committed by other people to apologize for things stephen harper did to apologize when when he

00:47:36.500 himself commits a mistake it's a learning opportunity for you but certainly not an apology moment for him

00:47:42.820 he's he's quite something i i think there's a skill there i i might diagnose it as a sociopathy but

00:47:49.700 there it is sure well no listen justin trudeau is very good at what he does he he was one of the best

00:47:58.260 witnesses at the commission he's very very smooth very practiced that whatever it is he's peddling he's

00:48:05.300 peddling it well but look there there's a there is a real problem as people probably are aware with

00:48:12.500 this idea of misinformation and unfortunately this is this is a term i believe that shows up in the in

00:48:18.980 the report as well which is even more concerning but but we are also sort of playing this game too look

00:48:26.500 here's the idea as far as i'm concerned in a free country you're not entitled to the truth

00:48:35.860 the truth is your business to work out the the fact that somebody says something that's not true

00:48:42.180 is is is going to happen if they have free speech that's the way free speech works so when we accuse

00:48:48.900 other people or when they accuse us of disinformation that's not saying anything you're allowed to say

00:48:56.180 things that are not true in a free country politicians lie all the time and you know nobody likes it i don't

00:49:02.980 like it but i wouldn't expect otherwise if you're a citizen in a free country your job is to hear

00:49:10.660 what everybody's saying to assume that they are maybe not telling you the truth

00:49:17.220 and then to work out the truth for yourself you cannot blame people whoever it happens to be

00:49:22.580 for saying something that might not be true that's not the obligation you're allowed to say

00:49:27.140 what you think not because they're true but because that's what you think and so i i i i think we i would

00:49:33.940 like to shift the framework of this truth-telling idea and and i i would like that these two words

00:49:43.540 misinformation and disinformation to be expelled from our public discourse because they they don't

00:49:50.500 make sense if we are pretending to live in a free country well i think you're going to see those words

00:49:55.860 those are the words of the year for 2023 but no doubt c11 and c18 and other proposed bills the

00:50:03.540 the old c36 the un the online harms act which hasn't even been introduced yet those are four

00:50:10.020 pieces of legislation that trudeau has lined up and that's exactly what i mean that's that this is

00:50:15.860 this is this is the path we're on we are on the path of of trying to enforce a government you know

00:50:22.340 the government is trying to enforce the idea that your obligation is to tell the truth

00:50:28.100 according to their definition of course but even that first notion that you are obliged to be truthful

00:50:35.300 is incorrect if we are living in a free country yeah interesting bruce it's great to catch up with

00:50:41.700 you as always we've been talking to professor bruce party he's the executive director of rights probe

00:50:46.260 of course he's a senior fellow with the mcdonald laurier institute where he wrote his

00:50:50.820 prophetic piece in december and he's a professor of law queen's university great to see you again

00:50:56.100 thanks ezra all right there you have it stay with us more ahead

00:51:07.700 hey welcome back well i don't mean to be depressing but i think both of our main topics today were

00:51:11.860 depressing um listen i think military equipment is cool and neat i mean the the teenage boy within me

00:51:18.900 still finds it amazing to look at fighter jets scorching through the sky and to look at the

00:51:24.820 technology and sheer explosive power of weaponry i think for all time since the time we were hunters

00:51:32.580 people have found weapons interesting men and boys used to and as you can see from the munich security

00:51:38.020 conference apparently a lot of girls think it's pretty cool now too that said what are we doing

00:51:44.020 escalating having a brinksmanship game with vladimir putin and now xi jinping xi jinping who is going to

00:51:50.660 moscow to formalize an alliance undoing one of the greatest successes of the cold war whatever else you

00:51:56.340 think about it breaking china away from russia was probably one of the reasons the cold war ended when

00:52:02.740 it did rather than lingering on for decades more now other things came about that including china's

00:52:08.500 economic prowess but what are we doing pushing those two enormous powers back together and what

00:52:14.340 are we doing talking about long-range weapons to attack russia in world war three what are we doing

00:52:20.740 shouldn't there at least be a parallel track for diplomacy and is it too much to ask what is the

00:52:27.620 end of this story look like do you really think russia is going to be defeated without using its nukes or

00:52:35.140 chinese conventional weapons i literally do not know who is in charge but maybe the answer was that

00:52:42.660 list of sponsors and advertisers this is the worst of times don't get me started about how depressing

00:52:49.700 our friend bruce party was i'm sure he's right on everything which is what makes me so sad about it

00:52:54.500 but listen we can't run away from these facts we keep on fighting we'll do our best we'll shine a light

00:53:00.100 of scrutiny on these issues and that's why the rebel is here to tell the other side of the story

00:53:06.020 until tomorrow on behalf of all of us here to you at home good night and keep fighting for freedom

Rebel News Podcast - February 21, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Is World War III inevitable after the Munich Security Conference？

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