Rebel News Podcast - April 23, 2025


EZRA LEVANT ｜ Media elites fear Rebel News because we're principled—not bought


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What did the mainstream media ask Mark Carney after the second debate? What questions did they not ask him? And why did the CBC decide to cancel the media scrum after the debate? Ezra Levenkamp answers these questions and more on tonight's show.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. You know, I was thinking a little bit more about why the media party
00:00:03.760 tried to cancel and succeeded in canceling the scrum after the second debate. And I think it's
00:00:09.720 because they didn't want tough questions being put to Mark Carney. And we had some tough questions.
00:00:14.440 Today, I'll share with you the tough questions that we had written that we never got a chance
00:00:18.440 to ask because the CBC managed to convince the debate commission to cancel it. I think you'll
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00:01:55.200 Tonight, what didn't the mainstream media ask Mark Carney? It's April 23rd, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
00:02:01.880 You're fighting for freedom. Shame on you, you sensorism bug.
00:02:17.120 I'm still thinking about last week at the leaders' debates in Montreal, because it was one of the
00:02:21.500 strangest days of my life. The mainstream media are still talking about it too, especially the CBC,
00:02:26.320 especially the French CBC, for some reason. They're still writing about it. Not the debates
00:02:31.820 themselves, which are actually interesting, but our audacity as citizen journalists for wanting to
00:02:38.000 attend and ask questions in the media scrum afterwards. I know that some media people care,
00:02:42.940 and some political people care, and some critics of the media and politics care, but for normal
00:02:47.700 Canadians, for millions of ordinary people, they just don't care. I mean, that's not the news.
00:02:53.820 That was a sideshow. But why is it an obsession for the media party? Why?
00:02:59.980 I think it's because some of them have become radicalized. They're starting to believe their
00:03:04.660 own propaganda that Rebel News and Juno News and Western Standard and the others are like terrifying
00:03:11.740 January 6 rioters or truckers or whatever their worst nightmare is. I tell you, the emotional
00:03:18.100 outbursts by several of the journalists felt like a mental breakdown, not a thoughtfully
00:03:22.460 articulated criticism of us. I mean, here's one guy from the Hill Times.
00:03:26.660 Yeah, after you guys threatened to sue, so that you, that's why they got the four questions,
00:03:32.480 because the commission, when did the CDC get four questions? Yesterday. Yes, after they
00:03:40.140 had already told it to you, because you threatened to sue. I'm not. Don't you have a third party
00:03:49.500 advertising truck that you don't take care of? How much have you spent on your party advertising
00:03:55.920 this election? Between Rebel News and For Canada, companies you own both of, how much money
00:04:02.660 have you spent to influence this election, I'm assuming in favor of conservatives, how much
00:04:08.360 have you spent? You're a journalist, you must be honest. Rebel News Limited, you set up and
00:04:17.500 registered on Elections Canada. Everyone else, you can go to Elections Canada right now, every
00:04:24.000 third party is registered, search Rebel News for Canada, and you will see clear as day as
00:04:30.780 the owner of both of those companies. He has a third party advertising truck driving around
00:04:38.080 this venue right now. It's owned by Rebel, it's owned by you, oh, sorry, sorry, the truck is
00:04:47.420 for Canada, which is owned by you, which is separate from Rebel News, which is also owned by you.
00:04:53.920 You want me to pull up, I think we're one by one. Control your emotions. You're out of control.
00:05:00.920 Speaking quietly doesn't make your things any less important. You're completely out of control emotions.
00:05:06.920 And your facts are completely wrong. You're embarrassing. What's your name? What's your name?
00:05:13.920 What's your name? You're suddenly shy. No, I'm Googling. You're Googling your name?
00:05:20.920 Tell us who you are, tough guy. Stuart Benson Hilltimes. Well, you're a disgrace to the Hilltimes. And your facts are wrong.
00:05:28.920 You're a disgrace to the Hilltimes. And your facts are wrong. You're a disgrace to journalism, buddy.
00:05:33.920 I can do the thing. I can do the job, one of me can do the same job. You literally need five reporters to do.
00:05:41.920 So am I the disgrace to all of the people you needed to do the job I do by myself?
00:05:46.920 Yeah, that guy was cuckoo. And there was another guy from a left-wing outlet called Ricochet who was literally shaking while shouting conspiracy theories at me. Did you see that?
00:05:59.920 Because of you, we can't ask questions what we have in the public. Because you wanted to have a media service.
00:06:04.920 Maybe your allies shouldn't be trying to get the Commission to do something unlawful.
00:06:09.920 It's embarrassing. Look at all of you. Look at all of you. What journalistic rationale is there to have this many people in the room?
00:06:17.920 What journalistic rationale is there? There's not 13 of us.
00:06:20.920 There absolutely are 13 of you. There absolutely are. I saw Kian Bexty coming over to Ezra throughout the debate.
00:06:26.920 Kian Bexty, who supposedly has a different media outlet, was taking direction from Ezra.
00:06:33.920 You're wrong. Kian Bexty doesn't work for Rebel News.
00:06:36.920 So why did he come over to you three times for direction during the debate?
00:06:40.920 He showed you his phone and he took direction from you during this debate.
00:06:45.920 So I don't think that Kian Bexty is independent of you. I don't believe that.
00:06:49.920 You think I was directing Kian because we're friends?
00:06:52.920 We're not allowed to talk to people?
00:06:54.920 He's shaking.
00:06:56.920 Which is much less than the CBC has. You've got to control your emotions. I know you don't like me or Rebel News and that's okay.
00:07:01.920 What I don't like Ezra is you preventing us from being able to ask questions on behalf of the public.
00:07:06.920 How have I done that?
00:07:07.920 You created a circus here before this debate started. You created a security incident before this debate started.
00:07:19.920 When you got into a screaming match with people before this debate started.
00:07:22.920 And that's the justification that has been used to cancel the Q&A.
00:07:26.920 So the circus that you created before this debate.
00:07:29.920 Where did you get this information?
00:07:31.920 I'm not making anything.
00:07:32.920 Where did you get these facts?
00:07:34.920 I was there. We were all there.
00:07:36.920 In the front of this room right before this debate.
00:07:39.920 You caused an incident that caused the security concern that got this Q&A shut down.
00:07:46.920 So Ezra Levan, I blame you 100% for the Q&A being canceled here.
00:07:51.920 Exactly.
00:07:52.920 Yeah, it was crazy.
00:07:53.920 I think there was some mental health issues there.
00:07:55.920 It's sort of cult-like.
00:07:57.920 And I don't know, it was a bit like what we saw during COVID.
00:08:00.920 You know, that phrase mass formation psychosis.
00:08:03.920 A kind of ultra peer pressure.
00:08:06.920 For other people though, it was frustrating that we worked harder than them.
00:08:10.920 What I mean by that is we got in the line to ask questions faster than they did.
00:08:15.920 We had perhaps better questions than they did.
00:08:18.920 That bothered some of them who were a little bit lazy.
00:08:21.920 For many though, it was a content-based objection.
00:08:24.920 Like I say, there were four CBC journalists that asked questions and four rebels who asked questions.
00:08:28.920 No one complained that the CBC dominated the coverage because they asked liberal friendly questions, didn't they?
00:08:34.920 They hated our questions precisely because they were alternative questions telling the other side of the story.
00:08:40.920 We were freedom oriented. We're not in the pocket of the government.
00:08:43.920 And finally, and I guess it's related, is the fact that we aren't part of the great elect Carney movement.
00:08:50.920 The CBC is in jeopardy in this election.
00:08:53.920 If Pierre Polyev wins, he says he will defund the CBC and scrap other, you know, liberal plans to colonize the media.
00:09:01.920 So everyone in that press room, not just the CBC, everyone was in there to save their jobs by saving Carney's job.
00:09:10.920 And we were a threat to that.
00:09:11.920 So they wanted to do all the question asking.
00:09:14.920 Softball questions for Carney, hardball questions for Polyev.
00:09:18.920 That's really what it came down to.
00:09:20.920 Here's an example.
00:09:21.920 A few weeks ago, a mainstream media journalist asked Pierre Polyev how many sexes there are.
00:09:27.920 These days, that's a very relevant question, a legal question, too. Take a look.
00:09:31.920 First day on the job, President Trump signed an executive order.
00:09:34.920 You know, the U.S. government only recognizing two genders, male, female. 0.96
00:09:38.920 They're unchangeable.
00:09:39.920 You know, if elected as prime minister, is that something that you're going to kind of walk in line with?
00:09:44.920 Or what are your feelings on that executive order?
00:09:46.920 Well, I don't know.
00:09:48.920 Do you have any other genders that you'd like to name?
00:09:51.920 Me personally?
00:09:54.920 Yes.
00:09:56.920 I'm just asking more so if you're in line with what he is saying.
00:10:00.920 Do you agree with what he's saying?
00:10:01.920 Is that something that you would be lockstep with if elected as prime minister?
00:10:05.920 Well, I'm not aware of any other genders than men and women.
00:10:09.920 I mean, if you have any other that you want me to consider, you're welcome to tell me right now.
00:10:14.920 Well, personally, I am a man.
00:10:18.920 I am, as people say, a cis man.
00:10:20.920 There are people there who, you know, they say they're gender neutral.
00:10:23.920 Me, too. I am a man.
00:10:24.920 You are a man, yes.
00:10:25.920 There are people out there who say they're gender neutral.
00:10:27.920 Yeah, they say they're gender neutral.
00:10:29.920 They're, you know, they're a trans person.
00:10:33.920 Is that something that you would recognize here?
00:10:36.920 Whereas in the States, at least with their U.S. government, the way they're seeing it, there's only two.
00:10:41.920 I'm only aware of two.
00:10:44.920 But, I mean, if you have, if you come up with another list, then you're welcome to do that.
00:10:50.920 But I'm aware of two.
00:10:51.920 And as far as I'm concerned, we should have a government that just minds its own damn business
00:10:56.920 and leaves people alone to make their own personal decisions.
00:10:59.920 That's the kind of government I'm going to run.
00:11:02.920 Fair question.
00:11:03.920 But when a citizen journalist asked that same question of Mark Carney, the CBC was outraged.
00:11:09.920 Here's the question.
00:11:10.920 Hey, Alex Soltan with True North.
00:11:12.920 If you thought my friend's question was odd, you're going to love this one.
00:11:15.920 I'm glad you self-assessed that.
00:11:17.920 Okay.
00:11:18.920 How many genders are there? 1.00
00:11:19.920 There, in terms of sex, there are two.
00:11:24.920 Thank you.
00:11:25.920 My follow-up question then?
00:11:27.920 Do you believe that women, biological women, have the right to their own spaces? 0.93
00:11:32.920 Their own sports?
00:11:33.920 Their own change rooms?
00:11:34.920 Their own prisons?
00:11:35.920 Their own homeless shelters?
00:11:37.920 I think we, this is Canada.
00:11:42.920 And that, as a general objective, yes.
00:11:48.920 We, but we work in, where we value all Canadians for who they are and we'll continue to do so.
00:11:57.920 Thank you very much.
00:11:58.920 Yeah, that's, that's a fair question.
00:12:01.920 And here's the CBC furious about that question.
00:12:05.920 But Rosie, I'm curious what stood out to you, because at one point when some of those last
00:12:08.920 questions came up, I just checked.
00:12:10.920 Yeah, no, we're in Canada.
00:12:11.920 Because these, the identity politics questions have not emerged much.
00:12:16.920 This happens on the same day that the United Kingdom court ruled that women and sex refer 0.95
00:12:23.920 to biological women and biological sex. 1.00
00:12:25.920 True North is a very right wing website.
00:12:30.920 And there have been issues in the past with who gets allowed into these scrums and who's
00:12:35.920 allowed to ask questions of the leaders.
00:12:37.920 The commission, Debates Commission, was the one who decided that these people were allowed
00:12:42.920 to come in and ask these kinds of questions.
00:12:44.920 So there you go.
00:12:45.920 Here's another example.
00:12:46.920 In past years, the mainstream media has absolutely savaged any conservative who wasn't for fighting
00:12:51.920 global warming or carbon taxes or net zero or any of that.
00:12:55.920 It was the number one theme of any questions they would ask in debates gone by, in interviews.
00:13:02.920 Anyone, especially any conservative who said global warming wasn't important, was called
00:13:08.920 a dangerous dinosaur.
00:13:09.920 Get with that.
00:13:10.920 I think it was definitely the number one issue for the media party.
00:13:14.920 Until the moment it wasn't.
00:13:17.920 Until the moment Mark Carney realized it was a vote killer.
00:13:21.920 So he just canceled the carbon tax or paused it, I think is more accurate.
00:13:25.920 And the entire media party, every journalist who had just gone at it past conservative leaders
00:13:32.920 like Andrew Scheer and Aaron O'Toole, they just sort of nodded.
00:13:35.920 And they all immediately agreed to forget about the issue of climate change just altogether.
00:13:40.920 They never meant it anyways.
00:13:41.920 They only used it as a weapon against conservatives.
00:13:44.920 So when they said, you know, our children's future is at stake.
00:13:47.920 When they said it was the biggest issue of the age, they never meant it.
00:13:53.920 So I think that's a big reason why they raged against us being in the debate scrum.
00:13:56.920 And obviously the harsh reality that our very presence means that millions of Canadians are
00:14:02.920 not satisfied with what the mainstream media are providing them.
00:14:04.920 So they come to us instead.
00:14:06.920 And we managed to compete somehow or even out compete with the mainstream media, despite
00:14:11.920 having no money or government privileges.
00:14:13.920 So it's all that and it's pitiful.
00:14:16.920 And when we were in the line, our rebel team was writing up some questions for each leader.
00:14:22.920 Now, we didn't in the end have a chance to ask questions of Mark Carney.
00:14:26.920 And of course, they canceled the second night.
00:14:29.920 And it's too bad because he will never be asked the most basic questions
00:14:32.920 because he cuts off access to everyone except the reliable liberal media.
00:14:37.920 You cannot get a question of Mark Carney.
00:14:39.920 And since we'll never have the chance to ask them because he'd arrest us for getting too close to him,
00:14:44.920 I thought I'd share with you the questions that we drafted.
00:14:48.920 Here they are.
00:14:49.920 Too bad the regime journalists won't ever ask them.
00:14:51.920 But here are the questions that we had written to ask Mark Carney at the debate
00:14:57.920 that the CBC pressured the Debates Commission into canceling.
00:15:00.920 Here's one.
00:15:01.920 What do you think of this?
00:15:03.920 Your party, Mr. Carney, has been accused of anti-Semitism.
00:15:08.920 Last week, Israel's Prime Minister went so far as to issue a public rebuke.
00:15:13.920 Here's my question.
00:15:14.920 Your candidate in Victoria, Will Graves, wrote after October 7th,
00:15:18.920 quote,
00:15:19.920 People get kidnapped.
00:15:20.920 It's a terrible thing that happens, especially in conflict zones.
00:15:23.920 But they were kidnapped from Israel due to a massive failure of Israeli national security
00:15:27.920 and are being held in a territory under active invasion by Israel.
00:15:31.920 What else do you propose?
00:15:33.920 How many times can your candidate say things like this without people concluding that your party is in fact anti-Semitic?
00:15:39.920 And how many times can you excuse comments like this without people concluding you are too?
00:15:45.920 What do you think of that question?
00:15:47.920 Here's one.
00:15:48.920 It's about migrants and housing.
00:15:50.920 In the last few years, Canada has added two million people each year between foreign students, temporary foreign workers, refugees and regular immigrants.
00:15:59.920 Two million a year.
00:16:01.920 You're an economist, Mr. Carney, and you understand supply and demand.
00:16:04.920 How much of our housing affordability crisis is because of mass immigration?
00:16:09.920 Or are you unwilling to criticize that sacred cow?
00:16:14.920 I don't know.
00:16:15.920 I wish someone would ask him that.
00:16:17.920 Here's a question that we would have put to him about trans, although someone else beat us to it.
00:16:22.920 Today, the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom ruled unanimously that trans women are not legally women.
00:16:27.920 This could stop biological men from entering women's places like women's bathrooms, women's sports teams and women's prisons. 0.99
00:16:34.920 The United States has brought in similar policies through executive orders.
00:16:38.920 Do you agree or disagree?
00:16:40.920 Should trans women legally be the same as women? 1.00
00:16:44.920 I think that's a good one.
00:16:46.920 I had one on Chinese tariffs, too.
00:16:48.920 Here's what I would have asked.
00:16:50.920 Mr. Carney, you told us you're boycotting U.S. alcohol because of tariffs.
00:16:55.920 China has put 100% tariffs on canola, which could cost Canadian farmers, primarily in Saskatchewan, billions.
00:17:03.920 But they're Western farmers from provinces that don't vote liberal.
00:17:06.920 Have you boycotted anything Chinese because of that? 0.86
00:17:09.920 I asked because you haven't put retaliatory tariffs on China either.
00:17:13.920 In fact, I checked and you haven't even tweeted about it.
00:17:15.920 Why?
00:17:16.920 I think that's a good question.
00:17:18.920 I think, frankly, all the other leaders should have been asked the same question.
00:17:23.920 I don't know if you saw that in the debates, but they were all asked what American stuff they would boycott.
00:17:28.920 But, yeah, none of them said they boycotted China.
00:17:33.920 Here's a question I wrote about pipelines.
00:17:36.920 These are for Carney.
00:17:37.920 We had questions for other leaders, too, but Carney's the one who looks like he may be reelected.
00:17:41.920 I said, you said you agree with Greta Thunberg.
00:17:44.920 You said you think we should get to net zero.
00:17:47.920 You spent your career opposing oil and gas.
00:17:49.920 You support C69, Trudeau's restrictions on oil projects and pipelines.
00:17:53.920 And you said Quebec has a veto over pipelines.
00:17:56.920 But tonight you said you're for more oil production and pipelines.
00:18:00.920 Can you answer specifically which pipelines do you support?
00:18:04.920 Would you support Energy East or Northern Gateway or Keystone Excel?
00:18:08.920 Or is your answer just an abstract sentiment?
00:18:13.920 Here's one that I really would have liked.
00:18:15.920 And had I had a chance, I think this would be the one I would have picked out of all of these.
00:18:19.920 Obviously, we couldn't put all of them.
00:18:22.920 When did you last talk with Xi Jinping?
00:18:26.920 Your campaign has been rocked by scandal after scandal involving candidates
00:18:30.920 who expressed their loyalty to the Chinese Communist Party
00:18:33.920 and who have participated in Chinese government activities, even while here in Canada.
00:18:37.920 You have refused to condemn them.
00:18:40.920 When you were with Brookfield, you had very close relations with the Chinese Communist Party,
00:18:44.920 including their dictator.
00:18:46.920 When was the last time you spoke with Xi Jinping
00:18:49.920 or any member of the Chinese government or a Chinese diplomat?
00:18:53.920 What do you think of that one?
00:18:55.920 Here's one I wrote about Hamas. 0.78
00:18:57.920 Last month you said we all agree with Hamas, but your staff said you simply misspoke in French.
00:19:04.920 Then a heckler called Gaza a genocide and you agreed, 0.93
00:19:08.920 but your staff said you didn't really hear correctly.
00:19:11.920 Then you stood next to an MP who demonized Israel as the aggressor.
00:19:15.920 Let me ask you a specific question.
00:19:17.920 Do you support or oppose the weekly anti-Semitic hate marches in Canadian streets?
00:19:24.920 I'd like to know the answer.
00:19:27.920 Here's one about ethics.
00:19:28.920 I said, when your candidate Paul Chang encouraged people to kidnap his opponent
00:19:32.920 and hand him over to China, you refused to fire him and just waited a week until he resigned.
00:19:37.920 And when your campaign staff handed out fake conservative buttons in a dirty tricks campaign,
00:19:42.920 you didn't fire them either.
00:19:44.920 You simply reassigned them.
00:19:46.920 Both of these actions are unethical and possibly even illegal,
00:19:49.920 but you refused to denounce or disavow either of them.
00:19:52.920 What message do you think you're sending about accountability and ethics?
00:19:56.920 Think about that one.
00:19:58.920 Here's one that I think should have been asked by other media like months ago.
00:20:02.920 I said, I wrote, I didn't say this, didn't get the chance.
00:20:06.920 I wrote, there are a lot of basic biographical questions that you just haven't answered
00:20:11.920 and that establishment journalists haven't asked you.
00:20:13.920 So I hope you don't mind if I do, I wrote.
00:20:16.920 Last year, when you were interrogated by US congressional staff,
00:20:19.920 you told them that you lived in the United Kingdom.
00:20:21.920 In your last tax return, what country did you say was your residence?
00:20:26.920 Where have you been paying your personal taxes?
00:20:29.920 When exactly did you move back to Canada?
00:20:31.920 And has your wife returned to or she's still abroad?
00:20:36.920 Why are you being so evasive about these things?
00:20:40.920 Those may sound prickly impersonal, but I think they're basic questions.
00:20:44.920 Here's one I wrote about net zero.
00:20:47.920 For years, you campaigned on reducing carbon emissions to net zero.
00:20:51.920 And even when you suspended the carbon tax, you did not say it was wrong, merely that it was unpopular.
00:20:57.920 And you didn't repeal the tax, you just temporarily set it at zero percent.
00:21:01.920 You said you support Greta Thunberg and that oil and gas jobs should be transitioned.
00:21:06.920 My question, do you support or oppose Alberta Premier Daniel Smith's plan to increase the productions of the oil sands?
00:21:14.920 I would like to have heard the answer to that. I don't know if we ever will.
00:21:19.920 Here's one I wrote about the independent press.
00:21:21.920 For years, our reporters have bumped into you at the World Economic Forum in Davos and you would answer all of our questions.
00:21:27.920 We thank you for that. And you said it was your duty to answer tough questions.
00:21:31.920 But ever since you became liberal leader, you banned us and other independent journalists from your press conferences
00:21:37.920 and threatened to arrest any of us who try to ask you questions. What changed?
00:21:42.920 Why are you so afraid to answer questions? And is this a sign of how you'll run the country, shunning out any voices of dissent?
00:21:51.920 I had some Epstein questions, too. I don't know if I would have gotten around to these. 0.87
00:21:56.920 I don't know if they're that important, but here's what I wrote.
00:21:58.920 I said, there are a number of conspiracy theories regarding you and Jeffrey Epstein, and I don't want to indulge those.
00:22:03.920 But I do want to ask you about three incontrovertible facts widely reported in the British press that I hope you can explain.
00:22:10.920 You were photographed socializing with Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's sex trafficker.
00:22:15.920 Epstein's client, Prince Andrew, threw a lavish party for you at Buckingham Palace.
00:22:21.920 And your wife's family is listed in Epstein's notorious black book.
00:22:26.920 I'm sure there's an innocuous explanation for all of this, but you haven't given it yet.
00:22:32.920 Why?
00:22:33.920 What do you think of those questions?
00:22:36.920 I mean, you can like them or hate them, but don't you think they're fair and factual and interesting?
00:22:42.920 And so don't you see why the media party worked so hard to get the second scrum canceled last week?
00:22:50.920 Stay with us more ahead.
00:22:52.920 Well, it's less than a week to go in the election, and it is tightening up.
00:23:07.920 The Liberal Party had a lead.
00:23:09.920 Some polls said more than a 10-point lead, but now it's neck and neck.
00:23:13.920 According to all the polls I've seen as late as today, the Liberals do have a lead, but it's within the margin of error.
00:23:19.920 What is happening?
00:23:20.920 Are they deflating?
00:23:21.920 Is a honeymoon wearing off?
00:23:23.920 Are people starting to think about other issues besides Trump?
00:23:26.920 Joining us on how to talk about this is my old friend and former president of the Liberal Party of Canada.
00:23:31.920 His name is Stephen LeDrew, and he's a journalist in his own right.
00:23:34.920 Stephen, great to see you again.
00:23:36.920 Love to be with you, Ezra, as always.
00:23:38.920 Well, thank you for joining us.
00:23:41.920 You were part of the Liberal Party corporate structure.
00:23:46.920 You were the president of them a generation ago.
00:23:49.920 Who is behind the scenes of Mark Carney?
00:23:52.920 Because he sort of was planted here.
00:23:55.920 He's been away for a decade.
00:23:57.920 Before we get into how the campaign's going, who are the party bosses running things?
00:24:02.920 Is there an old guard?
00:24:04.920 Who are the insiders?
00:24:07.920 Is it Gerald Butts again?
00:24:09.920 Yes, it is.
00:24:10.920 Gerald Butts.
00:24:11.920 Let me just go back and provide some background to it.
00:24:14.920 I was president, the longest-serving president.
00:24:16.920 I put in literally tens of thousands of hours of volunteer time to the Liberal Party.
00:24:21.920 But it was a Liberal Party.
00:24:23.920 It stood for fiscal responsibility and social progressiveness.
00:24:28.920 And the party has really been dismantled over the last 12 or 13 years by Justin Trudeau,
00:24:37.920 or actually more specifically, not Justin, but by Mr. Butts, who you mentioned, and Katie Telford.
00:24:45.920 They were the operatives for Trudeau.
00:24:47.920 And their intention was to wipe out the party.
00:24:50.920 The Liberal Party was an institution, as you well know, the most successful political party in the world.
00:24:58.920 And it had members.
00:25:01.920 You had to buy a membership.
00:25:03.920 You had to, you know, really, it worked at making itself a social political party.
00:25:12.920 Now it's not a political party.
00:25:14.920 It is the Justin party, notwithstanding that there's a new leader.
00:25:17.920 Mr. Butts is still there in charge.
00:25:21.920 He ran Mr. Trudeau for the last 10 years as Prime Minister.
00:25:27.920 He ran the Premier of Ontario before that.
00:25:30.920 And he has reduced the party, Ezra, to a show of just two or three people.
00:25:39.920 And that was evident when people saw Carney being sworn in as Prime Minister, Ezra.
00:25:44.920 And I watched that.
00:25:45.920 And there was Mr. Butts near the front row, right behind the cabinet ministers,
00:25:51.920 at that swearing in at the Governor General's house, Rideau Hall.
00:25:54.920 He is still there.
00:25:55.920 He is still calling the shots and causing things to move in his direction.
00:26:02.920 He hired the Prime Minister's wife for a company called Eurasia out of New York.
00:26:08.920 Eurasia consults with other countries around the world, other companies around the world.
00:26:13.920 It has made millions of dollars from contracts with the Canadian government,
00:26:17.920 when, in fact, Butts' best friend, Justin, was the Prime Minister.
00:26:21.920 So it's a very inside crew.
00:26:24.920 It used to be that the insiders numbered hundreds, senators, MPs, volunteers like myself.
00:26:31.920 Now the only people that really count are just a few people who are running the show.
00:26:35.920 And they, I'm told as recently as yesterday, are quite convinced that they are going to have a majority government after Monday night.
00:26:45.920 As you pointed out, Ezra, the polls are tightening.
00:26:48.920 I voted in a rural community in the advanced poll, and as you and your listeners and viewers know now,
00:26:59.920 the highest advanced poll turnout ever.
00:27:02.920 Usually, and you and I have been around politics for a few years,
00:27:06.920 but usually that, to my mind, is let's kick the bums out. 0.98
00:27:09.920 We want to get rid of these people.
00:27:11.920 We'll get new people in there.
00:27:12.920 But this is a crazy campaign.
00:27:16.920 It's been a very unique campaign, as you have and your reporters have catalogued since the start.
00:27:25.920 It's a very unique campaign.
00:27:27.920 There's a fair degree of insanity.
00:27:29.920 I think that for Canadians to be worried that Trump is going to turn us into a 51st state is insane.
00:27:36.920 The mainstream media keeps playing that.
00:27:39.920 What's he going to do?
00:27:40.920 Send in the army?
00:27:41.920 Take over Canada?
00:27:42.920 I mean, this is just Canadians, some Canadians, as a result of the media, mainstream media, have the wrong ideas, the wrong concerns.
00:27:51.920 I think that Canada should be concerned about its disintegrating economy, about its disintegrating society.
00:27:58.920 And look at Carney, who, as you say, has not been in Canada for years and years, has never been elected.
00:28:04.920 There's an article in the Toronto Sun today that I penned saying that we need a parliamentarian.
00:28:10.920 We aren't electing a president, you know, one person in charge.
00:28:13.920 I mean, Canadians think that from the American media, mainstream media.
00:28:17.920 We need, we elect MPs.
00:28:20.920 As you well know, Ezra, you're well-versed in this.
00:28:22.920 You've been in Ottawa for years and years.
00:28:24.920 You know the system.
00:28:25.920 We elect, it's a parliamentary democracy.
00:28:27.920 We elect MPs.
00:28:28.920 The MPs, the most MPs in one party, have their leader, who becomes prime minister.
00:28:33.920 And become prime minister, as you well know as well, is not an easy job.
00:28:37.920 You have to know parliament.
00:28:38.920 You have to know committees.
00:28:39.920 You have to have the give and take.
00:28:40.920 You have to know how to work out policy with your own party members in opposition.
00:28:45.920 Carney has never done any of that.
00:28:48.920 I mean, we are, we are electing, or seemingly, if the polls are accurate, and liberal incisors
00:28:55.920 are accurate, Ezra, we are putting somebody in that job who has never been elected dog catcher.
00:29:00.920 Yeah.
00:29:01.920 Much less a member of parliament.
00:29:02.920 I think it's a crazy time, Ezra.
00:29:05.920 Let me ask you about one quirk.
00:29:07.920 A year ago, I saw a poll out of the United Kingdom that young people, 18 to 24, it's
00:29:16.920 a YouGov poll, only 1% of young people plan to vote for the Conservative Party in the UK.
00:29:24.920 It was so discredited with the youth.
00:29:26.920 And I remember 10 years ago, Justin Trudeau really had a youth-oriented campaign, in part
00:29:31.920 through the promise of legalizing marijuana.
00:29:34.920 He was the young person's candidate.
00:29:36.920 He was hip and cool, or at least by Ottawa standards, he was.
00:29:39.920 Now, the most astonishing thing to me about the polls is how overwhelmingly young people,
00:29:45.920 for whatever reason, and I think I know the reason, support Pierre Polyev.
00:29:48.920 I think it's the affordability of homes and economic, and can I start a family?
00:29:54.920 It's totally flipped.
00:29:56.920 Why are boomers and seniors so attracted to Mark Carney?
00:30:02.920 I think I know the answer, but I'd like to hear it from you.
00:30:05.920 I mean, it just seems the opposite.
00:30:06.920 When I grew up, it was always young people were progressive, old people were conservative.
00:30:11.920 Well, I think that the old people are still conservative, but the new conservative is this,
00:30:18.920 you know, butts-led Liberal Party.
00:30:20.920 I had that conversation with somebody who lives, again, in a rural community, and they
00:30:25.920 were surprised at the number of Liberal signs up.
00:30:28.920 And they started to talk to people.
00:30:30.920 And most of the people with Liberal signs were over 55.
00:30:34.920 Some were retired with healthy gold pensions from government.
00:30:39.920 Others were still working for government.
00:30:42.920 People who are 55 and over are in pretty good shape, thank you very much.
00:30:46.920 And they don't want anything to disturb it.
00:30:48.920 So they are happy.
00:30:49.920 They are satisfied.
00:30:50.920 They are content.
00:30:51.920 They like the government checks coming in.
00:30:52.920 So they are voting for the status quo.
00:30:56.920 Young people see, they read, they know that our GDP is going down the toilet.
00:31:02.920 As I quoted today, Canada's GDP is less than that of the state of Alabama.
00:31:09.920 I mean, one of the worst in the United States.
00:31:11.920 I mean, our economy is toileting.
00:31:14.920 And young people know that when they say, well, we can't even rent a house, much less
00:31:20.920 buy one, Ezra.
00:31:21.920 Jobs are hard to find.
00:31:22.920 Good jobs.
00:31:23.920 They know that the Trudeau government has thwarted the economic progress of Canada.
00:31:30.920 They know that the world would love to buy our clean, burning natural energy.
00:31:36.920 And these governments, and Carney himself, Net Zero Carney, read his book, and, you know,
00:31:42.920 values.
00:31:43.920 He wants to do the same as Justin Trudeau.
00:31:46.920 He says, as you were there for the debate, as Blanchard pointed out, well, you say in
00:31:51.920 England, in English, Canada, that you're having pipelines.
00:31:54.920 You say in French, you're not having pipelines.
00:31:56.920 I mean, Carney is a, I think he's a bit of a con job.
00:32:00.920 Yeah.
00:32:01.920 And I think young people, young people know that, Ezra.
00:32:04.920 They see that.
00:32:05.920 Yeah.
00:32:06.920 Very interesting.
00:32:07.920 Well, Stephen, it's great to catch up with you.
00:32:08.920 Thank you for being so candid.
00:32:09.920 And you are a symbol of what the Liberal Party once was, when it was sort of the great party
00:32:14.920 of the center, the party that absorbed good ideas where they came from.
00:32:18.920 Now it is very much a radical force.
00:32:20.920 And it's astonishing that it really has been colonized by Gerald Butts and that Eurasia 0.99
00:32:25.920 group.
00:32:26.920 It's just fascinating.
00:32:27.920 We got to run, but I hope we can keep in touch, maybe even on election night.
00:32:30.920 I think you just called me an old fart.
00:32:32.920 No, no.
00:32:33.920 I'm the same.
00:32:34.920 You and I are friends.
00:32:35.920 I'm the same vintage.
00:32:36.920 I'm the same vintage.
00:32:37.920 Almost.
00:32:38.920 Good to see you.
00:32:39.920 Good to see you, Ezra.
00:32:40.920 Bye-bye.
00:32:41.920 There he is.
00:32:42.920 Stephen LeDrew, journalist and former president of the Liberal Party of Canada.
00:32:45.920 Stay with us.
00:32:46.920 More ahead.
00:32:59.920 Hey, welcome back.
00:33:00.920 John P says about Pierre Polyev, quote, he should focus more on immigration.
00:33:07.920 I think you're right.
00:33:08.920 He sort of hid that away.
00:33:10.920 I suppose it's because any conservative is worried about being called racist, but I think
00:33:14.920 immigration is such an acute issue in this country.
00:33:17.920 I think a lot of shy voters would support it.
00:33:19.920 J.C.
00:33:20.920 Nalen says, this is the biggest and most important election in Canadian history.
00:33:26.920 You know, I think you're right.
00:33:28.920 I really think, I don't know if we can come back from another Liberal win.
00:33:34.920 Toggle says, even if the Conservatives pull off a win and let's say the Liberals were pretty
00:33:39.920 close, it still should be very concerning that there are a lot of people in Canada willing
00:33:43.920 to reward 10 years of failure.
00:33:45.920 You're exactly right.
00:33:47.920 And I think it would be a bloody shame.
00:33:51.920 And I hate to say it, but I think Trump scaring the heck out of sensitive Canadians is probably
00:33:58.920 what added 10 points to the Liberals and took 10 points away from Pierre Polyev.
00:34:03.920 Wouldn't that be a shame?
00:34:05.920 As Polyev says, you know, it would give Trump a weaker negotiating opponent, wouldn't it?
00:34:12.920 Well, that's our show for today.
00:34:14.920 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters to you at home,
00:34:17.920 good night and keep fighting for freedom.