00:02:33.240Welcome back. Well, you may recall that about a week ago, I went to Ottawa again. And the reason0.63
00:02:38.440I go to Ottawa most of the time is because that is the judicial center where Tamara Leach and1.00
00:02:44.500most of the other truckers were put on trial. Of course, Coutts, Alberta in the Lethbridge Court1.00
00:02:49.760was the other. Tamara Leach, having gone through the longest mischief trial in Canadian history,0.99
00:02:57.120in fact, indeed, in the entire Commonwealth, she was back in court because not one, not two,
00:03:02.960but three prosecutors were there to cross-examine me on an affidavit I put together talking about0.83
00:03:10.920the work that Tamara Leach has done for Rebel News this past six months. And she joins us now0.98
00:03:17.960to talk about it, but we are going to be a little bit careful of what we say because the application
00:03:23.380to vary Tamara Leach's sentence to allow her to travel more widely and over for us, it is a live
00:03:30.420issue before the court. So we don't want to say anything that could possibly interfere with that.
00:03:35.180Tamara joins us now via Zoom from her home in Medicine Hat. Great to hear you. Great to see you
00:03:40.700and to hear you and you were just telling me that it's 37 or 38 degrees out there that's pretty
00:03:46.020incredible i hope you're keeping cool trying to it's freezing in the basement as you can see i
00:03:50.680have my sweater on down here but uh but yes we're we're making it work well right on i mean of course
00:03:55.800i was in medicine hat with you a week or two ago uh yes uh and we just we had a fun tour of southern
00:04:02.040alberta we were in okotoks we were in lethbridge we were in medicine hat um so you know we spent
00:04:07.660that you know more than 12 hours driving around southern Alberta it's a good reminder that not
00:04:12.660the whole world sees things through the eyes of Toronto or Ottawa and there really is an Alberta
00:04:18.420culture of freedom and you've got amazing support people were so happy to see you and they they came
00:04:23.720out in the heat when they could have been doing other things just to say hi that was a pretty fun
00:04:27.440day we spent it was it was a great day and always a pleasure to go out and meet people and you know
00:04:33.680the support um that's one thing i'll say you know the support over the last four and a half years
00:04:38.880has never wavered ezra you know these people are still very appreciative and they come out to
00:04:43.600express their support and um and of course they're all rebel news fans so you know we get we're
00:04:49.480getting a lot of love out there well i've really enjoyed working with you over the last six or
00:04:54.260seven months i'd have to check the exact date and i remember when we talked about it because you did
00:05:00.080worked for rebel news before you were sentenced you came to our rebel news live events uh either
00:05:05.600as a speaker or or playing in your rock band and you know you you wrote a best-selling book with us
00:05:12.040and you went on a book tour these were real things you were doing for us and we didn't have a
00:05:16.300particular contract with you i mean we had a book contract and things here and there but after you
00:05:21.900were sentenced we had to formalize that uh in a job offer and your parole officer accepted it so
00:05:29.140we've been very careful these last six or seven months but you know what set off the bad guys
00:05:35.280when you went to to cover the fourth of july at the ambassador's house it was a legitimate
00:05:41.780journalistic event other media were there you applied as a journalist we and you know i remember
00:05:50.640talking to the embassy about it they said well she is a journalist she's attended other things
00:05:54.800like the canada strong and free conference so there's no reason as long as she complies with
00:05:59.500her rules there's no reason not to have you which is a very reasonable opinion to take but holy
00:06:05.500smokes was there an explosion in the brains of your critics because they i think they were
00:06:12.460outraged that you were invited to a fancy place even as a journalist like you were there you were
00:06:17.320there in your capacity as a journalist like it was it was a fun place to be i guess but you were
00:06:22.240yes i don't know if we've spoken about that tell us a little bit about that day through your eyes
00:06:28.920oh i mean it was an absolutely amazing day and a huge honor obviously to be invited as part of
00:06:35.960the rebel news group to go and attend this uh this event the fourth of july party and let me
00:06:40.800tell you that the americans certainly know how to do it right um i got to meet and talk to a lot of
00:06:46.520a lot of people both uh some of the mps that were there obviously i got a chance to speak to
00:06:51.580And again, you know, still so much support. I mean, I was at this event at the U.S. Ambassador's House and there was still people that were coming up to me and, you know, giving me a hug and shedding a few tears on my shoulder.
00:07:04.420so it was a busy day it was a fantastic day and again just an incredible honor to be there of
00:07:12.440course in order to make that work Ezra we had to jump you know we'll not jump through hoops but
00:07:17.140part of my conditions is to make sure that everything is logistically detailed from where
00:07:23.100I'm staying to what time I leave to go to that event per se how long I'm going to be there for
00:07:29.400what time i'm leaving to go back to my hotel so you know we did everything we did everything right
00:07:34.860but uh we did trigger quite a few people by my presence and i need to tell you um that a couple
00:07:40.680of days ago before my shift at the local food bank um the medicine at police service showed up at my
00:07:46.820house because they'd received a complaint uh that i was away from my residence between the fourth
00:07:52.860or first of july and the fourth of july and let me just say the interaction that i had with the
00:07:58.060officer that came was very positive um but that just goes to show you how triggered you know that
00:08:05.280event and my presence there uh made people to to phone and file a criminal complaint um because
00:08:12.940you think that i had somehow breached my conditions um as i said you know you know how diligent i've
00:08:20.260had to be for any event that i've had to attend just to leave my house um and so you know somebody
00:08:25.540has a bit of egg on their face uh put it that way you know i have a lot of thoughts on that i mean
00:08:30.580i suppose on the one hand it's not improper for authorities to check to make sure you're
00:08:36.360compliant but you i mean you had gone through every spot of that in fact i think the police
00:08:44.020should have called your parole officer first i think for them to go to your house and i know
00:08:49.200you said that the officer was apologetic but it's still a menacing thing and as you know we take
00:08:56.580great care in making sure you're compliant we we have someone a young lady named tasha who helps
00:09:02.960you whether whether it's booking flights or hotels and we report everything in advance like you say
00:09:09.060to the parole officer it's it's a very detailed itinerary and there's no wiggle room so for
00:09:14.220example after after the fourth of july you know if i would have said hey let's go out for a bite
00:09:20.340afterwards you can't do that because it's not pre-approved on your schedule so you're you know
00:09:26.080you you look like you know you're carrying yourself focused on the world but behind the scenes
00:09:30.760there's a lot of red tape that weird and listen we do it i'm not thrilled about it that that it's
00:09:37.280a rule applying to you but we follow that rule and by the way that's something that came up came
00:09:41.780up in court is the prosecutor was trying to say you don't think that she's actually guilty do you
00:09:46.760do you think she's a political prisoner yeah yeah i think she's a political prisoner yeah i disagree
00:09:52.080with her conviction but that doesn't mean i'm a lawbreaker i'm we're following the law anyhow it
00:09:58.120seemed like a pretty desperate attack from the prosecutors and i point out they sent a cop car
00:10:03.680to your home they had three prosecutors in ottawa only one was grilling me the other two were just
00:10:10.060billing and you compare the amount of assets that the government is still throwing at you
00:10:17.240because they didn't like the fact that you said hi to the ambassador which is perfectly legal
00:10:22.180compared to like the crime wave that's going on across the country especially in the big cities
00:10:27.100it's disgusting and by the way we should remind everybody that it's the provinces that run the
00:10:33.900prosecutors and the provinces in your case in alberta that runs the um the parole so this is
00:10:41.080not we can't blame this on mark carney by the way this is ontario province and alberta province
00:10:46.320anyways we we support you 100 and i'm excited because you've got another book coming out do
00:10:52.580you have a title in mind yet are you still working on that you know i've been putting a lot of thought
00:10:57.780into it since the last time that we talked about it. So I don't have anything concrete yet. It's
00:11:03.960hard. It's hard to title a book, honestly. It's harder than naming a child because there's going
00:11:09.700to be so much into it. But I think it'll be something along the lines of pushing back a
00:11:16.840little bit or perseverance. It's been quite a few years already since that bestselling book
00:11:23.320was released so uh so it covers a lot of you know the stuff that has happened to us afterwards the
00:11:29.460trial the results of the poec um of course my work with rebel news so yeah i i'm not sure what
00:11:36.600we're going to call it yet but it's definitely at the top of my mind to get to get that thing
00:11:40.240titled yeah well and and we were talking about this before just privately a week or so ago we
00:11:46.340think that we'll probably have the manuscript tidied up in the next month or so probably
00:12:44.900But it's the truth, Tamara, that in 2026, you don't need to go through the regime media anymore.
00:12:52.340You can go direct to the people on the internet, on social media, through Rebel News and other groups.
00:12:57.420And I am confident that your new book, and I think we'll get it out shortly after Labor Day, that's my guess, will be a bestseller as well.
00:13:07.220It'll be totally boycotted by the CBC and the Globe and Mail and the Toronto Star and all those big lefty papers.
00:13:13.620but i think the people like i mean i've seen it i've traveled with you people come up and say
00:13:18.860hello and they and they have messages for you that they've been carrying for years actually
00:13:24.760since uh since the covid days speaking of which um you know we're recording this on wednesday and
00:13:32.680this is going to air on the thursday show so today which by the time this airs will be yesterday
00:13:38.140uh anthony fauci the excuser of wuhan the chinese uh defender like he really really
00:13:51.140helped cover up what china did and he really steered the united states towards a draconian
00:13:58.020lockdown, I think not only was he dishonest and anti-American and anti-science, I think0.95
00:14:07.960his recommendations would have killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions, by whether
00:14:15.260it's mental illness, drug use, like all the terrible social consequences, let alone the
00:14:23.060medical consequences, the forced jabs, people being forced from their jobs, the economic
00:14:28.820consequences of the lockdowns, like the total social destruction that came from that man
00:14:34.900is unrivaled, I think, other than authoritarian dictators going to war. Like I think for a
00:14:43.080civilian, he is more responsible for death, destruction, pain, sorrow, loss. I can't think
00:14:52.120of any civilian who did more damage than anthony fauci and i'll i'll rack my brains a bit but
00:14:58.060whether it's you know um i'm just you know the uh i just cannot think of anyone i'm just racking
00:15:06.540my brains you were watching him in the u.s senate today because he was called to testify but he
00:15:13.180didn't say a word did he he refused to answer any question didn't he he invoked the fifth amendment
00:15:19.060111 times today um and i believe it was senator holly that put it best when he said silence is
00:15:28.820an admission um i i did get up very early to watch these proceedings today and i actually
00:15:34.100started re-watching them i will be putting a report together for rebel news on the hearings
00:15:37.880that took place today um but you know i have to admit ezra um during some of the questioning when
00:15:44.000one of the senators was talking about the lockdowns the damage that it did to our youth
00:15:47.960all the addictions all the things that you just mentioned people losing their jobs
00:15:51.760i got emotional um because it became very clear to me that the canadian truckers were right and
00:15:59.580they did the right thing and they were on the right side of history um uh senator rand paul
00:16:06.060rand paul sorry ended up actually um kicking out fauci's lawyer who was being disruptive so very
00:16:13.640early on in the proceedings, he had him escorted out by security. But it was very scathing. All of
00:16:20.860the senators had great questions. Of course, the Democratic senators, there was Peters,
00:16:25.780Blumenthal, and Senator Kim, of course, all tried to defend him and support him,
00:16:31.320saying that he saved lives. But the truth of the matter is, well, actually, the mic drop moment of
00:16:36.440the entire hearing. I believe it was Senator Marino asked member or people that were in the
00:16:43.680courtroom or the hearing room to stand up if they had lost their jobs, if they had been canceled or
00:16:48.940vilified by their stance and questioning the science. And they stood up and he asked Fauci
00:16:56.180to turn around and look them in the eye and he refused. Can you do me a favor in the audience
00:17:00.700and stand up if during the time of the COVID pandemic, you were called a racist for calling0.98
00:17:08.500the virus a Wuhan virus or the China virus, if you thought the six-foot rule was total crap,0.95
00:17:14.900if you thought the vaccine wasn't something that you should take, if you thought it was outrageous0.89
00:17:19.900the way the mask policy was rolled out, if you were fired from your job for not taking that vaccine,
00:17:27.040including members of the military,1.00
00:17:29.320if you thought closing schools was catastrophically stupid0.99
00:17:33.180and that you thought that during these times1.00
00:17:36.240saying these things made you somehow a lesser human being.
00:17:44.800Dr. Frederick, can you just turn around
00:18:25.320Yeah. Well, you know, and that was the worst part for me, because, of course, I'm the boss of Rebel News, so I didn't have a boss saying, take the jab or you're fired. So I was actually not put to the ultimate test. It was one thing for me to be brave, but I worked for myself.
00:18:40.500there were millions of people who worked for a boss who would have said take the jab or lose
00:18:46.900your job that's your choice and i don't know you know i hope i never find out what i would do if i
00:18:53.320was actually in that position i think that millions of people submitted to a medical procedure they
00:18:59.960did not understand or or want because they were threatened and the the threatener in chief was
00:19:06.420anthony fauci and what what i hated the most like a little anecdote i and i told this story about
00:19:12.300four years ago five years ago near our studio here there's this there was this little italian
00:19:17.540bakery it's a fairly italian neighborhood italian and portuguese where our studio is so every
00:19:23.360morning all these italian men and they're they're tradesmen they're blue collar guys who work with
00:19:29.540stones and whatever but they got such a sense of fashion they would go in uh have an espresso bam
00:19:36.220have a little stem pillo grito band it was just fun fun italian morning um you know it was their
00:19:42.760daily daily move and i i was there too just because i worked right next door and i really
00:19:47.580enjoyed going to this bakery every morning just for a little espresso and just on my way
00:19:52.660and then the lockdown happened and i came in and they said where the where's your uh id where's
00:20:02.420your proof of jab i said it's me you've seen me a hundred times it's just me it's just me i'm not
00:20:09.360sick you have to leave and what they were friends sort of i mean and and how many people how many
00:20:20.460relationships were snipped how many people turned against each other that's just a business and a
00:20:26.740customer how many places said you have to leave how many families were pitted against each other
00:20:32.400how many bosses and employees were turned into enemies how many families were split
00:20:37.760in two i heard many stories of a husband who had one view on covid and a wife who had another view
00:20:44.820and it broke up the family because they were arguing about what should be the future of the
00:20:48.260kid so you can't even measure what is the unit of measurement for sorrow and for home breaking
00:20:56.780and for ruining i mean my story of the local bakeries is nothing it's not i mean i obviously
00:21:04.660i've never been back there in fact they've gone on business since then compare that to families
00:21:09.180that that were put at each other over this we will never know the total cost of anthony fauci
00:21:17.020yeah you're exactly right and of course you know families divided parents that don't speak to
00:21:23.740their children grandparents that don't get to see their grandchildren because of this split
00:21:28.600and you know what the diaries what the fauci diaries are revealing is a man that was obsessed
00:21:35.140with his own image and his own reputation we're talking about a doctor that was lobbying um well
00:21:41.120he had federal governments and taxpayer money lobbying to to receive awards um you know with
00:21:47.760a million dollars in cash awards with those awards um we he knew that the vaccine wasn't
00:21:54.280safe and effective he talked about that he was talking about the side effects he was talking
00:21:58.040about being worried about catching covid even though he was vaccinated um so it's really
00:22:03.940revealing we have a gentleman here that was you know at the face of covid he said he was the
00:22:10.000science you're really attacking not only dr anthony fauci you're attacking science science and the
00:22:16.780truths are being attacked under the advice of my attorneys i will invoke my right under the fifth
00:22:23.960amendment of the constitution to refrain from answering your questions that literally lied0.57
00:22:31.300he was lying the entire time um he's revealed himself to be a complete narcissist um people
00:22:39.000have died we have vaccine injured people now that suffered as a result like you said there's um
00:22:44.020We have mental health issues. We have addictions issues. We have children that are developmentally delayed or educationally delayed because they were not allowed in school for two years. I mean, I think you recall that teenage boy that was tasered in Calgary for skating and playing shinny on the ice. And stuff like that happened to citizens based on what this guy was telling the public. And what's being revealed now is that it was all a bunch of lies.
00:23:12.680Yeah. I remember that kid, Ocean Weisblatt. He was outside. It was an outside skating rink. He was by himself. And the police attacked him. By the way, it was a public skating facility and it was marked open. I remember that kid. I just couldn't believe it.
00:23:30.140But that was no different than when we saw in California, people sitting by themselves on the beach, a mile from anyone else, and police would go.0.97
00:23:37.380I mean, in Toronto, the stupidest city in Canada, they would make little white circles on the park, and you had to stay in your circle if you were allowed in the park at all.0.96
00:23:50.280And, you know, and Fauci said, I am the science.1.00
00:24:07.820She would just sort of echo whatever Fauci said, whatever the World Health Organization said.
00:24:11.900Why do you need to pay someone half a million bucks a year who's just a repeater for the UN or the World Health Organization or Anthony Fauci?
00:24:22.720But as you correctly remember, it was the truckers who finally broke the fever.
00:24:29.040And it's my estimate, and I'd like your thought on this because I don't know if I've ever put this to you.
00:24:34.960I think probably 100,000 people actually participated in the convoy at one point or another, in one place or another, whether for a day or a week.
00:24:45.760Obviously not 100,000 went to Ottawa, but over the course of the time, that's my estimate.
00:24:50.940And I think 1 million people saw it unfiltered with their eyes.
00:24:57.880i remember even in toronto people were lining up on the overpasses to watch the convoy pass
00:25:03.880underneath because they wanted to see something real for once as opposed to the propaganda being
00:25:10.380pumped out by the regime media let me throw one more anecdote at you the reason we're recording
00:25:15.480this one day early is because tomorrow i'm going out to amish country as you know rebel news is
00:25:20.320helping the amish they're still fighting their fines they had enormous fines because they didn't0.51
00:25:26.280use the arrive can app you probably know that amish don't use they don't use technology so they0.96
00:25:31.560would arrive in canada they go back and forth across the border they'd arrive and they would1.00
00:25:35.160be asked have you downloaded the arrive can app to your smartphone these are amish they don't use1.00
00:25:42.440smartphones they don't know what downloading an app is so we're still helping them they're still0.99
00:25:47.400being uh bullied but i remember talking to the the head of their steering committee and i said
00:25:53.960what was, what was COVID like here in Amish country? And I tell you, he barely understood
00:26:00.900what I meant because he said, oh, nothing. And stop and think about it. I mean, these are healthy
00:26:06.860people. They work outside all the time, lots of physical labor. So they're, they're very, very fit.
00:26:11.240I've never seen a fat Amish, but where did the fear come from? It came from your phone0.99
00:26:18.900or your tv whatever you used to that's how you knew to be terrified that's how the the fear was
00:26:26.000injected in you and the mask mandate had nothing to do with help health it was a reminder like
00:26:33.460flying a flag time to be afraid if you see someone with a mask you're reminded oh we're in a
00:26:39.100time to panic so in a community that never wore masks that never took the jab and most importantly
00:26:47.760was not subjected to 24 7 365 propaganda they didn't notice it like he barely understood what
00:26:58.420i meant when i said how did covet affect you well what do you mean like it didn't
00:27:04.180we because because what you and i remember about covet was not someone getting the flu maybe maybe
00:27:10.240you met someone who got the flu or whatever right we remember the 24 7 psyop the battle for your0.95
00:27:18.120mind and the amish were immune to that because they don't follow the same crap we do online0.97
00:27:23.780tamara isn't that crazy yeah it is crazy it is crazy but you know you know that that's it's very0.95
00:27:31.020indicative of a bigger problem so yes certainly we have you know anthony fauci who lied uh you
00:27:36.940know he was telling people to to delete documents um there's going to be they're going to have a
00:27:41.620vote next week just to to uh talk about holding him in contempt because he didn't answer today
00:27:46.800um but we can't forget that the media and politicians were complicit in carrying his
00:27:52.420message the mainstream media um journal who should have been doing journalism and asking
00:27:57.580the tough questions refused to do so instead they simply kept repeating his propaganda and his lies
00:28:04.580um as did you know well our prime minister the our former prime minister questioned whether
00:28:12.160people like me should even be tolerated right you know so this was all perpetuated they perpetuated
00:28:18.300all all of the all of these lies and and all of this harm so you know yes i believe anthony fauci0.60
00:28:23.760should be held accountable for his actions and i hope he does um this pardon to me is ridiculous
00:28:29.560based on what is coming to light about the actions that this man took um but the other people that
00:28:36.540were also complicit and aided and abetted in my opinion um need to be held to account also you
00:28:42.580know i i've said this before um but it's been a while since i thought of it every check and
00:28:49.920balance in our system failed at the same time the opposition did not oppose you might remember
00:28:55.280that erin o'toole was in total harmony with all this in fact there was an election during covet
00:29:01.060times and all five of the party leaders sort of held hands and said get a jab like they they all
00:29:06.900filmed this public service announcement together because they were all in total harmony there was
00:29:10.960no meaningful difference there was an ontario debate same thing they all agreed with each other
00:29:15.280so there was no opposition to oppose so parliament was broken no court struck anything down in fact
00:29:22.980they refused to hear many of the key cases so the courts failed uh doctors like the colleges
00:29:29.380of physicians and surgeons silenced any doctors who had a second opinion um you know the media
00:29:36.940went total propaganda mode absolute propaganda and they were given enormous grants by the
00:29:42.880government to do so so every other every force that was supposed to be a check on power was bought
00:29:50.780off or out of fear went along with it and i think the lesson that every politician learned was
00:29:57.520you can get away with it justin trudeau was re-elected doug ford was re-elected in fact
00:30:03.120the only person who lost his job was not because of a general election it was jason kenny because
00:30:08.740his own party was so sick of his heavy-handedness including going after i it was so bizarre to me
00:30:14.240that jason kenny who was once a champion for religious freedom really leaned on the church's
00:30:20.020arrested pastors harsher than any other pro that was so shocking to me and not just arthur
00:30:25.480patlovsky but uh grace life church near edmonton and pastor stevens in calgary heartbreaking
00:30:31.840heartbreaking and i don't know unfortunately the lesson learned by so many people was
00:30:38.620you can scare you can declare an emergency and and take away civil and well there's another
00:30:44.960failure where was the civil liberties group justice center for constitutional freedom
00:30:48.580they were there and we helped uh with the democracy fund but where were all the traditional
00:30:54.700civil liberties group the canadian civil liberties association they hit the snooze button for five
00:30:59.660years yeah they certainly did and uh and like i said again you know well you got to think of even
00:31:06.920the doctors the professionals that you just mentioned you know the people that were actually
00:31:10.420pushing back though were completely canceled um they were smeared think about the doctors you
00:31:16.100know um based on fauci's fauci's um mandates that lost their licenses yeah um that are still
00:31:23.620being persecuted there's been like you said the pastors the pastors were being arrested for just
00:31:30.180trying to hold a service yeah you know one of the worst was actually in ontario where the police
00:31:36.680stormed into a church that was having a religious ceremony that's against the law by the way section
00:31:44.160176.2 of the criminal code says it is a crime to disrupt a religious gathering a crime and yet
00:31:52.660um they really literally stormed into it i felt like i was watching something colorized
00:32:00.460from maybe world war ii a video clip it was just terrible uh we did a documentary on that
00:32:06.200sheila gun reed was the emcee of a documentary called church under fire and uh it was actually
00:32:11.520i most uh watched documentary because it was the most shocking of them all well um you know what
00:32:20.660rebel news was sort of reborn for the mission of covid we didn't know it at the time but before
00:32:28.160that we were deplatformed and we were demonetized and we were you know marginalized and all they
00:32:34.820and all those things we didn't know it in 2018 2019 that that was to get us ready for the fight
00:32:42.020of our lives and so because they had already taken everything away from us because our youtube ads
00:32:47.080were down to zero because we were already persona non grata by erin o'toole the leader of the
00:32:52.140conservative party what was there left to do to us you know you could only you know you've already
00:32:56.320carried through all your threats so we were able god bless it with the support of our viewers
00:33:01.900to be a contrary voice and i remember something i told our people quite often i played a short
00:33:08.140video clip i don't know if you and i have ever talked about it and i know some of our viewers
00:33:12.680know what i'm talking about it's it's called the ash conformity test did you and i ever talk about
00:33:16.960that you know what i'm talking about i don't think so yeah there were a series of psychological
00:33:20.980studies done in the 50s and 60s and 70s to try and understand what went wrong in nazi germany
00:33:26.320you know that you know mass formation psychology how can so many people go along with something
00:33:31.960that's so like we look back at covid and said oh my god you were arresting people for sitting by
00:33:37.460themselves on a beach what went in your head you were a snitch calling police on your neighbors
00:33:43.980because they didn't have a mat like the crazy snitchery that was going on like you could see0.80
00:33:49.380how the kgb got informed like it was stasi stuff but so solomon ash was the name of a professor
00:33:56.580who who tried something called the conformity test and it was basically to test how easy or
00:34:05.060hard it is for people to go along with something that they know is wrong and i can try and explain
00:34:10.480it to you but instead i do know this one let me play a well three minute video on youtube which
00:34:16.120tells the story much better than i could in the same period of time so let me just show it to you
00:34:21.400but come right back because there's a lesson in the ash conformity test that i want to share so
00:34:25.640here take a quick look at the this is an old-timey video of the ash conformity test but an experiment
00:34:31.440is not a public opinion paul it examines behavior under the pressure of social forces as the
00:34:36.940experiment of solomon ash reveals the experiment you'll be taking part in today involves the
00:34:41.900perception of lengths of lines. As you can see here, I have a number of cards, and on each card
00:34:48.000there are several lines. Your task is a very simple one. You're to look at the line on the left
00:34:53.180and determine which of the three lines on the right is equal to it in length. All right, we'll
00:34:57.720proceed in this order. You'll give your answer. Only one of the people in the group is a real
00:35:01.480subject, the fifth person with the white t-shirt. The others are confederates of the experimenter
00:35:06.880have been told to give wrong answers on some of the trials the experiment begins uneventfully as
00:35:12.880subjects give their judgments two two two two two three three three three but on the third trial
00:37:17.400Although subjects report warmth and good feeling toward the partner,
00:37:20.460they typically deny that he played a role in their own independence.
00:37:24.200The partnership variation shows that much of the power of the group came not merely from its numbers, but from the unanimity of its opposition.
00:37:33.200When that unanimity is punctured, the group's power is greatly reduced.
00:37:37.200Sometimes we go along with the group because what they say convinces us they are right.
00:37:43.200This is called informational conformity.
00:37:46.200But sometimes we conform because we are apprehensive that the group will disapprove if we are deviant.
00:37:54.200The strength of the normative factor is shown in another variation carried out by Ash.
00:38:00.200In this variation, the subject is told that because he had arrived late, you would have to write his answers.
00:38:06.200Subjects in this private response experiment are exposed to the same amount of misleading information as other subjects,
00:38:12.200but they are immune from any possible criticism by the group.
00:38:15.200one one one and this enormously reduces the pressure to conform conformity
00:38:23.080drops by two-thirds ashes experiment is a classic it reveals how people will
00:38:29.840deny what they see and submit to group pressure it allows us not only to
00:38:34.320observe conformity but to study the conditions that increase or reduce its
00:38:38.820occurrence well you'll notice that when professor ash gave the naive participant at confederate he
00:38:47.480called them like an ally one other person to tell the truth then conformity fell what did he say to
00:38:53.900five or ten percent so people conform when when because they don't want to be the only one who's
00:38:59.520a dissenter but if there's someone else who's a dissenter with them then they get much more courage
00:39:06.420because they're not the only one right when you're the only one who said well can i really
00:39:12.680be right and everyone else wrong like you start to doubt yourself and by the way it's a good it's
00:39:17.580a good thing you know we shouldn't be you know uh dissonance every moment of our lives we should
00:39:22.940think are we doing the right thing but if there's another voice saying you know what this is crazy
00:39:26.680okay now you know that you're not alone you know that you're not crazy other people have the same
00:39:31.340view they had a false consciousness of unanimity that's why they had all five party leaders hold
00:39:36.160hands knew the PSA that's why they insisted all that's why they needed to silence even independent
00:39:42.500marginal voices like rebel news because a single voice saying no this is madness is enough to give
00:39:48.840other people confirmation that they're not mad that they're not mad and and that was the role
00:39:54.660rebel news played rebel news by doing our best to tell the truth gave people knowledge that they
00:40:02.820weren't alone that it's not unanimous that there is a way to fight back there are facts and arguments
00:40:08.720and don't feel alone and that was such a valuable thing and people still tell me that that was the
00:40:15.060value of what we did during covet times and we made friends in places who weren't friends with
00:40:21.220us before people of all back we had a guy from the green party come and work for us because he
00:40:25.960thought the green party was against big pharma liberals who said i thought the liberals believed
00:40:31.300in my body my choice we had ndp well i thought the ndp believed in collective agreements and not
00:40:37.280letting the boss man force workers to have a jab to keep their job if that's not in the collective
00:40:43.080agreement that was bargained for like it was a non-partisan thing people across the spectrum
00:40:49.420had reasons to object it was a terrible time and to see fauci again brings back those bad memories
00:40:56.540But we cannot forget what was done because those who forget the past are destined to repeat it.
00:41:03.800And well, as you were, it's very go ahead.
00:41:06.920I was just going to say it's also very indicative of, you know, the issues because the people that refuse to conform or didn't conform are the ones like me and Chris and other Freedom Convoy participants and supporters that are being, you know, that are going through the prosecutorial system, like the legal system right now.
00:41:26.540You know, like not people like that would that were that were enforcing those unlawful and unconstitutional mandates.
00:41:35.160Right. You know, one of the tactics of the Democracy Fund was to take an enormous number of cases to overwhelm the system.
00:41:44.000And in fact, I think I'd have to check, but in it took, I think, fourteen hundred cases to do with the Arrive Can app.
00:41:51.180and when you say to a prosecutor okay we're going to have 1400 trials we're not going to pay the
00:41:57.460fine we're not going to settle you better start building more courthouses and hiring more
00:42:02.220prosecutors and more judges so the sheer number like the system requires 90 percent of people
00:42:08.260to plead guilty you don't have enough courts and prosecutors if everyone says no i want a trial
00:42:12.300oh and by the way i'm making constitutional arguments so the democracy fund one of its
00:42:16.780strategies was strength in numbers and that's why the government went after you and chris who
00:42:23.300were trying to narrow zero in on you guys as the social and moral leaders of it and it's been a
00:42:31.560pleasure to assist with crowdfunding to cover your illegals because we hired a great lawyer
00:42:36.640lawrence greenspawn and by the way it's not just him it's his team um and the government has spent
00:42:43.280It wouldn't surprise me if the total cost of prosecuting you was $10 million.