Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Poll reveals conservatives massively support amnesty for people charged with lockdown tickets

00:00:00.000 did something unusual. I commissioned a public opinion poll with the prestigious pollster called

00:00:07.360 Leger. You've probably heard of them. They're the largest Canadian pollster. And I spent 4,000 bucks

00:00:11.900 doing it because I wanted something that was the pedigree, the authority of it was unquestionable.

00:00:16.820 And I asked the question, should Danielle Smith give an amnesty to all the pastors and small

00:00:24.340 business people she's prosecuting, what the Alberta government is prosecuting in that province?

00:00:29.200 And I'll give you the results. It's very interesting poll. You'll want to watch this show.

00:00:35.000 But first, let me invite you to come become a subscriber to Rebel News Plus. That's the

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00:00:47.120 for out here. So please go to rebelnewsplus.com. All right, here's today's show. Tonight, a new poll

00:00:52.840 shows that conservatives massively support giving amnesty to people charged with lockdown tickets.

00:00:58.600 It's November 7th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:05.380 Let me get straight to the news. It is a new public opinion poll conducted by the largest Canadian

00:01:11.180 owned pollster in Canada. Leger is the name of the company. You've probably heard of them.

00:01:16.440 I tell you that because it wasn't a homemade poll. It's not one of those little online surveys that

00:01:20.460 you do that sort of self-selected. We paid $4,000 to Leger for this survey. Frankly, if you can help me

00:01:27.540 cover the cost of it, please do. You can see the entire poll, all of it, at lockdownamnesty.com.

00:01:34.360 And I think you'll see why we decided to pay for this poll and to have it done by a big national

00:01:39.380 independent professional pollster. Because it shows what I knew would be the case, but that I needed

00:01:45.800 someone who wasn't partisan to prove. In fact, Leger does plenty of government work, so you know

00:01:51.720 they're not anti-government activists. And yet this poll has incredible news. I won't keep you in

00:01:56.480 suspense for another minute. The question put to 1,000 Albertans was, do you support or oppose

00:02:03.200 Premier Danielle Smith's campaign proposal to stop prosecuting pastors and small business owners

00:02:10.000 for offenses during the COVID-19 lockdowns and mandates? I think it's a pretty clear question.

00:02:16.480 And the answer was powerful. Look at this. 73% of Albertans who say they're supporters of the UCP,

00:02:23.020 that's the United Conservative Party over there, 73% say they support that. In fact, 51% say they

00:02:30.200 believe that strongly. For comparison, Smith herself won the leadership with 53.77% of Alberta

00:02:38.380 Conservatives for her own leadership vote just last month. So this proposal is actually even more

00:02:44.700 popular with her party than she herself was at last month's contest. I'll give you more information

00:02:50.280 from this poll in a moment, including the bad news in it. But just stop for a moment and marvel at that

00:02:55.560 statistic. 73% of Alberta Conservatives are against prosecuting pastors and small businesses. 51% of

00:03:02.700 them are actually appalled by the idea. Isn't that funny? 50%. Because when Jason Kenney lost his

00:03:09.000 leadership earlier this year, it was about by that same margin. Half of party members voted against him.

00:03:14.680 I bet a lot of them are the same people. Could be the same half, right? I know in my bones that the 1.00

00:03:20.660 lockdown is becoming more unpopular every day that passes. It was awful when it happened, but so many

00:03:25.440 people supported it out of fear or out of profit or out of ignorance. And so many people went along

00:03:31.060 with it in the name of being a good citizen or obedient or conformity or just doing the Canadian

00:03:35.700 thing. But really, this poll suggests that people didn't actually ever support it. They were just scared

00:03:41.260 into silence or obedience or the media just didn't ask the right questions or no one commissioned the

00:03:45.880 poll, or if they did, they didn't publish it. But now that the crisis has passed, we can see how

00:03:50.960 useless the lockdowns were and frankly, how damaging they were economically to mental health, to kids

00:03:56.160 schooling, how abusive the enforcement was. Just a reminder, let me show you a montage of abusive

00:04:01.640 lockdown policing, which in itself is a scandal. Since when do armed police execute health orders?

00:04:08.840 Here's a reminder of what the government did and what they said just a year, not even a year ago. Take a look.

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00:04:24.420 and look.

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00:04:33.140 I can't go on me!

00:04:37.140 I can't go on me!

00:04:39.140 Don't! 0.57

00:04:41.140 I can't go on!

00:05:03.140 I can't go on me!

00:05:05.140 Er wordt iemand helemaal in elkaar getrokken.

00:05:09.140 Er wordt iemand helemaal in elkaar getrokken!

00:05:11.140 Kom, hierheen! 0.97

00:05:15.140 Ja! 0.78

00:05:17.140 Driem, driem! 0.92

00:05:19.140 Er wordt iemand helemaal...

00:05:21.140 Weet jeinary, weet je!

00:05:23.140 Weet je niets! 1.00

00:05:25.140 Deze, weet je ook! 1.00

00:05:27.140 Weet je! 0.99

00:05:29.140 Weet je, weet je! 0.98

00:05:31.140 Right

00:06:01.140 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

00:06:31.140 Yeah, what an international embarrassment. You can see politicians running away from what they said and did all around the world, even in Florida, the least locked down state in America where Governor Ron DeSantis is cruising to re-election. His Democrat opponent, who absolutely supported the lockdowns, is bizarrely trying to smear DeSantis as a locker downer. It makes no sense other than even the Democrats know that lockdowns were a public policy disaster and now it's going to become a political disaster for them.

00:06:58.800 Well, Ron, that's rich. You're the only governor in the history of Florida that's ever shut down our schools. You're the only governor in the history of Florida that shut down our businesses.

00:07:08.300 I never did that as governor. You're the one who's the shutdown guy. We need to have somebody who is at the helm that understands it's important to listen to science, to do what's right, to utilize common sense.

00:07:20.580 You don't just shut down at the outset and then when it's, you know, politically convenient for you, you want to open back up to store political points or you'll lose the president. That's not right. It's not what you can keep in the zone.

00:07:32.860 So my point back here in Canada is any government that is still enforcing lockdown laws is on the wrong side of history.

00:07:40.740 Even Justin Trudeau grudgingly entered the Arrive Can app, which is a form of lockdownism.

00:07:46.080 I can say this based on my knowledge of the 2100 lockdown cases that the Democracy Fund is representing of people charged with everything from mask violations to anti-gathering rules.

00:07:54.840 The police and the prosecutors just don't want these to go to trial. Some of these are cases that are now more than two years old and they just haven't gone to court.

00:08:02.900 Maybe the prosecutors have real things to do instead, like prosecute actual criminals, or maybe they don't want the embarrassment of losing court cases, even having some of their lockdown orders declared unconstitutional and illegal.

00:08:14.280 What a black eye that would be. But mainly, I think the lockdown politicians just want everyone to forget what they did to us, except in Alberta, weirdly.

00:08:22.440 What should be the freest province, strong and free. That's Alberta's official motto, by the way.

00:08:28.440 The most conservative electorate, they say. And yet, that's the province that's been the most abusive in terms of prosecuting people.

00:08:35.600 People who kept their churches open or small businesses open. Just, it was crazy.

00:08:39.200 Walmart and Costco and the liquor stores and the marijuana stores, they were all kept open.

00:08:43.460 They were called essential services, but funerals and weddings and churches and mom and pop shops were ordered closed on pain of prison.

00:08:52.440 I mean, look at this SWAT team-style takedown of Arthur Pawlowski, the Christian pastor.

00:08:57.440 Do it the Nazi style. 0.96

00:09:01.240 Do it the Nazi style! 0.99

00:09:03.740 Do it the Taser! 1.00

00:09:05.100 Kill me! 1.00

00:09:11.440 All that for a health order? 1.00

00:09:14.260 Because he didn't close his church door?

00:09:16.020 Or this guy, another pastor, Tim Stevens, same sort of thing.

00:09:18.880 He was served, and then you had that gathering on June the 6th.

00:09:23.880 Yep.

00:09:24.380 Okay? So that's what you're under arrest for.

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00:09:52.880 No other jurisdiction is imprisoning pastors for breaking health orders.

00:09:55.880 Again, I'm not going to speak to that, okay?

00:09:56.880 In Canada.

00:09:57.880 Okay.

00:09:58.880 It's only Alberta.

00:09:59.880 I would say...

00:10:00.880 Bye, Daddy!

00:10:01.880 Bye, guys!

00:10:02.880 Can you guys share maybe why Jason Kenney gets a free pass and you're arresting pastors

00:10:06.880 across the province?

00:10:07.880 Any comment?

00:10:08.880 Any emotion for this family whatsoever?

00:10:09.880 No, you're just going to drive off just like that.

00:10:10.880 Is this why you became a police officer?

00:10:11.880 No, sorry, I did not.

00:10:12.880 Have a good day.

00:10:13.880 I think those two video clips alone probably cost Jason Kenney 10 minutes.

00:10:14.880 You're just going to drive off just like that.

00:10:15.880 Is this why you became a police officer?

00:10:16.880 No, sorry.

00:10:17.880 I did not.

00:10:18.880 Have a good day.

00:10:19.880 I think those two video clips alone probably cost Jason Kenney 10 minutes.

00:10:22.880 For the police, for the minister of health who brought in the order.

00:10:23.880 And you're just going to drive off just like that.

00:10:25.880 And you're just going to drive off just like that.

00:10:27.880 Is this why you became a police officer?

00:10:29.880 No, sorry, I did not.

00:10:30.880 Have a good day.

00:10:31.880 I think those two video clips alone probably cost Jason Kenney 10% of his support during

00:10:37.880 the leadership review.

00:10:39.880 As well it should have.

00:10:40.880 By the way, just last week, Pastor Tim's case went to trial.

00:10:43.880 And the judge threw it out hard.

00:10:45.880 I mean, it was embarrassing for the government.

00:10:47.880 For the prosecutors, for the police, for the minister of health who brought in the order.

00:10:52.880 Others against that Christian pastor.

00:10:54.880 His name is Tyler Shandro.

00:10:56.880 Who now happens to be the justice minister under Daniel Smith.

00:10:59.880 Which raises an interesting question.

00:11:01.880 Is there a conflict interest here?

00:11:03.880 Is he following through on these lockdown prosecutions just to save face since he was

00:11:07.880 the health minister who came up with these nasty orders in the first place?

00:11:11.880 Not just pastors, of course.

00:11:13.880 Many small businesses too.

00:11:14.880 Like Chris Codd, the owner of the Whistle Stop Diner in Mirror, Alberta.

00:11:18.880 The only restaurant and gas station and general store in his whole town.

00:11:21.880 And Jason Kenney and Tyler Shandro ordered him shut down.

00:11:24.880 And when he wouldn't, they threw him in jail.

00:11:27.880 They put him in jail.

00:11:28.880 Maximum security.

00:11:29.880 Who would support that?

00:11:31.880 Well, according to Leger, 20% of UCP conservatives in the province actually do support prosecuting

00:11:38.880 Chris Scott.

00:11:39.880 20% do.

00:11:41.880 Those are the Tyler Shandro conservatives.

00:11:44.880 But here's the darker part of the poll.

00:11:46.880 I told you there was bad news in it too.

00:11:48.880 The province is not just made up of conservatives.

00:11:51.880 There are socialists there too.

00:11:53.880 Remember the last premier before Kenny was an NDP extremist named Rachel Notley.

00:11:57.880 I call her extremist, for example, because she used to literally wear a wristwatch with a picture of a communist murderer named Che Guevara on it.

00:12:04.880 Just atrocious.

00:12:06.880 Obviously, Notley and the NDP cheered on the prosecution and persecution of small businesses and churches.

00:12:12.880 The NDP socialists have never had much time for either group in society.

00:12:16.880 Notley and the NDP raged against ending the lockdowns.

00:12:19.880 They didn't want to end the mask rules either.

00:12:21.880 They actually still want masks in schools.

00:12:23.880 They're still calling for that right now.

00:12:25.880 So what do you think the NDP supporters in the province told the pollster when that question was asked to them of Leger?

00:12:31.880 Do you support or oppose Premier Danielle Smith's campaign proposal to stop prosecuting pastors and small business owners for offenses during the COVID-19 lockdowns and mandates?

00:12:40.880 Well, the answer is the mirror opposite.

00:12:43.880 As I told you, 73% of conservatives want amnesty for churches and small businesses.

00:12:49.880 But the NDP, 86% of them say, no, they should be prosecuted.

00:12:55.880 86%.

00:12:56.880 But of course, this was the ruling class.

00:12:59.880 This was the lockdown class.

00:13:00.880 These were government workers who actually didn't work, but they still got paid.

00:13:04.880 They got paid to have a staycation and catch up on Netflix shows.

00:13:07.880 These were the bosses.

00:13:09.880 These were the cops, the inspectors, the enforcers.

00:13:11.880 They love the lockdown.

00:13:13.880 They want it back.

00:13:14.880 Frankly, I told you that story the other day of a single public health office in Toronto that's laying off more than 400 COVID bureaucrats next year.

00:13:21.880 They still have plenty more, by the way, but they're letting go of 400.

00:13:24.880 Who, who's still on the payroll today?

00:13:27.880 A COVID bureaucrat.

00:13:28.880 These aren't actual nurses or doctors.

00:13:30.880 They're just scolds and paper pressers. 1.00

00:13:33.880 That's the NDP's base in Alberta.

00:13:35.880 That's who wants small businesses and pastors prosecuted. 1.00

00:13:38.880 Because small businesses and pastors, well, that's sort of the UCP base, isn't it?

00:13:43.880 Now, that's what we call a divided province.

00:13:46.880 The left wants to punish pastors and small businesses.

00:13:49.880 They cheered when Pastor Arthur was arrested.

00:13:52.880 They loved it.

00:13:53.880 They cheered when Trudeau brought in martial law.

00:13:55.880 They loved it.

00:13:56.880 Danielle Smith actually keeps her campaign promise to call off the prosecutions.

00:14:00.880 Well, those people will be mad at her. 0.98

00:14:02.880 They'll be furious.

00:14:04.880 But here's the obvious political point.

00:14:06.880 They already are furious with her.

00:14:08.880 There is no change that these NDP supporters would ever, in a million years, nothing would make them vote for Danielle Smith.

00:14:15.880 Never.

00:14:16.880 Never happened.

00:14:17.880 Not just because of her take on the lockdowns, but her take on everything else.

00:14:20.880 From fighting against environmentalist crazies to standing up to Trudeau.

00:14:23.880 These people hate her deep in their DNA.

00:14:26.880 Those 86% of NDPers would never, ever, in a million years, ever consider voting for Danielle Smith anyways.

00:14:33.880 So from a political math point of view, who cares if they're mad about this?

00:14:38.880 But in one fell swoop, Smith could turn the page on the dark era of lockdowns, distinguish herself from Jason Kenney, give a huge win to the party base, recalibrate the province on civil liberties back to where it should be, and free up millions of dollars in police and prosecutorial resources to, you know, go after real criminals instead.

00:14:57.880 And more than any of that, she would prove that she can get things done, that she is not trapped by the inertia of the province's permanent bureaucracy or Jason Kenney's overhanging staff and MLAs, that she isn't stopped by the Kenney-Knotley deep state, that she can make decisions and get action from the bureaucracy.

00:15:14.880 And she can show her party base that she keeps her promises, that she isn't cowed by the NDP and their agents in the media party.

00:15:22.500 I start with my own eyes, I've been in Alberta a lot lately, I was covering the leadership campaign for Smith, the real enemy to Danielle Smith is not Rachel Nodley, it is not even her internal leadership rivals from whom she has a truce, it's with the media, the CBC in particular, but also most other media in the province.

00:15:39.500 All the media loved the lockdowns, and they all got government bailouts during the lockdown.

00:15:45.340 They all believe in caressing power, not standing up to it, and when Smith ends these political prosecutions, they will howl, but let them howl, they're going to howl at her anyways, no matter what.

00:15:56.540 Let them howl in defense of lockdowns, let them make the case for putting pastors and small businessmen in prison.

00:16:01.680 Now, if you saw my show on Friday, you saw that I was down in Lethbridge, Alberta, for the ongoing prosecution of three truckers, completely peaceful men, who were being charged with mischief for being part of the trucker blockade at Coutts.

00:16:13.760 Three great guys, Marco, who's actually a local town counselor, real stand-up guy.

00:16:18.440 George, a good egg family man.

00:16:20.160 Alex, hard-working guy.

00:16:21.540 I really loved meeting them.

00:16:23.160 They're like Tamara Leach. 1.00

00:16:24.780 They're just like Tamara Leach, and Trudeau wanted to make an example out of her. 0.97

00:16:29.100 However, these three men, well, Kenny wants to make an example out of them, and Kenny's prosecutor, and I say that because the charges against these men were laid only in September, one of Kenny's last gasps.

00:16:41.540 Kenny's prosecutor is named Stephen Johnston, and I saw a news story where Johnston was prosecuting a rapist and told the judge that he should hand out a four-and-a-half-year sentence for the rapist, four-and-a-half years for the rapist,

00:16:55.400 and yet the same prosecutor is seeking 10 years each for these peaceful truckers.

00:17:00.280 That is insane.

00:17:01.320 That is out of sync with justice.

00:17:03.040 That is not in the public interest, and frankly, it likely will not win in court, just like the prosecutions against Pastor Tim and the ones so far against Pastor Arthur were eventually thrown out.

00:17:13.800 And Premier Danielle Smith can say that happened on the previous premier's watch, and that's 100% true, but every day it gets a little less true, doesn't it?

00:17:22.400 Every day the prosecutions of Pastor Arthur continue.

00:17:25.500 His next court case is in December.

00:17:28.960 Every day the prosecution of these three truckers continues.

00:17:32.340 Well, this becomes Danielle Smith's vendetta, not just Kenny's vendetta.

00:17:37.420 Even though Smith has no personal stake here, she has no beef with these guys.

00:17:41.500 For heaven's sakes, she gave a generous apology to lockdown victims just a couple weeks ago.

00:17:47.560 Hi, Ms. Smith.

00:17:48.320 Celine Gallis with Rebel News.

00:17:49.640 During your campaign, you said that not only would you issue an apology to those prosecuted during COVID restrictions, but you would also grant them amnesty.

00:17:57.160 When can we expect those apologies?

00:17:59.400 I can apologize right now.

00:18:00.840 I'm deeply sorry for anyone who was inappropriately subjected to discrimination as a result of their vaccine status.

00:18:11.660 I'm deeply sorry for any government employee that was fired from their job because of their vaccine status.

00:18:18.120 And I welcome them back if they want to come back.

00:18:21.360 As for the amnesty, I have to get some legal advice on that.

00:18:24.320 And so I've already asked my staff to request that advice so I can see how we would be able to proceed on that.

00:18:32.220 My view has been that these were political decisions that were made, and so I think that they could be political decisions to offer a reversal.

00:18:39.800 But I do want to get some legal advice on that first.

00:18:42.880 Would that also have to do with the timeline for the proposed amnesty?

00:18:46.880 I would have to see.

00:18:48.240 If I can do it, I will do it at the earliest opportunity.

00:18:51.420 So I'm hoping within the next week I'll get that legal advice.

00:18:55.800 Thank you.

00:18:58.960 That's a great apology.

00:19:00.320 These cases should be dropped.

00:19:01.600 It's the right thing to do legally.

00:19:03.220 It's not in the public interest to prosecute.

00:19:05.400 They won't win in the end.

00:19:07.300 They were the result of a political decision made by Kenny and Shandro.

00:19:11.480 They're wrong politically.

00:19:12.560 She promised she would end this, and she must.

00:19:15.160 And they're wrong morally.

00:19:16.420 Albertans do not jail pastors or truckers for being peaceful protesters.

00:19:19.420 Did you know that the Alberta government is using an anti-eco-terrorism law to go after Pastor Arthur Favlovsky for giving a sermon in support of the truckers?

00:19:28.660 Seriously.

00:19:29.640 The law has never been used before.

00:19:30.880 It's designed to stop Greenpeace from vandalizing pipelines.

00:19:34.420 And it's being twisted into a pretzel to go after a pastor giving a sermon?

00:19:38.340 What a disgrace.

00:19:39.340 Now, that's Kenny's disgrace.

00:19:41.300 But how long before it really is part of Smith's record?

00:19:44.120 Look, the election in Alberta is scheduled for May 29th in 2023.

00:19:49.160 That is barely six months away.

00:19:50.920 Smith needs to drop these charges quickly.

00:19:53.120 Just get it done.

00:19:54.080 Announce them as a fait accompli.

00:19:55.880 Not have this drag out for months.

00:19:57.560 Just do it.

00:19:59.220 And show the party base she's a promise keeper who can be trusted.

00:20:02.920 And she's not scared of the media party or being outmaneuvered by the Kenny factions in bureaucracy.

00:20:08.060 You know what?

00:20:10.280 Danielle Smith needs to be the DeSantis of Canada. 0.86

00:20:12.840 What Kenny should have been, but what he failed to be.

00:20:16.740 Read the poll for yourself.

00:20:17.660 Go to lockdownamnesty.com.

00:20:19.780 It's there in full.

00:20:20.800 If you can chip in a few bucks to help me cover the cost of this poll, please do.

00:20:24.240 I paid $4,000 plus tax for it.

00:20:27.340 You'll see more details in the poll.

00:20:29.480 Like the fact that a plurality of people in rural Alberta support dropping the charges against pastors and businessmen.

00:20:35.380 That's part of the province that Smith just has to win.

00:20:39.220 The poll also has a second question testing if every single charge in the province should be dropped.

00:20:44.320 Not just against pastors and business people, but also, for example, there's four men who were accused of some weapons offenses.

00:20:51.320 Not surprisingly, that poll question tested a little bit lower, but it was still supported by 67% of conservatives.

00:20:58.580 I think that second question gives Smith the path of a reasonable compromise.

00:21:02.140 Drop the charges against everyone in Alberta who is peaceful.

00:21:05.380 And have the Attorney General carefully reconsider any other cases.

00:21:10.220 They all need to be reinvestigated given that we know that this was all politically orchestrated.

00:21:14.360 And what we've learned from watching the Trucker Commission inquiry in Ottawa is that many things that the police said and did at the time were simply political talking points,

00:21:22.100 sometimes even drafted by outside PR agencies, not even by police.

00:21:25.940 So I don't think we can rely on the legitimacy of any lockdown prosecutions in Alberta.

00:21:30.240 But that first part, dropping it against pastors and businesses, that is a surefire winner, according to the survey.

00:21:38.600 If you agree, go to lockdownamnesty.com, read the poll, chip in to help cover if you can, and sign the petition to Danielle Smith herself.

00:21:47.240 That's lockdownamnesty.com.

00:22:00.340 Well, I got you talking about Alberta or thinking about Alberta.

00:22:03.400 We're going to try and get some lockdown amnesty out there.

00:22:05.840 I want to tell you, I mean, I mentioned that Rachel Notley, the former premier who wants to be premier again, she's a bit of an extremist. 0.99

00:22:13.680 And I don't say that lightly.

00:22:15.140 I say that because her caucus was full of extremists.

00:22:18.640 She herself was, I think you can call some of the communists if they revere Che Guevara, the communist murderer.

00:22:25.700 But remember, the NDP was such a fringe party in Alberta, going back to the dawn of time.

00:22:30.160 They were always, you know, in the single digits or low teens, and then suddenly they were swept to power in 2015.

00:22:37.140 And the people who won were accidental MLAs.

00:22:40.980 One of them was like a child.

00:22:43.020 I mean, he wasn't technically a child.

00:22:44.440 I think he was like 20.

00:22:45.960 Lived with his parents.

00:22:46.780 That's fine.

00:22:48.640 His name was Thomas Dang.

00:22:50.800 And when you elect someone who was just really a placeholder, who never thought they had a chance in a million of winning,

00:22:57.260 and suddenly wakes up one day in a position of power, you're going to get some unusual characters that were not vetted in any way.

00:23:03.600 I mean, Thomas Dang was doing the NDP a favor when he let his name stand in Edmonton South.

00:23:11.080 They never thought they'd win in Edmonton South.

00:23:13.840 And Thomas Dang, a man without character, experience, wisdom, or really any useful skills, became an MLA.

00:23:21.380 But I guess he did have one skill set that is, I guess, a little bit impressive when you look at it coldly, which is he's a computer hacker.

00:23:30.500 Or at least he knows how to hack websites.

00:23:33.660 And so the government of Alberta set up a vaccine database website as part of their vaccine passport system, their vaccine mandate system.

00:23:43.420 And young Thomas Dang took it upon himself to see if he could hack it, to see if he could get into it and enter someone's name and birthday and see if he could get their private health records.

00:23:58.580 This, of course, is a crime.

00:24:00.800 He did this not once, not twice.

00:24:04.420 He did this more than one million times.

00:24:07.180 So how did he do one million times?

00:24:08.220 Well, he obviously set up an automated system.

00:24:10.360 He claims that he did this wearing a white hat, not a black hat, that he was doing it as a good hacker, an ethical hacker, to show the government the holes in their system.

00:24:23.960 But, of course, that doesn't add up.

00:24:26.940 He was, of course, he didn't go to the government.

00:24:30.700 He told his own party what he was up to.

00:24:32.800 You don't do that.

00:24:33.480 Your party's on.

00:24:34.600 This is when Kenny was the premier.

00:24:36.900 Then he was in opposition.

00:24:37.960 While he is finally being prosecuted and convicted, and now he's being sentenced, no jail time for this criminal politician.

00:24:48.020 Joining us now to talk more about it is someone who lives in northern Alberta, our friend Sheila Gunn-Reed, our chief reporter.

00:24:53.300 Sheila, I don't know if I properly summed up the story here.

00:24:55.960 Thomas Dang was literally one of the, like when a high tide comes in and there's like all sorts of, like there's big logs and big ships, but there's like empty bottles of pop and masks.

00:25:05.420 And like little, you know, like garbage, like styrofoam cups that got washed ashore.

00:25:12.140 That's Thomas Dang.

00:25:13.380 He got washed ashore in the big orange way.

00:25:15.360 He's the rubber boot that fell off the fishing boat and he just came up with the driftwood.

00:25:19.820 That's exactly who he is.

00:25:21.980 And I think you downplayed it a little bit about just the extent of how much he searched.

00:25:27.860 It was definitely over a million, but I think it was 1.78 million searches of that database that he did.

00:25:37.200 That's almost every Albertan adult.

00:25:38.820 Like, I mean, there's four and a half million Albertans, I think.

00:25:40.980 So there's like two or three million adults.

00:25:44.020 Like he searched the half of Albertans.

00:25:46.560 Yes, he did.

00:25:47.340 And I guess the real controversy now is what did Rachel Notley know about all of this and when did she know it?

00:25:55.720 I know that the United Conservative Caucus has really been hammering on this.

00:25:58.860 And it was back in July that unsealed court records, or at least unsealed police investigation records, set up the timeline about when Dang was doing this.

00:26:12.980 And he was doing this last September.

00:26:17.220 And it came to light in December.

00:26:21.200 And the court records were ultimately unsealed, I guess, January 15th.

00:26:26.620 And Rachel Notley said in December when all of this came to light that she had just heard anecdotal reports that something like this had been happening back in September.

00:26:37.940 What does that even mean, an anecdotal report?

00:26:39.940 Like, you either know that Thomas Dang hacked it or you don't.

00:26:43.120 What's an anecdote?

00:26:44.360 Oh, I hear a rumor that Thomas Dang hacked the website.

00:26:48.260 Like, it's so specific.

00:26:49.560 What does that mean, anecdotal?

00:26:51.120 Well, from what I understand, according to these unsealed records, it means that her chief of staff knew.

00:26:57.940 It means that 20 minutes after Dang was able to confirm manually his own automated search, he called the chief of staff for Rachel Notley and let him know what he had done.

00:27:12.400 You do that.

00:27:12.920 So I find it very hard to believe that she didn't know one minute after that phone call in.

00:27:18.020 Well, the chief of staff is literally Rachel Notley's agent, her chief go-between.

00:27:24.240 It's not just that.

00:27:25.780 If you are a white hat hacker, oh, I'm just trying to expose the weaknesses in the system.

00:27:32.400 You call the government.

00:27:33.560 You call the people who run the website.

00:27:35.400 You call the police.

00:27:36.180 You don't call the head of partisan dirty tricks on your team.

00:27:41.760 You call your NDP chief of staff.

00:27:44.540 Hey, guys, look what I found out.

00:27:46.220 We can put this to our use somehow.

00:27:48.360 Like, why would you call the head of your party, your party's chief of staff, if you wanted to do the right thing for the world?

00:27:55.560 I mean, it's just such an implausible excuse that only the CBC would believe it.

00:27:59.980 Well, it gets even better.

00:28:00.600 The judge didn't believe it.

00:28:01.540 Let me put it that way.

00:28:02.220 The judge didn't believe it.

00:28:04.200 Definitely not.

00:28:04.980 And it gets even better because what you say is, you know, you don't have a crystal ball, but you probably have a crystal mind.

00:28:12.120 Because not only did he inform the chief of staff, but also Rachel Notley's communications director.

00:28:17.680 So they were actually figuring out how best to use this flaw in the system that Thomas Dang thought he had found, but ultimately was, you know, committing a criminal act that he should have known better because he was in government.

00:28:35.180 He knows that you have to protect private information and not go needling around for it.

00:28:39.360 But he's in trouble, I guess, now.

00:28:43.420 He won't see the inside of a jail cell.

00:28:45.880 And in Alberta, the mainstream media doesn't really care because, well, it's the NDP and they're up against the UCP and the completely homogenous media here in Alberta.

00:28:58.460 They're cheering for Rachel Notley as hard as they cheer for Justin Trudeau.

00:29:02.140 You know, again, I'm thinking of those three truckers in Lethbridge, completely peaceful, who for mischief, the Crown is seeking a 10-year term.

00:29:12.200 Here, the Crown wants a $10,000 fine.

00:29:15.260 And Dang's lawyer says, no, no, no, $4,000 fine.

00:29:18.000 You know, by the way, when I wrote my book, The Libranos, because I didn't register with the government, I was given a $3,000 fine.

00:29:26.420 So, like, it's laughable, the gentle slap on the wrist this guy gets for actually hacking a public database.

00:29:34.460 But it reminds you of why you can never trust the government. 0.76

00:29:37.240 I mean, they're so incompetent that they build a database with your most private health information and some loser NDP, MLA can hack it in minutes.

00:29:49.440 And there's a lot of reasons not to have a vaccine database, civil liberties, personal privacy, but because you simply can't trust the government with any confidential information.

00:29:59.680 You can only imagine how many times the Arrive Can app was hacked.

00:30:02.700 You can only imagine how many times the gun registry, when it was around, I guess it's still around, was hacked.

00:30:08.380 You can never trust the government to keep anything.

00:30:11.340 Do you doubt that Thomas Dang would hack the income tax database if he could?

00:30:18.060 Like, the guy is just a creepy voyeur.

00:30:20.080 He's a peeping Tom.

00:30:21.540 And imagine all the information the government had that he might have tried to get access to.

00:30:26.860 We don't even know what else he's done.

00:30:28.260 Well, yeah, and the more the government collects information about you, the more incompetent they are in protecting that information about you.

00:30:36.820 And the more your creep show political enemies will use that unsecured information to come after you.

00:30:45.460 Not only is Thomas Dang guilty of this by his own admission, but this happened to the trucker convoy.

00:30:51.400 All of their financial information was hacked and leaked by the banks.

00:30:57.360 And what's ever come of that?

00:30:59.820 Nothing.

00:31:00.560 At least Thomas Dang's getting a slap on the wrist here.

00:31:02.880 But the federal government used that illegally obtained information.

00:31:07.140 So did the mainstream media to go about doxing Justin Trudeau's political enemies.

00:31:11.520 Yeah, not just the 200 bank accounts that were seized, but of course, a hacker who claims to have permission from the RCMP hacked the entire Give, Send, Go $10 million donor database and put it online, much of which was posted around the Internet, even on telephone poles around Ottawa.

00:31:30.340 Complete impunity.

00:31:31.200 I'm sure he was telling the truth, that hacker.

00:31:33.540 Here's just a flashback to that hacker saying in a demonic laugh that he was given permission by the RCMP to criminally hack a database of Trudeau's enemies.

00:31:44.280 Remember this?

00:31:46.500 Nothing scares me.

00:31:48.360 Nothing.

00:31:51.680 Yes, I doxed the truckers.

00:31:53.500 I did it.

00:31:54.140 It was me.

00:31:55.140 I hacked Give, Send, Go, baby.

00:31:57.760 And I do it again.

00:32:01.200 I do it a hundred times!

00:32:07.560 I did it!

00:32:08.640 I did it!

00:32:10.700 Come at me! 1.00

00:32:11.560 What are you going to do?

00:32:12.720 What are you going to do to me, huh?

00:32:16.400 Yeah, so that's Thomas Dang, if he had supervillain expressiveness.

00:32:21.720 Thomas Dang is just sort of a quiet, nerdy, geek loner.

00:32:24.780 But really, there's no difference.

00:32:26.680 $4,000 fine.

00:32:28.280 What a laugh.

00:32:28.920 Well, Sheila, I mean, I think the media is just as bad as the NDP.

00:32:37.680 And when I think of Rachel Notley, I think she obviously wants to be premier again. 0.81

00:32:41.560 But the main threat to Danielle Smith, I would put it in this order.

00:32:44.840 Threat number one.

00:32:46.140 Threat number three.

00:32:48.140 Rachel Notley.

00:32:49.220 Threat number two.

00:32:49.960 Dissension within Danielle Smith's own party.

00:32:54.680 And threat number one.

00:32:56.440 The left-wing media party that's on a mission to destroy her. 0.98

00:32:59.880 That's worth it, Sheila.

00:33:01.660 You're not wrong.

00:33:03.080 Because the left-wing media party, they would not only like to destroy Danielle Smith on behalf of Rachel Notley, but they'd love to do it. 0.82

00:33:10.960 Because she's one of the bravest premiers in this country who's willing to stand up to Justin Trudeau.

00:33:16.560 There you have it, Sheila.

00:33:17.580 Great to talk to you again.

00:33:19.480 Thanks, boss.

00:33:19.940 All right.

00:33:20.960 Stay with us.

00:33:21.620 Your letters are next.

00:33:28.760 Hey, welcome back.

00:33:29.720 Bill Fairhall asks a question.

00:33:31.400 He says, have I said before, it's not important that justice be done, only that it appears to have been done.

00:33:36.160 This is how broke our legal and political representatives have become.

00:33:38.900 God help us all.

00:33:39.680 Help fighting these tyrants, Ezra.

00:33:42.300 Well, I think it's both.

00:33:44.040 Justice must be done, but it also must be seen to be done.

00:33:48.020 You know, that applies to so many things.

00:33:49.320 Obviously, these truckers down in Lethbridge, but I think of Pastor Tim Stevens, Pastor Arthur Pavlovsky.

00:33:54.960 And there's so many battles to fight.

00:33:56.880 That's why we go to the court of law.

00:33:58.100 You know, journalism is important.

00:33:59.600 We like telling the other side of the story.

00:34:01.240 That's our motto.

00:34:01.940 But every once in a while, we stop and try and fix things.

00:34:05.700 Leonidas45 says, what is Marxist socialist political persecution?

00:34:09.420 This is what Marxist socialist political persecution looks like.

00:34:12.140 Peaceful protesters being persecuted for daring to disagree with the dear leader's edicts.

00:34:15.840 Drug company executives testifying in the EU have admitted that no data was provided that showed vaccination prevented transmission.

00:34:22.880 The vax passes and persecution of the unvaxxers politically motivated, not scientifically substantiated.

00:34:28.080 These men were protesting against a legitimately unjustified assault on their constitutional rights.

00:34:32.440 You know, I should probably go into it in more detail, but a couple of weeks ago, the New York Supreme Court in New York, which is not a right wing state, threw out the vaccine mandates, ordered that all fired staff be rehired and given back pay.

00:34:48.200 And they specifically said that the rationale for a vaccine mandate, that it stopped transmission, was meritless.

00:34:55.320 And that's the thing.

00:34:57.160 And I've seen a Pfizer contract with another country.

00:35:01.400 I don't remember which one.

00:35:02.220 It wasn't with Canada, but I would assume they're similar, that they said they cannot claim that the vaccine stops transmission.

00:35:09.660 I bet that the Pfizer contract with Canada, which is being kept a secret, says we can't guarantee it doesn't stop transmission.

00:35:16.540 So Trudeau would have known.

00:35:18.620 And yet he said we must ban unvaccinated people from workplaces, from the army, from airplanes, from ships, from the public square to protect others from transmission, knowing that that was not true.

00:35:32.280 That may be a reason why the federal court of Canada threw out the lawsuit of Brian Peckford and Maxine Bernier and others to challenge the no-fly ban on the unvaccinated.

00:35:42.780 Could we find out that, in fact, they knew all along that the vaccine didn't stop transmission?

00:35:49.200 Very crazy days.

00:35:50.640 That's our show for today.

00:35:51.940 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, I see you at home.

00:35:55.280 Good night.

00:35:56.240 And keep fighting for freedom.

00:36:02.280 Good night.

Rebel News Podcast - November 07, 2022

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Poll reveals conservatives massively support amnesty for people charged with lockdown tickets

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