00:03:56Jason Arday is a highly respected scholar of race, inequality, and education with a particular interest in improving the representation of black.
00:04:09Asian, and minority ethnic people in higher education. He will take up the post of Professor
00:04:14of Sociology of Education in the Faculty of Education University of Cambridge on the 6th of
00:04:20March. And that's not all. At 37, he will be the youngest Black person ever appointed to a
00:04:28professorship at Cambridge, a platform he intends to use to inspire more people from underrepresented
00:04:34backgrounds and to higher education, building on the university's many initiatives in the area.
00:04:40It sounds like that was the real reason he was hired. It is a commitment rooted in experience.
00:04:45Our day has faced many personal challenges, notably being diagnosed at the age of three
00:04:52with a form of autism spectrum disorder, which meant he was unable to speak until he was 11
00:05:28when questions started to arise about Professor Arday's plagiarism. Not just his plagiarism,
00:05:35his stories he would tell, about himself that is. He would say things that were just beyond
00:05:44plausible. They felt made up. Let me read a little bit from the criticism of his book.
00:05:52Arday claims, for instance, that when the kids who beat him up at the bus stop
00:05:56were arrested he told the judge that they shouldn't go to prison then years later when he
00:06:02took a brief teaching job at an unnamed london university two of the muggers turned out to be
00:06:07his students they'd been so moved by his act of mercy that they turned around their lives and
00:06:13they were now coaching other at-risk youths both of them gave me a huge hug which i returned he
00:06:19writes, one asked Arde to be the godfather of his child. Did that really happen? Let's keep reading
00:06:28this book. It even gets more amazing. Arde's record of public statements includes plenty that
00:06:33would seem to be exaggerated, if not completely false. He said repeatedly, for instance, that he'd
00:06:38once run 300 miles in three days for a charity event, and that on another occasion he'd run
00:06:45600 miles in six days. As many people have now pointed out, doing either would be a near
00:06:52world record level feat of endurance athletics. Neither run is mentioned in his book. He recently
00:06:59told The Guardian that his 600-mile run had actually taken 12 days, including rest periods.
00:07:06He boasted of having raised millions of pounds for charity, though under questioning from the
00:07:12times he conceded that he'd done this as part of a fundraising syndicate in an interview he claimed
00:07:17he'd originally been part of the bbc series up which began filming before he was born
00:07:23though he was late he was this was later said to have been an analogy not a literal
00:07:29description it sounds like he's a bit of a fabulist he seems like a really nice guy and he
00:07:38seems smart but no story is good enough without adding a zero to a number or qualitatively just
00:07:45making it seem too much let me read on the most disturbing inconsistencies arise from our day's
00:07:53book proposal a copy of which was obtained by the atlantic that document from 2024
00:07:56cite several accolades of which no proof exists online the proposal also lays out many of the
00:08:02same events as the memoir but with slightly different dates and details the boys who beat
00:08:06him up were not his age, but four years older. His suicide attempt happened before, not during
00:08:11the pandemic. And whereas the book describes our day as having survived two brain tumors,
00:08:15the proposal says he had a bout of testicular cancer. No reference to that illness appears
00:08:20in the memoir. So this is an analysis of his stories. And I remember when my grandmother
00:08:26said to me, one of the downsides about lying is you have to keep everything straight. Whereas if
00:08:31you just tell the truth, it's easy to remember. It sounds like he had different stories in
00:08:35different places. And the reason I'm talking about this, the reason that I'm showing these
00:08:41extraordinary claims he made, it reminds me a little bit of Jussie Smollett, if you remember
00:08:46the actor who in Chicago claimed he was jumped at 4 a.m. outside of Subway by Subway sandwiches
00:08:53by a bunch of white guys saying, this is MAGA country, as if anyone in Chicago would say that.
00:09:01and they put a noose around his head because who doesn't carry a noose around with them at 4am
00:09:06in Chicago? It feels like this. And the thing is, it wasn't just his tall tales about his own life.
00:09:14It was, was his scholarship inflated? Was he really the best professor in the world in his
00:09:22sphere was or his writings actually his own or were they plagiarism did he fake it and is there
00:09:32anything that the white liberal establishment wouldn't turn a blind eye to to keep this perfect
00:09:40specimen this amazing example of dei scholarship is there nothing they would have turned their eye
00:09:47away from. Let me point out this story from the Telegraph about 10 days ago. Journalists
00:09:56who looked into this were questioned by police. Police investigated journalists who tried to
00:10:03expose Cambridge professor, reporter accused of harassment after emailing series of questions to
00:10:08Jason Arday about his academic record. So it wasn't about his tall tale about running 600 miles
00:10:15in six days or 12 days or whatever he says, or that he went easy on muggers who turned out later
00:10:22to be his students. Like, implausible thing. What about his actual scholarship for which he was
00:10:28purportedly hired at Cambridge? Let me read from the Telegraph. Scotland Yard investigated a
00:10:33journalist trying to expose a plagiarism route and told him to stop asking a Cambridge professor
00:10:38questions. Jack Grove, a reporter for Times Higher Education, was accused of harassment after he
00:10:46mailed a series of questions to Professor Jason Ardain about his academic record. Mr. Grove
00:10:51said officers told him to stop contacting the professor because his mental health had been
00:10:58affected by the questions. Professor Ardain also hired the law firm Carter Ruck, which suggested
00:11:04in a letter to the Times Higher Education that its apparent attack on him may be racially motivated?
00:11:14The Metropolitan Police spent four months looking into the claim of harassment before deciding in
00:11:19February to close the case. Well, it turns out he may have indeed had mental health challenges from
00:11:27the questions because uh early this evening it appears that he took his own life absolutely
00:11:34tragic presumably it was suicide although that was not stated outright in the news reports
00:11:40and i think i know why i'm i'm across an ocean from him i don't know him at all but
00:11:48i think he was built up into a into something such a superman such an impossible thing
00:11:58and i think he i don't know if he believed it himself but he got into telling the most
00:12:04spectacular stories possible because it appears that wherever he went people applauded and loved
00:12:11him like that dean from cambridge who clasped him with both hands and said you are the best
00:12:17in the world and i think he was responding to incentives i think whatever he said in fact the
00:12:24more he said the more he burnished things the more he embroidered the more beloved he was
00:12:31you'll notice the emphasis they put on the youngest black professor at cambridge that was
00:12:38the value not particularly his scholarship like they didn't even really say what it meant it's
00:12:43that he was a role model and he was assigned that cambridge those were the good white people
00:12:49because look they just hired the world's youngest black professor and those dreadlocks i mean just
00:12:57walking around cambridge swishing his head every pace he took was proof that cambridge was tolerant0.53
00:13:05wasn't it except it started to unravel and of course this has been going on for months as we
00:13:10learned from this police investigation story. So I have no doubt that when it started to fall
00:13:16apart and his plagiarism started to be exposed and the impossibility of these conflicting stories
00:13:22was revealed, I absolutely have no doubt that psychologically he began to fall apart because
00:13:28everything that he said he was, everything that they said he was, was being proven to be untrue.
00:13:36So what was left other than just simply being the youngest black man hired as a professor at
00:13:42Cambridge? If he wasn't the best in this field, if in fact all his stories were made up, if his
00:13:48plagiarism was true, he took his own life, it sounds like. And of course, he enjoyed every
00:13:54minute and certainly didn't pump the brakes on these fantastical stories. But really, he was
00:14:00just responding to a liberal white establishment that so craved the political correct bona fides
00:14:06of hiring jason ardain that they basically told him this is what we want you to say they didn't
00:14:13put the words in his mouth but their look in his eyes and his look in their eyes confirmed that
00:14:18they wanted more of that and the fact that a law firm and police was dispatched to shut up critics
00:14:25tells you how critical this was. How many people have been hired because of their race or their
00:14:31gender or their sexuality to meet some quota checklist and actually don't have the goods,
00:14:38actually aren't the world's best in their field, but just are the best of that particular
00:14:43demographic? It is a tragedy what happened to him, but it didn't just happen by his own hand.
00:14:49he killed himself it looks like but in a way the whole system pushed him to that stay with us for
00:14:57more well unfortunately i am not allowed to go to the united kingdom the country i love very much
00:15:11i love it for reasons i suppose similar to why one would love your grandparents it's where you
00:15:16came from. And although I'm in Canada and I actually hadn't been to the United Kingdom until
00:15:22I was in my late teens, so many of the things that we love in our country, starting with the
00:15:26English language, moving to our system of government, to how we police, to our culture
00:15:33and our poetry and our songs, it all comes from the United Kingdom. And so I was gravely disappointed0.98
00:15:38when Keir Starmer, the disgraced former prime minister, banned me and 10 other friends and
00:15:44associates of Tommy Robinson from setting foot in the country again. No reason other than not
00:15:50conducive to the public good at General Catch-all. I should tell you that we have actually filed our
00:15:55lawsuit in response to that last week, and I will keep you posted how that goes. I'm not going to
00:16:00take that lying down. I love the UK, but the reason I go over there is not just as a tourist or
00:16:05an affectionate history amateur, but rather because the United Kingdom is a place with so
00:16:12much news and you've heard me say it a dozen times before it's like a dystopian time machine
00:16:18what happens in the uk today will happen in canada in one year five years ten years down the road i
00:16:24give the example of the five members of parliament elected in the last general election who campaign
00:16:30not under the labor or conservative or reform party banners but campaigned as lend gaza your
00:16:37vote there are some districts in the uk that are so heavily muslim that you can run saying i will
00:16:43fight for gaza just a completely you could run as if you're running for uh political office in
00:16:49bangladesh which by the way uh is something that happens in the uk as well you have uk-based
00:16:56politicians winning office in their homelands in asia it's just crazy uh and we can see that
00:17:04through mass immigration. And recently there's been an uptick in those migrant boats coming over
00:17:10typically from France. There's a new prime minister, Andy Burnham is his name, and he seems to be
00:17:16taking the identical policy of his predecessor, Keir Starmer, for a variety of reasons. I think
00:17:21they're woke. They want to undermine the West. They don't believe in the concept of borders.
00:17:24They're globalists. They, in some deep way, loathe indigenous British culture. By that, I mean
00:17:33Brits. And there's also an enormous industry behind migrants. We've seen that in other countries too,
00:17:40like Ireland. There are billions of dollars to be made. But the latest wave has caused protests,
00:17:48a new wave of protests, which is something I used to cover on the ground. But today we'll have to
00:17:52suffice with a friend who's on the ground, an outstanding citizen journalist who we've gotten
00:17:58to know over the years. His name is Jack Hadfield, and he joins us now via Zoom. Jack, great to see
00:18:02you again i like your coverage so much first of all you're very prolific when you're at a protest
00:18:07you're very industrious you manage to post so many video clips but you also have a pretty deep
00:18:13understanding of british history and culture you're not just you know a vacuous influencer
00:18:17i think you're actually a kind of public intellectual if i may tell me the latest
00:18:22in the uk and what the wave of protest is about specifically yeah so what we've seen uh recently
00:18:30obviously since Burnham became prime minister is a different take from the office of PM on how we
00:18:40should actually be dealing with asylum seekers. By take I mean the way it's been framed politically
00:18:46we've obviously had asylum seekers being placed in hotels and army barracks and so on and so forth
00:18:52across the country but now Burnham who obviously has replaced Keir Starmer there are two different
00:18:59types of guys one is starmer is a london metropolitan elite lawyer intellectual type
00:19:07uh someone who is sort of sort of rooted in the south and obviously is very um middle class
00:19:12burnham is from the north manchester well liverpool originally but you know he is here he is a man of
00:19:18manchester manchesterism is his slogan for uh how he's running the country and he has this very
00:19:25vindictive North against South, the have-nots against the haves mentality that now is existing
00:19:33throughout the way that he's conducting himself in government. And he has said now very specifically
00:19:38and very explicitly, the middle class areas basically need to do their fair share when it
00:19:45comes to migrants. And so there is now this very specific policy of not just with being spread
00:19:51about across the country but almost a deliberate um point from the prime minister that yes no you0.91
00:19:57are rich people uh within in rich areas and you have got to take the scum of the earth that comes
00:20:04across the channel and so i believe it's uh piddlington a village in oxfordshire very tiny1.00
00:20:08small village it's about to get a thousand or so plus migrants and they're going to outnumber the1.00
00:20:13residents many times to one over um so that's that's uh that's what we're starting to see again
00:20:19obviously now with summer as well um more people of course crossing the channel as well at the same
00:20:23time fueling um you know the need for spaces to begin with you know i i saw andy burnham say that
00:20:29he basically said as everyone has to do their duty and fair share and to take these migrants which is
00:20:35a few things bundled up first of all it's an understanding that it's a kind of punishment1.00
00:20:40You know, he's he's not pretending that it isn't. Second of all, there's something to that, though. Let me flip it on its head. During the great mass migration into the United States under Joe Biden, sometimes 10,000 people a day would cross over. And that would be a problem for Texas, where many of them went and California and some of the southern states.
00:21:06And so the government of Texas flew hundreds of these migrants to New York City and to Martha's Vineyard on one occasion to basically say, you Democrat states have your luxury beliefs of open borders while we're paying the price.0.75
00:21:27And it overwhelmed the social services in the great city of New York.
00:21:31And it actually got to the point where the Democrat mayor, Eric Adams was his name, was saying, stop, we can't take any more. And because it no longer could be a fantasy virtue signal, it was a very real cost.
00:21:45So on the one hand, I am repelled by Andy Burnham saying he's going to punish Brits with these migrants, but on the other hand, send them to Oxford itself. Put them in the dorm rooms in Cambridge. Make them live outside. I mean, God bless the king, but put them in tents right outside Buckingham Palace. Why not?0.99
00:22:08Why hide them away in places where they can't be seen? Make them as ostentatious and conspicuous as possible. That's a terrible way of looking at things. But as Lennon would say, the worse, the better. And obviously, the real answer is to stop this mass immigration. But if you're going to have it, why not cause the fancy people some pain?
00:22:32i mean there's some of that and i think i will say obviously look at oxfordshire kind of that
00:22:38region in general that starts to get to being the base of you know lib dems the classic liberals you
00:22:44know the the people who will who will be right on middle class liberals but also it's the
00:22:50countryside and that's where a lot of these people actually are right wing to begin with who just live
00:22:55in nice houses in the country and a lot of these people where they're being put like they already
00:23:00know they're voting the right way and now they're being punished on top of it and i think as well
00:23:05it's there there is something that we have inside of us as well we want to just um you know there is
00:23:12some sort of like revenge in the fact that these people you voted for open borders you should see
00:23:17the consequences of it and then maybe hopefully you'd change your mind i think we have seen that
00:23:21some of this with the boris wave and just how generally uh you know since the boards were
00:23:26opened under johnson in 21 22 where just mass legal migration would of course just spread across
00:23:32the country and you saw you know somalians loitering around you know lovely little towns
00:23:37where there would be nobody beforehand but i think as well that but the idea that just putting it
00:23:44straight in the face is actually going to just change people's minds immediately i'm not totally
00:23:50sure about that because if you look at you know it's that this kind of accelerationist idea things
00:23:55have got to get worse before they get better i mean look at south africa you know you have like
00:24:00people being murdered in farms because they're white you know on a daily basis and you still
00:24:07have white liberals there all the time saying oh isn't this wonderful a multicultural society0.99
00:24:12oh that guy's going shoot the burr kill the burr oh don't worry about that that's yeah there's0.99
00:24:17nothing to worry about and it's like well if you still have that in south africa with the state0.96
00:24:21that that is um i don't think that um you know doing doing this in britain is it's just going
00:24:27to make things worse and well the only solution is they just got to go home jack you're right i
00:24:32think i was just indulging in the thought exercise i and i've never supported the worse the better
00:24:37because things things can always get worse that's something i think conservatives know intrinsically
00:24:41things can always get worse and you're wise to point to south africa um or even zimbabwe for the
00:24:47north which is even further gone um i noticed one of the towns am i saying it right piddlington i
00:24:53don't want to get that wrong yes it's it's such a british name isn't it it's almost an impossible
00:24:58that's the name straight out of harry potter or uh you know paddington bear um uh you some of
00:25:05these towns where these migrants are being dumped is the word they uh men now outnumber women six
00:25:12to one. And there's an issue there because in my mind when I thought refugees, I would always think
00:25:17the young, the old, the sick, the poor, a mother with babies because the men are off at war or
00:25:22something and we protect, you know, women and children first is the rule of thumb on a sinking
00:25:29ship, for example. But these migrants, it's all men. And there was some recent ship boats coming1.00
00:25:38across the mediterranean where there were a couple women but they were they died on the trip over and
00:25:45of course the implication being is that they were killed perhaps to cover up evidence of even more
00:25:52horrific uh crimes i don't wish to describe these are young military age migrant men and if you
00:26:00believe in maslow's hierarchy of needs uh a human needs food shelter clothing and sex0.76
00:26:09and when it's in a healthy high trust society with 50 percent women and 50 percent men there's a
00:26:17courtship and a whole system and a process but when you have six to one men to women and they're
00:26:24all young men who come from countries where women are either totally covered and the only0.90
00:26:32uncovered women are prostitutes. And so the only experience they would have with white women is0.98
00:26:36online pornography. So they come to the UK and they see uncovered women walking without a minor0.85
00:26:43or a custodian. They're horny. Let's just come down to it. And that's why there's been an1.00
00:26:48extraordinary spike in rapes. There's 200 rapes a day in the UK. And let me show you the most
00:26:55astonishing clip I've seen in the last week. It's from a former cabinet minister, if I'm not
00:27:00mistaken, Edwina Curry. And I think she was doing a thought experiment too. I don't know how serious
00:27:06she was, but I'll just let her speak for herself here. Take a listen to what she said the other
00:27:11day. Take a look. The obvious thing that 1,200 young men are going to need in the middle of a
00:27:17village like little piddington as a brothel i don't think they're going to provide that i have
00:27:21a feeling that's not going to be allowed so jack i don't i'm not going to go so far as to say she
00:27:26was proposing a brothel she was saying how do you handle hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of men
00:27:34listless bored they're not working they're hanging around leering you know we've seen a lot of cases1.00
00:27:42where migrant men go to parks and leer at women and children and this edwina curry is saying well0.93
00:27:49maybe we have a broad it's a it's a horrific idea basically uh similar in nature to oh they're0.98
00:27:57they're just prostitutes let them be raped it's almost the the same kind of uh i don't know0.99
00:28:04toleration that the regime in the uk had for the rape of working class white girls under the rape1.00
00:28:11So, oh, those are girls of disrepute, let them be raped by migrants, as if that wouldn't0.99
00:28:17be a magnet for a million more migrants.0.99
00:28:21But underneath it all, there is the oblique acknowledgments that when you bring a bunch
00:28:28of young men from a culture that doesn't treat women with respect, you are going to
00:28:46I mean, Edwina, just before she said that in some of the full comments, she was talking
00:28:51about that some people would be gaining from this, for example, businesses who will be
00:28:55able to contract to have security for these things.
00:28:58And then she came with these comments as well.
00:28:59And I think that while they were flippant and obviously not a full legitimate like, oh, let's just put brothels here and I believe we should do this immediately as a policy.
00:29:11I think that she would actually be relatively in favor of that as an idea.
00:29:18And I think because of that, as you say, you know, there is this, frankly, misogyny, you know, to women of lower class status, whatever you want to say it is.0.97
00:29:28But it's like, as you said, you know, they're prostitutes. Just let them be raped.1.00
00:29:32And it's like, ah, here's the solution. How do we stop the rape? We just get a bunch of prostitutes in.1.00
00:29:36I've had sort of people, I've seen people more, have that position more seriously before of sort of Edwina's political type, you know, just online, you know, normal-ish people.0.87
00:29:46so i can believe that she does think that like yes this this might be something that is is that
00:29:52will will stop the horrors that may come from it but again she doesn't think oh we should just send
00:29:58them all home immediately stat instead you know it is all of these other workarounds uh instead of
00:30:06the obvious solution uh that uh that uh that she proposes and again former government minister
00:30:11and frankly it's kind of the state of the conservative party as it is as well it's like
00:30:16ah here's a problem instead of again obvious solution let's do all these kind of little
00:30:21things which nibble at it around the corners and that are frankly you know horrifying if not more
00:30:26horrifying than the current situation but it's a whole different kind of horrifying and we haven't
00:30:31seen that before so that's fine um yeah it is uh it's a very it's a crazy thing to say i think she
00:30:36slightly walked it back um today but um somebody else uh who came on after her professor actually
00:30:43um emily wilson's dad as in the emily wilson who wrote the uh terrible odyssey translation
00:30:51he was on the show and said and he took um the proposal extremely seriously and said yes actually
00:30:58like we do like this happens in germany they have brothels and so therefore it cuts down the rates
00:31:03of sexual violence and he was fully in favor of it so whilst adwina might have been flippant there
00:31:07was someone on the show afterwards who uh again yeah academic was completely in favor of this
00:31:12um so yeah it's horrendous you know uh the mind of the globalist financial you know entrepreneur
00:31:22like there's billions of dollars being spent every year on migration and so the migration industry1.00
00:31:28would say oh that's a new service we offer and we're going to have government run brothels and
00:31:33we're going to expand our product line so that's actually inherently appealing to the industry to1.00
00:31:39the migration industry when of course the real answer is stop the migration stop the rape stop
00:31:45all of these social problems uh i just saw today and i'm going to try and connect with her on a
00:31:50show next week kelly j keen who i would call an old school feminist her main focus i think these
00:31:57days is to oppose transgenderism in in you know we have that same battle in canada too
00:32:05um she gave a speech at tommy robinson's unite the kingdom rally and she's quite active on twitter
00:32:13and today or yesterday she posted a recording of a phone call she got from the police demanding
00:32:22that she come down to the police station to answer questions about her views on islam here i don't
00:32:29want to uh take a lot of time because we're going to talk to kelly later but here's just a quick
00:32:34extract hearing the cop say you've got to come down and tell us your intentions behind these
00:33:13so the two allegations are from your unite the kingdom rally uh there's been a complaint
00:33:22with regards to your speech specifically with regards to the uh we need to remove islam from0.95
00:33:29our classrooms it's not too late to get islam out of that building it's not too late to get islam1.00
00:33:33out of every single official office in this country and more than that is too late it's not1.00
00:33:37too late it's actually by all if you want to save this country we have to remove it from every
00:33:41single place of authority oh okay and the other one investigation is in relation to some tweets0.78
00:33:50so it is in relation to a tweet from the 26th 23rd of june we have muslim fatigue the gang
00:33:58rates the terrorism the killing of little girls who enjoy music the hatred of women and girls the
00:34:01special force the anti-semitism the hate preachers the marches the violence the call to prayer the
00:34:05public prayers complaining about christian preachers the four of those interval matches
00:34:09skipping lunch the niqabs the school the kids visiting mosques the ramadan lights the ramadan0.96
00:34:13messages on tv and by public figures the cruel slaughter the hatred of the west the hatred of0.99
00:34:18women the barbarism the inbreeding the censorship the two-tier system the capture of our institutions0.99
00:34:23look tired of it islam is a viable and hating cousin marrying child rape raising death toll0.96
00:34:27another tweet from the 23rd of june there's nothing about the scene that does not scream0.97
00:34:33backwards regressive subnormal culture and another one which scene was that uh i'm not sure
00:34:40what scene in particular that you're responding to in that i'm just reading out the um tweets in
00:34:46question uh and then the last one is from the 25th of june no one needs foreign money to
00:34:54understand the threat is one poses to every last one of us right and then
00:34:59sorry and the police want to invite me in on the which crime which crime are
00:35:06you referring to so for those it would be for the tweets it would be malicious
00:35:11communication senses on against against an idea who's it again so no I can
00:35:20explain that so somebody who's read those tweets has taken offense to them
00:35:23oh okay so jack i know you haven't listened to that whole tape and it's around six minutes long
00:35:31it's quite interesting this is actually no different than what has happened well according
00:35:36to the times of london it happens 30 times a day in the uk that in fact i know the metropolitan
00:35:41police the the main london police force has more than a hundred full-time social media cops this
00:35:49is all they do and this is what in canada we call a non-crime hate incident uh if she had committed
00:35:57a crime they would just arrest her they're saying come on down and let's talk about it and see if we
00:36:01can entrap you by the way this is something that she's been targeted with many times before but
00:36:06usually about trans stuff um which brings me to my long-winded question to you jack is free speech
00:36:14under the new Prime Minister, Andy Burnham, the same, better or worse than it was under Keir Starmer?
00:36:22Well, we haven't really seen Burnham being in office for long enough to see the state of this.
00:36:31But obviously, as you mentioned, the non-crime hate instance, obviously this was, I think,
00:36:35actually in Starmer at the end of last year, they announced it was going to be scrapped,
00:36:41uh oh sorry should be scrapped and they and then march i think this year they've said that you know
00:36:46that it was starmer actually came out and said yeah actually this is kind of going a bit too far
00:36:51uh and that you know we shouldn't just be getting done for like random arguments um online um but
00:36:58burnham i mean certainly the one i've obviously got kelly jakeen there and just obviously recently
00:37:03as well with the whole uh jason r day scandal i don't know if you are aware of everything that
00:37:09happened uh with that but the the the black cambridge professor who you know seemed to be
00:37:14fraudulent in many different ways a a journalist i think from the telegraph was in that was called
00:37:20up by the police and saying you're harassing him for investigating all the things he's made up um
00:37:25so this is just you know not only is it just people who say you know things online or whatever
00:37:31but it's actually that even even the press will get this stuff from the police if they're looking
00:37:37into um you know something that is a sacred cow uh of the left um i do think burnham would probably
00:37:45be worse in some ways than starmer when it comes to speech further down um oh he obviously was quite
00:37:51bad two-tier care um but he also has this yeah again this kind of lawyer mentality which is
00:37:57we follow the law we do what the law says and we enforce the law whatever quote unquote the law
00:38:03maybe i can see burnham going harder in some ways to you know stop this or disinformation
00:38:09you know to stop racism and let's be all happy shiny people holding hands um only time will tell
00:38:15uh on that again we haven't had of an arms department as kelly uh kelly's case there
00:38:20we haven't had any really massively publicly major incidents um uh of this kind of thing
00:38:26um underburn so far but yeah uh we will see any time will tell you know uh there's so many folks
00:38:34like kelly jean king who are being jay king who are being asked to explain a tweet here or there
00:38:39i am quite certain that there are remarks made in various languages that are spoken in pakistan
00:38:46or bangladesh or syria or like i'm sure that there's tweets in arabic and urdu or whatever
00:38:52the languages are that are terrifying that are that go far beyond political opinion that go to
00:38:59frankly terrorism and you use the phrase two-tier policing which really became a thing under
00:39:07kirk starmer i'm pretty sure there's not 30 arrests per day of people with an intolerant
00:39:15anti-semitic bigotry which is rife in the uk i just really think it's a it's a problem in the
00:39:22uk it's spreading into canada too one of our cabinet ministers reportedly had a meeting when
00:39:29he was visiting the commonwealth games in glasgow apparently he met with the brits to talk about
00:39:34these non-crime hate incidents to compare notes which i find a little bit terrifying let me ask
00:39:40you one last question you've been very generous with your time jack i wanted to talk about one
00:39:44reason for hope though in closing because you and i always talk about things that make me so
00:39:49pessimistic one of the things i actually feel great about is the state of independent citizen
00:39:56journalism in the uk and i we've talked a little bit about this before but i remember when i
00:39:59started covering tommy robinson's cases in court back in 2017 i was often the only journalist there
00:40:06the only one in the courtroom and certainly the only one outside now there's all sorts of
00:40:12self-styled journalists some of them you know quite fancy equipment other than others just
00:40:18you know a phone and a instagram account and of all the different places i've been
00:40:24i think that the uk actually has the most robust best developed citizen journalist class anywhere
00:40:33um i mean i haven't traveled everywhere but it it it's such a marked difference than it was
00:40:40even five years ago you're on the ground a lot that's where you really do your best work
00:40:45what's your observation like i i understand you may be going to some protests this weekend
00:40:50do you expect there to be a lot of other youtubers and and citizen journalists there is it still
00:40:55strong yeah i mean it certainly does seem to be the case i think you know britain and the press
00:41:02uh sort of that you know free speech in a way that is about you know documenting what is happening
00:41:08challenging the establishment authority i mean it's like you know like where do we think america's
00:41:13love for freedom and liberty comes from it comes from us yeah we are the birthplace uh of these
00:41:17ideas and we still do hold them hold them true i mean if you look at just britain's press in general
00:41:23uh if you look at how frankly either sides will just like tear up uh the the the the political
00:41:31parties even those who are who are who are on their side um it's often the case where i i sort
00:41:37of make the joke that um britain is a kind of press run state uh in that in america you have
00:41:44msnbc will say whatever the democrats want fox will say whatever the republicans want sort of
00:41:49thing whereas now here it's like well actually the the parties kind of have to kowtow to the power of
00:41:55the power of the papers and that does i think does extend that same attitude of you know what
00:42:03we're just going to find out what's going on we're going to uncover it and we'll report it
00:42:06to tell the truth and spread the truth it goes all the way down you know from us little guys
00:42:11at the bottom to you know some of the more establishment you need to type to the top
00:42:15it's it's something i guess it's something in our bones um that uh that we have it here but
00:42:20Yeah, it's exciting to see this is, you know, no longer just the purview of the papers, the TV, the radio, people who are actually able to report things, obviously, if they're more biased.
00:42:33You know, we have anyone, as I said, you can just you can have fancy equipment or you can literally just, you know, pick up your phone and start doing it immediately.
00:42:42And I think that is that is now the beauty of the modern technological system that we're in, that is now so much more democratized.
00:42:48and uh yeah i i feel i feel oftentimes it's one of those things that you know really does make you
00:42:53make you proud to be british well that's great to hear don't lose it and you know how you're
00:42:58going to lose it god forbid is the same way we lost it we allowed the government to colonize
00:43:03the media about 10 years ago justin truneau announced hundreds of millions of dollars
00:43:07for newspapers not just for tv stations which were always heavily regulated but the newspapers and
00:43:13Now, 99% of Canadian newspapers take the subsidy from Mark Carney, the successor to Justin Trudeau, and it works out to more than $30,000 per employee.
00:43:26And so that has dulled the curiosity and the independence of the entire industry.
00:43:32And you can see it. I mean, it happened over 10 years. But in the blink of an eye, really, our curious, contrarian, skeptical, belligerent press has been changed from a watchdog to a lapdog. And I'm afraid that's human nature. You just don't bite the hand that feeds you.
00:43:51So, Jack, the minute that the Labour government or any government proposes solving the crisis of journalism by paying journalists, by paying newspapers, you've got to fight that so hard because nothing will undermine your freedom faster than that.
00:44:08And I say that as someone who's witnessed it here in Canada.
00:45:00Well, instead of reading letters to you, I want to leave you with a video recorded by my friend Alexa Lavoie outside the courthouse in Ottawa today.
00:45:09Today was the second day in a hearing to change the sentencing conditions for our friend Tamara Leach.
00:45:15as you know, she's under house arrest, but we meticulously follow the rules to allow her to0.99
00:45:19travel for work. Well, I wasn't in court today, but Alexa was. And the judge, well, she couldn't0.57
00:45:27stop talking about Rebel News and me, even though neither Rebel News nor I am a party to the
00:45:35lawsuit. We're simply where Tamara works. You know Tamara, she speaks for herself and does so very0.72
00:45:40well. I have my own views. I think that the trial of her was a political sham. I think that she
00:45:46indeed has been a political prisoner. It's one of the reasons why we support her appeal. And it's
00:45:51one of the reasons why we felt it was so important to let her speak. And she's been with us these
00:45:57past eight or nine months as a journalist. Well, that outraged the judge, according to Alexa,1.00
00:46:02who I'm afraid may well take it out on Tamara. Incredibly, the sentencing variation hearing0.97
00:46:10has been delayed the results will be delayed for yet another month uh till september um
00:46:16september 17th we'll get the results on that we basically want to marry to be able to work
00:46:21not just across canada but in the united states as well here's alexa's report take a look at this
00:46:27today's hearing over tamar lich request to vary her conditional sentence conditions
00:46:34turned into something that is difficult to describe.
00:46:39But it seems that the hearing was more about rebel news
00:46:43and Ezra Levin's political opinions than Tamara's sentence.
00:46:49One of the most striking moments came when Justice Heather Perkins McVeigh
00:46:56said Ezra Levin had hired Tamara Leach specifically to get her out of the house.
00:47:04She emphasized that that was the sole purpose, adding that Ezra obviously has a very clear view of the justice system, of herself, and of the trial process, and that he made it very clear in our video reports, which she described as YouTube videos.
00:47:28videos the judge came back to this multiple times and she also said that revenues was in many ways
00:47:38making a mockery of the conditional sentence tamara lish has been through one of the longest
00:47:46non-violent mischief trials in the commonwealth for her participation in the 2022 freedom convoy
00:47:55where she, along with tens of thousands of other Canadians,
00:48:01stood up for medical freedom amid the COVID vaccine mandates
00:48:23Everything she does needs to be submitted to and approved by her conditional sentence supervisor.0.94
00:48:30She is not even allowed to come to Ottawa, our nation's capital, and walk freely because the political establishment is too scared of a five-foot grandmother.
00:48:45You can help her fight back by chipping in at thetamaraproject.com.1.00
00:48:53Back to today's hearing, Justice Heather Perkins McVeigh mentioned the roughly 40 items of Tamara Lich merchandise, especially one showing Lich with duct tape over her mouth.0.95
00:49:09The judge said the merchandise suggested Ribbon News was using Lich's employment to promote and monetize her involvement and the fact that she is under house arrest, with the duct tape symbolizing Israel Evans' view that the conditional sentence was intended to keep her quiet.
00:49:33quiet. Lawrence Greenspan, counsel for Tamara Leach, pushed back, saying he had never seen
00:49:42a case where the political or journalistic views of an employer were being used as the
00:49:49reason to doubt compliance with the conditional sentence. Greenspan repeatedly stressed that
00:49:57that Lich has complied with her conditions.
00:50:01He told the court she has already spent nine months under the conditional sentence,
00:50:08completed her 100 hours of community service,
00:50:13and received approval for interprovincial travel for work on 13 separate occasions.
00:50:21He argued that Tamara Leach is under extraordinary scrutiny, saying that if she step one inch outside the lines, people will notice and authorities will know.
00:50:36The Crown itself acknowledged that Leach has complied.
00:50:40Crown Prosecutor Sivan Wetscher said we are not suggesting that Ms. Litch has in any way breached her conditions. She's following them.
00:50:54However, the Crown argued that this is not really about compliance.
00:51:00Richard said the Tamara project was effectively designed as a workaround to Lich's sentence and described her employment as self-promotion under the guise of journalism.
00:51:16She argued that revenues was using the employment arrangement to promote and monetize the very offense for which Litsch was convicted, pointing to her books, merchandise and proposed speaking engagements.
00:51:34The Crown also argued that allowing broader exemptions would weaken the denunciatory and deterrence effect of the sentence and undermine public confidence in the justice system.
00:51:48Lawrence Greenspan also pointed out that Chris Barber, who was found guilty of mischief and counseling others to disobey a court order, has since been allowed to travel internationally for work.
00:52:06Justice Heather Perkins McVeigh said she was not aware of that.
00:52:11I could go on and on, but one thing I want to say is that we could clearly see what I viewed as the one-sidedness of the judge.
00:52:23At times, she was almost finishing the Crown Prosecutor's sentences, and at one point, they even giggled over an argument.
00:52:34This mainly seemed to be a Ribbon News slash is relevant political opinion hearing.
00:52:40I'm pretty sure that if Tamara were working for another company0.99
00:52:45instead of revenues, all of this would not have been such a big issue.1.00
00:52:50The judge even had Tamara Leach's lawyer acknowledge1.00
00:52:55that she has the power to tighten the restrictions0.99
00:53:00and that these applications can go both ways.0.81
00:53:04ways. This shows that she is the one with the decision-making power over lich conditions.
00:53:13We could clearly see, in my view, that the judge seemed offended by Ezra's harsh criticism
00:53:21of her decision-making. And this is what commentary journalism is for – to criticize