Rebel News Podcast - August 13, 2026


EZRA LEVANT ｜ Carney minister Marc Miller denies UK censorship talks despite ATIP paper trail

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00:00:00 Hello, my friends. It's just a quick mention in Black Locks, an independent news story,
00:00:06 that Mark Miller, a Canadian cabinet minister, met with his counterpart in the UK to talk
00:00:11 about social cohesion. That's code for censoring people who have, quote, grievances. It's a
00:00:19 way of silencing dissent. Now, he denies it, but they've got the paperwork. I'll take you
00:00:24 through it today. Plus, an interview with Andy Lee about what she's found about Sean
00:00:28 Chen, the Chinese Communist Party asset, who came up with a fake excuse for resigning from
00:00:35 Canada's parliament. But first, let me invite you to become a subscriber to Rebel News Plus. It's
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00:00:58 Tonight, a Kearney cabinet minister is caught talking about censorship with his UK counterparts,
00:01:13 but then he denies it. It's August 13th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:20 Shame on you, you censorious bug.
00:01:28 you know what's dangerous these non-crime hate incidents we did a whole show on it the other day
00:01:39 the edmonton police campaign where they actually decked out buses saying report
00:01:44 non-crimes including offensive jokes as i showed you i think that's an important story actually
00:01:51 that that's going on across canada it's just that for some reason the edmonton campaign went viral
00:01:58 that day because i think of their buses uh by the way they are still looking into non-crime hate
00:02:04 incidents just because they took the tweet down doesn't mean anything um the rcmp full tilt on
00:02:10 that stuff i don't think i've seen an arrest yet where people like in the uk are accosted at their
00:02:18 homes by police holding a facebook post or something uh but i sure hope that's not coming
00:02:25 the times of london as you know says that 30 people a day are arrested in the uk that's such
00:02:33 a staggeringly large number so it's with that in the back of my mind that edmonton police story
00:02:40 was fresh in my mind that i saw a story in today's black locks report you know what black locks is
00:02:45 it's one of like three companies in canada that doesn't take a government subsidy to do journalism
00:02:51 and which is why they can do real work.
00:02:52 And they had a report today called
00:02:54 Study Social Cohesion Plan.
00:02:58 I'm going to read, give me about 90 seconds.
00:03:00 I want to read to you what Blacklock said.
00:03:03 Heritage Minister Mark Miller on a July junket
00:03:06 to the United Kingdom scheduled confidential briefings
00:03:10 on a Labour Party proposal to promote, quote,
00:03:13 social cohesion, according to an access to information memo.
00:03:17 A Labour report targeted individuals
00:03:20 that called digital grifters and politicians of grievance the united kingdom's secretary of state
00:03:28 for housing recently released an action plan protecting what matters towards a more confident
00:03:32 cohesive and resilient united kingdom to strengthen social cohesion and tackle hate and discrimination
00:03:39 said the memo the united kingdom was quote an important partner in online safety
00:03:46 It said, I'll read a little more.
00:03:49 Miller was in Glasgow, that's in Scotland, to attend the July 23rd Commonwealth Games.
00:03:54 The memo, ministers visit to the United Kingdom and Ireland in July said additional meetings were scheduled, including discussion of the action plan.
00:04:03 So it's important to point out that this is not some speculation.
00:04:08 This is in the memo that was released through Access to Information.
00:04:11 I'll read one more sentence.
00:04:12 Labor's April 28th plan proposed, quote, new tools to combat conduct deemed divisive.
00:04:20 Quote, we will develop new tools and powers to disrupt organizations that spread extremism, hate, and threaten public safety.
00:04:28 He has said, we will not tolerate efforts of individuals to sow division, stir anger against those with religious, political, or social views different to theirs, or spread extremist intolerant beliefs that undermine our shared values, said protecting what matters.
00:04:46 The report added we can and must do more in a world where so many people, digital grifters, hostile states, politicians of grievance, have a vested interest in division.
00:04:56 we need to be much more active in asserting British values. Got it. So a politician of
00:05:03 grievance, I'm guessing, is someone who thinks there's a problem to be fixed. That's what a
00:05:08 grievance means. It even is a technical legal term in a union arbitration, for example. I have
00:05:13 a grievance against the employer. I have a problem that needs to be solved. Isn't every single
00:05:19 opposition party in history, isn't that, I guess, technically a politician of grievance?
00:05:26 And frankly, aren't a lot of politicians in power politicians of grievance?
00:05:33 They express anger with some enemy or some status quo.
00:05:39 Isn't every politician sort of supposed to have a grievance and then try and solve it?
00:05:46 What do they mean they want to stop politicians of grievance?
00:05:49 What's a digital grifter?
00:05:51 Someone who, I don't know, makes money online.
00:05:53 That's the entire media, I guess.
00:05:56 everything from the Toronto Star to Rebel News, makes money on the internet. What are they saying
00:06:02 other than sneering? Isn't this really code for whoever we don't like? Now, Mark Miller himself
00:06:10 has used that phrase, social cohesion, in Canada. And he used that phrase a long time before he went
00:06:19 to Scotland. He was even asked about it in a committee by a conservative MP, Rachel Thomas,
00:06:25 who said um well basically demanded a definition here watch this exchange we've shown you this
00:06:32 before it's very interesting it's good to re-watch it now in light of the edmonton police story and
00:06:38 this new memo uh thank you minister uh my first question for you is you recently made a statement
00:06:43 after becoming minister that uh part of the responsibility of cbc is to foster what you
00:06:48 called quote social cohesion can you explain for the committee what you meant by social cohesion
00:06:53 The reason I ask is because experienced journalists have stated that these words, this term, is often used by the People's Republic of China to mean state control and zero tolerance for challenges.
00:07:06 That seems counter to the values that we hold here in Canada, and so I'm curious as to what you meant by social cohesion.
00:07:12 I think in an age that we're all living through of intense disinformation, there is less social cohesion as falsities are propagated through media sources, both legitimate and illegitimate.
00:07:35 But integral to a healthy democracy, indeed the fourth pillar of our democracy, is a healthy
00:07:43 media ecosystem that exercises, rightly, its freedom of expression.
00:07:49 Again, integral to that is a state-financed public media that is the CBC or Radio Canada,
00:07:59 not state-controlled.
00:08:01 Indeed, the CBC's mandate is one that is ferociously independent,
00:08:07 and we should all defend that, whether they are saying good or bad things about us.
00:08:12 So when there is a lack of support for a public broadcaster,
00:08:20 I think that contributes to the spread of disinformation,
00:08:26 and social cohesion is therefore affected.
00:08:30 It's not about any sort of command and control of the media system that you may see in other countries, but indeed in part of it and integral to a healthy democracy.
00:08:40 So an age of disinformation, and there's falsities that the government alone can fix, and there's legitimate sources, but there's also illegitimate sources of information?
00:08:55 Isn't that funny?
00:08:56 That's sort of like Justin Trudeau's language about people who have obscure views that ought not to be accepted.
00:09:06 What does Mike Miller mean by an illegitimate media source?
00:09:09 is that even for politicians to determine now we know he loves the cbc um again in another memo
00:09:17 and uh just uh i guess almost a year ago he said it was the cbc's job to promote social cohesion
00:09:25 you may recall the document back then quote the cbc is a pillar of our cultural identity
00:09:32 and a cornerstone of sovereignty that's what the internal memo said i'm not sure if that's true
00:09:37 um there was this big report done for the canadian government about strengthening social
00:09:44 cohesion that's what rachel thomas was asking about let me quote a little bit from it there
00:09:48 are foreign state efforts to drive social division said the note fostering canadian identity to
00:09:54 strengthen our sovereignty and social cohesion other trends include disinformation campaigns
00:10:00 launched by foreign actors the amplification of divisive content on social media platforms
00:10:06 and a growing over-reliance on foreign-owned platforms and content, threaten our information
00:10:12 sovereignty, and continue to drive polarization and undermine our social cohesion.
00:10:20 You know, the government routinely accuses its enemies in Canada of being foreign operatives. 1.00
00:10:29 Chrystia Freeland was atrocious at that. Anyone who disagreed with shoveling billions of dollars 0.99
00:10:33 towards Ukraine was called the Putin agent. You might recall the CBC called the truckers
00:10:39 organized by Putin. And I even saw some academic the other day in Alberta saying that the Alberta
00:10:45 independence referendum is somehow connected to Putin. I'm not kidding. I saw that. It's just the
00:10:50 go-to. I think that blamestorming and demonizing legitimate contrary views as being foreign 0.98
00:11:01 motivated i think that erodes social cohesion um but this uh the story today in black locks had a
00:11:08 lot of legs i saw that our friends at juno news did a little write-up on it and the lobby group
00:11:13 canada proud tweeted it and i think canadians are concerned that the liberals are so obsessed
00:11:19 with censorship as i said routinely under justin trudeau's tenure he introduced i think four
00:11:26 different censorship bills, which is more than he introduced on any other subject. I mean,
00:11:32 whether it was inflation or housing or whatever he claimed to care about, when push came to shove,
00:11:39 his legislative priority was censorship. And I think a lot of Canadians sort of feel that.
00:11:46 So the story had legs today that Black Locks reporter did. I love those guys.
00:11:50 and um i mentioned that tweet by canada proud so uh shopify we've talked a lot about shopify lately
00:11:57 it's canada's biggest tech company it's basically if you're doing any e-commerce online with a
00:12:03 website odds are shopify is part of it so their boss toby lutke replied with one word
00:12:10 dystopian so he read the tweet and he said dystopian and i think he's german by descent
00:12:17 And so, I mean, listen, Germany, both under the Nazis and under the communists, had a lot of censorship.
00:12:25 I mean, it was called the SS under the Nazis, but then it was called the Stasi under the communists.
00:12:33 So that censorship is something that a German would be very aware of.
00:12:36 He called it dystopian.
00:12:37 But Mark Miller replied, isn't that interesting?
00:12:41 He said, maybe if it were true, but it isn't.
00:12:45 I met with a Scottish cabinet secretary and the first minister.
00:12:48 We discussed nothing of the sort.
00:12:50 Although I did cheer on our amazing athletes at the Commonwealth Games,
00:12:53 the most controversial thing I did was drink an iron brew.
00:12:58 Yeah, I'm not sure about that.
00:13:00 I mean, it wouldn't be the first time in history that a politician lied.
00:13:04 He's probably playing word games saying, oh, no, no, I didn't talk about censorship.
00:13:08 I just talked about Internet safety.
00:13:11 Oh, no, no, no, no.
00:13:12 We're not regulating political thought.
00:13:14 we're just uh cracking down on online harms you know it's when you get into orwellian business
00:13:21 you have to make sure that the other side isn't playing tricky word games on you but the document
00:13:27 that uh that black locks referred to was a confidential document so i suppose it would
00:13:34 be like if a secret was revealed does the government confirm it was revealed or they
00:13:38 try and keep it secret i don't trust mark miller when he says that he didn't have a discussion
00:13:43 about censorship when his own program when his own schedule said that's what they would be talking
00:13:49 about and when his own documents here in canada talk about it you saw the exchange with the
00:13:55 conservative uh mp black locks uh went on at some length the labor party document called protecting
00:14:02 what matters here's what they say um they quote from it they say new tools and powers to disrupt
00:14:08 organizations that spread extremism hate and threaten public safety i mentioned that before
00:14:13 um but that line digital grifters politicians of grievance here's an interesting point of view
00:14:20 i'm against having russia china iran qatar ukraine america medal in our politics in canada i want
00:14:30 canadian politics to be for canadians it's one of the reasons i'm frustrated when i see foreign
00:14:35 nationals just off the airplane from i don't know afghanistan or syria or pakistan or india
00:14:42 jump right into politics don't bring that politics here um so the government is saying that they're
00:14:49 on the hunt for hostile states okay but in the same sentence they say they're worried about
00:14:55 politicians of grievance and digital grifters so they're comparing foreign dictatorships like china
00:15:03 and Iran with critics domestically that they don't like, the elected opposition.
00:15:11 You know, I heard that word community cohesion first in the United Kingdom, and that's one
00:15:18 of the reasons I really enjoyed going over there.
00:15:20 I always said it was like a dystopian time machine, and what I saw happen today would
00:15:24 happen in Canada 10 years later.
00:15:26 So I watched in real time as a tweet went around on the internet about the Rotherham rape gangs. 0.91
00:15:35 You might recall that this small city of 250,000 people, 1,400 young British girls were raped overwhelmingly by Pakistani Muslim men. 0.90
00:15:47 And it was a shocking story. 0.92
00:15:49 And it wasn't just rape one time.
00:15:51 It was repeatedly over and over by gangs of men.
00:15:54 the most shocking thing you could ever possibly imagine. And there was this crazy tweet that
00:16:05 someone wrote, and I don't know who it was that wrote it the first time, but they said
00:16:11 those abused girls in Rotherham just need to shut their mouths for the good of diversity,
00:16:20 for the good of social cohesion and a sitting labor member of parliament her name was naz
00:16:27 shaw from bradford west saw that tweet and liked it and retweeted it she endorsed it i don't know
00:16:36 who wrote it in the first place but she was she read it and said yeah those rape victims should
00:16:42 shut up in the name of diversity and social cohesion that's what social cohesion means
00:16:51 it means shutting down anyone who has a grievance including in the uk in that case
00:16:57 the rape of 1400 girls what does the uk mean when they talk about banning people well
00:17:04 you may remember that i myself have been banned from the uk just a few months ago
00:17:08 because they said I was not conducive to the public good.
00:17:12 It's another way of saying I'm not part of their social cohesion.
00:17:16 You know, Rachel Thomas said this whole thing was a Chinese idea. 0.99
00:17:21 Yeah, I get it.
00:17:22 But it was also an Orwellian idea, and he was a Brit. 0.69
00:17:26 And unfortunately, in the UK and Canada,
00:17:28 we both followed the example.
00:17:32 Stay with us for more.
00:17:38 Who is Sean Chen?
00:17:45 It's a more complicated question than it sounds like.
00:17:49 He's a member of Parliament and has been for years in the Greater Toronto Area.
00:17:54 A Liberal, of course. 1.00
00:17:55 Funny thing is, a lot of MPs, including old-timers,
00:17:59 said they've never heard of him before.
00:18:01 Never seen him before.
00:18:03 And I was poking around on the Parliamentary Hansard website.
00:18:07 Sometimes a year will go by and he'll speak in Parliament a single time.
00:18:13 A curious thing happened more recently, though.
00:18:16 He's announced his resignation from Parliament saying he had a terrible car accident that has left him unable to travel.
00:18:24 Normally, of course, condolences and sympathy would be the order of the day.
00:18:28 But there he is, popping up on Chinese social media in China, celebrating Chinese propaganda.
00:18:37 He's not in any back brace.
00:18:39 He seems to be fit and fine, having the time of his life.
00:18:44 Why did they lie?
00:18:46 He's not unable to travel.
00:18:48 He traveled across the other side of the ocean.
00:18:51 Was it his involvement with the Chinese Communist Party that was perhaps too much even for Mark Carney himself to stomach?
00:19:00 I don't know.
00:19:01 But someone who's been doing a lot of grassroots research in the Chinese language,
00:19:06 someone who knows her way around Chinese social media, including the powerful app called WeChat, is our friend Andy Lee.
00:19:15 She broke this story a couple days ago and has been going deeper and deeper ever since.
00:19:20 and she joins us now via zoom andy great to see you again and first of all congratulations
00:19:25 you broke this story and a lot of the regime media the mainstream media instead of following
00:19:32 your lead they're trying to attack you contradict you undermine your story i've never seen anything
00:19:40 well it's not true i have seen something like it the regime media is trying to
00:19:44 unreport your reporting what do you make of that well i broke the story that's for sure and then
00:19:51 i think a couple of well-meaning people broke it a little bit further um than that i didn't
00:19:57 break it so uh the important thing is to try to figure out what happened here so we had a very
00:20:04 sudden departure that was announced by sean chen he had said this accident last year and that he
00:20:11 was not able to meet his travel requirements, which would require him to travel back and
00:20:16 forth from Toronto to Ottawa.
00:20:18 I didn't like the way the resignation was put out there suddenly, so I went looking,
00:20:27 and one of my most popular places where I look for information is on WeChat.
00:20:31 WeChat is largely a foreign media language, social media.
00:20:37 A lot of times they put out things that we don't see in English language media.
00:20:41 So I found Sean Chen and numerous videos of him gallivanting around China with a Chinese
00:20:51 social media influencer.
00:20:52 He's very famous. 0.99
00:20:54 He's just Shanbo.
00:20:55 He's accessible online.
00:20:57 You can go look at the videos that were produced in China.
00:21:01 I went a little bit further than that and found out that this was a trip organized by
00:21:07 for Propaganda Committee of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:21:11 The Chinese government initiative, they're looking to promote this culture
00:21:19 that Shantan is a part of, you know, it's hometown culture, it's Haka.
00:21:25 So Haka, historically speaking, well, they have a very vibrant history,
00:21:30 but they're very much feared in Chinese culture.
00:21:33 They were historically known for being great military leaders.
00:21:36 that was kind of their thing they were gorillas um and they were very very important historically
00:21:43 speaking so they have a very rich and vibrant culture so this was something that was commissioned
00:21:50 by the chinese government and we have photos of shan chen his uh companions his travel companions
00:21:59 which included toronto counselors arriving in china and we have a chinese social media influencer
00:22:06 who is saying that, you know, this was approved by the Chinese State Department.
00:22:16 This was arranged by the Overseas Chinese Affairs Office,
00:22:21 which we also know is the United Front Work Department,
00:22:24 the United Front Work Department, the Massive Department.
00:22:27 It's all-encompassing.
00:22:29 You know, I think of it as an influence department, I guess,
00:22:32 for people who don't understand it.
00:22:34 You could think of it as a big military, or sorry, a big marketing department, but it
00:22:39 goes a little bit more than that, because they do sort of a civil-military fusion.
00:22:51 They network, and they use the United Front, you know, committee to network and influence
00:22:58 people, but sometimes they also use it for other things.
00:23:02 they use it like espionage so we have to be very very careful when we work with them the videos
00:23:09 were posted all over the plate they were posted at the end of march that was when i first found it
00:23:15 there were some posted in april and then there were some posted in july so these were put out
00:23:21 by the central propaganda department uh so i was questioning well if sean chen can't work for
00:23:27 comedians why does it appear that he's more than capable for working for the opc well yeah let me
00:23:33 interrupt you for one second because there's no he wasn't tricked by the fact that they were
00:23:39 with the government they weren't hiding their affiliation with the government the entire thing
00:23:43 was official his handlers the the fact that this was chinese communist party messaging i mean it
00:23:52 wasn't like he accidentally was taken advantage of by the ccp am i right i mean it there's no
00:23:58 chance that he's claiming he didn't know who he was dealing with is there there's just no chance
00:24:04 of that that would be a hard sell for me that they didn't know exactly and he hasn't made that
00:24:13 argument i'm just sort of saying um yeah no i i will give shantan a little bit of a little bit
00:24:21 of leeway here and that maybe he doesn't completely understand what is going on i didn't either so
00:24:27 that's why i looked so i learned all about haka and we can share that so haka was again it was
00:24:33 a chinese government initiative uh it there's work orders that have been released they were
00:24:39 released last year they put out new work orders and directives come from the chinese government
00:24:45 for 2026 and they list very clearly what their objectives are and so part of their objective
00:24:52 is to confuse the pack of culture throughout the world and promote it but they also talk about
00:25:00 using it as a way to get into other sectors outside of just the arts and culture sector
00:25:09 For instance, they talk about mixing HACA culture, education, and with AI.
00:25:18 And part of their objectives are also doing data center management and things like that,
00:25:25 advanced artificial intelligence.
00:25:28 So there's all sorts of things that are under this HACA initiative that go a little bit
00:25:34 further than maybe what Sean Chen was aware of.
00:25:37 again i'm still familiarizing myself with this well let me ask you this he knew that this was a
00:25:44 chinese government state directed initiative so he has helped to fulfill this now important is that
00:25:52 he also with joe lee put forward a petition some time ago in parliament which he's been largely
00:25:58 absent from but he did take the time to put a petition in saying that they wanted to promote
00:26:03 hacka culture and so they had this big hacka conference in markup and the same influencer
00:26:12 has been toronto and china and was that hacka conference in in markham ontario
00:26:18 was that directed or organized or funded by the chinese government that's a good question i don't
00:26:26 know i know that they had their influencer here doing things and this isn't the only time that
00:26:35 they've been doing these cross uh these cross international exchanges either so
00:26:44 there's still a lot of questions right i wouldn't say that we exactly clarified um it's really hard
00:26:52 to say when exactly all of these took place because there's a lot of stuff out there and
00:27:00 some of it isn't easily distinguished as to when it was taken but it's obvious that the
00:27:08 central propaganda department has got a lot of footage of these canadians politicians
00:27:16 they're using this footage which is a lot of promotional videos right they're eating noodles
00:27:21 they're getting frozen yogurt
00:27:22 they're going to ports
00:27:25 right so they're
00:27:26 doing all these sort of things that you would
00:27:29 see from a brand ambassador
00:27:31 right
00:27:32 here's my thing though is that these guys
00:27:35 who apparently do almost nothing
00:27:37 in parliament took the time
00:27:39 to say that they wanted to do a petition for
00:27:41 hackiculture
00:27:41 they didn't post any of this hackicultural
00:27:45 stuff that they did on China
00:27:46 for the people who were voting for them
00:27:49 right
00:27:49 is all this video all these videos and photos and websites of what they're doing in china
00:27:56 you discovered that on wechat he was not sharing that on his canadian twitter or x account he was
00:28:03 not reporting to his actual voters and taxpayers it was as if he was working for the pleasure of
00:28:10 china i mean he am i right he wasn't sharing this stuff in a visible way back home here in canada
00:28:17 Well, the confusion stemmed from the fact that nobody knew that he was there
00:28:21 because they wouldn't post any of this stuff,
00:28:25 which leads to more questions.
00:28:27 And there's other possibilities there.
00:28:29 It could be that they weren't being receptive.
00:28:32 It could be that they weren't permitted.
00:28:34 That could be a condition.
00:28:38 It's not uncommon for people to get muzzled by the Chinese Communist Party
00:28:43 and they control what sort of information they allow out very, very carefully.
00:28:47 So we don't know.
00:28:49 We don't know if they were just not posting it
00:28:51 because they just knew it could reflect potentially badly on them
00:28:55 because it was a state-sponsored event.
00:29:01 Or perhaps they were told that they were not allowed to post on the trip
00:29:04 and that the central propaganda department would be taking care of everything.
00:29:09 and maybe they were as surprised
00:29:12 as we are to see how this stuff
00:29:14 is being put out
00:29:15 so once they know the real answer
00:29:18 I think that it should be clarified
00:29:19 I do think we need to clarify though
00:29:22 are we doing
00:29:23 trips to China? 1.00
00:29:25 It's a free for all
00:29:26 is that okay now?
00:29:30 That politicians can just
00:29:31 go on state parties
00:29:33 whenever they like
00:29:35 and then come back and be too tired
00:29:38 to show up to vote
00:29:39 in person for the people who elected them i'm sorry they didn't elect people as far as i'm
00:29:45 concerned on the mandate to be brand investors for the chinese party uh communist party uh
00:29:52 yeah so i'm not i'm not really sure i'm still looking into it yeah well you're doing more
00:29:58 journalism than most capital j journalists i mean in fact i've seen um one name that comes to mind
00:30:06 is, oh, that fellow from CTV. I just forgot his name. He's really an attack dog for CTV
00:30:14 when Stephen Harper was in prime minister. But now he's attacking you and trying to
00:30:21 snuff out the story. I see more regime journalists focused on stopping the story
00:30:27 than trying to illuminate the story. It's quite something. Let me ask you, has your story
00:30:34 broken into the mainstream media yet i mean it's very lively online i i saw the toronto sun had an
00:30:42 article but it was taken down i don't know if it's back up do you know if any mainstream media
00:30:46 are following your lead here well i talked to joe yesterday so i did talk to to them about this
00:30:57 um and i just said i'm not entirely sure what's going on that's why i'm asking questions right
00:31:04 because I've got these videos.
00:31:07 We have an MP who says that he can't travel.
00:31:11 Things seem to appear otherwise.
00:31:14 So I think that there is.
00:31:15 I think that it's just very difficult, again,
00:31:18 to determine exactly what went on.
00:31:23 And there's new things that are still coming out.
00:31:25 We had the letter.
00:31:26 The letter was a big thing that we put out.
00:31:29 And they did do the proper thing,
00:31:31 and they did send the letter to the ethics commissioner
00:31:33 to let them know that they were going on a trip to China.
00:31:37 I don't know if that leather is exactly adequate.
00:31:39 I think that if they had to put out, oh, by the way,
00:31:43 it's the propaganda party is going to be hustling us around,
00:31:48 taking videos for them to use to promote ports
00:31:52 that we don't know anything about.
00:31:54 Keep in mind, we don't know anything about this,
00:31:56 and this wasn't Joe Lee's first trip advertising at four.
00:31:59 right you know he's not there to advertise for it that's not why we elected him i have in my hand
00:32:08 an example glenn mcgregor was the reporter i was thinking of earlier who was a real attack dog when
00:32:13 harper was pm but now he's literally reposting liberal party talking points and here he is a
00:32:20 few hours ago he says here's a statement from soon-to-be former liberal mp sean chen's office
00:32:25 on unfounded allegations made by some influencers and i mean he he he if it's not mark carney 0.81
00:32:34 propaganda he's serving up chinese communist party propaganda the thing is he's such an attack dog
00:32:40 when it's a conservative pm where is he here it's sort of weird to me that guys like glenn mcgregor
00:32:47 are not pursuing the story they're trying to cover it up and to me the biggest thing is how did this
00:32:53 all happen sean chen said i'm i'm resigning because i have had a terrible accident and can't
00:32:59 travel and we all see with our own eyes that he traveled and is smiling so that obviously can't
00:33:05 be the real reason and my theory i don't know what you think of my theory andy is that maybe
00:33:10 he was getting so chummy with the chinese communist party there was literally no dividing line between
00:33:15 him and the ccp and maybe one of our five eyes security partners like the united states said 0.98
00:33:22 listen Canada you've got a rogue guy there who is full in with communist China you better deal 0.99
00:33:28 with that because it's becoming a problem for all of us and then the liberal party just found an 0.65
00:33:33 excuse oh remember that accident you had that's my theory because I don't know even Glenn McGregor
00:33:39 cannot come up with an explanation for why he resigned and claimed he was you know morbidly
00:33:48 uh injured when he's just doing fine i don't know if you have any thoughts on that
00:33:52 i have a lot of thoughts i mean it's a theory it's a speculative theory on my part
00:34:00 but i don't i don't know the real answer why did you really resign let's address that there's two
00:34:06 sorts of journalists in canada there were journalists that looked at that resignation
00:34:10 letter and thought about it they wouldn't ask any questions that i i truly believe it was our
00:34:16 american friends who said you guys have gone too far you've got to you've got to get rid of sean
00:34:21 chenny's he's not even working for canada at this point that's that's my own belief i believe maybe
00:34:27 that it's possible that sean chen spoke in more public china than in our parliament so
00:34:34 um and you know what exactly i just i my big thing here is you know if these guys were elected
00:34:45 mandate to serve Canadian.
00:34:52 Sean Chen,
00:34:53 again, I'm going to give him
00:34:57 the benefit of the doubt
00:34:59 because I understand China
00:35:01 a little bit.
00:35:04 It's possible that
00:35:05 Sean Chen just had a look at
00:35:07 what was going on and said,
00:35:09 you know what, guys? I'm out.
00:35:11 I'm not doing this.
00:35:13 I'm not going to hustle around
00:35:14 like a, you know, a pawn for these guys.
00:35:20 Maybe he had had enough.
00:35:21 There was a lot of requests being made on the videos
00:35:26 where they were asking for meetings.
00:35:30 We want FaceTime, right?
00:35:31 This is the federal politician we have in China.
00:35:34 Can you get us this?
00:35:35 It could be that they were asking reciprocity
00:35:39 and asking for access
00:35:43 and maybe he just thought, you know what?
00:35:46 I'm not comfortable with doing this anymore.
00:35:49 Maybe he didn't.
00:35:50 Maybe he walked into the hands of all of it.
00:35:53 That's the most charitable explanation I've heard.
00:35:56 Well, again, I don't know exactly.
00:35:59 I know that I've certainly received some strange messages from China.
00:36:06 If you don't do what they like you to do, 0.98
00:36:10 first of all, they're not serving these Canadians.
00:36:13 this group this this council group they're not they're saying hey how can we help out these
00:36:18 canadian politicians they're saying how can we get these canadian politicians to work for us
00:36:24 yeah right so if they're not doing that bidding and serving the party the way that they're expected
00:36:33 then i don't know right maybe they told sean chen it was time for him to go and that they
00:36:42 He needed somebody who was a bit more receptive and effective.
00:36:45 Well, I tell you, if there was someone who was more loving,
00:36:49 I mean, it would be downright erotic.
00:36:50 It would be an R-rated video if he was more in love with the Chinese Communist Party.
00:36:55 I mean, the videos and the photos on WeChat,
00:36:58 he certainly doesn't look like he's being asked to do anything against his will.
00:37:02 Time will tell, I think. 0.91
00:37:04 But we certainly won't learn anything from the Glenn McGregors of this world. 1.00
00:37:08 Andy, I hope you stay on this file. 0.99
00:37:10 I hope maybe someone in the government who's so frustrated with this leaks some information to you.
00:37:18 There's got to be some people at CSIS who are just beside themselves that this is being allowed to happen.
00:37:23 And I know that if I want to learn more about this, I've got to follow you as opposed to CTV or the Globe and Mail who have made a corporate decision to look the other way.
00:37:34 That's all I know.
00:37:35 Andy, keep in touch, my friend.
00:37:36 Thanks for everything.
00:37:38 Thank you.
00:37:40 There she is, Andy Lee, independent journalist and a must-visit site for what's going on.
00:37:45 Stay with us.
00:37:46 Your letters to me next.
00:37:56 Hey, welcome back.
00:37:57 We got a ton of emails about the various data center reports I've done.
00:38:02 First, talking to the critics and the protesters and then talking to the minister.
00:38:07 Elfguy says data centers cause so much damage to the environment and also produce infrared sound,
00:38:13 infrasound, which is terrible for humans getting blasted nonstop for decades.
00:38:19 I just don't think that's correct.
00:38:21 What environmental damage?
00:38:23 I mean, it's basically a huge warehouse with computers in it.
00:38:27 And if you saw my report with Nate Lubish, it's literally next to huge refineries.
00:38:33 It's in the middle of nowhere on land that's clearly not prime farmland and there's no residential around it.
00:38:41 I don't know what you mean by infrasounds, but it's miles away from the nearest housing community.
00:38:48 I just think you're wrong about that.
00:38:50 When I went to the protest, people were saying, oh, there's cancer and the bees are dying and there's emissions.
00:38:57 And I thought, none of this is true.
00:39:00 They're just throwing everything at it.
00:39:01 And I think I know why.
00:39:03 It's because they don't like AI.
00:39:05 They're afraid of AI.
00:39:07 And they think, well, maybe I can stop the data centers.
00:39:11 It would stop the AI.
00:39:13 Okay, then say that.
00:39:15 Say that's why you're against it.
00:39:16 But don't say it's environmentally devastating.
00:39:20 It's just not.
00:39:22 Kevin Smith says, when Trudeau says net zero, he's really just talking about his IQ.
00:39:27 You know what?
00:39:28 But I keep on saying that Trudeau has truly found the right partner in Katy Perry.
00:39:35 I really think so.
00:39:37 We've got one more letter here.
00:39:39 It's from Streaming Now, who says,
00:39:41 Data centers should be built in the north where it's naturally cold.
00:39:46 I think that's a big selling point, actually.
00:39:49 And that's one of the things Nate Gloobish mentioned to me.
00:39:52 I mean, if you're building a data center in Texas, I mean, that's positively tropical.
00:39:57 It's not quite tropical, but it's hot down there.
00:40:00 Some of those southern states where they're being built, whereas Canada, at least for half the year, it's quite cold.
00:40:08 And there's a huge source of energy in the form of natural gas.
00:40:12 And there's so much land.
00:40:13 There's nobody up there.
00:40:15 I don't know if you saw my video.
00:40:16 There's no one there other than other heavy industry.
00:40:20 I see protests against data centers across Canada.
00:40:23 And every time I do, I say, you know what?
00:40:26 If they drive away that data center, that data center should go to northern Alberta.
00:40:31 I mean, why not have it as the place to go?
00:40:33 And by the way, liberal politicians for a decade have blocked Alberta from exporting natural gas.
00:40:41 Fine. Use it domestically for build natural gas fire power plants to get these data centers going.
00:40:47 I actually love the idea more all the time because it's a way of saying, well, we don't actually need your pipelines.
00:40:53 We don't actually need your ports.
00:40:54 We don't actually need the major projects office in Ottawa to tell us what we can or can't do. We'll just build these and there's nothing in the federal jurisdiction that can stop it. And Alberta's used to work instead of protests.
00:41:08 I think this I think this will actually end up being, as Nate Kluber said, a hundred billion dollar industry in Alberta and, you know, other places like Ontario and Quebec and B.C., they'll just use the data, but they won't have the economic benefits.
00:41:26 I'd like your views on that, though, and I'm certainly getting an earful from people who disagree with me, but I hope I'm making my position clear.
00:41:34 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.
00:41:38 And keep fighting for freedom.