Rebel News Podcast - August 13, 2026


EZRA LEVANT ｜ Carney minister Marc Miller denies UK censorship talks despite ATIP paper trail


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00:00:00.240 Hello, my friends. It's just a quick mention in Black Locks, an independent news story,
00:00:06.340 that Mark Miller, a Canadian cabinet minister, met with his counterpart in the UK to talk
00:00:11.900 about social cohesion. That's code for censoring people who have, quote, grievances. It's a
00:00:19.560 way of silencing dissent. Now, he denies it, but they've got the paperwork. I'll take you
00:00:24.200 through it today. Plus, an interview with Andy Lee about what she's found about Sean
00:00:28.660 Chen, the Chinese Communist Party asset, who came up with a fake excuse for resigning from
00:00:35.480 Canada's parliament. But first, let me invite you to become a subscriber to Rebel News Plus. It's
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00:00:58.660 Tonight, a Kearney cabinet minister is caught talking about censorship with his UK counterparts,
00:01:13.480 but then he denies it. It's August 13th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:20.920 Shame on you, you censorious bug.
00:01:28.660 you know what's dangerous these non-crime hate incidents we did a whole show on it the other day
00:01:39.220 the edmonton police campaign where they actually decked out buses saying report
00:01:44.620 non-crimes including offensive jokes as i showed you i think that's an important story actually
00:01:51.320 that that's going on across canada it's just that for some reason the edmonton campaign went viral
00:01:58.100 that day because i think of their buses uh by the way they are still looking into non-crime hate
00:02:04.400 incidents just because they took the tweet down doesn't mean anything um the rcmp full tilt on
00:02:10.960 that stuff i don't think i've seen an arrest yet where people like in the uk are accosted at their
00:02:18.660 homes by police holding a facebook post or something uh but i sure hope that's not coming
00:02:25.020 the times of london as you know says that 30 people a day are arrested in the uk that's such
00:02:33.040 a staggeringly large number so it's with that in the back of my mind that edmonton police story
00:02:40.020 was fresh in my mind that i saw a story in today's black locks report you know what black locks is
00:02:45.540 it's one of like three companies in canada that doesn't take a government subsidy to do journalism
00:02:51.140 and which is why they can do real work.
00:02:52.980 And they had a report today called
00:02:54.460 Study Social Cohesion Plan.
00:02:58.260 I'm going to read, give me about 90 seconds.
00:03:00.660 I want to read to you what Blacklock said.
00:03:03.840 Heritage Minister Mark Miller on a July junket
00:03:06.540 to the United Kingdom scheduled confidential briefings
00:03:10.900 on a Labour Party proposal to promote, quote,
00:03:13.440 social cohesion, according to an access to information memo.
00:03:17.740 A Labour report targeted individuals
00:03:20.260 that called digital grifters and politicians of grievance the united kingdom's secretary of state
00:03:28.520 for housing recently released an action plan protecting what matters towards a more confident
00:03:32.920 cohesive and resilient united kingdom to strengthen social cohesion and tackle hate and discrimination
00:03:39.560 said the memo the united kingdom was quote an important partner in online safety
00:03:46.340 It said, I'll read a little more.
00:03:49.340 Miller was in Glasgow, that's in Scotland, to attend the July 23rd Commonwealth Games.
00:03:54.640 The memo, ministers visit to the United Kingdom and Ireland in July said additional meetings were scheduled, including discussion of the action plan.
00:04:03.360 So it's important to point out that this is not some speculation.
00:04:08.260 This is in the memo that was released through Access to Information.
00:04:11.960 I'll read one more sentence.
00:04:12.780 Labor's April 28th plan proposed, quote, new tools to combat conduct deemed divisive.
00:04:20.880 Quote, we will develop new tools and powers to disrupt organizations that spread extremism, hate, and threaten public safety.
00:04:28.580 He has said, we will not tolerate efforts of individuals to sow division, stir anger against those with religious, political, or social views different to theirs, or spread extremist intolerant beliefs that undermine our shared values, said protecting what matters.
00:04:46.300 The report added we can and must do more in a world where so many people, digital grifters, hostile states, politicians of grievance, have a vested interest in division.
00:04:56.860 we need to be much more active in asserting British values. Got it. So a politician of
00:05:03.620 grievance, I'm guessing, is someone who thinks there's a problem to be fixed. That's what a
00:05:08.220 grievance means. It even is a technical legal term in a union arbitration, for example. I have
00:05:13.460 a grievance against the employer. I have a problem that needs to be solved. Isn't every single
00:05:19.940 opposition party in history, isn't that, I guess, technically a politician of grievance?
00:05:26.860 And frankly, aren't a lot of politicians in power politicians of grievance?
00:05:33.880 They express anger with some enemy or some status quo.
00:05:39.440 Isn't every politician sort of supposed to have a grievance and then try and solve it?
00:05:46.000 What do they mean they want to stop politicians of grievance?
00:05:49.480 What's a digital grifter?
00:05:51.120 Someone who, I don't know, makes money online.
00:05:53.560 That's the entire media, I guess.
00:05:56.420 everything from the Toronto Star to Rebel News, makes money on the internet. What are they saying
00:06:02.680 other than sneering? Isn't this really code for whoever we don't like? Now, Mark Miller himself
00:06:10.720 has used that phrase, social cohesion, in Canada. And he used that phrase a long time before he went
00:06:19.080 to Scotland. He was even asked about it in a committee by a conservative MP, Rachel Thomas,
00:06:25.220 who said um well basically demanded a definition here watch this exchange we've shown you this
00:06:32.500 before it's very interesting it's good to re-watch it now in light of the edmonton police story and
00:06:38.260 this new memo uh thank you minister uh my first question for you is you recently made a statement
00:06:43.500 after becoming minister that uh part of the responsibility of cbc is to foster what you
00:06:48.400 called quote social cohesion can you explain for the committee what you meant by social cohesion
00:06:53.320 The reason I ask is because experienced journalists have stated that these words, this term, is often used by the People's Republic of China to mean state control and zero tolerance for challenges.
00:07:06.880 That seems counter to the values that we hold here in Canada, and so I'm curious as to what you meant by social cohesion.
00:07:12.360 I think in an age that we're all living through of intense disinformation, there is less social cohesion as falsities are propagated through media sources, both legitimate and illegitimate.
00:07:35.280 But integral to a healthy democracy, indeed the fourth pillar of our democracy, is a healthy
00:07:43.440 media ecosystem that exercises, rightly, its freedom of expression.
00:07:49.120 Again, integral to that is a state-financed public media that is the CBC or Radio Canada,
00:07:59.940 not state-controlled.
00:08:01.740 Indeed, the CBC's mandate is one that is ferociously independent,
00:08:07.980 and we should all defend that, whether they are saying good or bad things about us.
00:08:12.300 So when there is a lack of support for a public broadcaster,
00:08:20.360 I think that contributes to the spread of disinformation,
00:08:26.920 and social cohesion is therefore affected.
00:08:30.220 It's not about any sort of command and control of the media system that you may see in other countries, but indeed in part of it and integral to a healthy democracy.
00:08:40.680 So an age of disinformation, and there's falsities that the government alone can fix, and there's legitimate sources, but there's also illegitimate sources of information?
00:08:55.120 Isn't that funny?
00:08:56.240 That's sort of like Justin Trudeau's language about people who have obscure views that ought not to be accepted.
00:09:06.200 What does Mike Miller mean by an illegitimate media source?
00:09:09.700 is that even for politicians to determine now we know he loves the cbc um again in another memo
00:09:17.240 and uh just uh i guess almost a year ago he said it was the cbc's job to promote social cohesion
00:09:25.640 you may recall the document back then quote the cbc is a pillar of our cultural identity
00:09:32.160 and a cornerstone of sovereignty that's what the internal memo said i'm not sure if that's true
00:09:37.440 um there was this big report done for the canadian government about strengthening social
00:09:44.400 cohesion that's what rachel thomas was asking about let me quote a little bit from it there
00:09:48.240 are foreign state efforts to drive social division said the note fostering canadian identity to
00:09:54.880 strengthen our sovereignty and social cohesion other trends include disinformation campaigns
00:10:00.120 launched by foreign actors the amplification of divisive content on social media platforms
00:10:06.080 and a growing over-reliance on foreign-owned platforms and content, threaten our information
00:10:12.280 sovereignty, and continue to drive polarization and undermine our social cohesion.
00:10:20.500 You know, the government routinely accuses its enemies in Canada of being foreign operatives. 1.00
00:10:29.020 Chrystia Freeland was atrocious at that. Anyone who disagreed with shoveling billions of dollars 0.99
00:10:33.980 towards Ukraine was called the Putin agent. You might recall the CBC called the truckers
00:10:39.540 organized by Putin. And I even saw some academic the other day in Alberta saying that the Alberta
00:10:45.340 independence referendum is somehow connected to Putin. I'm not kidding. I saw that. It's just the
00:10:50.960 go-to. I think that blamestorming and demonizing legitimate contrary views as being foreign 0.98
00:11:01.480 motivated i think that erodes social cohesion um but this uh the story today in black locks had a
00:11:08.640 lot of legs i saw that our friends at juno news did a little write-up on it and the lobby group
00:11:13.420 canada proud tweeted it and i think canadians are concerned that the liberals are so obsessed
00:11:19.660 with censorship as i said routinely under justin trudeau's tenure he introduced i think four
00:11:26.040 different censorship bills, which is more than he introduced on any other subject. I mean,
00:11:32.480 whether it was inflation or housing or whatever he claimed to care about, when push came to shove,
00:11:39.200 his legislative priority was censorship. And I think a lot of Canadians sort of feel that.
00:11:46.220 So the story had legs today that Black Locks reporter did. I love those guys.
00:11:50.300 and um i mentioned that tweet by canada proud so uh shopify we've talked a lot about shopify lately
00:11:57.560 it's canada's biggest tech company it's basically if you're doing any e-commerce online with a
00:12:03.860 website odds are shopify is part of it so their boss toby lutke replied with one word
00:12:10.880 dystopian so he read the tweet and he said dystopian and i think he's german by descent
00:12:17.880 And so, I mean, listen, Germany, both under the Nazis and under the communists, had a lot of censorship.
00:12:25.440 I mean, it was called the SS under the Nazis, but then it was called the Stasi under the communists.
00:12:33.200 So that censorship is something that a German would be very aware of.
00:12:36.320 He called it dystopian.
00:12:37.760 But Mark Miller replied, isn't that interesting?
00:12:41.180 He said, maybe if it were true, but it isn't.
00:12:45.040 I met with a Scottish cabinet secretary and the first minister.
00:12:48.760 We discussed nothing of the sort.
00:12:50.500 Although I did cheer on our amazing athletes at the Commonwealth Games,
00:12:53.600 the most controversial thing I did was drink an iron brew.
00:12:58.380 Yeah, I'm not sure about that.
00:13:00.600 I mean, it wouldn't be the first time in history that a politician lied.
00:13:04.540 He's probably playing word games saying, oh, no, no, I didn't talk about censorship.
00:13:08.500 I just talked about Internet safety.
00:13:11.700 Oh, no, no, no, no.
00:13:12.440 We're not regulating political thought.
00:13:14.260 we're just uh cracking down on online harms you know it's when you get into orwellian business
00:13:21.460 you have to make sure that the other side isn't playing tricky word games on you but the document
00:13:27.440 that uh that black locks referred to was a confidential document so i suppose it would
00:13:34.020 be like if a secret was revealed does the government confirm it was revealed or they
00:13:38.460 try and keep it secret i don't trust mark miller when he says that he didn't have a discussion
00:13:43.400 about censorship when his own program when his own schedule said that's what they would be talking
00:13:49.320 about and when his own documents here in canada talk about it you saw the exchange with the
00:13:55.140 conservative uh mp black locks uh went on at some length the labor party document called protecting
00:14:02.260 what matters here's what they say um they quote from it they say new tools and powers to disrupt
00:14:08.220 organizations that spread extremism hate and threaten public safety i mentioned that before
00:14:13.260 um but that line digital grifters politicians of grievance here's an interesting point of view
00:14:20.920 i'm against having russia china iran qatar ukraine america medal in our politics in canada i want
00:14:30.400 canadian politics to be for canadians it's one of the reasons i'm frustrated when i see foreign
00:14:35.640 nationals just off the airplane from i don't know afghanistan or syria or pakistan or india
00:14:42.960 jump right into politics don't bring that politics here um so the government is saying that they're
00:14:49.320 on the hunt for hostile states okay but in the same sentence they say they're worried about
00:14:55.920 politicians of grievance and digital grifters so they're comparing foreign dictatorships like china
00:15:03.420 and Iran with critics domestically that they don't like, the elected opposition.
00:15:11.640 You know, I heard that word community cohesion first in the United Kingdom, and that's one
00:15:18.420 of the reasons I really enjoyed going over there.
00:15:20.220 I always said it was like a dystopian time machine, and what I saw happen today would
00:15:24.780 happen in Canada 10 years later.
00:15:26.220 So I watched in real time as a tweet went around on the internet about the Rotherham rape gangs. 0.91
00:15:35.960 You might recall that this small city of 250,000 people, 1,400 young British girls were raped overwhelmingly by Pakistani Muslim men. 0.90
00:15:47.020 And it was a shocking story. 0.92
00:15:49.360 And it wasn't just rape one time.
00:15:51.680 It was repeatedly over and over by gangs of men.
00:15:54.920 the most shocking thing you could ever possibly imagine. And there was this crazy tweet that
00:16:05.960 someone wrote, and I don't know who it was that wrote it the first time, but they said
00:16:11.640 those abused girls in Rotherham just need to shut their mouths for the good of diversity,
00:16:20.280 for the good of social cohesion and a sitting labor member of parliament her name was naz
00:16:27.780 shaw from bradford west saw that tweet and liked it and retweeted it she endorsed it i don't know
00:16:36.240 who wrote it in the first place but she was she read it and said yeah those rape victims should
00:16:42.620 shut up in the name of diversity and social cohesion that's what social cohesion means
00:16:51.300 it means shutting down anyone who has a grievance including in the uk in that case
00:16:57.200 the rape of 1400 girls what does the uk mean when they talk about banning people well
00:17:04.080 you may remember that i myself have been banned from the uk just a few months ago
00:17:08.620 because they said I was not conducive to the public good.
00:17:12.040 It's another way of saying I'm not part of their social cohesion.
00:17:16.320 You know, Rachel Thomas said this whole thing was a Chinese idea. 0.99
00:17:21.020 Yeah, I get it.
00:17:22.500 But it was also an Orwellian idea, and he was a Brit. 0.69
00:17:26.260 And unfortunately, in the UK and Canada,
00:17:28.960 we both followed the example.
00:17:32.460 Stay with us for more.
00:17:38.620 Who is Sean Chen?
00:17:45.820 It's a more complicated question than it sounds like.
00:17:49.680 He's a member of Parliament and has been for years in the Greater Toronto Area.
00:17:54.300 A Liberal, of course. 1.00
00:17:55.920 Funny thing is, a lot of MPs, including old-timers,
00:17:59.620 said they've never heard of him before.
00:18:01.640 Never seen him before.
00:18:03.240 And I was poking around on the Parliamentary Hansard website.
00:18:07.220 Sometimes a year will go by and he'll speak in Parliament a single time.
00:18:13.240 A curious thing happened more recently, though.
00:18:16.260 He's announced his resignation from Parliament saying he had a terrible car accident that has left him unable to travel.
00:18:24.800 Normally, of course, condolences and sympathy would be the order of the day.
00:18:28.680 But there he is, popping up on Chinese social media in China, celebrating Chinese propaganda.
00:18:37.200 He's not in any back brace.
00:18:39.140 He seems to be fit and fine, having the time of his life.
00:18:44.660 Why did they lie?
00:18:46.480 He's not unable to travel.
00:18:48.860 He traveled across the other side of the ocean.
00:18:51.740 Was it his involvement with the Chinese Communist Party that was perhaps too much even for Mark Carney himself to stomach?
00:19:00.240 I don't know.
00:19:01.180 But someone who's been doing a lot of grassroots research in the Chinese language,
00:19:06.540 someone who knows her way around Chinese social media, including the powerful app called WeChat, is our friend Andy Lee.
00:19:15.340 She broke this story a couple days ago and has been going deeper and deeper ever since.
00:19:20.060 and she joins us now via zoom andy great to see you again and first of all congratulations
00:19:25.100 you broke this story and a lot of the regime media the mainstream media instead of following
00:19:32.620 your lead they're trying to attack you contradict you undermine your story i've never seen anything
00:19:40.340 well it's not true i have seen something like it the regime media is trying to
00:19:44.640 unreport your reporting what do you make of that well i broke the story that's for sure and then
00:19:51.120 i think a couple of well-meaning people broke it a little bit further um than that i didn't
00:19:57.400 break it so uh the important thing is to try to figure out what happened here so we had a very
00:20:04.060 sudden departure that was announced by sean chen he had said this accident last year and that he
00:20:11.680 was not able to meet his travel requirements, which would require him to travel back and
00:20:16.100 forth from Toronto to Ottawa.
00:20:18.780 I didn't like the way the resignation was put out there suddenly, so I went looking,
00:20:27.180 and one of my most popular places where I look for information is on WeChat.
00:20:31.360 WeChat is largely a foreign media language, social media.
00:20:37.200 A lot of times they put out things that we don't see in English language media.
00:20:41.680 So I found Sean Chen and numerous videos of him gallivanting around China with a Chinese
00:20:51.680 social media influencer.
00:20:52.680 He's very famous. 0.99
00:20:54.680 He's just Shanbo.
00:20:55.680 He's accessible online.
00:20:57.680 You can go look at the videos that were produced in China.
00:21:01.680 I went a little bit further than that and found out that this was a trip organized by
00:21:07.680 for Propaganda Committee of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:21:11.480 The Chinese government initiative, they're looking to promote this culture
00:21:19.020 that Shantan is a part of, you know, it's hometown culture, it's Haka.
00:21:25.280 So Haka, historically speaking, well, they have a very vibrant history,
00:21:30.320 but they're very much feared in Chinese culture.
00:21:33.420 They were historically known for being great military leaders.
00:21:36.840 that was kind of their thing they were gorillas um and they were very very important historically
00:21:43.800 speaking so they have a very rich and vibrant culture so this was something that was commissioned
00:21:50.760 by the chinese government and we have photos of shan chen his uh companions his travel companions
00:21:59.640 which included toronto counselors arriving in china and we have a chinese social media influencer
00:22:06.840 who is saying that, you know, this was approved by the Chinese State Department.
00:22:16.260 This was arranged by the Overseas Chinese Affairs Office,
00:22:21.540 which we also know is the United Front Work Department,
00:22:24.800 the United Front Work Department, the Massive Department.
00:22:27.280 It's all-encompassing.
00:22:29.880 You know, I think of it as an influence department, I guess,
00:22:32.840 for people who don't understand it.
00:22:34.040 You could think of it as a big military, or sorry, a big marketing department, but it
00:22:39.180 goes a little bit more than that, because they do sort of a civil-military fusion.
00:22:51.080 They network, and they use the United Front, you know, committee to network and influence
00:22:58.520 people, but sometimes they also use it for other things.
00:23:02.620 they use it like espionage so we have to be very very careful when we work with them the videos
00:23:09.900 were posted all over the plate they were posted at the end of march that was when i first found it
00:23:15.500 there were some posted in april and then there were some posted in july so these were put out
00:23:21.420 by the central propaganda department uh so i was questioning well if sean chen can't work for
00:23:27.340 comedians why does it appear that he's more than capable for working for the opc well yeah let me
00:23:33.800 interrupt you for one second because there's no he wasn't tricked by the fact that they were
00:23:39.120 with the government they weren't hiding their affiliation with the government the entire thing
00:23:43.800 was official his handlers the the fact that this was chinese communist party messaging i mean it
00:23:52.080 wasn't like he accidentally was taken advantage of by the ccp am i right i mean it there's no
00:23:58.560 chance that he's claiming he didn't know who he was dealing with is there there's just no chance
00:24:04.860 of that that would be a hard sell for me that they didn't know exactly and he hasn't made that
00:24:13.740 argument i'm just sort of saying um yeah no i i will give shantan a little bit of a little bit
00:24:21.140 of leeway here and that maybe he doesn't completely understand what is going on i didn't either so
00:24:27.700 that's why i looked so i learned all about haka and we can share that so haka was again it was
00:24:33.720 a chinese government initiative uh it there's work orders that have been released they were
00:24:39.840 released last year they put out new work orders and directives come from the chinese government
00:24:45.000 for 2026 and they list very clearly what their objectives are and so part of their objective
00:24:52.440 is to confuse the pack of culture throughout the world and promote it but they also talk about
00:25:00.960 using it as a way to get into other sectors outside of just the arts and culture sector
00:25:09.100 For instance, they talk about mixing HACA culture, education, and with AI.
00:25:18.320 And part of their objectives are also doing data center management and things like that,
00:25:25.220 advanced artificial intelligence.
00:25:28.060 So there's all sorts of things that are under this HACA initiative that go a little bit
00:25:34.240 further than maybe what Sean Chen was aware of.
00:25:37.140 again i'm still familiarizing myself with this well let me ask you this he knew that this was a
00:25:44.580 chinese government state directed initiative so he has helped to fulfill this now important is that
00:25:52.260 he also with joe lee put forward a petition some time ago in parliament which he's been largely
00:25:58.900 absent from but he did take the time to put a petition in saying that they wanted to promote
00:26:03.700 hacka culture and so they had this big hacka conference in markup and the same influencer
00:26:12.340 has been toronto and china and was that hacka conference in in markham ontario
00:26:18.100 was that directed or organized or funded by the chinese government that's a good question i don't
00:26:26.340 know i know that they had their influencer here doing things and this isn't the only time that
00:26:35.380 they've been doing these cross uh these cross international exchanges either so
00:26:44.660 there's still a lot of questions right i wouldn't say that we exactly clarified um it's really hard
00:26:52.260 to say when exactly all of these took place because there's a lot of stuff out there and
00:27:00.580 some of it isn't easily distinguished as to when it was taken but it's obvious that the
00:27:08.900 central propaganda department has got a lot of footage of these canadians politicians
00:27:16.020 they're using this footage which is a lot of promotional videos right they're eating noodles
00:27:21.380 they're getting frozen yogurt
00:27:22.840 they're going to ports
00:27:25.140 right so they're
00:27:26.940 doing all these sort of things that you would
00:27:29.140 see from a brand ambassador
00:27:31.660 right
00:27:32.340 here's my thing though is that these guys
00:27:35.600 who apparently do almost nothing
00:27:37.460 in parliament took the time
00:27:39.260 to say that they wanted to do a petition for
00:27:41.360 hackiculture
00:27:41.940 they didn't post any of this hackicultural
00:27:45.440 stuff that they did on China
00:27:46.880 for the people who were voting for them
00:27:49.120 right
00:27:49.840 is all this video all these videos and photos and websites of what they're doing in china
00:27:56.640 you discovered that on wechat he was not sharing that on his canadian twitter or x account he was
00:28:03.960 not reporting to his actual voters and taxpayers it was as if he was working for the pleasure of
00:28:10.680 china i mean he am i right he wasn't sharing this stuff in a visible way back home here in canada
00:28:17.900 Well, the confusion stemmed from the fact that nobody knew that he was there
00:28:21.720 because they wouldn't post any of this stuff,
00:28:25.180 which leads to more questions.
00:28:27.220 And there's other possibilities there.
00:28:29.160 It could be that they weren't being receptive.
00:28:32.360 It could be that they weren't permitted.
00:28:34.560 That could be a condition.
00:28:38.020 It's not uncommon for people to get muzzled by the Chinese Communist Party
00:28:43.540 and they control what sort of information they allow out very, very carefully.
00:28:47.920 So we don't know.
00:28:49.640 We don't know if they were just not posting it
00:28:51.980 because they just knew it could reflect potentially badly on them
00:28:55.900 because it was a state-sponsored event.
00:29:01.160 Or perhaps they were told that they were not allowed to post on the trip
00:29:04.880 and that the central propaganda department would be taking care of everything.
00:29:09.540 and maybe they were as surprised
00:29:12.200 as we are to see how this stuff
00:29:14.160 is being put out
00:29:15.160 so once they know the real answer
00:29:18.260 I think that it should be clarified
00:29:19.920 I do think we need to clarify though
00:29:22.100 are we doing
00:29:23.360 trips to China? 1.00
00:29:25.500 It's a free for all
00:29:26.600 is that okay now?
00:29:30.000 That politicians can just
00:29:31.440 go on state parties
00:29:33.200 whenever they like
00:29:35.060 and then come back and be too tired
00:29:38.000 to show up to vote
00:29:39.140 in person for the people who elected them i'm sorry they didn't elect people as far as i'm
00:29:45.620 concerned on the mandate to be brand investors for the chinese party uh communist party uh
00:29:52.580 yeah so i'm not i'm not really sure i'm still looking into it yeah well you're doing more
00:29:58.900 journalism than most capital j journalists i mean in fact i've seen um one name that comes to mind
00:30:06.940 is, oh, that fellow from CTV. I just forgot his name. He's really an attack dog for CTV
00:30:14.300 when Stephen Harper was in prime minister. But now he's attacking you and trying to
00:30:21.260 snuff out the story. I see more regime journalists focused on stopping the story
00:30:27.560 than trying to illuminate the story. It's quite something. Let me ask you, has your story
00:30:34.860 broken into the mainstream media yet i mean it's very lively online i i saw the toronto sun had an
00:30:42.340 article but it was taken down i don't know if it's back up do you know if any mainstream media
00:30:46.640 are following your lead here well i talked to joe yesterday so i did talk to to them about this
00:30:57.420 um and i just said i'm not entirely sure what's going on that's why i'm asking questions right
00:31:04.560 because I've got these videos.
00:31:07.800 We have an MP who says that he can't travel.
00:31:11.240 Things seem to appear otherwise.
00:31:14.320 So I think that there is.
00:31:15.920 I think that it's just very difficult, again,
00:31:18.900 to determine exactly what went on.
00:31:23.200 And there's new things that are still coming out.
00:31:25.920 We had the letter.
00:31:26.980 The letter was a big thing that we put out.
00:31:29.540 And they did do the proper thing,
00:31:31.240 and they did send the letter to the ethics commissioner
00:31:33.420 to let them know that they were going on a trip to China.
00:31:37.140 I don't know if that leather is exactly adequate.
00:31:39.760 I think that if they had to put out, oh, by the way,
00:31:43.600 it's the propaganda party is going to be hustling us around,
00:31:48.480 taking videos for them to use to promote ports
00:31:52.580 that we don't know anything about.
00:31:54.340 Keep in mind, we don't know anything about this,
00:31:56.700 and this wasn't Joe Lee's first trip advertising at four.
00:31:59.760 right you know he's not there to advertise for it that's not why we elected him i have in my hand
00:32:08.420 an example glenn mcgregor was the reporter i was thinking of earlier who was a real attack dog when
00:32:13.480 harper was pm but now he's literally reposting liberal party talking points and here he is a
00:32:20.500 few hours ago he says here's a statement from soon-to-be former liberal mp sean chen's office
00:32:25.240 on unfounded allegations made by some influencers and i mean he he he if it's not mark carney 0.81
00:32:34.900 propaganda he's serving up chinese communist party propaganda the thing is he's such an attack dog
00:32:40.880 when it's a conservative pm where is he here it's sort of weird to me that guys like glenn mcgregor
00:32:47.980 are not pursuing the story they're trying to cover it up and to me the biggest thing is how did this
00:32:53.840 all happen sean chen said i'm i'm resigning because i have had a terrible accident and can't
00:32:59.540 travel and we all see with our own eyes that he traveled and is smiling so that obviously can't
00:33:05.900 be the real reason and my theory i don't know what you think of my theory andy is that maybe
00:33:10.800 he was getting so chummy with the chinese communist party there was literally no dividing line between
00:33:15.880 him and the ccp and maybe one of our five eyes security partners like the united states said 0.98
00:33:22.460 listen Canada you've got a rogue guy there who is full in with communist China you better deal 0.99
00:33:28.960 with that because it's becoming a problem for all of us and then the liberal party just found an 0.65
00:33:33.220 excuse oh remember that accident you had that's my theory because I don't know even Glenn McGregor
00:33:39.360 cannot come up with an explanation for why he resigned and claimed he was you know morbidly
00:33:48.360 uh injured when he's just doing fine i don't know if you have any thoughts on that
00:33:52.240 i have a lot of thoughts i mean it's a theory it's a speculative theory on my part
00:34:00.600 but i don't i don't know the real answer why did you really resign let's address that there's two
00:34:06.200 sorts of journalists in canada there were journalists that looked at that resignation
00:34:10.060 letter and thought about it they wouldn't ask any questions that i i truly believe it was our
00:34:16.520 american friends who said you guys have gone too far you've got to you've got to get rid of sean
00:34:21.480 chenny's he's not even working for canada at this point that's that's my own belief i believe maybe
00:34:27.280 that it's possible that sean chen spoke in more public china than in our parliament so
00:34:34.100 um and you know what exactly i just i my big thing here is you know if these guys were elected
00:34:45.180 mandate to serve Canadian.
00:34:52.340 Sean Chen,
00:34:53.880 again, I'm going to give him
00:34:57.600 the benefit of the doubt
00:34:59.060 because I understand China
00:35:01.320 a little bit.
00:35:04.220 It's possible that
00:35:05.380 Sean Chen just had a look at
00:35:07.280 what was going on and said,
00:35:09.500 you know what, guys? I'm out.
00:35:11.960 I'm not doing this.
00:35:13.240 I'm not going to hustle around
00:35:14.780 like a, you know, a pawn for these guys.
00:35:20.240 Maybe he had had enough.
00:35:21.820 There was a lot of requests being made on the videos
00:35:26.920 where they were asking for meetings.
00:35:30.440 We want FaceTime, right?
00:35:31.940 This is the federal politician we have in China.
00:35:34.100 Can you get us this?
00:35:35.820 It could be that they were asking reciprocity
00:35:39.240 and asking for access
00:35:43.300 and maybe he just thought, you know what?
00:35:46.920 I'm not comfortable with doing this anymore.
00:35:49.220 Maybe he didn't.
00:35:50.360 Maybe he walked into the hands of all of it.
00:35:53.000 That's the most charitable explanation I've heard.
00:35:56.140 Well, again, I don't know exactly.
00:35:59.800 I know that I've certainly received some strange messages from China.
00:36:06.980 If you don't do what they like you to do, 0.98
00:36:10.300 first of all, they're not serving these Canadians.
00:36:13.300 this group this this council group they're not they're saying hey how can we help out these
00:36:18.780 canadian politicians they're saying how can we get these canadian politicians to work for us
00:36:24.680 yeah right so if they're not doing that bidding and serving the party the way that they're expected
00:36:33.180 then i don't know right maybe they told sean chen it was time for him to go and that they
00:36:42.740 He needed somebody who was a bit more receptive and effective.
00:36:45.600 Well, I tell you, if there was someone who was more loving,
00:36:49.140 I mean, it would be downright erotic.
00:36:50.900 It would be an R-rated video if he was more in love with the Chinese Communist Party.
00:36:55.760 I mean, the videos and the photos on WeChat,
00:36:58.060 he certainly doesn't look like he's being asked to do anything against his will.
00:37:02.600 Time will tell, I think. 0.91
00:37:04.380 But we certainly won't learn anything from the Glenn McGregors of this world. 1.00
00:37:08.640 Andy, I hope you stay on this file. 0.99
00:37:10.200 I hope maybe someone in the government who's so frustrated with this leaks some information to you.
00:37:18.680 There's got to be some people at CSIS who are just beside themselves that this is being allowed to happen.
00:37:23.800 And I know that if I want to learn more about this, I've got to follow you as opposed to CTV or the Globe and Mail who have made a corporate decision to look the other way.
00:37:34.260 That's all I know.
00:37:35.400 Andy, keep in touch, my friend.
00:37:36.520 Thanks for everything.
00:37:38.500 Thank you.
00:37:40.200 There she is, Andy Lee, independent journalist and a must-visit site for what's going on.
00:37:45.820 Stay with us.
00:37:46.720 Your letters to me next.
00:37:56.580 Hey, welcome back.
00:37:57.600 We got a ton of emails about the various data center reports I've done.
00:38:02.160 First, talking to the critics and the protesters and then talking to the minister.
00:38:07.960 Elfguy says data centers cause so much damage to the environment and also produce infrared sound,
00:38:13.640 infrasound, which is terrible for humans getting blasted nonstop for decades.
00:38:19.080 I just don't think that's correct.
00:38:21.760 What environmental damage?
00:38:23.440 I mean, it's basically a huge warehouse with computers in it.
00:38:27.900 And if you saw my report with Nate Lubish, it's literally next to huge refineries.
00:38:33.660 It's in the middle of nowhere on land that's clearly not prime farmland and there's no residential around it.
00:38:41.780 I don't know what you mean by infrasounds, but it's miles away from the nearest housing community.
00:38:48.680 I just think you're wrong about that.
00:38:50.640 When I went to the protest, people were saying, oh, there's cancer and the bees are dying and there's emissions.
00:38:57.240 And I thought, none of this is true.
00:39:00.000 They're just throwing everything at it.
00:39:01.540 And I think I know why.
00:39:03.660 It's because they don't like AI.
00:39:05.520 They're afraid of AI.
00:39:07.700 And they think, well, maybe I can stop the data centers.
00:39:11.560 It would stop the AI.
00:39:13.740 Okay, then say that.
00:39:15.520 Say that's why you're against it.
00:39:16.920 But don't say it's environmentally devastating.
00:39:20.000 It's just not.
00:39:22.680 Kevin Smith says, when Trudeau says net zero, he's really just talking about his IQ.
00:39:27.580 You know what?
00:39:28.760 But I keep on saying that Trudeau has truly found the right partner in Katy Perry.
00:39:35.580 I really think so.
00:39:37.000 We've got one more letter here.
00:39:39.160 It's from Streaming Now, who says,
00:39:41.600 Data centers should be built in the north where it's naturally cold.
00:39:46.280 I think that's a big selling point, actually.
00:39:49.060 And that's one of the things Nate Gloobish mentioned to me.
00:39:52.080 I mean, if you're building a data center in Texas, I mean, that's positively tropical.
00:39:57.160 It's not quite tropical, but it's hot down there.
00:40:00.660 Some of those southern states where they're being built, whereas Canada, at least for half the year, it's quite cold.
00:40:08.800 And there's a huge source of energy in the form of natural gas.
00:40:12.680 And there's so much land.
00:40:13.980 There's nobody up there.
00:40:15.020 I don't know if you saw my video.
00:40:16.680 There's no one there other than other heavy industry.
00:40:20.440 I see protests against data centers across Canada.
00:40:23.800 And every time I do, I say, you know what?
00:40:26.120 If they drive away that data center, that data center should go to northern Alberta.
00:40:31.120 I mean, why not have it as the place to go?
00:40:33.780 And by the way, liberal politicians for a decade have blocked Alberta from exporting natural gas.
00:40:41.560 Fine. Use it domestically for build natural gas fire power plants to get these data centers going.
00:40:47.960 I actually love the idea more all the time because it's a way of saying, well, we don't actually need your pipelines.
00:40:53.000 We don't actually need your ports.
00:40:54.680 We don't actually need the major projects office in Ottawa to tell us what we can or can't do. We'll just build these and there's nothing in the federal jurisdiction that can stop it. And Alberta's used to work instead of protests.
00:41:08.980 I think this I think this will actually end up being, as Nate Kluber said, a hundred billion dollar industry in Alberta and, you know, other places like Ontario and Quebec and B.C., they'll just use the data, but they won't have the economic benefits.
00:41:26.880 I'd like your views on that, though, and I'm certainly getting an earful from people who disagree with me, but I hope I'm making my position clear.
00:41:34.040 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.
00:41:38.980 And keep fighting for freedom.