Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Signal tells Ottawa it will leave Canada rather than comply with Liberal lawful access bill

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Have you ever heard of the app called Signal? It's sort of like WhatsApp.

00:00:04.360 It's a communications app, encrypted end-to-end, as they say. So it's very private. No copies of

00:00:10.800 your messages are stored on the cloud, for example. But the Canadian government wants the right to

00:00:16.080 crack into that and have Signal hand over data about you. Signal is saying if they do that,

00:00:23.420 they're going to leave the country. I'll give you the whole breakdown. It's actually a crazy story.

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00:00:57.500 Tonight, Signal, the encrypted messaging app used by journalists and dissidents, says it still is going to walk out of Canada even after the Carney government rewrote its surveillance bill to try and keep it.

00:01:12.440 It's October 7th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:14.940 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:27.500 Let me tell you what Signal is, in case you don't know.

00:01:33.160 It's a free app.

00:01:34.960 You send a text, and it's scrambled on your phone and unscrambled on your friend's phone,

00:01:39.460 and nobody in between can read it, not even Signal, not the phone company, not the police.

00:01:44.660 That's called end-to-end encryption, and it's the whole point of the product.

00:01:49.680 Your message is not stored on any servers or in any cloud.

00:01:54.240 It's secret.

00:01:55.980 Now, Mark Carney's bill, it's called C-22, the Lawful Access Act.

00:02:01.300 We've talked about it before.

00:02:02.740 Lawful access is a funny way.

00:02:04.320 It's a polite phrase for the police getting into your digital life, reading your stuff.

00:02:11.380 The bill lets police and CSIS, or a spy agency, ask a company whether or not you're a customer.

00:02:18.080 No search warrant needed.

00:02:19.540 and then it lets cabinet name certain companies as core providers who have to build the technical

00:02:27.080 tools to hand over your data and keep records of your activity the metadata who you call when

00:02:33.740 stuff like that it has to be kept on file for the police now the liberals say this isn't a backdoor

00:02:40.780 don't worry about the loss of privacy they say it's just like letting police do in the digital

00:02:45.660 world what they already do with a warrant in the physical world. But isn't that an important

00:02:50.980 difference, isn't it? When the tech world objected to this backdoor bill in May, the public safety

00:02:57.300 minister, Gary Anandasangri, he actually made tiny changes. He said he would clarify the encryption

00:03:04.460 language. The committee cut the data retention from a year down to six months. Thank you very

00:03:09.940 little. So they would still have to keep your secrets on file just for six months, not a year.

00:03:15.380 How's that an important change?

00:03:18.620 There aren't real changes.

00:03:20.580 And then they pushed it through the House of Commons in June,

00:03:23.200 the liberals limiting debate and blocking new amendments,

00:03:25.600 and they sent it to the Senate.

00:03:28.000 Conservative MP Frank Caputo said it on the record,

00:03:31.380 to have amendments rammed down our throats without debate,

00:03:34.120 without discussion, is patently wrong.

00:03:36.040 Isn't it fitting to have a censorship debate cut short?

00:03:40.200 That's just too poetic.

00:03:42.240 And here's what Signal themselves said about the new, improved, softer, gentler version of this bill.

00:03:49.240 On Monday night in Ottawa, Signal's Vice President, I'm not sure if I'm saying this right, Abhav Tiwari, spoke to a room of senators and MPs on the record, recorded for the Senate committees, and he said, for us, this is a serious enough issue that it would fundamentally break Signal.

00:04:05.720 he said we do not make changes to our products to comply with such demands that

00:04:11.300 place the privacy of not just canadians but everyone else in the world at risk

00:04:16.340 that's that's not shock and awe he's not exaggerating uh and i'll tell you why in a

00:04:21.760 second but isn't that crazy just stop for a second before i explain why he's telling the truth 0.52

00:04:25.840 a company is telling a g7 country we would rather lose access to a g7 country

00:04:32.120 than break our promise of privacy to our customers.

00:04:35.560 That's sort of awesome.

00:04:37.540 But remember why, because of course,

00:04:40.460 this rule would apply to everyone,

00:04:43.060 anyone in the world writing to or from Canadians.

00:04:46.460 By the way, you can also send voice messages on Signal

00:04:49.120 and you can have phone calls.

00:04:50.740 It's a pretty great app.

00:04:51.700 It's like WhatsApp.

00:04:53.080 The thing is, if Canadians have their privacy breached

00:04:56.540 on Signal, obviously everyone else on the world

00:05:00.080 who uses Signal talking to a Canadian, they would have their data kept too. So Signal is not

00:05:07.660 exaggerating. They cannot operate in a single country that allows this to happen. It's just

00:05:14.300 shocking that it's Canada. He said the same thing back in May, by the way. He said, quote,

00:05:18.560 Signal would rather pull out of the country than be compelled to compromise

00:05:21.620 on the privacy promises we have made to our users. In June, like this guy was warning us, he said,

00:05:27.560 if we are ever forced to choose between betraying the people who rely on us and leaving a market,

00:05:32.100 we will leave. We are now like a backwater, like a banana republic of the G7. But I think you

00:05:39.560 already knew that because the liberals invoked martial law. Remember that? They seized the bank

00:05:44.240 accounts from their enemies without a trial. So imagine what they would do with this. After

00:05:49.520 Christia Freeland seized bank accounts with no judicial process, would you trust them with all

00:05:56.540 your digital stuff. It's not just Signal, by the way. NordVPN, you know what a VPN is? It sort of

00:06:01.860 allows you to go online, but shield your identity or even where you're from. It's the way to get

00:06:07.080 around the great firewall of China. It's what you use when I went down to Brazil, because they were 0.99

00:06:12.260 banning Twitter. I needed a VPN to get onto Twitter because it was banned in Brazil. So one of the

00:06:19.980 biggest privacy companies in the world, NordVPN, says it will consider, quote, removing our presence

00:06:25.280 from Canadian jurisdiction.

00:06:26.780 I don't know if you've heard of DuckDuckGo.

00:06:28.840 These are all sort of funny names,

00:06:30.200 but they're all privacy-oriented companies.

00:06:32.840 DuckDuckGo lets you search in a more private way

00:06:35.620 than, say, Google does.

00:06:36.920 They say they'll pull its VPN out of Canada,

00:06:39.760 Siphon, Toronto companies reportedly looking at moving out,

00:06:44.500 Tailscale.

00:06:45.120 I don't even know these companies,

00:06:46.640 but I know that Mark Carney and Evan Solomon

00:06:50.300 talk a lot about the tech sector and Canadian tech.

00:06:53.700 They're kicking it all out.

00:06:55.280 Because privacy is an important part of tech.

00:06:57.820 And if you're saying to tech companies

00:06:59.480 you have to allow police to root around and poke around,

00:07:04.320 this will do more to kill the Canadian tech industry

00:07:07.860 than any grant announcement that Evan Solomon makes.

00:07:12.160 Wind Scribe, a Canadian company said this,

00:07:15.160 we pay an ungodly amount of taxes

00:07:17.000 to this corrupt government,

00:07:18.200 and in return they want to destroy

00:07:20.340 the entire essence of our service

00:07:21.840 to basically spy on its own citizens.

00:07:24.280 Not happening. We'll move HQ and take our taxes elsewhere.

00:07:27.840 I like that guy. Give that guy a show.

00:07:30.880 He's doing important things and they're going to kick him.

00:07:33.180 You know what? Mark my words.

00:07:34.960 These companies will relocate to Austin, Texas or Miami, Florida in the next year.

00:07:40.220 Why would they stick around?

00:07:42.920 Even Apple, one of the largest tech companies in the world,

00:07:45.480 their senior privacy director testified to the Commons Committee in May,

00:07:49.580 quote, when you build a backdoor into an encrypted device,

00:07:52.820 anyone can walk through that is apple saying that not little rebel news they're saying the

00:08:01.020 same thing i'm saying but here's the thing signal can leave canada apple it would be shocking

00:08:07.100 but they can leave canada there you know apple's still going to be a very valuable company

00:08:11.820 if they have to leave canada um you can't leave canada can you that's what this story is really

00:08:19.340 about. It's not actually about an app. It's about what it looks like when a country starts going

00:08:22.960 down this road. And the first people to notice are the ones who are able to get out.

00:08:28.660 They don't have a deep, a company has no deep loyalty to a home, to a place. That's a personal

00:08:34.240 thing. I don't know if you know the story about a guy named Pavel Durov. He's a Russian version of

00:08:41.380 Mark Zuckerberg. He built their version of Facebook, in fact, called VKontakt. In December

00:08:49.620 of 2013, the KGB, or their new name, the FSB, the secret police, they demanded that Pavel Durov

00:08:58.000 hand over the data of Ukrainian protesters who were using VKontakt. He refused. By April of 2014,

00:09:06.500 he was forced out of his own company. The very Russian story is, and he left Russia. He said,

00:09:11.120 quote, to give the personal information about our Ukrainian users to Russian authorities would

00:09:15.200 not merely be against the law. It would be a betrayal of those millions of Ukrainians who

00:09:18.960 trusted us. And then he said the country is incompatible with the internet business at the

00:09:23.880 moment. That's a heavy thing to say. I think he lives in Dubai now. So he went off and built the

00:09:29.220 app. Have you ever heard the app called Telegram? And in 2018, Russia tried to ban that too because

00:09:35.020 he wouldn't hand over the encryption keys.

00:09:37.940 That's sort of the Canadian story now.

00:09:40.760 This is what happens in every authoritarian regime

00:09:43.660 when they turn sour.

00:09:45.460 There's a tipping point, 0.66

00:09:46.740 and the money notices before the little people do.

00:09:50.100 I mean, the smart money gets out quick, doesn't it?

00:09:52.460 I wonder if this is part of Mark Carney's pivot 0.84

00:09:54.800 towards China and their new world order. 0.52

00:09:57.080 What's the standard knock on China? 0.97

00:09:58.940 There's no rule of law.

00:09:59.940 The courts do what the party says.

00:10:02.100 A lawyer who spent 20 years doing a business deal there

00:10:04.680 told the U.S. Congressional Commission that foreign legal judgments are enforced in China

00:10:09.360 only if it is in the interest of the Communist Party. And he quoted China's own chief justice

00:10:14.540 telling the courts to, quote, disregard erroneous Western notions, including constitutional

00:10:19.900 democracy. So that's the kind of place where this backdoor key business is really normal.

00:10:27.000 That's why in 2010, even Google said it was no longer willing to continue to censor our results

00:10:32.760 on Google.cn and pulled out of the search business. They used to have Google.cn. That's

00:10:38.360 the Chinese internet suffix. In 2021, LinkedIn shut down in China. You can imagine how badly

00:10:45.260 these companies wanted to be in China. Largest population in the world. Like, wow. But they're

00:10:51.560 pulling out because of the rules. The rules that basically say, spy on our people. Spy on our own

00:10:58.020 citizens forum the companies that could leave leave i'm they weren't happy about it but they

00:11:03.880 left and everyone nodded along and said well of course that's what you'd expect from an

00:11:09.120 authoritarian regime like china but isn't that what mark carney is doing now i mean we laugh

00:11:15.800 at the uk in 2023 british police it's hard to believe made 12 000 arrests for people who said

00:11:23.620 things online under their communication laws. That's 33 arrests a day. Arrests. 33 people

00:11:29.860 arrested a day. The Times of London found that number. It hauled into a police station.

00:11:35.840 Why do you think our censors in Canada would be any better than those crazy censors in

00:11:40.980 the UK? Because I'll show you what ours already looks like before C-22 even passes. That's

00:11:47.700 the bill that signal is worried about. Remember this the other day, Tanya Gaw, she runs Action

00:11:53.440 for Canada, Conservative Christian Activist Group in BC. On a Sunday evening in June,

00:11:59.160 two RCMP officers showed up on her front door. She recorded it. Smart. Take a look.

00:12:04.500 So could you identify yourselves again, please?

00:12:06.540 So my name is Constable Mason. I'm with the Surrey RCMP. I work in the General Investigation

00:12:10.680 Unit. This is Constable Banga.

00:12:12.280 Hi.

00:12:12.580 Okay. So the reason right here is because we received a complaint about your website.

00:12:15.540 I'm not telling you to censor it or anything, but before I say anything more, I'm just going to tell you,

00:12:20.120 I'm a police officer, you don't want to say anything to me, but anything you say may be used as evidence, okay?

00:12:24.280 So I wanted to invite you down to have a conversation at our detachment.

00:12:28.760 Not today. You can speak with the legal counsel beforehand, but just have a conversation about it.

00:12:32.480 And what's the complaint about, specifically?

00:12:34.620 The complaint is about some of the material you're posting,

00:12:37.400 being contrary to Section 319 Sub 2 of the Criminal Code, willful promotion of hate.

00:12:42.480 there's nothing hateful on my website 100 okay so that's the reason we wanted to

00:12:48.560 talk to you and we're not I know we're not gonna do this right here but we can

00:12:51.440 if you want you can consult with legal counsel do you want to have a I prefer

00:12:54.440 to have a letter somebody send me a letter specifically detailing what's the

00:12:59.920 matter of concern to somebody because this has become a very easy avenue for

00:13:07.720 people that when we disagree that they're going towards this hate because it's coming becoming

00:13:14.400 quite popular the cop there uh who should probably get a haircut and put on a uniform or something i

00:13:21.080 don't know he told her that they were investigating her under section 319 in the criminal code willful

00:13:26.180 promotion of hatred over things she posted to her website and on x and that that cop said targeted

00:13:33.340 Muslims and Islam. Which posts? He didn't say. She asked for a letter listing the posts. There

00:13:39.520 was no letter. There was no document at all. No charge at all. Just two cops coming to her door

00:13:45.540 at dinnertime to terrify her, to let her know they were watching her. Three months later,

00:13:51.080 she says it's been three months and they haven't reached out further. I hope they were scared off

00:13:56.140 by the public pressure that came. She had the smarts to record that. There was never going to

00:14:02.120 be a charge the visit was the point though that's not an investigation that's an intimidation and

00:14:06.660 now that same police force that same spy agency they want the power to go to signal and say

00:14:12.000 you know give us tanya gauze messages for six months you know what the precursor to all this

00:14:20.820 was the facebook news ban three years ago the trudeau government passed the online news act

00:14:25.540 it was a shakedown plain and simple if you link to canadian news you pay the government's own

00:14:30.300 draft regulations put the price at about a quarter billion dollars a year from google and facebook

00:14:34.880 google cut a deal 100 million a year facebook said no on august 1st 2023 and announced it was

00:14:42.380 ending news in canada for good within days every canadian news story was gone from facebook and

00:14:47.840 instagram is still gone today do you ever see that on facebook or instagram it says we can't show you

00:14:52.140 the story in this jurisdiction think about that g7 government taxed the news illegally when the

00:14:58.620 company wouldn't pay. The news just disappeared for 40 million people. Who does that to their

00:15:03.220 own people? Who bans the news to their own people? The government didn't just shrug. It was them who

00:15:08.480 did it. But to them, Facebook leaving wasn't a warning. It was a win. We got them. We got them.

00:15:15.300 Which brings me to the part of this that should actually worry Ottawa. I don't know if it's a

00:15:21.700 for for me i think the americans have noticed last december donald trump's trade representative

00:15:29.180 jameson greer said that canada's online streaming act and online news act quote

00:15:34.300 discriminate against u.s tech and media firms that's their trade czar putting our censorship

00:15:41.100 laws on the trade agenda is that interesting in may um the congressman jim jordan he chairs the

00:15:48.420 House Judiciary Committee, and Brian Mast, who chairs the Foreign Affairs Committee,

00:15:53.560 warned that C-22, quote, harms U.S. national security and economic interests. Could you imagine

00:15:59.720 Canada being able to spy on U.S. users? And in July, a Democrat, Senator Ron Wyden, the top

00:16:08.460 Democrat on the Senate committee that handles trade, said the bill would, quote, weaponize

00:16:12.300 American technology infrastructure through secret Canadian orders to Apple and Google. And he told

00:16:18.380 you know he basically called it a threat a counterintelligence threat republicans and

00:16:23.680 democrats agreeing about us and we know what happens when washington decides a canadian

00:16:28.920 digital law is a trade problem because it already happened remember the digital services tax

00:16:33.300 last june trump good june 2025 trump called it a direct and blatant attack on our country

00:16:40.100 and canceled trade talks over it carney folded on that one good so here's my question right now

00:16:47.880 Washington sees Canadian censorship as a civil liberties problem.

00:16:51.680 They don't love it, but it's not the top of their list.

00:16:54.600 That's our problem more than theirs.

00:16:58.040 But if you have Signal leaving and a bunch of other tech companies leaving

00:17:02.360 because Mark Carney wants to spy,

00:17:05.760 at what point does it stop being about our civil liberties

00:17:08.380 and stop being about American companies being pressured?

00:17:11.840 At what point do Signal and Apple and Meta and X

00:17:14.820 stop testifying to canadian committees and start filing trade complaints and donald trump would be

00:17:22.120 happy with that what's the punishment that we're going to get because mark carney wants to spy on

00:17:28.400 american tech platforms because that's how this thing's going to end by the way i don't think it's

00:17:33.100 going to end with a canadian court i think it's going to end with us getting slapped by the u.s

00:17:37.920 because we think we can spy on their apps countries that lose the rule of law lose their

00:17:42.420 companies first though. Russia lost

00:17:44.360 Pavel Durov. China lost

00:17:46.440 Google. Venezuela lost Exxon.

00:17:49.180 Canada is about to lose

00:17:50.380 signal over a bill

00:17:52.260 the government swears is harmless.

00:17:55.240 See the companies can leave

00:17:56.440 Durov can leave but you're staying

00:17:58.480 and so am I. Ask yourself what

00:18:00.380 kind of country is it where the only people left 0.97

00:18:02.300 are the ones who can't get out.

00:18:12.420 Hey, welcome back. Well, one of the world's most consequential men is, of course, Elon Musk. He's an industrialist. He's an engineer. He's a spaceman. He's a car builder. But he's also political. Of course, he was key to the Trump victory in the last election, spending more than $100 million of his own money.

00:18:32.000 And he, despite having a bit of a break with Trump, has a rapprochement.

00:18:36.340 There was a recent meeting of artificial intelligence tycoons at the White House.

00:18:41.120 It was really everyone who was anyone was there, from Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook to Dario Amadei from Anthropic and all the way down.

00:18:49.840 And Elon Musk sat right next to Donald Trump at the table.

00:18:53.580 So he's back in favored status again.

00:18:55.640 And I say that because when a man of such consequence and political ties makes a comment on Twitter, even if it's a bit of trolling or spicy, I think we should take a second to look at it.

00:19:06.760 And today, Elon Musk made about three tweets about separatists and independents in Canada.

00:19:13.560 Let me start. Polymarket is the name of an odds making, sort of a betting company.

00:19:19.560 And they said, just in, Quebec's new premier declares his dream of Quebecois independence will be realized one day.

00:19:25.960 And Elon Musk wrote two replies to that.

00:19:28.280 He said, good, Quebec should separate.

00:19:31.300 And then he said they would be better off.

00:19:33.480 Alberta and Saskatchewan should separate, too.

00:19:36.660 I myself made a tweet where I noted that the separatist party Quebecois won.

00:19:42.640 And he wrote, Elon Musk himself wrote back one word saying, true.

00:19:46.720 Joining us now to talk about it.

00:19:47.960 Does it mean anything?

00:19:49.560 that the owner of Starlink and X and all these companies is rooting, well, for three different provinces to leave the country.

00:19:57.480 Joining us now is our friend Stockwell Day, who was in the corridors of power,

00:20:01.560 both in the government of Alberta and later in Stephen Harper's Federal Conservative Government.

00:20:06.240 Stock, great to see you again. I understand you're back in Ottawa.

00:20:09.420 Elon Musk is a colorful character.

00:20:12.320 What do you make of his comments about separation of Alberta provinces?

00:20:17.220 Well, he's colorful, for sure.

00:20:19.080 And let's face it, when it comes to tech and space and everything we do with that,

00:20:23.540 he's one of the smartest guys literally in the world, and he proves that time again.

00:20:28.840 On politics, he may not be aware, because he's an independent thinker,

00:20:33.740 he probably thinks that a lot of jurisdictions in the world are separate from the bigger entity they're involved in.

00:20:38.740 He may not be aware that as an American, when he's making those statements,

00:20:42.880 That actually drives Canadians or even might even drive some of them in the other direction. So it might really hoping for independence to be a reality in Canada. Ironically, as we saw with Donald Trump, any remarks in that direction usually get people quieted up and it might even strengthen a stable, some who were like in the valley of the city.

00:21:09.380 You know, I think you could well be right on that. I think Donald Trump, when he weighed into our federal election, I think that panicked a million middle of the road voters who moved away from Pierre Pauly up towards Mark Carney.

00:21:23.980 And I think some of the reports of separatists or independence activists in Alberta talking with the Trump administration and not really saying who they met with or what was discussed, but leaving it to the imagination, I think that redounded against independence.

00:21:41.040 So, I mean, I don't think Elon Musk cares about that. I think he likes to express himself. I think he always has. He's one of the most active users on his own app. But I think I agree with you.

00:21:53.980 I think this will be energy for the hardcore independence folks, but I think it might turn off more people in the middle of the road.

00:22:03.460 Yeah, that will be the results.

00:22:06.620 I've been traveling around Alberta on the independence question.

00:22:09.760 We asked to speak and do debates and things like that.

00:22:13.340 You know, it's going to be interesting to see how the vote goes there coming up this month.

00:22:18.400 There's that referendum.

00:22:19.400 Kim Smith has quite smartly put phone questions out there, and she's helping people respond

00:22:26.560 in such a way that it'll give her extra strength as far as it is to push Ottawa for more autonomy

00:22:33.980 for Alberta to see how it goes with this.

00:22:39.280 This could provide that little bit of spark that I found in the debates going around the

00:22:44.360 province, Edward, that people who are really motivated, really fired up to vote, like the

00:22:50.440 exit crowd, a crowd probably think, you know, nobody really wants to, and that's it. So it

00:22:58.680 could be a little bit of a wake-up call, and we'll see what happens.

00:23:01.180 Stock, of course, the independence question, or the question about should there be another

00:23:07.040 referendum, it's a two-step process now, because there was a Trudeau judge who discovered that

00:23:13.280 before asking a referendum,

00:23:15.040 the government had to consult with Indian bands.

00:23:19.120 But there are other questions.

00:23:20.420 In fact, there's 10 questions being put to Albertans.

00:23:23.320 Independence is one of them,

00:23:24.960 but a lot of them actually have to deal with immigration.

00:23:28.400 And should foreign nationals be able to get social assistance

00:23:32.160 or free health care or things like that?

00:23:34.400 What do you think of those?

00:23:35.300 Those haven't even had 1% of the talk time

00:23:39.600 in the public sphere,

00:23:40.980 but I think they're just as important in a way,

00:23:43.160 What do you think?

00:23:44.680 Yeah, Canadians more and more, especially in Alberta and in the West,

00:23:48.120 concerned about massive immigration, immigration without a control,

00:23:51.980 certainly illegal immigration, concerned about the problem

00:23:55.160 when you have a flood that comes in beyond the expectations

00:24:00.180 that put collectors in the welfare system, the roads, the schools.

00:24:05.120 And then the other thing that's irritating people,

00:24:06.640 well, two other things I'm hearing a lot about.

00:24:08.580 First, when somebody in the country, they're not a citizen

00:24:12.200 and are a permanent resident and they commit a crime.

00:24:14.500 There's this increased reluctance among the judiciary

00:24:17.760 to send them back to the country that they came from

00:24:20.680 because it might be a country that's not that nice.

00:24:24.040 And they say, well, we don't want to send a violent criminal back

00:24:27.720 to a not-nice country, and Canadians are getting a little bit upset with that.

00:24:33.000 And the student visa, I'm all for a student visa program

00:24:37.180 where students can come in, get trained here, and learn here,

00:24:40.420 and then go back to their country and be a benefit of the country from the things they learned here.

00:24:45.380 But when they stay and also burden the system, that's getting people upset. 0.97

00:24:51.000 And also, most people realize that traditionally when immigrants would come to Canada, 0.94

00:24:55.120 we're going way back into the early 1900s, they never came expecting that they'd be getting welfare. 0.85

00:25:00.720 So the increasing number of immigrants coming in and they expect to get welfare and social benefits right away. 0.98

00:25:07.320 Premier Smith, quite rightly, is asking Albertans if they like that idea. 1.00

00:25:11.860 I'd just like to put back on that one too.

00:25:13.980 Yeah, I think that's very powerful.

00:25:16.400 And of course, the provinces don't control immigration,

00:25:19.100 but they can control whether or not immigrants find it attractive to move to Alberta

00:25:25.360 if they didn't have these social benefits available to them.

00:25:28.360 Stockwell, great to catch up with you, and we'll talk again soon.

00:25:31.580 Great talking with you all, Ben.

00:25:32.940 There is Stockwell Day, former cabinet minister

00:25:35.380 and political commentators.

00:25:37.700 Stay with us.

00:25:38.540 Your letters to me next.

00:25:48.460 Hey, welcome back.

00:25:49.540 Your thoughts on my video about Pierre Polyev

00:25:52.340 and how the polls show he's not actually the problem here.

00:25:55.840 Vince of New Scotland says last election was close, 44 to 41%.

00:26:01.220 Notice they always use polls, asking 1,500 people instead of realities.

00:26:04.740 So like Mark Carney bringing the EU Parliament, telling the EU that a recent poll said that most Canadians want to have deeper ties to the EU.

00:26:12.740 That's completely bogus and reckless for the PM to say that.

00:26:15.740 I don't know if Canadians would want to join the EU, but I don't think most Canadians know anything about the EU other than it's a way to get back at Donald Trump.

00:26:25.740 You have no idea what's coming. If we join the EU in any meaningful way, their Parliament will set laws for us.

00:26:33.740 And worse than that, we will no longer have a border. 1.00

00:26:37.580 So all the millions of fake migrants in that country can just come over here. 0.97

00:26:43.360 That is what they call the Schengen zone. 0.98

00:26:46.000 That's the rule that if you get yourself to the EU, you can go anywhere within it.

00:26:50.860 That's a big reason why the UK voted for Brexit.

00:26:54.900 They were sick of not just having their laws written in Europe, but having open borders.

00:27:00.300 It was sort of crazy.

00:27:01.200 your next letter is from curtis king who says absolutely correct i know pierre personally and

00:27:08.180 he is the only one who can lead the party the problem lies with the people who voted carney

00:27:12.400 into power that's the great evil we face today if carney calls the early election he claims he

00:27:18.320 will entertain on december 14th those canadians who don't bother voting need to out there and

00:27:25.480 vote to stop complaining i don't know if he's going to call a snap election but it wouldn't

00:27:32.500 surprise me i mean for all his calm exterior he is a brutal man and he's used to just saying things

00:27:42.240 and them happening he's he's not a fan of democracy he attends question period very rarely

00:27:49.160 He's not afraid to outright bribe MPs to cross the floor to give him a majority that he did not earn and the people didn't want to give him.

00:27:58.340 Of course he would call a snap election.

00:28:01.360 And I think he would probably wait until after October 19th, which is the Alberta independence referendum.

00:28:08.160 And once that's taken care of, then you'll see the real Mark Carney.

00:28:11.740 That's my theory.

00:28:13.040 That's our show for the day.

00:28:14.180 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

00:28:24.120 Today, as we mark the anniversary of the horrific attack by Hamas on Israeli civilians on October 7, 2023, I find myself thinking about one very simple question.

00:28:38.000 Do we know the difference between good and evil, between right and wrong?

00:28:43.800 My first thought, of course, is for the families of those who were murdered and for those who

00:28:49.020 survived physically, but will carry the emotional and psychological scars for the rest of their

00:28:55.380 lives. Our hearts and thoughts are with them. But October 7th also forces us to confront something

00:29:03.560 much bigger, something that should be as clear as daylight, but somehow gets blurred into shades

00:29:10.940 of gray, good versus evil. Let me give you an example. Recently, we heard about an attack on

00:29:19.060 a commercial aircraft that could have ended in another mass casualty tragedy. The pilot who

00:29:26.820 attacked his colleague in the cockpit on fly Dubai flight is an Omani citizen named Hamam al-Hamani,

00:29:34.200 while more than 170 people were on board. But there was a hero, Captain Smith Mashar,

00:29:42.440 the pilot who was stabbed but still managed to open the cockpit door as the aircraft descended

00:29:48.760 dangerously and allowed passengers to overpower the attacker. One person chose evil, another chose

00:29:57.660 courage, and the difference is clear. Yet, almost immediately before the dust had even settled,

00:30:06.040 conspiracy theories began circulating. The same thing happened on October 7th. Instead of focusing

00:30:13.340 on the perpetrators and their victims, the conversation quickly shifted, somehow, unbelievably,

00:30:20.760 towards blaming Israel and questioning whether the attack had even happened as we understood it.

00:30:29.100 This is how evil becomes obscured, when the lines between truth and fake are blurred.

00:30:36.560 Thanks to Rebel News, we can count on accuracy and facts. Conspiracy theories, misinformation,

00:30:44.440 and social media manipulation can turn perpetrators into victims and victims into

00:30:51.780 perpetrators. And that is very dangerous. Because when we refuse to call evil by its name,

00:31:00.020 we don't make the world more compassionate. We make it more vulnerable to evil.

00:31:07.160 Last year, I visited Israel and traveled from the Gaza border to the Golan Heights,

00:31:13.240 noting the remnants of the destruction imposed upon Israel by Hamas, which is heart-rending.

00:31:20.540 But the resilience of the Israelis is exemplary. October 7th was not a debate. It was not a matter

00:31:31.080 of competing narratives. It was an attack on civilians. And remembering October 7th means

00:31:39.440 remembering the human beings who were murdered, the hostages who were taken, the families who

00:31:46.000 were shattered, the women who were raped, and the survivors who will never be the same again.

00:31:53.120 But remembering is not enough. We have to learn. We have to teach our children the difference

00:32:00.280 between right and wrong, between courage and cruelty, between defending human life and

00:32:06.880 celebrating its destruction. Because if the world cannot distinguish between good and evil,

00:32:13.380 and if we are unwilling to hold perpetrators accountable, these attacks will continue again

00:32:20.280 and again. It's embarrassing for us as Canadians to hear of the drunk police officer asleep at the

00:32:27.660 wheel, and equally embarrassing that our leadership is also asleep at the wheel. On this anniversary,

00:32:35.360 let us remember the victims. Let's honor the survivors and let us have the courage to call

00:32:42.860 evil what it is. This is not hatred. This is humanity. This is Raheel Raza for Rebel News.

00:32:51.000 Don't forget to click or like www.rebelnews.com.

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