Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ The best of our coverage of the Jasper wildfires

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00:01:18.340 Tonight, an update on our reporting from the Jasper wildfires with Sheila Gunn-Reed and Sidney Fusard.

00:01:28.600 It's August 5th, and this is E.S. from LeVant Show.

00:01:31.440 You've got it, you've seen them.

00:01:34.420 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:37.460 Hello, my friends.

00:01:47.020 I remember how terrified I was back when the Fort McMurray wildfire seemed to come out of nowhere and consume most of the town.

00:01:54.880 I was absolutely terrified by the images of the arches, the arcs of fire that were on either side of the road, walls of fire, hundreds of feet high, absolutely terrifying.

00:02:07.120 And that was one of our first large charitable crowdfunders that we did with Rebel News.

00:02:13.880 That was way back in the early days.

00:02:15.600 We raised six figures for wildfire relief, and I felt very proud to have done so as an expat Albertan living in Ontario.

00:02:24.400 Well, another forest fire, as you know, has hit Alberta, and it's hit the town of Jasper particularly hard.

00:02:30.540 Now, we cover wildfires from time to time when there's a political angle.

00:02:34.720 As you know, Rebel News, we're not like CNN.

00:02:36.980 We don't cover just everything.

00:02:38.460 We cover things where there's a bit of a current events, political, ideological question.

00:02:42.800 It's one of the reasons we went to Maui, the town of Lahaina.

00:02:47.120 When wildfire scorched that place, there were a lot of political questions.

00:02:51.460 Why didn't the government ring the alarm bells?

00:02:53.940 What's happening with the rebuilding of the house?

00:02:58.080 And we went to Maui to cover it.

00:02:59.760 Well, it behooves us to do the same in our own country in the city of Jasper.

00:03:03.880 Well, Sheila Gunn-Reed went out there with Aki and Simone to see what's going on because there is a political angle there, too. 0.95

00:03:10.380 There is a loosey-goosey, one-world green party idea never to chop down a tree.

00:03:19.380 Well, that's how it was, I suppose, for hundreds of millions of years in the past.

00:03:23.600 So nature would chop down the trees with forest fires started by lightning.

00:03:28.120 Massive forest fires would burn millions of acres, and that's how nature was.

00:03:32.840 Trouble is, that's not exactly conducive to human life or, for that matter, animal life.

00:03:38.520 And so modern towns and cities have fire breaks, or they cull that fuel.

00:03:45.240 Alas, Stephen Gilboa refused to do that because he wants the au naturel.

00:03:49.640 I won't try and explain it.

00:03:51.040 I'll leave that to my friend Sheila Gunn-Reed.

00:03:52.840 Here, take a look.

00:03:54.200 Sheila Gunn-Reed for Rebel News, and I'm here just west of Hinton, Alberta.

00:03:58.100 What you see behind me is a police checkpoint preventing people from going into Jasper National Park because the national park has out-of-control wildfires burning within it.

00:04:09.780 The town site of Jasper, a UNESCO World Heritage site, has been lost to wildfire.

00:04:15.380 30% of the town has burned, mostly the residential area.

00:04:19.380 Now, I'm here to do this journalism on the cheap.

00:04:22.400 We took my Jeep, my travel trailer, and we're staying in a campsite up the road.

00:04:27.140 If you want to support our independent journalism for this trip, but to also keep Rebel News journalists out on the street,

00:04:33.820 please consider making a donation at rebelfieldreports.com.

00:04:37.640 But if you're like me and you feel compelled to help the people and the businesses of Jasper, Alberta,

00:04:43.620 please consider making a donation at helpjasper.ca.

00:04:48.200 That's our crowdfund where 100% of the proceeds will go to an on-the-ground charity working with the evacuees and businesses of Jasper.

00:04:58.220 That's helpjasper.ca.

00:05:00.780 Now, a little bit about our journalism here.

00:05:02.860 We're on the ground to try to get answers.

00:05:05.280 Why did this happen?

00:05:06.240 Why was it so bad?

00:05:08.020 And what could have been done differently?

00:05:10.200 That's what you're going to see from us for the next couple of days.

00:05:12.940 On the ground here in Hinton, Alberta, I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed.

00:05:19.960 My videographer and I, Key and Simone, are on the ground just west of Hinton, Alberta,

00:05:24.320 to report on the devastating wildfires that swept through Jasper National Park and claimed a portion of the town.

00:05:30.320 We're here to get answers.

00:05:31.220 But if you want to help, please consider making a donation to helpjasper.ca.

00:05:37.000 That's our crowdfund where 100% of the proceeds go to a charity working on the ground with Jasper evacuees.

00:05:43.200 That's helpjasper.ca.

00:05:45.220 I'm here for Rebel News.

00:05:47.260 My colleagues, Sheila Gunn-Reed and Key and Simone are doing incredible boots on the ground journalism in the area surrounding Jasper,

00:05:53.100 following the heartbreaking wildfire that did so much damage to that beautiful community.

00:05:58.540 And while they are doing that journalism, I'm actually here in Calgary,

00:06:01.260 and I had the opportunity to sit down with Premier Danielle Smith and ask her some questions about the management of forests

00:06:07.480 and the federal response and the circumstances that led up to the destruction of a great part of Jasper.

00:06:13.480 Folks, I just want to encourage you, if you want to help the people who are struggling as a consequence of those fires,

00:06:18.480 you can do so by chipping in at helpjasper.ca.

00:06:23.040 Very happy.

00:06:23.580 And I'll be joined by Premier Danielle Smith.

00:06:25.560 You know, despite Minister Gilbo's insistence that forest management was well done,

00:06:31.960 can you comment on the fact that the Federal Environment Ministry did not act on its own Jasper Park Management plan

00:06:36.760 to mitigate the fuel load issues in Jasper National Park?

00:06:40.700 Well, look, I've been reading the same articles that you've been reading and hearing what scientists have said,

00:06:45.760 scientists who worked for Parks Canada and have been raising this issue for many years.

00:06:50.740 So I think we've got to take that seriously and we've got to take a look at,

00:06:54.080 is there a way that we can remove some of that fuel load?

00:06:57.400 I've talked to my own forestry and parks minister, Todd Lowen,

00:07:00.820 and asked him if we could do a review so that we could see what the age of the forests are from top to bottom.

00:07:06.600 Because, quite frankly, our forests are the type that were forged by fire.

00:07:12.280 And so when they get to be 80 to 100 years old, they die.

00:07:15.600 And when that happens, there's only three things that are going to occur.

00:07:18.480 Either you have to do prescribed burns to get rid of that fuel,

00:07:21.400 you have to do mechanical removal, or nature will take its course.

00:07:25.160 And if we can do a better job of removing that fuel so that we can protect more communities, we should do that.

00:07:31.120 We'll do a review of the forests that are in our forest protection area and our provincial parks,

00:07:35.960 and then we'll bring some of that learning to the federal government and ask them to do the same for federal parks.

00:07:40.700 Now, on that provincial note,

00:07:41.980 what is being done as far as provincial efforts to mitigate the pine beetle fuel load as well in that provincial context?

00:07:48.180 Well, I can tell you that last year, because we had 2 million hectares burned,

00:07:52.920 Todd Lowen took a dramatically different approach for how we first fight fires.

00:07:57.560 But secondly, on the fire guard program.

00:08:00.880 So one of the things that he realized is that we needed to have a very large fire guard.

00:08:06.380 I think he's making them 200 meters wide now.

00:08:09.100 And when we do forest firefighting, when fire does hit and we need to protect a community,

00:08:13.320 we bring the dozers in right away so that we're able to clear out a fire break area.

00:08:17.900 Because we've seen what happens with fire.

00:08:20.080 When you get that huge fuel load coming, you need to have a break.

00:08:23.880 Sometimes you do backburns, so you create a wall of fire that burns back.

00:08:27.740 But you have to be careful with that because sometimes the wind can get in the way.

00:08:30.720 But when you have the kind of flames that we saw in Jasper,

00:08:34.380 300 to 400 feet high, 2 kilometers wide,

00:08:37.140 by that point, there's no firefighting team that can stop it.

00:08:40.620 The work that you have to do has to come beforehand.

00:08:43.020 Now, in an effort to tackle sort of some of the misinformation, disinformation that is out there,

00:08:47.380 and I'll ask the question.

00:08:48.400 I know you've answered it.

00:08:49.320 But people have been very eager to perpetuate this myth

00:08:52.760 that Premier Daniel Smith cut the wildfire budget, the firefighting budget.

00:08:57.800 You've indicated that that's not true already, if you can comment on that.

00:09:00.620 Hello, Premier Smith.

00:09:01.460 Thank you for taking my question.

00:09:03.000 So your government over the last few years has made various cuts

00:09:07.060 to Alberta's wildfire fighting budget.

00:09:11.320 Do you regret making those cuts now?

00:09:12.800 Why or why not?

00:09:13.320 But also, where do you think that came from,

00:09:15.040 and why were people so excited to repeat it?

00:09:17.740 Well, I can tell you what we observed last year,

00:09:20.280 is that we had a $100 million forest fire budget,

00:09:24.340 and Todd Lowen said, well, what's our typical fire year?

00:09:27.100 Let's bring our budget up to that need. 0.74

00:09:29.520 And so he got a 50% increase in budget this year, up to $155 million.

00:09:33.180 We launched our fire season early.

00:09:37.160 We started hiring our people in place early,

00:09:39.640 and we were ready to go by May 15th before the bulk of the fires came in.

00:09:43.800 We have contracts with Indigenous forest firefighters,

00:09:46.980 and we also have contracts with private sector operators.

00:09:50.260 So at this precise moment, our Alberta force is 1,800 people strong.

00:09:55.240 And that is, so I feel like that is the kind of force

00:09:59.920 that we need to be prepared to put forward each year.

00:10:01.940 And then, of course, we use the Canadian Forest Fire Interagency Centre

00:10:05.220 to be able to collaborate with other provinces

00:10:07.800 and to put our resources towards them when things change.

00:10:12.400 I think what happened was a number of years ago,

00:10:14.360 there was something called a helitack team.

00:10:16.960 And this was a team that goes in helicopters,

00:10:20.220 and then they repel into an area so that they can fight fires.

00:10:23.920 And what we discovered is they were barely being deployed,

00:10:26.620 only in 2% of the cases, for a number of reasons.

00:10:29.420 It's dangerous, number two, when you have,

00:10:33.040 there's only certain types of landscapes that they can be on.

00:10:35.480 And so what we realized is that we have to fight fires differently.

00:10:38.980 So what we do is we've got infrared drones,

00:10:42.080 we've got night vision helicopters,

00:10:44.460 we do nighttime firefighting so that we can precision drop teams

00:10:48.220 once we know where the fires are so that they can fight at night.

00:10:50.440 And it's been very successful.

00:10:53.060 Now, finally, obviously, places like Jasper are national parks.

00:10:56.980 They fall within that jurisdiction.

00:10:58.980 But as we're seeing, it's Albertans who are suffering.

00:11:01.260 Do you feel that there's a need for increased provincial involvement?

00:11:04.640 Or is it important to leave that jurisdiction federal?

00:11:08.320 Yes, there absolutely is a need for provincial involvement.

00:11:11.660 We have been an advising agency through the forest fires.

00:11:15.420 And I can tell you that when Jasper evacuated,

00:11:19.040 I was on the phone immediately asking our team to do whatever we could.

00:11:23.740 I said, we just can't let Jasper burn.

00:11:26.260 And so they already proactively positioned a bunch of equipment

00:11:30.340 so that if the call came in, they were ready for it.

00:11:32.940 The call did come in, and we were ready to put all of our resources.

00:11:35.840 We gave them everything that they asked for.

00:11:37.860 But when we're going through this next phase,

00:11:41.160 we have to remember that Parks Canada, I don't believe,

00:11:44.860 has the expertise to manage a rebuild of this nature.

00:11:48.080 I mean, Parks Canada does a lot of forest firefighting and forest management.

00:11:52.020 This is really the kind of work that municipal governments do.

00:11:55.780 Jasper is a very small community.

00:11:57.340 This is the kind of thing that provincial governments should step into

00:12:00.560 to assist with our expertise.

00:12:02.120 So we're going to be an advisor.

00:12:04.400 I'm happy to be used in any role that they would like.

00:12:07.160 But we also have our own recovery that we need to do.

00:12:09.880 We need to build a senior's lodge.

00:12:12.720 One of our senior's lodges burnt down.

00:12:14.760 So we've got to make sure that we're taking care of those folks.

00:12:17.420 We're working on trying to find a way to get temporary housing

00:12:20.860 that may or may not be just in Jasper.

00:12:23.760 It could also be in Hinton.

00:12:24.780 Remember, Hinton is outside the National Park.

00:12:26.900 So there is a role for us to play in being able to accelerate this.

00:12:30.180 What we don't want is to look back three years from now

00:12:33.540 and see that no progress has been made.

00:12:35.360 I think it's been mentioned to me, and I tend to agree,

00:12:38.680 that the permitting process in national parks has sometimes been very slow,

00:12:43.200 and it can't be in this case.

00:12:44.400 These are folks who need to get their lives back to normal.

00:12:46.760 And so this is part of the reason.

00:12:48.300 When we were asking to be part of Unified Command for the incident,

00:12:51.800 we also asked for that to persist through recovery

00:12:54.560 so that we can be pushing them along

00:12:56.700 and encouraging them to make rapid decisions.

00:12:59.760 Sheila Gunn-Reed for Rebel News,

00:13:01.440 and I'm here just west of Hinton, Alberta,

00:13:03.900 actually between Hinton and Jasper National Park.

00:13:07.300 We're here reporting on the devastating wildfires,

00:13:10.160 many of which that are still burning out of control

00:13:12.340 inside of Jasper National Park.

00:13:15.040 Now, if you want to help in our charitable relief efforts

00:13:18.880 for the people who have been evacuated

00:13:21.040 or have lost homes and businesses inside of Jasper National Park,

00:13:24.700 please consider making a donation at helpjasper.ca.

00:13:29.120 Now, we're on the ground to tell you exactly what's happening here in Hinton.

00:13:33.380 We're the first town to the east of Jasper.

00:13:36.440 Many of the evacuees are here,

00:13:39.260 but also many of the police and firefighting resources are stationed here.

00:13:45.340 And it is almost impossible to go through the town

00:13:49.500 or anywhere near Jasper without encountering a police checkpoint,

00:13:55.000 like what you see behind us here.

00:13:57.420 It's really impossible to bring you any original imagery

00:14:03.060 from inside of Jasper

00:14:04.940 because we're not a member of the mainstream media cabal,

00:14:08.560 so we don't get special treatment from the federal government

00:14:11.580 the way CBC did,

00:14:13.780 getting exclusive pooled access to Jasper.

00:14:17.960 However, the feds don't like us.

00:14:20.000 We have to sue them to get access to politicians. 0.91

00:14:22.560 They're certainly not going to give us access to the National Park

00:14:25.780 where we are going to ask them some serious questions

00:14:28.980 about their mismanagement of the park

00:14:32.160 and the pine beetle fuel load left inside of it.

00:14:36.660 So this morning,

00:14:38.160 in an effort to go around the independent media blackout

00:14:44.000 from the federal government

00:14:45.220 on what's happening inside of Jasper National Park,

00:14:48.400 we took some back roads,

00:14:49.940 we took some logging roads,

00:14:51.700 we tested the suspension of my Jeep today,

00:14:54.580 and we found a high westerly point

00:14:57.660 to put the drone up

00:14:59.300 to see what we could see.

00:15:00.820 We were not able to get close enough

00:15:02.740 to show you any fire devastation,

00:15:04.640 but we did show you

00:15:05.620 some of the beautiful majesty

00:15:08.540 of, I think,

00:15:10.720 the most beautiful place

00:15:12.120 on the face of this earth,

00:15:14.220 Alberta.

00:15:14.900 It's just a shame

00:15:16.000 that the feds chose

00:15:17.720 to mismanage the majesty

00:15:19.800 in such a way

00:15:20.940 that they didn't act

00:15:22.940 on warnings

00:15:23.620 about the pine beetle

00:15:24.700 in 2017,

00:15:26.900 2018,

00:15:27.940 and again

00:15:28.540 in 2022.

00:15:29.860 Despite such hardship,

00:15:31.760 it is worth celebrating

00:15:32.820 that we have not reported

00:15:34.620 any injuries

00:15:35.640 or casualties.

00:15:37.580 Around 358 structures,

00:15:40.100 or roughly 30%

00:15:41.300 of the town,

00:15:42.220 was lost to the fire.

00:15:44.120 But inversely,

00:15:45.380 around 70%

00:15:46.420 of the town

00:15:47.040 was saved.

00:15:48.960 Years of preparation,

00:15:50.740 force management,

00:15:52.120 simulated evacuations,

00:15:53.820 and firefighting efforts

00:15:55.200 paid off.

00:15:56.180 What's happening in Jasper

00:15:57.220 is very different

00:15:58.000 than what happened

00:15:59.140 during the recent wildfire

00:16:01.480 in Lahaina, Hawaii.

00:16:03.900 Lahaina was evacuated

00:16:05.320 last minute.

00:16:06.620 It was disorderly,

00:16:07.820 and people died

00:16:08.580 during the evacuation.

00:16:11.040 Jasper was evacuated

00:16:12.240 early and orderly,

00:16:14.100 and now these checkpoints

00:16:15.520 prevent looters

00:16:16.380 from going back

00:16:17.120 into the town.

00:16:18.100 Here on the ground

00:16:18.760 outside of Jasper, Alberta,

00:16:21.260 for Rebel News,

00:16:22.320 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed.

00:16:23.340 We saw photos,

00:16:25.260 and we saw

00:16:25.880 the landscaping

00:16:28.480 of all the places

00:16:30.060 that have been saved

00:16:30.960 and some that weren't,

00:16:32.500 and yeah,

00:16:33.440 ours was absolutely,

00:16:34.940 it's gone.

00:16:36.660 And we lost everything.

00:16:40.660 Sheila Gunn-Reed

00:16:41.520 for Rebel News.

00:16:42.220 I'm here in Edmonton

00:16:43.560 in the Kennedale neighborhood

00:16:45.060 outside of the reception center

00:16:47.100 for the Jasper

00:16:48.440 wildfire evacuees.

00:16:50.540 For those of you

00:16:51.240 who don't know,

00:16:51.860 some 25,000 people

00:16:53.500 were evacuated

00:16:54.880 because of a wildfire

00:16:56.780 that swept into

00:16:57.740 Jasper National Park

00:16:59.100 over the coming days.

00:17:00.380 We'll figure out

00:17:01.460 why it happened

00:17:02.620 the way it did

00:17:03.400 and why that fire

00:17:04.340 was so bad,

00:17:05.200 but right now,

00:17:05.820 we're trying to help

00:17:07.020 the evacuees.

00:17:08.200 If you'd like to help us

00:17:09.300 by contributing

00:17:11.080 to our 100%

00:17:12.820 charitable crowdfund,

00:17:15.060 please visit

00:17:15.800 helpjasper.ca.

00:17:18.400 Now, this is not

00:17:20.120 the busiest reception center.

00:17:22.040 It seems as though

00:17:22.720 the Shoaldice Reception Center

00:17:24.380 in Calgary

00:17:25.120 is the busier

00:17:26.420 evacuee center,

00:17:28.020 but we were grateful enough

00:17:30.820 to speak to an evacuee

00:17:33.160 named Michael

00:17:34.140 and his son

00:17:35.300 who were both able

00:17:37.520 to tell us a little bit

00:17:38.520 about what their experience

00:17:40.200 has been like

00:17:40.880 as a Jasper fire evacuee.

00:17:43.220 Take a listen.

00:17:44.080 So, Michael,

00:17:44.800 you're from Jasper?

00:17:46.120 We lived in Jasper, yes.

00:17:49.060 For 14 years,

00:17:50.780 I've been there,

00:17:52.220 and it's just

00:17:53.980 absolutely devastating

00:17:56.080 what has happened

00:17:57.480 to our town,

00:17:58.500 our community,

00:17:59.840 and us personally.

00:18:02.380 We were one

00:18:03.800 of the unlucky ones

00:18:04.760 and we lost everything,

00:18:06.880 and so we've come

00:18:08.360 to the center,

00:18:11.600 and they are so helpful

00:18:14.260 and so friendly,

00:18:15.900 and they're doing everything

00:18:17.720 in their power

00:18:18.400 to help everybody

00:18:20.440 in our community,

00:18:22.160 and I don't know

00:18:23.980 where we would be

00:18:24.760 if we didn't have

00:18:26.440 the Red Cross

00:18:27.620 and all the great people

00:18:30.820 behind it all.

00:18:31.600 And so, you know

00:18:34.840 that your home

00:18:36.740 has been lost?

00:18:37.640 Oh, yes.

00:18:39.000 Yeah, we know.

00:18:40.600 We saw photos,

00:18:42.480 and we saw

00:18:43.080 the landscaping

00:18:45.720 of all the places

00:18:47.280 that have been saved

00:18:48.200 and some that weren't,

00:18:49.700 and yeah,

00:18:50.660 ours was absolutely,

00:18:52.160 it's gone,

00:18:53.680 and we lost everything.

00:18:55.240 I'm so sorry

00:18:56.060 to hear that.

00:18:56.740 And can you tell us

00:18:58.980 a little bit

00:18:59.400 about what the experience

00:19:01.060 has been like

00:19:01.660 for the evacuees

00:19:02.800 here in Edmonton?

00:19:06.240 For myself,

00:19:07.840 just,

00:19:08.420 and my son,

00:19:09.800 the way it's,

00:19:11.140 our friends

00:19:11.840 have helped us out a lot,

00:19:13.960 and just being able

00:19:15.480 to come here

00:19:17.060 and, you know,

00:19:17.860 see what they have

00:19:18.600 to offer

00:19:19.760 all the people

00:19:21.040 from Jasper.

00:19:22.740 It's great,

00:19:23.720 from lodging

00:19:24.440 to food

00:19:25.480 to receiving money

00:19:26.920 from the government.

00:19:28.620 It's just,

00:19:29.240 it's,

00:19:32.500 it really,

00:19:33.320 it really warms

00:19:34.720 your heart

00:19:35.360 to know

00:19:35.920 that there's people

00:19:36.840 like these people

00:19:38.220 that are here

00:19:38.900 to help us.

00:19:42.160 I don't know

00:19:42.740 where we would be

00:19:43.520 if we didn't have

00:19:44.880 our friends

00:19:45.440 and we didn't have

00:19:46.100 the Red Cross.

00:19:47.160 I just don't know.

00:19:48.560 Now,

00:19:49.440 if there's one thing

00:19:50.440 that you would like

00:19:51.080 the people to know

00:19:52.400 about Jasper,

00:19:54.620 about the evacuees,

00:19:55.500 what would it be?

00:20:02.560 What Jasper is like

00:20:04.060 and the evacuees.

00:20:07.520 Everybody has

00:20:08.260 a different story.

00:20:12.440 I don't know

00:20:13.500 what else to say.

00:20:15.500 How can the public

00:20:16.600 support the evacuees?

00:20:18.780 Just keep on

00:20:21.700 doing what you're doing,

00:20:23.680 you know,

00:20:24.120 and if you know

00:20:25.260 somebody from Jasper

00:20:26.500 that, you know,

00:20:27.780 needs help,

00:20:28.500 just keep on,

00:20:29.820 you know,

00:20:30.620 lend a helping hand.

00:20:32.480 And to think that

00:20:33.680 over all those decades

00:20:34.920 we would not have

00:20:35.640 deployed all of the

00:20:36.720 resources necessary

00:20:38.020 to try and do

00:20:38.660 everything that is

00:20:39.480 humanly possible

00:20:40.300 to protect a town

00:20:41.340 from a forest fire

00:20:43.280 is simply,

00:20:45.020 simply not,

00:20:45.900 not,

00:20:46.200 not true.

00:20:47.020 They should have

00:20:47.700 had all that

00:20:48.640 pine beetle

00:20:49.360 and that forest fire

00:20:51.340 deadwood gone

00:20:52.980 long time ago.

00:20:54.980 It's BS.

00:20:55.920 Sheila Gunn-Reed

00:20:59.920 for Rebel News

00:21:00.580 and I'm here

00:21:00.980 in Hinton,

00:21:01.900 Alberta.

00:21:02.760 I'm in Hinton

00:21:03.880 because it is

00:21:04.580 the next town

00:21:05.380 over to the

00:21:06.780 east of Jasper

00:21:08.200 National Park.

00:21:09.360 Now,

00:21:09.500 for those of you

00:21:10.100 who don't know,

00:21:11.440 Jasper National Park

00:21:12.520 was hit by

00:21:13.680 a devastating

00:21:14.540 wildfire

00:21:15.460 that swept

00:21:16.360 into the

00:21:17.140 historic town

00:21:18.260 site,

00:21:18.960 claiming 30%

00:21:20.280 of the town

00:21:21.260 site,

00:21:21.540 mostly residential

00:21:22.900 areas.

00:21:23.780 If you would like

00:21:24.620 to help the people

00:21:26.160 of Jasper,

00:21:27.980 please consider

00:21:28.740 making a donation

00:21:29.540 to our 100%

00:21:31.140 charitable efforts

00:21:32.440 at a special

00:21:33.180 crowdfund,

00:21:34.240 helpjasper.ca.

00:21:36.620 Now,

00:21:36.880 I am here in town

00:21:38.060 to do some

00:21:39.160 journalism.

00:21:40.480 The federal

00:21:40.960 government

00:21:41.440 and specifically

00:21:42.520 Parks Minister,

00:21:44.740 Environment and

00:21:45.380 Climate Change

00:21:46.000 Minister,

00:21:46.640 Stephen Gilbeau,

00:21:47.620 says that the

00:21:48.200 federal government

00:21:48.940 did everything

00:21:50.040 they could

00:21:50.720 to eliminate

00:21:51.780 or mitigate

00:21:52.840 the fuel load

00:21:54.420 in the forest

00:21:55.900 in Jasper.

00:21:57.840 The trees

00:21:58.500 in Jasper,

00:21:59.460 44% of them

00:22:00.920 were touched

00:22:01.540 by the

00:22:02.520 mountain pine

00:22:03.500 beetle,

00:22:04.240 leaving standing

00:22:05.360 deadfall

00:22:06.120 all around

00:22:07.360 the park.

00:22:08.520 For years,

00:22:10.220 the local

00:22:10.860 MP,

00:22:11.760 the mayor

00:22:12.460 and locals

00:22:13.900 have complained

00:22:14.900 about the

00:22:15.480 dangerous fuel

00:22:16.820 load in

00:22:18.000 and around

00:22:18.500 the Jasper

00:22:19.200 town site.

00:22:20.000 Stephen Gilbeau

00:22:21.100 says enough

00:22:21.720 was done

00:22:22.240 to deal

00:22:22.960 with it.

00:22:23.480 And this

00:22:24.020 is what

00:22:24.380 we were

00:22:24.880 faced with.

00:22:26.040 And the

00:22:26.240 fact that

00:22:26.680 we were

00:22:27.000 able to

00:22:27.640 protect 70%

00:22:28.880 of the

00:22:29.320 town speaks

00:22:30.640 to all of

00:22:31.400 those measures

00:22:31.920 we have put

00:22:32.840 in place

00:22:33.260 over the

00:22:34.020 years.

00:22:34.440 And frankly,

00:22:34.960 his own

00:22:35.680 documents from

00:22:36.620 his own

00:22:36.940 ministry say

00:22:38.000 no.

00:22:38.640 We're in

00:22:39.160 town to

00:22:39.780 talk to

00:22:40.160 the locals,

00:22:40.880 the people

00:22:41.220 who use

00:22:41.800 the park,

00:22:42.500 who see

00:22:42.940 the park

00:22:43.480 nearly every

00:22:44.420 day,

00:22:44.940 what they

00:22:45.340 think about

00:22:46.020 Stephen

00:22:46.440 Gilbeau's

00:22:47.020 excuses.

00:22:48.740 My question

00:22:49.420 is,

00:22:50.580 do you

00:22:50.940 think the

00:22:51.340 feds did

00:22:51.900 enough in

00:22:52.380 Jasper

00:22:52.740 National Park

00:22:53.340 to clear

00:22:53.740 out the

00:22:54.040 pine beetle

00:22:54.500 deadfall?

00:22:55.040 Absolutely

00:22:55.500 not.

00:22:57.060 No,

00:22:57.720 I don't

00:22:58.320 think they

00:22:58.680 did.

00:22:59.240 But that's

00:23:01.560 all on

00:23:02.540 half the

00:23:04.160 feds wanted

00:23:04.760 to do

00:23:05.120 stuff,

00:23:05.600 half the

00:23:05.980 National

00:23:06.500 Park not

00:23:07.060 allowing

00:23:07.440 people to

00:23:07.880 come in

00:23:08.140 because it's

00:23:08.400 natural.

00:23:09.100 Right.

00:23:09.520 Right?

00:23:09.940 So you

00:23:10.920 can only do

00:23:11.360 so much

00:23:11.780 on that.

00:23:12.160 No,

00:23:12.520 it's been

00:23:12.800 decades of

00:23:13.580 forest mismanagement

00:23:14.480 over there.

00:23:15.620 I work in

00:23:16.660 Jasper,

00:23:17.120 everyone knows

00:23:17.620 it was a

00:23:17.820 matter of

00:23:18.140 time before

00:23:18.500 this happened.

00:23:19.880 Now that's

00:23:20.520 happened,

00:23:20.900 I guess it's

00:23:21.440 happened.

00:23:22.180 I don't know.

00:23:22.800 Nope,

00:23:23.460 not at all.

00:23:24.760 How long

00:23:25.100 do you think

00:23:25.400 it's been a

00:23:25.760 problem?

00:23:27.640 Oh,

00:23:28.300 it's been

00:23:29.840 going on for

00:23:30.280 years.

00:23:31.520 Yeah.

00:23:32.600 No,

00:23:33.140 it's,

00:23:34.320 they should

00:23:35.060 have done a

00:23:35.420 lot more.

00:23:36.180 Yeah.

00:23:36.580 Yeah.

00:23:38.020 Because this 0.99

00:23:39.220 is ridiculous. 0.98

00:23:41.400 It's sad. 0.99

00:23:42.400 It's sad.

00:23:43.060 You know,

00:23:43.640 how many

00:23:43.920 people are

00:23:44.300 losing their

00:23:44.640 homes and

00:23:44.960 everything because

00:23:45.500 of all this.

00:23:46.680 You know,

00:23:47.040 no,

00:23:47.860 there should

00:23:48.180 have been

00:23:48.340 more done.

00:23:49.160 No,

00:23:49.620 not at all.

00:23:50.560 How long

00:23:51.120 has it been

00:23:51.400 a problem?

00:23:52.480 Oh,

00:23:52.740 I'd say

00:23:53.060 since,

00:23:53.460 what,

00:23:53.680 2015,

00:23:55.480 2016.

00:23:56.480 They should

00:23:56.920 have done

00:23:57.140 some more

00:23:57.420 cleanup.

00:23:58.360 I mean,

00:23:58.700 they did

00:23:58.920 a bit,

00:23:59.240 but not

00:23:59.480 enough.

00:23:59.960 I've been

00:24:00.200 going there

00:24:00.680 for years

00:24:01.320 and it's 0.51

00:24:02.520 a frigging 0.97

00:24:02.960 disgrace. 0.99

00:24:03.780 I mean,

00:24:04.820 there was

00:24:06.080 no greenery

00:24:06.800 left around

00:24:07.480 there.

00:24:07.880 Like,

00:24:07.960 I mean,

00:24:08.400 there was

00:24:09.540 great big

00:24:09.940 patches of

00:24:10.700 pine beetle

00:24:12.780 kill and

00:24:13.320 they didn't 0.76

00:24:13.780 do nothing

00:24:14.220 about it.

00:24:15.180 I was waiting

00:24:15.580 years.

00:24:15.920 When are they

00:24:16.220 going to do

00:24:16.600 something?

00:24:16.940 When are they

00:24:17.200 going to do

00:24:17.540 something?

00:24:18.520 Never happened.

00:24:19.900 They should

00:24:20.380 have had all

00:24:21.180 that pine

00:24:21.860 beetle and

00:24:22.520 that forest

00:24:23.320 fire dead

00:24:24.700 wood gone

00:24:25.820 long time

00:24:27.260 ago.

00:24:27.620 it's BS.

00:24:30.220 Sorry,

00:24:30.840 my opinion.

00:24:31.460 No,

00:24:31.700 thank you.

00:24:32.180 Appreciate it.

00:24:32.700 That's why

00:24:33.000 I'm asking

00:24:33.380 you.

00:24:33.640 Yeah,

00:24:33.880 no, 0.95

00:24:34.180 it's ridiculous. 0.95

00:24:36.380 Like, 0.94

00:24:37.360 the town

00:24:37.880 should not

00:24:38.460 have had

00:24:38.860 to burn.

00:24:42.160 Thanks,

00:24:42.740 Mr.

00:24:43.120 Trudeau.

00:24:44.140 Well,

00:24:44.620 there you

00:24:44.860 have it.

00:24:45.320 It sounds

00:24:45.640 like the

00:24:45.920 people who

00:24:46.580 live here

00:24:47.340 and use

00:24:47.840 the park

00:24:48.260 have a

00:24:49.200 different

00:24:49.580 opinion

00:24:50.020 than that

00:24:50.900 of the

00:24:51.360 minister

00:24:51.740 responsible

00:24:52.420 for taking

00:24:52.980 care of

00:24:53.440 the park.

00:24:53.900 I guess

00:24:54.160 you can

00:24:54.480 fool some

00:24:55.280 of the

00:24:55.520 people

00:24:55.820 some of

00:24:56.380 the time,

00:24:56.820 but you

00:24:57.020 can't fool

00:24:57.460 all of

00:24:57.940 the people

00:24:58.380 all of

00:24:59.220 the time.

00:24:59.740 And at

00:24:59.880 the end

00:25:00.140 of the

00:25:00.360 day,

00:25:01.000 Stephen

00:25:01.300 Gilbeau

00:25:01.780 seems to

00:25:02.540 be only

00:25:02.980 fooling

00:25:03.500 himself

00:25:03.980 because

00:25:04.320 he's

00:25:04.640 the only

00:25:05.000 person

00:25:05.540 buying

00:25:06.720 his own

00:25:07.240 BS.

00:25:07.780 It's like

00:25:08.080 he's getting

00:25:08.480 high on

00:25:09.040 his own

00:25:09.360 supply.

00:25:10.400 For Rebel

00:25:11.220 News,

00:25:11.680 here in

00:25:11.980 Hinton,

00:25:12.800 I'm

00:25:13.080 Sheila

00:25:13.300 Gunnery.

00:25:13.920 And so

00:25:14.520 we are

00:25:15.260 here to

00:25:16.320 investigate

00:25:16.980 why it

00:25:17.600 got so

00:25:18.260 bad once

00:25:19.540 it breached

00:25:20.100 the park.

00:25:21.360 And the

00:25:22.100 longer we

00:25:22.740 are here

00:25:23.240 and the

00:25:23.580 longer we

00:25:24.800 are since

00:25:25.700 the fire

00:25:26.920 ended up

00:25:27.620 in the

00:25:28.140 town

00:25:28.860 site,

00:25:29.440 the more

00:25:30.460 facts are

00:25:31.520 coming out

00:25:32.020 and those

00:25:32.300 facts are

00:25:32.700 really

00:25:32.900 inconvenient

00:25:33.480 for the

00:25:34.560 federal

00:25:34.800 government

00:25:35.240 and

00:25:35.500 specifically

00:25:36.020 the

00:25:36.820 environment

00:25:37.180 ministry

00:25:37.720 and

00:25:38.120 environment

00:25:38.620 minister

00:25:39.040 Stephen

00:25:39.420 Gilbeau.

00:25:39.900 I'm here

00:25:40.100 with my

00:25:40.460 videographer

00:25:41.040 Kian 0.95

00:25:41.400 Simoni.

00:25:41.960 He's

00:25:42.440 been behind

00:25:43.060 the

00:25:43.400 camera

00:25:44.020 for the

00:25:45.020 entire

00:25:45.400 day

00:25:45.740 today.

00:25:46.820 We were

00:25:47.500 able to

00:25:48.320 film four

00:25:49.920 videos on

00:25:50.460 the ground

00:25:50.840 and we

00:25:52.160 have a

00:25:52.580 little bit

00:25:53.020 of time

00:25:53.340 tonight

00:25:53.660 before we

00:25:54.080 have to

00:25:54.300 get back

00:25:54.880 at it

00:25:55.180 again

00:25:55.460 tomorrow

00:25:56.040 morning.

00:25:56.520 So we

00:25:56.880 thought we'd

00:25:57.220 sit down

00:25:57.720 and film

00:25:58.340 the weekly

00:25:59.100 gun show

00:25:59.620 just to

00:26:00.180 talk about

00:26:00.660 what we

00:26:01.440 saw,

00:26:01.980 what we

00:26:02.360 weren't

00:26:02.820 able to

00:26:03.420 see,

00:26:03.960 and what

00:26:05.360 we learned

00:26:05.860 along the

00:26:06.860 way.

00:26:07.100 So I

00:26:08.420 guess we'll

00:26:08.860 start with

00:26:09.600 how

00:26:10.960 accessible

00:26:11.660 the

00:26:11.920 Jasper

00:26:12.280 Town

00:26:12.580 site

00:26:12.940 is.

00:26:13.480 We

00:26:13.880 saw

00:26:14.240 that

00:26:14.440 CBC

00:26:14.980 videographers

00:26:17.660 were able

00:26:18.300 to go

00:26:18.700 into the

00:26:19.080 Jasper

00:26:19.440 Town

00:26:19.700 site.

00:26:20.540 I was

00:26:21.220 unimpressed

00:26:21.900 with the

00:26:23.420 quality of

00:26:24.860 the video

00:26:25.280 that they

00:26:25.700 brought out

00:26:26.140 of there.

00:26:26.400 In fact,

00:26:26.800 I found

00:26:27.320 Premier

00:26:27.960 Daniel

00:26:28.280 Smith's

00:26:29.400 B-roll

00:26:30.700 of the

00:26:31.080 Jasper

00:26:31.400 Town

00:26:31.640 site to

00:26:31.920 be far

00:26:32.260 more

00:26:32.520 compelling.

00:26:33.440 But

00:26:33.580 that's

00:26:34.980 what they

00:26:35.940 call

00:26:36.200 pooled

00:26:36.900 video means

00:26:38.880 that CBC

00:26:39.920 went and

00:26:40.320 gathered it

00:26:40.780 and then

00:26:41.040 everybody

00:26:41.320 else can

00:26:41.780 use it.

00:26:43.280 But really

00:26:44.200 the rest

00:26:44.560 of us

00:26:44.840 can't get

00:26:45.180 in there.

00:26:46.240 The video

00:26:47.000 that I saw

00:26:47.460 was literally

00:26:48.100 just pictures

00:26:48.660 that they

00:26:49.040 have taken.

00:26:50.140 They went

00:26:50.440 in there.

00:26:51.280 When you

00:26:51.880 mentioned it

00:26:52.360 before,

00:26:52.800 you said

00:26:53.060 that they

00:26:53.620 didn't get

00:26:54.060 out of

00:26:54.240 their car,

00:26:54.840 but I

00:26:55.960 feel like

00:26:56.240 that's even

00:26:56.720 worse.

00:26:57.220 It's not

00:26:57.840 actually

00:26:58.200 showing.

00:26:58.780 I didn't

00:26:59.040 feel like

00:26:59.280 it showed

00:26:59.780 the magnitude

00:27:00.240 of it

00:27:00.740 at all.

00:27:01.940 Yeah.

00:27:02.580 Bugs.

00:27:03.320 Bugs.

00:27:03.840 Bugs were

00:27:04.280 outdoors.

00:27:05.840 Yeah,

00:27:06.280 I felt

00:27:07.960 like they

00:27:08.640 didn't do

00:27:08.980 it justice

00:27:09.300 at all.

00:27:11.340 Me being

00:27:12.120 from Toronto,

00:27:13.040 the biggest

00:27:13.400 disaster I've

00:27:14.120 seen is

00:27:14.420 traffic.

00:27:15.240 So I

00:27:15.620 guess maybe

00:27:16.320 it's selfish,

00:27:16.880 but I was

00:27:17.100 bummed out

00:27:17.560 that we

00:27:18.180 weren't able

00:27:18.500 to see

00:27:18.800 anything and

00:27:20.180 experience it.

00:27:21.220 And to be

00:27:21.660 able to show

00:27:22.120 other people

00:27:22.680 who don't

00:27:23.780 really actually

00:27:24.340 know how

00:27:25.160 bad it was.

00:27:26.080 Yeah,

00:27:26.700 CBC was

00:27:28.280 I guess

00:27:28.920 hand-selected

00:27:29.600 by the feds

00:27:30.180 because the

00:27:30.680 feds have

00:27:31.120 jurisdiction over

00:27:31.900 the national

00:27:32.340 park,

00:27:32.700 even though the

00:27:33.060 national park

00:27:33.660 is in

00:27:34.560 Alberta and

00:27:35.780 it was kind

00:27:36.400 of worse

00:27:39.060 than disappointing.

00:27:39.880 I feel like

00:27:40.300 it was a

00:27:41.300 complete dereliction

00:27:42.120 of duty,

00:27:43.260 the quality

00:27:43.880 of the

00:27:44.320 images that

00:27:45.080 they took

00:27:46.320 while they

00:27:46.760 were in

00:27:47.080 Jasper.

00:27:47.540 The world

00:27:48.020 is watching

00:27:48.880 with heartbreak.

00:27:51.740 You know,

00:27:51.940 like it is the

00:27:52.520 second most

00:27:53.060 visited national

00:27:54.020 park in this

00:27:54.840 country.

00:27:55.360 people wanted

00:27:58.280 to really

00:27:59.120 see as best

00:28:00.700 they could

00:28:01.040 what happened

00:28:01.500 there and

00:28:02.040 we got

00:28:02.840 stills and

00:28:04.340 a TikTok.

00:28:05.500 And they

00:28:05.820 sent an

00:28:06.220 army of

00:28:06.740 people here

00:28:07.300 and they

00:28:08.160 didn't get

00:28:09.120 anything that

00:28:10.700 an army should

00:28:11.300 have gotten,

00:28:11.720 like an army

00:28:12.120 of videographers

00:28:13.220 or cameramen

00:28:13.900 or journalists.

00:28:15.160 We saw it

00:28:16.020 with our own

00:28:16.400 eyes when we

00:28:17.500 were standing

00:28:17.860 there.

00:28:18.420 I was doing

00:28:19.220 drone work and

00:28:19.800 camera work and

00:28:20.380 you were doing

00:28:20.720 all the

00:28:20.940 journalism.

00:28:21.540 We had no

00:28:22.380 lights because

00:28:22.860 we were using

00:28:23.260 the sun in

00:28:23.740 the daytime.

00:28:24.200 And then

00:28:25.060 beside us

00:28:25.700 they had

00:28:26.000 these lights

00:28:26.540 and the

00:28:27.220 van battery

00:28:28.200 plugged into

00:28:28.980 the camera

00:28:29.560 producer who's

00:28:31.300 on the phone

00:28:31.720 with someone

00:28:32.080 else probably

00:28:32.640 from Ottawa

00:28:33.460 and then a

00:28:34.460 journalist standing

00:28:35.300 there who's

00:28:35.900 also on the

00:28:36.380 phone with

00:28:36.700 someone and

00:28:37.300 it was just

00:28:37.660 like what

00:28:38.420 are you guys

00:28:38.820 doing?

00:28:39.460 Yeah,

00:28:39.880 it's true.

00:28:41.740 Kian's not 1.00

00:28:42.180 making this up.

00:28:42.940 We're standing

00:28:43.580 up on the

00:28:45.120 top of the

00:28:45.820 hill overlooking

00:28:46.780 the police

00:28:47.300 checkpoint that

00:28:49.340 stops people

00:28:50.140 from going

00:28:50.640 into Jasper

00:28:51.520 and we're

00:28:53.400 standing there

00:28:53.900 working the

00:28:54.700 two of us

00:28:55.400 and an

00:28:57.640 SUV pulls

00:28:58.460 up and

00:28:59.700 then another

00:29:00.180 SUV pulls

00:29:01.180 up and

00:29:02.060 then another

00:29:02.520 van pulls

00:29:03.280 up.

00:29:03.700 Four people

00:29:04.140 jump out.

00:29:04.760 One is the

00:29:05.240 journalist.

00:29:06.280 I think they

00:29:06.700 have like a

00:29:07.540 cameraman, a

00:29:08.960 sound guy, a

00:29:10.460 producer and

00:29:11.980 then the

00:29:12.420 journalist.

00:29:13.760 Their cameras

00:29:14.560 have to be

00:29:15.140 hooked to the

00:29:15.980 battery of the

00:29:17.040 van and the

00:29:18.260 van has to

00:29:18.920 stay running so

00:29:20.180 they can do the

00:29:20.880 journalism that we

00:29:21.720 are doing with

00:29:23.260 this camera and

00:29:24.860 this microphone

00:29:25.640 and our cell

00:29:26.480 phones and

00:29:27.460 then they

00:29:28.460 wonder where

00:29:29.040 all their

00:29:29.440 like 1.6

00:29:30.360 billion dollars

00:29:31.060 of journalism

00:29:32.160 bailout money

00:29:33.020 goes. 0.84

00:29:33.560 It was ridiculous. 0.84

00:29:36.200 But let's talk 0.86

00:29:37.360 about the

00:29:37.820 inability to

00:29:38.620 get to see

00:29:39.900 anything in the

00:29:40.880 Jasper town

00:29:41.500 site.

00:29:41.720 Why don't you

00:29:42.020 tell the people

00:29:42.500 the lengths to

00:29:43.900 which we went

00:29:44.640 for half the

00:29:45.840 day just to

00:29:46.400 try to get

00:29:46.900 close enough to

00:29:47.600 get drone

00:29:47.960 footage?

00:29:48.320 Yeah, the

00:29:50.500 drone that we

00:29:51.120 have can go

00:29:52.260 about 1,000

00:29:53.900 meters and so

00:29:56.720 trying to get

00:29:57.360 close enough to

00:29:58.080 Jasper Park which

00:29:58.940 I feel like we

00:29:59.500 were like

00:29:59.780 kilometers and

00:30:00.360 kilometers away

00:30:01.120 driving down

00:30:02.940 logging roads,

00:30:04.360 roads that I

00:30:05.320 don't even think

00:30:05.820 were logging

00:30:06.220 roads, they

00:30:06.780 were just

00:30:07.320 gravel roads

00:30:08.020 that someone

00:30:08.420 made for fun

00:30:09.680 it felt like

00:30:10.240 at points.

00:30:12.160 And then to

00:30:12.460 put the drone

00:30:13.160 up which lost

00:30:13.920 signal before I

00:30:15.360 could even get

00:30:15.920 past a mountain

00:30:16.560 there is

00:30:18.440 literally no way

00:30:19.200 that you can

00:30:19.620 see what's

00:30:20.180 going on in

00:30:20.720 there.

00:30:22.400 And you'd

00:30:23.240 have to drive

00:30:23.800 hours in one

00:30:24.760 direction maybe

00:30:25.400 and then hours

00:30:25.980 in the other

00:30:26.400 direction and

00:30:27.080 come back and

00:30:27.780 I feel like it

00:30:28.300 could still be

00:30:28.640 closed.

00:30:29.500 Yeah, well

00:30:30.200 and it was.

00:30:30.940 The town of

00:30:32.240 Hinton is

00:30:33.020 teaming with

00:30:34.440 RCMP but it's

00:30:35.860 also teaming with

00:30:36.580 first responders.

00:30:37.540 I think they're

00:30:37.940 occupying most of

00:30:38.800 the hotel space

00:30:39.560 here.

00:30:40.840 So there are

00:30:41.880 teams of

00:30:42.380 firefighters from

00:30:43.400 all over the

00:30:44.280 province, now

00:30:44.960 all over the

00:30:45.500 country and it

00:30:46.020 looks like

00:30:46.480 from other

00:30:47.240 parts of the

00:30:47.740 world.

00:30:48.040 I saw South

00:30:48.660 Africa sent 0.99

00:30:49.320 some firefighters.

00:30:51.060 Military is in

00:30:52.280 town also to

00:30:53.260 help assist with

00:30:54.080 the fires.

00:30:55.900 And this is

00:30:56.900 all, even

00:30:57.620 though the

00:30:58.100 fire is

00:30:58.640 burning within

00:30:59.880 the federal

00:31:00.880 national park,

00:31:03.020 the province

00:31:03.700 has really

00:31:04.140 moved every

00:31:05.020 resource that

00:31:05.680 they could

00:31:06.080 into help.

00:31:06.980 Well the news

00:31:07.460 isn't just in

00:31:08.280 Jasper, it's in

00:31:09.200 evacuee centers

00:31:10.260 in the rest of

00:31:11.760 the province.

00:31:12.280 Here's Sydney

00:31:12.720 Bizarre covering

00:31:13.940 one center for

00:31:15.040 people evacuating

00:31:15.980 from Jasper.

00:31:17.440 Yeah, there's

00:31:18.360 another water

00:31:18.900 truck parked

00:31:19.520 there I think.

00:31:21.300 There's mom

00:31:21.700 and dad's

00:31:22.100 house.

00:31:23.620 We were

00:31:23.880 evacuated late

00:31:24.520 on Monday

00:31:25.280 evening and

00:31:25.900 then made

00:31:27.060 our way down

00:31:28.160 through BC to

00:31:28.900 get around to

00:31:29.300 here and

00:31:29.840 yeah, sort of

00:31:30.380 found out on

00:31:30.980 social media this

00:31:32.080 morning that our

00:31:32.940 house had burnt

00:31:33.480 down.

00:31:33.780 People have

00:31:34.120 been saying

00:31:34.580 for months

00:31:35.520 that Jasper

00:31:36.560 was going to

00:31:37.060 burn.

00:31:37.520 We're part

00:31:38.280 of nature and

00:31:39.400 we're smarter

00:31:39.900 than nature.

00:31:41.080 We should be

00:31:41.460 able to live

00:31:42.480 in nature and

00:31:43.740 not, you

00:31:44.860 know, lose

00:31:45.580 our homes

00:31:46.060 every 10

00:31:47.880 years.

00:31:50.980 Sydney

00:31:51.620 Bizarre for

00:31:52.120 Rebel News.

00:31:52.620 Disaster has

00:31:53.460 struck the

00:31:53.900 Jasper area as

00:31:54.860 a massive

00:31:55.400 wildfire has

00:31:56.520 obliterated the

00:31:57.460 town and

00:31:57.980 surrounding area

00:31:58.820 with thousands

00:31:59.960 upon thousands

00:32:00.640 of people

00:32:01.120 evacuating,

00:32:02.040 seeking refuge,

00:32:03.120 some of them

00:32:03.580 behind me here

00:32:04.640 at the reception

00:32:05.400 centre in

00:32:06.060 Calgary.

00:32:06.820 Countless locals

00:32:07.880 have been left

00:32:08.600 unemployed,

00:32:09.840 homeless and

00:32:10.640 deprived of the

00:32:11.520 community they

00:32:12.340 call home.

00:32:13.700 On July 22nd,

00:32:15.200 a state of

00:32:15.920 emergency was

00:32:16.880 declared and

00:32:17.680 evacuation orders

00:32:19.000 put in place,

00:32:20.320 causing the

00:32:20.820 displacement of

00:32:21.900 roughly 25,000

00:32:23.760 Jasper locals

00:32:24.780 and tourists.

00:32:26.120 Many are now

00:32:26.960 seeking refuge at

00:32:28.360 reception centres

00:32:29.320 like the one

00:32:30.100 here in Calgary

00:32:30.820 and other Alberta

00:32:31.820 cities.

00:32:32.800 For food,

00:32:33.820 shelter and

00:32:34.520 other means of

00:32:35.200 support as

00:32:36.240 flames continue

00:32:37.280 to ravage their

00:32:38.180 community.

00:32:39.220 Devastated by the

00:32:40.060 damage this

00:32:40.600 wildfire has

00:32:41.340 caused, those

00:32:42.380 here are now

00:32:43.100 faced with the

00:32:43.720 harsh reality

00:32:44.480 this situation

00:32:45.260 has brought.

00:32:46.260 Many were

00:32:46.920 reluctant to

00:32:47.660 speak to their

00:32:48.200 circumstances on

00:32:49.100 camera at this

00:32:49.960 time.

00:32:50.720 However, we

00:32:51.520 were able to

00:32:52.180 speak to some

00:32:52.860 of the affected

00:32:53.480 individuals just

00:32:54.760 outside this

00:32:55.460 facility to find

00:32:56.680 out a little bit

00:32:57.420 more about what

00:32:58.440 transpired and

00:32:59.620 how it has

00:33:00.320 impacted them.

00:33:01.320 Not only is

00:33:02.200 this a crisis for

00:33:03.080 those directly

00:33:03.740 affected by this

00:33:04.600 wildfire, the

00:33:05.680 situation has

00:33:06.420 also sparked a

00:33:07.420 national conversation

00:33:08.640 around how

00:33:09.700 wildfires should be

00:33:11.240 mitigated and

00:33:12.280 whether negligent

00:33:13.260 climate activism

00:33:14.260 has a role to

00:33:15.300 play in wildfire

00:33:16.500 management.

00:33:17.420 We also spoke with

00:33:18.340 Martin Belanger,

00:33:19.380 known online as

00:33:20.700 Marty Up North,

00:33:21.960 a prominent Alberta

00:33:23.080 outdoorsman content

00:33:24.240 creator, who took

00:33:25.560 social media by storm

00:33:27.000 after posting his

00:33:28.280 reaction to this

00:33:29.100 wildfire situation.

00:33:30.160 With decades of

00:33:31.580 experience exploring

00:33:32.660 and living near

00:33:33.520 Jasper National

00:33:34.420 Park, Marty

00:33:35.500 details his

00:33:36.400 concerns around

00:33:37.180 how lacking

00:33:37.840 forest maintenance

00:33:38.640 and political

00:33:39.620 decision-making may

00:33:41.080 have been prime

00:33:41.780 factors in

00:33:42.480 exacerbating the

00:33:43.400 crisis we now

00:33:44.200 see today.

00:33:45.100 Homes and

00:33:46.120 businesses have

00:33:46.780 been lost to a

00:33:47.600 wildfire that

00:33:48.580 people are calling

00:33:49.760 a wall of flames.

00:33:51.300 There is no denying

00:33:52.200 that this is the

00:33:52.920 worst nightmare for

00:33:53.880 any community.

00:33:55.440 To the residents of

00:33:56.460 Jasper and those

00:33:57.560 displaced far from

00:33:58.820 home looking at the

00:33:59.800 images of your town

00:34:01.300 on TV and online,

00:34:04.160 the feelings of

00:34:05.260 loss and fear and

00:34:06.760 loneliness must be

00:34:08.220 overwhelming.

00:34:10.520 But you are not

00:34:11.640 alone.

00:34:12.980 All Albertans are

00:34:13.720 with you.

00:34:14.540 For many generations,

00:34:15.920 the town of Jasper

00:34:17.600 and the parks

00:34:19.220 surrounding it have

00:34:21.040 been a source of

00:34:22.040 pride.

00:34:26.720 With some of the

00:34:27.760 most beautiful scenery

00:34:29.040 in the world.

00:34:33.720 I live just on the

00:34:34.820 outskirts of Jasper.

00:34:35.820 I live in Edson,

00:34:36.920 Fox Creek.

00:34:37.860 I spent 20 years

00:34:38.960 living up north.

00:34:40.240 In fact, online my name

00:34:41.340 is Marty up north, so

00:34:42.660 people often ask why

00:34:43.960 that is.

00:34:45.160 And yeah, I consider

00:34:48.100 Jasper a playground.

00:34:50.520 I spent 20 years

00:34:53.600 exploring the back

00:34:54.620 country of Jasper.

00:34:55.780 I've seen lots of

00:34:56.460 wildfires.

00:34:57.220 I mean, I'm an

00:34:58.080 Albertan, you know,

00:34:58.840 I've seen Slave Lake,

00:35:00.280 I've seen Fort

00:35:01.540 McMurray.

00:35:02.140 First hand, I've seen

00:35:03.120 lots of wildfires.

00:35:04.380 You know, working in

00:35:05.640 the oil patch, we'd

00:35:06.440 often get asked to

00:35:07.900 offer assistance.

00:35:09.800 Have I ever seen one

00:35:10.840 like this?

00:35:11.500 From what I can tell,

00:35:13.120 no, I've never seen

00:35:14.000 one like this one.

00:35:14.820 This one looks

00:35:15.740 devastating.

00:35:16.240 I mean, I'm getting

00:35:16.680 emotional thinking about

00:35:17.700 it.

00:35:17.880 I do not look forward to

00:35:18.960 going back to Jasper in

00:35:20.740 the coming days to see

00:35:21.880 what it looks like.

00:35:22.880 So I work at the

00:35:24.320 ski hill that's just

00:35:26.300 outside Jasper Town

00:35:27.200 site.

00:35:28.420 And yeah, all me and

00:35:29.800 my flatmates sort of,

00:35:31.360 we were evacuated late

00:35:32.240 on Monday evening and

00:35:33.600 then made our way down

00:35:35.880 through BC to get

00:35:36.720 around to here and

00:35:37.540 yeah, sort of found out

00:35:38.520 on social media this

00:35:39.780 morning sort of thing

00:35:40.380 that our house had

00:35:41.020 burnt down.

00:35:41.720 So yeah, we're sort

00:35:43.440 of displaced at the

00:35:44.140 moment.

00:35:44.620 But yeah, it's a

00:35:46.260 pretty rough time for

00:35:47.100 everyone from the

00:35:48.480 town.

00:35:48.660 Like a lot of Jasper

00:35:50.740 has burnt from what

00:35:52.520 we know, I think it's

00:35:53.100 like 70%.

00:35:53.980 And right now we don't

00:35:56.840 have anywhere to go.

00:35:58.820 We're sorting out a 1.00

00:35:59.600 hotel right now.

00:36:01.060 Our jobs, we don't know

00:36:02.160 when we'll be able to go

00:36:03.060 back.

00:36:03.840 Leaving was really

00:36:04.520 scary.

00:36:05.660 I think like 25,000

00:36:07.080 people evacuated and

00:36:09.340 there was like a about

00:36:12.100 three hours worth of

00:36:13.240 cars like bumper to

00:36:15.100 bumper trying to get

00:36:15.940 out.

00:36:16.560 The Southfire made a

00:36:17.920 significant push driven

00:36:19.120 by wind and, you know,

00:36:22.280 very receptive fuels.

00:36:23.660 There's very, very dry

00:36:24.660 conditions in Jasper

00:36:25.640 right now.

00:36:26.800 And fire behavior was

00:36:29.080 quite intense starting

00:36:30.720 at about around one

00:36:31.960 o'clock.

00:36:33.240 Fire crews were

00:36:34.120 witnessing three to

00:36:35.740 400 foot flames, fully

00:36:37.960 involved, continuous

00:36:39.380 crown fire and a fire

00:36:41.720 spread rate of

00:36:42.580 approximately 15 meters

00:36:44.580 per minute.

00:36:45.060 One of the things that is

00:36:46.280 normally set in place to

00:36:47.500 help mitigate this is

00:36:48.600 controlled burns.

00:36:49.740 We've obviously seen in

00:36:51.300 Banff last year, there was

00:36:52.280 a controlled burn that

00:36:53.140 went loose and actually

00:36:54.760 caused a great deal of

00:36:55.980 devastation in a smaller

00:36:57.280 regard to what we're

00:36:57.900 seeing now.

00:36:58.700 But what's your take on the

00:36:59.900 controlled burns that have

00:37:00.740 been had and are they doing

00:37:02.080 this appropriately?

00:37:03.160 They haven't had enough.

00:37:04.460 I mean, I'm familiar with

00:37:06.520 controlled burns because

00:37:07.340 often when I go hiking on

00:37:09.400 hikes, what we do beforehand

00:37:11.080 is we'll go look on

00:37:12.000 advisories on the government

00:37:13.160 website, the parks website,

00:37:14.600 to see where they're planning

00:37:16.140 on doing burns.

00:37:17.960 And honestly, in the last

00:37:19.780 three or four years, there

00:37:21.120 hasn't been any very many

00:37:23.100 burns.

00:37:24.040 And of the ones they've

00:37:25.320 attempted, they've been

00:37:26.020 unsuccessful.

00:37:26.740 They've either gotten away on

00:37:28.000 them or they were too small.

00:37:30.540 It's ironic, but they've had

00:37:31.520 some that were too small.

00:37:32.580 They tried to make bigger

00:37:33.460 ones that didn't function.

00:37:35.300 You know, the bureaucracy is

00:37:37.340 causing problems.

00:37:38.560 I think they're just hiding it

00:37:39.760 under climate change as, you

00:37:42.120 know, I mean, do I believe in

00:37:43.440 climate change?

00:37:44.060 Sure.

00:37:44.280 There's lots of natural.

00:37:45.500 We live in Alberta.

00:37:47.060 I mean, I can go in the

00:37:47.960 Rockies and show evidence of

00:37:50.220 hundreds of millions of years

00:37:51.780 of climate change, but am I

00:37:54.120 going to blame everything that's

00:37:55.760 happening now on climate

00:37:56.560 change?

00:37:56.920 No, I tend to blame government

00:37:59.800 incompetence.

00:38:00.960 It happened really fast.

00:38:01.960 It's like we were just out at

00:38:02.880 the lake and then all of a

00:38:04.420 sudden a storm picked up and a

00:38:06.060 lightning strike happened and

00:38:07.380 then there was just black smoke

00:38:09.080 coming from everywhere.

00:38:10.680 From when we returned home from

00:38:12.760 work in the evening to the point

00:38:14.060 in which we were evacuated, it

00:38:16.040 was extraordinarily quickly.

00:38:18.940 The fire started and just

00:38:20.360 spread so fast, really.

00:38:21.940 I think it was less just under two

00:38:24.080 hours from the point of where we

00:38:25.620 heard about the fire starting.

00:38:28.080 And then, yeah, it was in under two

00:38:31.440 hours that it went from that to a

00:38:33.460 warning to evacuation to leaving

00:38:35.420 town.

00:38:36.000 And you mentioned in a tweet that's

00:38:37.460 gone viral that it is particularly

00:38:39.340 the last decade where you've seen a

00:38:40.860 deterioration of this quality of

00:38:42.360 service.

00:38:42.760 What was it like before?

00:38:44.120 Before the park had a proper mandate

00:38:46.240 of protecting the park and managing

00:38:49.140 the park.

00:38:49.700 And I think somewhere in the last 15,

00:38:52.420 20 years, you know, the idea of making

00:38:53.960 money off tourists changed the mandate

00:38:56.180 of the park and, you know, they so 20

00:39:00.020 years ago, we had no services in the

00:39:01.600 back country or even in the front

00:39:03.240 country.

00:39:03.620 I mean, you kind of use that your own

00:39:04.940 risk.

00:39:06.040 But now the park is collecting money

00:39:08.080 and doing all these weird things to,

00:39:10.900 I think, attract tourists and to make

00:39:13.340 money.

00:39:13.860 But they're caught in the loop of having

00:39:16.200 to provide services, upgrade those

00:39:18.300 services, and then they're neglecting the

00:39:19.920 actual mandate, which is to protect the

00:39:21.840 wilderness.

00:39:22.760 Jasper National Park, one of Canada's

00:39:24.680 major tourist destinations has been

00:39:27.420 devastated by the pine beetle

00:39:29.000 infestation.

00:39:30.440 Much of the forest is dead or dying.

00:39:33.820 The dead trees are a tremendous fuel

00:39:35.700 load and present a significant risk to

00:39:38.500 the community of Jasper.

00:39:40.960 Residents are concerned for their own

00:39:42.800 safety and that of the visitors and the

00:39:45.420 security of their homes.

00:39:47.420 With a high risk of wildfire fueled by a

00:39:49.660 forest devastated by the pine beetle,

00:39:52.320 have the Liberals put a plan in place to

00:39:56.880 protect this park.

00:39:59.580 The Honourable Minister of Environment and

00:40:01.860 Climate Change.

00:40:03.520 Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

00:40:05.240 Our government is absolutely committed to

00:40:07.180 the ecological integrity of our national

00:40:09.260 parks.

00:40:09.800 That is my first priority as a minister.

00:40:12.160 We are working very hard in all of our

00:40:14.140 parks, including Jasper National Park.

00:40:16.360 I look forward to talking to the member

00:40:17.860 further about this and seeing how we can

00:40:19.800 move forward.

00:40:20.220 They used to harvest.

00:40:21.880 They used to log.

00:40:23.060 I mean, if an area got affected by pine

00:40:25.200 beetles, for instance, they wouldn't just

00:40:26.960 let those stands of pine beetle infested

00:40:29.060 trees stay there.

00:40:30.020 They would go cut some down.

00:40:32.260 And maybe not in the summer, but you can do

00:40:34.120 it in winter or whatever.

00:40:35.100 You could even do it using old technologies

00:40:37.200 like horse-drawn systems.

00:40:39.340 Lately, they haven't done that.

00:40:40.460 I mean, that was one of my number one

00:40:41.580 complaints.

00:40:42.260 Every time I, everybody's seen it.

00:40:44.280 Every Calgarian's seen it.

00:40:45.560 When you drive through the Rockies, when you

00:40:47.280 drive along the highway, you see the slopes

00:40:49.540 on the mountains and all the trees are dead and

00:40:52.040 they're leaving these dead trees there, which is

00:40:54.820 just tinder, just firewood.

00:40:56.580 So that's an example.

00:40:58.040 I mean, they used to do cleanup in around town.

00:41:00.780 And I mean, if there's a fire in the back country,

00:41:03.100 that's one thing.

00:41:04.680 But we're talking, this is like a fire that came

00:41:07.440 through town.

00:41:08.100 I mean, that's completely unacceptable.

00:41:09.940 Like, they should have cleared some land, put a firewall

00:41:14.240 around there, prepared people.

00:41:16.840 Like, I mean, we've had, what?

00:41:18.440 We've had five or six major municipalities in the last 15

00:41:22.140 years.

00:41:23.040 You know, we've had Fort McMurray, Slave Lake.

00:41:26.360 We've had, last year it was all around Grand Prairie.

00:41:29.760 I mean, this is not new.

00:41:30.980 And we've got municipalities that are still unprepared.

00:41:33.720 I mean, yeah, like when we talk about Jasper or Banff,

00:41:36.720 there's the national, there's the big part, the

00:41:38.840 wilderness, but there's the town.

00:41:40.120 And I think in this case, it's the town that was really

00:41:42.340 neglected.

00:41:43.240 On the environmental aspect, a lot of people are seeing

00:41:45.360 this wildfire and they're blaming environmentalism for

00:41:47.740 an increase in wildfires.

00:41:50.000 Whereas if you're actively preventing wildfires, I

00:41:52.700 imagine no doubt there's going to be a buildup of, as you

00:41:55.360 mentioned, the tools needed for wildfires to naturally

00:41:58.400 develop, such as all this dead wood we see.

00:42:00.240 Do you think that these things are related?

00:42:03.100 Do you think that the environmentalists should perhaps

00:42:04.800 be thinking of environmental maintenance and

00:42:07.320 sustainability as opposed to just blaming it for the

00:42:10.200 disaster?

00:42:11.260 Yes.

00:42:12.000 Yes.

00:42:12.460 I mean, you know, the environmentalists in some

00:42:15.320 instances are their own worst enemies.

00:42:17.520 Like an example that I hear all the time is people talking

00:42:21.220 about, oh, we need to protect old growth forests.

00:42:23.940 And people don't actually know what an old growth forest is.

00:42:27.320 And, you know, people imagine that an old growth forest is

00:42:29.580 something in British Columbia with these big sequoias or

00:42:32.000 whatever.

00:42:32.660 But an old growth forest simply means trees that have

00:42:34.900 gotten too old.

00:42:36.100 Well, so the language penetrated the environmental movement and

00:42:40.840 everybody's like, let's protect the old growth forest, which

00:42:42.900 started to mean let's protect everything.

00:42:45.160 Well, no, we can't do that because a forest has a life cycle and

00:42:47.920 at some point the trees are going to die.

00:42:50.220 So either they die naturally and burn or we go and help with the

00:42:53.360 management.

00:42:53.720 So, yeah, I think the environmental movement has hurt itself in some

00:42:59.320 instances.

00:43:00.300 And now in hindsight or after all these disasters, it's easy to blame

00:43:03.740 everybody but, right?

00:43:05.820 No politician is going to take blame for this.

00:43:08.020 No environmentalist is going to take blame for this.

00:43:09.760 No company is going to take blame for this.

00:43:11.140 We're going to blame it on climate change, which is easy.

00:43:14.240 It was a lightning strike, so it just would have happened.

00:43:16.640 But from what we've heard, there's like the trees in Jasper are

00:43:22.400 like dying or something.

00:43:23.900 So like when the lightning strike happened, it just like went up in

00:43:26.840 flames.

00:43:27.600 But people have been saying for months that Jasper was going to burn.

00:43:32.020 I think the most surprising thing is just how quickly it happens.

00:43:35.520 Like we left about 48 hours ago and now there's nothing left.

00:43:40.560 You think you have more time for that kind of thing, but just like

00:43:42.960 that, it's all gone.

00:43:43.520 What should be done or needs to be done now for you guys for the

00:43:47.180 moment and moving forward?

00:43:49.660 Currently, there's been a really good response, especially here from

00:43:54.780 like the evacuation centers in the city and information has been

00:43:58.080 really good in terms of being passed out from like the municipality

00:44:03.080 of Jasper on social media and stuff.

00:44:05.420 So we've known where to go and what to do.

00:44:08.220 Currently, we're being put into hotels indefinitely.

00:44:12.380 Whilst we sort of figure out what the next move is for it.

00:44:16.040 Just need some more clarity on the situation.

00:44:19.700 I suppose I know there's only so much they can know and it's a developing

00:44:22.800 situation, but it would be good to have some kind of roadmap that just outlines

00:44:27.140 what's going to happen, what we're going to get in terms of reparations and what the

00:44:32.500 next few weeks or few months is going to look like.

00:44:35.420 I'll be good to know.

00:44:36.120 I just hope that everybody gets out safe and for the people that like have been living

00:44:40.580 in Jasper their whole lives.

00:44:41.820 Like, I just hope that they're going to be okay and get some sort of compensation or

00:44:46.300 something because we know people who have lived there forever and now their homes are

00:44:51.040 gone.

00:44:51.900 And I just really hope that everything will be okay for them.

00:44:55.360 What do you think needs to be done for the people that we're seeing behind us for the

00:44:57.800 town of Jasper itself now and moving forward?

00:45:00.240 What should be done for them?

00:45:01.120 I hope it's minimal.

00:45:02.320 I hope the damage can be rebuilt quickly.

00:45:04.660 I mean, that's what I'd like to do.

00:45:07.340 I mean, Banff is a gem.

00:45:09.260 Jasper is a gem.

00:45:10.420 They're important to our economy, to tourism.

00:45:13.140 You know, I just said it.

00:45:13.920 I mean, as much as the parks are there as parks, they are also there for tourism.

00:45:19.000 So hopefully we rebuild it quickly, but we got to rebuild it and learn from this.

00:45:24.160 But that's the part that upsets me.

00:45:26.160 We're not learning.

00:45:26.760 I mean, after the fires in Fort McMurray, we should have put a one-mile radius around

00:45:32.820 the town of Banff where we cut all the trees.

00:45:35.460 Let's learn from this.

00:45:36.600 Like, we've had, like, this is nothing new.

00:45:38.860 I don't know why we're pretending that this is a new phenomenon.

00:45:42.960 Like, let's not fool ourselves.

00:45:44.300 We live in the middle of, we live in Alberta where there are huge forests.

00:45:47.660 And we used to be good at doing this.

00:45:49.660 Like, when I was a kid, this didn't happen every year.

00:45:52.280 You didn't burn down towns.

00:45:54.080 So let's remind ourselves of where we live, and let's be realistic and pragmatic, and

00:45:58.720 let's forget some of these crazy ideologies, and let's focus on what's important, which

00:46:03.080 is, you know, the fact that we live in the wilderness, and we need to be prepared for

00:46:06.680 the inevitable fires.

00:46:08.720 They will always happen.

00:46:09.900 You mean we're part of nature?

00:46:11.040 We're part of nature, and we're smarter than nature.

00:46:14.200 We should be able to live in nature and not, you know, lose our homes every 10 years.

00:46:21.420 For Rebel News, I'm Sidney Fizzard.

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00:46:45.700 More than one, I hope it's fun to come here.

00:46:46.040 Here's what's going on!!

00:46:47.560 We'll be able to involve you.

00:46:48.640 Death is free and it's free and void.

00:46:50.480 If anything, you're going to survive while convincing them.

00:46:52.120 We'll never forget about it.

00:46:53.200 Everything's free and it's free.

00:46:55.000 Let's do it, and we'll see you today.

00:46:57.360 Let's do that.

00:46:58.760 It's terrible.

Rebel News Podcast - August 05, 2024

EZRA LEVANT ｜ The best of our coverage of the Jasper wildfires

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