Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ The United Nations threatens to 'crush' freedom of speech on the Internet

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00:01:11.620 Tonight, the United Nations threatens to crush freedom of speech on the internet. It's June

00:01:16.960 19th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:19.040 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:33.640 I saw this tweet from the United Nations. The Twitter bio of the account says this.

00:01:39.920 The UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, OCA, helps humanitarian organizations save the

00:01:47.240 lives of people caught in crises. Wow. Saving the lives of people in a crisis? It sounds like a pretty

00:01:54.700 tough job. And so this is what they're up to. Hate speech incites violence and intolerance,

00:02:03.860 undermines diversity and social cohesion, harms peace and development. The International Day for

00:02:11.200 Countering Hate Speech. Learn more about the Impacts and Actions you can take to say no to hate.

00:02:17.640 And look at that image. A hand grenade that says words can be weapons, which is literally untrue.

00:02:26.200 I mean, it's a metaphor. It's a figure of speech, but they mean it literally. A word is not a weapon.

00:02:31.740 You can use words like violence or assaulted or hurt about words, but you don't actually get

00:02:39.780 assaulted or hurt like you do with guns or hand grenades. Hurt your feelings, maybe, but nothing

00:02:46.620 more. And the very fact that they're trying to co-opt the words and imagery of actual violence

00:02:52.240 sort of gives it away. They don't want to admit that they're just coming in as censors.

00:02:56.820 They want to pretend it's different in some way, that they're actually coming out against violence,

00:03:01.300 when in fact they're precisely coming against just your speech. But can someone please tell me what

00:03:07.800 hate speech is? I know what hate is. It's a human emotion. It's a natural emotion like love,

00:03:15.360 contempt, respect. These are feelings or emotions. You can't just turn them off.

00:03:20.040 They're hardwired in you, by the way. After countless generations, they're part of being human.

00:03:24.980 You can no more ban the emotion of hate than you can prescribe the emotion of love. You just can't.

00:03:31.520 You have to govern your hate. You have to control yourself, not like a baby maybe. You have to turn

00:03:37.160 your feelings into something productive and positive, but you can't turn off your feelings.

00:03:42.980 And in fact, if someone simply tells you not to feel a feeling, don't you always feel it more?

00:03:49.660 Don't love him. Don't hate me. When you're told you can't feel a feeling, it doesn't turn it off.

00:03:58.860 So that's hate. And speech is obvious, isn't it? It's an expression of your ideas,

00:04:04.120 what you think and feel, your imagination, your plans, your ideas, how you react to things.

00:04:09.600 Some of it will be motivated by love, some by hate, some by just the processes of your day.

00:04:13.860 But if you truly are love or hate something, you will likely be moved to express it.

00:04:19.640 How many crummy pop songs have been written because someone felt in love?

00:04:24.460 Well, people speak out because they feel the emotion of hate too.

00:04:27.740 And I think that on average, that's probably a good thing.

00:04:31.560 Because peaceful, well, speaking is peaceful. Speaking is not violence.

00:04:36.820 Speaking is a safety valve, or it can be.

00:04:39.180 Especially if you take your negative emotions and transform them into a call for positive action

00:04:44.700 to fix the underlying grievance that has caused you the painful feeling of hate.

00:04:50.920 Hate typically comes from a sense of injustice or another grievance.

00:04:55.060 You're not going to get someone to turn off those feelings until you fix the problem underneath it.

00:05:00.520 In a psychoanalyst's couch, you might have to dig deep into a person to find out what is causing them feelings of anger.

00:05:07.680 In the political sphere, people often tell you what is causing their anger.

00:05:14.880 And they may be wrong, and they might be right, and they might be mistaken, they might be unfair.

00:05:18.360 But in our democratic society with our civil liberties, we invite people to air their grievances in the public square.

00:05:23.860 And to negotiate with others and to find a harmonious outcome.

00:05:28.900 Sometimes, by the way, people just want to be heard.

00:05:31.020 They want to feel like they have some control or power over their own lives.

00:05:34.380 By the way, we lost a lot of that over the last three years.

00:05:38.000 People had terrible grievances, genuine grievances, and injustices done to them.

00:05:42.780 People were attacked by the folks who claim they care.

00:05:46.860 People's funerals and weddings were canceled.

00:05:48.940 People's churches were closed.

00:05:50.540 Their businesses were closed.

00:05:52.020 Their schools were closed.

00:05:53.500 They were fired if they didn't take a medicine they didn't understand or want.

00:05:57.040 And don't tell me the government didn't whip up hate itself.

00:06:00.340 Look at this hate monger.

00:06:01.660 Sir, you deserve a government that's going to continue to say, get vaccinated.

00:06:07.360 And you know what?

00:06:08.700 If you don't want to get vaccinated, that's your choice.

00:06:12.340 But don't think you can get on a plane or a train beside vaccinated people. 1.00

00:06:16.940 Don't put that on the list.

00:06:18.000 The small fringe minority of people who are on their way to Ottawa or who are holding unacceptable views that they're expressing do not represent the views of Canadians who have been there for each other.

00:06:39.340 Yeah, we were lied to for three years about everything.

00:06:42.100 We were harmed economically, socially, even physically.

00:06:45.060 There are feelings of hate out there.

00:06:46.980 And the answer is to air it out.

00:06:49.580 To give people a forum, to hear them, and to address their concerns.

00:06:52.980 Truth and reconciliation, as they say.

00:06:56.440 Trudeau's move, of course, is to denounce anyone with concerns as racist or whatever.

00:07:00.880 He always does that, doesn't he? Always.

00:07:23.440 So that's hate and that's speech.

00:07:25.020 But you put the two words together and they come up with some new idea.

00:07:28.520 Hate speech. What is that?

00:07:30.880 Words are words. Ideas are ideas.

00:07:32.620 The facts are correct or not.

00:07:33.840 The opinions are reasonable or not.

00:07:35.480 But what does hate have to do with it?

00:07:38.660 Can you say the exact same words, the exact same sentence twice?

00:07:42.740 But the first time you have hard feelings in your heart.

00:07:46.020 And the second time you don't.

00:07:49.500 It's the first instance illegal and the second is fine.

00:07:52.600 Why does it make a difference what you feel in your heart, what words you say?

00:07:55.800 Can you oppose vaccine mandatory jabs if you're full of love, but not if you're full of hate?

00:08:03.040 And who can tell, by the way?

00:08:05.660 Isn't the whole notion of hate speech just like the notion of disinformation and misinformation?

00:08:11.440 It's just a way for one side to denounce the other side.

00:08:14.300 I have an opinion.

00:08:16.720 He has disinformation.

00:08:18.960 I am motivated by passion.

00:08:21.100 He is motivated by hate speech.

00:08:24.360 Really, isn't it just an attempt to criminalize disagreement, to shut it down, shut it off before it even begins?

00:08:32.040 Isn't it just a form of cancel culture? 0.98

00:08:34.160 A form of nationalizing the language of having governments in a position to tell us what we can or can't say,

00:08:40.000 and therefore what we can or can't think.

00:08:43.700 And imagine the United Nations doing that.

00:08:46.260 The UN, an unelected body dominated by Russia and China and Iran and every dictatorship in the world. 0.89

00:08:51.920 Not that Joe Biden or Rishi Sunak or Justin Trudeau are much better.

00:08:58.080 So let's look at what the UN has to say.

00:09:00.700 If you click the link on that tweet, you come to this page on the UN's website.

00:09:05.440 Right?

00:09:06.460 Countering dark age of intolerance starts by tackling hate speech.

00:09:10.700 While there's so much, in so few words there, a dark age of intolerance, really.

00:09:16.420 And the way to stop it is by tackling hate speech, really.

00:09:19.660 By censorship?

00:09:21.120 That's the way to bring us out of the dark ages is censorship.

00:09:25.460 So censorship is not the problem.

00:09:27.040 It's the cure, is it?

00:09:29.160 Let's read a bit.

00:09:30.100 From institutionalized racism to genocide, the roots are the same, according to people on the front lines of change who shared their stories with UN News ahead of the International Day for Countering Hate Speech, observed on Sunday.

00:09:43.860 Hey, did you observe the holiday?

00:09:45.500 But hang on.

00:09:50.740 Institutionalized racism, I know what that is.

00:09:52.260 That's like South African apartheid. 0.56

00:09:53.900 Or it's like genocide.

00:09:56.320 Which means murdering people who are part of a particular ethnicity. 0.95

00:10:00.020 That's not hate speech.

00:10:02.100 That's actual physical violence or actual actions.

00:10:05.920 Like racist laws.

00:10:08.640 The very headline shows that the problem isn't words.

00:10:11.380 It's laws or physical violence.

00:10:12.920 And the absence of laws to protect people from physical violence.

00:10:16.620 In both cases, free speech is the solution, not the problem.

00:10:22.260 But look at this next line.

00:10:23.740 And this is said with approval.

00:10:25.880 Social media's role in crushing hate speech.

00:10:29.720 They love the idea of crushing hate speech.

00:10:32.220 They love saying crushing.

00:10:34.100 They want you to think they will only crush bad speech.

00:10:37.400 But they get to define what that is.

00:10:40.280 From COVID-19 to climate change, hateful exchanges among those with opposing views is a growing concern, said Latifa Ackerback, president of the High Authority of Audiovisual Communication in Morocco.

00:10:55.300 So right there, if you disagree with COVID-19 policy, lockdowns, vaccine mandates, travel bans, closed churches, whatever, you're hateful.

00:11:05.780 If you disagree with climate action, but of course.

00:11:10.380 And who would know better than someone from the high authority of audiovisual communication in Morocco?

00:11:17.340 That is such a wonderful job title, isn't it?

00:11:19.280 You might think that you are an authority in audiovisual communication.

00:11:22.560 I mean, you watch TV and you listen to radio and I bet you surf the internet a lot, including on your phone.

00:11:30.260 Do you think that Latifa Ackerback, president of the High Authority of Audiovisual Communication in Morocco, no less, has any special knowledge, let alone moral authority, more than you do?

00:11:41.640 When it comes to the internet, what a laugh that title is, but they say it with complete seriousness.

00:11:47.860 Now, I like Morocco.

00:11:48.720 I've never been there, but I like what I know.

00:11:51.360 As dictatorships go, it's probably one of the gentler ones, but it does have a hereditary king who runs the place.

00:11:59.300 He is a dictator, maybe a friendly one.

00:12:02.480 Freedom House, which ranks the freedom of the world's countries, calls it partly free.

00:12:06.080 Here's their summary of their in-detail report on the country.

00:12:11.360 Morocco holds regular multi-party elections for parliament, and reforms in 2011 shifted some authority over government from the monarchy to the elected legislature.

00:12:20.120 Nevertheless, King Mohammed VI maintains dominance through a combination of substantial formal powers and informal lines of influence in the state and society.

00:12:29.360 Many civil liberties are constrained in practice.

00:12:31.360 Yeah, so the UN is really picking the right people to tell us how to use our freedom of audiovisual communication.

00:12:38.880 Super gross.

00:12:40.100 Anyways, back to the UN website.

00:12:43.260 The international community's failure in managing and regulating migration fuels the sponsors of hate speech and helps them follow through with their plans, she said,

00:12:54.120 calling on governments to adopt fair positions in the face of separation movements, terrorism, and violation of human rights.

00:13:02.620 I honestly don't even know what that means.

00:13:04.680 I've read it three times.

00:13:05.660 I don't know what it means.

00:13:06.460 But apparently social media is responsible for everything from separatist movements to terrorism.

00:13:11.700 Some of the separatist movements she no doubt is talking about go back centuries.

00:13:15.600 How does social media, which is basically 10 years old, blame?

00:13:21.180 Or just hear me out.

00:13:22.940 Maybe, just maybe, she's part of an unfree dictatorship that's looking for a way to justify cracking down on the freedom tool of the internet that her boss doesn't like. 1.00

00:13:34.240 Here's someone else the UN wants us to listen to.

00:13:36.960 Had social media existed in 1994, the genocide against the Tutsi in Rwanda would have been much worse, according to survivor Henriette Mutegwaraba, who recalled the hate speech propagated via radio at the time.

00:13:52.240 A message that used to take years to spread can now be put out there, and in one second, everybody in the world can see it, she said.

00:13:58.820 If there was Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram, it would have been much worse.

00:14:02.340 The bad people always go to youth whose minds are easy to corrupt.

00:14:07.020 Who is on social media now?

00:14:08.840 Most of the time, young people.

00:14:11.820 But you heard her refer to radio, and that's the thing.

00:14:15.120 I mean, look at this study here.

00:14:17.360 There's one story.

00:14:18.840 This is a study from Concordia University.

00:14:21.560 Here's a study from Duke.

00:14:23.540 It is very well documented that the genocide in Rwanda was whipped up by radio, which is instant, of course.

00:14:30.540 And easy for everyone to hear.

00:14:33.480 Newspapers, too, of course.

00:14:34.780 Obviously, the same thing in Hitler's Germany. 0.86

00:14:37.400 You don't need social media for a genocide.

00:14:41.080 But the difference between a radio station and a newspaper on the one hand, and I add in TV stations or movies, like, I don't know, Lenny Riefenstahl's famous propaganda movies for Adolf Hitler.

00:14:54.120 The difference between TV and movies and newspapers and radio stations, on the one hand, is that those are hard to get and hard to use.

00:15:03.080 No ordinary person can just get a radio station or a TV station or a newspaper.

00:15:07.240 In Rwanda, in Hitler's Germany, in Soviet Russia, those were owned and controlled by the government and their allies.

00:15:15.380 There was no people's press to talk back.

00:15:18.480 There was no opposition.

00:15:19.380 That's what TikTok and Twitter and Facebook and Instagram are.

00:15:24.280 Ordinary people can use them to fight back and can connect instantly with people around the world.

00:15:31.460 TikTok wouldn't have caused the Rwandan genocide.

00:15:34.740 It was caused by violence from the government.

00:15:38.300 But maybe TikTok could have helped ordinary people fight back by giving them a voice, by spreading the word.

00:15:43.160 Hate speech laws in Rwanda and hate speech laws in, I don't know, China, the Soviet Union, they wouldn't help you fight against hate or genocide.

00:15:54.880 Obviously, they're used against the enemies of the state.

00:15:58.940 You are called the haters.

00:16:01.420 China is committing a genocide against the Uyghur Muslims right now. 0.96

00:16:05.980 They are denounced by the Chinese government as the haters, as the hate speechers, as the terrorists. 0.94

00:16:11.100 Don't you see?

00:16:13.320 When you boast about crushing social media, you're boasting about crushing individual people, not crushing the state.

00:16:20.640 But it is the state that is the greatest killer of all time.

00:16:26.100 Let me read just one more excerpt from the U.N.

00:16:29.280 Dark Age of Intolerance.

00:16:31.220 Mita Hosali, Deputy Director of the U.N. Department of Global Communication, said young people are often seen today as vectors of such toxic trends as online hate speech.

00:16:45.000 Increasingly, we are entering this dark age of intolerance fueled by polarization and mis- and disinformation.

00:16:51.980 And there are all kinds of facts swirling out there, she cautioned.

00:16:55.220 It's like a ladder of incremental extremism, Ms. Hosali said.

00:17:01.000 You start at the bottom with a stereotype, move on to emojis and memes that lead to harmful speech.

00:17:07.580 Harmful speech leads to hate speech.

00:17:09.620 A torrent of hate builds up and results in the incitement of violence.

00:17:13.920 And then you have actual violence.

00:17:16.320 Got it.

00:17:16.880 So don't worry about Vladimir Putin in Russia or the Ayatollahs of Iran or don't worry about the North Korean dictator or China and the Communist Party.

00:17:27.280 Don't worry about Saudi Arabia or Cuba or Venezuela.

00:17:29.440 Don't worry about wars or prisons or domestic attacks on civil liberties.

00:17:33.360 It's the kids with the emojis.

00:17:35.560 You know, those little smiley faces.

00:17:37.640 That's the danger.

00:17:39.360 Toxic trends.

00:17:41.020 That's pretty science-y, isn't it?

00:17:42.640 This is all the same language that Justin Trudeau uses.

00:17:48.100 No surprise, he's submissive to the UN.

00:17:51.400 Joe Biden uses this kind of talk, too.

00:17:53.860 New Zealand, the UK, Canada, the US, all are trending towards censorship.

00:18:00.120 They hate Twitter now.

00:18:01.500 Twitter used to enforce censorship.

00:18:03.680 Now it defies censorship.

00:18:05.180 Just a quick example, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is running as a Democrat to challenge Joe Biden in the Democratic presidential primary.

00:18:13.980 He's polling very well.

00:18:16.100 But he's being blacklisted by social media companies.

00:18:19.160 YouTube literally deleted his interview.

00:18:23.200 He could be president.

00:18:24.300 But they've already set the precedent by banning Trump, who was a sitting president at the time.

00:18:30.340 Of course, they banned Kennedy, who criticizes the CIA and big pharma.

00:18:36.300 But not Twitter.

00:18:37.760 They're platforming him.

00:18:40.640 Tucker Carlson now does his TV show direct to Twitter and gets tens of millions of views each time.

00:18:46.600 Sometimes more than 100 million views.

00:18:48.660 That's 20 or 30 times more than he got before when he was on Fox.

00:18:54.220 They're coming to stop Elon Musk and Tucker Carlson and RFK Jr.

00:18:59.800 There's no one they won't try to stop.

00:19:03.240 By any means necessary.

00:19:06.840 Don't think they won't come for you, too.

00:19:09.980 Stay with us for more.

00:19:18.660 I tell you, Twitter is free, but it is an amazing, fascinating, and valuable tool, now more than ever, now since it has been turned into a free speech platform by Elon Musk.

00:19:36.300 Let me show you an interesting exchange from a few days ago.

00:19:40.160 It starts when our Canadian professor and public intellectual Jordan Peterson tweeted this.

00:19:47.540 He said, referring to the College of Physicians, College of Psychologists of Ontario, that's having a hearing on his political wrong thing.

00:19:54.980 He said, a court in Canada is going to rule on the College of Physicians Ontario decision to sentence me to mandatory re-education.

00:20:03.160 Re-education, on June 21st, for my reprehensible political views, the process is called a judicial review.

00:20:11.260 And then Elon Musk himself answered, saying, re-education is such an interesting term.

00:20:19.480 Where have I heard that before?

00:20:23.080 Well, someone who knows and someone who lived through it is our guest today.

00:20:29.060 Her name is Sheevan Fleet.

00:20:30.840 I'll introduce her in a moment, but here's what she wrote.

00:20:34.280 She said in reply, I not only heard about this term more than 50 years ago, I also lived through it.

00:20:42.780 Mao coined this term with his order.

00:20:46.360 Millions of urban youths and red guards were sent to the countryside to receive their re-education from poor peasants to be true communists.

00:20:58.000 And look at this.

00:20:59.100 This is terrifying.

00:21:00.840 This is the only photo I have of me in the center.

00:21:04.280 As a young high school graduate who was exiled to the countryside, my re-education lasted for three years until Mao died. 0.78

00:21:11.380 In the pics, I was with friends at the damn reservoir we helped to build with our bare hands.

00:21:17.200 Never in my wildest dream did I imagine that this term would one day make its way to America. 0.95

00:21:22.200 Yes, re-education is indoctrination by coercion and force.

00:21:28.120 And just one last tweet, because it's so—you've got to follow our guest on Twitter, Sheevan Fleet.

00:21:34.500 But just one more tweet, and then we'll get to her straight away.

00:21:38.440 She shows an old Maoist propaganda poster and says—old propaganda poster—educated youth should go to the countryside to get their re-education from poor peasants.

00:21:51.660 Well, what does that mean, and how is it related to what they're doing to Jordan Peterson and others with wrong think?

00:21:59.820 Joining us now is Sheevan Fleet.

00:22:02.140 Shee is a survivor of Maoism and the author of the forthcoming book, Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning.

00:22:12.720 You can pre-order it on Amazon now.

00:22:15.120 Shee, it's a pleasure to have you back on the show.

00:22:18.100 And thank you again for weighing in with such an interesting lesson from history.

00:22:24.300 Tell me about what re-education meant 50 years ago.

00:22:28.940 How did you get selected for it?

00:22:32.840 Tell us your own story, first of all.

00:22:35.840 Yes.

00:22:36.860 And in order to understand re-education, I have to introduce another term.

00:22:40.840 And I think this term will make into American lexicon.

00:22:44.400 It's called thought reform.

00:22:46.840 The whole purpose of re-education is to get rid of the so-called bourgeois thoughts.

00:22:54.180 The thoughts that is not pure communist.

00:22:57.520 So we have to get rid of, how do you get rid of those thoughts?

00:23:01.500 You do it by physical labor.

00:23:04.680 So we're supposed to work with the peasants, live with the peasants. 0.96

00:23:09.840 But most of all, we have to think as the peasants do. 0.99

00:23:14.500 And what does that mean?

00:23:15.860 That means give up any critical thinking skills.

00:23:20.040 Get rid of it.

00:23:20.720 That's not good.

00:23:21.600 You need to follow the party line and be just like the peasants. 0.99

00:23:27.000 Follow the party.

00:23:28.300 And that is what the re-education is for.

00:23:31.360 So today, the bourgeois is really the conservative ideologies.

00:23:39.020 The American founding principles, those are the bourgeois thoughts that need to be corrected through re-education camp.

00:23:48.520 Well, why were you chosen?

00:23:51.400 How old were you?

00:23:53.100 What did you do to make you singled out?

00:23:55.820 Or I guess there were millions of you.

00:23:57.660 Why were you?

00:23:59.240 It's millions.

00:24:00.540 It's all the urban youths that graduate from high school.

00:24:06.220 And we're all sent to the countryside.

00:24:08.300 First of all, there's no jobs.

00:24:09.580 So it's basically a way to get rid of the youths and put them into the countryside and work with the peasants. 0.98

00:24:16.360 I was 16 when I went to the countryside.

00:24:20.020 And I worked in the fields in a very primitive condition.

00:24:25.180 And one of the jobs we did is to build a dam.

00:24:29.140 And I later added a picture.

00:24:31.620 I don't have my own of how we did it.

00:24:33.940 We digged the dirt, carried the dirt, and dumped it into another place.

00:24:38.620 It was a bad, breaking task.

00:24:41.820 So what I learned?

00:24:43.020 I learned nothing.

00:24:44.300 I learned that life was so hard.

00:24:46.860 And I learned that it is a good idea to get rid of any critical thinking skills.

00:24:53.800 So you just don't think.

00:24:54.880 You just do it.

00:24:55.940 All you need to do is follow the water.

00:24:58.920 And that's the purpose of re-education.

00:25:00.820 And can you compare that?

00:25:04.520 I mean, you weighed in with this personal revelation, this personal story, and even a photograph.

00:25:11.120 When Elon Musk and Jordan Peterson were talking about thought reform or re-education,

00:25:18.540 how are modern-day thought reforms comparable to what you lived through under Mao Zedong?

00:25:26.640 What are the common elements?

00:25:28.800 In Jordan Peterson's case, his professional association condemned him to re-education.

00:25:37.620 How is that the same as what Mao did?

00:25:40.720 It's the same thing.

00:25:41.880 It's like, you know, one of the training is called sensitivity training.

00:25:45.700 It's basically get rid of what you had in your mind that does not agree with the party.

00:25:53.740 And the party, which is in China, the CCP, here's the Democratic Party.

00:25:59.760 And they had their own ideology, the woke ideology.

00:26:04.100 If you have a thought that's contradictory, you need to go to the camp and re-educate it and reform your thought

00:26:12.740 so that you'll be on board with what they're pushing, which is accept their lies and follow their orders.

00:26:21.380 Do they do things like that now, or do they have different tools and tactics now?

00:26:28.440 Oh, they have.

00:26:29.520 That's called a study session.

00:26:31.700 And it's not to send you to the countryside yet.

00:26:35.180 But Mao did that.

00:26:36.500 But now it's study session.

00:26:38.560 Every company or organization has to devote so much time, a week, to political study.

00:26:47.300 Study what?

00:26:48.200 Study Xi Jinping's thought.

00:26:50.520 Now, not Mao's thought anymore.

00:26:52.560 It's Xi Jinping's thought.

00:26:54.280 And the book that you have to read, it's no longer a read little book.

00:26:58.780 It's Xi Jinping's book.

00:27:00.260 Same thing.

00:27:01.420 Thought reform.

00:27:02.300 Never stop.

00:27:02.960 I want to talk about another one of your tweets, if I may, because you make these comparisons

00:27:09.540 and they're fascinating and terrifying.

00:27:12.000 One of the things that's happening in North America and the UK as well, in Australia, is

00:27:18.760 transgenderism and sexualizing of young children in schools. 1.00

00:27:25.380 And let me read a tweet that you posted that chilled me to the bone.

00:27:28.680 You said, too many Americans are clueless about communism.

00:27:33.340 Communists will ban whatever and promote whatever in order to seize and maintain power.

00:27:39.880 And here, I didn't know this.

00:27:42.440 The CCP, the Chinese Communist Party, promoted free sex to destabilize the society before it 0.95

00:27:49.080 took power in 1949, then criminalized it afterwards in order to have a tight control of society.

00:27:55.280 People were jailed or executed for having free sex.

00:27:58.680 And then you have a picture.

00:27:59.500 You say, this 26-year-old girl was shot for the crime of sleeping with multiple men. 0.66

00:28:05.520 And then you make the comparison.

00:28:07.320 And I'll ask you to expand on this in a second.

00:28:09.100 You say, American Marxists, not capitalism, promote queer theory because it is a useful 0.99

00:28:15.880 tool to destabilize society.

00:28:18.600 When they achieve absolute power, they will ban everything they are promoting now if it does

00:28:22.920 not help them to maintain power in their new order.

00:28:25.240 You won't be allowed to be your authentic self.

00:28:28.500 You can only be what they allow you to be.

00:28:30.460 Not to understand this will be lethal.

00:28:33.500 You know, I suppose it's another way to tap into the enormous energy of young people, teenagers,

00:28:40.740 people who are just discovering their sexuality.

00:28:44.000 And instead of restraining it, saying, be a communist and you can do free love, whatever

00:28:50.120 you want, you're unlocking a lot of power because, you know, I suppose the sexual interests

00:28:57.260 and appetites of young people, if you say, come with us and we won't have any limits on

00:29:02.760 you, maybe that's what they're doing with this queer theory. 0.60

00:29:06.740 They're telling young people, don't control yourself, but do whatever you want.

00:29:10.280 We'll use your energy to smash the establishment. 1.00

00:29:13.460 Is that the point you're making?

00:29:15.640 Well, that's only one way.

00:29:17.540 Yes.

00:29:17.940 They use the race and they use other ways to divide people and to get them into their camp 1.00

00:29:28.160 to be revolutionaries.

00:29:30.220 Okay.

00:29:30.380 I can tell you a little bit about my father.

00:29:32.220 He joined the revolution and he had arranged the marriage and they were told to break away

00:29:41.620 from those old traditions and join the revolution.

00:29:44.280 You can have your authentic self or you can choose whatever partner you want.

00:29:49.500 And it's the, you know, and just what I said in Twitter, they promote freedom, freedom.

00:29:56.700 And that appealed to so many young people and they joined the revolution.

00:30:02.040 And what happened?

00:30:03.680 Afterwards, it's total control.

00:30:05.620 You don't have any freedom to choose whatever.

00:30:08.020 You have to do what you're told to do.

00:30:10.700 And this is something that people don't understand because they promote it as freedom.

00:30:17.100 It's not.

00:30:18.100 It's only freedom right now because the reason they're promoting it is that's how they destabilize

00:30:23.700 a society.

00:30:25.360 Once they achieve their goal of having complete power, absolute power, everything will be

00:30:32.580 under their thumb.

00:30:33.900 You won't have any freedom and you won't be able to be whatever authentic self you want

00:30:40.100 to be. 1.00

00:30:41.540 So once they are used to destroy the establishment, I guess that's what Lenin called useful idiots. 1.00

00:30:48.320 Useful idiots. 1.00

00:30:49.540 Yes. 1.00

00:30:50.160 Was that a term that Mao's Communist Party used as well?

00:30:54.700 No, no, no, no. 1.00

00:30:55.960 They don't tell you you're a useful idiot. 1.00

00:30:57.960 I learned this time here. 1.00

00:31:00.500 Yeah.

00:31:00.800 And that's so, that term is so descriptive what happened to all those followers, communism.

00:31:08.860 Yeah.

00:31:09.900 Hey, let me ask you a little bit more about your book, Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning.

00:31:14.740 It's available for pre-order now on Amazon.

00:31:18.020 It won't be out until this fall.

00:31:19.500 Tell me a little bit about what's in the book.

00:31:21.740 Is it your story starting in China, moving to America?

00:31:25.860 Is it an autobiography?

00:31:27.780 Is it a political warning?

00:31:29.180 Tell me a little bit about what the book is.

00:31:31.340 Yes.

00:31:32.020 I quit my job in order to write this book.

00:31:35.140 It took me a year.

00:31:36.340 It's not about biography.

00:31:37.820 It's not, it is about parallels.

00:31:44.480 Parallels of these two cultural revolutions.

00:31:48.580 It is based on my personal story, the stories of my parents, of people I know, and also based

00:31:56.860 on historical research.

00:31:59.180 So the goal is not to tell what I experienced.

00:32:03.780 Yes, some part, some is my personal story, but it's really to let people know what is going

00:32:11.260 on today is absolutely a repeat of history.

00:32:16.120 The history that they never taught, the history that they do not know.

00:32:20.460 And that is my warning to them.

00:32:24.240 It is communist.

00:32:26.360 It is Marxist cultural revolution with one goal, to destroy America.

00:32:33.580 Wow.

00:32:34.160 Well, we've been talking with Xi Van Fleet, her new book coming out this fall is Mao's

00:32:39.800 America Survivor's Warning.

00:32:41.300 I can't recommend highly enough her Twitter feed because it's personal anecdotes from Mao's

00:32:48.280 China that are so applicable today on Twitter.

00:32:51.500 You can find her at xvanfleet, X-V-A-N-F-L-E-E-T.

00:32:59.100 Xi, it's great to see you again.

00:33:00.320 Thanks very much for joining us.

00:33:01.540 And thanks, as always, for your history lesson and your warnings.

00:33:06.140 Thank you.

00:33:06.900 Thank you so much for having me on your show.

00:33:08.900 Well, it's our pleasure.

00:33:10.400 Stay with us.

00:33:11.420 More ahead.

00:33:23.520 Hey, welcome back.

00:33:24.660 Your letters to me.

00:33:26.180 Here's a letter in response to the Irish censorship law. 0.80

00:33:29.680 White Leper says, that's silly and illogical. 0.82

00:33:33.280 You can't legislate feelings.

00:33:34.620 Besides, the Constitution is designed to restrict the government so they don't become oppressive

00:33:38.700 and intrusive to ensure the common good and freedom of the people.

00:33:42.920 Well, says you.

00:33:44.960 But boy, it looks like the Irish government is set on restricting your freedoms for the

00:33:50.960 common good.

00:33:51.520 We'll see how that goes.

00:33:52.320 I'm interested in Ireland.

00:33:54.520 They're going through a lot of radical changes these days.

00:33:59.000 Cthulhu Loves You says, I'm pretty sure parents' feelings get hurt when you mentally kidnap

00:34:03.760 their children and try to lead them down a path of depression, confusion, and potential suicide.

00:34:08.220 Arrest the government.

00:34:09.160 Yeah, I think the giveaway of a lot of these transgender activities is that they're explicitly 0.99

00:34:15.760 done keeping the parents out of the loop.

00:34:19.260 Sexuality clubs at school that are kept secret from parents.

00:34:24.060 When a grown-up says, let's talk about sex, but don't tell your parents about our conversation,

00:34:28.800 that's a sign something terrible is going on.

00:34:31.000 TCZ 7742 says, these Muslims have the right to say what they are saying.

00:34:38.260 Even as a non-religious person that has no issue LGBTQ individuals, I do have issues with 1.00

00:34:44.960 bringing such sexuality teaching into primary schools.

00:34:48.820 That was the point of the protest.

00:34:50.220 It had nothing to do with the fact that Muslims came to protest.

00:34:53.280 I think you're right.

00:34:54.120 And I think that, I saw a poll the other day that support by Republicans for gay rights is falling.

00:35:02.420 How can that happen?

00:35:04.380 I think it's because the Q and the T and all those other letters are taking over the LGB. 0.74

00:35:12.480 I think that most Americans, including most Republicans, and here in Canada, most conservatives,

00:35:17.620 have accepted, tolerated, or welcomed equality for gays, including even gay marriage.

00:35:28.420 But now that those victories have been won by the gay rights movement, 0.79

00:35:33.680 to move into far more aggressive, invasive, and radical trans and queer politics is appalling, 0.96

00:35:42.620 and it proves the slippery slope arguments of the right correct.

00:35:46.120 And I think whereas before the message was tolerate and accept, now it's obey and submit,

00:35:53.540 and some of the extreme activity that's being targeted at kids, I think it is bad.

00:35:59.840 And I think that you see some gay and lesbian activists desperately opposed to the transgender, 0.88

00:36:07.260 including because the trans answer to being gay is, oh, you're in the wrong body. 0.99

00:36:12.320 We've got to cut you up, which frankly would do great harm to a large number of gays and lesbians. 1.00

00:36:19.160 What strange days we're in. 0.99

00:36:21.840 That's our show for today.

00:36:23.640 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home,

00:36:28.280 good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

00:36:30.740 present here at Rebel FPS.

00:36:38.160 We'll get to the end.

00:36:39.260 We'll get to the end.

00:36:40.220 We'll get to the end.

00:36:40.540 We'll get to the end.

00:36:41.000 We'll be right back.

00:36:42.160 We'll get to the end.

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00:36:44.380 Don't get to the end.

00:36:45.240 We'll get to the end.

00:36:46.380 We'll get to the end.

00:36:47.300 You'll get to the end.

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Rebel News Podcast - June 19, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ The United Nations threatens to 'crush' freedom of speech on the Internet

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