Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Thought police censor freedom-oriented art exhibit

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00:01:08.300 Ezra Levant, how are you, sir? 0.88

00:01:09.520 Nice to see you.

00:01:10.380 Welcome to the Censored.TV studios here in the South Bronx.

00:01:14.700 I see you're taking out your phone. Are you going to be checking it during the interview?

00:01:16.940 You know what? It's a comfort for me. I just like to touch it.

00:01:20.460 Okay, I won't do mine.

00:01:21.420 The ring is off, but if I don't see it, I'm worried.

00:01:25.000 You could be missing important messages.

00:01:28.100 How are you doing?

00:01:28.900 I'm great. It's good to be here. I normally don't recline like this.

00:01:33.340 Well, I'm going for Gore Vidal, or as Ryan calls him, Vidal Gorey, and William F. Buckley.

00:01:40.480 Nice. Yeah. Well, I appreciate that. It's great to see you again.

00:01:42.980 Teams, cheers.

00:01:43.880 Yeah, so what brings you to town?

00:01:45.180 Well, I was actually coming to town in part because of you, because you were nominated

00:01:53.400 to win a prize for a freedom-oriented comedian, and there was an art exhibit on in which you

00:02:01.280 were one of the nominees.

00:02:02.780 But they shut it down early.

00:02:04.860 So actually, I'm bitterly disappointed because, first of all, the fact that you were normalized

00:02:10.860 and platformed and given, not just tolerance, but promotion and kudos.

00:02:16.600 In New York City of all places.

00:02:17.900 Yeah, I wanted to see it.

00:02:19.620 And alas, although they were open for a month, they closed a few days early, and so we missed it.

00:02:26.100 So I deeply regret that, because who are these people who would have a serious art exhibition

00:02:32.160 at a real gallery, and who not just don't want to marginalize Gavin McInnes,

00:02:40.320 they want to celebrate him and hold him up as an example.

00:02:43.360 So you are-

00:02:43.880 Show the clip there, Jamie.

00:02:45.160 Pull that up.

00:02:45.680 They had, I mean, I like to toot my own horn, but putting me in the same category as John

00:02:50.860 Cleese and Ricky Gervais is a little ambitious, even for a megalomaniac like me.

00:02:56.380 I think you're wise to acknowledge that, but the fact that you're on the list at all is

00:03:01.740 stunning and encouraging.

00:03:06.120 I was so curious, I wanted to come down to New York to find out about it.

00:03:09.080 So Passion for Freedom, and it's a Polish group that came to being after the-

00:03:15.600 The Mohammed cartoons. 0.96

00:03:16.340 I think they're Polish.

00:03:17.120 I know they've got a charity status in the UK, so I know some of the folks there,

00:03:21.140 and I know they were interested in some of the Danish and Swedish defiers of the Mohammed

00:03:27.480 cartoon ban.

00:03:28.820 So I don't know who they are.

00:03:30.100 That's why I wanted to come down and learn more about them.

00:03:32.300 Huh.

00:03:33.380 Are they Jews?

00:03:34.700 Not that I can tell.

00:03:35.540 I was going to see how long it would take us to get to the word Jews, and I think that 0.93

00:03:38.620 was 68 seconds.

00:03:40.620 I don't think they are, but I don't know.

00:03:44.420 They nominate people from a wide variety of backgrounds.

00:03:47.720 Show the comedy things there.

00:03:49.400 We should check on that and see who wins.

00:03:51.200 That'd be funny if I beat John Cleese as a legend.

00:03:55.940 So you can see it's sort of British-focused as well.

00:03:59.080 Yeah, it's European. 0.64

00:04:00.780 Yeah.

00:04:01.120 And I'm Canada.

00:04:02.080 I'm represented as Canadian in it.

00:04:05.220 Huh.

00:04:05.440 So I had never heard of these folks until I was at another conference in town,

00:04:11.620 and they literally walked up to me, because I think they remembered that I published the

00:04:16.520 Danish cartoons of Mohammed about 15 years ago in Canada.

00:04:19.960 I think they actually...

00:04:20.680 Was that 15 years ago?

00:04:21.900 That's when I met you, or that's when I first heard of you.

00:04:24.600 Because you said my...

00:04:25.380 I know we talk about this too much, but let's have it for posterity.

00:04:28.100 You said, my favorite thing I've ever heard anyone say, and it was kind of a political

00:04:31.960 awakening for me, although 9-11 was the real catalyst. 0.96

00:04:35.540 And she was some fucking bureaucrat, and she said, what was in your mind when you published 0.99

00:04:43.300 these cartoons? 1.00

00:04:44.980 And I didn't know you.

00:04:46.540 I was watching it on YouTube, I guess.

00:04:48.440 And you said, that's an interesting question.

00:04:51.520 If you were one of my friends asking this, or a family member, I'd be happy to get into

00:04:57.220 that.

00:04:57.580 But you're the government, and it's none of your business.

00:05:00.080 It's none of your business what my motive was.

00:05:06.340 And that's sort of the roots of the absurdity of hate crime legislation, where if you beat 0.99

00:05:11.260 someone up, and you say faggot, then it's a different crime. 0.99

00:05:16.400 You're right. 0.99

00:05:17.000 And I thought about that a lot, because I had been interviewed...

00:05:20.020 We were the only people in Canada that published the Danish cartoons of Mohammed.

00:05:23.260 There was some student newspaper, but they quickly had their publication seized and destroyed.

00:05:27.860 And a little Jewish newspaper, and they groveled an apology. 0.75

00:05:32.340 But we leaned into it.

00:05:34.840 And I probably did a hundred interviews.

00:05:38.060 And obviously, the first question every journalist asked was, why did you publish them?

00:05:42.680 It's a good question.

00:05:44.160 And I know what my answer was, because they're the central artifact of the story of the day.

00:05:49.900 There's these cartoons published in Europe that, to me, look sort of banal, but are...

00:05:56.920 They were very...

00:05:57.560 But maybe you could pull some of those up.

00:05:59.180 They were pretty subtle. 0.99

00:06:01.700 Although, I think that some of them got bastardized by Muslims who added, like, Mohammed fucking a 1.00

00:06:06.960 pig and stuff. 1.00

00:06:08.340 Yeah. 0.71

00:06:08.380 Because the original 12 were not that salacious, they doctored it.

00:06:13.220 They added two more.

00:06:14.100 One of them was exactly what you described.

00:06:15.840 Still, no riots.

00:06:17.320 I mean, look, they actually published one of these cartoons in a newspaper in Egypt as news.

00:06:24.660 There were no riots over it.

00:06:26.720 The riots were in Damascus, Syria, and Tehran, places where there are not free assembly, free politics.

00:06:34.260 These were staged.

00:06:36.500 And I don't know if you remember, but back then, they had just assassinated...

00:06:40.620 Syria had just assassinated the prime minister of Lebanon or something.

00:06:46.240 So this was to distract.

00:06:48.120 And it was a whole orchestrated, manufactured rage at the West.

00:06:53.780 And the West failed the test.

00:06:55.720 Instead of everyone publishing and saying, I'm Spartacus.

00:06:58.540 No, I'm Spartacus.

00:06:59.540 Because if every newspaper in the West had published them, first of all, you would have

00:07:03.420 taken the air out of the balloon because you could see, well, those are sort of boring

00:07:06.220 cartoons, nothing more rambunctious than you'd see on a given day in the newspaper.

00:07:09.960 I don't want to abandon this topic, but it reminds me of that North Korean parody film

00:07:15.240 with, what's his name, James Franco.

00:07:18.080 Right, right, right.

00:07:18.640 And there was an email that may have come from Kim Jong-un, but we have no verification.

00:07:26.000 And he said, if you play that movie, I'm going to, I don't know, blow up the movie theaters.

00:07:29.540 And what did we do?

00:07:31.100 We instantly capitulated.

00:07:32.560 We banned the movie.

00:07:34.160 It was, I think it was available on demand.

00:07:36.060 And if it was a real country, we would have had the National Guard there defending every

00:07:42.760 single theater and making that the hill to die on.

00:07:46.060 I keep repeating this, that it's the minutia of pop culture that needs to be defended just

00:07:51.220 as much as abortion or free speech.

00:07:53.760 It's, you know, if they want to ban Beavis and Butthead, go to war over that.

00:07:57.980 Like, that's a hill to die on.

00:07:59.540 Well, let me tell you how much things have changed, because that cartoon came out in

00:08:03.020 late 2005.

00:08:04.600 I republished it in 2006, so almost 20 years ago.

00:08:10.360 A real pollster in Canada called Compass did a survey of working journalists.

00:08:16.040 So it wasn't just a random poll.

00:08:17.660 They called journalists the newsrooms.

00:08:19.020 And 70% of Canadian journalists said, not only should I have published it, every news outlet

00:08:27.820 in Canada should have published it.

00:08:29.400 Wow.

00:08:30.720 70%.

00:08:31.160 Anonymously on the phone, they've got the hubris.

00:08:34.580 I don't disbelieve them, because in Canada, you had such media concentration.

00:08:38.900 You have three TV stations and three newspaper companies, really.

00:08:42.120 So five guys in Toronto made a risk management decision.

00:08:45.360 I talked to one of the bosses at the National Post, which is the most right-leaning newspaper

00:08:50.100 in Canada.

00:08:51.120 And I said, this is up your alley.

00:08:52.500 Why wouldn't you lean into this?

00:08:53.500 You're a skeptic of radical Islam.

00:08:56.720 You're freedom-oriented.

00:08:57.880 Why didn't you do this?

00:08:59.540 And their answer was very honest.

00:09:01.160 It was, we have 13 offices around the country.

00:09:05.000 The security bill would be a million dollars.

00:09:08.240 We made a decision that editorially publishing this story is not worth a million dollars.

00:09:12.560 In their defense, it is a high level of bravery, as we learned with Charlie Hebdo, who were literally

00:09:19.520 murdered.

00:09:20.740 And I have no problem with them saying that.

00:09:23.500 We're scared.

00:09:25.400 But so many of them said, no, it's offensive, or it's not newsworthy, or it's salacious,

00:09:33.240 or it's obscene, because they wouldn't confess that they were afraid.

00:09:38.040 Why not say the honest answer, which is what I just told you?

00:09:41.440 Why lie about it?

00:09:43.540 And so that was 18 years ago.

00:09:45.680 I put it to you that if you were to survey people in Canada today, or the United States,

00:09:49.700 working journalists, should you be able to publish something that,

00:09:53.500 caricatures the Muslim prophet Mohammed? 0.59

00:09:56.460 I'm sure 70% would say, prosecute for a hate crime.

00:10:00.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:01.840 And that's in a pretty short amount of time.

00:10:03.600 I did 100 interviews.

00:10:05.000 Only one.

00:10:05.920 I remember only one journalist was against me.

00:10:09.100 And journalists in general are left wing, and I'm right wing.

00:10:12.280 That's how free speechy the world was less than 20 years ago.

00:10:15.680 I was saying to people the other day that, I was saying to Alex Jones, actually,

00:10:19.640 that I think the trucker convoy empowered working class tradespeople.

00:10:24.240 And I believe the reason we're seeing these farmers in the Netherlands and France and Spain

00:10:28.360 stand up to this bizarre, I don't want to call it a genocide,

00:10:32.640 but this bizarre eradication of farming of all things.

00:10:36.420 You know what?

00:10:37.240 And I think they're empowered by the truckers, which you have a lot to do with.

00:10:40.380 I don't want to take too much credit for that.

00:10:42.520 I was an observer and a storyteller.

00:10:44.280 But you got the word out, yeah.

00:10:45.620 That was our role.

00:10:47.000 And it's because the regime media made a void.

00:10:52.100 They wouldn't come out of their offices.

00:10:53.960 I swear to God, they said they were scared to talk to the truckers.

00:10:57.860 I need a bodyguard.

00:10:59.660 Honk honk means Heil Hitler. 0.83

00:11:01.280 I swear to God.

00:11:02.040 So we went out there, and citizen journalists, in our whole shop,

00:11:06.780 I think only one guy has a journalism degree,

00:11:09.000 our rule is just hold the phone sideways and shoot.

00:11:11.360 And in the month of February 2022, when the truckers were in Ottawa,

00:11:16.220 we had 400 million views and impressions, which was like a year's worth for us.

00:11:22.440 But you talk about the media being scared.

00:11:24.280 Your journalists were attacked.

00:11:25.600 That French chick got attacked by cops, right? 1.00

00:11:27.800 There was one shooting during the whole convoy.

00:11:32.260 And it was a Mountie, an RCMP officer, shooting our reporter, Alexa Lavoie, with a riot gun.

00:11:39.620 And I don't believe it's a coincidence that in the entire convoy,

00:11:46.300 the one shooting was a cop shooting our reporter at point-blank range with a riot gun.

00:11:51.920 And we're suing the cops over that.

00:11:55.900 We've got their disclosure.

00:11:57.580 We have the rules for the use of this riot gun.

00:12:00.200 It was used improperly.

00:12:02.380 You don't shoot the riot gun at a person.

00:12:05.080 The second thing is the standing orders did not call for it to be used at all at that point.

00:12:10.060 How do you shoot?

00:12:11.100 You shoot it into the sky?

00:12:13.560 Like into an area.

00:12:15.080 You don't aim it at a person.

00:12:15.960 Oh, I see.

00:12:16.560 I see. 0.98

00:12:16.960 You shoot it at a crowd. 0.71

00:12:18.280 Yeah.

00:12:18.880 And it was misused.

00:12:21.840 But we saw all these notes.

00:12:23.880 Like we got all the police notes.

00:12:26.020 And the cops were all over Ottawa that day because of the convoy.

00:12:29.640 And they helped this person with a heart attack, helped this person who slipped on the ice.

00:12:33.920 Like it was just what the cops were doing.

00:12:36.340 So they're giving first aid just around town. 0.78

00:12:39.180 They shoot a lady in the leg.

00:12:41.760 And they don't give her help.

00:12:43.760 They knew who she was.

00:12:46.780 They shot her illegally with an illegal use of a gun.

00:12:52.300 And then they leave her there.

00:12:54.440 They leave her there. 0.91

00:12:55.740 What is it, like little pepper pellets?

00:12:57.720 It was the wadding.

00:13:00.040 It was a tear gas canister.

00:13:03.060 And the wadding hit her.

00:13:05.260 Oh, and they hit her with sticks also. 1.00

00:13:07.580 Our reporters have been...

00:13:09.700 That was the only time our reporters have been shot.

00:13:11.800 They've been beat up.

00:13:12.740 They've been jailed.

00:13:13.860 Menzies, I've seen them, yeah. 0.59

00:13:14.840 David Menzies has been arrested four times in 2024.

00:13:18.560 Four times.

00:13:19.320 Amazing.

00:13:20.020 And one of them, 14 million views on Twitter.

00:13:24.920 No one would believe it if it weren't on tape.

00:13:27.000 Our guy has his badge that says Rebel News Report.

00:13:30.800 He's got a microphone.

00:13:31.620 And he's asking our deputy prime minister a question in the public interest, on a public

00:13:36.620 street, at a public place.

00:13:37.920 I remember this, yeah.

00:13:39.520 And he just...

00:13:40.240 It was about banning some Iranian terrorist group.

00:13:44.580 He asked the question once, twice.

00:13:46.740 He's sort of crab walking sort of backwards.

00:13:49.260 He's not in her way.

00:13:50.060 He's not aggressive.

00:13:50.820 He's not threatening her.

00:13:51.580 He's not touching her.

00:13:52.320 He's not blocking her.

00:13:53.080 A cop runs up, positions himself in Menzies' way. 0.99

00:13:58.580 Because remember, he's sort of walking sideways backwards.

00:14:01.680 Menzies gently brushes up against him.

00:14:04.380 The cop instantly says, you assaulted me.

00:14:07.780 You're under arrest.

00:14:09.380 And Menzies, what? 0.97

00:14:11.400 I don't even think Menzies felt him. 1.00

00:14:12.960 He brushed again.

00:14:13.500 But the guy moved in the way.

00:14:14.840 And then they slam Menzies up against the wall. 0.99

00:14:17.880 They handcuff his hands behind him.

00:14:20.660 They humiliate him.

00:14:22.820 And only later...

00:14:23.820 But they do release him later when they realize we had the whole thing on tape.

00:14:28.040 But the most incredible thing was how the cops instantly and naturally fell into this

00:14:34.660 gaslighting lie.

00:14:35.780 Oh, you assaulted us.

00:14:36.840 You were very aggressive.

00:14:37.840 Meanwhile, there it is.

00:14:38.840 There's cameras everywhere.

00:14:40.120 Yeah, you can see.

00:14:42.380 Isn't she strangely hot, that deputy prime minister? 1.00

00:14:44.960 Oh, my God.

00:14:45.740 Change your glasses prescription.

00:14:47.880 I mean, I'm not one to talk...

00:14:49.280 She's got incredible sex appeal. 1.00

00:14:50.480 Oh, I have never heard that in nine years.

00:14:53.580 I think she was...

00:14:54.340 I sense she was a goer in college.

00:14:56.740 I sense it.

00:14:58.340 Look, I'm not here to...

00:15:00.200 Rating gals on the hotness meter is more your gig than mine. 1.00

00:15:04.060 But I have never...

00:15:06.280 You know what?

00:15:07.140 It's the high heels and the short skirts. 1.00

00:15:08.040 Hey, Ryan, can you call up toenail clipping Chrystia Freeland?

00:15:12.040 She literally, in the parliament, starts clipping her toenails.

00:15:16.620 Can you do...

00:15:17.420 I want to disabuse Gavin McInnes.

00:15:20.740 I want him to, quote, relax.

00:15:23.280 I'm already kind of on the way out, just hearing the description.

00:15:25.980 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:26.860 I want to...

00:15:27.540 Let's show the toenail clipping and then pull skirt out of bum. 1.00

00:15:31.120 Also, I want to save Gavin.

00:15:36.480 How?

00:15:37.260 It's a still image of...

00:15:39.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:40.880 A little toenail clipping going on.

00:15:42.220 And look at the guy next to her, check it out.

00:15:43.400 Yeah.

00:15:43.840 Oh, yeah.

00:15:44.300 That's the Justice Minister. 1.00

00:15:44.920 That's mental illness. 1.00

00:15:46.100 That's a level of non-self-awareness that is mentally ill. 0.67

00:15:50.820 You know, I just...

00:15:51.800 I got to save you from this because I...

00:15:54.900 Guess what?

00:15:55.500 Done.

00:15:56.780 Ryan, we have to just double this, just double-check this one.

00:16:03.060 Can you please...

00:16:04.320 Because now I was here, now I'm at zero, so now I'm going to be negative 10.

00:16:08.440 Can you go...

00:16:09.140 Can you Google Chrystia Freeland Twitchy?

00:16:14.860 Twitchy.

00:16:15.360 Just put that in on X.

00:16:16.660 Oh, I think I've seen that.

00:16:17.540 She's doing that thing that Angela Merkel... 1.00

00:16:20.020 Remember Angela Merkel was going crazy?

00:16:22.120 I'm trying to de-hornify you here.

00:16:26.240 I think a lot of these women, they don't really belong in the workforce, like AOC. 1.00

00:16:29.980 And they do Adderall to keep up with the big boys.

00:16:33.280 And that's why you see AOC just like this, ranting non-stop.

00:16:37.020 And Angela Merkel doing the humming-a-humming and the hound dog.

00:16:40.800 That's crazy.

00:16:41.680 Yeah.

00:16:42.280 Well, I don't know about that one.

00:16:47.460 I mean, having a stool, I'm not going to criticize someone for being short.

00:16:51.080 But she's just the most awkward, most bizarre, most inauthentic, fakest... 1.00

00:16:56.880 What does that position do? 0.51

00:16:57.960 It's in case the prime minister gets shot?

00:16:59.440 And he's also finance minister, which is a real thing.

00:17:02.440 I want to tell you, her grandfather...

00:17:08.080 Yeah, that's Adderall.

00:17:12.920 Now, this is sort of funny, but there's some even, like...

00:17:18.720 Her grandfather was a real-life Nazi who stole a newspaper from a Jew... 0.67

00:17:28.600 Oh, yeah, I looked that up.

00:17:29.120 ...and turned it into a Nazi propaganda newspaper.

00:17:32.620 And I'm not...

00:17:33.720 I don't think a granddaughter should be punished for the sins of the grandfather.

00:17:37.820 Not at all.

00:17:38.280 But she really worked hard to cover that up.

00:17:42.580 And yet, she just can't stop hanging out with Nazis, either the neo-variety or the paleo-variety. 0.78

00:17:50.700 I don't...

00:17:51.160 Listen, we didn't come here to talk about Christian Freeland. 0.91

00:17:53.180 Now I'm back to horny again. 0.92

00:17:54.640 You made her cool. 0.83

00:17:57.000 You just disabused your disabuse.

00:18:00.760 You know, I wish...

00:18:01.900 Vladimir Zelensky...

00:18:03.320 That's the one you were talking about.

00:18:04.580 Yeah.

00:18:05.380 Yeah.

00:18:07.100 I mean, it's...

00:18:08.560 So there's your dream date.

00:18:10.420 There's your guilt.

00:18:15.560 Vladimir Zelensky, the Ukrainian president...

00:18:18.580 Yes, I'm familiar.

00:18:18.760 ...came to Canada.

00:18:20.540 And so it was a big deal.

00:18:24.300 All parliament met.

00:18:25.160 Everyone was very excited.

00:18:26.320 Everyone was in there.

00:18:27.100 It felt like a State of the Union.

00:18:28.180 Everyone was on their best behavior.

00:18:29.780 The Speaker of the House introduced special guests.

00:18:31.580 And then he announced...

00:18:33.420 He introduces a very old man in the gallery and says,

00:18:36.000 This is Yaroslav Hanka.

00:18:38.000 That's his name.

00:18:39.380 Who was in the first Galician division or something in World War II.

00:18:47.700 Fighting against the Russians.

00:18:51.160 Because remember, we're trying to be mad at Putin and mad at Russia.

00:18:54.820 And Vladimir Zelensky's there.

00:18:56.120 We're trying to prove how anti-Russian we are. 0.73

00:18:57.980 And I was watching this live.

00:19:01.320 I think a lot of people were.

00:19:02.560 And so you're introducing a guy who's in his 90s, who fought in Ukraine in the Second World War, okay, against Russia.

00:19:14.340 Whose team would he be on?

00:19:17.220 But didn't we flip with Russia in World War II? 0.88

00:19:21.160 At the very, very beginning?

00:19:22.400 Yes, they signed...

00:19:23.320 Yeah, Russia...

00:19:24.360 Actually, they flipped with Germany.

00:19:26.300 They were in an alliance, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact or something.

00:19:31.140 They carved up Poland together. 1.00

00:19:33.580 But it was an...

00:19:35.100 That Yaroslav Hanka was a Nazi SS officer, as anyone who Googled that first Galician division could find out.

00:19:43.580 You know, you reminded me of your assessment many years ago about liberal Jews, secular Jews, and how they're Bolsheviks. 0.73

00:19:55.880 Bolsheviks were a group that lied about their numbers, manipulated the media with propaganda. 0.99

00:20:02.680 And their only objective was to win. 1.00

00:20:06.160 Kill my mother. 1.00

00:20:07.000 I don't care about anything. 1.00

00:20:07.860 And when I see liberals, Jews who are against Israel, I'm reminded of the Bolshevik analogy.

00:20:14.440 And when you see Jon Stewart on stage giving a Nazi a trophy, and sure, he was not told that guy was a Nazi.

00:20:22.060 It's not that simple.

00:20:23.040 The point is, they're incurious about it because it fits the agenda.

00:20:26.600 And I've seen articles, liberal articles, talking about, well, it's complicated with Ukraine.

00:20:34.640 And so they call Trump a Nazi until that's inconvenient.

00:20:39.280 And then when they meet actual Nazis, they throw it in the toilet and flush because it's about winning. 0.52

00:20:46.780 You know, I really follow Dr. James Lindsay closely these days.

00:20:50.700 And I try and learn his vocabulary about communism.

00:20:53.640 And Xi Van Fleet, who's a Chinese-American woman who grew up under the Cultural Revolution of Mao Zedong.

00:21:03.800 And Dr. Lindsay always says, the issue is not the issue.

00:21:08.120 The revolution is the issue.

00:21:09.660 So that helped me understand queers for Palestine. 0.99

00:21:13.420 Exactly.

00:21:14.280 They don't actually plan to go to Palestine.

00:21:16.660 They're not actually thinking about any details.

00:21:18.860 They don't care other than Palestine, Gaza, Hamas is against America, want to tear down America. 0.91

00:21:25.700 So they're for that.

00:21:27.020 Next week, they'll be for Greta Thunberg tearing down oil and gas. 1.00

00:21:31.500 Next week, they'll be for, you know, packing the Supreme Court.

00:21:35.000 Whatever it is, the revolution is the issue.

00:21:37.200 During the 70s and 80s, they were the disarmament vanguard in the West to unilaterally disarm the West for the Soviets to win.

00:21:45.040 They were the people who would be against, I mean, whoever America's enemy is, they're for it.

00:21:52.080 And you and I have been smeared as anti-Semitic, which is insane in my case because I'm actually Jewish.

00:22:00.760 And I think that you're an equal opportunity, you know, kidder, jokester, poker funner at.

00:22:06.760 And as you, I mean, you've been to Israel, and I think you're generally as sympathetic to it as you would be towards any other democracy.

00:22:16.320 But all these people who said, you're a Nazi, I'm a Nazi, whatever, we have actual Nazis running around now.

00:22:25.040 And you don't care.

00:22:26.940 They don't care, I mean.

00:22:27.880 Not only do they not care, they actively Photoshop that out of the picture mentally.

00:22:33.400 They actively make explanations or the context for it.

00:22:37.280 When the president of MIT and Harvard and Penn appeared before Congress and they were asked, you know, if people say kill the Jews or whatever, is that considered harassment on campus?

00:22:49.420 I forget the exact question.

00:22:50.340 Well, it depends on the context.

00:22:53.400 Was that the kind of fine nuance they would apply to the Proud Boys or to Donald Trump?

00:22:57.880 Or me doing a talk at Penn State where I needed a police escort to leave as 500 people were calling for my head.

00:23:05.220 They never believed any of it.

00:23:07.320 All these anti-bullying people, you call yourself an anti-bully so that you preempt people from saying, hey, you're being rather bullying.

00:23:17.020 No, no, no, no.

00:23:17.520 I already told you I'm the anti-bully.

00:23:19.080 And I think all wokeness is, is re-Christening bullying as something untouchable for the bullies. 0.64

00:23:29.600 And again, back to James Lindsay, it's all about the Marxist pattern.

00:23:35.620 Marx talked about the working class and the capitalists.

00:23:38.580 Okay, use that same paradigm with feminism. 1.00

00:23:41.760 Women are oppressed by men. 0.97

00:23:44.260 Okay, let's use it in race now. 1.00

00:23:46.100 Black people are oppressed by white people. 0.98

00:23:47.820 That oppressor-oppression matrix is what wokeism is. 1.00

00:23:53.960 And that's why they hate America. 0.99

00:23:57.000 That's why they hate white people. 1.00

00:23:58.720 That's why they've decided now that Jews are white. 0.99

00:24:01.280 Are Jews white or not? 0.94

00:24:02.500 Well, some of them actually are minorities, you know, racially. 0.99

00:24:06.280 But the woke world has decided that Jews are white or white enough because they're the oppressor. 0.95

00:24:13.460 Will you concede that there is a golem element here where secular Jews are disproportionately responsible? 0.94

00:24:21.640 Absolutely.

00:24:22.380 Where was I the other day?

00:24:23.640 I was in Toronto where a Jewish girls' school, a truck pulls up at night, two guys get out, unload five rounds into the school and speed away.

00:24:35.100 Now, it's late at night, so there's no one in there.

00:24:37.980 But that's a hell of a thing.

00:24:39.380 Yeah.

00:24:40.960 It's not far from my house.

00:24:42.240 So I go.

00:24:42.680 There's a community rally there a couple days later.

00:24:45.440 I go there.

00:24:46.380 When was this exactly?

00:24:47.580 The shooting was last Saturday morning.

00:24:49.980 Right.

00:24:50.220 The community rally was Monday. 0.94

00:24:52.060 Because we just had one on the front page of the Post today, this is Thursday, talking about I hate Jews. 0.59

00:24:59.280 He was going in. 0.95

00:25:00.620 Was he trying to run them over?

00:25:03.880 Let me close the loop.

00:25:04.900 You talked about the golem. 0.98

00:25:05.840 That would be like this Frankenstein creation that comes to life.

00:25:10.720 Yeah.

00:25:10.920 To be clear, golem is the Jews feel they're being oppressed, so they create a monster to defend them. 1.00

00:25:16.400 And then the monster turns on them.

00:25:17.820 So there I am in front of this girls' school.

00:25:21.960 They have plywood over the window because they haven't replaced the window from the shooting yet.

00:25:25.580 There's police everywhere.

00:25:26.740 There's security guards everywhere.

00:25:27.740 It's a crisis.

00:25:28.780 The mayor is there.

00:25:30.080 Three provincial cabinet ministers are there.

00:25:32.560 Everyone is there to say, this is terrible.

00:25:35.300 There's a bunch of Jews there. 0.98

00:25:37.080 And I just do streeters.

00:25:39.100 And one of my questions I always ask Jews is, how do you feel about open borders, immigration?

00:25:45.300 You still like that?

00:25:46.200 Oh, this isn't related at all.

00:25:47.820 Or maybe should we have net zero immigration?

00:25:51.060 You're crowbarring a different subject.

00:25:53.360 And then I get specific.

00:25:54.540 They say, oh, how about from Gaza?

00:25:56.940 Because Trudeau said he's going to take thousands of people from Gaza.

00:26:00.100 Oh, well, that's an ulterior agenda.

00:26:04.360 And I thought to myself, and I said this to them, and I heard that again and again.

00:26:09.620 They just shot up a Jewish girls' school.

00:26:12.260 And you're good enough to be here. 0.94

00:26:14.540 You're mad enough to be here.

00:26:15.860 You're politically engaged enough and thoughtful enough to be here, to get up early and come here to a rally.

00:26:20.500 So you're not normal.

00:26:22.220 You're a Jew whose political meter is revving when most everyone's going to work or just doing whatever. 1.00

00:26:29.200 And even you can't bring yourself now to say, let's have a pause on immigration.

00:26:35.700 You can't do that yet.

00:26:37.360 It's too essential.

00:26:38.140 The most you could hope for is less DEI in college admissions.

00:26:44.240 That's the most we've got.

00:26:45.500 And by the way, Jews do not benefit by DEI.

00:26:49.180 Right. 0.56

00:26:49.500 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:49.900 I mean, go to Asians. 1.00

00:26:51.560 No, I mean, that's...

00:26:52.840 I wanted this whole told you so moment because, you know, five years ago, let's call them secular liberal Jews. 0.90

00:26:59.940 They're pointing at me in my MAGA hat and they're going, you're a Nazi. 0.99

00:27:02.560 And the impetus for that is this dumb notion. 0.98

00:27:06.340 I remember talking about this with Sheila and Faith when we were in Israel. 0.91

00:27:08.780 And they're like, what are you talking about?

00:27:10.640 There's this notion that Hitler was obsessed with strong, handsome, strong-chinned, blonde Aryans. 0.87

00:27:17.380 And if you don't attack that particular group and make that group ashamed of itself, it's going to grow and start the Fourth Reich and there'll be World War III and then the Jews will be exterminated again. 0.89

00:27:28.460 So when you see someone like Trump, a blonde guy, being proud of himself and not being ashamed, you just have to quell that.

00:27:34.700 That's the impetus behind the Proud Boys. 0.56

00:27:36.340 We can't let white, blonde men... 1.00

00:27:38.920 And they hate that archetype.

00:27:40.640 And I go, that archetype doesn't hate you.

00:27:43.840 You got it wrong.

00:27:44.820 I don't know where you got this from.

00:27:46.640 Hitler had brown hair. 0.95

00:27:48.360 But this fear of, like, white males being proud of themselves and it leading to World War IV.

00:27:53.440 You're talking about people who are pro-Israel, like Trump, who moves the...

00:27:57.900 And so while they're doing that and they're pursuing that silly tangent, they're also telling our kids to hate America via Marxism.

00:28:05.640 And they're also opening the borders to people who hate us.

00:28:09.260 And so they're mad at the red hats while encouraging these two groups.

00:28:13.180 And then I would offer a third thing, pushing this Marxism, you know, across the country, across the West of oppressor oppressed.

00:28:21.740 And you're going to be seen as the oppressor. 1.00

00:28:25.560 So I was vindicated these past few weeks with them saying, fuck white people, fuck Jews. 1.00

00:28:34.360 But there's no, I told you so. 1.00

00:28:36.580 There's no, sorry, Gavin.

00:28:38.160 When I was a kid, maybe even in my teens, oh, you loved hearing I told you.

00:28:44.500 You loved saying, I told you so.

00:28:47.400 I'm right.

00:28:49.660 I'm slightly smarter than you.

00:28:51.640 I can see slightly further into the future than you.

00:28:53.800 I told you so.

00:28:55.000 I have not enjoyed saying I told you so in 30 years.

00:28:58.300 Because when you're a pessimist, when you see the problem and when you're a Cassandra shouting your warning into the wind and no one listens, I told you so is the worst thing.

00:29:07.720 I wish I could say, you're right. 0.87

00:29:10.920 Mega are Nazis.

00:29:12.220 You told me.

00:29:12.640 Open borders are perfectly safe.

00:29:14.540 Marxism is a great idea.

00:29:15.960 It really is getting worse and worse.

00:29:20.660 And it's hard to look for places to find encouragement.

00:29:25.420 The world is getting darker.

00:29:26.980 And remember that peace and prosperity, if you look over the sweep of history, that's the anomaly.

00:29:32.560 The Pax Americana, the mutually assured destruction of the Soviet bloc and NATO, freezing much of the world. 0.78

00:29:39.980 That was wonderful.

00:29:41.820 And that is gone.

00:29:42.940 And here's China and here's Islam. 0.97

00:29:45.940 But they're not abroad anymore.

00:29:48.440 They're right here.

00:29:49.280 They're right in our house.

00:29:51.240 And I just was in Ireland a few weeks ago.

00:29:54.520 I was only there for a day.

00:29:56.080 But the Irish never oppressed anyone.

00:29:59.320 They weren't an empire.

00:30:00.920 They didn't colonize anyone.

00:30:02.560 In fact, Ireland was beset.

00:30:05.660 It was, whether it was the Brits or the Muslim pirates who came up. 1.00

00:30:09.840 For example, there's a little village of Baltimore where the entire population. 0.98

00:30:13.560 They emptied the entire Irish town of Baltimore, took all the women, and made them sex slaves in the Middle East. 0.98

00:30:19.740 That's why we eventually had to get the Marines pre-America. 0.52

00:30:22.660 From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli.

00:30:26.520 What are the Marines doing on the shores of Tripoli?

00:30:29.960 Protecting our women.

00:30:30.900 The pirates.

00:30:31.580 The pirates.

00:30:32.320 Yeah.

00:30:32.500 So, I get back to Ireland.

00:30:35.940 And I'm not taking sides to Ireland, UK, whatever.

00:30:38.100 I don't know my history there.

00:30:39.040 But Ireland has never been an imperial power.

00:30:41.260 It's never been an oppressor.

00:30:42.600 Ireland never went.

00:30:43.500 They were slaves.

00:30:44.100 They were the slaves.

00:30:45.140 They weren't slavers.

00:30:47.300 And so, all this, they're the indigenous people of Ireland.

00:30:52.360 Yeah.

00:30:52.720 To borrow a phrase.

00:30:53.320 So, I was there at this anti-immigration march, and I see posters like, Ireland for the Irish.

00:31:01.920 Irish lives matter.

00:31:04.180 Now, you say that in America or Canada.

00:31:07.000 Oh, you're appropriating that language.

00:31:09.180 No, but they are the indigenous people.

00:31:10.720 They are the Indians.

00:31:11.960 Yeah.

00:31:12.600 Yeah.

00:31:12.840 They are the, what blacks were in Africa, what the indigenous people were, what the Indians were in Mesoamerica.

00:31:19.980 There was no Indians in Ireland before the whites got there.

00:31:23.560 So, what hammer do you have to hammer these people with?

00:31:29.420 And Ireland's only about 5 million people.

00:31:31.660 There's far more Irish around the world than in Ireland itself.

00:31:33.860 Right, yeah.

00:31:34.440 But for some weird reason, Ireland has been chosen as this place where, let's flip the light switch on and just change it.

00:31:44.020 Well, I can tell you what it is.

00:31:45.240 It's underdog culture. 0.99

00:31:46.480 And globally in the West, there is this obsession with the big guy sucks. 0.97

00:31:54.500 And Canadians are experts at it with America. 0.98

00:31:57.440 You know, I always described Canadians as Elvis's brother.

00:32:00.380 And when you say, so, what are you about?

00:32:02.020 And they go, well, I don't wear blue suede shoes.

00:32:04.980 And I didn't lose my hound dog.

00:32:08.460 And you're like, yeah, yeah, I get it.

00:32:09.720 You're not Elvis.

00:32:10.400 But what are you about? 0.96

00:32:11.280 Like every, in high school, every essay we would write about what it means to be a Canadian, it was always like, I'm not a fat pig.

00:32:17.460 I'm not an evangelist. 0.91

00:32:18.740 I'm not in the KKK like Americans. 0.95

00:32:21.460 And you see that with Ireland.

00:32:23.240 Yeah, try defining Canada without referring to the United States.

00:32:25.640 Go.

00:32:26.400 Yeah. 0.59

00:32:27.020 Putin, hosers, lumberjack. 1.00

00:32:30.780 Yeah, you can do it.

00:32:31.360 But it takes away all the self-righteousness.

00:32:34.020 Right, yeah, yeah.

00:32:34.860 And I went to a thing in Niagara Falls, and it was a Canadian-themed night, and they would wear like flannel and surf poutine.

00:32:43.240 And it was in America, but it was Canadian-themed.

00:32:45.740 And everything they would do all night was like, did you know that Miley Cyrus's producer was from Nova Scotia?

00:32:54.780 And you're like, that's our claim to fame?

00:32:57.140 That some big contributors to American culture happened to be born in Canada?

00:33:00.700 But you see that in Ireland with the English, and Ireland with America.

00:33:06.280 Ireland hates Trump, and they have no idea why.

00:33:09.500 You see it in Scotland with England, and you go to a Celtics game in Glasgow, a soccer game.

00:33:16.940 Massive Palestinian flags for as long as I can remember.

00:33:20.020 And they have zero interest in Israel and Palestine.

00:33:22.360 It's the underdog thing.

00:33:23.660 I think you're right.

00:33:24.240 And, however, it's interesting because, I mean, I don't know my Irish politics well.

00:33:29.760 I didn't see a single Palestinian flag in the anti-immigration march, obviously.

00:33:35.000 But there was a counter-protest.

00:33:37.920 In fact, one of the Game of Thrones actors was there.

00:33:40.300 I forget his name.

00:33:41.200 It was a small counter-protest.

00:33:42.780 I didn't see a single Irish flag amongst them.

00:33:46.180 And Sinn Féin, which was sort of the political wing of the IRA in the past,

00:33:50.740 Sinn Féin is now a left-wing...

00:33:52.640 Open borders thing, yeah.

00:33:53.880 Well, and that's the thing.

00:33:55.040 So Sinn Féin criticized this anti-immigration march.

00:33:58.660 I'd never heard this before.

00:33:59.960 You know, how would we criticize Gavin McInnes? 0.99

00:34:02.080 Oh, you're a racist, transphobe, blah, blah, blah. 0.99

00:34:05.420 Just generic insults. 1.00

00:34:07.440 What are the generic insults in Ireland, apparently?

00:34:10.340 Oh, this was whipped up by British intelligence.

00:34:14.480 MI5 did this.

00:34:16.100 What?

00:34:17.200 I mean, I didn't...

00:34:18.080 That's a pretty obscure generic insult to give to a conservative.

00:34:22.660 But I was thinking, hang on, Sinn Féin, you guys, like, really fought hard to get the Brits out, didn't you?

00:34:27.820 Yeah, those were immigrants.

00:34:29.220 Those English were immigrants.

00:34:30.460 Yeah, so Sinn Féin is all about Ireland for the Irish, but now you want hundreds of thousands.

00:34:36.380 Well, it goes back to the Bolshevism. 0.71

00:34:37.720 I thought you were the Sinn Féin.

00:34:39.000 It goes back to the Bolsheviks. 0.86

00:34:40.520 I don't really care about the thing.

00:34:42.120 It's the revolution that's the issue.

00:34:44.560 Anyway, Ireland is very interesting and very, very hopeful to me, what I saw there, even though I was there very briefly.

00:34:51.080 There's a lot of talk about a tipping point, and I'm talking about the past few months.

00:34:54.800 I see it, and you mentioned the Dutch farmers.

00:35:02.040 The Netherlands had a landslide election recently where the Farmers Party, which came out of those protests, now has seats in the parliament.

00:35:13.100 Kurt Wilders, the...

00:35:14.520 Who has been a pariah since I've known you.

00:35:16.580 Now he's part of the governing coalition.

00:35:19.360 He's not the prime minister, but he's the largest part of the governing coalition.

00:35:22.680 And perhaps more importantly, he's not a pariah anymore.

00:35:25.640 He's a legitimate politician.

00:35:27.940 Yeah, I mean, obviously, politicians in the West will still treat him as a pariah, as they did Jair Bolsonaro from Brazil, as they, in a way, did to Trump.

00:35:40.040 But I see things moving back.

00:35:42.660 I mean, obviously, in Hungary, Viktor Orban keeps getting re-elected, and that country is quite something to see.

00:35:51.100 And it's very bold and frank about no immigration.

00:35:54.840 Poland, unfortunately, a more left-wing, woke party has won election there.

00:36:01.160 But I think Europe is very interesting to see.

00:36:03.960 Well, you've really got to keep checking in on this.

00:36:06.060 The last time I checked in on Poland, they had great immigration policies and said we did not let in one illegal, one Muslim. 1.00

00:36:12.840 You know what, I'm not an expert in Poland, but I find there's some strands of hope in Europe.

00:36:21.020 But the United Kingdom is about to elect its most disastrous government, I don't know since when.

00:36:28.700 And I'm terrified the British Conservatives brought it upon themselves, standing for nothing, running an AI candidate, Rishi Sunak, stands for nothing, the most inauthentic man alive. 0.99

00:36:38.900 You know what, in Canada, the Conservative Party, led by Pierre Polyev, is leading the polls for young people.

00:36:47.940 Conservative Party leading?

00:36:50.140 Like in first?

00:36:51.320 Yes.

00:36:52.060 It actually has a, both men and women favor the Conservatives.

00:36:56.880 Like there's no gender gap anymore.

00:36:58.900 Oh, thank God.

00:36:59.660 What is Trudeau on?

00:37:00.660 Like his fifth term?

00:37:02.400 Feels like it.

00:37:03.280 In the UK, I saw a poll, only 1% of young people are going to vote for the Tories.

00:37:09.320 And Rishi Sunak feels like a rootless banker.

00:37:13.480 I know that sounds like I'm making a Jewish slur.

00:37:16.320 He's just a transnational banker executive gazillionaire who, no matter what you ask him, he'll talk about the GDP.

00:37:25.220 And all these other things we're talking about.

00:37:27.560 Like one of the things, when I was at this Jewish rally at this school that was shot up, I talk about immigration law, I press Jews on that. 1.00

00:37:39.320 Well, what about the GDP?

00:37:41.400 So how many percentage GDP is it worth to you to have the school shot up?

00:37:46.380 If you really want to get down to it.

00:37:48.500 And by the way, it's BS to think that unskilled, uneducated newcomers, many of whom go directly on social assistance, to say that's boosting our GDP is not true.

00:38:03.220 Canada is in a rough spot.

00:38:04.680 Well, let's embrace, let's confront this anti-Semitism, play devil's advocate for a bit. 0.52

00:38:10.640 So the argument is, yes, October 8th, 7th was terrible, 1,500 Jews massacred in unimaginable ways.

00:38:19.680 But the retaliation has been too much.

00:38:23.060 32,000 is the number I keep hearing.

00:38:25.660 You should have been more metered with your retaliation.

00:38:29.660 And the reason I'm dubious of people saying that is because I've never heard you say that before.

00:38:34.460 Like Vietnam, we lost 60,000 to their, I don't know, 600,000.

00:38:40.300 How many Vietnamese were lost in that war, Ryan?

00:38:43.720 Every war, no wars are metered.

00:38:47.360 That's not how wars are.

00:38:48.460 Wars are for a total, typically, a total surrender.

00:38:52.520 I went to Hiroshima recently.

00:38:56.620 And I recommend it.

00:39:00.120 I recommend going to Hiroshima for a lot of reasons. 0.95

00:39:02.940 And one is to go to the museum and memorial there.

00:39:06.520 It doesn't make anti-eugenicists look very good.

00:39:09.940 You look at Detroit, look at Haiti before and after the earthquake.

00:39:13.360 You look at Hiroshima before and after the bomb.

00:39:15.860 Yeah.

00:39:16.720 Well, so what's that?

00:39:18.960 1.1 million North Vietnamese and Viet Cong fighters.

00:39:24.920 Well, I mean, the estimates are that a million people died in the Iraq war.

00:39:28.840 And we lost a few thousand.

00:39:30.780 If that.

00:39:34.640 I heard 5,000.

00:39:37.200 Around 3,000 people less than that died in Pearl Harbor.

00:39:41.140 The firebombing of Tokyo alone had 100,000 casualties.

00:39:45.140 The firebombings of Tokyo killed more than the nuclear bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

00:39:49.640 And the firebombings were what we did before to say, please stop.

00:39:56.020 Dresden.

00:39:56.600 The firebombing of Dresden, Germany.

00:39:57.660 And the please stop.

00:39:58.680 That could also be the same with Gaza, where we say, just give us the hostages back. 0.66

00:40:02.660 Do you think they would stop if they got the hostages back?

00:40:04.660 No, because they also want to end Hamas. 0.70

00:40:12.420 Look, I want to tell you that I don't like civilian casualties.

00:40:18.300 I don't think anyone on the Israeli side does.

00:40:22.940 I just don't think so.

00:40:25.020 I don't think that's part of the Jewish mindset.

00:40:27.720 The Jewish symbol, like for cheers or the Jews wear around their neck. 0.89

00:40:33.800 The pie symbol?

00:40:34.660 It's chai, which is the...

00:40:38.500 Life.

00:40:38.960 Yeah, the word means life.

00:40:41.880 And l'chaim means to life.

00:40:45.260 And Jews have a lot of rules about the lengths you go to save a life.

00:40:51.120 Bizarrely, the head of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, Yaya Sinwar, I think is his name, was critically ill.

00:40:58.060 And the Israelis gave him medical care to bring him back to life.

00:41:01.240 I disagree with that policy, by the way, but Israel did. 1.00

00:41:04.480 So I'm saying that I think it is obviously true that Israel is not taking a genocidal approach.

00:41:13.580 It would be just flatten everything.

00:41:17.920 It would go full Chechnya on you. 0.99

00:41:20.640 Like just start shooting artillery into residential areas.

00:41:24.980 Like the idea of dropping leaflets and saying move over here, move over there.

00:41:28.880 Now the trouble is Hamas knows this about Israel.

00:41:32.060 So it built their command post under the al-Shifa hospital.

00:41:35.580 So the whole idea of putting their facilities next to schools, under schools, under hospitals,

00:41:42.420 is because they know that's going to get the Jews. 0.96

00:41:45.340 We can't beat the Jews in a symmetrical war. 0.99

00:41:51.060 Well, this is an unpopular opinion, but I think the Palestinian role is to die. 1.00

00:41:56.860 And I think Palestinians have embraced it. 0.99

00:41:59.360 Like look at gypsies. 1.00

00:42:00.460 Their role is not to assimilate into society, to scam people, to have their kids beg, to beat the shit out of their kids if they're gay. 1.00

00:42:09.040 They're kind of similar to Palestinians in a way. 0.99

00:42:11.680 And they happily have embraced that role.

00:42:14.100 That's their culture.

00:42:15.340 If you got a gypsy a job at Citibank making 200 grand a year, he would steal and immediately return to his tribe. 1.00

00:42:26.080 There's no assimilation there. 0.79

00:42:27.400 And I think over generations of Palestinians knowing that their job is to antagonize Israel and constantly be in a state of conflict and not go to Lebanon or Egypt and not move on means that war is good. 1.00

00:42:41.360 I think it's only one generation that's been that way because when the West Bank and Gaza were under Israeli administration,

00:42:48.840 those were the most educated, most liberal, most progressive parts of the Arab world.

00:42:54.500 Oh, really?

00:42:55.080 And but but then when the PLO and when Hamas were given control over it, they really did go fascist.

00:43:03.160 They really did go Sharia law.

00:43:05.180 Many of the most educated intellectual pastors.

00:43:07.520 When was this?

00:43:08.220 In the West.

00:43:08.540 Well, over the 70s and 80s and and certainly in the 90s and in 2005 is when Hamas was given Gaza.

00:43:17.940 The most the most hopeful thing I've seen in a long time, Saudi Arabia announced it's taking anti-Semitism out of its curriculum, its school curriculum.

00:43:27.900 Promoting anti-Semitism.

00:43:29.280 That's right.

00:43:29.780 Yeah.

00:43:29.980 Sorry.

00:43:30.300 Thanks for the clarification. 0.92

00:43:31.120 So they used to teach and the Jews are the devils and here's what and we got to get the Jews and they're just going to choose not to do that anymore. 1.00

00:43:40.780 And they're not they're not they're not going to be pro-Jewish. 0.99

00:43:43.700 They're just going to stop planting little seedlings that will grow up in 16, 18, 20 years into maniacal anti-Semitic automatons. 0.67

00:43:55.320 80 percent of people in Gaza say they support Hamas.

00:43:59.160 I believe them.

00:44:00.200 I think it's largely because they've been totally marinated in that ideology since childhood.

00:44:07.660 You can see these children's summer camps where the kids dress up as terrorists and do terrorist, you know, enactments.

00:44:15.820 Yeah.

00:44:15.940 And their parents say, I hope my kids grow up to be martyrs.

00:44:19.140 You can hear even in the UK, Mohammed Hijab, one of the spokesmen for Hamas, says, you love life.

00:44:25.880 We love death.

00:44:27.080 They they say that they mean that. 0.97

00:44:29.120 Now, thank God, not all Muslims are that way. 0.99

00:44:31.580 Look, you know, whether it hasn't been any encampments like at Columbia or U of T, where there hasn't been any Hamas hate marches.

00:44:40.580 Dubai.

00:44:42.380 Bahrain.

00:44:42.940 Well, you're a big Dubai fan these days.

00:44:44.580 Well, I reluctantly, until I flew there from Tel Aviv flying over Saudi Arabia.

00:44:53.960 That never used to be allowed.

00:44:55.580 I go up to a guy wearing not quite a keffiyeh, but a headdress. 0.99

00:45:00.280 I give him my passport that shows I was in Israel.

00:45:03.040 He knows I'm on a flight from El Al.

00:45:04.640 He stamps it.

00:45:05.800 Says, welcome to Dubai. 0.91

00:45:07.640 What?

00:45:08.940 You know, I'm a Jew.

00:45:09.780 I just came from.

00:45:10.460 Welcome to Dubai.

00:45:12.300 And you drive into the city and there's a there's a huge billboard.

00:45:17.160 I forget if it says unity or something, showing people in different kinds of dress, you know, very strict, very much.

00:45:23.160 And the majority of people in Dubai and UAE in general are guests.

00:45:28.480 They're not actually Emiratis.

00:45:31.320 And everyone is there to make a go of it.

00:45:35.740 I there are Chabad.

00:45:37.760 That's a very Orthodox Jewish group.

00:45:41.280 Chabad rabbis in the UAE.

00:45:44.040 What was that place you told me where there's a mosque, a Christian church?

00:45:47.500 In Abu Dhabi, which is the capital of the UAE.

00:45:50.460 The government has built something.

00:45:53.460 I think it's called the Abrahamic Fellowship Center or something.

00:45:57.460 Huge church mosque synagogue. 1.00

00:46:02.340 Exact same size, but different style.

00:46:04.960 Beautiful architecture.

00:46:06.760 And these are actually used.

00:46:09.260 The government of the UAE has built a synagogue that is used as a symbol of Abrahamic.

00:46:17.900 I mean, Abraham, Ibrahim in in the Arabic pronunciation.

00:46:24.100 We say Isaac, you know, Ishaq, Shaq, you know, Yaqub.

00:46:29.480 There's a lot of names.

00:46:30.760 If you can sort of hear Ishaq, Jesus, there's a lot of names.

00:46:33.800 So what Trump did, the brilliance of Trump is he said, you guys are cousins.

00:46:39.500 You what your brothers.

00:46:40.900 What are you fighting?

00:46:41.780 You all.

00:46:42.260 That's why they were called the Abraham Accords, because both sides could say, yeah, that's us.

00:46:46.900 I think you told me about those three churches before October 7th.

00:46:52.600 Well, I went there.

00:46:53.740 I went there before.

00:46:54.400 I went there in August.

00:46:55.840 Right.

00:46:56.460 And I saw this.

00:46:57.640 And I'm staying at a hotel in Dubai that has a kosher kitchen.

00:47:01.080 I'm going to put on the AC.

00:47:02.040 I don't care about the audio.

00:47:03.320 Kosher catering.

00:47:04.000 You're starting to sweat, and it's making me uncomfortable.

00:47:05.780 I'm sorry about that.

00:47:06.760 I was in the United Arab Emirates, and I thought, oh, my God, this can be possible.

00:47:15.560 And it felt healing, because I stood in front of a gorgeous mosque in Dubai, and instead of

00:47:23.160 feeling fear, I'm afraid of them.

00:47:26.780 They hate me.

00:47:27.920 I'm at risk of violence.

00:47:30.160 Bad things are in there.

00:47:31.560 I could look at it and say, oh, my God, that's beautiful architecturally.

00:47:36.180 I'd love to know more about it.

00:47:39.080 Everyone here is so friendly.

00:47:40.960 Like, I had never had these feelings of belonging and friendship and trust and ease in a Muslim

00:47:47.740 country.

00:47:49.040 There's a Holocaust museum in Dubai, and not a, woo, Holocaust.

00:47:53.540 It was an actual memorial to the Jews.

00:47:58.200 A Holocaust museum in Dubai.

00:48:01.560 And Trump did that peace deal with the United Arab Emirates, with Bahrain, with Sudan.

00:48:06.440 I think Morocco was in it.

00:48:07.820 And the Saudis were coming along. 1.00

00:48:09.200 And one of the terrible results of this October 7th is it's put all of that on pause.

00:48:16.960 Iran did not like the fact that Israel was befriending the Sunni Arab countries and creating 0.99

00:48:22.000 sort of a counterweight to Iran and the region.

00:48:24.400 Let me get back to your point.

00:48:26.540 When America had a sneak attack on it in Pearl Harbor, killing approximately 2,500 people,

00:48:33.860 America did not say, OK, we're going to take out this number of battleships, this number

00:48:37.780 of cruises, and this number of people, and Pharisees.

00:48:41.400 America said, we are now going to prosecute total war.

00:48:44.920 This is a day of infamy.

00:48:46.200 This is northern Africa.

00:48:47.760 This is Germany.

00:48:48.620 This is Japan.

00:48:49.580 This is Italy.

00:48:50.640 But not just we're just going to skirmish.

00:48:53.400 We are going to have an unconditional surrender.

00:48:57.440 As in, there's no negotiation.

00:48:59.620 There's no ceasefire.

00:49:00.860 There's no give us some hostage.

00:49:02.160 So they're not looking to negotiate the hostages and move on.

00:49:05.260 They are, this is full on world war.

00:49:07.040 I'm not up to date with the negotiation.

00:49:10.260 Well, what does your Mossad agent say?

00:49:11.780 Because mine said they're going to stop after 50,000.

00:49:14.900 And my checks will stop immediately after that, too, he said.

00:49:17.720 I don't think you can trust statistics coming from the Hamas Controlled Health Authority. 0.92

00:49:22.540 I think a number of those people are terrorists who dress in civilian clothes and hide amongst

00:49:27.280 civilians.

00:49:27.920 I'm not denying there's civilian casualties.

00:49:29.780 I hate it when a Hamas lie is immediately repeated and like 12 or 24 hours later it's

00:49:36.480 debunked even by Al Jazeera, but the lie remains.

00:49:39.440 It's already gone, yeah.

00:49:40.520 And, you know, Hollywood.

00:49:43.520 During the Second World War, Japan and Germany had propaganda radio, Axis Sally and Tokyo Rose.

00:49:52.820 Those were radio stations by English speakers trying to demoralize soldiers.

00:50:01.080 Oh, while you're here, your wife is at home cheating on you. 1.00

00:50:04.440 While you're here, they're living it up at home.

00:50:06.680 Trying to demoralize.

00:50:08.000 But it was really only radio that you could hear in certain areas.

00:50:10.820 Now we have the demoralizing Axis Sally and Tokyo Rose in our phones with TikTok. 0.92

00:50:15.640 That's what I said when the war broke out.

00:50:17.260 But I said, you're not going to be able to trust any of the data until many years after

00:50:22.360 this war is done.

00:50:23.700 So the 30,000, the 1,500, I'm taking it all with a pinch of salt because it's a war and 0.81

00:50:30.040 both sides have a huge motive to give you misinformation.

00:50:34.200 Back to Hiroshima.

00:50:36.240 One of the things I learned in the museum and memorial, there were tens of thousands of

00:50:41.540 people who died immediately.

00:50:42.540 Amongst them, and forgive me, I don't know the exact number, were about 10,000 Korean

00:50:50.460 slaves.

00:50:53.440 Really? 1.00

00:50:54.440 Slaves.

00:50:54.960 And I learned this from the official Japanese memorial and museum.

00:50:57.880 So this is not some Korean grudge.

00:51:00.360 This is the memorial saying, who died?

00:51:02.820 Well, this many civilians, this many soldiers, this many of this, this many of that.

00:51:06.620 And I think it was 10 or 20, and Ryan, I don't know if you want to Google it, I think

00:51:11.280 it was 10.

00:51:11.740 Kind of hard for him.

00:51:12.700 10,000 Korean slave laborers.

00:51:17.260 That's what Japan was like. 0.99

00:51:19.320 And if you Google Nanking, the rape of Nanking. 0.88

00:51:22.480 Oh, yeah.

00:51:23.100 I mean, they had a death call.

00:51:27.040 I mean, in a way they had this suicide bomber, kamikaze, divine wind.

00:51:31.900 Yeah, they're similar to Islam in many ways.

00:51:33.920 But after total defeat, unconditional surrender, look at Japan now.

00:51:41.940 A liberal democracy, prosperous, safe, free, and a boon to the world.

00:51:49.200 And I don't know if we'll ever get something so hopeful out of Gaza. 1.00

00:51:55.580 But look at Dubai.

00:51:57.480 Look at that miracle.

00:51:59.360 They have decided to use their wealth and prestige to build a gem, a free, prosperous safe.

00:52:05.100 So wait a minute, are you saying Hiroshima was good for Japan and this war on Gaza will be good for Palestine? 0.71

00:52:12.060 No, I'm saying that Japan had to be utterly defeated.

00:52:16.240 Oh, I see.

00:52:16.680 And it had to lose face and the divinity of the emperor had to be destroyed and it had to be raised down to zero and built back up.

00:52:25.700 And God bless the Americans who did that, by the way.

00:52:28.820 And I'm not one to say that that bombing was, I'm not going to call it a racist act and I'm not going to call it an injudicious act.

00:52:35.620 I believe it saved a lot of Japanese lives, by the way.

00:52:38.800 And if you're, and I don't know how you could criticize Hiroshima, but not criticize the Tokyo firebombings, which killed twice as many.

00:52:47.620 I mean, just because it was a new method.

00:52:50.240 But look at Dubai.

00:52:51.320 What they did is they built a model society.

00:52:55.780 And that was the dream for Gaza when Israel pulled out.

00:52:58.280 I don't know if you know, but in 2005, Israel pulled out of Gaza completely and took every Jew out of it.

00:53:04.600 And they bulldozed the houses of the Jews.

00:53:06.360 There were all these greenhouses.

00:53:08.840 Gaza was an enormous agricultural producer.

00:53:12.900 And Israel gifted them.

00:53:14.120 Wasn't Avi Yemeni one of those families?

00:53:17.400 I don't know.

00:53:18.420 He's got a big family.

00:53:19.500 I don't know all of them.

00:53:20.760 But instead of making it like a Dubai, and Bill Clinton was promising, by that point it wasn't Clinton anymore, but the Americans had promised so much money.

00:53:31.440 But don't leave Bill Clinton out of this, because this was a very telling moment in Camp David, where he sat down with Yasser Arafat and gave him a deal that Israel was not happy with.

00:53:41.620 It was like 99% of what the Palestinians wanted, and they made up for it by giving them other things instead. 1.00

00:53:47.920 What year would that have been?

00:53:49.440 Would that have been 05?

00:53:50.600 No, because Clinton was out in 2000.

00:53:53.720 But, you know, Yasser Arafat went outside, and he was mulling it over, and he goes, I have to say no.

00:54:00.360 And they said, how could you say no?

00:54:02.600 That's a deal.

00:54:04.620 A good deal is supposed to be where both sides are unhappy.

00:54:08.000 The only one side is unhappy here, and it's Israel. 1.00

00:54:11.440 And he goes, if I took this deal back to Palestine, I would be killed. 0.82

00:54:15.820 And that's when I realized your job as the gypsy is to be the antagonist. 1.00

00:54:21.380 That's your role in this movie, and that can never be taken away, or else you don't have a reason to live.

00:54:26.180 Like the Dahomey tribe in Africa, when the Europeans, the Brits, were begging them, imploring them to stop slave trading. 0.63

00:54:37.000 And they said, that's who we are.

00:54:39.480 If we don't accrue and sell slaves, we have no culture.

00:54:45.260 You know, the reason I love Dubai is that it's proof.

00:54:50.940 It's like how I feel about Taiwan.

00:54:52.620 Taiwan, some people say that Chinese people don't have a cultural tradition amenable to liberty, unlike Greek or Roman or British.

00:55:05.300 Where's the history of liberty?

00:55:06.740 China has a different mindset, Chinese. 0.95

00:55:08.800 But Taiwan, to me, is proof that the little guy, this little country can become a true liberal democracy.

00:55:16.520 Chiang Kai-shek.

00:55:17.980 I've got him tattooed on my back.

00:55:19.160 And Dubai, to me, is proof that Arabia can become modern, prosperous, just, constructive, a great force in the world.

00:55:31.640 And these are not words I would have thought of myself saying.

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