Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ To be candid, I am more worried about life in Canada than Israel following the Jewish 9⧸11

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Great show today. Boy, we're talking to a great Canadian builder and thinker.

00:00:05.440 I'm talking about my friend Candice Malcolm. You may know her as the founder of True North,

00:00:10.820 which is one of the few independent media companies in Canada. So you're in for a treat.

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00:00:38.620 Tonight, a one-on-one feature interview with Candice Malcolm, the founder of True North.

00:00:58.880 It's November 7th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:05.320 You could say we're competitors, and in a way we are. But I have to tell you that I regard

00:01:21.480 True North more as friends than competitors. And of course, in the media ecosystem in Canada,

00:01:27.760 there are so few independent journalists that I regard them all as allies. We are so overwhelmingly

00:01:36.720 outnumbered by government journalists. And I say government journalists not just referring to the

00:01:43.740 CBC, but of course, all of the print media in Canada is subsidized by Justin Trudeau. So whenever

00:01:50.420 I see someone from True North or Western Standard Online, I go right over to them. And that is a

00:01:57.920 friend of mine. And there is an outstanding innovator, founder, and entrepreneur in the

00:02:03.800 independent media space. I'm talking about the founder of True North, our friend Candice Malcolm.

00:02:11.020 What a pleasure to spend the next half hour talking with her. Candice Malcolm, great to have you back on

00:02:17.760 the show. It's been far too long. Congratulations on everything True North has achieved.

00:02:22.820 Well, thank you so much, Ezra. It's a pleasure to be here. Always great to talk to you. I can say the

00:02:27.560 same thing about you and the thing that you've been able to build over at The Rebel. I have tremendous

00:02:32.460 respect for you and the journalists over there. And it's always great to be in a like-minded company.

00:02:37.840 I haven't spoken to you at all since October 7th. And I don't know if you have family over in

00:02:42.440 Israel, Ezra, but you've been in our family's thoughts and prayers as well as the entire Jewish

00:02:47.340 community in Canada and in Israel. Well, you know, that's very touching of you to say that. I thank

00:02:52.080 you for that. In fact, I do have a brother over there and his two daughters are in the Israeli

00:02:56.800 military. And it's pretty tense and pretty tough. To be candid, I am more worried about life in Canada

00:03:04.280 than I am worried about life in Israel. I think in Israel, at least they've come to terms

00:03:08.880 for decades. They knew the threat. And I think they failed. They had an enormous military and

00:03:16.900 intelligence failure on October 7th. But I think they grasped the nature of the problem. I think

00:03:23.260 here on the home front in Canada, I'm actually more worried here because I don't think that our

00:03:29.880 country, and certainly not our country's leaders, have grasped the challenge this same crisis poses

00:03:37.000 to our liberalism and our peacefulness in Canada. I'm worried more about Canada. What do you think?

00:03:43.900 I've heard that from so many Jewish friends, Ezra, that basically they're just totally unprepared.

00:03:49.480 They never thought anything like this could happen. I'm not talking about the attack in Israel.

00:03:53.220 I'm talking about the reaction in North America, the anti-Semitism that they face day in and day out.

00:03:58.700 Many of the people who thought that they had friends and allies on the political left and

00:04:02.540 seeing the ugly face of anti-Semitism in their communities, in their neighborhoods,

00:04:07.840 on social media. I think it's been a huge shock to many in the Jewish community. And frankly,

00:04:13.340 as a non-Jew, for me to see as well how quickly it took after October 7th. We hadn't even fully

00:04:22.000 gotten an idea of the scope of what had happened, a truly horrendous attack. And we already had people

00:04:28.200 defending, retroactively condemning Israel for any response that they may have, and basically

00:04:35.000 saying, justifying the attacks. We've seen some truly horrific, despicable displays of anti-Semitism

00:04:42.040 here in Canada. And, you know, if anything, it is a big wake-up call of the problems that we face here

00:04:48.160 in our communities in Canada.

00:04:49.260 You know, I remember, especially those early days before Israel struck back at all, 0.86

00:04:56.060 there was immediately protests or rallies or whatever you want to call them, demonstrations

00:05:01.300 by the pro-Palestinian, some of them were simply pro-Hamas, and they said so.

00:05:08.180 They were jubilant. They were exuberant. They were exhilarated by the barbaric terrorism.

00:05:15.220 And this was not just shooting people. This was torture and rape and mutilation and

00:05:21.720 kidnapping of babies. And I think that's what stunned me the most. And I think I'm a pretty

00:05:29.240 cynical, wizened old man by now. But to see people jubilant at such stone age cruelty, I know in advance,

00:05:40.680 and I'm going to have a different opinion from people on what the two-state solution or this border

00:05:47.100 or that border is. I grant that we'll have political differences, but I thought there was an underlying

00:05:53.480 humanity and commonality. To see people gloating and cheering barbarism and butchery, that's what caught me

00:06:04.520 by surprise. That's what scared me the most. I know I'm going to disagree with people about politics,

00:06:10.440 but I didn't think I would disagree with people about rape and torture. That shocked me, and I didn't

00:06:17.280 think I was shockable.

00:06:18.860 Well, and as we're thinking about it this way, you've been paying close attention to the political

00:06:23.000 situation for your probably entire life, entire adult life. And, you know, you saw the barbarism. You know

00:06:28.680 the typical sort of pro-Hamas, pro-Gaza response. You know, imagine a typical Toronto Jew or Calgary 0.99

00:06:36.080 Jew who might not really pay attention to politics and might see themselves on the political left and

00:06:41.440 align themselves with a lot of the other campus movements that have come up over the past decade.

00:06:46.560 Some of my friends I've talked to truly, you know, feel what you feel. But to them, it was like

00:06:51.940 completely shocked, out of left field, can't believe it. And, you know, I'm happy that people are waking

00:06:58.060 up to the extreme threats. I mean, think of it this way. Do you remember in 2015, 2016, when we saw

00:07:04.180 constant attacks against civilians carried out by ISIS in Europe, attacks on restaurants, attacks

00:07:10.940 on parades, children being murdered, that the response from the West was rightly outraged and

00:07:18.320 disgust. The opposition to ISIS in the West was pretty much unanimous, except for maybe in some very

00:07:25.520 fringe, ultra-radical Islamist circles. No one started talking about, well, let's look at the

00:07:30.660 broader context of, you know, the Iraq wars or anything like that. It was all just focused on

00:07:37.080 the barbarism of the attacks and figuring out how can we, you know, dismantle and destroy ISIS.

00:07:43.080 So it was a huge shock and surprise to see so many people on college campuses, politicians even,

00:07:50.220 trying to provide context and saying that we have to look at the broader, you know, the broader

00:07:56.500 conflict in Israel. It's like, well, yeah, sure, there's a lot of history. We can go back. We can

00:08:01.260 go back to 1947. We can go back to 1917, the Balfour Declaration. We can go back 2,000 years and look at

00:08:07.240 the history and see all the nuance and all the context. But the reality was on October 7th, we saw a

00:08:14.040 barbaric gruesome attack against civilians. And that is the beginning of the story. That's the beginning of

00:08:18.880 this story. You know, it's not the beginning of the conflict. But we should look at the situation

00:08:23.420 that unfolded that Hamas attacked civilians during a ceasefire and figure out how we can support Israel

00:08:30.260 in doing what they need to do to secure their own survival and to protect their own civilians.

00:08:35.520 You know, I remember 9-11 very clearly. It was a momentous date in my life, as I think it was for

00:08:43.340 for anyone who was an adult back then. And for a brief moment, the entire world was united behind

00:08:50.120 America. And I don't recall any college campus across America or Canada cheering the attackers.

00:08:59.620 There were some sporadic groups, as you mentioned, some extremist pockets. But you didn't see Harvard

00:09:06.200 or Cornell or University of Toronto. You didn't see... I don't think in Canada you saw... I mean,

00:09:13.080 listen, the Muslim Canadian community was much smaller 20-odd years ago. But you didn't see

00:09:18.280 rallies in support of Osama bin Laden. I just don't think you saw that, like you say, other than

00:09:24.160 some very extremist quarters that were very small. And I don't know. I think it's not just

00:09:32.320 people who have come to Canada from places where anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism are normal.

00:09:38.700 I think the scariest thing for me is that old stock Canadians, if I can use that term, 1.00

00:09:44.720 who go to these universities, have the cultural Marxism matrix where they see the world as oppressor

00:09:51.760 and oppressed. And they've decided that Israel is the oppressor here. And so they've excused any form

00:09:59.740 of barbarism. I'm more scared about, you know, long-time Canadians going to university and turned 1.00

00:10:09.740 into amoral justifiers of barbarism. In some ways, I'm more scared of that than I am of someone who came 1.00

00:10:17.020 here from Somalia or Afghanistan or Syria cheering that on. I don't know. I think it's a terrible and 1.00

00:10:23.740 terrifying coalition. But what do you make of those? Do you think it's those two streams, people who

00:10:29.740 have come here and haven't assimilated, but also people born and raised here who have been twisted by

00:10:38.700 Marxism, by wokeism to hate anything of the West? What do you think?

00:10:44.780 Yeah, I think that's a pretty good analysis of what we're seeing and who we're seeing out

00:10:49.740 rallying in support. It's basically a coalition of radical Islamists and people who just don't

00:10:55.980 accept the West and who have held on to, perhaps held on to grievances from their homeland. And

00:11:02.140 they brought them here into Canada, which is a problem that I'm sure we'll discuss during this 1.00

00:11:05.660 interview. And then you also have the generation that's just been completely steeped in wokeism.

00:11:12.700 And this is the outcome of the diversity, equity and inclusion mantras that rule on college campuses

00:11:21.020 and throughout our institutions. People look at the situation and they see, I think wrongly,

00:11:27.900 they think that Jews are the colonizers, that Jews are white, white supremacists that have somehow

00:11:33.500 taken over in the Middle East. And that because they're rich and the Palestinians are poor, 1.00

00:11:38.780 forget about all the governance, all the leadership, forget about all the details of the history.

00:11:44.140 They just see it sort of black and white. One side's rich, one side's poor, one side's white,

00:11:48.220 one side's not. Any of these arguments are completely ridiculous and fall apart under 0.99

00:11:54.700 even the slightest bit of scrutiny. I visited Israel back in 2015. I visited the West Bank and 0.89

00:12:00.700 the Palestinian territories as well. And one of the things that immediately struck me was that the

00:12:06.860 Israelis, the Jews, it was hard to distinguish them from the Arab Palestinians because they all look 1.00

00:12:12.300 the same. They're all from the same parts of the world. So many of the people in Israel

00:12:16.700 are actually displaced Jews from other Middle Eastern countries because as many as a million

00:12:21.660 Jews were expelled from Muslim countries during the 20th century, something, you know, an ethnic 1.00

00:12:26.460 cleansing that we don't often hear about or talk about. So, you know, obviously the situation is so much

00:12:30.940 more complex than the sort of slogans that we hear at these rallies. But I think you're right.

00:12:36.780 I think that the most concerning part about these rallies and about the public opinion polls we've

00:12:41.180 seen is the generation, Gen Z, I guess you call them, folks under 25, and how the support sort of

00:12:48.140 flips. The older that you are, this is a poll in the United States, the older that you are,

00:12:52.620 the more likely you are to support Israel and its right to defend itself. And the younger you are,

00:12:57.020 especially that generation, sort of 18 to 25 year olds, overwhelmingly support Hamas and

00:13:03.260 the Palestinian terror against Israel, which is concerning. Although I will just put a little

00:13:08.940 caveat on all of that. When I look at Canadian public opinion polls, Ezra, it does give me hope

00:13:13.740 because I don't see the popular mass. I think that overwhelmingly Canadians do support Israel. I think

00:13:20.940 I saw a recent public opinion poll that said over 80 percent of Canadians believe that Israel has

00:13:25.420 right to defend itself and Israel is in the right. So, you know, despite all the propaganda and all the

00:13:30.380 loud protesters and marches, I don't think that that represents a majority or even a plurality

00:13:36.220 of any generation. You know, I'm glad to hear you say that on the Canadian side. I went deep on that

00:13:40.940 Harvard-Harris poll a few weeks ago that showed exactly what you said. Senior citizens, 95 percent

00:13:47.340 support Israel. But the cohort that's in school right now, it's 50-50. That's terrifying to me.

00:13:53.420 But I want to find some hope. And here's what I know. For example, the dictatorship of Iran 0.99

00:14:01.500 has troublemakers in Canada, and they have had for years. They sponsor, for example, Al-Quds Day, 0.65

00:14:08.540 which is an anti-Semitic rally, which they have in Toronto all the time. And you can spot

00:14:14.620 these agents of Iran. They dress in a certain way and they sort of have a look to them. They're sort

00:14:20.460 of parade marshals and organizers. I've seen them do provocative marches through the Jewish community 1.00

00:14:27.980 in Toronto in years past. So I think what I see is not... I think you see young people who like to

00:14:35.820 protest anything and protesting for Palestine is cool. I think you say hard left-wingers. Like I was in

00:14:42.700 London the other day, I'd say about a quarter of the people marching in that big protest were just old

00:14:48.620 labor radicals who, you know, would sign up with anything anti-Western. And right now the strong

00:14:56.060 horse is the Palestinian movement. So I think a lot of it is stimulated and artificial. But listen, 1.00

00:15:04.300 they still did get 100,000 people marching in London. They still did get tens of thousands

00:15:10.860 in Montreal. I mean, the other day, a preacher, Adil Cherkawi, was preaching to 10 or 20,000 people in

00:15:19.980 Montreal, preaching death to the... He was preaching jihad. Let me ask you this. Where are all the people

00:15:28.540 who would take a magnifying glass and say, oh, they made the OK symbol with their hands. That's a coded

00:15:36.700 form of white supremacy. Oh, those truckers, honk, honk. That stands for Heil Hitler, HH. Like we saw this

00:15:44.860 kind of exquisite phrenology. These tea-leave readers finding, you know, racism in any conservative. You

00:15:53.660 have groups like Canadian Anti-Hate Network who were paid hundreds of thousands of dollars

00:15:59.820 to look for right-wing hate. You have 14 human rights commissions in Canada, one for every province,

00:16:07.340 territory in the federal government. All of these hate finders, these professional hate finders,

00:16:15.020 have been silent when you have actual swastika flags, actual death to the Jews chants. I'm starting 0.91

00:16:22.380 to believe, Candace, that none of them were actually against hate or violence at all. They just

00:16:29.340 were against hate for them, and they used that as a demonization of conservatives. We've got,

00:16:35.740 you know, not quite pogroms in Canada, although they tried to torch a synagogue in Montreal.

00:16:42.700 And all of these groups are silent as a mouse. It's as if they've all gone on vacation. What do you

00:16:47.420 make of the anti-hate industry losing its voice in the most hateful month in Canadian history, probably?

00:16:56.540 Well, Ezra, they've all been completely exposed. I mean, we can tell that the anti-hate network are

00:17:02.700 nothing but a group of hate hustlers. Nothing in their mandate, by the way, says that they are only

00:17:08.620 supposed to look at right-wing extremism. And yet that's what the lead of that group said on social

00:17:15.260 media the other day, that apparently they only have the mandate and the cash to look at extreme

00:17:23.020 right-wing violence, which is why they've remained completely silenced. Well, at least that they're

00:17:27.020 admitting that the issues here are not on the right. They're on the left and in the Islamist 0.99

00:17:32.460 communities. But, you know, what good is a government-funded organization that refuses to

00:17:38.780 look at 50% plus of the population in terms of blind eye to truly horrific incidents like a synagogue 0.69

00:17:47.660 being firebombed, Jewish businesses throughout Toronto being boycotted and harassed and having

00:17:53.740 property damage done against them, you know, people getting assaulted, people getting threatened.

00:18:00.300 There are some real problems happening at these marches. And, you know, I'm pretty

00:18:05.500 bold and pretty bullish on free speech. I think it's incredibly important. I think that everyone has

00:18:09.980 the right to peaceful protest and to peaceful assembly. You know, we fought and advocated on that

00:18:16.540 when it came to the Freedom Convoy, that yes, these people do have the right to go to Parliament Hill

00:18:20.780 and let their voice be heard. We see it all the time with left-wing protests. We see left-wing

00:18:24.940 sit-ins constantly and they don't get, to your point, they don't get the kind of scrutiny that the

00:18:29.740 trucker convoy did. You know, we had one anonymous masked provocateur show up with a Nazi flag. From

00:18:37.100 best I can tell, he waved that flag for a good five minutes, long enough to have a couple of people

00:18:42.780 shoot some photos of him. And all of a sudden, every single trucker, every single person that

00:18:48.460 was supporting that movement was smeared as a Nazi. And yet, Ezra, just this past weekend,

00:18:53.900 I saw Nazi swastikas at rallies in Ottawa and Edmonton. And then to your point, we heard

00:19:00.700 explicit calls for violence and incitement of genocide against Jews by a preacher in Montreal.

00:19:07.980 And, you know, these groups are silent. Not only that, but then you have the sort of moral

00:19:12.060 equivocation and cowardice of liberal leaders and progressives saying that we have to condemn hate

00:19:19.420 of all kinds. And it's not just anti-Semitism that is a problem, but supposedly it's also Islamophobia.

00:19:24.620 I'm sorry. I haven't seen huge public attacks against Muslims in the past month. I haven't seen

00:19:34.300 Muslim businesses being harassed and targeted and boycotted. I haven't seen news reports of Muslims

00:19:39.260 getting assaulted on the streets. I haven't seen threats and calls to violence against Muslims like

00:19:43.900 I do against Jews every single day on social media. Every few minutes, there's a new post. 1.00

00:19:48.780 You know, even in Windsor, Ontario, and even in small communities, we see threats against Jews and

00:19:54.940 against the state of Israel. And for some reason, our politicians can't even muster up the courage,

00:20:01.340 Ezra, to condemn anti-Semitism. It's quite a sad state of affairs on the political left in Canada.

00:20:06.540 You made a tweet today that was so, it said so much in so few words. Let me show it on the screen.

00:20:14.220 You said, can someone please explain how condemning, quote, all forms of hate is any different from

00:20:21.820 saying, quote, all lives matter? And that might not ring a bell for folks who are unfamiliar with

00:20:28.380 the Black Lives Matter movement. Black Lives Matter, which really got some steam after some

00:20:33.500 African Americans were killed in altercations with police, George Floyd, for example.

00:20:39.580 And the Black community, or at least a part of the community, would cry out and say, 1.00

00:20:45.740 this is anti-Black racism. Our people are hurting. This is wounding. This is racism. And we can argue

00:20:52.140 details over cases like George Floyd. But what they wanted is for people to say, yes,

00:20:57.180 we understand your pain as the Black community. And a lot of people, including on the right,

00:21:04.620 would say, look, all lives matter. But I know that some people who were grieving a particular

00:21:11.420 instance that they thought was racist said, there's a crisis right now involving a Black man who was

00:21:16.860 just killed. And you're telling me, no, no, no, everything counts the same. I just need you to

00:21:21.900 say for one second the Black Lives Matter. That was the argument. And here, and by the way, 0.72

00:21:26.700 Justin Trudeau went out in the middle of the pandemic and took a knee on Parliament Hill,

00:21:30.700 breaking the anti-gathering rules. He was so dedicated to the Black Lives Matter movement,

00:21:35.100 even though it was an American movement in every way. And so now you have a synagogue being a firebomb 0.76

00:21:40.860 thrown into a synagogue in Montreal. You have Jewish restaurants being, you know, Nazi-style boycotts.

00:21:46.860 You have chants for death for the Jews. And Trudeau and all the others cannot say 0.98

00:21:54.300 anti-Semitism is wrong, period. They just always append, and Islamophobia too, and all forms of

00:22:02.860 racism. They just can't say it. And I think it's to dilute and diminish what's going on. And there was a

00:22:12.220 there was a Jewish protester for Israel who was murdered in Los Angeles yesterday. He was killed.

00:22:19.420 And we just, you know, and I don't want any Muslims in North America killed. I don't want

00:22:25.500 Muslim business to be boycotted. I don't want Muslim schools to be targeted as Jewish schools have been 1.00

00:22:30.860 targeted. But there's something really creepy about political leaders, Justin Trudeau is amongst the worst,

00:22:36.300 who will not say, I'm against anti-Semitism, period, when they're asked about a synagogue being torched.

00:22:43.100 Why are they tacking on the Islamophobia part other than to water down and remove

00:22:50.460 the truth of what... We have had a torrent of anti-Semitism over the last month, and I think

00:22:56.220 there's something creepy about politicians who won't acknowledge that. I don't know, maybe I'm being too sensitive.

00:23:00.860 No, I think you're right. It's almost become like comical to see it. It's like we're seeing an

00:23:07.100 unprecedented level of harassment and targeting of Jewish people in Canada and the United States.

00:23:12.460 And it's not just Trudeau. It's liberal politicians across the board, because we saw the same thing

00:23:17.500 from Joe Biden and his press secretary, where they immediately went to jumping into condemning

00:23:24.060 Islamophobia. It's like, you know, you gave a pretty nuanced description of the all lives matter,

00:23:29.660 black lives matter debate. And, you know, a lot of people just said, of course, a statement,

00:23:34.540 all lives matter is true. We all matter. And let's figure out a way to live together and make our

00:23:39.900 society more peaceful. And for the black lives matter activists, they wanted people to recognize

00:23:45.500 that they were feeling attacked and they wanted the slogan, black lives matter. They didn't want it

00:23:49.660 to be co-opted. And I agree with it or disagree with it. That was their point. And not only that,

00:23:54.620 Ezra, but there were a thousand think pieces telling us that it was wrong to say white lives

00:23:59.420 matter, that that was racist, that that was conflating too many issues, and that it was

00:24:04.380 important just to focus on the Black Lives Matter movement. Okay, so why doesn't that same logic apply? 0.55

00:24:09.820 That was the point of that. Why doesn't the same logic apply? When you see Jewish business 1.00

00:24:15.180 owners getting targeted for the sin of being Jewish or being from Israel, when you see exactly your 0.73

00:24:20.780 point, a man in Los Angeles killed because he was waving an Israeli flag. I mean, this is serious

00:24:26.140 level of anti-Semitism. And I just don't see that against Muslims. Maybe it's there. Maybe I'm just,

00:24:34.220 you know, missing it. Maybe there's a lot of hatred online, although I'm sure you've been the victim of

00:24:39.500 of unknown, you know, attacks and smears online. I know Gad Saad, who's a Canadian university professor

00:24:47.900 from Lebanon who's Jewish. He's been sharing a lot of the hate that he's receiving. It's pretty

00:24:52.460 gruesome and horrific, the kinds of stuff that's being sent to him. So anyway, it's like, why can't

00:24:58.620 leaders just have some moral clarity? Why can't they just say, look, we're dealing with a surge in

00:25:02.940 anti-Semitism. It's nothing like we have seen in this country in recent memory. Let's all work together to

00:25:08.940 address that and stop that. Instead, I think it has to do with pandering and votes and making sure

00:25:14.060 that they're not alienating the people that they know will vote for them. But it's disappointing,

00:25:19.820 Ezra. And I think that at this moment in time in Canada, it's important for leaders to specifically

00:25:26.220 name the problem, to discuss what it is that we're facing. And in this moment in time, there's no doubt

00:25:31.820 that anti-Semitism is, I think, the biggest problem in Canada right now. You know, some of my favorite 0.98

00:25:37.900 Canadians are Muslims who came here from fascistic Islamic countries have come here to be free. 0.87

00:25:47.180 The late Tariq Fatah would be an example. Our friend Raheel Raza, who I think is one of the

00:25:52.940 finest Canadians I've ever met. And I think sometimes you have to come from an authoritarian

00:25:58.140 regime to understand freedom. I think it's a reason why so many of the protesters during the pandemic

00:26:03.500 lockdowns, you could hear an Eastern European accent there because they understood authoritarianism.

00:26:08.780 At least it seemed to me that a lot of the people more on guard for our liberty came from a place 0.80

00:26:13.340 without it. But I think that so many Canadians and Americans and Brits and Australians, they're not just

00:26:21.820 counting votes, because all across the West there are millions of Muslim migrants who vote. But I think

00:26:28.460 even more than the votes, people are afraid of being labeled racist. I don't know if you ever read the

00:26:33.500 report into the Rotherham rape gangs in that city in the UK. Time and time again, social workers, doctors,

00:26:41.740 police, politicians said the reason they didn't blow the whistle on these 1400 girls who were raped over 0.98

00:26:48.780 the course of time is they were afraid of being called racist. It wasn't about a vote or about violence.

00:26:53.900 They were terrified that if they said something, they'd be called racist. That's a very hard way

00:26:59.740 of looking at it. Here's a funny way of looking at it. Let me quote to you a tweet that the late

00:27:04.220 Norm MacDonald, the comedian made. And this is his take on being afraid of being called racist,

00:27:10.700 which I think is a lot of it. I think Pierre Polyev is walking a fine line. He's very strong against

00:27:17.580 anti-Semitism. I'm grateful for that. But even he can count. Let me just quote for you a joke 1.00

00:27:23.740 that the late Norm MacDonald meant that that's a lighter way of putting this. He said,

00:27:28.060 what terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans, 0.99

00:27:35.500 imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims. I mean, that's a very sardonic, very sarcastic 0.99

00:27:43.740 Norm MacDonald kind of joke. But listen, I understand not conflating regular Muslims who

00:27:51.500 want to live, want to be Canadian and who are appalled by the barbarism. But my God, I just think

00:27:59.500 that we're so afraid of call. I mean, there is an Islamist strain here and it's being whipped up by 1.00

00:28:07.420 cultural Marxism. It's being whipped up by foreign entities like the Iranian government, which is very 0.87

00:28:12.780 active in undermining us. And I think frankly, this is the first time in history where foreign entities 1.00

00:28:18.620 have had a direct communication link with our domestic population. I'm talking about TikTok.

00:28:24.220 You know, in World War II, you had Axis Sally and Tokyo Rose that were radio hosts in the English

00:28:30.060 language trying to demoralize American troops. And they would say, oh, G.I. Joe, your girlfriend back

00:28:36.780 home is having an affair on you. Oh, they don't... Like it was a way to demoralize soldiers. But now,

00:28:42.620 I mean, I'm on both Twitter and TikTok, and I see on TikTok this Amazon River, this Niagara Falls

00:28:51.580 of anti-Western propaganda. And I've got to think it's related in some way to the fact that TikTok is

00:28:57.260 owned by China. And you've got 100 million Americans, maybe not 100 million, but 50 million Americans,

00:29:03.820 most of them young, taking direct propaganda against America, against American values.

00:29:10.060 It's overwhelmingly pro-China, pro-Russia, and pro-Palestinian. I think that's also a problem.

00:29:16.300 And I'm not necessarily calling for censorship. I don't know what to do. But I think TikTok is pumping

00:29:22.460 ideas directly into kids. And I think that may be a reason why 50% of people, of young people in

00:29:28.860 America are for Hamas. 0.98

00:29:30.460 I think that's exactly right. I think that TikTok is a huge problem. And there's a reason I don't keep

00:29:36.380 it on my phone. I don't trust the technology behind it or who's looking into your data. But I think

00:29:42.300 you're right. If you were to design a politically destabilizing force, it would look something like

00:29:49.100 TikTok. And the fact that it's run by an adversarial regime or a company that operates from within, I think

00:29:54.460 that that is something that needs to be seriously looked at. I think that one of the things that

00:30:00.380 Islamists do, Ezra, is they use our freedoms against us, right? They come into the West and 1.00

00:30:06.460 they sort of drape themselves in the ideas of free speech and free association or free assembly.

00:30:12.620 Even when the message that they're sending is so antithetical to Western values and the core

00:30:20.300 existence of West, I think we face a pretty serious existential crisis when it comes to what to do

00:30:27.900 with people who come from... It's ironic. They fled Islamist, fascist regimes. They've come to Canada, 0.82

00:30:35.580 come to the United States for stability and security and the opportunities and prosperity

00:30:42.540 that comes with living in a Western country. And yet, so many of them in these extreme Islamist 1.00

00:30:47.740 circles then turn around and embrace the very culture and values that led to the destabilization

00:30:55.740 of the countries that they fled. It truly is a horrific sight to see someone waving the Ayatollah's 0.92

00:31:02.140 Iranian flag, the Islamic Republic of Iran's flag in Toronto. I don't think I've ever seen that before

00:31:08.300 this past weekend. You know, you see a lot of people waving the former Shah's flag with the lion,

00:31:13.820 the old Iranian flag, people celebrating Persian culture and history. But I haven't seen that Islamic

00:31:22.220 Republic of Iran flag being waved. And yet there they are openly, proudly waving the flag of a horrible 1.00

00:31:30.140 dictatorship that's destabilizing the entire Middle East and the entire world. And, you know, I think that the 0.89

00:31:35.900 West has to ask themselves some pretty serious questions. I tried to raise a lot of these

00:31:40.060 questions, and I know you did too, back when ISIS was reigning over Iraq and there was terrorist

00:31:46.060 attacks throughout Europe. You know, you had all of these people coming from that exact same region. 1.00

00:31:50.300 Remember at the time, Ezra, 10 to 20 percent of the Syrian population supported the caliphate,

00:31:54.540 supported ISIS. And the Trudeau government were in such a rush to get these people in. They were

00:31:59.100 skipping security steps. I was reporting on that, how quickly and rushed the program was and how so

00:32:04.460 many people were just getting into Canada to meet a political objective. Well, what happens, you know,

00:32:09.740 10, 20, 30 years down the road when you've accepted people who, at their core, fundamentally

00:32:14.780 do not believe in Western liberal democracy, don't believe in the freedoms that you and I take for

00:32:20.380 granted? I think it creates a pretty scary situation. And now we're stuck in the situation where,

00:32:25.100 you know, I want to defend free speech and I want to defend free assembly. But obviously,

00:32:30.700 I don't think you should be able to incite hatred and violence and genocide. And it doesn't seem like

00:32:35.980 the Canadian police services or Canadian political leadership class is willing to take that stance to

00:32:42.540 actually arrest people. People who are not citizens and not permanent residents who break these kind of

00:32:47.260 laws should be deported. And that shouldn't be controversial. That shouldn't be something that's,

00:32:51.740 you know, a huge threat to our way of life. It's like, no, if you're here and you don't want to be

00:32:56.380 here and you're showing that you don't want to be here, you have to go. And I don't think that Canada

00:33:01.660 has the stomach to say that. I don't think political leadership class on any side of the aisle is

00:33:06.220 willing to do that. And, you know, it's like a death by a thousand cuts. If we turn around and accept,

00:33:11.260 you know, there's a report saying that Canada is considering or that there's talk of Canada accepting

00:33:15.660 half a million refugees from Gaza. Well, Ezra, you know very well the mindset and the brainwashing 0.99

00:33:22.220 that has taken place among this population. You know, is there going to be any kind of security

00:33:26.380 screening of these folks or any kind of values testing? Probably not. You know, the same thing

00:33:31.260 with people who perhaps are coming from other Islamic countries that have been displaced refugees.

00:33:37.100 You know, they're going to come to Canada and we're probably not going to do anything to

00:33:40.060 integrate them. We're probably not going to do anything to screen them. And, you know,

00:33:43.020 you can see how that creates a very long term, a problem in the long term. You know,

00:33:48.140 again, what is Canada going to look like 20, 30, 40, 50 years from now, when we continue to have

00:33:53.180 these programs where we let in hundreds of thousands of people from places that have the exact opposite

00:33:58.300 views than us on many issues. And we try to maintain a liberal democracy. It's, you know, you can get

00:34:05.020 pretty pessimistic looking at the numbers and thinking about the future of our society.

00:34:09.100 Yeah. I mean, I saw that the immigration minister was musing about taking an enormous number of

00:34:15.820 Afghans who are being kicked out of Pakistan between Gaza and Afghanistan. I mean, we're already at

00:34:22.540 absolute record high levels of immigration, which is a problem for housing reasons and for infrastructure

00:34:28.940 reasons. But to take people who are perhaps the least culturally assimilable, we don't even use the word

00:34:36.380 assimilation anymore. We don't even use the word integration anymore. Like you said, it's DEI,

00:34:40.380 diversity, equity and inclusion, which means it's outrageous to ask anyone to Canadianize. That's

00:34:46.140 racist. We have to include them, even if they do not share that underlying commonality. And that's

00:34:51.980 what scares me. It doesn't scare me that we're bringing people to Canada who disagree with me.

00:34:57.100 It scares me that we're bringing people to, and we're growing Canadians in college

00:35:02.380 who love barbarism, who said they were exhilarated on, on October 7th. We interviewed one young lady

00:35:10.140 on the streets of Mississauga wearing machine gun earrings, who said everything Hamas did was 0.66

00:35:16.060 justified. Here's a quick clip of that lady. Hamas is not a terrorist group. Oh, it isn't them? First of all,

00:35:20.860 Hamas is not a terrorist group. Hamas is not a terrorist group. What is it? Like a motorcycle

00:35:27.820 club? It is a resistance that has been fuming for 75 years of colonialism, of occupation, of murder,

00:35:36.780 of rape, of little children, of women. That's what they are. They are resistance. Do you think Canada

00:35:42.540 is a colonialist country too? Everything that they do is justified. Well, that was in reaction to the

00:35:47.420 barbarism, but you mentioned, you mentioned operatives from Iran. Let me just give you a quick throwback.

00:35:52.380 Here's a video that David Menzies recorded a few years ago. This is before the pandemic.

00:35:56.380 I can delve by the old microphone flash he had for when we call ourselves the rebel dot media.

00:36:01.660 And he was talking to a guy who said, look, it's your fault that you haven't integrated me.

00:36:06.780 I refuse to say the oath of allegiance, um, at my immigration swearing in. It was up to you

00:36:13.180 to make me say it. I didn't. Ha ha. And we are going to bring Sharia law with us. He said all these 0.70

00:36:20.140 things. Take a look at this flashback to Al-Quds day, which again is that Iran-sponsored day of hate 0.85

00:36:27.580 in Toronto. Take a look. I, like I said, I have met several Muslims who left Islamic nations and have

00:36:34.780 horror and are horrified and are horrified to see those elements of those countries following them

00:36:43.260 over to Canada and the United States. What would you say to them? You know, Muslims that want to live 1.00

00:36:47.980 a secular lifestyle. You should go to your queen and tell her to change the laws. Change the laws to what, 0.98

00:36:53.500 sir? To Sharia law? No, change the laws to not allow any more Muslims to come to Canada. Like, 1.00

00:36:59.020 if you, if you are bothered by Muslims, because we, we owe our allegiance and our loyalty first and

00:37:05.020 foremost to our religion, not to the queen, to be honest. When I went for my so-called oath,

00:37:11.020 I was silent. I didn't say anything. It was your responsibility to make sure you got it out of me.

00:37:15.660 So when I didn't say anything, I'm not, I'm not liable to any. I mean, there's a guy on tape saying,

00:37:20.940 I did not take my oath to the country and it was up to you to make sure I did. And I didn't. I mean,

00:37:28.300 I'm with you. I believe in freedom of speech very much. And I think freedom of speech is something

00:37:32.700 you have to support even when you don't like the speech in question. But what if someone

00:37:36.700 has come not, has come to colonize us? Speaking of decolonization, what is, if we, if we had had a

00:37:44.060 million German Canadians, uh, 80 years ago who were positively agitating for Hitler and having 0.65

00:37:52.300 Hitler youth rallies and saying boycott you, I, I don't know what our grandparents' generation would

00:37:58.940 have done. I think they would have been kicked out. I'm getting a little revved up here. Let me turn

00:38:02.060 it back to you, Candace. I want to maintain my liberalism. I want to maintain my love for freedom

00:38:06.380 of speech, even for speech I don't like. But I think you're right. I think if someone is here

00:38:11.180 breaking, not just hate crimes or calls of violence, but supporting terrorism, our criminal 0.59

00:38:16.220 code bans facilitating, participating, instructing, or harboring terrorist groups. And I'm not saying

00:38:23.260 these people are instructing or harboring, but some of these pro Hamas rallies are definitely

00:38:28.460 participating or facilitating. And yet we haven't seen a single charge under the, those criminal

00:38:34.460 code provisions in Canada. Don't mind me. I'm ranting. Let me, let me get you in on this.

00:38:39.340 Well, you're making, yeah, you're making excellent points, Ezra. And first of all,

00:38:43.820 I want to just praise your reporter there, David Menzies. He goes where no one else goes and gets

00:38:48.780 incredible interviews, have people, you know, tell us what, what they really think in their own words.

00:38:53.180 And, you know, that really is a skill and it's, he's doing tremendous work out there. It's terrifying

00:38:58.620 when you, when you go to these rallies and you hear what people are saying, not just because it's what

00:39:02.380 they believe, but it's what they are so sure that they're able to get away with, that they're willing to

00:39:08.300 say it to a reporter holding a camera, knowing that it will go online, knowing that their words

00:39:14.140 can be used against them, but they're so sure of themselves. They're so confident in their beliefs

00:39:18.780 that they're not going to get challenged, that they're not going to have legal consequences, even

00:39:23.820 though to your point, there are laws on the books against this kind of thing. Again, I think that

00:39:29.180 Canadians need to, at some point, it's going to have to happen. We're going to have to have a

00:39:34.460 conversation. We're going to have to look around and say, hey, you know, Canada, yes,

00:39:39.660 Canadians aren't one specific ethnicity or religion or identity. They never have been. Canada's always

00:39:45.420 been a mix of different people. And that's the beauty of Canada. But what is it that makes the

00:39:49.820 person Canadian? What, what is it that makes us Canadian? If it's not our skin color, if it's not

00:39:54.860 our language, if it's not our religion, what is it? Well, I think that Canadians, the thing that holds us

00:40:00.300 together is a core belief in a set of principles, a set of values. And we have to be able to articulate

00:40:07.500 what those values are, and make sure that the people coming here are actually embracing these

00:40:12.540 values, and that the Canadians being raised in this culture and the society are being taught these

00:40:17.420 values and being taught these norms and being taught about democracy and the rule of law and all

00:40:21.900 of these other things that we hold near and dear. Because otherwise, if we don't, if we just continue to

00:40:26.860 say, okay, we're a post nationalist country, there's no mainstream, there's nothing really

00:40:31.420 here, everyone can just come and do their own thing. And you can keep your own religion,

00:40:35.100 you can keep your own culture, you can bring all of the hatred that you had in some other part of

00:40:40.940 the world and bring those tribal feuds here to Canada. And we're not going to say anything because 0.95

00:40:44.700 it's racist. I mean, if we continue to have that attitude, as you know, there's not much holding

00:40:49.020 this country together. And as we go into the future, every time there's a crisis or conflict

00:40:55.980 in any part of the world, it's going to spill over at home in Canada, it's going to lead to more and

00:41:00.540 more violence on our streets, more and more people bringing those foreign wars and those foreign 1.00

00:41:04.540 conflicts to play them out in our streets. You know, I think that Canada is in serious need of some

00:41:10.860 leadership, of some moral clarity. You know, I think Pierre Polyev is a tremendous leader,

00:41:16.460 and I see him doing well. And I hope that if, you know, he continues on this path,

00:41:21.660 perhaps he's the one that has that moral clarity. But I think it's going to take more than just,

00:41:25.660 you know, one politician. I think we need a serious wake up call amongst the political class,

00:41:31.020 amongst the elites in universities and newspapers and all across society to say, look, Canada's a pretty

00:41:38.300 great country. And the reason that it's great is for these following reasons. Now let's do everything

00:41:42.700 we can to protect those things and protect those values to make sure that Canada is still great

00:41:47.180 in 50, 100 years. And, you know, the path that we're going where we're just unwilling to do that,

00:41:53.180 we're afraid of being called racist, we are willing to accept people from all over the world,

00:41:56.860 but we don't want to impose our own ideas or values onto them. That's a recipe for disaster.

00:42:02.540 We've been seeing it playing out now for decades, and it just gets worse with each conflict. So

00:42:07.580 hopefully people are waking up to that. Hopefully people are seeing that as a reality. I saw

00:42:12.060 a liberal sort of progressive person post on X the other day or Twitter that basically can't

00:42:17.900 Canadian values mean something and we should be promoting them. So maybe, maybe some liberals and

00:42:22.140 some progressives are waking up to this reality, but I, you know, I think it's going to take a real,

00:42:27.020 we need a wake up call, Ezra. Maybe this is it, maybe not. But I think that the reality is we need

00:42:32.060 to celebrate Canadian values and we need to define them and do what we can to make sure that they're

00:42:36.140 being upheld and promoted and respected.

00:42:39.340 Well, what a strong ending to our wonderful interview with Candice Malcolm, the founder

00:42:43.660 of True North. Great to see you. Thank you for taking so much time and thank you for sharing

00:42:47.580 your wisdom and your perspective. Before we go, what's the best way for people to be involved

00:42:51.820 with True North? What can people do to support your efforts?

00:42:55.740 Well, Ezra, I think like everyone in Canadian media, we're being blocked by social media,

00:42:59.820 by the Trudeau government's absurd legislation. So, you know, if you want to engage with True

00:43:04.220 North, sign up for our newsletters, head on over to tnc.news and sign up for our newsletter. So

00:43:08.460 our news goes right to your inbox. You don't have to rely on, you know, social media algorithms or

00:43:13.580 the whims of the Trudeau government as to whether or not you can see our news and reporting. You know,

00:43:18.940 you can still definitely find our videos on YouTube and on Twitter or X, whatever it's called these

00:43:24.140 days. So there's still lots of ways to engage. We're still doing a lot of work, a lot of journalism,

00:43:28.700 and yeah, we're doing well. So despite Trudeau's best efforts, I think the same can be said for you

00:43:34.700 over at The Rebel. Despite Trudeau's best efforts, independent media is flourishing and we're all

00:43:39.340 doing really well. Right on. Well, congratulations on everything you built and great to catch up with

00:43:44.220 you and keep fighting for freedom, my friend. All right. Thanks. Same to you, Ezra. All right.

00:43:48.620 There you have it. Candace Malcolm. Well, that's our show for the day. Until tomorrow. And by the way,

00:43:53.980 I'll be in Lethbridge, Alberta for a hearing involving some of the Coutts truckers. Until then,

00:44:01.180 on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.

00:44:04.540 And we will keep fighting for freedom.

00:44:14.220 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - November 07, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ To be candid, I am more worried about life in Canada than Israel following the Jewish 9⧸11

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