Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Tommy Robinson arrested for peacefully covering pro-Israel rally journalistically

00:00:00.000 You're listening to a real news broadcast.

00:00:13.840 You're fighting for freedom. 0.80

00:00:17.140 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:00:20.300 You're fighting for freedom.

00:00:50.300 A grave problem in the United Kingdom.

00:00:52.400 As you might have seen from my visit to London a few weeks ago and our reporter Alexa Lavoie's visit more recently,

00:00:58.400 hundreds of thousands of pro-Hamas hate marchers have taken to the streets with shocking calls to arms.

00:01:05.460 And just yesterday, a terrorist group called Hizbut Tahrir, which has banned in many countries but apparently not in the United Kingdom,

00:01:11.980 they had outrageous rallies in the street calling for Muslim armies of jihad.

00:01:17.200 So today is the attempt by the anti-Hamas, the pro-Jewish and pro-Western forces, to have a peaceful protest.

00:01:25.580 If you look around, there's an enormous number of police in yellow jackets.

00:01:30.900 They've closed off central London to vehicle traffic.

00:01:33.460 I had to walk here.

00:01:34.820 They obviously do not want a terrorist attack or even a non-violent altercation with the pro-Hamas forces,

00:01:44.060 of which there are hundreds of thousands.

00:01:45.640 We've seen that.

00:01:46.760 I came here a little bit early because I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything.

00:01:50.080 And I was going into the Soho coffee shop just to get a morning java.

00:01:53.220 And who do I encounter in there but Tommy Robinson?

00:01:56.820 Oh, let's get off the street a bit.

00:01:58.500 Tommy Robinson, who I mentioned before, I would attend this very court to hear his cases.

00:02:03.100 He was a rebel alumnus a few years ago.

00:02:05.460 He did some reporting for us.

00:02:06.600 Now he does reporting in his own right.

00:02:08.980 And he's come here in that capacity, he tells me.

00:02:13.160 He's here to report as a friend of the Jews and as a critic of radical Islam.

00:02:18.120 And I can testify from personal knowledge that he is both of those things.

00:02:22.460 I went inside to have a chat with him and here's what he told me.

00:02:26.480 Tommy, I'm bumping into you.

00:02:27.680 I should have known you'd be here.

00:02:28.960 I came in for the march against anti-Semitism.

00:02:31.420 And I came in here just to warm up and here you are.

00:02:33.980 Tell me what you're doing and why you're here.

00:02:35.840 I've come down to give a report to do journalism.

00:02:39.360 The Met Police have just come in here.

00:02:41.040 Ten minutes ago, eight of them.

00:02:42.840 They've said that my presence can cause alarm and distress and I have to vacate London.

00:02:46.560 And if I don't vacate London, they name the senior officer.

00:02:50.120 I'll be put under arrest.

00:02:51.740 I pointed out to them that what's causing alarm distress at the minute is people calling

00:02:56.140 for jihad on the streets of our capital.

00:02:58.620 The same organisation that stood and demanded jihad, his but to hear, who abandoned most

00:03:02.240 Arab nations.

00:03:03.300 They'd done that three weeks ago.

00:03:05.120 They were allowed permission again yesterday by Sadiq Khan to again stand on the streets

00:03:09.860 and call for Muslim armies.

00:03:12.080 This is causing us alarm distress.

00:03:13.820 It's certainly causing the Jewish community alarm distress. 1.00

00:03:15.580 But no one, none of them get arrested.

00:03:17.740 There's no clamp down.

00:03:18.780 What they've done today is, I believe in freedom of the press.

00:03:21.200 I'm a journalist.

00:03:21.840 If we start allowing the state to decide or the police to decide who can and can't report,

00:03:25.480 we're in dangerous time.

00:03:26.240 So I'm here to report.

00:03:27.540 When I leave here, I'm going to attempt to report.

00:03:29.420 But I believe I'll end up probably in the cells and probably in jail.

00:03:32.520 You know, I was just out there briefly.

00:03:34.500 I don't think you're causing alarm or distress.

00:03:36.680 I don't even think anyone knows you're here.

00:03:38.200 I don't think people here are worried about Tommy Robinson or, frankly, football ads or anything

00:03:44.020 like that.

00:03:44.500 I think they're worried about hundreds of thousands of jihadists and jihadist supporters.

00:03:49.740 Yeah.

00:03:50.120 Screaming from the river to the sea.

00:03:52.160 Screaming.

00:03:52.680 Hit the slogan.

00:03:53.360 Screaming.

00:03:54.340 And, again, we haven't seen any strong leadership from the police.

00:03:58.020 Nothing.

00:03:58.360 The only time they've been strong, if you see the footage, was five minutes going in.

00:04:01.700 Like, all of them, he's basically shouting at me, no, you will not.

00:04:05.180 You will do as we say.

00:04:07.260 And I said, I've got a breakfast.

00:04:08.340 You're not having your breakfast.

00:04:09.320 I said, well, I am having my breakfast.

00:04:11.540 They're totally intimidating.

00:04:12.360 And look, let me read you.

00:04:13.240 The police put out a statement yesterday.

00:04:15.100 And their statement says, which has just been totally contradicted,

00:04:18.500 the right of the press to freely report on protest is no less important than the right

00:04:22.100 to protest itself.

00:04:22.900 They should be able to do so without facing intimidation and aggression.

00:04:26.300 I just pointed out to him, you're the one who's come and intimidated me.

00:04:29.220 I'm facing your aggression.

00:04:30.820 I'm here to make a report.

00:04:31.960 I'm here at work.

00:04:32.660 I haven't turned up with lots of men.

00:04:34.120 I've turned up with my cameraman to get my breakfast and do my report.

00:04:39.040 Right.

00:04:39.300 Well, listen, I'm going to be standing by.

00:04:40.900 I mean, we're here a little bit early.

00:04:42.640 And we won't go far because if you're arrested, that'll just be incredible.

00:04:46.540 That's the two-tiered policing that Suella Braverman talked about. 0.97

00:04:49.660 Well, the point being, you've actually got radical jihadist groups, yeah,

00:04:53.640 who are being given permission to continually promote this hatred.

00:04:56.680 The police aren't clamping down on them.

00:04:57.900 They're not arresting their leaders for calling for jihad.

00:04:59.620 In fact, the Met Police come out and made excuses for their calls for jihad.

00:05:02.960 Oh, jihad has lots of different meanings.

00:05:04.880 Not when they're calling for armies, it's not.

00:05:06.560 And screaming al-Akbar.

00:05:07.940 We know what they're saying. 0.68

00:05:09.160 Anyone with half a brain knows what they're saying.

00:05:10.680 The police continually bend over backwards from...

00:05:12.760 They're continually enforcing in front of...

00:05:14.480 All they're going to do is, in front of the public today,

00:05:16.640 is show everyone where they stand again.

00:05:18.580 They don't believe in freedom of the press.

00:05:20.040 They don't believe in the right to write my free speech.

00:05:22.980 They want to arrest me.

00:05:23.940 I'm not going to cause any alarm distress here.

00:05:25.360 I'm just going to calmly talk to people,

00:05:27.160 ask them why they're here, see what they think of the police.

00:05:29.780 Do you know one fact, yeah?

00:05:31.380 Just because people keep going on.

00:05:33.060 Hitler's book, Mein Kampf, is 7% Jew hatred.

00:05:37.180 The Quran is 9%. 0.98

00:05:38.360 Okay?

00:05:39.280 So if people want to understand what's going on,

00:05:40.820 the Hadith is 12%.

00:05:42.300 If people...

00:05:43.340 The Surah is 11%.

00:05:45.280 If people wish to understand what's going on,

00:05:47.240 take it out of the equation.

00:05:48.680 This hatred is there.

00:05:49.560 If you want to understand why hundreds of thousands of people

00:05:51.380 march on the streets, screaming these slogans,

00:05:53.960 it's because from the age of four,

00:05:54.960 they've been indoctrinated into this mindset in this book.

00:05:57.620 That's why.

00:05:58.220 And unless you have an open discussion,

00:06:00.240 and certainly the leaders of demonstrations like this

00:06:02.700 are brave enough to talk about this, yeah?

00:06:05.100 This war can stop, right?

00:06:06.980 The hatred ain't going to stop.

00:06:08.900 It's here.

00:06:09.720 And it's not only been since 1948.

00:06:12.520 It's 1,400 years old.

00:06:14.480 I've got verse after verse after verse after verse in the Quran,

00:06:17.620 which talks about Jew hatred. 0.99

00:06:19.180 It talks about them being monkeys and swines. 0.99

00:06:21.860 It's there.

00:06:22.600 And it's written in a book.

00:06:23.600 And unless you challenge it,

00:06:24.560 as I said, Mein Kampf is a banned book.

00:06:26.960 The Quran is a celebrated book.

00:06:28.640 It's celebrated by our politicians.

00:06:29.940 It's actually funded by our taxpayers' money

00:06:31.420 to promote and push this ideology.

00:06:33.340 And anyone who speaks out against it

00:06:34.440 or tries to make people aware of the danger of where we're at.

00:06:38.300 For the last four weeks, people have seen the danger now.

00:06:40.520 They get it, yeah?

00:06:41.580 But we've been warned about it for 15 years.

00:06:43.260 We've been isolated, beaten down,

00:06:44.380 and what you're about to see now with the police is their tactic.

00:06:47.460 Silence all opposition.

00:06:48.840 If they have to arrest them and end freedom of the press,

00:06:51.140 they don't care.

00:06:51.920 If they have to lock people up, they don't care.

00:06:53.800 They'll continue to appease the Islamic jihadist mindset 0.99

00:06:57.500 and tackle anyone who speaks against it.

00:06:59.940 Let me ask you one more quick question,

00:07:01.240 then I'll let you get back to finishing breakfast.

00:07:02.940 I look around the world.

00:07:06.360 In Argentina, a new president named Javier Mille is elected,

00:07:10.860 and he has actually waved an Israeli flag

00:07:13.340 and denounced Hamas.

00:07:15.640 In the Netherlands,

00:07:18.000 Gert Wilders came in first in the parliamentary elections,

00:07:22.000 and he has a very hard line, yeah.

00:07:25.760 What do you make of this global counter-ballot?

00:07:28.700 If you look at the countries that haven't,

00:07:29.840 if you look at what Belgium's done, 0.99

00:07:30.880 which has totally appeased Hamas, 0.60

00:07:32.080 it's because they're terrified of the radical jihadist population

00:07:34.360 they've got in their country, yeah?

00:07:35.940 And the people have spoken in Holland.

00:07:37.560 The people continue to speak in a populist way.

00:07:40.000 I know Gert Wilders.

00:07:40.740 I learned from Gert Wilders from the very start of my activism.

00:07:43.620 I learned from his bravery, his courage, and his statements.

00:07:45.920 And he was very early on,

00:07:47.620 if Israel falls, Europe falls. 0.65

00:07:49.680 If you haven't seen how emboldened they've become 1.00

00:07:51.420 by murdering 1,500 Jews and raping and torturing them, 0.98

00:07:54.140 if you haven't seen how emboldened they've come from that, 0.97

00:07:56.640 how emboldened do you think they'll come

00:07:57.880 if they wipe Israel off the face of the planet? 0.84

00:07:59.820 Do you think they're going to stop?

00:08:01.300 This battle's been coming through Europe for 1,400 years.

00:08:04.120 The attack on...

00:08:04.740 They're saying Saturday 1st, then come Sunday.

00:08:07.540 They're going to do the Jews, 1.00

00:08:08.340 and they're going to do the Christians.

00:08:09.380 They're openly saying it.

00:08:10.700 It's not me saying it.

00:08:11.900 They're stating it in mosques across this country.

00:08:13.860 You keep seeing the recordings.

00:08:15.680 That's the mosques that are speaking English.

00:08:17.680 90% of the imams don't speak English.

00:08:18.980 We don't know what they're saying.

00:08:20.260 But every time you keep seeing the videos released

00:08:21.940 over the last four weeks,

00:08:22.780 it's something we've been warning against.

00:08:24.520 It's the only real hate speech.

00:08:26.820 They keep arresting people under these hate speech legislations.

00:08:29.520 It's been very apparent to the public

00:08:30.840 that these hate speech legislations

00:08:32.420 are brought in to silence people,

00:08:33.980 not to actually stop hate speech.

00:08:35.560 Because if they wanted to stop hate speech,

00:08:36.700 they'd be locking up these imams 1.00

00:08:38.380 who are standing calling for jihad,

00:08:40.260 locking up these imams 1.00

00:08:41.300 who are using derogatory terms for Jews and Christians.

00:08:44.080 But they're not.

00:08:45.020 And as we'll see in a minute,

00:08:46.780 the only time the police get brave...

00:08:48.600 Have you seen them draw their batons?

00:08:49.620 Have you seen them on any of these jihadists?

00:08:52.100 Yeah?

00:08:52.540 They actually walk the other way.

00:08:53.800 They're literally letting them

00:08:55.300 take over our capital city every Saturday.

00:08:57.360 Not just our capital city,

00:08:58.280 across the country.

00:08:59.600 So jail hate preachers. 0.99

00:09:00.940 They're not going to jail any hate preachers.

00:09:02.080 They're going to jail journalists

00:09:02.960 that turn up to talk about it.

00:09:03.940 So we're waiting outside now.

00:09:06.500 Tommy says he's going to be arrested

00:09:08.700 momentarily by the police

00:09:10.680 who want him outside the city.

00:09:13.440 It is an amazing paradox or irony

00:09:16.460 or a cruel joke

00:09:19.260 that Sadeq Khan's police

00:09:20.900 that will abide any jihadist calls

00:09:23.960 on the street by true anti-Semites 0.61

00:09:26.180 will have threatened

00:09:28.840 the one pro-Israel activist journalist

00:09:31.920 with arrest if he doesn't get out of town.

00:09:34.640 We'll stick around a bit

00:09:35.560 and see how that goes.

00:09:37.020 My main purpose here

00:09:38.060 was to talk to the pro-Israel marchers

00:09:40.460 to get a read on the pulse of the UK.

00:09:42.900 Is it safe for Jews in 2023 in this country? 1.00

00:09:47.780 And does the Jewish community, 0.98

00:09:49.400 which has typically supported

00:09:50.860 open borders immigration

00:09:52.540 and progressive woke ideals,

00:09:55.040 both of which have metastasized

00:09:57.380 into this Frankenstein monster of anti-Semitism,

00:10:00.540 does the Jewish community have any regret 1.00

00:10:02.100 for calling for open borders

00:10:03.900 and woke progressive schooling,

00:10:05.800 which is now devouring them?

00:10:07.840 This is a question I hope to put to marchers today.

00:10:09.920 But for now, we're watching the arrest

00:10:12.060 of the least dangerous man in London,

00:10:15.280 Tommy Robinson.

00:10:15.900 Let's see if they go ahead with that

00:10:17.060 or if that was them just puffing out their chest

00:10:19.040 trying to scare them out of town.

00:10:20.940 Tommy, they say they're going to arrest you.

00:10:23.400 They say they're going to arrest me, yeah.

00:10:25.540 When you see these abuse of powers by the police,

00:10:28.660 who, Sowella Braveman lost their job,

00:10:31.060 they couldn't stop them marching on Armatier's Day.

00:10:32.940 They can't stop them calling for jihad.

00:10:34.380 His parts of here are prescribed in most nations.

00:10:36.780 Every Arab nation,

00:10:37.780 they're a prescribed terrorist organization. 0.95

00:10:39.000 They're standing on the streets yesterday

00:10:40.460 in this capital city, 0.90

00:10:41.540 calling for Muslim armies against Jews, yeah. 1.00

00:10:44.300 Yet they're going to arrest me.

00:10:45.600 I'm just here to do a report,

00:10:46.820 to do my job, that's it.

00:10:48.380 How are you, darling?

00:10:49.260 I'm good, how are you?

00:10:50.200 You all right?

00:10:50.600 I'm good.

00:10:51.260 How are you?

00:10:51.920 Yeah, well.

00:10:52.500 Do you mind if I ask you a question?

00:10:53.660 You can ask me a question.

00:10:54.620 Have you got any alarm and distress in me being here?

00:10:56.820 No.

00:10:57.420 The police have said that my presence here

00:10:58.800 is going to cause people alarm and distress.

00:11:00.480 I've not found anyone yet.

00:11:02.060 I've found no one.

00:11:02.840 Here they come.

00:11:03.640 Here they come.

00:11:04.100 They're going to come.

00:11:04.600 They're going to bother you.

00:11:05.560 Yeah, they're coming up there.

00:11:06.460 They are going to bother you.

00:11:08.320 No.

00:11:08.600 So, I'm just here to do my job as a journalist.

00:11:14.700 When we start allowing the state to decide

00:11:16.320 who can report and who can't report,

00:11:17.660 we've got a problem, yeah?

00:11:18.620 That's fascism.

00:11:19.660 When they want to control who is media and who isn't.

00:11:23.840 I've not found one person yet.

00:11:25.340 Have you?

00:11:26.680 I'm here to do my job as a journalist.

00:11:32.940 Who do you work for?

00:11:34.580 Who do you work for?

00:11:35.880 Who do you work for?

00:11:37.520 Sky News.

00:11:38.160 Your reporting on this conflict has been an absolute disgrace. 0.77

00:11:41.320 Kay Burley's a disgrace. 0.93

00:11:42.700 You have taken the side of Hamas. 0.87

00:11:44.760 You have pushed propaganda from Hamas.

00:11:46.920 The figures you use are from Hamas.

00:11:48.860 Don't tell me I'm a disgrace.

00:11:50.380 Don't ask me.

00:11:52.260 Excuse me, officer.

00:11:53.000 What's going on?

00:11:54.300 What's going on?

00:11:55.260 What's the matter?

00:11:55.880 I'm just going to issue a dispersal notice.

00:11:57.720 What are you doing?

00:11:59.260 Just leave him.

00:12:00.020 Leave him. 0.78

00:12:00.460 Leave him. 0.78

00:12:00.760 Leave him. 0.78

00:12:01.260 Leave him. 0.78

00:12:02.080 Okay.

00:12:02.600 I'm just here to do my job, lads.

00:12:04.100 Bye.

00:12:04.880 Bye.

00:12:05.160 Bye.

00:12:05.340 Bye.

00:12:05.720 Bye.

00:12:05.900 Bye.

00:12:06.000 Bye.

00:12:06.020 Bye.

00:12:06.500 Bye.

00:12:07.560 Bye.

00:12:08.040 Do we have freedom of the press or not?

00:12:09.880 You do know who's a supporter of Israel.

00:12:11.340 Do you know who's a supporter of Israel?

00:12:12.640 Section 35.

00:12:13.980 Do you know who's a supporter of Israel?

00:12:14.680 Who am I causing alarm distress to?

00:12:15.900 The police dispersal power.

00:12:17.240 Who am I causing alarm distress to?

00:12:19.660 Antitrust of the danger of the Crime and Police in at 2014.

00:12:23.780 Who am I causing alarm distress to?

00:12:25.460 Please listen to me.

00:12:26.060 No, you tell me.

00:12:26.960 So on the 26th of November is the date.

00:12:28.720 Tell me.

00:12:29.060 The time by my watch now is...

00:12:31.100 I'm sorry, officer, but I have a job and I believe in freedom of the press.

00:12:33.480 You may not.

00:12:34.640 13.20.

00:12:34.800 You may not.

00:12:34.980 Sadiq Khan may not.

00:12:36.020 Mark Rowdy may not.

00:12:36.920 But I believe in freedom of the press.

00:12:38.380 I'm here to do my job and the police do not dictate...

00:12:40.060 Our incident number is 2563.

00:12:43.440 The location is Strand in London.

00:12:45.980 Can I ask for your name?

00:12:48.240 Can I take your name?

00:12:49.320 You're causing me in alarm distress.

00:12:50.800 You're causing all these people here in alarm distress.

00:12:52.480 I'm a journalist and I'm here to do my work.

00:12:55.100 I'm here to do my job.

00:12:56.700 If you refuse to give me your name and address, the reality is this will end up being dispersed and get arrested.

00:13:02.440 So are you telling...

00:13:03.940 Stop, stop.

00:13:04.720 Are you going to give me your address?

00:13:07.380 Why are you doing this?

00:13:08.340 Why are you doing this?

00:13:09.260 So I'm going to ask you one more time.

00:13:10.760 Why don't you treat jihadists like this? 0.99

00:13:12.660 Why don't you treat jihadists like this? 0.99

00:13:14.380 Why don't you treat Hamas like this? 0.99

00:13:16.220 You can dress up as Hamas terrorist in our cabinet. 0.80

00:13:18.540 I have now declined to give me your name and address.

00:13:20.740 You know my name.

00:13:21.400 I'm not going to give you my address on camera, am I?

00:13:23.400 No, I haven't.

00:13:24.400 No, I haven't.

00:13:25.400 My name's Stephen Lennon.

00:13:26.400 Let me write that down, Stephen.

00:13:27.400 You're not writing my address down. 1.00

00:13:28.400 Don't be silly. 1.00

00:13:29.400 In front of all these cameras. 0.99

00:13:30.400 You want me to give my address?

00:13:31.400 What is your problem?

00:13:32.400 I'm here as a journalist.

00:13:33.400 What's your problem?

00:13:34.400 What's your problem?

00:13:35.400 So why are you giving me a...

00:13:36.400 Why don't you give...

00:13:37.400 Why don't you give the terrorists?

00:13:38.400 You know the men who climb up our memorials.

00:13:40.400 Why don't you do your job on them?

00:13:41.400 Why do you pat them on the back?

00:13:43.400 Why don't you stop...

00:13:44.400 Is it a V or a P?

00:13:45.400 You're still not giving me your name.

00:13:46.400 Why are you putting me down there?

00:13:48.400 What for?

00:13:49.400 Stephen, is it a V or a P?

00:13:51.400 Okay.

00:13:52.400 Sarge, I'm talking to this officer.

00:13:54.400 Why am I being dispersed?

00:13:56.400 Why am I being dispersed?

00:13:57.400 Why am I being dispersed?

00:13:58.400 Why am I being dispersed?

00:13:59.400 Why am I being dispersed?

00:14:00.400 Why am I being dispersed?

00:14:01.400 Why am I being dispersed?

00:14:02.400 I'm going to get to that part in a minute.

00:14:04.400 Sarge! 0.60

00:14:05.400 Yeah?

00:14:06.400 Look at this.

00:14:07.400 Look at this.

00:14:08.400 Have you seen any of this for Hamas? 0.90

00:14:09.400 Stephen.

00:14:10.400 Date of birth?

00:14:11.400 27th, 11th, 1982.

00:14:17.400 I don't see anyone has a problem with me here.

00:14:19.400 Okay.

00:14:20.400 No one has a problem with me here.

00:14:22.400 As Jews, we don't support the police in this.

00:14:25.400 Go and arrest Mr Sawala. 0.76

00:14:27.400 As Jews, they don't support the police. 0.99

00:14:28.400 Go and arrest Mr Sawala instead.

00:14:30.400 Are you trying to endanger my family?

00:14:31.400 No, I don't. 1.00

00:14:32.400 Don't be so stupid then. 1.00

00:14:33.400 We don't support the police in this. 1.00

00:14:34.400 You're asking me to give my address on all these cameras.

00:14:36.400 You're creating a problem.

00:14:37.400 You're purposely doing that as well.

00:14:39.400 I'm not going to do it.

00:14:40.400 I'm not.

00:14:41.400 Yes, you are.

00:14:42.400 So, you dispersed in the area.

00:14:43.400 City of London.

00:14:44.400 Royal Blanchett.

00:14:45.400 No freedom of the press.

00:14:46.400 Do you believe in freedom of the press?

00:14:47.400 Hamden, as far as Houston.

00:14:49.400 Okay, okay.

00:14:50.400 But not including Houston Street.

00:14:52.400 Okay.

00:14:53.400 The direction is you now leave immediately.

00:14:55.400 Can I reply to that?

00:14:56.400 Okay.

00:14:57.400 Can I reply to that quickly?

00:14:58.400 This notice is now for 24 hours.

00:14:59.400 Can I?

00:15:00.400 Officer, can I reply to that please?

00:15:01.400 You must leave a locality.

00:15:02.400 Officer, can I reply to that please?

00:15:03.400 Of always, you need to go right down King Street to the way of Haybourne train station.

00:15:08.400 And the grounds of this is your presence is likely to call harassment, alarm and distress

00:15:14.400 to attendees at the march.

00:15:16.400 Okay.

00:15:17.400 Sorry.

00:15:18.400 I'm going to now fill this in.

00:15:19.400 Go on.

00:15:20.400 Officer, can I reply?

00:15:21.400 This was a Metronum police force yesterday.

00:15:22.400 The right of the press to freely report on protest is no less important than the right

00:15:26.400 to the protest itself.

00:15:27.400 They should be able to do so without facing intimidation and aggression, officer.

00:15:31.400 Officer spoke with the journalist and her team following the incident.

00:15:34.400 I'm a member of the press.

00:15:35.400 I'm at work.

00:15:36.400 Yeah.

00:15:37.400 I'm not.

00:15:38.400 Is anyone here caused alarm and distress by my presence here?

00:15:40.400 No.

00:15:41.400 Ladies.

00:15:42.400 Everyone's Jewish here.

00:15:43.400 There's no one who's caused alarm and distress.

00:15:44.400 No one has come up to you and said anything about me.

00:15:47.400 You are working under the orders of Sadiq Khan and Mark Rowley.

00:15:50.400 Mark Rowley is an apologist for Kamas.

00:15:52.400 They're apologists for jihad.

00:15:53.400 And the British public are fed up of your total policing.

00:15:55.400 I'll write that if you refuse your regrets, but I understand why.

00:15:58.400 Officer, I'm here to do my job.

00:16:00.400 So you're just doing your job.

00:16:01.400 I heard that.

00:16:02.400 I heard that.

00:16:03.400 I heard that.

00:16:04.400 About 19...

00:16:05.400 I heard that about 1940.

00:16:07.400 I'm a German.

00:16:08.400 It's the same as you.

00:16:09.400 I'm here to do my job.

00:16:10.400 I heard the Germans saying I'm only doing my job.

00:16:11.400 The difference is I don't put a pro-Hamas slant on it.

00:16:13.400 Like you lot.

00:16:14.400 Yeah.

00:16:15.400 I'm just here to do my job.

00:16:16.400 That's my cameraman.

00:16:17.400 I'm at work.

00:16:18.400 Do you think a member of the press should be arrested?

00:16:20.400 Is there anyone joining us?

00:16:45.400 Out of order.

00:16:46.400 Out of order.

00:16:47.400 Out of order!

00:16:53.400 Out of order!

00:17:09.400 Leave him alone! 1.00

00:17:11.400 Out of order!

00:17:13.400 Leave him alone! 1.00

00:17:15.400 Move! 0.97

00:17:17.400 Move! 0.97

00:17:19.400 Move! 0.97

00:17:21.400 Move! 0.97

00:17:23.400 Move! 0.97

00:17:25.400 Move back! 0.99

00:17:27.400 Move back! 0.99

00:17:29.400 Move back! 0.99

00:17:31.400 Move back! 0.99

00:17:33.400 Move out of the way! 1.00

00:17:35.400 You'll be arrested!

00:17:37.400 I don't care!

00:17:39.400 Please just move out of the way! 1.00

00:17:41.400 Move back! 0.99

00:17:43.400 Keep moving!

00:17:45.400 Keep moving!

00:17:47.400 Move! 0.97

00:17:49.400 He's a friend of Israel.

00:17:51.400 He's been there.

00:17:53.400 He's anti-jihadist.

00:17:55.400 Why would they arrest him?

00:17:57.400 The police didn't arrest them.

00:17:59.400 So there you go.

00:18:01.400 Do you think Suella Braverman was right about two-tier policing?

00:18:05.400 I think the police need jolly good shake-up.

00:18:09.400 There's a lot of rotten in the police.

00:18:11.400 Are you ashamed of the police?

00:18:13.400 Yeah, I am.

00:18:14.400 Well, look, they've just arrested a guy who didn't do anything.

00:18:17.400 Just because he's who he is.

00:18:19.400 He won't even go anywhere without being arrested.

00:18:23.400 I don't know what they're charging him with.

00:18:25.400 Disturbing the police.

00:18:27.400 It wasn't he that was disturbing the police.

00:18:29.400 Well, I'm here outside the coffee shop where, just a few minutes ago, Tommy Robinson left the coffee shop after eating breakfast.

00:18:37.400 He was here doing journalism.

00:18:39.400 He's got his own website and he has done journalism and documentaries for years.

00:18:43.400 As you may remember, years ago he used to work for Rebel News.

00:18:47.400 When he stepped outside the coffee shop, a team of police who had been waiting for him for an hour went up to him and tried to issue him some sort of notice for causing a disturbance.

00:18:58.400 He asked what disturbance he had caused.

00:19:00.400 They wouldn't answer.

00:19:01.400 He asked who had complained.

00:19:02.400 They wouldn't answer.

00:19:03.400 They demanded his name.

00:19:04.400 Of course, they knew it in advance.

00:19:06.400 And they wanted him to say, when all the media cameras were rolling, his home address.

00:19:10.400 He refused to, for safety reasons.

00:19:12.400 Look, none of it mattered.

00:19:14.400 They had their plan.

00:19:15.400 They took him, arrested him, and bundled them away.

00:19:18.400 I just spoke to a number of people here who pointed out the two-tiered policing.

00:19:24.400 Tommy Robinson, who's a friend of Israel and a friend of the Jews, bundled off because the police say so, whereas hordes of jihadists chanting death to the Jews in Arabic, chanting from the river to the sea, which is a call for genocide.

00:19:39.400 They're allowed the key to the city by Mayor Sadiq Khan and his political police force.

00:19:48.400 I've been thinking about who was at those pro-Hamas marches.

00:19:53.400 About 75% people who are Muslim, either British-born Muslims or foreign Muslims who are not yet citizens.

00:20:03.400 And about 20% woke, progressive, left-wing, old-stock Brits, white folks, who are just radical.

00:20:11.400 And I have to think that both of those components, the open borders, immigration, unvetted immigration, and the woke progressives, the Jewish community has historically been for those things.

00:20:23.400 For open borders, immigration, and for progressive, left-wing politics.

00:20:28.400 Do you think the Jewish community understands that they created those problems for themselves? 1.00

00:20:34.400 We create problems for ourselves.

00:20:36.400 By supporting open borders, immigration? 0.98

00:20:38.400 Not at all. We're not creating problems for ourselves. We're not creating problems in the country.

00:20:42.400 My family came here in the 1800s because of the Russian pogroms.

00:20:46.400 I'm not saying you did it or I did it, but I'm thinking of... Let me give you an example. Adam Wagner, who's a Jewish civil rights lawyer in the city.

00:20:55.400 Very pro-Israel, by the way. But he's absolutely for open borders, immigration, and he's absolutely a woke, progressive leftist.

00:21:02.400 I'm not blaming him personally, but the ideas of open borders, immigration, and the ideas of woke politics, that's what led to this problem, don't you think?

00:21:14.400 I think you're confusing many different things. I think there's nothing wrong with understanding the importance of immigration, of understanding the importance of bringing people and helping people who want to come from other countries to be part of this wonderful country.

00:21:30.400 Do you think we should put the brakes on Muslim immigration? 1.00

00:21:33.400 No, absolutely not. No, absolutely not. The problem is not Muslims. The problem is right-wing, nasty, fascist, Muslim fundamentalists. 0.99

00:21:45.400 The real problem is anti-Semitism in the Muslim community. Anti-Semitism is not compatible with Western values. 1.00

00:21:52.400 And that's the problem. Not the fact that people are coming here, because there are wonderful people who come here as well.

00:21:57.400 So you don't want to slow down on immigration from countries?

00:22:03.400 That is an oversimplification of the problem.

00:22:05.400 Will you give me a better solution?

00:22:07.400 I can't give you a better solution, but that's not a solution. A better solution is not stopping people coming into a country and becoming more right-wing than this country had ever been before.

00:22:15.400 So you're calling jihadists right-wing?

00:22:17.400 Of course they are. Jihadists are right-wing. They're fascists. They're fascists because they don't want any other voices or views to be aired. They're the right way. They're the only way.

00:22:27.400 So what percentage of British Muslims do you think share those views?

00:22:32.400 I don't know.

00:22:33.400 Well, I saw hundreds of thousands in the streets.

00:22:35.400 Okay. And that's a problem.

00:22:37.400 But you're still for open borders immigration?

00:22:39.400 It's not about that.

00:22:40.400 I think it is. I mean, record immigration from countries that have an endemic anti-Semitism problem. 0.72

00:22:46.400 Again, I tell you, this is an oversimplification of the problem.

00:22:51.400 You keep saying that, but you haven't proposed a single thing other than restating your own liberal values to people who are about to devour you.

00:22:59.400 They're not going to devour me. Not in this country.

00:23:01.400 They've said it.

00:23:02.400 Of course they are. Of course they want to, but that's why we need to march against anti-Semitism. We need to...

00:23:07.400 What's the march going to do? I mean, quite frankly, what's the march going to do other than make you feel better?

00:23:11.400 It's going to make you feel better.

00:23:12.400 That's the same with any march. That's what we're doing here.

00:23:15.400 We're working together to recognize the fact that we are a free people being able to express our views in a free country and a free democracy.

00:23:21.400 And we have to send that message loud and clear that that is what this country is about.

00:23:25.400 I think you're afraid of being called racist.

00:23:27.400 I'm not afraid of being called racist. I'm certainly not going to be called racist for saying that there are significant problems in the Muslim community with anti-Semitism.

00:23:35.400 That's the real problem.

00:23:37.400 Open borders are causing problems right throughout Europe.

00:23:41.400 The kind of people that are coming into Europe who are culturally distanced. 0.92

00:23:44.400 They have values that are incompatible with those of Western civilization.

00:23:48.400 And when people like the chap that you were just talking to promotes open borders or supports open borders, these really are self-inflicted wounds that we're imposing upon ourselves.

00:23:58.400 Western Europe and European peoples have to maintain their values and their identity and their way of life.

00:24:07.400 And we are bringing in too many people into Europe whose views are totally incompatible with our own. 0.98

00:24:14.400 And we are causing real problems.

00:24:16.400 Look at Ireland just the other day.

00:24:18.400 There's a classic example.

00:24:20.400 And these levels of immigration are unsustainable. 0.99

00:24:23.400 They cannot continue.

00:24:25.400 They weaken social solidarity.

00:24:27.400 They undermine our national identity.

00:24:29.400 And we are bringing in people who hate us and our way of life.

00:24:33.400 And we need to deal with that problem.

00:24:35.400 Okay.

00:24:36.400 So who is championing this idea?

00:24:40.400 I see in the Netherlands that Geert Wilders got a lot of votes and he has talked about freezing immigration.

00:24:48.400 But in the United Kingdom, Labour and the Conservatives are both open borders parties.

00:24:55.400 They are.

00:24:56.400 They're globalist parties.

00:24:57.400 We call them the Uni Party.

00:25:00.400 And you can't differentiate between them.

00:25:03.400 So I don't know what to do about this situation.

00:25:07.400 And I don't know.

00:25:08.400 The British people are absolutely fed up with it.

00:25:11.400 They're sick to death of it.

00:25:12.400 They've made their views known about immigration for decades and decades.

00:25:17.400 And yet the main parties simply ignore the British people, treat them with contempt.

00:25:22.400 Okay.

00:25:23.400 Now I don't know these latest figures that have come out, three quarters, 750,000.

00:25:29.400 This has caused a big stir.

00:25:31.400 I don't know whether this is going to have an impact on reducing immigration numbers.

00:25:35.400 I don't have a lot of faith in the political class.

00:25:38.400 But we are not heading for a good place with these unsustainable levels of immigration. 1.00

00:25:43.400 I saw some of the pro-Hamas marches in recent weeks in London.

00:25:47.400 And the overwhelming number of people are Muslim immigrants or some of them are first-generation Brits.

00:25:53.400 But many of them are foreign nationals.

00:25:55.400 And some sort of woke progressives.

00:26:00.400 And I'm wondering if that's the problem.

00:26:04.400 Open borders, immigration of people from countries that are endemically anti-Semitic.

00:26:09.400 Like if you bring over thousands of people or millions of people from countries that everyone sort of hates Jews,

00:26:14.400 it's no surprise that they bring that with them.

00:26:17.400 I don't understand why people who call themselves left liberals are supporting Hamas. 0.67

00:26:24.400 Hamas is a terrorist group.

00:26:26.400 Why do you think they're doing it? 0.80

00:26:27.400 Because they are doing it.

00:26:28.400 Because they're not very well informed.

00:26:30.400 They don't understand.

00:26:31.400 Well, maybe.

00:26:32.400 But they can certainly quote lots of statistics to you.

00:26:36.400 Yes, but I mean, if they were gay, trans, or a woman and went to those countries, let them see all their liberties taken away and see what they think about it.

00:26:45.400 So you're worried about anti-Semitism.

00:26:48.400 Your kids are in college.

00:26:50.400 They're worried.

00:26:51.400 It's a tough time.

00:26:52.400 They're outnumbered.

00:26:53.400 You agree with me that some of these places are anti-Semitic endemically.

00:26:57.400 But you're not against pumping the brakes on unvetted anti-Semitic immigration.

00:27:03.400 Truth will win through in the end.

00:27:05.400 Don't you see that you've created, you're supporting the monster that's destroying you?

00:27:10.400 Truth will win through in the end.

00:27:11.400 No, it won't.

00:27:12.400 Do you think Pakistan or Syria or Afghanistan are suddenly going to become philo-Semitic?

00:27:18.400 Truth will win through in the end.

00:27:20.400 Yeah, I'd love your view.

00:27:21.400 Please do.

00:27:22.400 It's not just a case, you know, the issue isn't just immigration.

00:27:26.400 I know.

00:27:27.400 It's also adopting British values.

00:27:29.400 Excellent, yes.

00:27:30.400 That's not happening.

00:27:31.400 Right.

00:27:32.400 Not adopting British values.

00:27:33.400 They're not being taught British values.

00:27:35.400 A lot of Brits are unconfident about what our good British values are.

00:27:40.400 I think you're right.

00:27:41.400 I think that's at the crux of the problem because in Britain we've always debated fiercely.

00:27:48.400 We've had very, you know, you could say extreme views.

00:27:51.400 But I think on the whole we're pretty polite about it.

00:27:54.400 We agree to differ.

00:27:56.400 We can walk away and say, okay, we agree to differ.

00:27:59.400 Let's live and let live.

00:28:00.400 That's what's not happening.

00:28:03.400 And so I think there's two parts.

00:28:06.400 One is the tap is open full speed.

00:28:10.400 And the other is those who are here, we're not trying to integrate them or assimilate them.

00:28:14.400 Something's failing.

00:28:15.400 Do you share your husband's view?

00:28:17.400 Integration.

00:28:18.400 Integration.

00:28:19.400 So integration.

00:28:20.400 Do you share your wife's view on integration?

00:28:22.400 I think that more education needs to be done.

00:28:25.400 I think we need to make sure that people are properly integrated.

00:28:28.400 I think we do a better job than in some other countries.

00:28:31.400 I mean, France has had huge problems with integrating people.

00:28:36.400 And do you not see the same issue in France, unfettered, unbridled, unlimited, unrestricted, unvetted immigration? 0.89

00:28:47.400 You just don't think that's the problem?

00:28:51.400 Well, I think that we owe a duty to a lot of these countries because of the colonial past.

00:28:59.400 Really?

00:29:00.400 Because we...

00:29:01.400 Do you have a personal duty there?

00:29:02.400 To your kids?

00:29:03.400 As a country, we benefited hugely from our colonies and we owe a duty to...

00:29:10.400 So you're guilty?

00:29:11.400 So you feel guilty?

00:29:12.400 ...who are tyrannized in their country.

00:29:13.400 It's not guilt.

00:29:14.400 It's responsibility.

00:29:15.400 All right.

00:29:16.400 Well, I appreciate your candor.

00:29:19.400 Well, I'm an optimist.

00:29:22.400 Your children are welcome to immigrate to Hungary or someplace safer. 0.99

00:29:27.400 I think they're safer here.

00:29:29.400 There was some opposition to the pro-Palestinian marches in this country.

00:29:36.400 So a little bit of solidarity.

00:29:38.400 Thank you.

00:29:39.400 Thank you.

00:29:40.400 Can I ask you what you think is causing this massive wave of anti-Semitism?

00:29:46.400 Lemmings. 0.76

00:29:48.400 And what do you mean by that?

00:29:49.400 People are just being told what to do, paid to do it probably as well, being preached

00:29:55.400 to that this is the way to go.

00:29:57.400 It's just ignorance as far as I'm concerned.

00:30:00.400 And when you say preached, do you mean literally like in a mosque preached at?

00:30:03.400 Sadly, yes.

00:30:05.400 Do you think that this was sort of foreseeable given...

00:30:09.400 It's always foreseeable when Israel is being attacked. 0.76

00:30:13.400 How about on the UK side?

00:30:15.400 Really unvetted immigration, huge migration from countries?

00:30:19.400 That could be a big factor as well, sadly.

00:30:21.400 I just hope that the country will realize what they've taken in once this is settled down.

00:30:27.400 Why are you here?

00:30:28.400 Because I'm a Catholic from Liverpool.

00:30:35.400 I've worked in Manchester all my life with Jewish people in the fashion industry.

00:30:39.400 Jewish people are my friends, and I'm sick of the dishonesty of the story that goes on.

00:30:46.400 And I'm 100% behind the Jewish people in Israel. 1.00

00:30:52.400 I attended the pro-Hamas march a couple of weeks ago.

00:30:55.400 It was enormous.

00:30:57.400 A lot of the people there are newcomers to Britain.

00:31:00.400 Some of them are not citizens yet, or some are first generation.

00:31:03.400 Many of them are from Muslim countries where anti-Semitism is endemic to the country.

00:31:08.400 Do you think immigration is fueling the problem here? 0.99

00:31:14.400 Probably.

00:31:16.400 Probably.

00:31:17.400 People come in with views that are ingrained.

00:31:20.400 That aren't the views that most British people hold.

00:31:24.400 Is there any way to solve this problem?

00:31:26.400 Because demographically, the Jewish community is not getting any bigger.

00:31:29.400 But every year, the pro-Hamas side grows by hundreds of thousands.

00:31:34.400 I don't know what the answer is because I know the numbers worldwide.

00:31:39.400 And if everybody integrated and believed in the same things, it would be no problem.

00:31:45.400 Last question for you, and I appreciate your time.

00:31:49.400 There's been accusations of two-tiered policing, as in different standards for different folks.

00:31:54.400 Yesterday, a group called Hizbut Tahrir called for jihad on the streets, and the police didn't touch them.

00:32:00.400 But, I don't know, some football lads get a little... and they're arrested quick.

00:32:06.400 Do you think there's two-tier policing in London?

00:32:09.400 Probably, and I think it's the case of the numbers.

00:32:13.400 It's quite a thing to start pulling people out of crowds of 100,000, 200,000.

00:32:18.400 So, I think the path of least resistance, maybe, is the policy.

00:32:22.400 I don't think there's anything more sinister than that.

00:32:25.400 Do you think that unvetted, unlimited immigration from countries where anti-Semitism is endemic?

00:32:32.400 Do you think that's fueling it?

00:32:34.400 Yeah, almost certainly. Yeah, absolutely.

00:32:37.400 It's just... we're importing their sort of ideas into the UK.

00:32:47.400 And they don't want to assimilate with the British way of life.

00:32:54.400 And then, once they're here, their children then grow up.

00:32:59.400 And they're taught hate of Jews, hate of the West, from a very young age.

00:33:03.400 And that's what we've got now.

00:33:05.400 Does this speak to the need to change Britain's immigration policy?

00:33:11.400 Yes.

00:33:12.400 Now, some people are afraid to say that. They're worried they'll be called racist.

00:33:15.400 Well, sometimes you've got to speak the truth.

00:33:19.400 And if people want to call you racist, there's nothing you can do about it.

00:33:22.400 But then you have to attend to reality.

00:33:25.400 And there is a very big problem.

00:33:27.400 Iran has been infiltrating the West for 30 years. 0.99

00:33:30.400 They've been telling us this.

00:33:32.400 Is there any political movement in the United Kingdom that supports limited immigration?

00:33:40.400 You know, our Home Secretary did.

00:33:42.400 She's gone now.

00:33:43.400 She's gone.

00:33:44.400 So, our political parties are in a bit of flux at the moment.

00:33:49.400 They're not very powerful.

00:33:50.400 They're very divided.

00:33:51.400 And they haven't recognized there's a new politics now.

00:33:54.400 It's no longer the politics of left and right.

00:33:56.400 It's the politics of right and wrong, of good and evil.

00:33:59.400 And they need to embrace that and decide whose side they're on.

00:34:03.400 You can't sit in the middle.

00:34:05.400 I saw police arrest someone.

00:34:06.400 I don't know if you saw that.

00:34:07.400 No?

00:34:08.400 Okay.

00:34:09.400 They arrested a guy named Tommy Robinson, who was here.

00:34:12.400 Yeah.

00:34:13.400 And I was right there when they did it.

00:34:15.400 And Tommy said, you didn't arrest the Hezbollah folks who were protesting yesterday.

00:34:20.400 You didn't arrest people flying Taliban flags.

00:34:24.400 Do you think there's two-tier policing in London?

00:34:27.400 I personally don't know.

00:34:29.400 But I would say that any far right or far left movement trying to latch on to what's happening

00:34:36.400 to move and spread their own hatred are wrong on either side.

00:34:41.400 You think he was spreading hatred?

00:34:43.400 I can't comment on that.

00:34:44.400 I didn't see.

00:34:45.400 But I think anyone who is latching on to these movements to either promote anti-Semitism

00:34:50.400 or Islamophobia are wrong.

00:34:53.400 You think Islamophobia is a problem in the UK?

00:34:56.400 I can't comment.

00:34:57.400 I'm not a Muslim myself.

00:34:59.400 I believe so because of the statistics.

00:35:02.400 There's rising hate, I think, across the spectrum.

00:35:06.400 I'm here particularly against anti-Semitism because it's a disproportional amount in comparison

00:35:12.400 to the Jewish community.

00:35:14.400 So I stand in solidarity with Jews all over the world.

00:35:17.400 I think a lot of people from my school who...

00:35:19.400 I go to Goldsmiths.

00:35:20.400 I think a lot of people from my school who are calling for a jihad, a lot of them are

00:35:25.400 not Muslim.

00:35:26.400 A lot of them are not...

00:35:28.400 A lot of them are British.

00:35:29.400 A lot of them are British citizens.

00:35:31.400 And it's something that I have seen myself.

00:35:33.400 I am experiencing it right now in my school.

00:35:35.400 We're not allowed to talk.

00:35:36.400 I'm not allowed to put posters about anti-Semitism.

00:35:38.400 It's something that's been happening for the last few weeks.

00:35:41.400 They're having posters about the Palestinian marches right in front of our school.

00:35:44.400 I am for a two-state solution.

00:35:47.400 I am not against Palestinian liberation.

00:35:49.400 But I am also for Jews not to be hated against or spat on or attacked on the streets.

00:35:56.400 And it's something that I've been seeing in the last few weeks.

00:35:58.400 If you have thousands of immigrants from Afghanistan, Syria, Algeria, many places where anti-Semitism

00:36:06.400 is normal, aren't they going to bring it here?

00:36:12.400 The people I worry the most are not necessarily the people you might refer to.

00:36:16.400 Who are you worried about?

00:36:18.400 About people who hijack a struggle not to them.

00:36:23.400 I have a very good Palestinian friend.

00:36:25.400 In that event that I'm talking about last week, I spoke with a few devoted Muslims.

00:36:31.400 They didn't know.

00:36:33.400 I'm mostly afraid of other Muslims. 1.00

00:36:36.400 It's nothing to do with who they are.

00:36:38.400 I don't know if it's a migration problem.

00:36:41.400 I don't know long enough.

00:36:42.400 I see the people who stood in front of me.

00:36:45.400 Some were clearly hating.

00:36:48.400 Some were going with the singing.

00:36:51.400 Don't know what it means.

00:36:52.400 But it does promote the hate onwards.

00:36:55.400 Do you think immigration is part of the solution, limiting immigration?

00:37:02.400 I mean, as I just said, I live here for 23 years.

00:37:05.400 I used to be a migrant.

00:37:07.400 I'm fully British, but I don't know.

00:37:10.400 I mean, I don't know if it's quantity but quality.

00:37:13.400 I think you're right.

00:37:14.400 I think you're right.

00:37:15.400 Do you think that...

00:37:16.400 I mean, the Hamas previous finance minister lives happily in London. 0.95

00:37:20.400 But it's not...

00:37:21.400 That's something to look at.

00:37:23.400 It's not just a criminal record.

00:37:25.400 It's...

00:37:26.400 Do they have cultural values?

00:37:27.400 Separation of mosque and state. 0.88

00:37:28.400 Equality of men and women.

00:37:29.400 Non-violence solution to problems.

00:37:31.400 Many of them do.

00:37:32.400 But I have Muslim, Egyptian, and others, friends that I had to be with.

00:37:37.400 They don't keep their Islam. 1.00

00:37:39.400 I don't keep my Judaism.

00:37:40.400 And that's fair enough.

00:37:41.400 People are people.

00:37:42.400 I have a question for you.

00:37:43.400 Do you think open borders immigration is fueling the problem?

00:37:48.400 Do you think people coming here with an inherent anti-Semitism

00:37:52.400 from their home country?

00:37:53.400 Do you think that's a problem?

00:37:56.400 Very possibly, yes.

00:37:58.400 Are people afraid to say that because they don't want to be called racist?

00:38:02.400 There probably is quite a fear to say that, actually, yes.

00:38:06.400 But it looks like those two things, open borders immigration and woke college campuses,

00:38:11.400 those two things have come back to bite the Jewish community.

00:38:15.400 Well, that's true.

00:38:16.400 And also, there's been an inherent problem for many years in this country with the Jewish community, 1.00

00:38:21.400 that they just are too weak and never actually stand up for themselves.

00:38:28.400 They get pushed over too easily and never fight back.

00:38:32.400 And maybe now is the time they've got to realize to make the voices heard they have to fight back.

00:38:41.400 Well, I started this march back outside the Royal Courts of Justice on the Strand.

00:38:47.400 That's where Tommy Robinson was arrested just as the march began.

00:38:51.400 Now we're down by the River Thames.

00:38:54.400 It's an enormous crowd.

00:38:55.400 I'm in the middle of it, so I can't accurately count for that.

00:38:58.400 We'd probably need drone footage or a police estimate.

00:39:01.400 There's surely tens of thousands of people.

00:39:04.400 The police have shut down central London.

00:39:07.400 They're here to protect because, of course, there's tens of thousands of jihadists on the watch list.

00:39:15.400 And that's just, you know, known would-be terrorists.

00:39:18.400 That doesn't even include people who would hate the Jews and execrate them.

00:39:24.400 I've talked to as many people here as I can, and obviously they're concerned, but I think that there's sort of an incoherence.

00:39:32.400 The signs they hold are clichés.

00:39:35.400 Zero tolerance for anti-Semitism.

00:39:38.400 Act against hate before it's too late.

00:39:41.400 But act in what way?

00:39:44.400 Do what?

00:39:45.400 And the concept of zero tolerance for anti-Semitism, it sounds good, but that's certainly not the way it is in London.

00:39:51.400 There's enormous tolerance for anti-Semitism, including shocking genocidal comments like from the river to the sea, 0.90

00:39:59.400 which is a call to exterminate all the Jews from Israel proper.

00:40:04.400 So, I mean, obviously I'm sympathetic to the Jews of the United Kingdom for a number of reasons, 0.75

00:40:10.400 but I think that they don't know what to do.

00:40:14.400 And you can't really blame them because the political class doesn't know what to do either.

00:40:19.400 Unlimited immigration from countries that have endemic anti-Semitism, do you think that's feeding the problem?

00:40:28.400 Well, that's for the politicians to decide. It's not necessarily for individuals to decide.

00:40:33.400 Well, you can have an opinion on the matter.

00:40:35.400 I do have an opinion. I think everybody should try and understand where blame lies, the difference between good and evil.

00:40:44.400 And I believe, I have to believe, that we're on the side of good.

00:40:49.400 And I also believe that eventually there could be a takeover of evil. And that's very worrying.

00:40:58.400 When it might happen is something that we're sleepwalking into. And it's very worrying.

00:41:04.400 I just was at one of these marches a few weeks ago. Most of the people there are either new immigrants or they're not citizens yet or they're first generation.

00:41:16.400 And I just think it's so palpably not a British way of thinking, but a Islamic, jihadist way of thinking. 0.77

00:41:26.400 Like, I think there are very few anti-Semites in the United Kingdom who are ethnically British.

00:41:31.400 I agree with that entirely. I think that's absolutely true. And I think it's the same in most European countries and most countries outside of the Middle East.

00:41:41.400 I think that's true.

00:41:42.400 That's true.

00:41:43.400 Well, then let's bring it to the logical next step, which should we turn off the taps of mass immigration from those countries where anti-Semitism is rampant?

00:41:52.400 I mean, isn't the first rule of holes, stop digging?

00:41:56.400 Well, maybe. But I don't think it's necessarily the right thing to do. But you're right.

00:42:03.400 Trying to turn around a tanker is extremely difficult.

00:42:06.400 But you have to try and show the difference between good and evil and hope that most people, most people will understand that difference.

00:42:16.400 I accept at the moment that's very, very difficult, whether that's social media, whether it's the propaganda war that Israel, unfortunately, has never been very good at.

00:42:25.400 Whether it's something deeper than that, I don't know. But it's fundamental.

00:42:31.400 And unless the world stands up and realizes that things are changing, then it's possible that hate will overcome good.

00:42:41.400 And that will be the worst possible outcome for humanity.

00:42:45.400 The marchers for about an hour and a half, Trafalgar Square, the Canadian High Commission, and behind me, what they call Whitehall.

00:42:53.400 Down that way is the Prime Minister's residence, and you can see the Tower of the Parliament building, the Palace of Westminster.

00:43:01.400 So it's really the heart of central London, the same or similar path that the pro-Hamas hate marches have been taking week after week.

00:43:09.400 Like I say, because I'm in the middle of it, I don't yet have the ability to estimate the size of the crowd, but it's surely tens of thousands.

00:43:17.400 A fairly subdued crowd, both Israeli flags and British flags, as well as some other countries.

00:43:25.400 I saw the flag of the Shah of Iran, a counter stance to the Islamic Republic of Iran.

00:43:34.400 Lots of signs, many of them were prefabricated, handed out by organizers, but some touching homemade signs as well.

00:43:41.400 As I walked and talked, I found that people want that feeling of solidarity and unity, because surely they felt alienated and marginalized and threatened over the last six or seven weeks.

00:43:56.400 I can only imagine what it feels like to be a British Jew or a friend of British Jews and see the raw hatred coursing through the cities over the last month.

00:44:05.400 So the feeling of being amongst friends and allies must be relieving.

00:44:11.400 But I found very few members of the British Jewish community were able to articulate a way forward.

00:44:19.400 And I understand that, because for their entire lives, they've lived under a certain understanding, a certain world view, that they know how the world worked.

00:44:29.400 And that anti-Semitism was a thing, but it was not a dominant thing.

00:44:33.400 And that Jews were certainly at the heart of British society, as they are in Canada and the United States and Australia as well.

00:44:40.400 And the idea that we were in some pogrom era where Jews had to be terrified, that was long in the past.

00:44:49.400 I think that's shaken some Jews to the bone.

00:44:52.400 And the problem is, along with that world view came certain liberal or progressive ideals, like open immigration is the progressive, kind-hearted thing to do.

00:45:03.400 And one gentleman actually said, we have a responsibility because of Britain's colonial past.

00:45:09.400 So even though many people in this march confirmed to me their belief that open borders immigration from countries where anti-Semitism is endemic,

00:45:20.400 many people here confirm the obvious that that was a major source of anti-Semitism and almost completely the source of the pro-Hamas activity in this country.

00:45:30.400 Few British Jews were willing to give up their progressive traditional belief in open borders and multiculturalism.

00:45:40.400 And I think that there's an incoherence there.

00:45:42.400 There's a contradiction or a paradox.

00:45:44.400 Because for British Jews to realize that the policies that they have supported painlessly and perhaps even self-righteously for the last half century are precisely the policies that have unleashed hatred and violence against them today. 0.82

00:46:00.400 That's why the Tommy Robinson vignette was so telling.

00:46:05.400 I've known Tommy, as you know, for the better part of a decade.

00:46:08.400 He used to work with Rebel News.

00:46:09.400 He's been an independent journalist for six years, I suppose.

00:46:13.400 And I just bumped into him by coincidence, but really not a coincidence because, of course, he was here to cover the same rally I was.

00:46:19.400 He was early as I was, and so he was in the same coffee shop I was.

00:46:24.400 So it was nice to see him again.

00:46:25.400 I hadn't seen him in years.

00:46:27.400 But the fact that the police had this whole operation to extract him and arrest him was stunning, given that not only is he harmless, he is a pro-Israel advocate.

00:46:38.400 I know for a fact that he has visited Israel in a very sympathetic and supportive way.

00:46:42.400 I know that he has been perhaps the number one challenger of jihadist ideology in the UK.

00:46:48.400 And he was there as a journalist, but also as a friend of the Jewish people, for the police to provocatively and preemptively arrest and extract him and frankly cause a scene, shows the problem here.

00:47:02.400 Because the establishment, and frankly some Jews, would rather blame the comfortable scapegoat of Tommy Robinson than the far right and the football hooligans.

00:47:14.400 By the way, they're not the threat.

00:47:17.400 Frankly, ethnic British are not anti-Semitic, with a few micro-exceptions on the fringes.

00:47:27.400 The British National Party or the National Front or whatever they're called, they never had any prospects of electing a mayor or a prime minister.

00:47:37.400 They never had the numbers to muster 100,000 marches chanting for the Jews.

00:47:42.400 In fact, the fringe far right anti-Semites in this country were a delightful problem for the establishment to have,

00:47:50.400 because there were no real danger, but it kept a frisson of danger in the air so they could pose as problem solvers.

00:47:57.400 And the Jewish community could be scared of them, but not really scared. 0.98

00:48:01.400 And they could frankly talk about them and maybe even fundraise off them.

00:48:05.400 It's much different when you have 100,000, 200,000 actual Hamas supporters who actually will use violence against the police.

00:48:14.400 That's a lot harder for the Jewish community to process and digest.

00:48:18.400 My observation is that there's a lot of British Jews who can't process this contradiction. 1.00

00:48:24.400 They're seeing that the fruits of their political ideology, open borders, immigration, woke progressive ideology in universities, that these things have come back in the form of anti-Semitism,

00:48:35.400 whether it's Black Lives Matter or in Canada, Idle No More or other radical movements, even Greta Thunberg, the global warming child prophet.

00:48:46.400 She's in her 20s, but she still looks like a kid.

00:48:48.400 The other day she was denouncing the Zionists and said we have to crush the Zionists. 0.98

00:48:53.400 All these darlings of the left are now devouring the Jews. 0.99

00:48:57.400 And for many of the people I spoke with here, the idea of realizing that they were wrong about open borders, immigration,

00:49:05.400 realizing that they were wrong about critical race theory and cultural Marxism,

00:49:09.400 that's going to be too hard for them to come to terms with, to basically repudiate a lifetime mindset.

00:49:18.400 If you're a liberal Jew, that has worked out well for you in the United Kingdom for 50 years, but it's not working anymore. 0.79

00:49:26.400 But it's very hard to admit you're wrong after 50 years of knowing in your bones that you're right.

00:49:32.400 Well, they weren't right.

00:49:34.400 I mean, Shakespeare knew 400 years ago how important it was for the United Kingdom to pull up a drawbridge

00:49:40.400 and not just let anyone here, let me quote to you from Richard II, this royal throne of kings,

00:49:45.400 this sceptered isle, this earth of majesty, this seat of Mars, this other Eden demi-paradise.

00:49:51.400 But look at how he describes the geography of the United Kingdom,

00:49:55.400 this fortress built by nature for herself against infection in the hand of war,

00:50:01.400 this happy breed of man, this little world, this precious stone set in the silver sea,

00:50:07.400 or as a moat defensive to a house against the envy of less happier lands,

00:50:13.400 this blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.

00:50:16.400 What a beautiful, beautiful description of the United Kingdom.

00:50:20.400 I think of that, and it is beautiful, but did you hear what Shakespeare was saying?

00:50:24.400 It's beautiful because it's protected, because it has a moat around it called the English Channel against unhappier people.

00:50:32.400 And for 50 years, that moat has had a bridge, and anyone who wanted to come here could.

00:50:39.400 And many of those people have been wonderful.

00:50:41.400 We met immigrants here who are fully engrossed in British culture.

00:50:46.400 But many of the people who have crossed that moat have come here not to become British, 0.70

00:50:51.400 but to colonize Britain, to destroy Britain, or at the very least not to join Britain in any meaningful way. 0.98

00:50:57.400 And they have come to destroy the Jews, the Jews first. 1.00

00:51:01.400 But they'll destroy the rest of the UK next, I promise you that. 0.98

00:51:05.400 For Rebel News, from the heart of London, this is Ezra Levant.

00:51:09.400 And you can follow all of our coverage on the Battle of London at thebattleforlondon.com.

00:51:15.400 Thank you very much.

Rebel News Podcast - November 28, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Tommy Robinson arrested for peacefully covering pro-Israel rally journalistically

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