Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau considers non-combat deployment of Canadian troops to Ukraine

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I have a crazy story that I had not heard of until I came upon it on TikTok,

00:00:06.040 of all places. And I bet you haven't heard of it either. Maybe you're more worldly than me.

00:00:11.600 But did you know that a bunch of German Air Force generals had a meeting to plan an attack

00:00:17.780 on a Russian bridge by firing 20 German cruise missiles against it? And we know this because

00:00:26.080 their conversation was recorded and leaked. I'm going to tell you this insane story and how it

00:00:32.220 could cause World War III. But first, I want to get you to subscribe to what we call Rebel News Plus.

00:00:38.240 That's the video version of this podcast. I want to show you the reaction to this story in Germany

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00:01:05.640 Tonight, Justin Trudeau considers sending the Canadian military to Ukraine. How do you think

00:01:28.880 that's going to end? It's March 5th and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:33.340 Freedom!

00:01:35.700 Shame on you, you censorious bug! 0.93

00:01:47.340 Lots of domestic Canadian news these days. It's always more important, isn't it?

00:01:51.540 I'm appalled by what's happening in the Middle East, but I care much more about what is happening in our

00:01:56.700 streets in Canada, don't you? Sometimes talking about foreign policy is like a luxury good.

00:02:03.360 If you have time to do that, it's a sign that everything else in your life must be pretty good.

00:02:08.020 I mean, if you ask the average college student their opinion on Ukraine or Gaza,

00:02:13.120 they'd probably give you a very forceful and passionate answer that they've heard their peers

00:02:17.160 say. But if you showed them a blank map and asked them to point to either country, do you actually

00:02:23.040 think they could find it? You know, we should do that test to find out. Foreign policy is more real

00:02:29.560 in other countries, like in Israel, where they're constantly under threat, where conscription is a

00:02:34.800 fact, wars and terrorism, a regular occurrence. And even in the United States, because their military

00:02:40.060 really is a kind of global police force, for better or worse. As in, they're not just debating

00:02:46.240 things in abstraction. If there's a world problem, odds are real U.S. soldiers are going there to fix

00:02:51.560 it. Whereas here in Canada, I think we've just become voyeurs, especially compared to our history

00:02:58.080 of punching above our weight. Look at this picture here. Have you seen this? I still find it remarkable

00:03:05.220 to know that for nearly 30 years, Canada had an aircraft carrier, a major, massive capital ship.

00:03:15.580 After World War II, we had the third largest navy in the world. It's unthinkable now that we have or

00:03:21.580 that we either have or do something or say something momentous and strategic, something that would put us

00:03:28.180 in the first rank like an aircraft carrier would. I really don't think people around the world even

00:03:31.880 think of Canada anymore. And if they think of Trudeau, they scoff. Trudeau puts on a good show

00:03:37.860 when it comes to foreign affairs, but it's just a show. For him, it's all just posturing for domestic

00:03:42.820 politics mainly. I mean, he's given up on his dream of getting in the security council or whatever he

00:03:48.360 wanted to do there. It's pretty obvious that he's just thinking about the diaspora of foreigners in

00:03:54.580 Canada. That's what he's doing with his support for Hamas terrorism. He can count and he knows there 0.98

00:04:00.400 are about five times as many Muslims in Canada as there are Jews and he wants their vote and he's willing to

00:04:05.740 denounce Israel to do it. But that applies to other diaspora groups in Canada, too. It's why he's so soft on

00:04:12.360 the People's Republic of China and their influence buying and their election interference and their

00:04:17.360 industrial espionage. I mean, there is no possible good reason for hiding the details of the Chinese spies who stole the

00:04:25.220 Ebola virus from us or whatever they did, other than to hide the Liberal government's corruption and avoid

00:04:30.560 having to criticize Xi Jinping. And I think what's motivating Trudeau when it comes to his over-the-top

00:04:37.680 comments about Ukraine, it's the same thing, Ukrainian-Canadian voters. I think obviously that

00:04:43.120 Chrystia Freeland is a driving force for a lot of that, but I think Trudeau believes speeches like this

00:04:48.480 one will lock in the Ukrainian-Canadian vote for him. I don't think this is actually a foreign affairs

00:04:53.720 speech. I think it's a domestic affairs speech. Remember this?

00:04:57.060 The stakes are high for Ukrainians. The stakes are high for all of us around the world.

00:05:02.460 This is a moment where we define ourselves for the rest of the 21st century. Did we stand up against

00:05:11.720 authoritarianism? Did we stand up against those who choose to break the rules around the world? Do we

00:05:18.400 stand up for what is right? We are Canadian. Of course we're going to stand up for what's right.

00:05:23.720 Just don't look too closely at whether or not he keeps his promises to Ukraine. Many of the major

00:05:29.120 weapons systems Trudeau says he'd give to Ukraine, they simply haven't gone over there. Either Canada

00:05:35.020 doesn't have them or they're not in a suitable condition to actually be used or there are problems

00:05:40.840 shipping them and training them. You might even say he's lying to Ukrainian-Canadians, just playing 1.00

00:05:47.840 them for fools like he plays every group for fools. But like I said a moment ago, foreign policy is a 1.00

00:05:52.620 luxury good when we're in a recession, which we are on a per capita basis. What I mean is Trudeau is

00:05:58.540 bringing in a million people a year to Canada, which sort of juices the economy in a big picture,

00:06:04.240 but it hides the fact that individually we're all sort of getting poorer on an individual basis. So

00:06:09.240 people are worried about housing prices and groceries and price of gas and crime and traffic,

00:06:14.180 et cetera. Talking about faraway countries and faraway battles is something you do when you can

00:06:19.580 afford good housing and schools, not when you can't. But what can change foreign policy from a

00:06:26.600 philosophical abstract debate to something that is very, very real is when a country moves from talk

00:06:32.660 to actually going to war. Now we haven't done that in decades. We sent an enormous force to Afghanistan

00:06:38.900 and we suffered over 150 deaths and countless wounded. Since then, our country's military

00:06:45.920 readiness has plummeted. Our recruitment numbers are way down, partly because of the requirement to

00:06:51.960 get the jab. Our equipment and weapons are old and technologically outdated. We're not a serious

00:06:58.280 military country anymore. We're not pulling our weight in NATO. So imagine saying this, look at this,

00:07:05.120 this is an article in the Toronto Star a few days ago. Under the right conditions, Canada opened to

00:07:11.840 sending non-combat troops to Ukraine, Defense Minister Bill Blair says. What's a non-combat troop,

00:07:18.500 by the way? Here's the story. I'll just read the first line. Canada is open to sending a limited

00:07:23.800 number of military personnel to train Ukrainian troops within Ukraine. So long as such an operation

00:07:30.200 took place far from the front lines of the war with Russia in a clear non-combat role. Defense

00:07:36.280 Minister Bill Blair says in an interview with the Star, Blair said the idea was discussed earlier this

00:07:40.980 week in Paris, where he attended a security summit alongside Canada's NATO allies and fellow supporters

00:07:46.720 of Ukraine. Now Trudeau has sent billions of dollars over tax money. He's promised billions of dollars worth

00:07:54.100 of weapons, but it's doubtful many of them have actually been delivered. We can't even really get

00:08:00.480 to NATO training exercises anymore, let alone a real war zone. So be very skeptical of Trudeau.

00:08:07.120 Emmanuel Macron, the French president, they still do have a real army. He floated this idea of sending

00:08:12.280 troops into Ukraine itself. Floated the idea a week or so ago and the U.S. immediately threw cold water

00:08:17.420 on it. I mean, are you crazy? Well, just to be clear, we have no plans to send U.S. service members 0.94

00:08:23.700 to fight in Ukraine. The president has been pretty clear on that and that continues to be our position.

00:08:31.220 But look, Bill Blair is not a nobody. He's a senior Trudeau minister speaking to the most trusted senior

00:08:37.040 liberal newspaper, the Toronto Star. And if he's talking about it in public, he wants to see how the

00:08:41.320 idea is being received. He's testing it for a possible announcement, wouldn't you say? There's no way he would say

00:08:47.360 such a thing as randomly. Now, it's one thing to send equipment, but actually sending Canadian

00:08:52.840 troops into Ukraine proper. If we want to train Ukrainian troops, that can be done in Canada

00:08:58.820 or in Poland or in the Baltics even. But to train them in a country where there is a hot war with

00:09:07.200 Russia, where hundreds of people are being killed every day, why? Just for another press release for

00:09:13.480 Justin Trudeau. What would Russia do if it saw Canadian troops in Ukraine when it was attacking

00:09:22.500 an area? What do you think Russia would do? What do you think Putin's generals would do? Do you think

00:09:26.820 they would stop shooting and say, whoa, don't shoot the Canadians? Or do you think they would continue 0.63

00:09:31.780 on? Do you think they would shoot to kill? If our soldiers in uniforms were halfway around the world 0.99

00:09:37.060 in a war zone, what do you think Putin would do? Do you think he would show mercy? Well,

00:09:41.840 we can guess. Here's what Putin actually said to his parliament, the Duma, the other day,

00:09:47.480 when this subject of Europeans and, I guess, Canada putting troops in Ukraine and using weapons

00:09:53.120 and ways to expand the war. When this came up, take a listen.

00:09:56.020 We talked about the possibility of sending in Ukraine to NATO's military

00:10:00.200 contingents. But we remember the fate of those who once sent their contingents on the territory of our

00:10:10.900 country. But now the consequences for possible interventions will be much more tragic. They also have

00:10:24.380 weapons, they know about it. Now I've just said that there are weapons that can also

00:10:28.820 defeat the goals on their territory. And what do they think now? What do they fear the whole world?

00:10:40.220 That all this really causes conflict with the use of nuclear weapons, which means

00:10:48.520 the destruction of civilization? Do they understand anything about this?

00:10:53.160 Now, Ukraine is not part of NATO, which is a key fact, because NATO is a treaty, a contract really,

00:10:59.080 amongst different countries. And the key article of that treaty is Article 5, which says an attack on

00:11:05.940 one NATO member is legally an attack on all of them. And they all must rally to the aid of each other.

00:11:12.500 So that doesn't apply to Ukraine. It's not in NATO. But what happens if French troops

00:11:16.980 or Canadian troops in Ukraine are attacked, either on purpose or by accident or not knowingly by Russia,

00:11:26.320 given that Russia is in a war there? And not to be too conspiratorial, but wouldn't Ukraine want

00:11:32.560 that to happen in a kind of way to commit Western militaries to do the job that Ukraine's military is

00:11:38.440 having an increasingly difficult time doing? It really doesn't make sense to add lots of little

00:11:45.760 small countries to NATO from the point of view of strengthening the alliance. I mean, Luxembourg is

00:11:51.640 an early member of NATO, but it's not really going to save the US or Canada or the UK in any war.

00:11:56.720 Same could be said about the little countries of Finland and Sweden. Historically, they'd be neutral.

00:12:01.140 They're not really allies in the sense that they're not bringing a lot of firepower to bear.

00:12:06.140 They're more acting like tripwires, encircling Russia, a way to bring the rest of NATO countries 0.94

00:12:11.560 into a war in a manner that was not done for Ukraine. But Ukraine is not in NATO putting

00:12:16.960 Canadian or French troops into Ukraine to risk being attacked risks activating the NATO alliance

00:12:24.140 against Russia. That is World War III. And that is nuts. Let me show you something even more insane.

00:12:32.380 And I found this on TikTok, which is where I find all of my alternative news about Russia and China.

00:12:37.580 I think I sample a lot of news from the right and the left, for and against every issue. But strangely

00:12:42.580 enough, it's on the Chinese owned app, TikTok, that I get my anti-American propaganda. It's all 0.85

00:12:50.640 over TikTok. Just think about what it's teaching young kids. I never trust anything I see on TikTok,

00:12:56.360 but I use it like I use the website Wikipedia. It's a starting point to do my own research.

00:13:00.700 And I heard about this crazy story on TikTok and I hadn't heard it anywhere else. And of course,

00:13:06.580 I don't believe it until I check it. And wouldn't you know, my God, it's true. A group of high-ranking

00:13:13.700 German Air Force generals had a lengthy meeting and they were talking about using long-range

00:13:20.000 German cruise missiles called Taurus missiles to attack the strategic Russian bridge, the Kerch

00:13:28.440 bridge that Russia built to link Crimea to Russia. This was after its 2014 invasion of Ukraine.

00:13:38.600 It's the longest bridge in Russia. It's the most strategically important bridge. It's a

00:13:43.540 national symbol. It's a bridge that Putin personally inaugurated. It's been attacked at least three

00:13:49.160 times already during the war. Ukraine has claimed responsibility. The bridge is still operational.

00:13:54.960 It's being repaired. And so Germany's Air Force generals had a long meeting to talk about sending 10

00:14:03.400 or 20 Taurus cruise missiles at the bridge to blow it up. Germany was talking about doing that and how

00:14:13.680 to do that and when to do that and what way to do that. Germany, which is not in a war with Russia,

00:14:21.940 I thought. And if Russia hits back, what happens then? Is NATO Article 5 activated? If Germany,

00:14:36.200 which is not at war at Russia, launches a bunch of missiles for Russia and Russia responds,

00:14:40.120 does that pull the rest of us into a war? That is nuts. That is crazy. That is Armageddon stuff.

00:14:48.720 But let me play for you some clips from German TV's English language broadcast. I don't know if you

00:14:54.740 know, just like the BBC has foreign language, they have Persian language and French language. German TV

00:15:01.820 has an English station outlet, English language outlet. They just heard, what, 38 minutes of

00:15:10.060 recordings of Germans talking about attacking Russia. Something that really hadn't been heard

00:15:14.560 since the Wehrmacht invaded the Soviet Union 80 plus years ago. And their number one concern was not,

00:15:22.220 will the start of World War III, but who leaked it? Take a listen to this interview.

00:15:26.700 DW's Brussels bureau chief, Alexandra von Naaman, is with the German chancellor in Rome.

00:15:30.860 I asked her whether Olaf Scholz has given any more details about the leak.

00:15:35.740 No, Olaf Scholz kept his cool here in Rome. We just got this one statement on the matter,

00:15:42.320 a statement in which the German chancellor stressed that this, this is a serious matter that is being

00:15:48.360 investigated. But then he went on with his program here in Rome. But of course we know that he also

00:15:55.720 knows that he is facing uncomfortable questions at home, especially when it turns that it's true that

00:16:03.560 this conversation among high ranking German officers was conducted not on a secret internal army network,

00:16:12.280 but on the Webex platform, despite repeated warnings by Germany's intelligence services that Russia uses espionage

00:16:25.240 and sabotage as part of its hybrid war. And we are already hearing from lawmakers in Germany,

00:16:32.920 from lawmakers in the opposition, but also from members of the coalition that the German chancellor is leading,

00:16:41.400 who are demanding consequences, saying that the incident has to be investigated,

00:16:47.480 but that Germany also needs to increase its security and counterintelligence.

00:16:53.960 So just how concerned are NATO countries about the extent of Russia's espionage activities? I mean,

00:17:01.720 could this incident have been merely the tip of the iceberg?

00:17:05.480 This is the big question. How much further does this go? And we'll have to wait and see, because frankly,

00:17:12.200 as well, what we understand from some of the information, Der Spiegel, the German paper reported that actually

00:17:18.280 this conversation between these senior German Air Force officials was recorded over an unsecure link via Webex.

00:17:26.040 It wasn't a high secured intelligence link, according to their reporting. And that is very concerning,

00:17:33.720 that such sensitive intelligence is being shared over there. And then that raises the question,

00:17:39.400 how much more might have been recorded? What else can be said? Also in the recording,

00:17:43.880 there was some discussion that perhaps the British could be involved in such a project around the Taurus missiles.

00:17:50.120 The Brits are yet to comment as well. I think what we'll see is sort of real sense of intelligence

00:17:55.320 damage limitation. The other countries do not want to be dragged into this. They want to keep it

00:18:00.760 related and keep it focused on Germany, where the leak came from. I mean, I guess it is mildly

00:18:06.520 interesting how this was wiretapped. It sounds like these German generals just used an unsecured version

00:18:12.280 of Zoom called Webex for their chat, but that's not the main story here. I mean, it's an interesting detail,

00:18:18.600 I guess. But the story is Germany was talking about attacking Russia, a nuclear armed adversary 0.54

00:18:24.120 that is in the middle of a hot war. I had to scroll through interview after interview about this

00:18:30.040 subject. Once TikTok sees you watching something, it serves up a lot more. The algorithm is powerful.

00:18:34.840 I found a single German reporter who was talking about the sneak attack plan itself, not that it was leaked.

00:18:41.480 What exactly were these German military officers talking about? Do we have more details

00:18:48.440 about what was in these recordings? Yes, it's half an hour talk about the details of possible,

00:18:56.360 just if possible, possible delivery of Taurus to the Ukraine, technical details, technical

00:19:04.200 specifications, about how other countries already gave Ukraine the cruise missiles like UK and US

00:19:12.600 doing this. It's mentioned that the Brits have people on the ground. It's the quote,

00:19:16.840 it's like there are some, they have some guys on the ground in the Ukraine. And there's a talks

00:19:22.440 about some American guys in the Ukraine as well. The German generals talking about people in civil

00:19:30.520 clauses talking American accent. And then another one sensitive topic to the Russian public as well. It's

00:19:37.480 a debate about how the bridge connecting Russia with the Crimea could be destroyed by Taurus, how many

00:19:44.360 Taurus missiles would be needed for these 10 or 20s and further details. It's highly sensitive and highly

00:19:51.400 explosive for Russian public opinion as well. What do you think of that? Like, what do you think of that plan?

00:19:57.720 The Daily Beast newspaper thinks Russia is hysterical and had a meltdown over it. I mean, I guess,

00:20:05.880 though Putin actually sounded pretty calm. I think by definition, if you're talking about lobbing

00:20:11.640 20 cruise missiles against Russia to destroy their bridge, you're probably the ones who could be 1.00

00:20:17.320 called hysterical or crazy. Do you really think Russia will do nothing in return? By the way,

00:20:22.760 none of this has to do with morally right or morally wrong. I'm just talking about,

00:20:26.600 do you really think you're going to throw 20 cruise missiles to blow up Vladimir Putin's

00:20:30.360 favorite bridge in a part of Russia that has been annexed for about a decade? And you think

00:20:36.440 he's not going to shoot back. And you're willing to test that theory. There was something called

00:20:40.680 mutually assured destruction that kept the peace during the Cold War for decades. And look at the

00:20:45.480 words, mutually assured destruction. The theory was, neither side will attack the other because they

00:20:50.520 both know the retaliation would blow up the whole world. And now we have a group of German generals 0.91

00:20:55.880 brainstorming how to attack Russia. And they're not even at war with Russia.

00:21:02.120 Now, I think we're lucky in a way that Canada's military has been so denuded by Justin Trudeau.

00:21:07.240 We don't have 20 Taurus missiles. We don't have any of them. We don't have 20 CF-18 jets that are in

00:21:15.000 flying condition. We've canceled the annual NATO Air Force training exercises that used to happen

00:21:21.400 in Cold Lake, Alberta. We just don't have enough of planes that can fly. And we can't keep up with

00:21:26.680 the American F-35s or F-22s. So the only leaked conversation that could come from a Zoom call in

00:21:32.600 Canada would be about deploying those tampon dispensers that Trudeau has put in men's washrooms 0.97

00:21:38.280 on military bases. And Trudeau's made Canada a world leader in tampon dispensers in men's rooms.

00:21:44.600 So that's where we lead. But look, this war, this war is not going well for Ukraine. Millions have

00:21:50.440 fled the country. Millions have been annexed by Russia. Hundreds of thousands have died in a war.

00:21:58.200 More civilians, even. The average age of Ukrainian conscripts is now in the 40s.

00:22:04.040 A generation of the best men have been killed. Much of Ukraine lies in ruins.

00:22:11.240 Hey, are you pro-Ukraine or are you anti-Ukraine if you want peace? Are you pro-Ukraine or are you

00:22:18.440 anti-Ukraine if you want to avoid World War III or the killing of more Ukrainian soldiers or dragging

00:22:24.120 Germany into the war? This could have been resolved 18 months ago, sounds like. Don't take it from 0.98

00:22:30.040 Vladimir Putin, who said that a peace deal was hammered out 18 months ago, but that

00:22:34.600 Boris Johnson nixed it. Remember this from the Tucker interview?

00:22:37.880 So I just want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding what you're saying. I don't think that I am.

00:22:40.920 I think you're saying you want a negotiated settlement to what's happening in Ukraine.

00:22:45.400 Right. And we made it. We prepared the huge document in Istanbul that was initialed by the head of the

00:22:58.840 Ukrainian delegation. He affixed his signature to some of the provisions. Not to all of it. He put his

00:23:05.800 signature and then he himself said, we were ready to sign it and the war would have been over long ago,

00:23:12.840 18 months ago. However, Prime Minister Johnson came, talked us out of it and we missed that chance.

00:23:20.040 You don't have to believe him. That story was publicized a long time ago. Frankly,

00:23:24.680 the Israelis broke the news. The Israelis were trying to broker a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia and

00:23:34.120 had a deal until Boris Johnson was sent in to nix it. Is that good or bad for Ukraine?

00:23:42.840 Now, you heard the man, Justin Trudeau, says he will stand with Ukraine until the end.

00:23:47.880 I don't know what end that means or what standing with them means. Trudeau says things for a sound

00:23:54.360 bite. I don't think he actually thinks things through much of the time. He can understand sending

00:24:00.360 money over there and promising to send weapons. So I doubt he really delivers on those promises.

00:24:06.280 That's just usual Trudeau stuff, photo ops and throwing around money. But his idea floated by Bill

00:24:13.160 Blair to send actual Canadian troops to Ukraine. If he's serious, that could well be the worst

00:24:23.000 single decision Trudeau has ever made. Luckily, he's probably already forgotten that he's made it.

00:24:30.280 And he likely couldn't keep that promise, even if he did remember it. Stay with us for more.

00:24:36.280 Well, I'm really excited. We're about to announce the two dates for the 2024 Rebel News Live

00:24:55.800 conferences. If you've never been, you're missing out. What we do is we gather in Toronto and in Calgary

00:25:02.520 for a full day of basically all your Rebel favorite hosts plus favorite guests giving 20-minute speeches

00:25:12.680 one after the other. It's like that US conference called CPAC. So you'll meet myself and Sheila Gunn-Reed

00:25:19.720 and David Menzies and Alexa Lavoie. But in addition, you'll have a chance to hear from and interact with

00:25:26.440 some of our favorite guests. And I got to tell you, at our Rebel News Live last year, I think perhaps the

00:25:33.960 most welcomed or the biggest fan favorite or the greatest reaction from the crowd was for our

00:25:42.680 following guest. And you'll recognize him immediately. His name is Billboard Chris. His real name is Chris

00:25:49.960 Elston. And he is on a one man mission to stand up against transgender extremism. And he joins us now from the

00:25:59.640 greater Vancouver area. Chris, great to see you again. And I think you really were a big hit at the Calgary

00:26:05.480 conference. I think a lot of people hadn't really listened to you at length before. You blew them away, I should say.

00:26:10.920 Yeah, I went over my time limit. So thank you for letting me do that. But I still have that speech.

00:26:17.720 It's my pinned tweet on Twitter if people want to go watch it.

00:26:20.920 Oh, great. Thank you. And you're at Billboard Chris on Twitter. I'm praising you because it really,

00:26:27.640 it was very powerful. And we're about to send out invitations for this year. So I hope you'll

00:26:34.200 look at your inbox because we'd love to have you back again.

00:26:36.440 I'm coming. Oh, excellent. Well, I mean, one of the things you do is you're sort of famous for,

00:26:41.640 that's why your nickname is Billboard Chris, is you wear these sort of sandwich board placards

00:26:46.040 on your body that say very simple, easy to understand things. And you just stand there

00:26:52.040 and people come up to you and you talk with them one-on-one. I'm guessing you've spoken to

00:26:56.440 tens of thousands of people, even just for a moment, and some of them for as much as half an hour.

00:27:01.640 Do you think I'm right, numerically? Yeah, I'd probably guess around 20,000.

00:27:06.600 Some of these conversations are a minute, some have been an hour and a half even.

00:27:09.800 Wow. And you film them, you have a camera on for your own safety, but also to record

00:27:14.600 the moment to show others, right? That's right. And it's been very successful

00:27:18.920 in helping to educate people all around the globe about how to speak about this,

00:27:22.280 to educate them on it so that when they have the confidence to speak about this,

00:27:25.480 they're more likely to speak about it. And we have all sorts of tremendous success

00:27:30.200 happening all across the planet. Even here in Canada now, we have some successes to report on.

00:27:35.640 Give me an example. I mean, I have a theory. You go to places, sometimes you go to university campuses

00:27:41.720 where frankly, people aren't taught to be critical thinkers or they're not even taught about debating.

00:27:48.520 There's sort of one narrative when you have to sign up for it. And I think a lot of these students

00:27:53.000 who are very woke and who are very smart, by the way, and very attentive, they listen to what their

00:27:57.240 teachers say. And then they encounter you and they've never met anyone like you. They've never

00:28:03.400 heard anyone say the things you say. And they play their message track. And by that, I mean,

00:28:08.280 they just repeat what they've heard and they've never heard the response to it. And so they don't

00:28:13.320 know how to answer you. And sometimes they lash out, sometimes they physically hit you,

00:28:18.520 but sometimes they actually have the first real conversation in their lives with someone with whom they

00:28:24.680 disagree. I think it's actually an incredible social experiment.

00:28:29.000 Yeah. I would say almost every time there, this is really the first conversation they're having

00:28:33.480 about it because they feel like they can't have these conversations, which is one reason I started

00:28:37.640 heading out onto the streets because when children are coming to permanent harm, we need to be able to

00:28:41.480 talk about that. But this was the one issue everyone was most afraid to talk about. So yes, I've been

00:28:46.040 at dozens of universities. I get a lot of support there too, especially from the young men. It's primarily the

00:28:51.240 young women who've been indoctrinated into this. They're the ones taking gender studies classes. 0.67

00:28:55.720 But yeah, I've had thousands of these conversations. I give speeches now at universities as well.

00:29:01.640 And the reactions are very interesting. Some people are just so shocked that I dare to wear

00:29:07.000 a sign that says children cannot consent to puberty blockers, that they're literally shaking.

00:29:11.400 But I try to find sources of agreement and I say things that they can't help but agree with,

00:29:15.960 which is that our children are beautiful just as they are. No drugs or scalpels needed.

00:29:20.280 Everyone agrees with that instinctively, but they've been deceived into believing that

00:29:24.680 somehow children are born wrong. I love the billboard that you have that says

00:29:30.120 no one is born in the wrong body. What's the exact words you use?

00:29:34.360 I have that children are never born in the wrong body, but my main one is children cannot consent 1.00

00:29:38.520 to puberty blockers. And those are such simple statements and there's such conversation starts.

00:29:44.520 I tell you, maybe you already have this idea, but you have so much footage.

00:29:48.520 I actually think that a thoughtful editor with all your GoPro footage could turn that into

00:29:55.960 an incredible documentary. You would be the narrator sort of introducing it and saying,

00:29:59.880 well, I went to Harvard. And I remember when you went to Ireland, which is an interview,

00:30:03.800 and they were almost arrested on the street. Like I think, I think you've got the makings of a movie.

00:30:08.520 If you've had 10,000 or 20,000 conversations, and if you still have even

00:30:12.680 a hundred of those conversations on tape, I think you're sitting on a documentary film, by the way.

00:30:19.240 Oh, I have all of my footage over three and a half years. So, yeah, I think there definitely

00:30:24.200 could be a film made, but I would really like to do a documentary focused on the detransitioners. 1.00

00:30:29.000 We could include some of my footage, but I think we need to tell the stories of these young people

00:30:32.200 who've been harmed. That's always my main focus. So, if you want to work together on something,

00:30:36.760 I'm all ears. Well, I mean, listen, we would be honored to work with you. I mean, we would be

00:30:42.200 delighted. I hope you do the film, whether it's with us or with someone else, because, because it's,

00:30:47.240 it's riveting. It's riveting. And you can see, you can see sort of the gears spinning in real time.

00:30:53.320 And, and a lot of the people who come to you, some of them are in bad faith, but a lot of them

00:30:58.120 really earnestly want to understand. And, and it's fascinating watching someone

00:31:04.360 be challenged in real time in a way they've never been before. Anyhow, it's, it's amazing stuff.

00:31:08.760 Um, I think you were just at Harvard recently. Is that right?

00:31:13.080 I was, I was invited there for a conference that was going on, put on by the Republican

00:31:18.280 club and the conservatives there. And then I also spoke with their student paper, the conservative

00:31:24.360 paper. So I spoke with them for about 90 minutes. They should be publishing a piece on this, which is

00:31:29.080 a really big deal. I think, even though it's the conservative paper and there aren't a ton of

00:31:32.200 conservatives there, a lot of the alumni and all that will still read it. I went to a debate there.

00:31:37.400 I made some friends. So, you know, part of what I do is just making friends and making connections

00:31:41.480 because you never know where that leads down the road. But that was fun. The first time I went to

00:31:44.840 Harvard, I got stalked by Antifa and then I got escorted off the property.

00:31:47.560 Wow. Well, if this time you were able to hold your ground and, and, and I'm, I mean, Harvard,

00:31:53.880 it's had some disgraces lately, but it still is, you know, a seat of, of high learning and,

00:31:59.400 and it is an intellectual place despite its flaws. And I'm glad you're there. Hey, listen,

00:32:03.240 I want to ask you about something, um, an incredible story. In English Canada, we call

00:32:08.680 it the CBC, but in French Canada, in Quebec, it's called Radio Canada. Same corporate entity,

00:32:16.120 but actually a bit of a different editorial philosophy. I mean, for example, Radio Canada

00:32:20.440 was very separatist, uh, for quite a while. It has its own politics that the English side doesn't.

00:32:25.720 And Radio Canada, that is the French language, CBC did something

00:32:30.840 that never in a million years would their English brothers and sisters do. They did an investigation.

00:32:37.560 And I, and, and I only know the headlines here, so I'm going to rely on you for the details.

00:32:41.800 They tested some of these gender clinics. They said, if we send in a minor child,

00:32:49.000 how quickly can they get a prescription for puberty blockers or some other, you know,

00:32:57.400 physically and mentally dangerous prescriptions? And like the very fact that they were stinging

00:33:04.200 some of these transgender doctors and clinics would be unthinkable at the CBC. They did it, 1.00

00:33:10.360 they published it and the results were terrifying. Why don't you fill in some of the details on this for

00:33:14.440 our viewers, Chris? Sure. So I, I literally just watched this whole thing and I made some notes.

00:33:20.520 One of the most shocking things is towards the end of this documentary. And if you Google,

00:33:25.720 what's it called? The Trans Express English subtitles, you'll find it with English subtitles. So

00:33:31.560 they sent a 14 year old girl into this gender clinic in Quebec. In five minutes, this is a private 0.68

00:33:38.040 clinic where she can get the letter that she needs to get hormones. In five minutes, this clinician was 1.00

00:33:45.000 already talking about double mastectomies for her. Oh my God. And hysterectomies. Oh my God. 1.00

00:33:51.720 Literally five minutes in. Oh my God. And with, in less than nine minutes,

00:33:55.880 she was writing the letter for this girl to get testosterone. Oh my God. So first meeting, 1.00

00:34:00.360 parents not there. I take it. Parents not there. No guardian, just kid. Parents weren't there.

00:34:05.160 The doctor said, do your parents know you're here? She said, yeah.

00:34:09.080 And obviously the whole thing was a sting. It's sort of like 21 jumps. It was, but, but go ahead.

00:34:15.320 But we don't need to just rely on this sting, Ezra, because they focus on a few other young people,

00:34:19.560 two of whom are already D transitioning. And one of these girls, she had been admitted to the hospital

00:34:28.440 for anorexia when she was young, really little, she developed really young. So she didn't like her curves

00:34:34.040 when she was 12 or 13. And so then she developed an eating disorder. She was admitted to the hospital

00:34:38.760 for her anorexia. She didn't want to have her breasts. Two doctors recommend she get puberty 1.00

00:34:45.240 blockers and another said she should get a double mastectomy. I can barely stand to hear this stuff,

00:34:49.080 Chris. And I know you have to hear it. And she has borderline personality disorder. This other girl

00:34:54.920 had borderline personality disorder. This is where kids, you know, they have poor self-image. They're

00:34:59.720 very emotional. They're very sensitive. They make rash decisions. But it's called being a teenager.

00:35:05.080 It's hard being a teenager. You're growing up, your body's changing, you have hormones,

00:35:09.640 you're trying to find your place in the world. It's tough being a teenager, but never before did

00:35:13.080 you have these institutions, very authoritative, wearing a doctor's gown saying, we understand you

00:35:19.640 and we will put you on the path and don't tell your parents. And yeah, you need to hack off your body 0.62

00:35:25.160 parts. In a way they're predators, Chris. And it's just, it's so heartbreaking to hear about. 0.98

00:35:30.920 And I'm just a stranger hearing about these. I can only imagine being a family member or the

00:35:35.880 child itself. I, I, I'm sorry I interrupted you. I find these things so often to listen to.

00:35:41.160 That's fine. Speaking of family members. So this other young girl,

00:35:46.520 uh, one psychologist that she'd seen had said, you know, we think your daughter has borderline

00:35:51.480 personality disorder. When they saw the gender clinic, the doctor said, literally said,

00:35:57.800 borderline personality disorder does not exist. BPD are transgender people. 1.00

00:36:05.080 And they started transitioning this girl.

00:36:08.200 These are just struggling with other mental health issues.

00:36:10.600 When all you have is a hammer and a nail. They just, that's a solution. You know, I,

00:36:12.920 Chris, I find this, so this is in Quebec. You're saying this, so this was in

00:36:16.920 Canada. Well, let me ask you this because, you know, Quebecers fancy

00:36:21.160 themselves as very socially progressive and especially on matters of sex and sexuality.

00:36:27.240 That's why that's an extra reason I find this CBC Radio Canada reports astonishing.

00:36:32.200 What's been the reaction? Has there been a reaction to these clinics or has the hostility

00:36:37.560 been towards the CBC Radio Canada for exposing it? Do you know what, what the echoes are in the

00:36:44.040 days since this aired? Well, the people I've seen online who would fashion themselves as

00:36:49.560 progressives are just trying to dismiss this and saying that's not the typical thing.

00:36:54.840 But I mean, you got to watch this. People watching this at home really Google this trans express.

00:37:00.520 It's incredible. It's a very independent investigation. There's no agenda to it at all.

00:37:06.360 And in every single case, it's exactly what people like myself have been saying,

00:37:09.160 which is that there's no safeguards. If a child says they're trans, they just go along with it. 0.89

00:37:12.680 We have to realize that just because you have MD at the end of your name, that doesn't mean

00:37:16.520 anything. There are zealots who are doctors and these essentially they're religious zealots believing

00:37:23.480 in this trans faith. They're working in these gender clinics and they're harming thousands of kids. 1.00

00:37:28.200 Yeah. Well, Chris, I'm glad you're doing this important work. It's fascinating how you are on the

00:37:34.600 ground in the streets, one-on-one in an in a Herculean effort that no one else in the world is

00:37:41.720 doing. And I suggested the documentary to you because you've got so much fascinating footage

00:37:47.080 and I and I'm glad you're open to it. And of course, Rebel would love to team up with you.

00:37:51.480 I mean, you could I think you've got a hell of a story that anyone would be interested in.

00:37:57.000 I love following you on Twitter because I never know where you're going to pop up next.

00:38:00.440 And each interaction is a fascinating little moment. We love doing what we call streeters,

00:38:06.600 man on the street conversations. That's sort of what you're doing. You're doing it every day

00:38:11.720 with the most controversial subject around. And you let people talk at great length. It's such an

00:38:17.320 amazing thing you're doing. And I think it's unique. And I think that's why you were such a hit at Rebel

00:38:22.520 News Live last year. And I'm gushing again, but partly because I want to change the subject because

00:38:28.920 listening to the details. I guess I just don't have as strong a constitution as you do.

00:38:35.000 I get it. And I should toughen up a bit, but I'm glad there's tough guys like you out there

00:38:40.520 who are tough on the inside, but gentle on the outside.

00:38:44.520 Thank you very much, Ezra. I appreciate all of your help in exposing this madness.

00:38:48.520 I'm off to Australia next month. So I'll be going there to Melbourne and Sydney,

00:38:54.280 and then I'll be heading over to Toronto for the Rebel News Live conference.

00:38:58.040 Oh, great.

00:38:58.280 I'm looking forward to that.

00:38:59.000 Well, you know, it's amazing the places you go, and it'll be very interesting to see how

00:39:03.800 Australia reacts because in some ways they're quite similar to Canada, but they also have

00:39:09.240 this sort of a rambunctious, rowdy group. I wonder how politically correct they are on this stuff.

00:39:14.040 I look forward to your reports from there. Well, Chris, great to see you again.

00:39:18.200 Folks, you can follow him at Billboard Chris on Twitter. And we're about to announce

00:39:25.560 tickets for the Rebel News Live. I'm not sure if that website is live right now,

00:39:29.800 but if not, it'll be very soon. So you'll want to come and see Chris in person. He really was,

00:39:34.360 I think, other than Tamara Leach, who played the concert at the end of our Calgary Rebel News Live,

00:39:39.720 which was just amazing. I think Chris's presentation was the most delightfully received.

00:39:46.520 So you'll certainly want to be there. Take care, Chris. We'll talk to you soon.

00:39:50.440 Thank you. All right, folks. Stay with us. More ahead.

00:40:04.280 Hey, welcome back. Your viewer mailed to me. Natalie Jack says,

00:40:07.080 the truckers didn't even come close to this, but they were arrested for political crimes and

00:40:11.000 citizens' bank accounts were frozen. This is crazy. You're talking about that video filmed by Karima

00:40:15.320 Saad in the city of Vaughan, north of Toronto, where pro-Hamas protesters hit a cop, was arrested,

00:40:23.240 and then the mob pulled that woman free and the cops were fine with it. That was more violence in

00:40:30.040 that moment than the whole trucker convoy combined. Howard Tenenbaum says, notice that the same

00:40:35.240 organizer, White Beard, blockading the Jewish neighborhood is also at the demonstration at

00:40:40.520 the synagogue. Yeah, I forget his name. I'd have to look it up. But, you know, it's actually a fairly

00:40:47.000 small group. But they just, this is their profession. They're paid to do it. According to an investigation

00:40:53.400 by Global News, there are 700 Iranian operatives working in Canada, fomenting this kind of thing.

00:41:01.000 Now, don't kid yourself. There are thousands of people in Canada who support this. There have

00:41:06.280 been street rallies of over 10,000 people. There are lots of woke, white leftists doing it too. But

00:41:13.240 what you're seeing on the streets is an Iranian information op, a psyop. And Canada has no defense 0.96

00:41:20.760 against it because we have moral, no moral leadership. No one's speaking out against it.

00:41:24.840 Certainly not Trudeau. Stephanie Cassette says, a whole new level of concern for what's happening

00:41:30.120 in Canada. And then along comes the anti-hate laws, just when you think it can't get worse. Well,

00:41:34.680 yeah, I mean, you just saw raw hatred on the street, but hatred transforming into actual violence,

00:41:39.480 attacking a cop, all sorts of placards threatening death. I'm not going to even mention the Molotov

00:41:47.240 cocktails and the shootings. If you have a government that will not stop hateful conduct that's becoming

00:41:54.200 violence in real life, don't expect to help them to help you on the internet. That's the show for

00:42:02.200 today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home,

00:42:06.360 good night. And keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - March 06, 2024

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau considers non-combat deployment of Canadian troops to Ukraine

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