Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau's elections commissioner convicted me for writing an illegal book — AGAIN

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I got another letter from the Elections Commission today convicting me again

00:00:04.900 for my book, The Libranos. They just won't stop. It's coming up on two years now.

00:00:11.040 Thousands of dollars in fines. I'll take you through the letter and I'll tell you my plans.

00:00:17.340 Hey, just I don't want to, you know, spoiler alert here, but do you think I'm going to pay

00:00:23.900 or do you think I'm going to appeal this ruling? What do you think? I'll take you through it.

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00:01:29.200 Tonight on the eve of a federal election, Trudeau's elections commissioner sends me a letter

00:01:35.540 convicting me again of writing an illegal book. It's July 13th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:44.460 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer? I know there's 8,500 customers

00:01:49.920 here and you won't give them an answer. The only thing I have to say to the government

00:01:54.160 for why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:58.080 I don't think you're going to believe what I'm about to tell you. I just received another

00:02:06.700 conviction letter from Justin Trudeau's elections commissioner. He's personally found me guilty for

00:02:14.100 a second time of writing an illegal book about Trudeau back in 2019 called The Libranos,

00:02:21.200 What the Media Won't Tell You About Justin Trudeau's Corruption. The book, it's front cover,

00:02:26.840 my tweets about it, our promotion of the book across the country. Trudeau's elections commissioner

00:02:33.900 had senior officers investigating me, tracking me, tracking our staff, creeping through our social

00:02:40.620 media. And they say it's illegal. And they now demand that I pay thousands of dollars in fines.

00:02:48.240 You probably think I'm exaggerating or even just making it up. So I've put the police state-style

00:02:53.980 letter online at thelibranos.com for you to see for yourself. This 14-page letter convicting me

00:03:02.800 is there, including the thousands of dollars in fines. I've also put their past convictions to me

00:03:10.060 online at the same website and my lawyer's submissions too. I think the craziest thing on

00:03:15.820 that website is a hidden camera video I recorded of my one-hour interrogation at the hands of two

00:03:23.280 senior ex-RCMP officers who are now on censorship patrol. I mean, it's like that book, Fahrenheit 451,

00:03:31.900 about the government's official book burners. By the way, if you don't realize this is all a test

00:03:37.340 drive for their plan to censor the internet, I think you're missing their point. I'm the test case,

00:03:41.640 you're next. So go to thelibranos.com for that. If you're new to this story, you probably don't

00:03:48.200 know how nuts it is to have two 30-year ex-RCMP veterans who used to be on the counter-terrorism

00:03:56.060 beat ask you questions like, why didn't you register your book with the government before

00:04:02.560 criticizing the prime minister?

00:04:04.540 The knowledge that you would have or not have of the of the election act, the Canada elections act,

00:04:10.180 when you are planning the book and you the the new third party rules, because I believe there's

00:04:18.580 some comments on yourself as well about that, did you give any consideration of saying maybe I should

00:04:24.860 register as a third party for this circumstance or maybe I shouldn't because of my interpretation of

00:04:32.540 what I'm going to do? Or did you not make that determination? How crazy is it to be told that

00:04:39.420 you can't even see the complaint against you, let alone know who complains? Can I see the complaint

00:04:46.420 against me? The letter that you received? No, I presume that you're investigating me based on a complaint.

00:04:54.400 Well this is still part of the investigation so we'll have to, once the investigation's been completed,

00:05:01.280 the commissioner will have to make a decision and at that point you'll have to decide if that is

00:05:06.580 releasable or not. It's not something that usually is released, no. So it's a secret complaint? It's not a secret

00:05:12.280 complaint, it's just a complaint that's part of the investigation and to keep the integrity of the

00:05:18.360 investigation right now. You'll understand that we can't share everything that we have. Well I don't

00:05:23.160 want everything that you had, I just, if I'm here to meet a complaint but you won't show me the complaint,

00:05:30.920 how can I possibly meet the complaint? How can I possibly respond to something that you won't show me?

00:05:38.600 Well I think the letter was quite clear on what we're, what the infraction is, is alleged and this is

00:05:45.080 what we want to clarify with you. Well did you generate the complaint or was it from an outside

00:05:50.760 party? No, we didn't generate the complaint. Okay, so someone, so someone external to your office

00:05:57.560 generated the complaint? That is usually the case. Is that the case in this case? Yeah, yeah we did not

00:06:03.240 generate the complaint. Okay, was it the Liberal Party that generated the complaint? We can't go into that, sir.

00:06:07.960 So you won't tell me who the complaint is? The complainant is, is that the secret? Yeah, no,

00:06:14.040 not at this point. So at what point do you tell me who this? The commissioner is, is the, the ultimate

00:06:20.280 responsible person for, uh, for the investigation and, and how this, uh, is decided. So how do I know

00:06:26.840 what I've, what conduct has been complained about if you won't tell me? And talk about creepy, those cops

00:06:33.880 wanted to know who we hire at Rebel News and why. All right, so moving forward, the, so for the book,

00:06:42.680 you seek volunteers that, and without going back to the tape to get the exact quote, that

00:06:55.880 wanted to have, had a certain view on Trudeau and Gerald Butts and, uh, believed in free speech

00:07:03.800 and that were embarrassed by the Prime Minister Trudeau in blackface, and you saw that specific

00:07:09.560 type of person. Is that correct? I want to go back when you were doing your recruiting for the,

00:07:15.960 for people and how you described it. Can you go over that again for me, who you're, type of people

00:07:21.160 you're looking for? So in that, were they, you were seeking these people for what purpose? Could you,

00:07:29.800 you explained to us the type of people you were seeking. What was the purpose? Well, not to brag,

00:07:35.000 but I think they're after us because the Libranos was a number one bestseller, more than 1,000 five-star

00:07:42.520 ratings from readers, meticulously researched, 289 footnotes proving my assertions. I think that's

00:07:49.560 why Trudeau hates the book so much. It's embarrassing to him, and he hates to be embarrassed. He's not used

00:07:55.480 to anyone criticizing him. He fires cabinet ministers who dare to speak back to him, even the former

00:08:01.960 justice minister, Jody Wilson-Raybould. 99% of Canada's media is obedient to Trudeau, but he just

00:08:09.080 obsesses about that last 1% that's still independent. That's why he's had a dozen police and bureaucrats and

00:08:15.320 lawyers investigating me for nearly two years. I think he's obsessed with this book. I was convicted

00:08:22.120 already once this year, but my lawyers immediately appealed. We gave notice of our appeal in February,

00:08:28.520 and Trudeau's elections commissioner waited until now, just weeks before this year's election is

00:08:33.240 called, to convict me again. I think he's trying to send me a message not to criticize Trudeau

00:08:39.000 during this next election. Hey, do you think I'm going to obey him? He says my book is illegal. He says

00:08:46.360 I'm not allowed to write a book that criticizes Trudeau during an election campaign. He says that makes

00:08:52.600 it the same as a political party ad, and so I have to register my book with the government,

00:08:58.760 and I can't promote my book because that's campaign ads. He's making that all up, by the way.

00:09:05.160 There were 24 books published about Trudeau in the last election campaign. For example,

00:09:12.040 I mean, there were 23 pro-Trudeau books like this one by Aaron Wery, the government journalist who works

00:09:17.800 at Trudeau's CBC, and here's a book by John Iverson who works for Post Media, which is the largest

00:09:23.880 recipient of Trudeau's newspaper bailout. So none of the 23 pro-Trudeau books published at exactly the

00:09:31.240 same time as my book. None of them were investigated or convicted or fined, just mine. Now, my lawyers

00:09:39.480 pointed that out in my appeal, and here's what Trudeau's election commissioner said today. He said,

00:09:44.120 In its submissions, Rebel News argued that it has been treated unfairly and in a selective manner

00:09:50.520 in this matter because two other books identified by Rebel News as allegedly promoting the Prime

00:09:55.800 Minister and that were published during the election period were not investigated by my office.

00:10:01.160 This argument cannot be given effect to. As commissioner under Section 510 of the Act,

00:10:07.560 I cannot be prevented from investigating a case for the reason that there are other cases that could or

00:10:12.440 should also be investigated. Relevant case law supports his position.

00:10:17.720 Well, it's actually 23 other pro-Trudeau books, not two, but he's not denying that I'm the only author

00:10:24.360 who was prosecuted, even though they were all published at the same time. In fact, he's sort of

00:10:29.160 bragging about that. He's saying he knows about other Trudeau books, sure he does, he's aware of them,

00:10:35.240 but he's just chosen only to prosecute me and he should be allowed to do that because, I mean,

00:10:42.520 seriously, he actually gives no reason. Go read the letter for yourself. I just told you what he said.

00:10:48.440 He says he can pick and choose who he's going after and he's just chosen to do that. And what are you

00:10:53.640 going to do about it, peasant? You see, the process is the punishment. The stigma is the punishment.

00:10:59.640 He's not really mad about books during the election, just books that criticize Trudeau.

00:11:05.960 Now, you're probably wondering, since when do we prosecute books at all? I mean, forget this weird

00:11:11.400 Trudeau commissioner who says he gets to pick and choose when to uphold the law. Why does he get to

00:11:17.560 prosecute any books at all? I mean, I don't want him to prosecute any authors, not me, not the pro-Trudeau

00:11:24.280 authors. We're not China or Iran. We don't prosecute authors in Canada. And in fact, the law specifically

00:11:30.280 has a books exemption. And the promotion of those books, ads, websites, lawn signs, billboards,

00:11:36.920 whatever, anything that sells a book is exempt from these election laws, which my lawyers pointed out.

00:11:43.320 But look at this. Here's his reply. The book exemption argument. Rebel News relies on what it calls the

00:11:50.320 book promotion exemption found in the definition of election advertising in subsection two of the act.

00:11:56.400 The relevant portion of the provision at paragraph two under election advertising clarifies that for

00:12:02.000 greater certainty, election advertising does not include the distribution of a book or the promotion

00:12:08.880 of the sale of a book for no less than its commercial value if the book was planned to be made available

00:12:14.560 to the public regardless of whether there was to be an election. It is clear from the underlying passage

00:12:21.200 that the so-called book exemption applies only in relation to a book that would have been published

00:12:26.880 whether or not the election was called. Okay, just stop for a moment. My book costs $15, which is priced

00:12:33.760 fairly. They don't quarrel with that. It meets that test. And of course, I'd publish it whether or not

00:12:39.760 there was an election. That's a really weird test. If there was no election, we'd have a constitutional

00:12:46.560 crisis. Section 4 of our Charter of Rights requires that there be an election every five years.

00:12:51.840 If in some insane situation there was no election, of course, I'd have published the book and probably

00:12:56.480 given a much stronger title than the Libranos. But look at this sneaky little Trudeau weasel. Here's

00:13:01.840 how he gets around that. He says, the book exemption does not apply. I am of the view that the

00:13:06.720 clarification of paragraph two of the act does not apply in this case because Rebel News had planned

00:13:12.880 the launch of the book to coincide with the election. Okay, hang on. The law doesn't say I

00:13:19.120 can't time the book to coincide with an election. Every election book is timed for the election. It

00:13:25.760 wouldn't make sense to publish a book about an election a week after the election. A lot more books

00:13:31.120 about Trump being published in 2020 than in 2021. These Trudeau boys are just making this up to get

00:13:37.920 me. They're saying the fact that I wanted people to read my book before the election makes it an

00:13:42.480 illegal book. But that's not what the law says. But it gets weirder. The next few pages, pages six,

00:13:49.360 seven, eight, nine in the letter, you can see it all at the Libranos.com, is a partial list of the

00:13:55.360 things that Trudeau's police did to spy on us. They creeped our social media pages. They looked at

00:14:01.840 photos published by our staff. They watched my shows. They tracked me. These are just the things

00:14:07.760 they admit to. I don't know if they tapped my phone or hacked our computers or even sent a spy

00:14:14.560 into our office. They certainly put a lot of manpower on this. And like I say, the two cops who

00:14:19.440 grilled me were former counterterrorism Mounties. They had a whole police squad on this. They gave

00:14:26.400 it a name, the compliance unit. And the crime these cops were looking for was anything that was mean

00:14:33.120 to Trudeau and his friends. I'm not kidding. See for yourself. Here's page eight of the letter.

00:14:39.040 Other evidentiary elements identified in the compliance unit recommendation report

00:14:44.560 established that the lawn signs were intended to oppose the Liberal Party and the election of its

00:14:50.160 leader and certain members of the cabinet whose pictures were also included on the lawn signs.

00:14:56.960 By using the word the Libranos and by showing edited pictures of the Prime Minister Trudeau and of

00:15:02.240 some members of the cabinet, Rebel News intended most likely to oppose the Liberal Party of Canada

00:15:08.160 and the election of some of the candidates. They're talking about one of our promotion devices,

00:15:21.360 which was we had little signs that said, buy the book. But they're mad. And you can see what

00:15:29.920 they're mad about. They're mad that we use a dollar sign for the S in Libranos. They seriously put that

00:15:36.720 in their official reasons for convicting me. And they're mad that we made an artistic interpretation

00:15:42.560 of Trudeau and his henchmen. By the way, I think they all look great. I think they have a bit of,

00:15:50.800 I think it takes a bit of a guilty mind to think they look like crooks, but I think they all look

00:15:55.760 handsome there. But is this really what Canada's elections police and RCMP are spending almost two

00:16:01.520 years on? By the way, the signs just said, buy the book. Those were the only three words on them

00:16:05.840 besides the Libranos. But let's say I concede their point. Of course I want Canadians to oppose Trudeau.

00:16:13.920 I don't think I'm shy about that. I'm pretty sure I told that to the counter-terrorism RCMP who grilled

00:16:19.760 me for an hour. I'm not denying that I oppose Trudeau or that my book does. I'm saying it's my right to

00:16:26.880 oppose Trudeau and that Trudeau and his cops are the creepy ones here. And anyone who puts cops on a

00:16:32.320 two-year investigation of an author, they're the ones who are probably breaking the law. There is

00:16:38.880 specifically a book exemption and an exemption for the promotion of books right in the law. And it

00:16:45.280 specifically covers ads for the books. And it says nothing about timing a book to coincide with a

00:16:51.360 campaign because that would be really dumb. I mean, I'm talking Trudeau level dumb, maybe even Seamus

00:16:56.960 O'Regan level dumb to think books aren't timed for elections. It's natural to criticize politicians.

00:17:03.760 It's actually our right to do so. And you know what? I think I might do so again this year in this

00:17:09.120 election. I shouldn't have to answer to the police for that. But look at this creepiness from Trudeau's

00:17:15.160 henchmen. Paragraph 35 on page 10. See for yourself at the Libranos.com. Investigators gathered

00:17:21.920 many screen captures from Rebel News' Twitter account showing that Rebel News distributed its

00:17:27.400 lawn signs during the election period in various places across the country. Again, to be clear,

00:17:32.500 those lawn signs simply say, buy the book. Can you imagine if Stephen Harper had directed police to

00:17:38.760 track social media photos of journalists who criticized him? Could you imagine the uproar if he had done so?

00:17:47.800 And if he put Mounties on the file? I've instructed my lawyers to appeal this ridiculous new conviction.

00:17:56.480 To take it to a real court and out of the hands of Trudeau's henchmen.

00:18:01.480 We're going to appeal to the Federal Court of Canada, real judges. I know that the fines here are

00:18:08.240 only a few thousand dollars and that appealing this to the Federal Court and if need be to the Federal

00:18:14.180 Court of Appeal and if need be to the Supreme Court of Canada. I know each of those steps will probably

00:18:20.460 cost a hundred thousand dollars. This isn't about the money though. If it were about the money I would

00:18:26.060 just pay the few thousand dollars and move on. But do you think that would be the right thing to have

00:18:32.360 police investigate authors because the book cover is mean to Trudeau and his crony? They put that in

00:18:39.440 their ruling here because the publication date of the book is inconvenient for Trudeau. I don't get to

00:18:47.080 publish my book when he says I can't. An election boss who spends more time and money investigating

00:18:53.380 a Canadian citizen author than foreign interference from China or actual vote fraud. Trudeau's election

00:19:01.280 boss who thinks he has the power to censor an author and put cops on a two-year hunt of Trudeau's

00:19:06.840 enemies and to tell me when I can or can't publish my book and how I can tell people to buy it. And do

00:19:12.240 you not see that this is all a trial run of things to come? If Trudeau wins this election, which he

00:19:19.900 probably will, do you not see that he will apply this same censorship to his critics online too

00:19:27.060 through his new internet regulation bill C10, C36? Don't you see? This isn't about a few thousand

00:19:34.920 dollars in fines. It's not even really about my book, The Libranos, even though he really hates that book. It's about

00:19:40.660 anyone who dares to criticize the thin-skinned little bully who wants total control of all political discourse in

00:19:51.440 Canada. He couldn't buy us off like the rest of the media, so he wants to shut us down.

00:19:57.440 No, no. See you in court. And friends, if you can help me cover the cost of this legal appeal,

00:20:05.340 please do. It's not about the money. It's about stopping a political bully who thinks he can tell

00:20:11.760 authors when they're allowed to write books and when they're not, and what they're allowed to put on

00:20:16.700 their book covers and their book ads, and what they're not. Look, I know Trudeau admires China,

00:20:22.720 he's told us, and I know this is what they do in China, but it's not what we do here in Canada.

00:20:30.080 Go to thelibranos.com to read this 14-page conviction letter for yourself.

00:20:36.960 While you're there, if you can, please chip in to help me appeal this ruling

00:20:42.120 to the Federal Court of Canada. Thank you.

00:20:52.720 Dear passengers, people who travel without tickets or behave disorderly or small being 0.83

00:21:04.780 in public areas will be punished according to regulations, and the behavior will be recorded

00:21:10.880 in the individual credit information system. To avoid an inactive record of personal credit,

00:21:17.480 please follow the relevant regulations and help with the orders on the train and at the station.

00:21:27.380 There you have it. We've shown you that video before. A train in China several years ago saying

00:21:34.020 if you don't behave, if you are disorderly, if you conduct yourself discreditably, that'll go in your

00:21:40.640 own personal information system. It was a vaccine passport before the vaccine. It was called

00:21:47.460 a social credit system. China gave us the social credit system, and then China gave us the virus, 0.88

00:21:54.940 and the West is combining them now. Joining us now to talk about how vaccine passports will use

00:22:00.700 this Chinese-style system to track us is our friend Janine Yunus. She is an activist and a lawyer with

00:22:06.920 the new Civil Liberties Alliance. Great to see you again, Janine. Thanks for joining us.

00:22:10.660 Thanks for having me back.

00:22:13.080 Well, it's my pleasure. You know, I follow your tweets on Twitter, and I like your approach to things

00:22:20.240 because you come from the liberal left as opposed to the don't tread on me tea party right, let's say.

00:22:27.640 I want to go through a few of your tweets for our viewers because I find them so interesting.

00:22:31.080 France, which has more of an authoritarian streak than I think a lot of us realize,

00:22:39.340 they have brought in mandatory vaccinations. Here's your tweet on it. I'll just read it.

00:22:46.100 As most have undoubtedly heard by now, France has implemented an inhumane and unacceptable vaccine

00:22:51.980 policy. The unvaccinated now can't even use public transport or go to the mall. My heart goes out to

00:23:00.520 the people of France who do not want to get the vaccine. Janine, I think it's not just punitive.

00:23:08.820 It has the effect of punishing certain groups, minority groups, religious groups. Obviously, 0.52

00:23:18.680 the disabled are people who, for health reasons, can't take the vax. Obviously, low-income people who

00:23:23.860 would need to take public transit. You can be rich and unvaxxed and have a limo driver, I suppose.

00:23:29.140 This is the worst policy I've seen. What do you think of it?

00:23:34.620 I think it's a horrendous policy, and you're right that it will have a more pernicious effect

00:23:38.760 on minority groups and the less fortunate for whom it's less easy to get the vaccine, or they can have

00:23:47.560 groceries delivered more easily, or they don't have to take public transit. There's a real

00:23:55.380 authoritarian slide going on here in the West, and it's not just France. I mean, we're seeing

00:24:01.080 something similar in the United States, although so far, apart from New York, there hasn't really

00:24:05.740 been a passport program mandated. But we're seeing people like Leanna Nguyen, who's become a very vocal

00:24:12.520 proponent of coercing vaccinations, saying that we should make life very, very difficult for

00:24:18.160 unvaccinated people. We have Anthony Fauci going around saying, just get over it, just get the

00:24:23.040 vaccine, you know, without recognizing that there are legitimate reasons for people not to get the

00:24:28.200 vaccine, or illegitimate reasons, because then it should be a personal choice. And I think it's quite

00:24:34.600 scary. Australia, I tweeted about this as well. In Sydney, they just have a new rule that you have to

00:24:40.400 show an ID card to show that you're not more than 10 kilometers, I think, or some short distance.

00:24:48.060 I'm not that familiar with that system, but from your home, because they're in another lockdown.

00:24:54.220 I mean, what's going on in the West is really scary.

00:24:57.560 You know what, we're familiar with the Australia situation. We have a reporter in Melbourne.

00:25:03.080 Sydney, of course, is a different part of Australia, but they are in an extreme lockdown.

00:25:07.640 Just to remind our viewers, here's your tweet on the subject. Australia, having triumphed over the

00:25:13.160 coronavirus at least 23 separate times so far, is now a police state. What a great success story.

00:25:18.500 I know you're kidding, but you're being ironic there. They throw entire states into lockdowns

00:25:26.200 on a single death or a handful of cases. I want to show you what it looks like when you can be fined

00:25:34.920 for merely being away from your house. We've shown this to our viewers before. Here's a dad

00:25:42.040 and his kid who were parked at the side of the road, just having a bite to eat in their car,

00:25:47.780 nothing wrong or weird. Cops ran his plate apropos of nothing. And because his car was registered to

00:25:55.720 an address more than 10 kilometers away, they swarmed his vehicle, tried to extract the dad from the car

00:26:03.580 while the son cried. And I've just told you all the relevant facts. His only, quote, crime

00:26:10.120 was his car was registered more than 10 kilometers away. Take a look at this.

00:26:15.240 What are you doing? Record this picture? What are you doing? Do not touch my neck, bro.

00:26:26.360 Come out of the car. It's spinal surgery and it will sue the shit out of you. They're forcing

00:26:31.580 somebody out of their vehicle now. I've done nothing wrong. I've done nothing wrong. This is going

00:26:37.400 nowhere. Yep, this is going nowhere. You're weak as fuck now. Fuck off. Major, keep recording. Look at

00:26:43.340 what you're doing to my son. Fuck off, man. Major, sit back. You all right? Leave me the fuck alone,

00:26:49.940 bro. I've done nothing wrong. So that's real life in, that was in Melbourne, but they have those same

00:26:56.040 rules in Sydney. What's so crazy, Janine, is that as the virus itself subsides, as the death toll and

00:27:05.080 the hospitalizations fall, the enforcement becomes more and more extreme as if almost to create the

00:27:13.200 panic itself that the virus can't anymore because people just aren't dying in numbers anymore. We

00:27:20.560 understand it's not a disease of the young anymore. So to create and maintain that panic,

00:27:26.000 the state is filling in by getting into the, you know, house of horrors. It's like a haunted house

00:27:31.120 business trying to scare you. Exactly, actually. And I think that's sort of what's happening with the

00:27:37.220 vaccines now. I mean, there's no reason to be forcing people into getting the vaccines the way that

00:27:41.760 we're seeing it. I actually spoke with Jay Bhattacharya the other day, who's one of the

00:27:45.580 co-authors of the Great Therrington Declaration, which was advocating for focus protection instead

00:27:50.260 of lockdown. And he was saying that it doesn't even make any sense from a scientific perspective.

00:27:55.140 So, you know, if you get the vaccine, you're more or less protected. This idea that everybody

00:27:59.160 needs to be vaccinated to create herd immunity doesn't make any sense. And I think this is just,

00:28:04.040 I think we've slid into authoritarianism and we can't get out of it now. And Lord Sumption,

00:28:09.300 actually, who's great. He's a British House of Lords and has been an incredible voice of reason

00:28:14.240 on the side of liberty during this whole thing, wrote about a year ago that once you start to,

00:28:19.040 you can't suspend liberty and democracy for a short while and then bring it back. Once you give the

00:28:25.680 state this kind of power and once our fellow citizens tell us that, you know, well, it's okay

00:28:30.100 for the state to tell you you can't leave your home. It's okay for the state to force the vaccine on

00:28:33.300 you. It's okay for the state to tell you you have to wear a piece of cloth over your face. It's not that

00:28:37.340 easy to get out of. And I think we're seeing that around the world now. And I'm quite scared, actually.

00:28:42.620 Yeah, I am too. And in Canada, we see provinces like Quebec and Manitoba bringing in

00:28:50.920 protein examples of vaccine passports. Alberta said they won't, but they're permitting

00:28:56.780 private sector vax passports. For example, the Calgary Stampede now requires proof that you're

00:29:03.520 vaxxed or you have to wear a mask at their concert area. So even if the state itself is not doing it,

00:29:10.900 private corporations now feel empowered to demand your private personal medical info. Here's an

00:29:18.140 unintended consequence that I am quite certain will happen. Janine, I'm not sure if you've seen

00:29:22.960 this clip before. A few months ago, when Fauci and the head of the FDA and other groups were before

00:29:28.480 the Senate, I think it was Senator Chuck Grassley, I think it was him who said,

00:29:33.880 what percentage of your own staff have been vaxxed? And I thought that was a pretty good 1.00

00:29:40.160 question. And I was startled that in the Centers for Disease Control, the Food and Drug Administration,

00:29:46.340 I'm talking about, this is like the Vatican of public health vax promoters. In each of these 0.90

00:29:54.700 institutions, half of the staff refuse. Here, just take a look. You might not believe it if you don't

00:30:01.500 see with your own eyes. Take a look at this. Okay, this question, I'm going to go to Dr. Fauci,

00:30:06.220 Dr. Marks, and Dr. Lewinsky. What percentage of the employees in your institute, your center,

00:30:13.600 or your agency, of your employees, has been vaccinated?

00:30:24.800 You know, I'm not 100% sure, Senator, but I think it's probably a little bit more than half,

00:30:29.240 probably around 60%. Dr. Marks?

00:30:33.180 I can't tell you the exact number, but it's probably in the same range. Some people vaccinated

00:30:38.220 at our facility and others outside of the facility. Dr. Winske?

00:30:44.160 We're encouraging our employees to get vaccinated. We've been doing town halls and education seminars.

00:30:50.140 Our staff have the option to report their vaccination status, but as you

00:30:53.820 understand, the federal government is not requiring it, so we do not know.

00:30:57.700 So, Janine, the people who know the most about the vaccines

00:31:01.740 are actually less likely to use them than many other groups in society. And I know that, for example,

00:31:11.100 there have been hospitals in the United States, a single hospital, where 150 staff have either resigned

00:31:18.640 or been fired for refusing to take the vaccine. Maybe they know something we don't know. Maybe

00:31:27.960 they're just cautious because they see that the vast majority of people get better from this without

00:31:34.400 serious malady. But whatever, whether they're right or wrong, if you're now forcing, as France is doing,

00:31:42.560 everyone in the healthcare industry to be vaxxed, I think you're going to have a new unintended

00:31:47.840 consequence crisis on your hands. You're going to have half your healthcare system unstaffed.

00:31:54.700 You're going to have tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of nurses, doctors,

00:32:01.700 you know, just other folks working in hospitals who are either fired or quit. So I think that

00:32:08.560 Macron is going to create a new healthcare disaster because of his order. What do you think of that?

00:32:16.060 So I think that this is, actually a friend made a point to me the other day. I think this is a

00:32:21.960 political ploy. I don't think people like Fauci, they know that half the country is not going to

00:32:28.560 get the vaccine, especially if they feel pressured by people like him and by the Democrats. So I think

00:32:33.660 it's a political ploy so that they don't get it. And then, you know, when the virus sticks around as

00:32:38.980 it will anyway, because it's endemic at this point, they can blame those people. Oh, those rednecks and 1.00

00:32:43.720 the Ozarks, they wouldn't get the vaccine. And now we still have the virus. So I think it's just

00:32:48.800 the Democrats trying to win elections. They know that this sort of pressure isn't convincing people

00:32:54.280 and it's not helpful. They could just give people the information and allow them to make their own

00:32:58.460 decisions. And I think most of them would probably get the vaccine if they didn't feel coerced.

00:33:02.360 Yeah, I think there's something to it. It's, I think, um, it's almost to the point where whatever

00:33:09.340 Fauci and the rest of the public health industrial complex says, half of America is repelled by it.

00:33:16.040 Just like, you know, a year ago, whatever Trump said, half of America did the opposite. I think

00:33:22.100 there's such a polarization. So if Trump talked about hydroxychloroquine or some other remedy,

00:33:27.280 half of America said, that's got to be junk science. That's quackery. You can't even say it.

00:33:33.460 But it's, the reverse is true also. Let me show you a quick clip. This is from CNN.

00:33:37.880 So there was a conservative conference called CPAC and there were some folks on the stage and they

00:33:42.400 were vaccine skeptics and that's fine. And, and, and someone expressed some skepticism and they was

00:33:47.940 cheering. So Jake Tapper of CNN was interviewing Fauci. And there's two interesting things about this

00:33:53.960 video. First of all, Tapper says, I'm not going to let you hear what these vac skeptics say because it's

00:34:01.980 false. So he was saying to his viewers, I won't even let you hear the secret words they have to say

00:34:09.120 because those words are so powerful and you're so dumb. You might be convinced. But Fauci's answer is

00:34:15.000 incredible. He says, why are you politicizing this? As if he hasn't politicized it for a year. It's quite an

00:34:23.680 exchange. Take a look at this. To do with politics. It's a public health issue. It doesn't matter who 0.94

00:34:29.780 you are. The virus doesn't know whether you're a Democrat, a Republican or an independent. For sure.

00:34:36.280 We know that. And yet there is that divide of people wanting to get vaccinated and not wanting

00:34:41.920 to get vaccinated, which is really unfortunate because it's losing lives. The conservative

00:34:47.520 political conference CPAC is going on this weekend. I want to play for you a clip of one of the

00:34:53.880 speakers from that event yesterday. They were hoping the government was hoping that they could

00:35:01.180 sort of sucker 90 percent of the population into getting vaccinated. And it and it and it isn't

00:35:06.460 happening right there. There's a younger people. I'm going to cut him off right there because he just

00:35:13.980 goes on to just say things that are not true about the vaccine. But what I wanted to get your

00:35:18.780 reaction to is the crowd cheering when this gentleman talks about how the government was not able to

00:35:25.800 achieve a 90 percent vaccine goal. The crowd cheers as a public health official. What's your reaction when

00:35:32.280 you hear that? It's it's it's horrifying. I mean, they're cheering about someone saying that it's a good

00:35:43.140 thing for people not to try and save their lives. I mean, if you just unpack that for a second, Jake,

00:35:50.280 it's almost frightening to say, hey, guess what? We don't want you to do something to save your life.

00:35:57.280 Yay. Everybody starts screaming and and clapping. I just don't get that. I mean, I and I don't think that

00:36:04.200 anybody who's thinking clearly can get that. What is that all about? I don't understand that, Jake.

00:36:10.820 On the other side, you know, fairly or not, I think that Fauci has become like Hillary Clinton or

00:36:16.980 Kamala Harris. People have a sort of a derangement syndrome towards him. I mean, his mannerisms,

00:36:22.700 his accent, his style. And that's probably unfair to a degree. But when Fauci mocks people and say

00:36:28.340 you're literally asking for people to die, I don't get it. You're like I think it's like you say,

00:36:33.600 it's not actually designed to convince anybody. It's designed to polarize it. It's it's like

00:36:40.460 telling someone you're arguing with, oh, oh, calm down. Oh, like that's not you're not actually

00:36:45.740 trying to calm them down. You're dismissing them. I think that I don't know. I just think that the

00:36:52.980 fact that they're other rising anyone who's a skeptic, they're not they're not granting that

00:37:00.160 there may be some legitimate reasons for skepticism. And they're just demonizing it as false

00:37:05.900 after they got so many things wrong. I really think that we're in into a new era of division

00:37:12.120 based on not even on the virus, but on the vaccine and the lockdowns.

00:37:17.860 Yeah, I think that's right. And, you know, he said something very interesting, which is the virus

00:37:21.320 doesn't care who you are. That's absolutely not true. If you've had COVID, for instance,

00:37:25.700 you're most likely almost certainly immune. If you're 20, you're almost certainly going to have

00:37:32.440 a mild case and you don't have anything to worry about. So the virus does care who you are. And

00:37:36.660 surely she knows that. And, you know, I mean, there was just something new about the J&J vaccine the

00:37:43.400 other day. And again, I want to be very clear. I'm not, you know, I'm not anti-vax. I'm not anti the

00:37:47.800 COVID-vax. I'm not here to tell anyone whether or not to get the vaccine. But, you know, there are

00:37:52.940 new stories constantly about new side effects that we didn't know about possible long-term

00:37:57.460 effects. I think it's called, what is it, Gilbert disease? I'm not sure how you pronounce that.

00:38:01.440 It's now tied to the J&J vaccine. And by overplaying their hand, I think the public

00:38:05.300 health establishment is losing a lot of trust. You know, if they had said from the start, look,

00:38:09.400 we think the vaccine is safe and effective. Probably you're better off getting it than not

00:38:13.320 getting it. But we, you know, we can't be certain about long-term effects. We can't be certain about

00:38:16.780 everything. I think people would go and get it in greater numbers. But by insisting, oh, there's,

00:38:21.480 everyone should get it. There's nothing to be worried about. You're crazy if, you know,

00:38:24.940 if you have any doubts whatsoever. They've lost all trust, I think. I mean, they've turned me into,

00:38:29.780 you know, more of a skeptic than I certainly was. Yeah. You know, it reminds me of censorship.

00:38:35.000 When you ban something, all of a sudden people say, oh, that must be a very powerful thing. I'm very

00:38:39.500 curious about it. You know, there's Jake Tapper saying, that speaker, his name is Alex Berenson. He's

00:38:46.340 actually a New York Times bestselling author. And I think he, I think he's quite rigorous in his

00:38:52.060 review of scholarship. I don't think he's a scientist himself. But simply to say, I'm not

00:38:55.800 even going to show you what Alex Berenson says, because it's untrue. Okay, well, you're forcing

00:39:00.780 me to be your child in that I have to trust you like a father. You're protecting me from something,

00:39:07.080 some goblins and ghosts so terrifying. You say I can't handle it. That made me think he must be

00:39:14.440 telling the truth. And legislating that I must take this, what kind of vaccine in what kind of

00:39:21.260 pandemic has to be forced on people? Like that's, that's quite some vaccine and some pandemic there.

00:39:28.920 If you've got to have million dollar lotteries to coax people to take it. And even that doesn't work.

00:39:34.140 I don't know. I just think that we're in the worst of times. And it's not even,

00:39:37.980 it doesn't even have anything to do with the virus anymore. Last word to you, Janine.

00:39:44.440 I agree with you. We're in very scary times. And it doesn't have to do with the virus. I agree

00:39:48.120 with all of that. And it's, it's really time for people to stand up. I mean, that's why I'm doing

00:39:52.240 this. You know, it's, it's, I've created a lot of enemies for myself and a lot of problems for

00:39:58.080 myself. I can say that. But I think, you know, this is the moment we have to stand up and we have

00:40:02.740 to resist this because this is, you know, states really doing some very scary things.

00:40:07.620 Yeah. Well, listen, I hope to hear more from you just for our viewers who want to follow Janine

00:40:11.520 on Twitter. Her Twitter handle is Lefty Lockdowns One. And I enjoy following it. Lots of links to

00:40:19.140 articles and authoritative studies and personal reflections on things. Janine is a lawyer and

00:40:24.700 she's with the new Civil Liberties Alliance. Great to see you again. Thanks for your time.

00:40:29.160 Thanks so much.

00:40:30.140 All right. There you have it. Stay with us. More ahead.

00:40:32.020 Hey, welcome back. On my show last night, Kirk writes,

00:40:46.740 parents, join your PTA. Show up to your local school board meetings en masse. Write the education

00:40:51.000 ministers in demand that this nonsense, along with critical race theory and other progressive BS,

00:40:55.880 be removed from the curriculum. Yeah, good luck with that. Do they even have meetings in Ontario?

00:41:03.880 Are they even allowed? Or is that a criminal gathering under the lockdown? I think if this

00:41:08.640 government is impervious to any criticism or compromise over the lockdown, it's the worst in

00:41:13.160 the world. I really don't think they're going to bend the knee to public demands on education.

00:41:20.020 I think really, and I mean, I always think, what's the worst government in Canada?

00:41:24.120 I think it's Ontario. Earl writes, China and India laugh as Western countries tie themselves 0.88

00:41:31.980 into intersectional identity knots. Yeah. You know, the only math we're good at doing is coming,

00:41:37.840 the only research is coming up with new genders. Hey, China, India, Russia, be terrified. We've just 1.00

00:41:45.600 discovered a new gender. Patrick writes, I went to the US for my PhD in physics, Cornell.

00:41:52.120 In my first semester, I saw how Asian students were getting the best marks. I realized they were

00:41:57.060 very smart, but also worked extremely hard. Never crossed my mind that they were favored because of

00:42:01.360 their race. I just started studying 14 hours a day to catch up. Yeah, listen, I mean, I'm not getting

00:42:07.160 into race at all. That's sort of my point, is that if you're trying to destroy math as a meritocracy,

00:42:15.340 you're going to have a racial effect. And this isn't new. You know, Joe Oliver, the former finance

00:42:25.400 minister, he told me he's getting up there in age now. He told me that when he went to McGill,

00:42:31.680 you know, 60, 70 years ago, Joe's getting up there in age, that he was one of the first Jews let in

00:42:37.440 after they removed the quota. There was a maximum number of Jews who were admitted

00:42:43.120 to the professional schools in McGill and Montreal in Canada, because they said the same thing about

00:42:48.480 the Jews. Oh, there's too many Jews. They're doing too well on the test. We've got to love the playing 1.00

00:42:51.740 field. We don't want too many Jews in med school or law school. And of all the different fields of 1.00

00:43:02.300 study, math is pure and objective more than any other. There's just no wiggle room there. And

00:43:10.980 whoever succeeds there, you've got to protect that meritocracy. And if you're just trying to

00:43:16.860 change the racial makeup, maybe you're the racist one. That's the point I was trying to make 0.62

00:43:22.520 yesterday. Anyways, thanks for watching the show today. What do you think about this new letter? I got

00:43:27.060 it right here from the elections commissioner. They just won't stop.

00:43:30.520 I mean, the fine, it's a few thousand dollars. It won't destroy me, obviously. But I just don't

00:43:38.420 think we can roll over and say, well, okay, we'll pay. I really think we have to appeal this

00:43:42.600 until we're completely exhausted our appeals, until we go to the Supreme Court really. They're

00:43:48.900 literally saying I'm not allowed to write a book at a time that's inconvenient for Trudeau.

00:43:54.720 It's not what the law says. They admit they're not prosecuting anyone else. They say they don't

00:43:59.320 have to if they don't want to. I just think this is just so terrible. I got to stand up for it. And

00:44:03.700 I know I'm always in a legal pickle, but I think it's because we're the leading edge of so many

00:44:07.800 fights. We're the pointy edge of the spear. So they're going to be focused on us more than anyone

00:44:12.520 else. I mean, I can tell you one thing. Trudeau is not prosecuting Aaron Wary's love letter to Trudeau

00:44:18.540 that was published at the same time as my criticism. Now, there's a reason no one read Aaron Wary's

00:44:24.280 love letter. It's just boring propaganda, whereas my book actually challenged the powers that be.

00:44:31.180 Apparently, Elections Canada thinks you're not allowed to speak truth to power, at least

00:44:34.600 not when it counts. All right, go to thelebranos.com if you want to see more on that. That's the show

00:44:40.100 for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters to you at home,

00:44:44.800 good night and keep fighting for freedom.

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Rebel News Podcast - July 14, 2021

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau's elections commissioner convicted me for writing an illegal book — AGAIN

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