Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau's pharmacare bill is a legislative nothingburger filled with empty promises

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I'm sort of excited about today's show. I took you through Bill C-63 a

00:00:07.120 couple weeks ago. It took about two hours to get through the whole thing. I'm going to take you

00:00:10.560 through the entire Pharmacare Act, Bill C-64. It's so short, I'll read every word to you in the

00:00:18.840 duration of my monologue, so you'll be able to forever say, I read that bill, and it is a fake,

00:00:24.500 it is a mini pretend bill. I'm sort of excited about this. That's a habit. First, let me invite

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00:00:59.180 Tonight, are the liberals and new Democrats really going to bring in Pharmacare? I'll read

00:01:13.500 you the entirety of their teeny tiny law. It's March 11th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:19.300 Hey, I don't know if you remember, but a couple weeks ago, we read through the large law,

00:01:39.480 it's about 100 pages, called C63, the Online Harms Act. Now, a lot of that was just distraction,

00:01:47.020 BS, stuff that's already on the books. For example, it was absurd in the law, a call for

00:01:52.760 a block button on social media. But if you've ever used Facebook or Twitter, you know that's

00:01:58.120 on there. In fact, you might even know that it's a requirement to have your social media

00:02:02.960 app on the App Store. You need a block button. So it was just ridiculous misdirection. Another

00:02:09.700 example that's rather shocking is the new proposal to ban revenge porn, where someone takes a

00:02:16.620 intimate photograph, and then later they break up, and then they publish that photo as revenge,

00:02:22.880 it sounds pretty bad, which is why Stephen Harper made it a crime in 2014. So to put that in the

00:02:29.880 online harms law and say, we're protecting you, it's sort of a misdirection from what really is

00:02:35.760 in Bill C-63, massive censorship. Do you remember we had an emergency live stream,

00:02:41.600 went about two hours going through that 100-page bill? And in the style of that,

00:02:48.040 I want to take you through a mini teeny tiny bill called Bill C-64, the very following number after

00:02:56.180 C-63. And I should tell you that the totality of this bill is 10 pages, of which one is just the cover

00:03:04.300 page, and two are blank. The entire PharmaCare bill is just seven pages, not even seven, because

00:03:11.840 remember, as these laws are written, there's a column on the left in English and a column on the

00:03:16.340 right in French. Grand total, there's just about three and a half pages in what's called a

00:03:23.560 revolutionary PharmaCare bill. I'm going to take you through it now to show you that it's a trick.

00:03:30.080 Anyone who believes that PharmaCare is coming to Canada has been lied to by, you guessed it,

00:03:36.300 Justin Trudeau and Jagmeet Singh. So let's jump right into it. The cover is Bill C-64,

00:03:41.280 an act respecting PharmaCare. Okay, that's just taken us through one out of 10 pages already.

00:03:47.700 The next page is just a summary. Do you see that? I'll read it in full because it's so brief.

00:03:54.440 This enactment sets out the principles that the Minister of Health is to consider

00:03:58.800 when working towards the implementation of National Universal PharmaCare and provides the

00:04:06.240 Minister with the power to make payments in certain circumstances in relation to the coverage of

00:04:11.800 certain prescription drugs and related products. But let me reiterate the most important part there.

00:04:19.140 It sets out principles that the Minister should consider when working towards PharmaCare. In other words,

00:04:25.640 this actually isn't the PharmaCare bill. It's a promise to promise. It's an agreement to agree

00:04:32.420 later. It's saying, you know what, if we ever do get around to PharmaCare, here's some ideas that we'd

00:04:37.940 like the Minister to take into account. Seriously, they give it away right in the first sentence of

00:04:42.620 the summary. I'll read the second sentence just out of fairness. They say, it also sets out certain

00:04:48.780 powers and obligations of the Minister, including in relation to the preparation of a list to inform the

00:04:54.300 development of a national formulary and in relation to the development of a national bulk purchasing

00:05:00.160 strategy and requires the Minister to publish a pan-Canadian strategy regarding the appropriate

00:05:06.280 use of prescription drugs and related products. Yeah, I'm not sure if I trust Teresa Tan or the rest of

00:05:12.160 the gang at Health Canada to tell me what drugs I can and can't take. I think they've forever burnt

00:05:17.160 that trust. And really, I'm not sure if any of this is the federal government's business.

00:05:20.900 As you know, our Constitution, Section 92 and Section 91, they divide up what's a federal power,

00:05:28.020 Section 91, and what's a provincial power, Section 92. Hospitals and health care, it's a provincial

00:05:33.160 power. Is this law even constitutional? Well, like I say, it's just things to think about laws, so

00:05:38.740 it doesn't really step on any toes. Finally, I'll just read the last sentence, finally, it provides for

00:05:45.340 the establishment of a committee of experts to make certain recommendations. So it doesn't have

00:05:50.540 those recommendations, and it doesn't have a committee to make recommendations, but it provides

00:05:56.360 for the establishment of a committee of experts who will then make recommendations that the minister

00:06:02.200 can then take into consideration. I'm not kidding. That's what's in this bill. So we're already done

00:06:07.920 the first few pages. Let's read the rest. I mean, there's really nothing in here, but I want to

00:06:15.660 take you through it so you can say with complete confidence, if anyone ever asks you about the

00:06:20.060 liberal pharma care bill, you can say, I read every word of that. It's a baby law. It's a mini law,

00:06:24.980 and there's nothing in there other than a promise to think about something in the committee,

00:06:28.720 appoint a committee that will have recommendations. It's a laugh. So now I'm on the official wording of

00:06:34.340 the law, the preamble. So again, this isn't the law itself. These are just sort of clear your throat

00:06:39.600 kind of sounds to say, I'm about to do something important. It's not actually part of the law itself.

00:06:44.880 It's the preamble to the law. Whereas the government of Canada recognizes that quality health care,

00:06:50.120 including access to prescription drugs and related products, is critical to protecting and promoting

00:06:54.400 health and well-being of Canadians. You see what I mean? This isn't the law yet. This is them just

00:06:58.560 thumping their chest and feeling important. Whereas the government of Canada plays an important role

00:07:04.080 in ensuring that prescription drugs and related products are safe, effective, and of high quality.

00:07:09.040 Yeah, they sort of did the opposite during the lockdowns, didn't they? They banned you from taking

00:07:12.540 ivermectin, even if your doctor prescribed it. Whereas the government of Canada acknowledges that

00:07:16.980 when Canadians do not have their prescriptions filled for financial reasons, their health may

00:07:22.020 worsen, which can lead to increased use of the health care system and increased health care costs.

00:07:26.500 Okay, that could be true. But again, you'll see there's just filler. They're saying things that are

00:07:30.880 pretty banal because they don't really have any law they're announcing. So they just want to chat

00:07:35.140 with you a bit. Whereas the government of Canada recognizes the role of the provinces, territories,

00:07:39.920 and indigenous peoples in the provision of health care, including coverage for prescription drugs

00:07:43.920 and related products. And it's committed to collaborating and maintaining partnerships with

00:07:47.880 them to support their efforts to improve the accessibility and affordability of prescription

00:07:52.160 drugs and related products. So right there, they give it away. I mentioned before that section 91

00:07:56.880 is federal turf, section 92 is provincial turf. They're basically saying, this is none of our

00:08:02.040 business. We don't have the right to do any of this. But wink, wink, if we shovel enough money to

00:08:07.960 the provinces, maybe they'll let us set some rules. Whereas the government of Canada provides within

00:08:13.220 federal jurisdiction, health care services, including coverage for prescription drugs and related products

00:08:18.040 to certain populations. They're basically talking about prisoners, and I suppose the Canadian Armed Forces,

00:08:23.800 and there may be some other places, including some indigenous communities. But basically, they're

00:08:29.560 saying we don't have the right to do any of this stuff in 99% of the country. I'll keep going through

00:08:36.200 these preambles because what else is there? There's not a lot more in the law. By the way, we're almost

00:08:40.180 halfway done the law. We haven't gotten to the law part yet. Whereas the government of Canada recognizes

00:08:46.360 that the Advisory Council on the Implementation of National Pharmacare, as well as several studies,

00:08:51.700 have recommended establishing universal single-payer public pharma care in Canada. So they're saying

00:08:56.780 lots of smart people want us to do this. Whereas the government of Canada is committed to continue

00:09:01.340 collaboration with the provinces, territories, indigenous people, and other partners, blah, blah,

00:09:05.740 blah. Whereas the government recognizes the importance of modernizing the health care system

00:09:11.080 with standardized health data and digital tools, such as electronic prescribing, to support better health

00:09:17.760 outcomes and greater efficiency of the health care system. Now, again, this is just blather. These are

00:09:22.100 just high-minded thoughts, but it makes me a little bit nervous about an Arrive Can app-style meddling,

00:09:28.540 privacy-busting digital ID. I mean, that's what this says to me when I hear digital tools.

00:09:35.340 Whereas the government of Canada is collaborating with the provinces and territories and other partners

00:09:39.680 and stakeholders to support the work of the Canadian Drug Agency. Again, I don't want someone in Ottawa

00:09:45.960 telling me in my city, whether I'm in Calgary, Vancouver, Toronto, or wherever, I don't want someone

00:09:51.000 in Ottawa making up the rules for me, especially if that someone's name is Theresa Tam.

00:09:55.620 And whereas the government of Canada has launched the National Strategy for Drugs for Rare Diseases

00:10:00.200 to improve the accessibility and affordability of those drugs for Canadians, well, who can be against that?

00:10:05.040 Now, therefore, His Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate and the House of Commons,

00:10:10.780 enacts as follows. So everything I've read so far was just them, you know, giving themselves an

00:10:16.360 introduction. Let's go through it. We really are halfway through this now, more than halfway through.

00:10:21.820 Short title, this act may be cited as the Pharmacare Act. Definitions. Indigenous peoples, we know what

00:10:27.820 that means. Minister of Pharmacare means a program that provides coverage of prescription drugs and

00:10:32.660 related products. Pharmaceutical product means a prescription drug or related product that is

00:10:37.420 funded in whole and in part through a Pharmacare agreement. All right, so pretty basic. I'm already

00:10:42.740 on page 5 of 10, and remember, the last two pages of this law are blank. So we're almost done.

00:10:50.080 Do you get the feeling that maybe the media bought it hook, line, and sinker that this was a massive

00:10:54.640 agreement? This is what Jagmeet Singh traded away in return for his promise to support Justin Trudeau.

00:11:01.140 Purpose. The purpose of this act, I thought we already heard the purpose in the preamble,

00:11:06.560 but I'll say it again. The purpose of this act is to guide efforts to improve for all Canadians

00:11:12.080 the accessibility and affordability of prescription drugs and related products and to support their

00:11:16.860 appropriate use. You really think a politician should be involved in what's appropriate or not

00:11:23.160 for your health care? In collaboration with the provinces, territories, Indigenous people, and other

00:11:28.460 partners and stakeholders with the aim of continuing to work toward the implementation of a national

00:11:34.620 universal Pharmacare. Its purpose is also to support the development of a national formulary of essential

00:11:40.240 prescription drugs and related products, etc. So again, did you get those key words? The aim of

00:11:48.580 continuing to work toward. So they're not done yet. This bill is not actually the result yet. This bill

00:11:56.000 is the, hey guys, keep working towards it. We love you guys. We're cheering for you. It's a marathon,

00:12:02.240 not a sprint. I'm not kidding. Paragraph four, chapter four, we're almost done.

00:12:08.220 The minister is to consider the following principles and the Canada Health Act when collaborating with

00:12:15.260 provinces, territories, Indigenous peoples, and other partners. A, improve the accessibility of

00:12:20.400 pharmaceutical products, including through their coverage in a manner that is more consistent across

00:12:24.700 Canada. B, how's that going to happen? How are you going to have as much pharmaceutical products

00:12:31.860 in Nunavut as you do in Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver? It's just not going to happen, by the way.

00:12:38.220 B, improve the affordability of pharmaceutical products, including by reducing financial

00:12:43.380 barriers for Canadians. Can you name anything from gasoline to groceries to dairy products to rent

00:12:51.300 that the government has controlled the cost of? Yeah, me neither. C, support the appropriate use of

00:12:58.260 pharmaceutical products, namely in a manner that prioritizes patient safety, optimizes health

00:13:03.880 outcomes, and reinforces health system sustainability. Well, I'm sorry, who gets to decide that? The

00:13:10.720 government was telling us what we could and couldn't do through the pandemic, and you want to trust them

00:13:14.760 on drugs? D, provide universal coverage of pharmaceutical products across Canada. So those are the list of

00:13:22.220 what they call the principles. Funding. Now, you'd expect to see a dollar amount here, but you'd be wrong.

00:13:29.980 Remember, they're just working towards it. Section 5. The government of Canada commits to maintaining

00:13:37.260 long-term funding for the provinces, territories, and indigenous peoples to improve the accessibility and

00:13:41.860 affordability of pharmaceutical products, beginning with those for rare diseases. Oh, so they were beginning

00:13:48.040 with them. Okay. I got nothing against providing care for people with rare diseases. That may actually

00:13:53.420 be something where government is necessary, because if they're rare, there may not be a market solution

00:13:58.400 to them. But they say that's where we're beginning. So it sounds like general pharma care for the population

00:14:04.760 is still quite a ways away. The funding for provinces and territories must be provided primarily through

00:14:11.060 agreements with their respective governments. Okay. So they are, I think, recognizing the fact that they don't

00:14:17.500 actually have the power to pass any laws here. We're almost done. I should tell you that this

00:14:23.460 page and then there's just one more page and we're done. Payments. Six. The minister may, if the

00:14:28.900 minister has entered into an agreement with the province or territory to do so, make payments to the

00:14:33.420 province or territory in order to increase any existing public pharma care coverage and to provide

00:14:38.560 universal single-payer first-dollar coverage for specific prescription drugs and related products

00:14:43.460 intended for contraception or the treatment of diabetes. That's a really weird and specific thing.

00:14:50.800 Diabetes and the pill. Dollar one coverage. I've never seen that. First-dollar coverage. So if you just need

00:14:58.740 antibiotics, if you just need cancer medicine, that's not as important for first-dollar coverage as the

00:15:05.200 morning-after pill. Tells you through those priorities. For greater certainty, any agreement referred to in

00:15:10.900 subsection one with the province or territory is to provide for first-dollar coverage to parents,

00:15:15.340 patients. Payments out of CRF. That's consolidated revenue funds. So that's basically the government's

00:15:23.140 going to pay for this from general revenues. All right. Well, we're almost done. And if you were

00:15:29.460 settling in for a long show, I'm sorry to disappoint you. Let me just tell you what the minister's powers

00:15:35.600 and obligations are. You're going to laugh at this. They have the power to request advice. The minister

00:15:42.280 may seek advice from the Canadian Drug Agency on the clinical effectiveness and cost effectiveness of

00:15:48.000 prescription drugs and related products compared to other treatment options. The prescription drugs

00:15:52.940 and related products that should be included in prescription drug coverage plans in Canada and the

00:15:58.000 conditions of that coverage. The connection, collection, and analysis of data. Again, it sounds like privacy

00:16:04.720 defeating. Information and recommendations to be provided to healthcare practitioners and patients.

00:16:11.400 I don't really want advice from Justin Trudeau. Thank you very little. And E, improvements to be made to the

00:16:17.300 pharmaceutical system, including through greater coordination between health system partners, patients,

00:16:23.000 and other stakeholders. Sounds like Pfizer's going to be right on the inside. I mean, Pfizer's got to sell

00:16:28.260 their drugs somehow. COVID-19's over. They've got to bolt it on to this. And we're pretty much done.

00:16:35.220 I'm just, this is really, there's only one more page and then one more section. So let's just go

00:16:39.780 through it. Because I want you to be able to say to anyone who ever mentions Pharmacare, I want you to

00:16:44.060 be able to say, I read every word of this bill. There's nothing in there other than a promise to work

00:16:49.400 towards something and get advice. It is a con and a sham. And any reporter who said that we have a

00:16:54.960 Pharmacare plan is lying to you. National formulary. The minister must, after discussions with the

00:17:02.300 provinces and territories, request that the Canadian Drug Agency prepare, no later than the

00:17:07.340 first anniversary on the day of which this act receives royal assent, a list of essential prescription

00:17:12.420 drugs and related products to inform the development of a national formulary that will establish the

00:17:18.140 scope of prescription drugs and related products to which Canadians should have access under national

00:17:22.960 universal Pharmacare. I think formulary is just a fancy word of saying a list of drugs.

00:17:30.260 Discussions. The minister must, after the first, after the list referred to has been prepared,

00:17:34.920 initiate discussions based on a list with the provinces, etc. National bulk purchasing strategy.

00:17:43.020 This is perhaps the only good idea in the whole thing, although you just know the government's

00:17:46.540 going to screw it up. The minister must, after discussions with the provinces and territories,

00:17:51.280 request that the Canadian Drug Agency develop, in collaboration with partners and stakeholders,

00:17:57.580 a national bulk purchasing strategy for prescription drugs and related products.

00:18:03.600 Yeah, somehow I think that's going to go to insiders the same way that all these COVID contracts or military

00:18:10.660 contracts went to family and friends of the liberal insiders.

00:18:14.280 And you know what? We're pretty much done. Section 10, the minister must, no later than the first

00:18:20.180 anniversary of the day in which this act receives royal assent, publish on the website of the Department

00:18:24.960 of Health a pan-Canadian strategy regarding the appropriate use of prescription drugs. So they must,

00:18:32.020 one year from the passage of this law, not do anything, but within one year they have to publish

00:18:38.980 a plan on their website. That is the one deliverable. Within one year they have to have a plan

00:18:46.180 on their website. Progress reports. The minister may, after discussions with the provinces and territories,

00:18:53.540 request that the Canadian Drug Agency prepare, no later than the third anniversary in the day in which

00:18:58.980 this strategy is published, and no later than every three years, a report on the progress. So a year from now,

00:19:04.780 they'll have a strategy. And then three years later, report on the progress. So four years from now,

00:19:09.820 they'll let you know how it's going. This is your pharmacare bill. And we're done.

00:19:14.300 The very last section is what they call the committee of experts. Remember I mentioned they have to

00:19:18.780 ask a committee for advice. It's the last section. The minister must, no later than 30 days after the

00:19:25.820 day on which this act receives royal assent, establish a committee of experts and provide for its membership

00:19:31.260 to make recommendations respecting options. The committee must, no later than the first

00:19:37.340 anniversary of the day in which it receives royal assent, provide a written report. And that is it.

00:19:43.900 As you can see, there's really no writing on the rest of that page. And the next two pages are

00:19:49.340 completely blank. I'm sorry to subject you to so much blather, but I wanted you to be able to say,

00:19:55.660 with a straight face, that you have read every single word in Canada's pharmacare act.

00:20:03.340 And there is no pharmacare act. There is no plan for giving you any drug. There is no funding for

00:20:09.740 giving you any drug. There is no list of drugs to give you. There is no system whatsoever. What you

00:20:15.100 have is a go team encouragement to put together some experts. And a year from now, they'll maybe have

00:20:22.300 something to say or maybe that's three years after that or something like that. And oh, by the way,

00:20:27.660 the provinces and territories still retain control of the jurisdiction here. Would you say, after going

00:20:34.700 through every single section in the bill, that Canada has a national pharmacare plan? You couldn't

00:20:41.420 with a straight face, although most of the media have said that. Do they have a plan for a plan?

00:20:47.340 No, they don't. They have a plan to create a plan for the plan. And in liberal NDB country,

00:20:57.420 that's called a good day's work. Stay with us. More ahead.

00:21:02.380 You know, Alex Jones has his detractors, but you've got to admit the guy understood the nature,

00:21:20.540 the framework of the battle we're in. His network is called Infowars. Really, a lot of wars are fought

00:21:26.860 over information, aren't they? And he had a catchphrase, there's a battle on for your mind.

00:21:33.500 I really think that's true. When I look at Twitter, so much on Twitter is designed to shape

00:21:39.980 your opinion of the world, to shape your reality. TikTok, I think, is even worse.

00:21:45.180 And so I look at the protests, typically outside Jewish synagogues or Jewish schools,

00:21:51.340 sometimes outside Jewish restaurants or Jewish shops. And I think, what's the purpose of that?

00:21:58.540 I don't think it's to persuade Canadians that they're right. I think these brutal,

00:22:03.900 shocking protests are not designed to win friends. I think they are, however,

00:22:10.940 designed, as Dale Carnegie might say, to influence people, to shape your view of what Canada is now,

00:22:18.780 that Canada has changed now, that the old rules don't apply now, that the police aren't who they

00:22:24.700 were before, and the idea of what is and isn't allowable has changed, that you're submissive now,

00:22:31.020 and they're dominant. I think there is a psychological purpose behind these protests,

00:22:36.300 and it is not to persuade you, but to terrify you. It's a form of terrorism, especially when it's backed

00:22:43.500 up by violence, as sometimes they are. Take a look at this. I want to show you a protest outside of

00:22:48.060 Jewish Synagogue. I showed you this a couple of weeks ago. This is in the city of Vaughan,

00:22:52.140 north of Toronto, a very large synagogue. There was a huge mob outside the synagogue.

00:22:57.580 One woman hit a policeman, was arrested, but then the rest of the mob grabbed her, freed her,

00:23:05.580 and the police said, oh well, like a fisherman whose fish just got away. Take a look at that.

00:23:18.060 Please, on the sidewalk.

00:23:29.100 On the sidewalk, control.

00:23:31.580 You have no right to touch her.

00:24:01.580 You have no right to touch her.

00:24:31.580 You have no right to touch her.

00:25:01.560 We're the police just standing there.

00:25:03.060 Let me read to you section 176.2 of the criminal code.

00:25:08.040 Everyone who willfully disturbs or interrupts an assemblage of persons met for religious worship or for a moral, social, or benevolent purpose is guilty of an offense punishable on summary conviction.

00:25:22.780 Well, they were outside the synagogue.

00:25:24.460 They were targeting the synagogue.

00:25:25.820 They said they were, but police were fine with it.

00:25:28.880 It went on for many hours.

00:25:30.380 Joining us now via Skype from Winnipeg, Manitoba, to talk about this is our friend Spencer Fernando, the proprietor of SpencerFernando.com.

00:25:39.760 Spencer, great to see you again.

00:25:40.780 It's been too long.

00:25:41.540 Good to see you, too.

00:25:43.940 Your latest article is called Through His Weakness and Cowardice, Justin Trudeau is Allowing Canada to Be Stolen from You by the Anti-Semitic Mobs.

00:25:53.240 It's a very powerful headline.

00:25:54.840 Why don't you unpack that for me?

00:25:56.200 What's your argument?

00:25:57.200 Basically, we're seeing a battle of wills between, you could say, the lawful authorities and just regular Canadians who support the law and oppose anti-Semitism, and between us and then between people who are obviously anti-Semites, people who have a radical, in many cases, Islamist worldview.

00:26:19.580 And so what they're trying to do is they're basically saying, we're going to show that we're in control.

00:26:24.460 The laws don't really apply to us because there's more of us than there are of the police, right?

00:26:28.120 So we'll just do whatever we want.

00:26:29.880 We'll intimidate people.

00:26:31.060 Obviously, they're trying to push Jewish Canadians out of public life. 1.00

00:26:34.100 That's the first step in their plan, obviously, for something much worse.

00:26:37.760 And so it's really a battle of wills.

00:26:39.700 And what Trudeau doesn't understand is I wrote something for my patron subscribers as well that got into this in more depth.

00:26:45.780 But that really what's happening is if we give even a little bit of benefit to the doubt to some of the liberal MPs and say, OK, they think they're doing the right thing.

00:26:54.740 They think if they just appease the pro-Hamas mobs, that something will turn out well for them and that they'll calm down and they'll be sated by some sort of concession.

00:27:02.960 But they're trying to deal with a group, you know, they're trying to deal with people in the way that you could deal with, you know, people who are rational, reasonable, you know, people who support Western civilization, people who support freedom and democracy.

00:27:15.160 Where, yes, making a concession, you know, making a reasonable shift in someone else's direction can bring about something beneficial.

00:27:21.780 But when you're dealing with people who have an ideology that is all about asserting dominance, imposing fear, you know, I say that the pro-Palestinian, really pro-Hamas movement is a fear-based movement.

00:27:33.180 So it responds to strength.

00:27:35.620 And so when you concede to them, when you give in to them, they say, well, I mean, I guess protesting outside of synagogues is working. 0.94

00:27:41.880 I guess calling for the death of Israel and the death of Jews is working. 1.00

00:27:45.160 And so the government keeps trying to make, oh, one more concession and then finally they'll be happy.

00:27:49.740 Then they'll calm down, they'll go home.

00:27:51.080 No, it's just going to get worse and worse.

00:27:53.160 And so, you know, in the clip you showed, obviously that's a serious problem because that's about as textbook as it gets with one group saying, oh, look, we're in control now.

00:28:01.120 I mean, if we don't want to be arrested, then we just, you know, surround the person and take them away and the police can't do anything.

00:28:07.300 And so that kind of assertion of dominance is a very serious problem because it's just going to keep getting worse unless the government wakes up and realizes that only strength,

00:28:15.160 only resolve and only making zero concessions is actually going to start turning things around.

00:28:20.500 Yeah, I think that's pretty unlikely with Justin Trudeau.

00:28:23.020 But I want to talk about the larger society because I remember back to the trucker convoy when the truckers were in auto.

00:28:29.880 I was there for a few days and I saw a lot of Canadian flags and a lot of Canadian symbols and a lot of handwritten signs.

00:28:38.540 And I spent a lot of time there and I didn't see any swastikas or any Nazis, but some anonymous photographer snapped a quick picture of a Nazi flag.

00:28:50.720 It looks like it was being held at the fancy Chateau Laurier Hotel there.

00:28:56.660 And this was circulated and I don't think anyone other than this mystery photographer saw it.

00:29:01.640 It sure felt like it was a setup.

00:29:04.680 Huge coverage, coast to coast.

00:29:07.660 Hundreds of news stories written about the swastika to prove that all the thousands of people there were Nazis.

00:29:15.660 Because they couldn't find any actual swastikas, but some anonymous photographer found one, so he said.

00:29:22.340 I want to compare that to these weekly hate marches, which have not only sometimes do they have actual terrorist flags, but the chants are...

00:29:34.260 You see Heil Hitler salutes. 0.81

00:29:36.160 You see calls for the final solution.

00:29:38.820 There is only one solution, intifada, which is an Arabic word, I guess the Russian word would be a pogrom, basically an anti-Semitic riot.

00:29:49.300 My point is one fake swastika flag and the entire truckers were demonized unfairly for weeks.

00:29:59.360 But you see hate messages that would curdle milk every single time and the mainstream media goes out of their way not to report it.

00:30:12.180 There's violence at these protests.

00:30:13.940 The mainstream media says they're peaceful.

00:30:16.320 So what's going on with the media?

00:30:18.660 Why is the entire political media establishment, not the entire, but most of the political media establishment,

00:30:24.560 in league with the protesters, or at least not scrutinizing and criticizing them?

00:30:30.160 I think this is, in many ways, a long-term consequence of identity politics.

00:30:33.960 You know, the idea that, you know, who someone is, you know, their character, who they are as a person, the value they bring,

00:30:39.660 is dependent only on external characteristics.

00:30:41.900 And so, you know, let's do an experiment.

00:30:43.860 Let's pretend that every single element of all these anti-Semitic protests was exactly the same.

00:30:49.100 You know, the chants, the position, where people were standing, everything's the same,

00:30:52.220 except the protesters were all, you know, like six-foot-three, blonde-haired, blue-eyed men, right?

00:30:58.440 Everything the same, except the protesters, you know, fit the, you know, the mold of, you know,

00:31:03.200 the dangerous anti-Semite, you know, Germany or something, right?

00:31:07.040 Think of the reaction from Justin Trudeau, every major politician in the liberal government.

00:31:10.960 They'd be just going absolutely crazy.

00:31:12.360 The media would be going crazy.

00:31:14.100 And so you can have the exact same behavior that we would easily identify.

00:31:17.460 Okay, if it was coming from, you know, white supremacists, people would say, this is outrageous.

00:31:21.360 This is unacceptable.

00:31:22.360 People would be melting down.

00:31:23.800 But if it's from people who are identified as, I guess, a victim group, or if they're recent immigrants,

00:31:27.860 or if they're, you know, from a Middle Eastern country, oh, I guess they're just victims of Western imperialism.

00:31:33.640 You know, they can't be held accountable for their actions.

00:31:35.960 And so that's one of the big problems here is you have so many people who their whole worldview is that you judge people by what they look like,

00:31:42.120 not what they do, not what they say, not how they act.

00:31:45.140 And so now, you know, it's like cognitive dissonance, right?

00:31:48.060 Like, Trudeau's, his whole worldview has been, oh, well, you know, everyone from outside of Canada or outside the Western world is just oppressed and, you know, innocent.

00:31:55.120 And we've been so bad to them, and we need to be apologetic.

00:31:58.160 And then, oh, it turns out a lot of those people are super anti-Semitic and have extremely hateful views that are basically the same as, you know, Nazi Germany.

00:32:05.700 Oh, well, hmm, what to do about that?

00:32:07.860 And it's like they just can't process it, right?

00:32:09.720 They just don't know how to deal with it.

00:32:10.860 So they just kind of pretend it's not happening, right?

00:32:12.820 That's how a lot of people deal with cognitive dissonance is just ignore it.

00:32:16.620 Nothing's happening at all.

00:32:18.200 And so I think that's a very serious problem, and it's not really going to go away because most of the media is now made up of people who went to university,

00:32:25.100 and they were steeped in this worldview for years.

00:32:28.680 And so it's kind of an ongoing problem is they just can't accept two things,

00:32:32.540 that someone could be from a traditional victim group and could also be extremely anti-Semitic and have horrible views.

00:32:38.580 And so they just choose to ignore it.

00:32:40.480 Yeah, that's a good point.

00:32:41.060 You know, I was in London a couple months ago.

00:32:43.260 They have huge hate marches.

00:32:45.440 Like I'm talking 100,000 people march to the city of London.

00:32:48.820 Now, London's an enormous city.

00:32:50.920 Really, it's the most essential city in the UK, large Muslim population, 100,000 people.

00:32:59.180 In Canada, there have been some marches with more than 10,000 people, I'd say, some even in the 15,000 or 20,000 person range.

00:33:07.500 But they haven't been weekly in Canada.

00:33:09.720 And I think there were a few of those.

00:33:11.920 But on a weekly basis in Toronto and Montreal, it's probably in the hundreds.

00:33:17.360 For example, up at that Jewish synagogue where I showed you that mini riot, I think there were probably less than 100.

00:33:24.760 But they're so active and they're so shocking with their signs and they are so professional and organized that it feels ubiquitous.

00:33:36.960 And I'm trying to get a read on that because this goes back to my first comment about psychological warfare.

00:33:41.680 I actually don't think most Canadians support this.

00:33:45.720 I've seen polls in the U.S. that show 90% of Americans support Israel.

00:33:50.900 Most people see Hamas as a terrorist group, with the one exception being college-age kids.

00:33:55.880 And I think in Canada, it feels the same way.

00:33:58.960 Lots of college-age kids are woke and anti-Israel.

00:34:02.660 But the bulk of the protesters are Muslim, I'd say the word extremists.

00:34:08.840 They're new Canadians. 0.97

00:34:10.120 They're, in many cases, if global news is to be believed, they're paid agents of Iran, whipping things up on the streets like they used to do. 0.94

00:34:19.380 They always used to sponsor the Al-Quds Day rally in Toronto.

00:34:24.060 So part of me says this isn't a huge problem.

00:34:26.900 It just feels that way because it's ubiquitous.

00:34:29.940 But I think psychologically it's making Canadians feel like the whole country has changed and now we're all in danger and now these are the people bullying us.

00:34:43.080 Is the truth somewhere in between?

00:34:45.060 Like how big, how pervasive is this?

00:34:48.000 Is it a factor in Winnipeg, for example?

00:34:51.080 It's been fairly limited in Winnipeg.

00:34:53.200 I mean, obviously, there have been some protests here.

00:34:55.840 There was, I think, a few months ago, someone shot at a house that had, I think, a mezuzah on it, I believe.

00:35:02.560 So that was obviously concerning.

00:35:04.900 But I think the deeper problem is, you know, a lot of people will just go along with whoever looks like they're about to win, right?

00:35:11.440 You know, people, it's probably some sort of deeply ingrained survival instinct that people have is to just kind of assess, you know, which group, okay, which group looks like it's probably going to be the most powerful in the society and then go along with them, you know, just stay quiet.

00:35:26.160 Look who's going to, look for who's going to win and then ally with them.

00:35:30.040 And so I think that's the real deeper problem is, sure, it could be a relatively small group of extreme people.

00:35:34.820 But if they're extremely motivated, they're very fanatical, they're very aggressive, you know, they're extremely active, then that's going to intimidate a lot of people into giving them what they want.

00:35:43.900 I mean, look, I mean, you have the Canadian government basically giving policy concessions to the anti-Semitic mobs, right?

00:35:49.440 Because they feel pressure.

00:35:50.600 They're probably getting tons of emails, you know, tons of messages on Twitter, Facebook, you know, whatever.

00:35:55.740 And so when there's a lot of people who don't have strong opinions, either most people don't have strong opinions on most political issues, understandably, right?

00:36:03.280 They're living their lives, they focused on their jobs and their families.

00:36:06.460 But if they see one group that starts to become dominant, they say, well, that group looks scary.

00:36:11.040 I mean, that group threatened to see how people who disagree with them looks like they're gaining control and the authorities are giving into them.

00:36:16.660 So obviously, they're extremely powerful.

00:36:18.740 And so that's the real danger in the long term is a lot of people are just like, you know, I'm just going to be quiet.

00:36:22.440 I'm just not going to say anything.

00:36:23.540 I'll just go along with the group that's the most aggressive.

00:36:26.520 And so that's why I think I keep talking about the need for the government to be strong and for, you know, all of us to be strong as well.

00:36:31.640 And speak out against it because you need to give confidence to the people in the middle who are going to go with the strongest group.

00:36:36.700 And that means, you know, people who oppose anti-Semitism and support the Jewish community.

00:36:40.580 We need to make ourselves look like the strongest group.

00:36:43.180 Yeah. And there is such a lack of that leadership in Canada today.

00:36:46.940 Well, listen, Spencer, it's great to catch up with you and keep up the great work.

00:36:50.220 We've been talking to Spencer Fernando, his latest at his website, spencerfernando.com is called Through His Weakness and Cowardness,

00:36:58.220 Justin Trudeau is Allowing Canada to Be Stolen from You by the Anti-Semitic Mobs. 0.98

00:37:04.620 Thanks, Spencer. And we'll talk to you again soon.

00:37:06.560 Good to talk to you.

00:37:06.980 All right. Cheers. Stay with us. More ahead.

00:37:08.620 We'll talk to you again soon.

00:37:38.620 I think we have a real problem with radicalization of parts of the Muslim community.

00:37:45.260 In fact, by far, the majority of these pro-Hamas rallies are by new immigrants.

00:37:53.000 You can tell it in their accent.

00:37:54.700 That said, it would be lying to ignore the fact that there are born in Canada, white, post-Christian, woke, radical leftists who see this as the latest battering ram against our civilization. 0.70

00:38:08.260 I don't believe it's as widespread as the media and even our own observations make it look because we're so attentive to the shock of these protests.

00:38:17.560 I think it will spread and I think it will normalize this hatred.

00:38:21.000 I think it has to be pulled out by the root.

00:38:23.820 I also think Justin Trudeau has no intention of doing so.

00:38:27.220 That's our show for today.

00:38:29.920 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.

00:38:34.560 And keep fighting for freedom.

00:38:35.580 We'll see you next time.

Rebel News Podcast - March 11, 2024

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