Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Who is the populist mob： lockdown skeptics, or the forced vaccine people？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. In today's show, I take on the word populist. I regard myself as a populist and

00:00:07.560 a conservative, but populist to the media and to the establishment means something dangerous and

00:00:13.540 harmful and unruly. But is that true? Or is in fact the majority rule forcing vaccines into

00:00:22.680 people's arms, denying them civil rights, is in fact the mob, the majority? I'll take you through

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00:00:52.680 Tonight, who is the populist mob? Lockdown skeptics or the forced vaccine people? It's October 21st,

00:01:14.400 and this is the Ezra LeVance Show.

00:01:18.700 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:22.220 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:26.520 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my

00:01:31.120 bloody right to do so.

00:01:32.400 For most of my life, I've been called the populist, and I've accepted that as part of my identity. I think I'm conservative, too, and I have other ideas, but to me, populism was what Preston Manning talked about in the Reform Party 30-odd years ago that I joined as a teenager.

00:01:54.120 As he called it, the common sense of the common man, he sometimes used other phrases, too. Bottom-up decision-making as opposed to top-down decision-making.

00:02:06.340 Skepticism about elitists. And let me explain that word. Not necessarily hostility to someone who is elite, as in the best, like an elite athlete.

00:02:16.380 You can be elite. You can be the best. You can be the smartest and still not be elitist. Elitism, I think it's a kind of snobbery, an assumption that you're better than someone morally, politically, as a human, and so their point of view doesn't count.

00:02:33.280 That's different from, let's say, being an elite surgeon, where you simply are the best objectively, but you don't need to be a snob about it.

00:02:42.080 Elitism overvalues credentials. They overvalue symbols of pedigree. I see it all the time in journalism.

00:02:50.520 You know, I think we have just one journalist school grad here at our whole shop, whereas I'm thinking you probably can't even get hired at the CBC without a journalism degree.

00:03:01.300 But I know who the better reporters are on any given day, and it ain't the government journalists that Trudeau's estate broadcaster.

00:03:10.000 Being populist to me means listening to people who actually work for a living, not just those who have the luxury lifestyle of being paid to give opinions, which really isn't work.

00:03:20.980 One of the things that bothers me about elitists is their refusal to use plain language.

00:03:26.080 And I don't believe it's because they're smarter. Smart people believe in communicating effectively and clearly.

00:03:33.060 The overuse of jargon, the invention of fake words like Latinx, and using complicated words where simple words will do.

00:03:41.480 That's not about improving communication. It's about making it harder to keep out outsiders.

00:03:47.220 Use jargon. Use acronyms. Denounce other people's languages. 0.99

00:03:50.480 Obsolete or even racist. That's a form of elitism.

00:03:55.160 William F. Buckley, who was quite an intellectual himself, once said he'd rather have the country run by the first 100 names in the Boston phone book than by the faculty of Harvard.

00:04:04.760 I'm sure he meant it.

00:04:06.700 I mean, would any of the Harvard faculty have real-life experience making ends meet, having to deal with losing a job, having to live in parts of town where crime was a factor, being in the army, etc.?

00:04:18.480 I think one of the reasons why Jordan Peterson is so popular, and one of the reasons he is so hated amongst other professors, is because he uses plain language, and he speaks in practical terms, and he believes in simplicity.

00:04:31.820 His first instruction in his last book was being, stand up straight.

00:04:35.860 His second instruction being, make your bed.

00:04:38.020 That's so different from the deliberately foggy words and meaning of most professors.

00:04:43.580 The fact that he's a hero of the people makes him even more despised by the fancy folks.

00:04:47.880 Remember, they tried to drive him out of the University of Toronto when he dared to dissent from them.

00:04:53.660 So I've always liked being a populist, even though I respect elite achievements.

00:04:59.040 And I found that being a populist coexisted fairly well with my beliefs in conservatism.

00:05:03.380 And by that, I usually mean smaller government.

00:05:06.300 A belief in elitism is a belief in the experts, in that they not only know best, but they have higher morals than the lowly people do.

00:05:15.240 Populists, by nature, wouldn't want to yield too much to the state.

00:05:20.200 You can see how all this would apply to the pandemic, I think.

00:05:23.320 In the early days, everyone listened very carefully to the experts as we trusted in their excellence, their elitist knowledge, their deep history in these matters, infections and whatnot.

00:05:38.260 But we've since learned that a lot of the elites had no clue either.

00:05:43.720 This just still boils me away whenever I think about it.

00:05:46.640 Scott Gottlieb, who was the FDA commissioner.

00:05:48.960 He admitted that this whole social distancing thing, this six-foot separation thing, was just made up.

00:05:56.600 No one actually knows where that came from.

00:05:59.680 It didn't come from a study.

00:06:01.020 It's just someone made it up.

00:06:03.660 We know that the mask rules flipped and then flopped and then flipped again and then flopped again.

00:06:09.240 People should not be walking around with masks.

00:06:11.380 Let me just state for the record that masks are not theater.

00:06:15.400 Wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better.

00:06:18.460 Masks are protective.

00:06:20.440 But it's not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is.

00:06:24.460 There has not been any indication that putting a mask on and wearing a mask for a considerable period of time has any deleterious effects.

00:06:33.160 There are unintended consequences.

00:06:35.160 People keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.

00:06:38.240 And can you get some schmutz sort of staying inside there? 0.88

00:06:41.500 And same with vaccines.

00:06:42.960 Let me show you a bit of Anthony Fauci on that.

00:06:45.840 This is an incredible video.

00:06:47.020 Watch for a minute.

00:06:47.540 Because the real world effectiveness is even more impressive than the results of the clinical trial.

00:06:53.860 Thank you.

00:06:54.860 Thank you.

00:06:56.940 Thank you.

00:06:57.340 Thank you.

00:06:58.560 Thank you.

00:07:28.560 Thank you.

00:07:58.560 Thank you.

00:08:28.560 So do these experts really know what they're talking about?

00:08:44.900 And put aside expertise, are they corrupted in some cases?

00:09:20.840 It affects the old and the fat and the sick, not the young, the fit and the healthy.

00:09:24.980 I won't go deep into this.

00:09:26.300 Just to remind you, here's Alberta's health bureaucrat saying she's going to count anyone staying home sick for any reason. 0.92

00:09:33.340 She's going to count that as a COVID case without evidence.

00:09:36.320 Remember this?

00:09:36.780 If individuals choose to not get tested for COVID but are home with an illness, they're now counted in the list as being part of that outbreak.

00:09:47.240 So experts have put their expertise to the service of the state, to politics.

00:09:52.240 I'm not going to go over all this again.

00:09:53.440 We talked about it the other day, especially in regards to doctors losing their reputation.

00:09:57.580 But my point today is how populists have been the skeptics this last year and a half.

00:10:02.720 And the only party in Canada that has been opposed to the lockdowns as a party is the explicitly populist People's Party of Canada and its leader, Maxime Bernier.

00:10:12.000 Unfortunately, they don't have a single seat in Parliament.

00:10:14.240 Parliament is unanimous in all this.

00:10:16.180 So, yeah, I've accepted that the populists are against the lockdowns.

00:10:21.400 The elitists are for it because, of course, they haven't lost a day's pay.

00:10:25.200 They love being celebrities, the medical, TV doctors.

00:10:28.820 If anything, I think the elitists have had more pay and more power.

00:10:32.620 Certainly, the economic elite has.

00:10:35.200 But populism, according to its critics, is akin to a mob.

00:10:40.660 Populism is a dirty word to the establishment.

00:10:43.600 Populism means violence. 0.93

00:10:44.900 It means being irrational.

00:10:46.880 It's a kind of superstition.

00:10:48.720 They're not enlightened.

00:10:50.100 Being populist is being mean.

00:10:51.660 It's the worst of humanity.

00:10:53.340 It's wild and out of control.

00:10:55.340 To the elitists who are challenged by populism, it's a mob with pitchforks and torches, which they simply define as anyone they can't control.

00:11:04.500 That's the mob.

00:11:06.680 But are populists, at least on the lockdowns and the pandemic and the vaccine mandates, are they really the wild ones?

00:11:13.040 Are they really the dangerous mob?

00:11:14.900 I don't know about that.

00:11:16.360 We have probably covered 100 different anti-lockdown protests across Canada in the past 18 months.

00:11:22.860 Probably more.

00:11:25.360 I've never seen violence against people or property, even once, by an anti-lockdown protester.

00:11:31.180 Have you?

00:11:31.420 I have not.

00:11:32.420 I have not.

00:11:33.920 And our dozen reporters covering them have not.

00:11:36.700 We would have showed you if we found it.

00:11:39.300 Except by the police.

00:11:41.840 In fact, I have seen the worst police violence of my life in Canada, in these anti-lockdown protests, in Canada, in the United Kingdom, in Australia.

00:11:52.940 They're the worst for some reason.

00:11:55.200 Violence en masse.

00:11:56.340 Violence and violence arresting individual people, often women and old people, simply for not wearing a mask or something like that.

00:12:04.020 Do you see where I'm going with this?

00:12:05.220 The populists, the people, the skeptics, the dissidents, they actually have not been the violent ones.

00:12:12.220 They're not a mob.

00:12:14.640 The paramilitary enforcer of the elitists, they're the mob.

00:12:18.400 But let's move away from the police and the protests.

00:12:21.680 What about the state itself?

00:12:23.000 What about the policies of the state?

00:12:25.280 What do you call it when the government, even if the majority of the population agrees with it, and I concede that a lot of the population loves these lockdowns and loves the forced vaccines.

00:12:36.920 I mean, they're being scared out of their wits.

00:12:39.160 So they do what the government says.

00:12:40.640 What do you call it when the government, emboldened by a rash majority, abuses the civil liberties of the minority?

00:12:50.160 Not just in some trivial way.

00:12:51.900 I mean, social distancing was irritating.

00:12:54.400 Masks were bad enough.

00:12:55.600 But I'm talking about forcing a minority to undergo a medical procedure that is still being tested, for which we know there are side effects, including death.

00:13:07.860 Imagine forcing people to undergo that.

00:13:10.100 On pain of losing all their public rights, from the right to travel, to the right to gather, even to gather at their church, the right to work, the right to privacy.

00:13:22.020 Imagine being forced to tell people their most private matters.

00:13:26.100 I saw this story the other day in the Toronto Star, Canada's largest newspaper, raging against an Ontario mayor who asked a woman about her menstruation.

00:13:36.780 Guys, don't do that.

00:13:38.200 He was trying to see if she had a side effect from the vaccine.

00:13:42.800 That's his explanation.

00:13:44.940 And the star was raging about the grossness of the violation, violating her most personal private details. 0.91

00:13:50.700 And when they were done raging at him, they went right back to demanding that you and me and everyone show everyone and anyone our most personal private details on demand every day.

00:14:04.880 Oh, only if we want to go to work, school, a restaurant, a train, a plane, whatever.

00:14:09.120 However, who's the mob now?

00:14:12.860 How could the same people calling for the violation of our personal privacy rage at that mayor and go right back to being who they were?

00:14:19.320 And by the way, who stops mobs?

00:14:21.720 Police usually, but they are the mob these days.

00:14:25.280 Look at this lady in Australia. 1.00

00:14:26.680 We're just walking around the park.

00:14:33.580 We just live around the corner.

00:14:34.980 Walking around the park and then we decide to take a seat, have some tea.

00:14:38.660 Help! 0.98

00:14:39.980 Help! 0.98

00:14:41.220 Help me!

00:14:42.120 Imagine that.

00:14:43.260 Police smashing a woman for sitting on a park bench, drinking tea.

00:14:46.920 And she asks, she calls out to our reporter, Alvi Amini, to help her.

00:14:50.720 Who else are you going to call when the police are the criminals?

00:14:53.080 Who do you call?

00:14:54.400 But if police won't stop the mobs, if police are the mobs, maybe the courts will step in?

00:14:59.860 Maybe the judges?

00:15:01.360 Have they?

00:15:02.600 The courts didn't even stop Trudeau's COVID detention facilities at airports.

00:15:07.020 Those three-day COVID jails.

00:15:09.000 The Federal Court of Canada, and I know because we sent lawyers there.

00:15:12.980 They said this three-day imprisonment on pain of a huge fine, whether you were sick or healthy,

00:15:19.060 the court said not only was that constitutional, but it wasn't even a detention.

00:15:25.100 It wasn't even a violation of your rights.

00:15:27.060 They didn't even have to justify it.

00:15:28.880 What?

00:15:29.660 What?

00:15:31.280 Populists are denounced as violent, as harmful, as an unruly mob, as the threat to others,

00:15:37.480 as man in the state of nature, you know, ungoverned.

00:15:40.920 Populists will commit a war of all against all, which is why we need the Leviathan to 0.78

00:15:48.860 rule the mob.

00:15:50.500 Okay.

00:15:50.800 But I put it to you that, in fact, the populists, the dissenters, the protesters, the objectors,

00:15:57.420 they're the peaceful ones.

00:15:59.680 They're the ones respecting your autonomy, your privacy, your bodily integrity.

00:16:04.620 They're not the ones steamrolling over you and steamrolling over our civil liberties and our

00:16:09.420 charter of rights to get you.

00:16:11.620 No, keep that in mind as Trudeau introduces his next mob rule tactic, his censorship plans,

00:16:19.960 silencing opponents.

00:16:20.940 That's a mob tactic.

00:16:22.400 But the elitists are the ones who are going to use it to protect against harms, they say.

00:16:28.540 Sure, I'm a populist, but I'm not part of a violent mob.

00:16:32.340 That would be the government of Canada these days.

00:16:36.880 It's an ugly thing.

00:16:39.280 Stay with us for more.

00:16:40.360 Well, soon in Canada, if Justin Trudeau has his way, you will not be able to board an airplane,

00:16:58.700 a train, or a ship unless you are double vaccinated.

00:17:03.140 And if it's like other jurisdictions around the world, you'll have to keep up with the

00:17:06.640 boosters, or you'll fall back into an unvaccinated status.

00:17:11.220 I think that's how it is in Israel, where they're already on their fourth shot.

00:17:15.800 But Italy, of all the countries, seems to have one of the most brutal approaches.

00:17:20.880 Let me show you a video of a woman who is being denied entry to a hospital because she 0.51

00:17:27.840 doesn't have Italy's Green Pass, as they're called.

00:17:31.280 Take a look at this.

00:17:36.640 Well, don't think that's too far away in North America.

00:18:00.360 We've seen cases of would-be kidney transplant recipients denied their transplants.

00:18:06.820 Both the kidney donor and the kidney recipient want to go ahead with the surgery, but the

00:18:12.760 government says, no, you both need to be vaxxed.

00:18:15.680 More and more, we're having a caste system of the unclean, untervention, as it would have 0.99

00:18:23.700 been called in the original German.

00:18:25.600 But how can Italy warn us of what's to come?

00:18:30.320 Joining us now from Rome is Brie Dale, the Rome correspondent for the Epoch Times, who

00:18:36.760 joins us now via Skype.

00:18:37.920 Brie, it's really nice to meet you.

00:18:39.480 I follow you on Twitter.

00:18:41.300 This battle between the government and their Green Pass and millions of Italians is quite 0.93

00:18:51.280 shocking to see.

00:18:52.060 I'm talking about riot police putting their fire hoses on people.

00:18:56.820 This is what you do to violent criminals, but they're really criminalizing millions of

00:19:01.620 Italians, aren't they? 0.98

00:19:04.720 Ezra, thank you for having me on.

00:19:06.520 Yes, unfortunately, we have been seeing this escalation in police activity.

00:19:11.360 Now, to kind of do a backtrack, back in the summer, there were protests against the Green

00:19:16.600 Pass here in Italy, and workers were protesting because there were arguments to whether or not

00:19:23.000 they were going to pass something like the Green Pass law that is currently in place, or they

00:19:27.740 were going to continue with the shutdowns and the reopenings and shutdowns, all of which were

00:19:33.000 impacting small businesses.

00:19:34.240 If you walked around Rome, Italy during the early part of the year this year, you would

00:19:41.440 have seen so many cafes, so many small businesses completely shut down, and many of them have

00:19:46.660 not reopened.

00:19:48.080 And now with this Green Pass law, and this was incremental.

00:19:51.940 So first, in the earlier part of this month, in October, it was that we couldn't go into a

00:19:59.040 restaurant, couldn't go into a gym without a Green Pass or the CDC card, we couldn't go

00:20:04.240 into museums, and then the Vatican came out and said, we are going to also agree to that,

00:20:09.860 and I covered the Vatican, and they went further and said, none of the Vatican can be accessed

00:20:16.100 without the Green Pass.

00:20:17.760 Now, I have gone into St. Peter's without being asked for the Green Pass, but I have also been

00:20:22.100 told that that is being done.

00:20:23.800 So it's kind of piano piano, as the Italians say, one way or the other, a little by little,

00:20:30.120 they are starting to implement it in the Vatican.

00:20:32.580 But what has been just overwhelming, which has pushed Ezra, the people to protest, has

00:20:39.300 been the implementation of having a Green Pass to work.

00:20:43.940 So you cannot work now without having a Green Pass.

00:20:47.420 And I should mention, too, in Italy, it isn't just vaccination that you can get a Green Pass

00:20:52.580 with every 42 hours, you can go and get the tampone, which is the nasal swab, to be tested,

00:20:58.900 and you can also have a temporary Green Pass, Ezra.

00:21:02.420 Okay, well, that's an interesting addendum, but it's still insane that the entire country

00:21:09.160 is being locked down and run as some sort of biomedical security state.

00:21:13.460 I can understand that from a government, even though I oppose it.

00:21:16.200 But for the Vatican, I mean, I'm not Catholic myself, but I know a little bit about the story

00:21:22.660 and the traditions, and I've read a little bit about Jesus.

00:21:26.240 I mean, he was someone who did not say to the lepers, yuck, get away from me, you're unclean. 0.99

00:21:33.480 He went to them and healed them.

00:21:35.720 I mean, correct me if my recall of the Bible isn't accurate.

00:21:41.560 The idea that the Pope...

00:21:43.440 You're absolutely correct.

00:21:44.940 Like, it's shocking to me, like, of all the people in the world, like, I think of Mother

00:21:48.680 Teresa, who went to the lowest of the low, the dirtiest, the unhealthiest, and she did 0.93

00:21:54.780 that by choice and on purpose, because that's where the need was the most.

00:21:59.100 I can't even believe that the Vatican would be an extra powerful enforcer of this.

00:22:05.700 Right, and I think you also have to kind of look at the repercussions if you, say, had

00:22:13.240 an outbreak in the Vatican and potential lawsuits there, potential...

00:22:17.820 You know, the Vatican is having to deal with a lot in regards to having to walk the way

00:22:22.460 of the world as well as having to lead as religious leaders, and Pope Francis has been

00:22:26.820 very direct on the vaccine.

00:22:29.660 He believes that it is for the common good to receive the vaccine.

00:22:33.320 He has not claimed or he has not supported forced vaccinations in the Vatican itself for

00:22:39.280 workers.

00:22:39.880 You can request exemptions, and so that is happening in the Vatican.

00:22:44.800 But for the most part, people who work in the Vatican or work for the Vatican are vaccinated.

00:22:50.880 But the real question here in Italy at whole, and this is a really big concern for a lot of

00:22:56.800 countries who have universal health care is, you know, unlike in the United States, where

00:23:01.820 you still have a semblance of privacy for medical purposes, in Europe, you don't when you have

00:23:08.560 universal health care.

00:23:09.520 The government pays for your health care and, in turn, has access to your records.

00:23:14.840 And so this is how the government has been overseeing the vaccine.

00:23:18.440 And their intent, because of so much of the early days having a horrible effect on the

00:23:28.880 population, especially the elderly population in Italy, you know, that has been the message

00:23:35.380 that has been put out to the population.

00:23:38.080 But Ezra, I do believe, listening to those who are protesting, such as the protests in Trieste,

00:23:45.060 which is the port city there, and also in Genoa, who are also protesting at the ports,

00:23:52.060 dock workers are sitting in at these ports right now, protesting peacefully.

00:23:58.220 And they had water cannons poured on them for no reason. 0.87

00:24:02.880 I mean, we did see this past month some violence in Rome in response to this impending law.

00:24:11.480 This is now, the law has been actuated, and so people are sitting in and not working.

00:24:17.980 But Ezra, we are expecting to have more protests starting on Friday in Trieste.

00:24:24.940 They are expecting over 100,000 people at least protesting with the dock workers.

00:24:29.460 And I should mention, Ezra, that the New York Times, I actually approached the head of the

00:24:35.580 Bureau here in Rome for the New York Times today at a press conference to ask him whether or not

00:24:41.660 they were going to update their reports on what they had said was that the protests have fizzled

00:24:49.240 here in Italy, which has not been the case.

00:24:51.640 And he said, no, they wouldn't, unless there was something in the way of violence or some

00:24:56.020 big news out of there that, you know, there's other things going on in the world.

00:24:59.360 So there is what seems to be a concerted effort of those in the press to either ignore the

00:25:06.540 ongoing protests or to claim opposite from what they are, including claiming that this

00:25:13.160 is extreme right-wing anti-vax.

00:25:16.180 These are both left and right people who are mostly blue-collar, simple people who want to

00:25:21.980 work.

00:25:22.520 Yeah.

00:25:23.240 You know what?

00:25:23.800 It's funny because what I've observed over the last 18 months is that you see elements

00:25:30.540 of the left and the right combining.

00:25:32.840 I mean, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is no man of the right.

00:25:36.940 You see people who value privacy, civil liberties, bodily autonomy, pro-choice, you would say, people

00:25:44.740 who prefer natural approaches to health care as opposed to big pharma approaches.

00:25:49.100 I think calling it far right misses half the people.

00:25:52.420 But you're right to point out blue-collar.

00:25:55.040 I mean, you were mentioning the ports.

00:25:57.640 And I noticed that in Australia, the real first rebellion was the Construction Workers 0.96

00:26:03.120 Union in Melbourne suddenly told they all had to get jabbed.

00:26:07.240 And then I think of Southwest Airlines, where it was basically a work to rule, a work slowdown

00:26:15.120 by pilots and others that caused Southwest Airlines to blink.

00:26:19.460 And I think that if there is going to be some action that stops it, it's probably going to

00:26:25.860 be from working men and women.

00:26:27.240 And I mean, I even think back 40 years ago to the Solidarnosc movement, Solidarity, Lech

00:26:34.520 Quillen said it was the workers in the port, if I'm not mistaken.

00:26:39.800 And it was Orwell himself who said the proles, the proletariat will save us. 0.55

00:26:45.700 I think that that's the only way to stop this is to have mass shutdowns by working class people 1.00

00:26:52.300 because I don't see it from the fancy people, from the elites.

00:26:55.300 Let me ask you this question, Brie.

00:26:58.240 Is there any political opposition to these vaccine passports, the Green Pass? 0.94

00:27:04.700 Like, where's Salvini, for example?

00:27:07.160 Where are the people who were considered Euroskeptics or right-wingers?

00:27:12.080 Are they on board with the Green Pass?

00:27:16.340 Unfortunately, yes.

00:27:17.420 You know, Salvini, he is part of Lega.

00:27:22.600 It was once Lega Nord and considered probably the most conservative wing in Italy.

00:27:29.740 And for a while, he was doing very well with the blue-collar workers, the small business

00:27:36.840 owners, taking their side on any type of vaccine mandate, calling for choice, calling for privacy,

00:27:46.100 calling for restorative measures for the small business.

00:27:52.160 But towards the end, there was real pressure on the Italian, within Italian parliament.

00:28:01.640 And especially because of their new prime minister, that the only way to re-engage the economy,

00:28:10.880 to get things moving again, because most of the Italian economy is based off of tourism.

00:28:15.180 And because of the shutdowns and because of all of the measures that were taken last year

00:28:20.180 and the year prior to try to stop the influx of, you know, contagion, that nearly drew the

00:28:28.800 entire population to a halt, including the working population.

00:28:32.980 Ezra, there's something that must be said, and I think not a lot of people are seeing that

00:28:37.880 out in the population right now, is the end-to-end choices that have been made throughout multiple

00:28:45.120 administrations on this, you know, biological threat and what it means to the economy when

00:28:54.240 you shut down an entire economy.

00:28:56.220 It's not being spoken up enough.

00:28:58.340 And I'm doing an article for Newsmax magazine, and I was speaking with an economist yesterday,

00:29:05.300 and I said, are we going to see inflation?

00:29:07.640 He said, oh, we're going to feel it starting this Christmas.

00:29:10.780 He said, what are the two areas that's really going to be impacted?

00:29:14.400 It's going to be energy.

00:29:16.160 So gas prices, natural gas prices, heating is going to go sky high, and food prices.

00:29:23.280 We're already seeing it in the United States.

00:29:25.000 We're starting to see it in Italy, and who does that impact the most?

00:29:29.400 The blue-collar workers.

00:29:30.780 So this is going to take a while to recover from, and putting additional stress on the

00:29:37.800 blue-collar worker, saying you cannot work without this, and especially in a population

00:29:42.100 like Italy, it's, we're just, we're seeing what the effect is, is devastating, potential

00:29:49.900 devastation to the economy.

00:29:51.760 Last question, like I said before, Southwest Airlines managed to get their company to blink.

00:29:57.560 I see some restaurant chains, Chick-fil-A, In-N-Out Burger.

00:30:00.760 I mean, we see individual cases of companies blinking, but again, you have champions like

00:30:07.240 Florida Governor Ron DeSantis who were using some levers in the state.

00:30:11.560 Is there a chance, you think, that a mass protest in Trieste, or a mass shutdown of the ports,

00:30:20.520 do you think that would cause Italy to pull back from the brink, or do you think that they would

00:30:26.260 just turn more fire hoses on people? 0.78

00:30:27.960 I do think that it's going to continue for a while.

00:30:32.280 I think from what I'm hearing from my sources in government, they are starting to listen now.

00:30:38.580 But what's really necessary is to keep telling the truth and keep highlighting the fact that

00:30:44.060 these people are continuing the fight.

00:30:47.000 They are really encouraged in watching Americans, you know, making hard decisions on this and

00:30:53.240 watching some leadership out of the United States, as Europe does as well, in general.

00:30:58.000 So I would say there is hope.

00:31:01.180 There is hope.

00:31:01.880 But it's going to be long going, and I think there's going to be some long suffering involved

00:31:05.680 for the protesters, and it may be a very long winter as well, Ezra.

00:31:10.260 All right.

00:31:10.760 Well, thanks for the update from Rome.

00:31:12.140 Brie Dale, great to meet you.

00:31:13.500 Epoch Times, one of our favorite publications.

00:31:15.760 We'll look for your byline there.

00:31:17.260 Thanks for your time.

00:31:19.200 Thank you.

00:31:20.240 All right.

00:31:20.660 There you have it.

00:31:21.180 Stay with us.

00:31:21.880 More ahead on Rebel News.

00:31:23.240 Hey, welcome back.

00:31:37.240 Your feedback to me, Diego Alvarado says, while I was at the Ottawa Hospital's general campus

00:31:42.780 getting x-rays on my hand, there were pronoun posters covering the walls at the entrance to

00:31:48.860 the orthopedic cosmetic surgery unit and at each attendant's desk.

00:31:53.240 The receptionist asked a 60-plus-year-old woman in front of me what her preferred pronouns 0.99

00:31:58.600 was and went on to ask if it was they, them.

00:32:01.980 I was shocked, and the lady in line was just confused. 1.00

00:32:04.480 It was one of the dumbest things I've ever witnessed, and it felt completely forced. 0.90

00:32:08.600 No one real does that. 0.98

00:32:10.960 It's like this Latinx thing. 0.99

00:32:12.960 I showed you that poll, only 4% of Latinos do that.

00:32:16.940 It's just so weird.

00:32:18.260 That's what I said earlier about experts.

00:32:20.000 They sometimes not only want to make communication opaque and vague and have lots of code words

00:32:27.260 so only insiders have the lingo, but I think they want to continually become more and more

00:32:34.960 obscure as a weapon to denounce the plain people. 0.89

00:32:39.580 This whole pronouns thing is so weird to me.

00:32:44.020 Alfonso Liberty says, just what kind of world are these Democrats, liberals, and these uber-wokes

00:32:49.400 trying to bring us into?

00:32:51.440 I think that a new age of conservatives is being born.

00:32:55.340 Yeah, maybe, maybe to a small extent, but I am afraid of the opposite.

00:32:59.360 I'm afraid by the vast compliance, submissiveness, and, as I said earlier, the mob think of the

00:33:07.300 majority these days.

00:33:08.740 I think it's worse than ever.

00:33:11.360 Paul Albert says, my pronouns are Your Majesty and His Royal Highness.

00:33:16.760 Yeah, that's right.

00:33:18.280 Good luck getting anyone to use those with you, but maybe you have a human rights complaint

00:33:23.200 if they don't.

00:33:24.160 Well, that's our show for today.

00:33:25.500 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home,

00:33:30.260 good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

00:33:31.960 And as we do every day, let me leave you with a video selected from the rest of Rebel News'

00:33:38.300 daily output.

00:33:39.480 I'll leave you with that.

00:33:40.440 Good night.

00:33:41.820 Mocha Bezergan for Rebel News here in Manitoba, Steinbeck.

00:33:46.360 And I'm here because the pastor of this church got arrested.

00:33:55.500 God is able, the crowd sings, as they walk from corner to corner outside of an RCMP detachment.

00:34:13.140 Inside, their pastor is being held.

00:34:15.800 This was the scene in Steinbeck, Manitoba, on Monday night, after Pastor Tobias Thyssen

00:34:23.760 was captured by government forces.

00:34:26.260 He's going to Austria in the morning.

00:34:28.200 Can I go far away?

00:34:30.140 Pastor Tobias has been in hiding since May, after a warrant for his arrest was issued for

00:34:35.020 attending and organizing protests against government restrictions.

00:34:38.960 At the time, Manitoba's health bureaucrat, Brent Rosen, forbid Manitobans from gathering

00:34:45.800 with more than five people outside.

00:34:48.320 Accused of failing to comply with Section 90 1B under the Public Health Act, an arrest

00:34:54.000 warrant was issued.

00:34:56.240 It's okay, Travis.

00:34:57.300 Where are we going now?

00:34:58.820 They pulled him over and just arrested him in front of his own children.

00:35:03.020 He was taken to the RCMP detachment in Steinbeck, then transferred to the Manitoba Remand Center.

00:35:12.180 He has no choice other than to sign a condition saying that he will obey or continue to stay

00:35:19.760 in a cage.

00:35:21.680 Lawyers from Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms are fighting to secure a bail for

00:35:27.040 Tobias Thyssen.

00:35:28.020 But where does this political will to arrest innocent pastors is coming from?

00:35:36.380 Yeah, so that's a puzzling question.

00:35:38.280 We're seeing that kind of becoming a trend across the country.

00:35:41.640 I asked fellow pastor Henrik Hilderbrand.

00:35:43.780 It's very puzzling.

00:35:44.100 You see pastors being torn away from their children, from their families.

00:35:48.900 And, you know, these are not bad people.

00:35:51.320 These are people that are trying to actually help the communities, spread knowledge, spread

00:35:55.160 love, and do all these things.

00:35:57.160 And we can see that, you know, there's definitely something seriously wrong.

00:36:02.920 Canada has experienced a shockwave of targeted attacks on Christian churches.

00:36:08.780 There have been 68 attacks against churches across Canada in the last three months.

00:36:13.460 25 of these attacks destroyed the buildings completely.

00:36:16.920 And how many vandals were arrested so far?

00:36:20.280 Only one.

00:36:22.520 The prime minister said their anger was understandable.

00:36:27.340 One of my reflections is I understand the anger that's out there against the federal government,

00:36:33.540 against institutions like the Catholic Church.

00:36:35.900 It is real and it is fully understandable.

00:36:38.860 Gerald Butz, former principal secretary to Trudeau and longtime friend, said that their anger

00:36:45.560 may be understandable.

00:36:49.480 But when it comes to Pastor Tobias, when he gave a drive-in church service on the parking

00:36:54.920 lot to people who were inside their cars, RCMP blocked the roadway to the church parking

00:37:00.560 lot.

00:37:00.860 You want to come, peacefully gather, spread knowledge, hear the word of God, and then all of a

00:37:06.860 you have your driveway blocks, so that's quite puzzling.

00:37:09.660 And a week later, served Pastor with tens of thousands of dollars in tickets.

00:37:14.280 Public health services and the police took the license plates of the attendees to issue

00:37:17.840 them tickets.

00:37:19.260 Was it science when government and courts outlawed drive-in church services?

00:37:24.200 I believe in science, but I don't really trust all the scientists because there's so many

00:37:29.800 things that you can do for your advantage or the advantage of whatever the agenda is.

00:37:36.060 So I feel like the best science, you know, since everyone wants to go by the science, one

00:37:41.000 of the best ways to follow that is to actually see what's happening in real life and not just

00:37:45.500 what's coming over these mainstream media outlets.

00:37:49.200 And they will be...

00:37:50.420 According to then Premier Brian Pallister, no, his mandates were not based on science.

00:37:56.060 I can also say to anyone who's thinking that they should break the public health orders

00:38:02.560 is that I've come up with an 11th commandment, which is obey the public health orders.

00:38:08.560 And I would encourage everyone to make sure they do that.

00:38:11.300 That's the way he chooses to communicate with Christians.

00:38:14.580 Would it also be understandable for a man of faith to disobey Pallister's commandments?

00:38:18.820 We're standing with Pastor Tobias.

00:38:20.940 He's a good man.

00:38:22.220 I know him personally, and our children are puzzled about what's happening.

00:38:27.400 I know his boys.

00:38:30.000 I visited his family yesterday, and one of his boys had a Bible in his hand asking,

00:38:36.920 which chapter do you want?

00:38:38.140 And, you know, he wanted to say something out of the Bible.

00:38:40.700 And it was just very touching to see that's what his father has taught him.

00:38:46.200 He has, he's not teaching him violence.

00:38:48.360 He's not teaching him, you know, bad things.

00:38:51.200 He's teaching him the right way, and he's being persecuted for that.

00:38:55.680 There have been about 10 pastors across Canada who were jailed for opening their churches.

00:39:00.420 Where could you seek refuge if the courts are not upholding the charter?

00:39:05.940 That's a good question.

00:39:08.540 We trust in God.

00:39:10.260 Our faith is in God.

00:39:11.260 This is about our faith.

00:39:12.600 It's not about some kind of selfish thing.

00:39:14.440 It would be nice, though, if we could go somewhere and actually depend on somebody.

00:39:21.600 It would be nice if we could depend on the police themselves,

00:39:23.560 but it seems like they're not exactly doing the job that they should be doing like they should be doing.

00:39:31.460 How scientific and lawfully sound is it to arrest pastors and shut down their churches

00:39:37.120 when the government doesn't present any evidence of an outbreak that ever happened at any of these churches?

00:39:45.000 Whereas there is evidence that an outbreak at the CBC headquarters occurred.

00:39:49.980 Will there be any arrests?

00:39:51.680 Or is it only for people who stood outside, exceeding the five-people limitation?

00:39:58.400 Here's a picture of the RCMP officers who arrested Tobias, seen maskless and without two-meter distancing.

00:40:04.280 Pastor Tobias was released as of Wednesday after spending 45 hours behind bars.

00:40:15.940 The conditions he consented to did not infringe on his duties as a pastor,

00:40:21.100 but it does infringe on his right to protest government policies related to COVID-19.

00:40:27.020 He will appear before a judge in Steinbeck Provincial Court in November.

00:40:31.300 Bringing you the other side of the story comes with some costs, such as a plane ticket.

00:40:41.260 I had to fly from Calgary, such as a rental vehicle.

00:40:44.680 I had to drive to Steinbeck.

00:40:47.160 If you could cover these costs, the vehicle costs, $140 for example,

00:40:52.080 there was an extra charge because my age is 22.

00:40:55.260 Once I get 25, it's going to get cheaper.

00:40:57.020 But if you could cover these costs, that would be greatly appreciated.

00:41:01.300 So that we could continue to bring you the other side of the story.

00:41:04.520 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - October 22, 2021

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Who is the populist mob： lockdown skeptics, or the forced vaccine people？

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