Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Why is Canada supporting a Nazi battalion in Ukraine？

00:00:00.060 Hello, my Rebels. We've got a huge show for you today. It's enormous.

00:00:04.880 Let me start with the guest interview, Leslie Lewis.

00:00:07.380 She's throwing her hat into the ring for the leadership of the Conservative Party. 1.00

00:00:10.820 I have a good chat with her.

00:00:12.100 But before that, I have sort of a personal reflection on Ukraine and Nazis and liberals and all sorts of things.

00:00:20.260 I don't know, maybe it was too personal, too much of an essay rather than a news analysis, but I'll let you judge.

00:00:26.860 I felt like saying it. You can let me know what you think afterwards.

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00:00:37.440 I show a lot of photos and videos, photos and videos of the Holocaust, actually, to make a certain point,

00:00:44.060 and photos and videos of the Azov battalion in Ukraine.

00:00:49.160 What's that? Well, I'll try and explain it to you.

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00:00:57.660 All right, here's to the show.

00:01:03.940 You're listening to our latest podcast.

00:01:14.840 Tonight, why is Canada supporting a Nazi battalion in Ukraine?

00:01:19.100 It's March 10th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:24.600 Why should others go to jail when you're the biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:28.320 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:32.400 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:38.260 I don't know if you know this, but my family is originally from Ukraine.

00:01:47.220 My great-grandparents left there in 1903.

00:01:51.420 They're from Dniepro, which was once called Dniepro-Petrovsk.

00:01:56.700 It was under Soviet domination, and now it's Ukrainian, and who knows?

00:02:01.260 It might wind up Russian again. 0.92

00:02:03.180 I grew up in Alberta, of course, which is a lot of Ukrainian Canadians.

00:02:06.960 Western Canada was deliberately settled by the Canadian government with an appeal to Eastern Europeans

00:02:13.020 who knew how to farm in those conditions.

00:02:15.620 It was smart.

00:02:17.020 There are still some communities in the prairies where German is the first language,

00:02:22.480 and Ukrainian, too.

00:02:24.240 They teach Ukrainian in schools in places like Vegreville.

00:02:27.060 I'm Jewish, too, and there were a great number of Jews in Ukraine until the Holocaust.

00:02:35.220 More than a million Jews were killed there.

00:02:40.240 Here's a famous photograph, terrible photograph, searing in your memory.

00:02:44.640 This photograph has been called the last Jew in Vinitsa.

00:02:49.260 Whereas in Poland, they had concentration camps where they would kill Jews in a mass building.

00:02:56.120 In Ukraine, it was mobile killing squads called Einsatzgruppen, deployment groups in English,

00:03:05.000 and that's what they did.

00:03:08.480 Here's a picture of the Einsatzgruppen taking women of the town of Misoc, if I'm saying that right, 0.83

00:03:16.180 out to shoot them all in the forest.

00:03:18.540 What a horrific time and place. 0.98

00:03:20.820 Obviously, the Holocaust was perpetrated by the German Nazi Party and the SS and the Wehrmacht

00:03:26.940 and led by Adolf Hitler and other German Nazis.

00:03:32.900 For example, here's Adolf Eichmann, who was in charge of the final solution, as it was called.

00:03:38.080 But in the countries that Hitler invaded and conquered,

00:03:42.020 there were local politicians and local gangs and local militias and local soldiers

00:03:48.180 that were only too happy to team up with the Nazi invaders. 0.59

00:03:52.460 We know this in other countries, in Western Europe, in Northern Europe.

00:03:56.400 I don't know if you remember the phrase,

00:03:58.700 Quisling, if you ever learned about that.

00:04:03.120 Vidkun Quisling, he's the guy on the left there.

00:04:06.180 He was the Norwegian, who was happy to collaborate with the Nazi invaders. 0.96

00:04:12.500 He was made the head of the puppet Nazi government in Norway, but he was Norwegian.

00:04:19.320 The insult, calling someone a Quisling, isn't widely used anymore, I don't think.

00:04:24.660 I think people sort of forget what it means and who he was.

00:04:27.440 But for a generation, Vidkun Quisling's sellout to the Nazis made his name synonymous with disgraceful disloyalty,

00:04:36.780 with being a traitor. 0.64

00:04:37.980 To call someone a Quisling is to be a traitor.

00:04:41.220 Well, it happens everywhere, for ideological reasons or for opportunists just taking an opportunity in the moment.

00:04:49.780 If you feel hard done in a certain regime, and then that regime is conquered by an invader, maybe you'll like it.

00:05:00.140 Maybe this is your big chance.

00:05:02.100 Maybe if you collaborate with the invader, you get to be on top now, not on the bottom.

00:05:06.700 If you enjoy violence, well, it was your moment, wasn't it?

00:05:11.080 If you had a hatred.

00:05:12.600 This is an appealing invitation to many young men.

00:05:15.860 It's how ISIS recruited terrorists to go to Iraq and Syria.

00:05:20.420 Come and do the violence to the infidels. 1.00

00:05:23.780 Come and have rape slaves. 1.00

00:05:26.540 Come and do everything you've ever wanted to do, not just with impunity, but with encouragement and reward. 0.99

00:05:35.720 And so it was with the local Nazi sympathizers across Europe.

00:05:38.960 It's just a fact.

00:05:40.420 It's tough to learn about these things as an adult.

00:05:43.120 I can tell you it's tough to learn about them as a kid.

00:05:46.740 I was a child in Jewish school in Calgary.

00:05:50.060 I learned about the Holocaust as a young boy.

00:05:52.300 And I even had our teacher and our principal were concentration camp survivors.

00:05:56.700 This was in the 70s.

00:05:58.240 Imagine their story.

00:05:59.420 So you're a six or seven year old and you're learning about the Holocaust.

00:06:03.320 And it's the first time you hear about places like Poland, where Auschwitz is.

00:06:09.900 And maybe you hear about Ukraine.

00:06:12.800 I mean, you're just a kid.

00:06:13.860 What do you know?

00:06:14.320 You hear about Babi Yar.

00:06:16.620 That's this ravine where the German Nazis and their local supporters massacred more than 30,000 Jews in just two days in 1941.

00:06:26.040 You hear these things and they scare you and they color your views on the world.

00:06:31.960 When I was a child growing up in the 1970s and 1980s, I remember there were many Jews who refused to buy German cars like Mercedes because of the Holocaust.

00:06:43.360 I think a lot of the Polish jokes that used to be so popular in the 70s and 80s were a kind of revenge by Jewish comedians against the place where so many Jews were killed.

00:06:56.060 And I say all this because I like Germans and I like Germany.

00:07:00.560 And although I haven't been to Ukraine, I grew up amongst countless Ukrainian Canadians in Alberta.

00:07:05.640 How could you not?

00:07:06.360 And so the bitter history of the Holocaust met the reality of life two generations later.

00:07:14.440 We were all friends now here in Canada.

00:07:16.720 And though I believe in remembering the past and learning from it, we cannot engage in collective guilt.

00:07:25.080 I believe that there were Nazis in Germany and Nazis throughout the world who collaborated with the Germans.

00:07:31.620 But I also know that there were many righteous Gentiles who saved Jews, like Oskar Schindler, after whom the famous movie was made, like the family that hid Anne Frank.

00:07:43.980 The world is complicated, but we live in 2022, not 1942.

00:07:48.640 We must try to love each other now and we can all agree that Nazism is evil. 0.53

00:07:53.120 My real worry, to tell you the truth, is that nobody even knows what a Nazi is, what the Holocaust was.

00:07:59.320 Nazi is just some insult that Trudeau uses against truckers, right? 0.98

00:08:05.480 Nazi is just what you're called after they call you racist, sexist, anti-gay, transphobic. 0.98

00:08:10.120 It's just they throw that in, too, don't they? 0.94

00:08:12.520 I mean, seriously, if we sent reporters out to the center of the city and asked random people on the street,

00:08:22.080 hey, excuse me, can I stop for a second?

00:08:23.740 Who won?

00:08:25.340 Let's just ask, who fought the Second World War?

00:08:27.640 Do you think a random person on the street would know?

00:08:30.960 If you asked them who won, do you think they would know?

00:08:34.100 I'm not saying that you and I are smarter than anyone.

00:08:37.640 I'm saying that things fade over time.

00:08:41.160 People are interested in their own lives, their own times.

00:08:43.620 New immigrants to Canada from nontraditional sources of immigration like Africa or Asia.

00:08:48.320 They don't know the history of the European Holocaust.

00:08:51.660 I doubt they studied the Holocaust in school.

00:08:54.380 They don't really study anything in school.

00:08:58.040 So it's all sort of fading away.

00:09:01.600 I'm conservative.

00:09:02.520 You might call me right wing, though that doesn't really mean a lot these days.

00:09:05.420 And I've traveled widely in Canada, at least until they put unvaccinated people on a no-fly list.

00:09:11.320 It was brought in by Trudeau, who implied unvaccinated people are tantamount to Nazis.

00:09:15.920 Anyway, there won't be a no-fly zone over Ukraine, but there really is a, you know, Trudeau bravely imposed a no-fly list over Canada.

00:09:27.020 I've traveled before the ban on me flying.

00:09:30.060 I've traveled to nine provinces and two territories, and I have met a lot of people in my life.

00:09:34.680 And I run in populist conservative circles, and I talk to a lot of people online also.

00:09:41.120 And I have to tell you that in my 50 years, I have never met a Nazi in Canada.

00:09:48.400 Just never.

00:09:49.120 Never seen a real Nazi.

00:09:50.340 Not once.

00:09:51.160 Ever.

00:09:52.380 It's not in our national history.

00:09:54.480 It's not part of our culture.

00:09:56.000 It's just not real here.

00:09:57.700 Oh, there are a few pretenders, people who play dress-up, people who get a tattoo, or people who hide in their basements taking pictures of themselves on a cell phone saying,

00:10:07.340 Heil Hitler. 0.96

00:10:08.480 There are LARPers, live-action role players.

00:10:13.180 There are people playing dress-up.

00:10:14.980 They do it for the shock and awe as rebellion against society, against their parents, against the world,

00:10:21.300 because they're frustrated by things, or simply because they know it's a bad thing, and they want to show that they will do bad things.

00:10:29.340 I told you I went to Jewish school as a young kid, but I also went to a school in the country, west of Calgary, countryside.

00:10:37.320 And obviously, my sister and I were the only Jews in the whole school.

00:10:40.760 And it was there that I first encountered a kid drawing a swastika on a desk.

00:10:48.100 Now, I was shocked.

00:10:50.780 I was hurt. 0.70

00:10:52.980 I mean, here was the symbol that I had been taught was a symbol, a sign of violent death to the Jews.

00:10:59.460 But the kid who was scrawling the swastika, I remember his name, I'm not going to say it.

00:11:04.260 When I challenged him, he literally didn't know what it was.

00:11:08.460 He had no clue what he was drawing.

00:11:10.180 He didn't know what it was called.

00:11:12.620 He didn't know what it meant.

00:11:14.360 He just saw it and knew it was a very bad thing to do, and that is why he drew it.

00:11:22.300 It would be like drawing a naked lady or a swear word. 1.00

00:11:26.660 That's what he did.

00:11:29.880 And I tell you that shocking but harmless encounter as a child,

00:11:34.560 that was the most anti-Semitic Nazi thing I've ever seen in my entire life in Canada.

00:11:41.920 A kid who didn't even know what he said.

00:11:43.400 Canada is not racist.

00:11:46.900 Ukrainians and Germans are not racist.

00:11:49.160 They're not Nazis.

00:11:50.000 In fact, they're quite liberal and tolerant in many ways.

00:11:53.140 In fact, I think sometimes, and I've been to Germany a few times,

00:11:56.940 I think Germans in particular are still reacting to and apologizing for and trying to counterbalance their past. 0.97

00:12:03.580 And in some ways, they're punishing themselves for what their grandparents did.

00:12:06.500 I think they're too liberal now as if it'll balance things out.

00:12:12.580 All right.

00:12:13.060 Ten minutes of my personal stories.

00:12:14.820 Forgive me.

00:12:15.720 But I wanted to make it clear to you that I'm sensitive to Nazis and anti-Semitism,

00:12:20.380 and I care about the Holocaust.

00:12:23.020 And I visited the Holocaust Museum in Israel and the one in Washington, D.C. several times.

00:12:29.700 So on my mind, it's part of who I am, but it's in the background.

00:12:32.800 It's not the center of who I am.

00:12:34.080 And it bothers me deeply when liberals like Justin Trudeau and his deputy, Christian Freeland, 0.99

00:12:40.320 and the rest of the fools in the Liberal Party throw around words like Nazi so cavalierly. 0.99

00:12:49.680 You know, it's as if they're, it's because what they're doing is they're taking the chilling, shocking, horrific evil of the Nazis. 0.99

00:13:00.040 Here's another picture of the Einsatzgruppen in Russia.

00:13:02.040 And they're using it as a talking point, as a little heckle, just a dart, something to fill the daily chatter,

00:13:10.040 something just to zing their opponents with.

00:13:11.860 They're profaning it, really.

00:13:13.160 It's like a very sharp knife that has to remain sharp, but you're dulling it with overuse.

00:13:18.240 No, the truckers are not Nazis.

00:13:22.700 How much vitriol do we have to see of honk honk, which is an acronym for Hail Hitler, 0.65

00:13:28.640 do we need to see by these protesters on social media?

00:13:33.860 That was the worst.

00:13:34.900 An Israeli Jew in the Liberal Party trotted out to compare horn honking to saying,

00:13:40.340 Hail Hitler, if you've got to engage in those kind of mental gymnastics, sister,

00:13:46.240 to find Nazis where there are none, you live in a pretty safe place. 0.99

00:13:50.900 There are no real Nazis in Canada, which is why demand exceeds supply,

00:13:56.420 which is why hustlers and hucksters and race baiters and the Southern Poverty Law Center

00:14:02.000 and the so-called Canadian Anti-Hate Network work so constantly to promote hate hoaxes.

00:14:08.680 There just aren't enough real incidents of hate in Canada.

00:14:13.320 The Canadian Anti-Hate Network, it's an Orwellian name,

00:14:16.620 they're actually paid more than a quarter million dollars by Trudeau to dig up hate

00:14:21.120 and then make public complaints about it, to gin it up.

00:14:25.280 They'll call anyone a Nazi.

00:14:26.720 They're getting paid to do so.

00:14:30.140 So here I'm now, I've just taken up all your time

00:14:32.900 and I have not yet told you what I want to tell you.

00:14:36.780 I want to tell you about real Nazis in Canada.

00:14:39.400 I don't think there are any because I haven't met any.

00:14:45.120 Certainly not amongst the Conservative Party or the People's Party or the Truckers. 1.00

00:14:51.020 But there have been a few.

00:14:52.820 I haven't met every Canadian.

00:14:55.060 There have been a few actual Nazis who sneaked in.

00:14:59.760 One of them was named Michael Chomiak.

00:15:05.200 He was one of those local collaborators with the Nazis I told you about

00:15:10.160 when the Nazis would conquer a country. 0.59

00:15:11.700 He was one of the locals.

00:15:12.880 He ran a pro-Nazi newspaper and he just happens to be Chrystia Freeland's grandfather.

00:15:20.640 Chrystia Freeland, the Deputy Prime Minister of Canada.

00:15:23.180 Now you cannot blame a grandchild for what her grandfather did

00:15:28.040 before they were even born.

00:15:29.680 That's not fair.

00:15:31.200 That's not right.

00:15:32.220 And that's what I would say to all Germans and all Ukrainians. 0.68

00:15:37.260 But Chrystia Freeland actively covered up her grandfather's crimes.

00:15:41.260 She hid them.

00:15:43.200 She covered for him.

00:15:47.380 And she's being, well, if not a Nazi, 0.62

00:15:49.560 I won't casually call her a Nazi in the same manner

00:15:52.400 that she calls the Truckers Nazis.

00:15:54.440 She's been awfully sympathetic, shall we say,

00:15:56.940 to Nazi collaborators, past and present.

00:15:59.380 And I'm not even talking about her grandpa anymore.

00:16:01.000 Here's a story from our friends at True North

00:16:03.160 showing Chrystia Freeland holing up the colors of blood and soil,

00:16:07.360 the colors of the Bandera movement, an actual Nazi movement in Ukraine.

00:16:12.880 Freeland was caught with this scarf, with this banner,

00:16:15.400 and she deleted the tweet, but not before it was captured.

00:16:19.980 Okay, could happen to anyone, I suppose.

00:16:23.580 Freeland is pretty deep into Ukrainian nationalism.

00:16:26.500 Again, no problem.

00:16:27.200 I believe in nationalism, by the way.

00:16:30.120 Do you know that she has an apartment in Ukraine?

00:16:32.400 I didn't know that.

00:16:32.980 I think that's wonderful.

00:16:33.620 I wish I had an apartment in other countries to go visit, too.

00:16:38.700 Here's the story where I learned that.

00:16:40.860 She wrote about it.

00:16:42.000 She talks about her grandparents and all that she learned from them.

00:16:46.900 By this point, she was still keeping her grandfather's Nazism a secret.

00:16:52.920 She actually has the temerity in this essay to claim that her family fled Nazism.

00:16:59.700 No, sister, your grandpa was a Nazi and you were hiding it. 0.67

00:17:04.700 You were pretending you were anti-Nazi. 0.96

00:17:07.640 Your grandpa was a Nazi. 0.82

00:17:08.940 Okay, fine, fine.

00:17:09.800 Family is family.

00:17:10.640 And things in the past are muddy.

00:17:14.060 We've talked about before how everyone says that they would be the one guy in the crowd not seek heiling Adolf Hitler.

00:17:22.080 But we know that's not true because we've watched in the past two years how most people have absolutely gone along with everything awful.

00:17:30.660 Nothing as awful as the Nazi Holocaust, but brutal treatment of dissonance, of segregation, of dehumanization, of jailing pastors, of telling us who we can meet and can't meet, who can come to our house, who can say what, who can work where, who must be fired, who must submit to the state. 0.76

00:17:48.060 It's not the Nazism of Babi Yar, but it's the Nazism of the Nuremberg Laws in 1935.

00:17:58.060 And it absolutely is.

00:18:00.600 And what did you get?

00:18:02.500 What did you do these past two years?

00:18:04.960 That would be a good approximation of what you might have done had you been around in the 30s in that terrible place in time.

00:18:12.360 And I prefer not to talk about Ukraine and Germany and Poland and Russia during the Holocaust.

00:18:19.060 Certainly not to my Ukrainian and German and Polish and Russian friends.

00:18:22.740 I want to learn from the past, but I don't want to be trapped by it.

00:18:25.780 And I certainly don't want to be turned hateful because of it.

00:18:28.340 I don't want to engage in collective guilt because of it.

00:18:30.800 I love Canadians and I love Alberta where I grew up.

00:18:33.140 And I'm deeply grateful that I grew up there amongst Ukrainians and Scots and Mormons and the Indian Reserve not far away.

00:18:43.580 I was lucky to be born in 1972.

00:18:46.480 I think the people born in 2002, I think I'm luckier than them.

00:18:51.080 I think that's true.

00:18:52.100 But let's not talk about history or blame for things in the past or collective guilt.

00:18:56.600 Let's talk about today, okay?

00:18:57.780 And I don't even mean Chrystia Freeland hiding her past or lying about her past or pretending that she was an anti-Nazi.

00:19:05.220 I mean what she's doing now and what Canada is doing now.

00:19:09.700 Look at this story from the Ottawa Citizen just a couple months ago.

00:19:13.320 From the Ottawa Citizen.

00:19:15.220 The story is Canadian officials who met with Ukrainian unit linked to neo-Nazis feared exposure by news media documents, say documents.

00:19:24.940 A year before the meeting, Canada's Joint Task Force, Ukraine, produced a briefing on the Azov Battalion, acknowledging its links to Nazi ideology.

00:19:36.020 The Azov Battalion.

00:19:38.380 So this isn't just Chrystia Freeland's personal life now.

00:19:43.320 This is a government policy of the government of Canada.

00:19:46.020 Did you know the Canadian government was meeting with Nazi paramilitaries?

00:19:51.480 And they knew about it.

00:19:52.120 It wasn't an accident.

00:19:54.640 Just like the Nazi militaries who worked with Hitler's Nazis at Babi Yar. 0.86

00:19:59.020 Let me read a little bit from the story in the Ottawa Citizen.

00:20:01.780 Canadian officials who met with members of the Ukrainian battalion linked to neo-Nazis didn't denounce the unit,

00:20:08.460 but were instead concerned the media might expose details of the get-together, according to newly released documents.

00:20:16.540 The Canadians met with and were briefed by leaders from the Azov Battalion in June 2018.

00:20:22.560 The officers and diplomats did not object to the meeting and instead allowed themselves to be photographed with battalion officials,

00:20:32.080 despite previous warnings that the unit saw itself as pro-Nazi.

00:20:35.880 The Azov Battalion then used those photos for its online propaganda,

00:20:42.900 pointing out the Canadian delegation expressed hopes for further fruitful cooperation.

00:20:48.640 Wow.

00:20:50.220 But it wasn't just meetings.

00:20:52.480 It was military training.

00:20:54.960 Is that another accident also?

00:20:57.620 Allegations of Canadian troops training neo-Nazis and war criminals sparks military review.

00:21:02.860 A review into how Canada approves the foreign military personnel it trains should be ready by early next year,

00:21:10.380 but parts of the study will need to remain secret.

00:21:13.940 The review comes as a Jewish group in Ukraine is highlighting a new video of Ukrainian paratroopers

00:21:19.060 singing a song to honor Stepan Bandera.

00:21:22.760 Bandera was an anti-Semite and Nazi collaborator

00:21:25.980 whose organization is linked to the murder of more than 100,000 Jews and Poles during the Second World War.

00:21:33.360 He is revered in Ukrainian nationalist and far-right circles.

00:21:37.720 The Canadian military was warned in 2015 before starting its Ukraine training mission

00:21:43.140 about the dangers of the far-right within the Ukrainian military ranks,

00:21:46.740 but the senior leadership largely ignored those concerns.

00:21:51.980 Stepan Bandera.

00:21:53.600 That's Chrystia Freeland's hero.

00:21:56.080 That was that banner she was holding.

00:21:59.700 She was holding that banner, the Bandera banner.

00:22:04.040 Now, let me be crystal clear.

00:22:05.340 The Azov Battalion does not represent all of Ukraine or all the Ukraine military or all Ukrainians.

00:22:13.320 And frankly, even if it did, that does an excuse of Putin's war against Ukraine

00:22:19.620 that is brutal and deadly and invasive and imperialistic and illegal,

00:22:24.340 led by Vladimir Putin, a former KGB agent who seeks to rebuild the Russian Empire.

00:22:28.860 But when Putin claims, as he does, that one of his aims is to denazify Ukraine,

00:22:35.020 he is not talking about it like Yara Sachs,

00:22:38.640 saying, honk, honk, it's the sign of a Nazi takeover. 0.55

00:22:42.660 He's talking about armed militias, like with tanks and things.

00:22:49.000 Honk, honk isn't a real thing.

00:22:51.080 But real Nazis with real military gear and real military battalions, 0.86

00:22:55.380 that actually is a real thing.

00:22:57.760 And it looks like the Canadian military was actually training them,

00:23:02.780 possibly supplying them with missiles.

00:23:05.120 I don't know.

00:23:06.420 Now, I'm not saying that's justification for an invasion by Putin,

00:23:09.500 although it is very, very odd, isn't it?

00:23:12.560 I'm just saying it's a real factor.

00:23:15.320 If you try to Google anything about the subject,

00:23:19.360 you'll note that it's pretty hard to find Putin's actual statements about the Azov battalion.

00:23:24.680 I checked in Google.

00:23:26.100 I have to go through page after page.

00:23:27.840 They will not let you find it easily.

00:23:29.520 They'll give you a hundred links to fact checks or rebuttals to Putin's case,

00:23:36.620 many of which point out the obvious, that Ukraine's president is himself Jewish,

00:23:42.240 Volodymyr Zelensky.

00:23:43.740 So obviously it can't be true that there's Nazis in Ukraine, right?

00:23:47.120 Well, it is true, even if it is weird.

00:23:49.780 They don't often use the German Nazi flag.

00:23:54.940 Why would they?

00:23:55.560 They're Ukrainian.

00:23:56.620 They use their own symbol.

00:23:59.020 Sometimes they use another Nazi symbol called the Black Sun.

00:24:03.620 Here's Catherine McKenna, the disgraced former Trudeau cabinet minister,

00:24:06.880 giving a shout out to some pretty Ukrainian girls on Women's Day a couple days ago. 0.70

00:24:13.180 When I pointed out on Twitter that the girls in the top right corner were wearing that Nazi symbol, 1.00

00:24:22.980 the Black Sun, Catherine McKenna deleted a tweet, just like Chrystia Freeland deleted a tweet.

00:24:28.040 It's happening a lot, isn't it?

00:24:29.360 It's not just the Azov battalion.

00:24:31.540 Here's another one.

00:24:32.680 Don't take it from me.

00:24:33.360 This is from the BBC.

00:24:35.420 This is a documentary that they made a few years ago.

00:24:38.920 I just want you to watch the first minute or two.

00:24:41.060 Okay, take a look.

00:24:41.560 This is from the BBC.

00:24:43.180 This video has sent a shiver across Ukraine.

00:24:58.340 The marching young men are far-right nationalists from the Nazionalny Druzhiny, or National Militia.

00:25:09.720 They're at a sacred spot.

00:25:11.400 Ukraine's crucible. 0.77

00:25:14.640 Maidan, Independence Square in central Kiev.

00:25:20.600 This was the Maidan in 2014, as hundreds of thousands of people rallied and ultimately forced out an unpopular president.

00:25:29.740 Russia branded it a coup, orchestrated by neo-Nazis and fascists.

00:25:37.060 It wasn't true then.

00:25:38.660 But four years on, Ukraine's far-right is on the march, and there appears little appetite for stopping it.

00:25:47.860 Here's a major pro-Ukraine news outlet showing the delivery of Javelin anti-tank missile systems to the Azov battalion.

00:26:00.020 A shipment of N-LAW grenade launchers and instructors from NATO countries arrived in Kharkiv.

00:26:09.900 The Azov regiment was the first to learn about their new weaponry.

00:26:13.820 Can you zoom in on the photo on the right?

00:26:17.180 Look at that guy's arm patch. 0.98

00:26:20.360 He's a Nazi. 0.98

00:26:21.420 Not a honk-honk, pretend Nazi who doesn't exist. 0.99

00:26:26.940 I mean, like, he's a real Nazi. 0.92

00:26:28.000 He says so.

00:26:29.700 Isn't that incredible?

00:26:31.020 Here's something you might not see every day in Canada.

00:26:33.380 The NATO flag, the Azov flag, and the German-Nazi flag all together. 0.61

00:26:38.280 You've got to admit that's weird.

00:26:40.520 This is normalized, though.

00:26:41.660 Here's Ilya Ponomarenko, if I'm saying right.

00:26:45.440 He's the editor of the Kiev Independent, and he was sworn in as an honorary member of the Azov battalion.

00:26:55.120 Okie dokie.

00:26:56.920 Some of his writers are in the battalion, too, he says.

00:27:00.640 That's what he's saying.

00:27:02.020 Here he is, happy to tweet the Azov battalion and its Nazi-style logo in the picture.

00:27:08.740 I should tell you, Chrystia Freeland has given hundreds of thousands of Canadian tax dollars to this Kiev Independent News Agency.

00:27:16.660 Oh, what, you didn't think Trudeau's media bailout you thought was just for Canadians, did you?

00:27:22.280 And now let me end this story as I began it.

00:27:25.920 I don't like war.

00:27:26.780 I don't like Putin.

00:27:27.640 I don't like civilian casualties.

00:27:29.160 I hate to see the news out of Ukraine.

00:27:30.540 I don't like propaganda on any side, frankly.

00:27:32.640 But I have a difficult time sorting through rumors and fog and, you know, from the truth here on all sides.

00:27:41.400 It's very difficult to know what's going on.

00:27:42.840 And I don't trust the journalists in most cases.

00:27:45.380 But one thing I am seeing so often is that there really are Nazi paramilitaries in Ukraine.

00:27:53.440 It's not most people.

00:27:56.280 It's not all people.

00:27:57.660 It's, you know, it's not even most people who care about Ukraine.

00:28:00.980 No, not at all.

00:28:01.600 But they are there.

00:28:03.780 They really are.

00:28:04.980 It's happening often enough that liberal MPs keep casually tweeting pictures of the Nazis until they have to take them down.

00:28:13.120 Here's a CTV story.

00:28:14.540 They promoted one of these Nazi battalions, but they didn't recognize some of their insignia.

00:28:20.720 How would you?

00:28:22.540 Look at how they backpedaled.

00:28:24.380 CTV News Vancouver aired a story Tuesday that included an image of two female Ukrainian soldiers who were wearing, get this, an offensive symbol on their uniforms, which was regrettably not recognized before being broadcast.

00:28:41.140 The image has been removed from our coverage.

00:28:43.500 An offensive symbol.

00:28:46.300 What was it, a swear word?

00:28:48.760 Was it a naked person or something?

00:28:51.040 Offensive?

00:28:51.840 Offensive like what?

00:28:54.060 Why the weird vagueness?

00:28:56.740 What was the image?

00:28:58.600 Why won't they say what it is?

00:29:01.820 You know, calling it offensive is how someone might react to it, but it doesn't actually describe it well because they want to pretend that this is not happening.

00:29:10.420 There are no Nazis there.

00:29:13.500 They want to pretend that the only Nazis in the world are here in Canada at the trucker convoy.

00:29:20.380 You know, the ones saying honk honk.

00:29:23.840 How much vitriol do we have to see of honk honk, which is an acronym for Hail Hitler.

00:29:29.780 Do we need to see by these protesters on social media?

00:29:34.620 Mm-hmm.

00:29:36.560 How much?

00:29:38.060 How many?

00:29:39.160 You know, the official hate finders, they go nuts to find Nazis where there are none.

00:29:45.560 You know what I'm talking about, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Canadian Anti-Hate Network.

00:29:49.200 I went to both of their websites today, completely silent on the actual, real, armed paramilitary Nazis in Ukraine that Western powers are arming and training and promoting.

00:30:04.960 I don't get it.

00:30:06.800 I mean, maybe I understand it coming from Chrystia Freeland.

00:30:09.840 I mean, these are her grandfather's people.

00:30:13.220 But I really don't get it.

00:30:14.640 I mean, you can be for Ukraine, but against the Nazis, right?

00:30:19.400 I think that's the best way to be.

00:30:21.340 I just find it bizarre and crazy and troubling that the most real Nazis left on Earth, I mean, really, are there any actual Nazis anywhere else on Earth?

00:30:33.480 The real ones have been officially deemed the good guys.

00:30:39.280 No, I don't think they're the good guys.

00:30:40.960 I'm not going to claim that all Ukrainians are like those folks.

00:30:44.060 I want to believe, and I think I do believe, that they are a small fringe.

00:30:50.720 That's the language Trudeau used to talk about the truckers, didn't they?

00:30:54.780 A small fringe with unacceptable views.

00:30:58.200 The small fringe minority of people who are on their way to Ottawa or who are holding unacceptable views that they're expressing

00:31:11.200 do not represent the views of Canadians who have been there for each other,

00:31:19.020 who know that following the science and stepping up to protect each other

00:31:24.720 is the best way to continue to ensure our freedoms, our rights, our values as a country.

00:31:31.280 So when we really do have a small fringe of Nazis with unacceptable views,

00:31:35.980 shouldn't we call them out?

00:31:37.220 Or at least just brainstorming here, maybe stop arming them and training them and promoting them?

00:31:48.440 Remember this when they call you a Nazi next time.

00:31:54.520 Stay with us for more.

00:32:07.220 Welcome back.

00:32:10.000 Well, I am delighted that the Conservative Party of Canada is having another leadership race.

00:32:15.060 It is no secret that I was a critic of Aaron O'Toole, not just because he didn't win,

00:32:20.880 which of course is the main characteristic you look for in a politician,

00:32:23.480 but because I don't think he was particularly conservative.

00:32:27.120 And I think one of the side effects of the trucker rebellion was that issue was forced,

00:32:32.180 and the Conservative caucus said goodbye to him.

00:32:34.160 It was a bit of a miracle, political accountability, I think.

00:32:37.240 And the race is on.

00:32:38.800 The starter pistol has been shot.

00:32:40.500 The date, if I'm not mistaken, of the new leadership vote is in September 10th.

00:32:45.940 Now, that feels like an eternity from now, but it's not too far away.

00:32:50.400 I suppose they put it in the distance to get a chance to some outsiders to throw their hat in the ring.

00:32:55.580 I see reports that Jean Charest, the former Mulroney cabinet minister and then Liberal Premier of Quebec,

00:33:01.880 is considering throwing his hat in the ring.

00:33:04.800 Patrick Brown, the former Ontario PC leader, who's now the mayor of Brampton.

00:33:09.780 Pierre Polyev has been actively campaigning.

00:33:12.860 Roman Baber, the Ontario MPP who came out against lockdowns, announced his campaign last night.

00:33:17.840 But one of our favorite people is throwing her hat in the ring. 1.00

00:33:22.940 I'm talking about Dr. Leslyn Lewis, the MP for Haldeman Norfolk,

00:33:26.900 who did so well in the last leadership campaign.

00:33:29.280 What a delight to welcome her back to the show.

00:33:31.560 Dr. Lewis, it's great to see you again.

00:33:33.560 You can see I'm a fan, and I don't even care who knows.

00:33:36.740 I'm not hiding it.

00:33:37.580 Great to see you again.

00:33:38.820 I'm delighted that you're running in the leadership campaign.

00:33:41.520 Tell me a little bit about your strategy, what you're going to emphasize as your issues.

00:33:45.800 What do you hope to accomplish?

00:33:48.620 Thanks for having me here, Ezra.

00:33:50.920 So many people would ask, well, why are you doing this again?

00:33:54.740 And to be honest with you, that not much has changed since last time.

00:33:58.360 I'm still concerned about the direction of the country.

00:34:01.500 I'm still concerned about our $1.3 trillion debt.

00:34:05.800 Now with the war between Russia and Ukraine,

00:34:09.660 I'm concerned about some of our environmental policies that we have,

00:34:13.560 where we didn't develop our pipelines.

00:34:16.300 And looking back, we can see that that was a grave mistake.

00:34:19.920 And so I want to put forth a platform that will get Canadians on track,

00:34:26.280 make sure that we're developing our natural resources,

00:34:30.760 and also that we also have a plan to protect the environment.

00:34:34.360 I don't believe that those things are mutually exclusive.

00:34:37.200 I also want to see people, businesses, have hope again.

00:34:41.100 And as you know, 80% of all Canadians are employed by small businesses.

00:34:46.260 And so we have to find a way to get them back, get hope back to them so that we could rebound out of COVID and get people employed,

00:34:55.060 start building up revenues and pay down that debt.

00:34:57.820 Those are interesting points.

00:35:00.260 Of course, I agree with, I mean, the pipelines.

00:35:03.600 Canada could so obviously be a supplier of what I call ethical oil to the world.

00:35:08.960 We could displace Russia and OPEC nations. 0.71

00:35:11.920 I believe in the economic issues.

00:35:14.520 I think those are very important.

00:35:16.260 But Dr. Lewis, one of the things that has come home to me over the last two years is that sometimes we take our civil liberties for granted.

00:35:23.340 Because, yes, the debt is important, and, yes, pipelines are a solution, and, yes, getting small businesses.

00:35:29.500 That's all important.

00:35:30.780 You can't buy groceries.

00:35:34.240 You can't pay the rent if you don't have those things.

00:35:36.380 But there are some other intangibles, civil liberties, freedom of speech,

00:35:41.140 that I think the lockdowns of the last two years have really showed us the importance of those age-old principles.

00:35:48.000 What do you have to say about freedom of speech and freedom of protest, the recent civil liberties inferno of the Emergencies Act?

00:35:57.380 Can you talk a bit about those, not the pocketbook issues, but more the heartfelt issues a bit?

00:36:04.700 Absolutely.

00:36:05.260 I think it's very important that in a democracy that we uphold those liberties.

00:36:11.300 And many Canadians and many immigrants came to this country because we were the beacon of hope, of democracy.

00:36:19.820 And when we have policies and practices that undermine that, it really erodes confidence.

00:36:27.180 I was very, very concerned during the convoy protest because I was just two blocks away from parliament,

00:36:34.940 and so I had to walk through that protest every day, and I was able to speak to people,

00:36:39.660 people who came all the way from B.C., and they just wanted to be heard.

00:36:44.740 And it's not as if they wanted to be there.

00:36:47.600 Some of them had reached out to their MPs.

00:36:49.860 They weren't getting answers.

00:36:51.560 Some of them, they did whatever they could, but they wanted answers as to why the government wasn't listening to them.

00:36:58.840 And they came all the way to parliament so that they could be heard by the government, and nobody wanted to listen.

00:37:04.600 And it was very, very sad to see that the approach that Justin Trudeau took, that he refused to meet with these individuals,

00:37:13.240 and then he labeled them racist, demonized them.

00:37:16.960 And it was very, very disconcerting to see that how fragile our democracy is and our rights.

00:37:24.120 And the evoking of the Emergencies Act was something that I also wasn't very pleased with because it suspended civil liberties.

00:37:31.320 And people were very, very concerned that if this could be done so easily, what could the government do?

00:37:37.840 Could they freeze our bank account for other issues that they disagree with us on?

00:37:42.820 Yeah, I'm really worried about that, actually.

00:37:44.540 It really accelerated cancel culture.

00:37:47.420 There, cancel culture is bad enough when it's some woke mob on Twitter, but when the prime minister and the finance minister and the justice minister are directing it,

00:37:57.320 and there's no court process, the banks are going along with it, I think that's really terrifying.

00:38:02.520 You know, I remember when you and I last met, it was actually on that very chilly day on Parliament Hill at the trucker protest.

00:38:09.540 It was quite something.

00:38:11.220 Not all conservative MPs or senators went down there.

00:38:15.360 I think if I had to guess why, some disagreed with them, but more, I think, were scared of getting offside with the mainstream media.

00:38:26.220 And I think that's, frankly, Aaron O'Toole, what happened to him, is I think maybe his instincts would have been sympathetic,

00:38:32.460 but he was just too afraid to defy.

00:38:35.620 I mean, the media was such a strong player in this drama, and they weren't just a neutral observer.

00:38:41.420 They were a team.

00:38:43.260 Let me ask you about that, because I think that should you become leader, obviously Justin Trudeau and the Liberal Party machine are going to be your nominal opponent,

00:38:53.600 but I think that in Canada, the toughest opponent for any conservative is the mainstream media.

00:39:01.080 I think they mock, first they ignore you, then they mock you, then they lie about you.

00:39:06.580 And I think in the case of Aaron O'Toole, and I'm not asking for you to defend him or to condemn him,

00:39:12.140 I'm just saying when I look at his tenure as leader, I think he was terrified of being devoured by the media,

00:39:18.640 so he sought to please them.

00:39:21.140 How will you handle a hostile media who hate the very thought of a black woman being a conservative?

00:39:29.460 I mean, I think they would hate you triple because of that.

00:39:34.620 Yeah, I've seen them really misstate positions that I've had in the past and try to make it seem like if I was anti-LGBTQ+,

00:39:44.860 which is really ridiculous because I worked in refugee law and defended people who were being persecuted because they were a member of the LGBTQ plus community.

00:40:00.860 And so I defended those people in court.

00:40:05.020 And so I could see the media has even taken something like that and not recognize it.

00:40:11.880 So I know that they're not my friends, but I'm not here to make friends with the media.

00:40:16.700 I'm here to serve the Canadian people.

00:40:20.200 And I understand the cost and I'm prepared to pay the cost of that.

00:40:25.120 And as you said, that day, that whole day that I interviewed with you in front of the convoy,

00:40:31.660 it was because I believed that these individuals came here and they needed to be heard.

00:40:37.620 These are people that were traumatized, that were locked down for two years, that may be losing their jobs,

00:40:44.080 may have had family members lose their jobs and they wanted to be heard.

00:40:48.940 And I am being paid by these individuals, some of them making $15, $20, $25 an hour.

00:40:55.640 And politicians are making hundreds of thousands of dollars an hour.

00:40:59.480 So I don't understand why a politician wouldn't want to hear from their constituents.

00:41:05.380 I think it's very, very important.

00:41:07.080 It's a part of our democracy.

00:41:08.800 And it's something that I felt that I had to do or else it would be meaningless.

00:41:14.440 My job as a politician to me.

00:41:17.060 Thank you for that.

00:41:18.380 I want to ask you a question because I remember when you were running for the leadership last time,

00:41:23.400 you really took the party by storm.

00:41:25.220 I think everyone was very excited, but there was that one knock against you that you were fairly green.

00:41:31.580 Now you've been in Parliament a couple of years.

00:41:34.300 You've gotten to know the system a bit.

00:41:36.700 You've been practicing, I guess, being a politician.

00:41:40.360 Tell me what you think you've learned since the last go-round.

00:41:43.960 How have you gotten stronger?

00:41:46.360 What are you better at now?

00:41:47.880 What did you maybe not know about two years ago that you think,

00:41:51.820 okay, now I understand it or now I'm working on that.

00:41:55.540 How are you different now than two years ago?

00:41:58.360 I don't know.

00:41:59.060 Well, there's some good and there's some bad in that because I think that one thing I've learned is that

00:42:03.600 when you're coming in, you just want to see change.

00:42:06.860 You want to see things move.

00:42:08.300 And you realize sometimes that the wheels of politics turn really slowly.

00:42:14.020 And so that was a little bit frustrating for me.

00:42:16.640 But you learn how to work within the system.

00:42:20.720 And that's something that I think that you can only get that experience by being within the system.

00:42:28.020 And so I'm glad that I do have that experience.

00:42:30.160 I'm glad that I have a seat now.

00:42:32.180 And I feel that the policies that I have now, they come from a place of authenticity.

00:42:38.780 And that hasn't changed.

00:42:40.200 And I think that that's what's important to the people.

00:42:42.340 That's what they want to see, that you're going to stand up for them, even if it costs you, even if it's not popular.

00:42:50.200 And they know that when you present a certain policy, you have the best interests of Canadians at heart.

00:42:57.120 You know, I'm a super fan and I'm not hiding it.

00:42:59.700 But I want to ask you a tough question because that's what we do here at Rebel News.

00:43:04.020 We don't hold back.

00:43:05.400 And I want to ask you, and I don't know if it's fair, but in Canada, there's a tradition that if you're running for prime minister, you do have to speak both languages.

00:43:14.960 And I know that really limits because most people grow up unilingual.

00:43:19.420 I mean, I certainly wouldn't pass that test.

00:43:22.180 What would you say to people who say, well, Leslie Lewis is great, but her French skills are not strong and a quarter of the country speaks French?

00:43:31.680 What would you say to that?

00:43:32.500 Yeah, I think it's very important that you speak French.

00:43:38.360 And so I'm making an effort to do that.

00:43:41.320 I continued with my French studies.

00:43:45.000 Unfortunately, during the election, I took a little bit of time off because I really wanted to focus on the new writing.

00:43:52.520 My writing had had a great MP, Diane Finley.

00:43:56.600 She'd been there for 17 years.

00:43:58.100 And so I felt a sense of vulnerability going in as a new person that they didn't know me.

00:44:03.720 So I did take a few months off my French lessons, not doing it the way that I should have.

00:44:09.760 But I'm very serious about it.

00:44:11.420 And the people of Quebec, they just want to see that you're trying and that you are committed to learning it.

00:44:18.320 And to be honest with you, though, I feel that if there were a French person who couldn't communicate in English and he was a great or she was a great candidate, I think that things are evolving to the point where people would accept that.

00:44:33.520 For the first time, we have a governor general who does not speak French.

00:44:38.620 And I'm sure she's making efforts to speak French and she has some unique qualities that she brings to the job. 0.80

00:44:45.600 And so I think people would recognize those in me also and also recognize that I'm a person who values education.

00:44:51.200 So I'm going to make the best effort to continue to learn French.

00:44:54.960 I want to ask you a question on behalf of Canadians who have not been vaccinated for whatever reason, perhaps it was a religious reason, perhaps it was a medical decision they made, perhaps they they're hesitant and they've just weighed the odds and the risks for whatever reason.

00:45:11.980 They made that choice in most places, vaccine mandates are coming down, although some governments still require them to work there.

00:45:22.260 But in Canada, you still can't get on an airplane or a train or a ferry if you're unvaxxed.

00:45:29.920 It's almost like there's a no fly list for for millions of Canadians.

00:45:34.260 And of course, there's the possibility that other lockdown restrictions can be brought back in.

00:45:38.820 They've been brought back in before.

00:45:40.000 What would you say to Canadians who are glad that things seem to be loosening up, but we're still not out of it yet?

00:45:49.640 Do you have a message to Canadians who are unvaxxed or what you might do for them?

00:45:54.680 Well, I think we have to look at what's happening around the world and around the world.

00:45:58.740 We're seeing that the mandates are being removed.

00:46:02.380 And throughout this pandemic, we've heard over and over, trust the science, trust the medical officers of health and the medical officers of health across the country are saying that it's time to remove the mandates.

00:46:14.760 And they've done so in most of the provinces.

00:46:17.620 So I think it's time that the federal government does put a plan on the table that will end the mandate.

00:46:25.320 Right now, it's just a means of discriminating against those who are not vaccinated because we know that we have other means of accommodation.

00:46:34.240 We can test the unvaccinated to have an increased level of security. 1.00

00:46:41.580 And so the prohibition for them not being able to get on a plane or a train, etc.

00:46:50.120 I think that it's just it's outdated.

00:46:54.560 I don't think it's necessary.

00:46:56.220 And I think that the government needs to follow the science and look at what other jurisdictions are doing and look at what the provinces are doing and get up to speed and end those mandates.

00:47:08.800 Do you think people who were fired over the last year because they didn't get jabbed and now the mandates have been removed, do you think they should be, especially in the public sector, do you think they should be invited back to work?

00:47:21.860 Oh, yes, absolutely.

00:47:22.880 I never believe that people should have been fired because they are unvaccinated for a medical choice.

00:47:29.420 We've always had medical freedoms in this country, and especially when the science came out that whether you're vaccinated or unvaccinated, you could still spread and contract COVID.

00:47:44.740 I think that at that point in time, the policy should have reflected that.

00:47:50.580 And it's very important for us to look at personal responsibility.

00:47:55.620 I think every individual should take responsibility for themselves to do whatever they can to protect themselves, protect their family and minimize the strain on our health care system.

00:48:07.380 But I also believe in informed consent and I believe in medical privacy.

00:48:12.360 And I also believe that people need to make these decisions in accordance with their doctor and they need informed consent to make their decisions.

00:48:20.700 And I don't believe that people should have been fired for a medical choice.

00:48:24.260 What's a website that people can learn more about you?

00:48:28.260 And if they want to sign up to be a part of this, where can they get more info?

00:48:33.440 Leslynlewis.ca.

00:48:35.540 And all the info that you'll need is there, how to take out a membership, because you have to be a member to vote.

00:48:41.720 And everything that you'll need to be a member and also to donate is on the site.

00:48:47.940 So look forward to seeing you all.

00:48:50.580 I will be doing tours and small group meetings, and I hope to meet some of you in person.

00:48:57.540 Well, that's great.

00:48:58.340 I really appreciate you stopping by.

00:49:00.080 It was a pleasure to have you in the last campaign.

00:49:02.200 I remember that we were one of your very first stops, and it was great to meet you that day.

00:49:07.320 And we've been following your career ever since.

00:49:10.480 And I'm delighted that you're in the race.

00:49:12.640 Leslynlewis.ca is the website.

00:49:14.560 Great to see you and good luck out there.

00:49:16.520 Okay.

00:49:16.940 Thank you, Ezra.

00:49:17.580 Nice seeing you again.

00:49:18.500 All right.

00:49:18.920 You too.

00:49:19.280 There you have it.

00:49:19.820 Leslynlewis, candidate for the Conservative Party of Canada.

00:49:23.360 Stay with us.

00:49:24.180 More ahead.

00:49:36.700 Hey, welcome back to your viewer feedback.

00:49:38.200 Cologne 42 says, I had almost completely written off the rule of law, but a handful of recent

00:49:44.080 rulings gives me a sliver of hope that reason might return to Canadian courtrooms.

00:49:50.100 Yeah, well, I was glad to see that ruling by Justice Hina had.

00:49:53.080 Of course, we knew that we had won during the election, but it was nice to see it in writing.

00:49:57.640 We're not done in the courts because I think Trudeau is not done trying to bring in a new

00:50:02.940 authoritarianism.

00:50:03.820 He really meant it when he says he admires Castro and China.

00:50:07.440 He really does.

00:50:08.620 Like, he says these things, and people must think, oh, he's kidding or he's exaggerating.

00:50:14.480 No, he really means him.

00:50:16.540 I sure hope that the courts will rule for freedom, but I wouldn't bet on it.

00:50:21.620 Dan in Burnaby says, so you won the case.

00:50:26.720 Now what?

00:50:27.720 Will you be allowed to ask little Justin questions or will he just ignore you as usual?

00:50:32.240 I expect it'll be the latter.

00:50:34.100 Well, I mean, you saw what happened literally hours after that court case when Alexa LaVoie

00:50:38.340 and Tamara Eucolini and the rest of our team was allowed to put questions to him.

00:50:42.640 He simply refused.

00:50:43.840 He literally refused.

00:50:45.120 And the Parliamentary Press Gallery will not let our reporters come near Trudeau.

00:50:51.500 Literally, our rivals and our competitors are banning us from coming into any press gallery

00:50:58.380 press conference.

00:50:59.680 So it's too bad because I think someone ought to ask Trudeau some tough questions.

00:51:03.860 It happens so rarely without us.

00:51:05.720 Andrew Merlach says it's real funny seeing how angry he gets when confronted by people

00:51:12.860 who have views he finds, quote, unacceptable or anyone not on the Liberals' payroll.

00:51:18.100 And how funny is it that 97.7% of the Canadians don't watch the idea of credible media?

00:51:24.200 Oh, the irony must burn.

00:51:27.380 Yeah, I mean, a lot of chutzpah there when Trudeau was over in Europe criticizing Putin

00:51:32.560 for being an authoritarian and cracking down on the media.

00:51:36.200 Did he forget what he just did in Canada, including seizing private bank accounts and

00:51:41.440 declaring a national emergency because there was some peaceful trucker protests?

00:51:45.720 Unbelievable.

00:51:47.620 Well, that's our show for today.

00:51:48.720 I wonder what you think about my dear diary entry.

00:51:51.460 That was personal reflections as much as anything.

00:51:54.460 But I just find it odd that someone, Christopher Freeland, Justin Trudeau, who calls everyone

00:52:02.360 they don't like a Nazi, are actually supporting the last Nazis in the world.

00:52:07.040 And I want to make it clear.

00:52:07.920 I'm not saying that Ukrainians are Nazis or the Germans are Nazis.

00:52:11.280 They're not.

00:52:12.080 But there are these paramilitaries.

00:52:14.760 They're the last real Nazis in the world.

00:52:17.700 And Freeland is supporting them and arming them and training them.

00:52:22.680 What's with that?

00:52:23.220 That's it for today.

00:52:25.840 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, good night.

00:52:29.060 Keep fighting for freedom.

00:52:29.900 And let me leave you with this video of the day from Alex Alavoie, who met some Communist 0.52

00:52:34.900 Party supporters who crashed a pro-convoy rally in Ottawa.

00:52:38.940 And it was an interesting exchange.

00:52:40.700 I'll let you see.

00:52:41.320 All right, everybody.

00:52:41.980 Good night.

00:52:42.240 The thing you want is possible.

00:52:44.500 When I say we are unstoppable, you say a better world is possible.

00:52:48.540 So, hey, Alex Alavoie, news.

00:52:49.940 I'm in the city hall where counter-protests just happened.

00:52:54.880 We are still the Saturday, 5th of March.

00:52:58.580 And it's two weeks after the convoy left.

00:53:01.360 But they are protesting against the convoy, saying that they are full of white supremacists, 0.94

00:53:06.640 racists, misogynists, and other names that I will not tell now.

00:53:12.340 But I'm coming here to see their point of view, what they have to say to me.

00:53:18.160 And look at, oh, we have been treated so far.

00:53:22.760 Let's check it out.

00:53:23.400 I'm wondering, what is the protest about today?

00:53:34.360 This is a reaction to the occupation of Ottawa a couple of weeks ago by the truckers.

00:53:40.540 And this is to show solidarity with the community and emphasize love and not hate.

00:53:47.580 And what is the damage that the convoy have caused in your life?

00:53:53.260 Well, I live downtown, so I heard a lot of noise.

00:53:56.440 I got fumes from diesel.

00:54:01.020 I had people yelling at me from trucks as I drove by.

00:54:04.280 It was really nasty.

00:54:05.580 I felt like I was under siege.

00:54:08.400 Nothing like what's going on in Ukraine right now, but I did feel under siege.

00:54:11.500 Learning to live with COVID is coded language that means it's okay if disabled people die.

00:54:19.300 No, it's a statement.

00:54:20.400 How many science degrees do you have?

00:54:21.880 I have a degree in biology.

00:54:24.280 In biology?

00:54:25.120 Okay.

00:54:25.620 So you don't understand that 20% of the population...

00:54:28.500 I didn't say I don't understand.

00:54:29.420 I'll ask you a question.

00:54:30.540 Well, okay, I'm done.

00:54:31.820 I'm listening to this.

00:54:33.200 Thank you.

00:54:35.040 No, no, no.

00:54:35.860 I'm just asking.

00:54:36.640 I just try to understand what's going on.

00:54:39.420 Well, this is the people who had to survive the occupation by the far-right convoy of difficult people.

00:54:49.000 Many of them were traumatized, especially the people living downtown.

00:54:53.420 That maybe seeing the Canadian flag doesn't make you nervous again,

00:54:56.180 because we had three weeks of the Canadian flag in trucks,

00:54:59.660 meaning there's bullies coming.

00:55:01.620 Watch out.

00:55:02.200 And people felt very frightened of that.

00:55:04.260 You call the convoy the left-extreme, the left-wing, white?

00:55:12.020 Yep.

00:55:12.780 Why?

00:55:14.160 Well, let's see.

00:55:15.460 I realize that not all of them were Nazis, because, you know, only several of them had Nazi flags.

00:55:24.180 I realize not all of them were white nationalists, because only several of them had white nationalist flags.

00:55:30.240 Um, yes, this was a very ultra-right conservative protest of, yes, anti-vaxxers who had their rights to, you know, to protest.

00:55:41.440 And we lived in a city where people took over downtown to tell us, 0.91

00:55:45.120 no, you're a weak person. 0.88

00:55:47.180 Take off that mask. 1.00

00:55:48.240 It's an oppressive Illuminati conspiracy theory nonsense. 1.00

00:55:52.320 Yeah, well, f*** them. 1.00

00:55:53.380 They have enemies for life now. 1.00

00:55:54.880 Every one of them.

00:55:55.640 If they ever come back and brag that they were part of this convoy, they have enemies for life.

00:56:01.300 Do you, um, do you think that some of the people just right here are Nazi and white supremacists as well?

00:56:09.020 No, I don't think so.

00:56:10.940 But maybe you could find some, you know.

00:56:12.920 So, what organization are you guys with?

00:56:14.720 They're with Nazis of Canada. 0.90

00:56:16.560 Nazis of Canada from the French sector.

00:56:18.640 So, I'm a Nazi now.

00:56:20.340 No, I was just having a joke.

00:56:21.500 Is it a judgment?

00:56:23.360 I don't know.

00:56:23.960 I don't know.

00:56:25.260 You came here to the judgments.

00:56:26.460 You had the judgments when you came here.

00:56:28.100 No, I just asked what is going on here.

00:56:30.260 Can I ask what organization you guys are with?

00:56:32.460 So, the police basically stood by and let them do whatever they wanted to do.

00:56:37.160 Even though the police chief was saying they were taking measures, like not letting them refuel,

00:56:42.340 we would then see journalists down here.

00:56:45.060 And there were lines of people bringing in jerry cans full of fuel to refuel.

00:56:48.520 Is it because it was not a crime to do it?

00:56:51.780 It was just supplying.

00:56:52.880 No, it was a crime.

00:56:54.220 They made it a crime to do it, but then they weren't enforcing it.

00:56:57.480 So, there's different definitions of peace, right?

00:57:00.320 So, I don't think that anyone thinks it's peaceful to set off fireworks next to somebody's home at midnight every night for a week.

00:57:08.000 But people are dying because we're not wearing masks.

00:57:10.800 It was really disturbing.

00:57:12.320 I live in downtown.

00:57:12.940 I saw people coming in the streets really aggressively, driving backwards, going over the sidewalk.

00:57:19.840 So, yeah, I think it was terrible.

00:57:21.340 I don't agree with what they did.

00:57:22.600 Well, there were also some signs, like the American flag, the yellow flag, which is a really racist flag.

00:57:33.080 And it was mostly racist people.

00:57:35.080 Yeah, I don't have an issue saying that.

00:57:36.780 There was people who obviously have the right to be angry.

00:57:39.920 I'm angry with their mandates, too.

00:57:41.540 I don't like them.

00:57:42.120 But I think they were racist.

00:57:43.440 Honey?

00:57:44.320 Yeah.

00:57:44.740 Te quiero mucho, pero ya necesitamos.

00:57:46.460 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:47.640 What media are you?

00:57:50.080 Have you joined them for maybe a day to join them and talk to them?

00:57:56.300 I work there.

00:57:57.400 I live down there.

00:57:58.160 I have the girls, and it was impossible for me to go.

00:58:00.260 I think what the issue is is that your line of questioning is a little bit aggressive.

00:58:04.500 And so, that's what he's trying to say is maybe you need to reframe it.

00:58:08.940 He's already told you that he saw aggression in the streets and felt it himself.

00:58:13.180 And so, that's when you stop, and you stop pressing as a journalist, if you are, in fact, a journalist.

00:58:18.140 I was just wondering.

00:58:22.080 You're harassing people.

00:58:23.480 I'm not harassing people.

00:58:24.180 Yeah, you are.

00:58:24.900 I've been watching you.

00:58:26.060 You're harassing people.

00:58:26.900 I'm asking people.

00:58:27.320 Okay.

00:58:27.780 I've asked you to leave.

00:58:29.440 Please leave.

00:58:31.820 I'm in a public space.

00:58:33.340 At the moment, I'm free, and I can't stand here.

00:58:35.780 You're harassing people.

00:58:36.880 I'm not harassing.

00:58:37.820 I'm asking questions.

00:58:38.800 I've seen you following people around.

00:58:40.340 Go.

00:58:40.700 Yeah, because I'm asking questions.

00:58:41.780 You've been asked to leave.

00:58:42.340 I'm asking you to leave.

00:58:43.880 But what is your authority on me for asking me to leave to a public space?

00:58:47.560 Oh, my God.

00:58:48.560 I think all of us are feeling pretty uncomfortable, so it would be great if you'd leave.

00:58:51.720 I'm just asking questions, asking, like, why?

00:58:53.900 Yeah, and you've asked a bunch.

00:58:55.080 I don't want to be on this.

00:58:56.580 You've asked a bunch of questions.

00:58:57.800 I think it's time to go.

00:58:58.920 Yeah, but I'm just asking, like, what is going on here?

00:59:01.740 Maybe just take a break and let everybody cool off.

00:59:03.660 People are feeling a bit harassed, so maybe just take a break.

00:59:07.120 I'm just asking a question.

00:59:09.000 I've never been feeling harassed nowhere else than here.

00:59:12.560 But people are telling you how they feel about it, right?

00:59:15.120 And so just please hear them.

00:59:16.580 Please hear them.

00:59:17.040 They are here for making their voice heard.

00:59:21.060 Let's take a break.

00:59:21.980 Let's take a break.

00:59:22.960 Okay.

00:59:28.460 What is all this QR code, man?

00:59:34.440 What do you mean?

00:59:35.300 What is all this QR code?

00:59:36.760 Oh, it's a QR code so people can get information.

00:59:38.300 They're like QR code.

00:59:44.560 She's not following me.

00:59:45.900 I'm French.

00:59:50.880 I'm not fake.

00:59:52.140 I'm not talking to you.

00:59:53.020 Sorry, I'm not talking to you.

00:59:53.820 But you know, fake.

00:59:54.680 I'm not allowed to talk to you.

00:59:55.760 Sorry.

00:59:56.020 If you ask not to speak to him, please stop harassing him.

00:59:58.480 I'm not harassing him.

00:59:59.360 I'm asking questions.

01:00:00.360 People have said that they're not going to speak to you.

01:00:02.600 Please go away.

01:00:03.400 So just live, the people in the front just make aware of everybody that they had bad people

01:00:11.800 in the back, not on their side, and we should be aware of them and be careful.

01:00:20.180 So they are actually doxing us in the front, telling like we are here and we are bad people.

01:00:28.360 What's going on?

01:00:29.000 I don't know what they want to hide from us, but we have nothing to hide from them.

01:00:36.900 Like now I'm surrounded.

01:00:39.780 So first time I need to have like as much security for one camera and one microphone.

01:00:49.500 So I cannot, you cannot sue me for anything because you're following me.

01:00:59.000 So counterproducts.

01:01:09.900 I didn't touch you.

01:01:14.000 I have my camera so I can prove that I didn't touch you.

01:01:17.000 You touched me.

01:01:17.960 I can't believe it.

01:01:18.960 I don't know.

01:01:19.960 So the solution being drawn up.

01:01:20.960 That's what I mean just to make it.

01:01:21.960 That's the answer.

01:01:22.960 So to talk about this, we're going to bring up our next speaker.

01:01:27.000 And folks, it is my great pleasure to introduce this speaker.

01:01:30.160 You're following me now.

01:01:31.140 A leader and a brother that I greatly admire.

01:01:32.740 So I cannot, you cannot, you cannot, shoulder to shoulder next to, sue me for anything.

01:01:36.960 with this is you following me this woman walked to hello how are you anti-racism and peace movements

01:01:57.440 you want to answer my question today raise your voices

01:02:00.320 okay but he's like he wants to film me but he don't want me to ask him question so

01:02:08.880 it's getting a little bit tense here um we try just to see the other side of the story so

01:02:15.920 we saw so many uh flags today we saw the communist party of canada we saw defund the police we saw um

01:02:23.920 so many like board writing like we are against nazi or other so what is going on here i've didn't

01:02:35.920 i've did take one minute to go and see the people at the parliament or they are just based what they

01:02:43.440 are saying by the legacy media telling them what they saw so far or they were able to see by themselves

01:02:52.400 what happened during the convoy i would never know because they don't want to answer to my question

01:02:58.240 and it became clear and it became clear that the oligarchs around the world

01:03:03.680 mainly headed by communist party of canada yeah i'm good so what is what is the communist party of canada

01:03:13.440 they are not in good faith yeah they are pro-convoy and just trying to dox your

01:03:18.480 from no all you can say that i'm pro-con boy they start talking to you for 15 minutes

01:03:23.920 we're not going to uh we're not going to entertain i'm sorry no i was just wondering why you have a

01:03:28.160 flag of our communist party of canada well their support uh they've been uh you know very supportive

01:03:33.600 so what can we do in support of the community so that's all i don't know if you can see the

01:03:45.760 they actually block me not not only the security but now the people and we can feel like the tension

01:03:53.120 here um i'm just asking simple questions to understand the other side and um most of them

01:03:59.280 they don't want to answer to me so and now aggressivity is rising but i do do not do anything

01:04:08.640 most of the time i'm just laughing because make no sense to be angry over someone who tried to

01:04:15.600 understand what is going on

01:04:34.160 just helping my i'm just recording my

01:04:37.920 what is going on they say that we are harassing people but they are harassing us following us

01:04:52.480 blocking us putting some stuff in our face and almost like grabbing our our stuff and as well

01:04:59.920 what they were saying it's like oh if you touch me i'm gonna sue you um i'm sorry you touch me and 0.74

01:05:05.840 you came towards me and you're following me so who is harassing who here

01:05:18.000 they keep saying that the convoy was violent they were harassing people and

01:05:25.440 and as well they were nazi and white supremacists but so far since i'm here

01:05:32.000 not only i got harassed but i get almost some violence against me they almost pushed me

01:05:40.400 they blocked the camera they were giving me some name against me

01:05:47.200 what is going on and it's only a protest that it's been what an hour and this convoy was there for three

01:05:55.360 weeks and i was there on the ground since the 28th and never see any violence there it was peaceful

01:06:07.520 and for freedom but where is the peaceful protest here when a journalist just tried to ask some simple

01:06:14.080 question so i'm in the parliament hill and we have two counter protesters not behind me and they put on

01:06:23.200 terry fox board writing go home traitor so at the end to that is not the same that putting a freedom

01:06:34.320 mandate board as well there i don't know like board that against the people there instead of i don't

01:06:42.560 know i'm just wondering what part of this is inaccurate information because let me the traitor on

01:06:50.080 it i just don't understand go home traitor they're asking for our democratically elected government to

01:06:57.440 dissolve so they can what implement their own hand-picked one i i would call that traitors to

01:07:03.200 democracy i would pretty well call that being traitorous that's your point of view but um as

01:07:09.520 well why you say that terry fox bro that's not that's not a point of view that's literally what's

01:07:15.200 happening i just try to understand all your board that's it no i'm just curious i'm just so curious here

01:07:22.640 what exactly is it you're trying to get from me so why am i getting attacked for something that is

01:07:28.640 quite like you no but plenty of people here have the harassment of me which by the way what are you

01:07:35.680 doing no no no no no i don't justify it it's not okay but it's not okay to yell because i have to

01:07:44.080 shout over all this mother i can't even hear myself i can't even hear myself do you do you hurt me

01:07:52.720 do i'm yelling do i'm yelling this was not okay so many stuff is not okay but that is the polarized

01:08:00.800 uh population i'm sorry for that i didn't create it and i'm just there for understanding both side of

01:08:10.880 the story and i'm not for that i'm not against that leave me the alone

01:08:23.600 leave me the alone did you hear me that time thank you move on move on to someone else 0.98

01:08:29.360 if i'm so aggressive then go puss to someone else i don't want it bro 0.99

Rebel News Podcast - March 11, 2022

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Why is Canada supporting a Nazi battalion in Ukraine？

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