Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Would environmentalists reject their grants if they knew it was Russian money？

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00:03:32.960 You know, the left in North America cannot shut up about Russian meddling. In fact,

00:03:39.020 they spent four years accusing President Donald Trump of being a foreign agent apropos of, well,

00:03:44.380 no evidence whatsoever. But what if they, the green left, were the real foreign agents of Russian

00:03:49.660 oligarchs? Do you think they would even care? Do you think that they would pick up their check 1.00

00:03:55.720 from the environmentalist charity clearinghouse to go on a demarketing campaign to block Canadian

00:04:01.040 pipelines if they knew the name on that check was Vladimir Putin? Or do the ends justify the means?

00:04:08.420 Would they be perfectly happy to do business with people they see as human rights abusers as long

00:04:13.460 as they achieve their end goals of decarbonization in the Western world? Frankly, when I see how little

00:04:19.920 the environmentalist left cares about inflation, the cost of gas and heat or eat poverty for the

00:04:25.560 average North American family, I think it's the latter. I don't think they would care that 0.98

00:04:30.660 they are the useful idiots in the cog of dictators hell-bent on world domination. We really need to 1.00

00:04:38.760 look no further than how the environmentalist left treats China's carbon emissions versus the emissions

00:04:44.780 in the Western world. So I guess why would Vladimir Putin be any different? Now the reason I bring this

00:04:49.640 up is because it's becoming increasingly common knowledge that Russia and or Russian oligarchs have

00:04:55.580 been funding environmentalist charities in the United States, which then greenwash the money to smaller

00:05:01.820 organizations to block North American pipelines and North American natural gas development. This secured

00:05:08.360 Gazprom, the Russian natural gas company's stranglehold on Western Europe and Germany in particular. 0.99

00:05:15.740 I really don't think that the environmentalist left cares that they were, in fact, textbook useful idiots here. 0.99

00:05:23.040 I mean, who needs oil? They ride the bus. So to discuss how dark green money leads back to Russia and the 1.00

00:05:29.440 looming carbon tax hike that is set to send your utility, electricity and gas bills through the roof

00:05:35.560 and so much more is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science in an interview we recorded yesterday morning.

00:05:53.040 So joining me now from her climate cabin is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science and there are a lot of

00:06:01.980 things to talk about, including the liberals suddenly waking up to the potential of foreign funding meddling in

00:06:07.880 Canadian politics. They just seem to have got the culprits all wrong once again. But before we get to that, let's talk

00:06:14.720 about I think the thing that's on the top of everybody's mind that it truly affects all of us.

00:06:19.680 That's the cost of living and inflation. And yet, yet the liberals are hiking the carbon tax up to $40 a ton here in

00:06:29.560 just three weeks from now. And it seems to me there's really only one politician doing something quite tangible

00:06:35.520 about that here in Alberta. And I'm frequently a critic of Jason Kenney, but he has decided to stop the

00:06:42.420 provincial portion, at least of some of the taxes collected on the price per liter. Because it's really

00:06:50.800 the one thing that live or that governments can do is they're taxing us, they're responsible for the tax,

00:06:56.320 they can't change the market. But they can take change the portion that they're taking. And yet we hear all the

00:07:02.860 time liberals talking about, you know, the the cost of fuel and how it's so outrageous. And Rachel

00:07:08.720 Notley in Alberta talking about the cost of fuel and how the government has to do something. She brought

00:07:13.600 in a carbon tax. It's crazy. Yeah, yeah, she brought in a carbon tax. And also she brought in the 0.96

00:07:20.400 renewables policy, which is driving up costs astronomically across Alberta. And we warned people

00:07:26.100 about that back in 2015. But, you know, nobody wanted to listen, they wanted to call us deniers.

00:07:32.860 Or whatever. And there you have it. I think one thing that's very important is that I just found

00:07:40.000 out the other day, from this paper out of Switzerland and Canada is that Canada and Switzerland are the

00:07:48.140 only two countries in the world that have this carbon tax and dividend or rebate program. And this

00:07:55.120 particular study looked at how the stupid peons don't realize that they're getting so much money 1.00

00:08:03.360 back and they don't appreciate it. I mean, really, it's tax them and bribe them with your own money. 1.00

00:08:08.960 But, you know, what happened in Switzerland is that they actually voted against an increase in the

00:08:15.100 carbon tax, and they only get a discount on their health care costs. And in Canada, I asked Robert

00:08:21.380 Lyman about this paper, and he said, really, there's so many layers of GHG reduction taxes,

00:08:28.580 incentives, subsidies, etc. You know, the carbon tax makes up only a tiny portion of this huge burden

00:08:36.900 of green debt that we're carting around on our backs that does nothing for the climate and nothing

00:08:42.700 for the environment in most cases. Yeah. And you have a really great video, actually,

00:08:48.860 on the Friends of Science YouTube page, which is phenomenal. You guys take these big, huge issues

00:08:53.140 and break them down into tiny bits that normal people can digest in language normal people understand,

00:08:58.840 because I think some of the things that the environmentalists do is they try to sound a lot

00:09:02.200 smarter than they are, and they sort of obfuscate the real issues with big words and jargon.

00:09:07.060 But the fact that the media refuses to make the connection between green energy policies and carbon

00:09:16.660 taxes with the cost of living, they refuse to acknowledge that the carbon tax is built in

00:09:23.400 along the entire supply chain and compounded over and over again, so that when you get your jug of

00:09:30.300 milk in the grocery store, and you say this is 25% more expensive than it was just a few short months ago,

00:09:36.700 the media never acknowledges that in any of their reporting.

00:09:40.460 Yeah, we've got a short video on that, which I call a carbon taxophobia, you know, because the

00:09:45.900 media is suffering from this phobia of they can't mention the carbon tax for some reason. And, you

00:09:51.980 know, people are always told, well, it's just, you know, a few pennies per liter at the pump. But,

00:09:57.340 you know, that few pennies per liter is at the pump. It's also at the farmer's farm where he or she has to,

00:10:08.380 you know, plant and harvest all this equipment, all this food for us has to ship it, it has to be

00:10:15.860 processed, it has to be packaged all the way along the line, these carbon taxes are cumulative. And

00:10:22.220 that's really what ends up really crushing you. And when you get a carbon tax rebate, you don't get the

00:10:28.280 full of rebate, and not everybody gets it. And by that time, you've already spent more than whatever

00:10:34.520 your rebate is, you never catch up with it. So it's absurd. And speaking of foreign interference, 0.73

00:10:40.380 James Hansen, the US climate scientist, some months back, was pushing Canadians to sign a petition

00:10:47.580 for $210 carbon tax, which he proposed would then be rebated to everyone at the first of the month on

00:10:54.760 their debit card, which sounds to me a lot like UBI. And I'm wondering why this foreign interference

00:11:01.180 from James Hansen, his specialty is supposed to be climate, not carbon taxes.

00:11:06.980 It sounds more like a pyramid scheme. It's like, you know, you get those scammer emails saying,

00:11:13.900 oh, just send me this money. And I'll send you back $50,000 as soon as the, you know, Nigerian 1.00

00:11:20.920 government unfreezes my bank account. That's outrageous. Yeah. Now, you also did a very horrific

00:11:30.060 reading of the state of financial affairs of the Canadian economy. And, you know, just the sheer

00:11:38.660 impact the COVID lockdown. And I think government's reactions had on the Canadian economy. And yet,

00:11:45.760 the solution seems so simple. We have, as you point out, over, I think it's trillions of dollars

00:11:53.240 in wealth locked in Alberta. But $21 trillion US.

00:11:57.680 $21 trillion US. So that's, you know, $30 trillion in Canadian pesos. And yet, the federal government

00:12:06.120 doesn't even consider that when looking at the fiscal catastrophe that they're facing. Because

00:12:11.880 I don't think they think it's a fiscal catastrophe. I think they think it's an opportunity, as they say.

00:12:16.880 Well, I think they're into the modern monetary theory, which I don't know a lot about. But I think

00:12:21.800 the fundamental principle of it is just print more money, because then and we'll call it fair. But

00:12:27.900 yeah, going back to that monumental debt, I just pulled it up here. I'll just read a couple of

00:12:31.860 things here. The federal government budget, budgetary deficit rose from 5.6 billion in 2018 to 2019,

00:12:41.360 to 312.4 billion in 2020 to 2021, which is an increase of 5,479%.

00:12:52.600 Yeah, you know, the end in this, in this video, we also give people some examples of how much money

00:13:02.600 that is in in terms, say, if we use units of time, like seconds. So you know, we're ending up with

00:13:09.380 thousands of years of seconds of debt, you know, to try and make it more tangible for people. So

00:13:16.740 have a look at the video, have a look at the blog post as well, Robert Lyman put it together.

00:13:22.500 Yeah, it's really quite frightening when you see just how the debt just exploded. And there are three

00:13:28.720 options here, cut spending, raise taxes, unlock Alberta's wealth. And I think the option the liberals

00:13:38.340 will go with is raise taxes. I mean, they are. Yeah, and it's absurd, because people don't have

00:13:45.540 that extra money to pay, you need, you need that export revenue coming in from sales abroad. And,

00:13:51.740 you know, even just getting one or two of the former pipelines going would really stimulate the

00:14:01.040 economy. I think it was Don Thompson, who was the former CEO of the oil sands

00:14:06.400 developers group, who said that during the 2008 recession, there was something like $30 billion

00:14:14.880 rolling through the economy from the oil sands, and about half a million jobs. So, you know, we should

00:14:22.640 learn from that and use that because we have the resources and there's huge demand for it. We've got two

00:14:28.660 or three reports on our website that Robert Lyman did showing that the forecast for oil and gas

00:14:35.080 worldwide is up, up, up there. And we see that now also when we see the prices are skyrocketing,

00:14:42.860 partly because of lack of supply, partly because of people like Mark Carney, who said that companies

00:14:50.400 will have to justify their business and they'll go bankrupt if they don't, you know, deal with climate

00:14:55.660 crisis in their development. So a lot of investors pulled out of oil and gas companies because of

00:15:01.020 that. A lot of insurance companies because of the NGO advocacy and because of Carney's comments

00:15:06.680 have also pulled out of financing or supporting insuring oil and gas development. So what that's done

00:15:15.220 is it's parked these projects that take 20 to 30 years to develop to fruition and investor money has

00:15:22.640 pulled out. Now it's going to take at least a decade if there is a government that investors

00:15:29.300 deem to be stable to get that money flowing back in and get things rolling again. You know, but we're

00:15:36.920 short, like, I think in two years, we lost a hundred billion dollars in investment in Canada because of

00:15:43.100 these crazy climate policies and carbon taxes. So, and a lot of it comes from foreign pressure. This is

00:15:50.800 something you've been talking about for at least a decade, foreign pressure, this demarketing campaign

00:15:56.080 that's coming out of San Francisco, and we'll get to the funding related to that in a second. But

00:16:02.440 it's interesting to see with recent events, the liberals all of a sudden becoming concerned about

00:16:10.840 foreign funded activism here in Canada, because some Americans might've donated to the truckers convoy.

00:16:18.780 But this has been, this has been a billions and billions of dollars right out of the center of

00:16:25.780 the Canadian economy based on a foreign funded demarketing campaign. And the liberals are worried

00:16:31.940 about somebody who gave $20 to a trucker. Yeah, actually we have on our website, the Deloitte report.

00:16:38.880 Yeah. And Robert Lyman did a summary of it and he, it's called, has no one read the Deloitte report?

00:16:47.800 He did this before the convoy, but I'll just read this one little thing here. 31 ENGOs, that's

00:16:55.120 environmental groups, accumulated over 2.5 billion in assets, received 897.5 million in foreign funding,

00:17:05.240 and received 2.1 billion government funding. So your own tax dollars are funding these people

00:17:13.660 to shut down your jobs. Like that's insane. That's got to stop. But I mean, 897.5 million

00:17:23.880 in foreign funding is certainly not, you know, some happy American sending a hundred bucks to the

00:17:31.880 truckers. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just the numbers in this report from Robert Lyman, they are staggering.

00:17:41.160 Just the enormity. There's no possible way that the best funded marketing campaign coming out of the

00:17:49.100 oil sands sector coming out of oil and gas could have even remotely competed with this. And it is on

00:17:55.140 all fronts. It's not just on environmental activism. It's on environmental lawfare. It's on lobbying

00:18:01.660 governments to change policies. It's on crazy things like tree planting and pushing the carbon credits

00:18:09.500 exchange program. It's, it was just a multifaceted attack. Like you say, insurance, uh, attacking the

00:18:18.980 funding, going after the banks, spamming the banks with these campaigns of funding, um, indigenous 0.57

00:18:26.300 opposition to pipelines, which is completely different from the indigenous, uh, promotion of pipelines,

00:18:33.580 like what we see in Northern BC, where it, you know, it's, it's something with the coastal gas

00:18:39.340 link. It's actually something that the local indigenous bands want, um, but you have outside

00:18:43.940 activists coming in to block it and sort of astroturfing themselves. The amount of money,

00:18:48.980 uh, like even just, I'll just quote this environmental law organizations as a separate group

00:18:55.340 accumulated almost 11 million in assets, had foreign funding of $21.5 billion and received

00:19:02.120 $7.8 million in government funding. And this was to launch lawfare attacks at Canadian oil and gas

00:19:11.180 development. And against the federal government. So, you know, the federal government is funding

00:19:17.080 these groups. Then these groups are suing the federal government. Your tax dollars are paying for

00:19:22.800 the lawyers defending the federal government. And then usually if they lose, they go back and appeal,

00:19:29.180 you know, because they have nothing to lose. So, you know, and they can appeal on every single kind

00:19:34.740 of ground. Same with, uh, you know, these, um, child lawsuits that are coming up. Yeah. You know,

00:19:41.120 and again, they're funded, uh, by, uh, or they're, they're advanced by people who are already activists

00:19:47.240 who really are just using their children as human shields, you know, which, uh, is frowned upon in every

00:19:53.880 other regard. I mean, actually with the convoy, people were saying who brought their kids to

00:19:58.000 parliament Hill? Well, you know, it is a public space. Parents. Parents did actually. And, and, uh,

00:20:05.640 you know, and they got to jump in a bouncy castle, but, um, you know, the, these, uh, children who are

00:20:13.000 being used as human shields to fight oil and gas projects, no one says a word about that. Or for

00:20:19.360 instance, when, uh, tech resources, uh, was about to, I think it was approved. And then the company

00:20:27.120 had to make a decision as to whether or not they'd go ahead that very weekend, CBC, uh, promoted, um,

00:20:35.380 a hunger strike that 10 year old kids were going to go on if tech resources went ahead. Now, you know,

00:20:41.580 if I was a CEO at some oil and gas company, I'd go, okay, let's just move to the Bahamas or wherever,

00:20:50.600 like, you know, if the CBC is going to promote hunger strikes for, for little kids and no one's

00:20:58.020 going to speak up about it and say, this is bad and wrong. And sorry, kids, you got to go back to

00:21:02.820 class. Um, you know, that's disgusting use of exploitation of children. Well, and we need to look 0.85

00:21:12.100 no further than little Greta Thunberg to see how children are manipulated and used, uh, to block

00:21:18.700 grownup jobs, grownup people's jobs. And it's funny because now we have, and this is a good,

00:21:24.480 kind of a good segue into the next thing I wanted to talk to you about. We have a real existential

00:21:28.960 crisis, uh, unfolding between Russia and Ukraine and the Russian war machine has been fed by the

00:21:39.680 environmentalist movement and their, their actions to block North American energy independence. Um,

00:21:47.080 it has, uh, enabled gas problems, stranglehold, particularly on Germany with the amount of

00:21:54.420 natural gas that Germany is buying from Russia. That money just flows right into Russia. They build

00:22:01.060 their war machine and now they're using it against Ukraine. Um, but Russia has really played a long

00:22:07.520 game with this. And I, I see friends of science has a great blog post about have environmentalists

00:22:13.940 being financed by Russia. This is something that's been on the Americans radar for about eight years.

00:22:21.620 Um, but, and a lot of it ends up, um, I, I had seen an article and I'll see if I can dig it up as you're

00:22:28.540 talking, but the sea change foundation in San Francisco, which works very closely with tides,

00:22:36.900 they were receiving money from a holding company that was based offshore. I think it's Klein

00:22:43.900 and the Russians were dumping money into that holding company. And then that money was coming out the

00:22:50.080 other side into San Francisco based environmentalist organizations like sea change and tides. And we

00:22:58.000 know that some of that foreign money ended up in Canada and it was particularly, particularly designed

00:23:04.920 in this case to block fracking and fund at the anti-fracking movement because that secured gas

00:23:12.260 proms market share. If Americans were not exporting liquefied natural gas.

00:23:17.780 Mm hmm. Yes. And, you know, it's easy also to sort of point the finger and say, Oh, look,

00:23:23.220 Russia's the bad guy. Cause he did all this funding. Well, you know, how stupid are Westerners?

00:23:29.080 Honest to God. I mean, sure. This is our 20th year of operation. We've been issuing reports and 1.00

00:23:35.140 documents on energy issues and climate science for the past 20 years. And first of all, the media

00:23:42.500 doesn't pick it up partly because as we discussed prior, they are also deeply engrossed and engaged with

00:23:51.320 these environmental groups and partly, and now they're also funded by the government. And,

00:23:57.780 and you also find that, that no one in government has raised a question and said, well, can we really

00:24:07.940 go net zero? Cause you know, it looks to me like about 80% of our country runs on fossil fuels. Do

00:24:14.820 you think we can do this in just a decade or less? Yeah. You know, why isn't anybody asking this

00:24:20.100 question? We have laid it out time and again, and people don't want to hear it. Uh, so either they're

00:24:26.100 being paid to, to tow the party line and go along with, uh, Russian propaganda or they're useful 1.00

00:24:32.740 idiots. But, but the point is that, you know, we are all now in, in Europe facing a huge crisis. If, 1.00

00:24:42.020 if Russia gets pushed to the wall, they can simply turn off the gas. Yep. I don't think they'll do that

00:24:49.300 because they don't want to kill millions of people and they need the money. They need the money and they

00:24:54.900 actually just want to have a business deal. That's what Nord Stream 2 is all about. Um, but, um,

00:25:02.020 you know, but the West has tinkered and dabbled in the Ukraine. And sadly, tragically, those are the

00:25:07.380 people who are the pawns now bearing the brunt of this when, um, that didn't have to happen. And we

00:25:13.700 have quite a few articles on our blog by, uh, Samuel Forfari, who's a chemical engineer. He was a,

00:25:21.460 an official with the EU for 36 years and he's a geopolitical energy expert. So read those and

00:25:28.580 see that point of view from Belgium and understand how these geopolitical energy issues are vital to

00:25:37.300 the survival of any nation and especially Canada. You know, it's very cold here. Maybe you've noticed.

00:25:43.060 Yeah. Yeah. There's, I'm sorry. I'm just reading through this as you're talking there,

00:25:48.660 this Washington examiner article, which is just great because it links back to all the times

00:25:54.260 the house committee on science space and technology, as well as, um, another house committee,

00:26:00.820 um, tracked the Russian interference in the fracking industry. Um, and they said there's a paperless

00:26:08.820 money trail that flows from Russian president Vladimir Putin's government into a shell company

00:26:14.020 in Bermuda and from there into the sea change foundation. And they go on to say that a lot of

00:26:22.020 the money ended up targeted at Marcellus and Utica shale gas resources. So if you're a Russian oligarch

00:26:30.660 looking to suppress America's natural gas revolution, and the same thing happened to us here in Canada,

00:26:35.380 because the money came out the other side from sea change and tides, and then also ended up in

00:26:40.340 Canada. Pennsylvania is a place where you'd want to concentrate those resources, but the same

00:26:45.620 de-marketing campaign was targeted at us. And so when we hear about, uh, you know, Russian meddling,

00:26:52.980 um, as we did through the entire time of president Donald Trump's presidency, it wasn't what they were

00:27:00.820 telling us. It was something that happened far sooner and it furthered the Democrat agenda of

00:27:06.260 the green new deal. And, and ironically, and sadly, of course, all of these ENGOs have been subsidized

00:27:14.580 tax subsidized by you and people who have wanted to save the, you know, burrowing owl or whatever

00:27:21.220 little creature they came up with, uh, beluga whale or the white whales, you know, they donated 20,

00:27:27.940 30, 50, a hundred, a thousand dollars. Maybe they donated their land as part of their estate,

00:27:33.620 you know, believing that they were saving the planet when they were just being conned.

00:27:39.700 Like what a tragedy, what a humiliation. And now look, we're in really deep doo-doo because of this.

00:27:48.580 Now I wanted to, uh, touch on something that you wrote the other day in the Western standard,

00:27:54.820 and I'm really proud of the Western standard for, uh, publishing your article. They are, uh,

00:27:59.460 early adopters of good ideas over there. Uh, why don't you tell us a little bit about your

00:28:03.540 article in the Western standard? Uh, well, I, I felt strongly that, um, uh, some of the rhetoric going

00:28:12.180 around was, um, you know, really, um, improper, like, uh, Dave Makachuk is beating the drum to go

00:28:22.340 to war. And so I wanted to try and get people to think a bit more about the fact that we will never

00:28:29.460 be on the front line of war. You know, we're, we're all safe and happy here. I mean, unless Russia decides to

00:28:37.060 invade, um, the Arctic, which they could, they have, uh, tons of, um, uh, they have like, I think,

00:28:44.580 eight bases in the Arctic. They planted a flag on the bottom of the Arctic ocean. They have the world's

00:28:50.900 biggest, uh, uh, icebreakers, the world's biggest submarine, and they have hypersonic missiles. So,

00:28:58.100 you know, people should not be beating the drum and trying to make things worse. And I think people

00:29:04.020 should also look at John Mearsheimer's, uh, lecture from 2015. And he was talking about how the problems

00:29:11.140 in the Ukraine between the Ukraine and Russia are actually the fault of the West. And again, 0.62

00:29:16.420 because the West keeps dangling NATO promises in front of Ukraine and saying, well, you know,

00:29:21.940 we think you should join one day. And so the Ukraine thinks that's great. You know, if anything

00:29:27.060 happens, the West will back us. NATO will be there for us. Meantime, the West knows that if they

00:29:33.460 incorporate, um, uh, the Ukraine into NATO, that would be a declaration of war, as far as Russia's

00:29:40.740 concerned. And Russia has said that since the 1990s, when, uh, the wall came down and the Soviet Union

00:29:47.860 broke up, they, um, they were promised by successive officials in the West that no, no, NATO will never

00:29:56.420 move an inch toward you, never move an inch eastward. Well, it's been galloping eastward. And, you know,

00:30:04.340 this was sort of the last draw, I guess. So I just think that people should, um, calm down, look a bit

00:30:11.540 more carefully at both sides of the story here. I decry the invasion. I'm terribly sad for the Ukrainian 0.90

00:30:19.540 people. But I, I will also say that, um, in 1984, I was in, uh, Russia to try and get a documentary

00:30:28.180 going on Vladislav Tretyek. And, uh, the people I met there were wonderful people, fabulous people.

00:30:35.780 And, uh, they reminded me very much of my farm family here in Alberta, you know, people,

00:30:41.540 salt of the earth, grounded people, uh, very family oriented, um, very generous to me. And it,

00:30:49.140 it was also clear to me that Russia was still in a post-war recovery period, you know, because after

00:30:55.300 World War II, um, the U.S. and the West rushed into Germany and Japan to rebuild those countries.

00:31:03.940 They didn't do that, of course, with Russia, because there was a standoff by that time. But, uh,

00:31:10.340 that means that they spent, you know, the past, uh, number of decades struggling

00:31:16.980 to regain footing. And one of the things I found when I was researching for the documentary is that

00:31:23.700 24 million Russians died in World War II. That was the entire population of Canada at the time I was

00:31:31.380 working on that documentary. So think of what a tremendous blow that is to any nation.

00:31:37.460 So I guess what I'm saying is that, you know, let's, let's try and have a broader view of history and

00:31:43.300 try and find some peaceful resolution. And one of the things that Professor Samuel Fafari had proposed

00:31:50.900 prior to the conflict was that a good energy deal with the EU and Russia could, you know,

00:31:59.300 perhaps end the conflict, make a deal, serve both sides. And, um, and it's something that's

00:32:07.460 imminently doable. Uh, of course, Nord Stream 2 has been canceled now, but, um, you know,

00:32:14.260 it may be a road back, but I think we don't want to pull the whole world into the war because,

00:32:19.940 you know, Ukraine and Russia are big suppliers of wheat for the rest of the world. And thousands of

00:32:27.300 people, millions of people will be facing famine because of this conflict. So we should try and

00:32:33.220 resolve it as best we can, I think. Yeah. It's so strange to see the rhetoric online. I'm anti-invasion.

00:32:42.100 I'm pro Ukrainian sovereignty, but I'm also pro Russian people. And when I see that the Russian 1.00

00:32:52.340 government is going to attempt to occupy a country of 40 million people who would rather take up arms

00:33:01.140 and die than be Russian again, they're entering a forever war where generations of young Russian men 0.98

00:33:09.900 are going to be sent home in body bags to their moms, because you're dealing with people who,

00:33:15.740 like I said, will die, will participate in an insurgency rather than be Russian again. And that's 1.00

00:33:23.020 on the Russian government. And I have nothing but compassion for those Russian mothers who, 1.00

00:33:29.980 you know, know that this is what's going to happen to their sons. If this continues down this road.

00:33:36.700 Mm-hmm. And that's, I think, the grim reality of war and why, you know, we in Canada shouldn't be so quick

00:33:44.540 to push the hot rhetoric. Because unless something unusual happens, it won't be our sons coming home in

00:33:56.620 body bags. Uh, and it's a terrible thing. Yeah. You know, it's going back to just the reliance on Russian 1.00

00:34:07.420 gas. There are, it's, again, like the carbon taxophobia that you talk about with the mainstream

00:34:13.580 media and they just can't talk about it. The environmentalists can't talk about how their

00:34:19.660 green energy policies have pushed Germany into the arms of Vladimir Putin. They've said, you've got to

00:34:27.980 get off coal and you've got to get off nuclear, but Germans still need to heat their homes and power 0.99

00:34:34.220 their homes. And so they, the environmentalist movement left them with no choice, but to cozy up to Putin

00:34:41.340 and buy, I think it's 40% of Gazprom gas goes directly to Germany. And that's the green movement 0.64

00:34:49.280 that destabilized the world. Energy independence is the way forward for peace and security. And even now

00:34:56.560 we've got Joe Biden running around to all the oligarchs and horrible people of the world, Saudi 1.00

00:35:02.440 Arabia, Iran, Venezuela, a government, the Americans don't even recognize as legitimate and saying,

00:35:10.120 give us your oil and gas. We need more of your oil and gas. And we're up here in Canada saying,

00:35:15.700 hello, we have a pipeline that has like this much left to build. Could we just finish it? We'd love

00:35:21.620 to help you out, but they're, they can't backtrack from those green policies. They're just stuck.

00:35:28.380 Yeah. Well, and you know, we did a report called protests versus green trade war, and you can see

00:35:33.740 if you, and this is the tar sands campaign in their own words, and you can see that the Democrats have

00:35:41.240 used this Keystone XL as a wedge issue. And that, you know, the, the dirtiness of the oil sands,

00:35:52.320 you know, the, the vast expanse of land being excavated, which is actually the same size as the city of

00:36:00.320 Toronto, but they're excavating it in a few years rather than three or 400. So, you know,

00:36:07.580 it's all going to be reclaimed. But that dirty image has been a really big seller for wind and

00:36:14.100 solar, because then you say, oh, but look, this is clean. See, that's dirty. This is clean. So it's 0.94

00:36:20.560 really been a very advanced marketing tool. And I think if people look at it that way, it makes a lot

00:36:26.000 more sense. What else did I want to mention to you? Oh, yeah, I think also, you know, we did a

00:36:33.920 couple of reports, ones that climate risk report where the Canadian securities administrators were

00:36:40.020 trying to decide whether or not climate risk reporting should be incorporated into securities,

00:36:45.480 governance and legislation. And we told them that really, it's just greenwashing. And actually,

00:36:52.580 since the world is now at war, like, shouldn't we be paying more attention to practical issues like

00:37:00.060 energy independence, and financial security for the investments in energy. So we hadn't gotten a

00:37:07.600 response from them. But that's also on our blog, if people want to have a look.

00:37:11.680 I don't know if you saw John Kerry musing about how going to war is going to force people to take

00:37:17.580 their eye off the prize of climate change. And then he was worried about the carbon emissions

00:37:21.180 related to war. And I'm like, I think they're leveling cities like that. The Russians have a 0.97

00:37:25.680 habit of what they call depopulating cities, they first they shall and then they just, it's

00:37:32.200 indiscriminate. And John Kerry is worried about the carbon emissions. I mean, these people are just

00:37:38.600 it's anti human. I know I didn't need confirmation. But that was it. I'm like, you said the quiet part

00:37:45.160 out loud, John Kerry, you're not supposed to do that.

00:37:47.840 Yeah, well, it you know, it is anti human. And Samuel for far, he has a piece on our blog also about

00:37:54.940 the assault on Western values. And interestingly enough, you know, if you look at the World Economic

00:38:01.360 Forum, they are supporting the Ukraine. And you'd think them being in Switzerland, they might want to

00:38:08.280 prefer to take a more neutral role. But not only are they supporting the Ukraine, they also are the

00:38:16.940 people who've been pushing for a global price on carbon by 2030. Now, we also have on our blog,

00:38:24.380 the Kyoto Protocol PowerPoint that Russia presented, or one of the Russian advisors presented in 2004.

00:38:32.060 This came to us a few years ago, via the Clinton network. And it's very interesting, because the

00:38:38.880 Russians see the climate change movement as the threat to human civilization. And they lay it out 1.00

00:38:47.220 in very stark terms.

00:38:48.940 They were just smart enough to fund it in the other parts of the world.

00:38:52.100 That's right. Well, they saw how stupidly sheepish people could be about it. So why not do it? 0.99

00:38:57.720 And I mean, honestly, why, you know, we have 1000s of great engineers in the West.

00:39:05.040 Why do governments not appeal to them and say, is this doable? You know, is net zero by 2030 doable?

00:39:11.300 Because it's not by 2050? No, it's not. Okay, well, show us what we should do. You know, and we have a

00:39:19.020 couple of reports on that we have net zero, the Holy Grail. And we also have the cost of US decarbonization,

00:39:26.500 which turns out to be something like 20 times the US GDP. So, you know, these are impossible

00:39:34.420 notions that the Greens have been pushing on society. And politicians have been buying into

00:39:39.460 them probably, because all these NGOs are so rich and powerful. And there has been that flow of

00:39:46.580 offshore money. You know, who knows if it directly entered the pockets of certain people.

00:39:51.640 We don't know. But we do know that the social influence of it has been massive. So they want

00:39:57.540 to get votes. So everybody goes climate change, climate change. But that just enhances and increases

00:40:02.840 the demand for more climate change policies. And actually, Robert Lyman said it when he spoke

00:40:10.420 to us in 2017. I think it was, he said that successive governments have made promises

00:40:16.280 that they couldn't keep and they didn't keep. And yet the environmentalists for the next government

00:40:22.540 have used them like a two by four, you know, to beat the politicians around the head. And you see that

00:40:27.780 as the climate policies get ever more restrictive. But, you know, one thing that I wanted to mention

00:40:35.400 with regard to the convoy and the Emergencies Act, I don't know if people are aware, but in September

00:40:41.760 of 2021, in the journal Metro, out of Quebec, there was a proposal that the War Measures Act

00:40:49.760 should be instituted to fight the climate emergency. And then a personal carbon ration could be put on

00:40:56.200 your VAX port, your freedom of movement could be limited. And all of the things that we saw roll out

00:41:02.720 in the emergencies declaration for the convoy were proposed in that op-ed in journal Metro,

00:41:10.240 in the fall of 2021. And I think, you know, this is why we have to be very careful about

00:41:17.700 things going forward, because obviously, they're keen to use this act again. And perhaps they thought

00:41:25.060 that the convoy was a more viable risk to the public, you know, because all those people were

00:41:32.940 actually walking around with gasoline. There was gasoline in Ottawa. Everyone there rides a bike

00:41:40.400 or, you know, or walks or skates. So they probably saw that as more of a threat. And also Mark Carney,

00:41:48.260 again, an unelected, unaccountable person, wrote a very influential op-ed in the Globe and Mail,

00:41:53.880 calling it sedition. And people were actually just there, you know, making a public protest and

00:41:59.880 having a beer and having fun in their bouncy castle with a burger. So, you know, and Mark Carney is

00:42:08.240 the UN climate czar, right? Yeah. So, you know, very influential guy. Yeah, it's funny how I think we

00:42:17.220 were being primed for the normalization of invoking the emergencies act. They can invoke it over honking

00:42:22.960 and bouncy castles, then surely, surely, it will be no problem to invoke it over the impending doomsday

00:42:30.420 of climate change, according to them. I don't think that that's the case. And it's funny, you mentioned

00:42:34.760 the World Economic Forum, and they tell me they're not sinister. But boy, they see everything as an

00:42:40.920 opportunity. All the biblical bad things like war, pestilence, famine, they're like, yep, yep, yep, that's an

00:42:47.480 opportunity for us to do. Wow. They tell me the Great Reset is a conspiracy theory, but why do I

00:42:54.140 have government documents on it sitting on my desk that I'm reading through? Michelle, thank you for

00:43:01.320 being so generous with your time. How do people support the very important work that you folks

00:43:06.260 are doing at Friends of Science? Because, and I say it every time you're on, you guys have a shoestring

00:43:10.940 budget, and you do incredible work, and you are up against the deep pockets of the environmentalist

00:43:17.520 movement, which, as we know, is funded by the Russians. Well, people can support us by becoming

00:43:24.580 a member. You can become a member for one year for $40, three years for $80. There's a button on our

00:43:32.000 new website. And also, you can share our stuff, you can donate, you don't have to become a member. But if

00:43:39.360 you do, you get all of our newsletters and materials. And, you know, share our material,

00:43:46.500 talk with your family and friends about it, talk with your politicians about it. We've got lots of

00:43:50.980 very good reports that help people understand the crucial issues of the day on climate and energy

00:43:57.720 policies. And really, you know, we're not registered lobbyists. So we're not able to go to Ottawa,

00:44:05.480 we don't have the money to do it anyway. But, you know, if you look at the lobby, lobbyist registry

00:44:11.240 there, you'll find the NGOs have dozens of lobbyists, they're in and out of government departments every

00:44:16.280 single day of the week. So you know, we rely on the public to be our foot soldiers, if you like to put

00:44:22.560 it in more terms. So, you know, share our stuff and help in any way that you can. We really appreciate

00:44:30.880 it. And thank you to Rebel News for, you know, giving us a bit of a platform to tell our story

00:44:37.540 because other people are reluctant to do so. You know, it's, I find Friends of Science to be an

00:44:42.820 incredible resource. Even for me, I read government documents all day long through the jargon. But

00:44:48.400 sometimes even I'm like, you know what, let me just go see what Friends of Science is saying about

00:44:53.040 this. They pulled the numbers out of this that I just couldn't find. And it, like I said before,

00:44:59.220 it's an incredible resource for normals to understand how these bad, expensive government

00:45:05.200 green policies are going to hit you right in your family's bank account. So I appreciate immensely the

00:45:10.940 work that you guys do. Thank you so much. And, you know, I'm the spokesperson, but we have a team of

00:45:17.220 professional engineers, professional geoscientists and others. And we work closely with the Clintel 0.99

00:45:24.180 Network out of the Netherlands, who are now about 1000 scientists and scholars who say there's no

00:45:31.140 climate emergency. And we do have time. So share that message.

00:45:36.960 I will. Thanks, Michelle. We'll have you back on again, very, very soon. Thank you, everybody at

00:45:41.180 home for watching this episode of the Sheila and Michelle Mutual Appreciation Society.

00:45:45.680 Thank you, Sheila. Thanks. We'll talk soon. Bye.

00:46:01.540 Our friends at Friends of Science do such good work on such a small budget. And as it would turn out,

00:46:08.140 they might even be up against the deep pockets of Russian oligarchs, brave, but increasingly

00:46:16.260 efficient, digesting complex ideas for the working man. The radical left, as always, well, you just have

00:46:23.820 to follow the money to find the real agenda that they have. Well, everybody, that's the show for

00:46:28.140 tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same

00:46:32.300 place next week. And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:46:38.140 We'll be right back here in the same time.

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