Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Will the people’s revolution bring down Iran’s Ayatollahs？

00:00:00.000 hello my friends big feature interview with dr daniel pipes about iran today boy are things

00:00:05.160 heating up over there also want to talk to you about a swedish pop star who says she hates

00:00:10.860 the immigration police in the united states oh and by the way can i please get a visa to the

00:00:15.600 united states i wonder if there's a conflict there uh but first let me invite you to become

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00:00:31.020 tonight will the people's revolution get rid of the ayatollahs in iran it's january 13th and this

00:00:53.220 is the ezra levant show oh hi everybody i can hardly wait to show you my interview today

00:01:13.360 with dr daniel pipes of the middle east forum he's an expert in iran and we'll have a about a half

00:01:19.100 hour conversation with him but first i want to show you something that i saw the corner of my eye

00:01:23.600 on social media zara larson is a pop star uh from scandinavia i had never heard of her until yesterday

00:01:32.080 i confess uh she's a bit of a big deal though uh she's got 9.8 million followers on instagram and 0.80

00:01:40.860 one of her comments very very thoughtful was to say i effing hate ice ice being the uh of course

00:01:49.040 immigration police in the united states um it was a weird rant in that she sort of had a list as you

00:01:55.080 can see she said she loves criminals i mean i guess jesus said that too he loves the sinners

00:02:00.820 hates the sin but she said she loves abortion and she loves welfare well that's not the same as loving

00:02:07.680 the sinner but hating the sinner i don't really understand what she was trying to say and i don't

00:02:12.400 think it was particularly deep to be honest um she had no love for ice though uh in fact she said

00:02:20.280 she hated it so i i think it wasn't particularly erudite and not very intellectual now she got a lot

00:02:26.560 of flack for it uh but obviously she got a lot of attention and instead of thinking well maybe i

00:02:33.240 should recalibrate she doubled down she warmed to her theme and she gave her opinions from over

00:02:40.820 there in sweden or wherever she is about ice the american police who are fulfilling donald trump's

00:02:46.420 electoral mandate of deporting illegal criminals people who come into the country illegally uh she

00:02:51.520 said about ice quote there are criminals too killing kidnapping violent hateful ones

00:03:03.000 so she said i didn't know she was an expert in things um but i do know from poking around her

00:03:10.180 website that she is about to begin a u.s tour a concert tour and she's starting in some very

00:03:17.760 democrat blue antifa cities of portland seattle and oakland perhaps the most three three most left-wing

00:03:25.320 cities in the united states now the thing about attacking the immigration police the thing about

00:03:30.420 attacking the immigration department of the united states is it's odd to do that right before you're

00:03:36.600 going to need to apply to the immigration department of the united states to go on a big rock and roll tour

00:03:43.120 as she is should secretary of state marco rubio who's in charge of visas should she let zara larson in 1.00

00:03:52.220 i mean do you doubt for a second that she will use her concerts as an opportunity to radicalize young

00:03:59.960 people against police do you really think she's not gonna she's having the time of her life poking the

00:04:05.540 bear in america i mean i guess one cheeky approach for the u.s government would to be to let her in and do 1.00

00:04:13.400 her concerts and for ice to use her concerts as a kind of honeypot to attract bad guys or people who 1.00

00:04:22.600 have to be deported and have a massive ice presence at her concerts to sweep up the lawbreakers i mean 0.52

00:04:30.500 of course american citizens have the first amendment and that allows them to express their feelings

00:04:35.700 including if their feelings are hatred for their country like zara larson feels foreigners may have

00:04:41.860 that freedom of speech too but they don't have the right to enter the united states to express it

00:04:47.460 i think we take for granted that people can just express their hatred of america especially

00:04:52.880 celebrities doing it because americans never push back they never do anything about it if you say how

00:04:58.700 much you hate them in fact some americans cheer when you say you hate america same thing with canada by

00:05:06.800 the way i mean if we're tearing down statues of sir john a mcdonald and calling canada a genocidal

00:05:13.020 country because of a fake claim about a particular residential school it's tough to muster any outrage

00:05:19.780 when someone else says we're evil right especially if we've been saying it about ourselves falsely but

00:05:24.500 still is america just supposed to accept all of this some millionaire from sweden calling ice police

00:05:32.660 murderers and kidnappers as a thought exercise imagine if a singer were about to embark on a

00:05:38.780 20-city concert tour of france but started off by telling her 10 million followers how evil france is

00:05:46.500 and how much she hates french police well actually come to think of it france probably would allow it's a 1.00

00:05:52.140 bad example but i i think trump is starting to push back on this stuff not at the petty level

00:05:58.340 of a pop star um but at a more serious level of everyone around the world taking america for

00:06:04.480 granted knowing america is very powerful but knowing that america is slow to anger and will accept a lot

00:06:10.460 of guff it reminds me of this rant in a movie by christopher walken oh i don't know this is about 20

00:06:17.860 years old can i play for you a clip that's about a minute and 40 seconds long um christopher walken who's

00:06:23.780 a great actor very dramatic style and and very unique sound of his voice trying to rev up someone

00:06:31.000 it doesn't matter the context but just listen to this talk and think if you would that the united

00:06:36.740 states is the lion they're talking about

00:06:38.760 you watch those nature documentaries on the cable

00:06:50.180 yeah you see the one about lions

00:06:54.320 yeah

00:06:56.400 get this lion

00:06:58.520 he's the king of the jungle

00:07:01.520 huge mane out there

00:07:03.840 he's laying down under a tree

00:07:06.640 in the middle of africa

00:07:08.440 he's so big

00:07:09.980 he's so hot

00:07:12.060 he doesn't want to move

00:07:15.060 now the little lion comes they start messing with him

00:07:19.600 biting his tail biting his ears

00:07:22.600 he doesn't do anything

00:07:24.340 the lioness

00:07:26.520 she starts messing with him 0.96

00:07:29.120 coming over making trouble

00:07:31.080 still

00:07:31.960 nothing

00:07:33.100 now the other animals

00:07:35.200 they notice this

00:07:36.440 and they start to move in

00:07:38.840 the jackals

00:07:40.600 hyenas 0.62

00:07:43.040 they're barking at him

00:07:45.300 laughing at him

00:07:46.180 they nip his toes

00:07:48.820 and eat the food

00:07:50.660 that's in his domain

00:07:52.040 they do this

00:07:53.500 and they get

00:07:54.800 closer and closer and bolder and bolder

00:07:57.420 till one day 1.00

00:07:58.280 that lion gets up and tears the shit 0.99

00:08:02.420 out of everybody 0.99

00:08:03.320 runs like the wind

00:08:04.780 eats everything in his path

00:08:07.160 because every once in a while

00:08:08.880 the lion has to show the jackals

00:08:11.940 who he is

00:08:15.220 yeah everyone has been nipping

00:08:17.940 at the lion

00:08:19.420 and the lion hasn't done anything

00:08:21.280 in a long time

00:08:23.300 how often does our country

00:08:25.580 poke at the lion

00:08:27.160 insult the lion

00:08:28.500 mock the lion

00:08:29.640 anti-americanism is

00:08:30.820 actually becoming part of the canadian identity

00:08:33.540 again

00:08:33.860 donald trump

00:08:34.500 i think

00:08:36.000 is having his lion

00:08:37.200 moment

00:08:38.720 he just ripped

00:08:39.800 off the head

00:08:40.760 of a hyena 0.64

00:08:41.420 called venezuela

00:08:42.320 and he's threatening

00:08:43.520 to do it

00:08:44.100 to cuba

00:08:45.040 and to colombia

00:08:46.100 and to iran

00:08:47.560 and in a way

00:08:48.300 to greenland too

00:08:49.200 america 0.98

00:08:49.800 seems to be sick

00:08:52.240 of having people

00:08:54.420 take it for granted

00:08:55.580 and taking liberties

00:08:57.660 like telling your 9.8 million followers

00:09:00.300 on instagram

00:09:00.920 that you effing hate them

00:09:02.760 oh but can i please now do a concert tour

00:09:04.920 in your country

00:09:05.460 which is a privilege

00:09:06.200 i think it would be a great symbol

00:09:09.480 if they said no

00:09:11.160 to this anti-american swedish singer

00:09:13.580 right before her concert tour

00:09:15.780 don't you

00:09:17.400 stay with us for more

00:09:19.640 what a contrast

00:09:29.520 the protest

00:09:30.980 against the iranian ayatollahs

00:09:34.200 thousands

00:09:35.800 millions

00:09:36.560 i think

00:09:37.280 rising up

00:09:38.220 it's hard to tell

00:09:39.140 because iran has cut the internet

00:09:41.780 and in some places

00:09:42.920 cut electricity

00:09:44.240 to their own people

00:09:45.840 to try and stop

00:09:47.080 information from getting out

00:09:48.660 i understand

00:09:49.340 that elon musk's starlink

00:09:51.540 provided a possible solution

00:09:53.680 but the iranians

00:09:54.440 are trying to

00:09:54.980 jam that

00:09:56.260 it really is

00:09:57.060 a battle

00:09:58.040 a battle that

00:09:58.980 donald trump

00:10:00.000 the president of the united states

00:10:01.160 has joined

00:10:02.280 at least rhetorically

00:10:03.940 encouraging the iranian people

00:10:05.840 to rise up

00:10:06.680 and to take over

00:10:07.960 the institutions

00:10:08.920 of iran

00:10:09.600 that's the latest tweet

00:10:10.700 as i read this

00:10:11.420 he's tweeting about iran

00:10:12.900 on at least a daily basis

00:10:14.800 and there are

00:10:16.100 reports that may be

00:10:17.560 unrelated

00:10:18.160 that the u.s are moving

00:10:19.840 certain military assets

00:10:21.520 closer to iran

00:10:22.700 now it could be

00:10:23.360 for other reasons

00:10:24.600 and i don't want to

00:10:25.500 speculate too much

00:10:26.940 but trump

00:10:27.980 had tweeted

00:10:29.140 over a week ago

00:10:30.280 that if the iranian regime

00:10:31.660 harms its own people

00:10:33.380 if it shoots its own people

00:10:34.740 that it may face

00:10:36.020 a military response

00:10:37.000 from america

00:10:37.640 there are reports

00:10:39.000 that iran has in fact

00:10:40.160 killed

00:10:40.500 up to 20 000

00:10:42.780 of its own

00:10:43.700 people

00:10:44.560 so it certainly

00:10:45.300 crossed donald trump's

00:10:46.440 red lines

00:10:47.280 one of the differences

00:10:48.440 between this protest

00:10:49.700 and the protests

00:10:51.240 well i suppose

00:10:52.880 on the situation

00:10:53.560 in gaza

00:10:54.240 is the lack

00:10:55.520 of western

00:10:56.300 leftist

00:10:57.440 and populist

00:10:58.540 and student support

00:10:59.680 my point being

00:11:00.580 when israel was fighting

00:11:02.220 against hamas

00:11:02.860 in gaza

00:11:03.580 you had tens of thousands

00:11:05.620 sometimes over 100 000

00:11:06.840 people

00:11:07.200 marching in the streets

00:11:08.700 of london

00:11:09.860 other western capitals

00:11:11.920 even toronto

00:11:13.240 saw tens of thousands

00:11:15.060 marching

00:11:15.720 essentially for hamas

00:11:17.120 not just for gaza

00:11:17.980 you saw all sorts

00:11:19.760 of public intellectuals

00:11:21.580 or at least celebrities

00:11:22.480 standing with gaza

00:11:24.280 but what a contrast

00:11:25.460 now where you see

00:11:26.440 very little support

00:11:27.920 from elite society

00:11:29.520 very little support

00:11:31.180 from the left

00:11:31.960 and it's a fascinating

00:11:33.820 contrast

00:11:34.420 joining us now

00:11:35.160 to talk a little bit

00:11:35.940 more about

00:11:36.680 the iranian protests

00:11:38.100 what their future

00:11:38.960 might be

00:11:39.340 what american involvement

00:11:40.260 might be

00:11:40.800 and what we can learn

00:11:41.880 about the reaction

00:11:42.680 in the west

00:11:43.760 is our friend

00:11:44.420 dr daniel pipes

00:11:45.380 the founder

00:11:46.200 of the middle east forum

00:11:47.600 who joins us now

00:11:48.460 from the united states

00:11:49.920 although in the past

00:11:50.660 he's joined us

00:11:51.220 from very exotic places

00:11:52.260 including

00:11:52.920 of course in the middle east

00:11:54.400 dr pipes

00:11:54.880 great to see you again

00:11:55.700 thank you ezra

00:11:57.480 delighted to be here

00:11:58.380 you know on saturday

00:12:00.000 in my own city of toronto

00:12:01.200 up to 40 000

00:12:02.840 uh people marched

00:12:04.800 in the streets

00:12:05.300 there's a large persian community

00:12:06.900 here in toronto

00:12:07.680 and they were marching

00:12:08.900 for freedom

00:12:09.660 there were canadian flags

00:12:11.720 it was non-violent

00:12:13.080 uh they were not wearing

00:12:14.780 hijabs or masks 0.99

00:12:16.520 it was such a refreshing

00:12:17.720 change

00:12:18.480 from the smaller

00:12:19.980 pro-hamas protests

00:12:21.460 this city has seen

00:12:22.460 there's a lot

00:12:23.560 in that alone

00:12:24.440 why don't you give us

00:12:25.440 your status report

00:12:26.740 because things

00:12:27.720 really are evolving

00:12:28.860 on a daily basis

00:12:29.880 what's the latest

00:12:31.060 as we talk right now

00:12:32.360 well you went over

00:12:33.660 it yourself

00:12:34.420 the number of deaths

00:12:37.000 is going up

00:12:38.020 substantially

00:12:38.740 the regime

00:12:40.620 is using

00:12:42.380 its other means

00:12:43.480 such as control

00:12:44.400 of the internet

00:12:45.100 the electricity

00:12:46.200 to try and control

00:12:48.680 the protests

00:12:49.580 the rebellion

00:12:50.400 the revolt

00:12:50.980 the revolution

00:12:51.600 uh the united states

00:12:54.280 is uh evolving

00:12:56.660 in directions

00:12:57.460 that are somewhat

00:12:58.320 unpredictable

00:12:58.980 as you mentioned

00:13:00.320 troops are being moved

00:13:01.500 to the region

00:13:02.140 uh the president

00:13:03.680 has cancelled

00:13:04.740 respective meetings

00:13:06.580 with the iranian regime

00:13:07.720 he has spoken

00:13:09.100 very ferociously

00:13:10.600 about the end

00:13:12.820 of the regime

00:13:13.760 uh i would say

00:13:16.440 after close to

00:13:18.720 half a century

00:13:19.380 it looks like

00:13:20.360 the islamic republic

00:13:21.760 of iran

00:13:22.380 is about to fall

00:13:24.100 i think the chances

00:13:25.260 are well over

00:13:26.820 fifty percent

00:13:27.680 that it's going to fall

00:13:29.120 besides the

00:13:31.340 revolutionary activity

00:13:32.760 is the harrowing

00:13:34.520 economic circumstance

00:13:36.740 let's just

00:13:37.660 let me point out

00:13:38.580 one fact

00:13:39.600 water

00:13:40.420 water

00:13:41.280 is

00:13:42.640 in

00:13:44.120 short supply

00:13:45.520 people are

00:13:46.420 turning on their

00:13:47.520 taps

00:13:48.260 and finding

00:13:49.020 a hiss

00:13:49.700 and no water

00:13:50.700 this will drive

00:13:52.540 people onto the streets

00:13:53.720 this will drive

00:13:54.920 people to say

00:13:55.760 down with the

00:13:56.800 dictator

00:13:57.740 down with

00:13:58.380 khamenei

00:13:58.920 so i think

00:13:59.900 this is different

00:14:00.520 and generally

00:14:02.120 there's a consensus

00:14:02.880 that this time

00:14:03.540 is different

00:14:03.940 it may not happen

00:14:05.060 this time

00:14:05.920 but we're getting

00:14:07.040 closer and closer

00:14:07.840 to the

00:14:09.000 end of

00:14:10.060 the regime

00:14:10.840 i find that iran

00:14:13.820 is sometimes

00:14:14.860 inscrutable

00:14:15.980 to the west

00:14:17.100 that's a phrase

00:14:17.900 sometimes used

00:14:18.980 to describe

00:14:19.600 china

00:14:20.580 but iran's

00:14:22.220 negotiating style

00:14:23.720 their statements

00:14:24.380 are a little bit

00:14:25.400 hard i think

00:14:25.860 for the western

00:14:26.380 to grok

00:14:27.040 what they react

00:14:29.080 to what they

00:14:29.660 don't

00:14:30.220 but i've got

00:14:31.260 to think

00:14:31.880 that donald trump's

00:14:33.420 startling raid

00:14:34.880 over caracas

00:14:35.780 venezuela

00:14:36.460 two hours

00:14:37.800 total time

00:14:38.740 on the ground

00:14:39.600 where they seized

00:14:40.760 maduro and his wife

00:14:41.780 without suffering

00:14:42.840 a single casualty

00:14:43.820 while dispatching

00:14:44.540 about a hundred

00:14:45.340 cuban and venezuelan

00:14:46.880 bodyguards

00:14:47.460 defying

00:14:48.700 high-tech radars

00:14:50.040 provided by china

00:14:50.980 i've got to think

00:14:52.120 that that

00:14:52.580 really landed

00:14:54.600 with all sorts

00:14:55.820 of american enemies

00:14:56.720 around the world

00:14:57.380 from havana

00:14:58.180 to tehran

00:14:59.860 and i mean

00:15:00.600 israel

00:15:01.280 was able to

00:15:02.460 penetrate a lot

00:15:03.400 of iranian airspace

00:15:04.620 imagine what america

00:15:06.540 could do if it

00:15:07.080 unleashed all its

00:15:07.740 technology

00:15:08.320 what do you think

00:15:09.860 iran thinks

00:15:12.040 what do you think

00:15:12.480 iran thinks

00:15:13.600 of trump's

00:15:14.580 statements

00:15:14.880 i mean

00:15:15.200 i find

00:15:16.200 iran's messages

00:15:17.540 hard to understand

00:15:18.560 what do you think

00:15:19.340 they think

00:15:20.220 just one footnote

00:15:24.120 the israelis

00:15:24.940 not only

00:15:25.460 were successful

00:15:26.300 in the air

00:15:26.800 but they also

00:15:27.520 managed

00:15:28.060 to assassinate

00:15:29.460 a number 0.89

00:15:30.120 of leaders

00:15:30.900 military

00:15:31.720 political

00:15:32.700 and scientific

00:15:33.860 in iran

00:15:34.600 they had

00:15:34.940 deep knowledge

00:15:35.880 of what was

00:15:36.400 going on there

00:15:37.080 which must be

00:15:38.200 frightening

00:15:38.540 for the leadership

00:15:39.600 i think

00:15:41.720 the leadership

00:15:42.880 is scared

00:15:43.680 there are reports

00:15:45.860 one

00:15:46.620 that khamenei 1.00

00:15:47.500 has got a plan

00:15:49.180 b to escape

00:15:50.140 to this

00:15:50.520 to russia

00:15:51.120 there are reports

00:15:53.080 that the

00:15:54.540 military

00:15:55.840 the

00:15:56.100 israelis

00:15:56.560 the islamic republic

00:15:57.780 guard corps

00:15:58.720 is thinking about

00:16:00.980 getting rid of

00:16:02.200 khamenei

00:16:02.800 and replacing him

00:16:04.000 with someone

00:16:04.400 who's more

00:16:04.860 competent

00:16:05.380 in other words

00:16:06.680 there are reports

00:16:07.700 that there is

00:16:09.260 turmoil

00:16:09.780 within the

00:16:10.880 leadership

00:16:11.260 they're just

00:16:12.480 reports

00:16:12.920 nothing is

00:16:13.500 for sure

00:16:14.440 but it does

00:16:15.560 make sense

00:16:16.260 that they are

00:16:16.920 in crisis

00:16:17.540 they have a

00:16:18.500 population

00:16:18.980 that's rising

00:16:19.680 up against

00:16:20.300 them

00:16:20.540 and not only

00:16:21.280 rising up

00:16:21.800 against them

00:16:22.340 but calling

00:16:23.240 for the son

00:16:24.580 of the last

00:16:25.240 shah

00:16:25.640 to replace

00:16:26.480 the

00:16:27.640 haitola

00:16:29.100 as the leader

00:16:30.340 of iran

00:16:30.940 at least

00:16:31.200 interim leader

00:16:31.940 how much

00:16:33.160 walking

00:16:33.700 humiliating

00:16:34.260 can it get

00:16:34.940 almost a

00:16:36.100 half century

00:16:36.920 to have

00:16:37.740 the population

00:16:38.640 which once

00:16:39.540 rose up

00:16:40.160 against the

00:16:40.760 shah

00:16:41.020 now calling

00:16:42.600 for the

00:16:43.000 shah's son 0.58

00:16:43.560 to take

00:16:44.460 the place

00:16:45.040 of the

00:16:45.860 islamic republic

00:16:46.480 i think

00:16:46.880 they're in

00:16:47.520 crisis

00:16:47.840 in short

00:16:48.460 they are in

00:16:49.260 turmoil

00:16:49.620 they don't

00:16:50.820 quite know

00:16:51.580 which way

00:16:51.940 to go

00:16:52.300 one of the

00:16:54.200 most interesting

00:16:54.940 things about

00:16:55.400 the venezuelan

00:16:56.060 affair

00:16:56.300 if i may

00:16:56.820 is that

00:16:57.900 there are

00:16:58.520 no americans

00:16:59.100 on the ground

00:16:59.500 i mean

00:16:59.680 i'm sure

00:17:00.000 there's some

00:17:00.360 cia

00:17:00.900 and some

00:17:01.360 special

00:17:01.680 operatives

00:17:02.020 on the

00:17:02.240 ground

00:17:02.340 but it

00:17:02.540 was not

00:17:02.820 an invasion

00:17:03.400 it was a

00:17:04.500 two-hour

00:17:05.080 snatch

00:17:06.360 of the

00:17:08.480 boss

00:17:08.880 and america

00:17:09.820 is now

00:17:10.180 working with

00:17:10.920 the remains

00:17:11.880 of the

00:17:12.180 regime

00:17:12.640 to affect

00:17:13.720 change

00:17:14.160 basically by

00:17:14.780 saying if

00:17:15.180 you don't

00:17:15.780 do what

00:17:16.200 we now

00:17:16.680 ask

00:17:17.280 release

00:17:18.280 political

00:17:18.680 prisoners

00:17:19.200 reform how

00:17:20.380 you make

00:17:21.080 and sell

00:17:21.480 oil

00:17:21.800 wink wink

00:17:23.500 nudge nudge

00:17:24.040 will knock

00:17:24.520 you out

00:17:24.920 too

00:17:25.220 and so he's

00:17:26.160 actually working

00:17:26.980 with the

00:17:27.640 husk

00:17:28.120 of the

00:17:28.620 maduro

00:17:28.940 regime

00:17:29.500 maduro's

00:17:30.720 son was

00:17:31.240 there when

00:17:31.600 maduro's

00:17:32.060 deputy was

00:17:32.520 sworn in

00:17:33.060 i mean

00:17:34.180 it's it's

00:17:35.020 sort of

00:17:35.300 incredible

00:17:35.720 trump is

00:17:36.280 using

00:17:36.820 the body

00:17:38.660 of maduro's

00:17:40.260 dictatorship

00:17:40.900 to do his

00:17:41.760 reform and

00:17:42.780 it's so clear

00:17:43.340 he just doesn't

00:17:44.040 want another 0.93

00:17:44.640 afghanistan or

00:17:45.920 iraq with a

00:17:46.540 hundred thousand

00:17:47.100 americans on

00:17:47.760 the ground

00:17:48.140 with an

00:17:49.340 attrition rate

00:17:50.500 of you know

00:17:51.160 people dying

00:17:51.860 every week

00:17:52.400 iran is

00:17:54.260 even bigger

00:17:54.920 sorry go

00:17:55.760 ahead

00:17:56.060 the united

00:17:58.240 states and

00:17:59.500 its allies

00:18:00.180 did something

00:18:00.880 absolutely

00:18:01.340 extraordinary in

00:18:02.400 the aftermath of

00:18:03.200 world war ii

00:18:03.880 in countries like

00:18:05.540 germany italy and

00:18:06.500 japan it

00:18:07.860 nation built it

00:18:08.980 reconstructed those

00:18:10.820 countries with

00:18:11.540 enormous success

00:18:12.460 all three are

00:18:13.460 democratic and

00:18:14.200 prosperous this

00:18:15.700 became the

00:18:16.400 default this

00:18:17.880 unique unprecedented

00:18:19.540 act no one

00:18:20.440 ever done this

00:18:20.980 before no one

00:18:21.640 no one had a

00:18:22.220 martial plan or

00:18:23.420 its equivalent of

00:18:24.140 japan of

00:18:25.740 helping the

00:18:26.880 defeated foe

00:18:28.320 come back

00:18:28.980 this became the

00:18:30.580 default this just

00:18:31.620 became what

00:18:32.260 americans did 0.90

00:18:33.200 whether it be in

00:18:34.660 panama or

00:18:35.740 kuwait or

00:18:37.140 afghanistan or

00:18:38.980 iraq but the

00:18:40.380 difference was

00:18:41.160 well there are many

00:18:41.740 differences but

00:18:42.540 most importantly

00:18:43.340 pan italy and

00:18:45.220 germany were

00:18:47.040 world shaking

00:18:48.140 aggressors and

00:18:50.280 we had defeated

00:18:50.900 them in a

00:18:51.500 world shaking

00:18:52.160 war

00:18:52.840 iraq and

00:18:54.860 afghanistan

00:18:55.440 nothing like

00:18:56.100 that and so

00:18:57.240 americans didn't 0.98

00:18:58.020 have the same

00:18:59.000 energy

00:18:59.540 same will

00:19:02.440 to impose

00:19:04.160 a new regime

00:19:05.340 a new order

00:19:06.420 in these countries

00:19:07.680 and so they

00:19:08.760 failed

00:19:09.080 trillions of

00:19:10.320 dollars were

00:19:10.820 spent thousands

00:19:11.680 of lives were

00:19:12.580 lost

00:19:12.900 no effect the

00:19:13.900 taliban are

00:19:14.440 back in

00:19:15.320 afghanistan

00:19:15.960 saddam

00:19:17.300 saddam

00:19:17.320 is not

00:19:17.860 back but

00:19:18.440 it's pretty

00:19:18.980 wretched in

00:19:19.480 iraq so

00:19:20.520 there's a

00:19:20.860 great disillusionment

00:19:22.140 in the united

00:19:22.680 states with this

00:19:23.580 old pattern

00:19:24.620 going back to

00:19:25.440 1945 and

00:19:26.940 what trump did

00:19:27.740 in venezuela

00:19:28.980 was invent

00:19:29.780 something new

00:19:30.520 startling i mean

00:19:32.160 i was shocked

00:19:32.720 when he dissed

00:19:34.560 the opposition

00:19:35.840 leader i couldn't

00:19:36.640 believe my ears

00:19:37.760 but he had

00:19:39.160 his team came

00:19:40.260 up with an

00:19:41.080 idea an

00:19:41.900 alternative which

00:19:42.660 you just

00:19:43.080 described of

00:19:43.920 working with

00:19:44.600 the regime

00:19:45.600 not getting

00:19:47.580 rid of it

00:19:48.060 not taking

00:19:49.200 over not

00:19:50.100 bringing in

00:19:50.880 the opposition

00:19:51.700 but working

00:19:52.860 with the old

00:19:53.560 team now

00:19:54.640 there are

00:19:54.840 pluses and

00:19:55.320 minuses to

00:19:55.900 this the

00:19:56.400 minus is

00:19:57.120 obviously that

00:19:57.720 it's still a

00:19:58.340 despotic

00:19:58.880 repressive

00:19:59.500 regime the

00:20:00.640 plus is that

00:20:01.460 you don't need

00:20:02.160 an american

00:20:03.060 led occupation

00:20:05.140 of the country

00:20:05.940 with all the

00:20:06.860 problems and

00:20:07.820 again venezuela

00:20:08.500 is not a

00:20:08.900 world shaking

00:20:09.400 enemy and so

00:20:11.240 the energy

00:20:11.840 isn't there

00:20:12.460 maybe this is

00:20:13.740 a new

00:20:14.000 approach however

00:20:15.020 looking at

00:20:16.540 trump's tweets

00:20:17.300 it seems like

00:20:18.680 he's abandoning

00:20:20.060 the venezuelan

00:20:20.840 approach when it

00:20:21.500 comes to iran

00:20:22.280 and he's talking

00:20:23.500 about the

00:20:24.720 opposition taking

00:20:25.700 over and

00:20:27.000 that could imply

00:20:28.420 an american

00:20:29.260 role and

00:20:31.500 american occupation

00:20:32.480 who knows

00:20:33.040 so we have

00:20:34.700 this new

00:20:35.240 approach in

00:20:38.060 venezuela

00:20:38.580 will it be

00:20:39.540 followed in

00:20:40.140 iran or are

00:20:41.300 we going back

00:20:41.760 to the

00:20:42.020 one

00:20:42.340 let's see

00:20:43.440 i was startled

00:20:45.320 when trump

00:20:45.900 did not go

00:20:46.580 with the

00:20:47.120 democratically

00:20:48.320 elected

00:20:48.880 opponent to

00:20:50.140 maduro in

00:20:50.840 venezuela and

00:20:51.780 he explained it

00:20:52.380 in half a

00:20:53.100 sentence he

00:20:53.460 said she

00:20:54.220 doesn't have

00:20:54.620 the authority

00:20:55.060 and respect

00:20:55.600 of the country

00:20:56.500 she can't

00:20:56.980 pull it off

00:20:57.420 and i think

00:20:57.940 he's probably

00:20:58.340 right even

00:20:59.300 though i was

00:21:00.020 rooting for her

00:21:00.760 as many were

00:21:01.260 in iran it's

00:21:02.440 different because

00:21:02.920 you're not going

00:21:03.680 to work with

00:21:04.300 ayatollahs who 0.91

00:21:05.820 are religious

00:21:06.460 zealots who

00:21:08.180 are true 0.97

00:21:08.600 believers in

00:21:09.500 you know it's

00:21:10.200 a theocracy

00:21:10.780 you're not

00:21:11.180 going to be

00:21:11.440 able to work

00:21:11.880 with theocrat

00:21:13.040 two if you

00:21:13.740 couldn't work

00:21:14.160 with theocrat

00:21:14.940 one they're

00:21:16.160 not persuadable

00:21:17.460 in the way

00:21:17.880 that a

00:21:18.200 narco-terrorist

00:21:19.180 might be

00:21:20.280 i don't think

00:21:21.920 so at least

00:21:22.520 and that's

00:21:23.380 what's interesting

00:21:23.980 i mean i know

00:21:24.920 some people

00:21:25.380 want the 0.55

00:21:26.660 son of the

00:21:27.180 shah back 0.88

00:21:27.860 in others

00:21:28.320 are a critic

00:21:28.840 of him

00:21:29.320 do you think

00:21:31.060 he has the

00:21:31.800 wide appeal

00:21:32.800 in iran

00:21:33.520 that he could

00:21:34.440 hold it

00:21:34.800 together i mean

00:21:35.300 he hasn't been

00:21:35.940 in the country

00:21:36.640 in a very

00:21:37.580 long time

00:21:38.240 he's sort

00:21:39.040 of a government

00:21:39.400 in exile

00:21:39.900 and some

00:21:40.400 would you know

00:21:41.220 some would say

00:21:42.380 he doesn't

00:21:42.940 have a connection

00:21:43.600 i think trump

00:21:45.100 is right you

00:21:45.580 need a strong

00:21:46.520 leader america

00:21:47.400 doesn't want

00:21:47.840 to send

00:21:49.360 in like a

00:21:50.240 governor

00:21:50.480 mccarthur

00:21:51.100 like he did

00:21:52.200 in japan

00:21:52.840 after the

00:21:53.820 second world

00:21:54.240 war is

00:21:55.060 the shah 0.83

00:21:55.600 the guy

00:21:56.200 well the

00:21:57.320 shah has

00:21:58.000 this shah's 0.98

00:21:58.880 standing has

00:21:59.580 risen enormously

00:22:00.660 in the last

00:22:01.400 weeks and

00:22:02.240 months

00:22:02.600 he is now

00:22:04.320 being proclaimed

00:22:05.440 as the new

00:22:06.180 leader

00:22:06.480 in iran

00:22:07.140 there are

00:22:07.700 people on

00:22:08.800 the street

00:22:09.160 thousands of

00:22:09.920 people calling

00:22:10.600 his name

00:22:11.140 out so he

00:22:12.200 is no longer

00:22:12.820 just some

00:22:13.480 exile in the

00:22:14.360 united states

00:22:14.980 now should

00:22:17.040 we go with

00:22:18.580 the old

00:22:19.120 idea of

00:22:20.460 replacing the

00:22:21.280 regime with

00:22:21.780 a new one

00:22:22.300 he is the

00:22:24.100 obvious person

00:22:24.960 and in that

00:22:25.900 case i hope

00:22:26.600 that he has

00:22:27.300 a meeting

00:22:27.620 with trump

00:22:28.120 and gets

00:22:29.700 the support

00:22:30.700 political

00:22:32.140 symbolic

00:22:35.140 military

00:22:36.420 economic

00:22:37.560 and so

00:22:38.540 forth

00:22:38.840 if not

00:22:40.100 i think

00:22:41.300 i disagree

00:22:41.740 with you

00:22:42.240 if the

00:22:43.100 crew in

00:22:43.860 venezuela

00:22:44.480 who are

00:22:45.560 profoundly

00:22:46.240 anti-american

00:22:47.140 i mean

00:22:47.600 the new

00:22:48.260 leader

00:22:48.600 is the

00:22:49.200 daughter of

00:22:49.740 a man

00:22:50.020 who kidnapped

00:22:50.720 an american

00:22:51.220 businessman

00:22:51.700 and died

00:22:52.620 under torture

00:22:53.180 as a result

00:22:53.740 she hates

00:22:54.500 the united

00:22:54.960 states

00:22:55.380 if she's

00:22:56.120 willing to

00:22:56.460 work with

00:22:56.740 the united

00:22:56.980 states

00:22:57.240 why not

00:22:58.120 some

00:22:58.420 random

00:22:58.880 ayatollah

00:22:59.520 or some

00:22:59.920 leader

00:23:00.220 of the

00:23:00.500 irgc

00:23:01.160 i think

00:23:01.920 it's

00:23:02.400 equally

00:23:04.080 possible

00:23:04.520 i think

00:23:04.960 also

00:23:05.480 that the

00:23:06.280 regime

00:23:07.320 ideology

00:23:07.940 in iran

00:23:09.100 has

00:23:09.480 desiccated

00:23:10.080 much as

00:23:11.380 say in the

00:23:11.860 soviet union

00:23:12.340 it had

00:23:12.800 or in

00:23:13.200 china it 0.93

00:23:14.040 has

00:23:14.520 or in

00:23:15.800 venezuela

00:23:16.300 it has

00:23:16.980 it's just

00:23:18.200 a kind

00:23:18.620 of dictatorship

00:23:19.800 at this

00:23:20.340 point

00:23:20.580 so maybe

00:23:21.140 maybe they

00:23:21.940 could be

00:23:22.420 flexible

00:23:23.180 i wouldn't

00:23:24.040 discount it

00:23:24.660 one of

00:23:26.720 the things

00:23:27.080 i saw

00:23:27.720 again

00:23:28.020 it's hard

00:23:29.040 to know

00:23:29.480 what is

00:23:30.200 a hope

00:23:31.840 that someone

00:23:32.700 has written

00:23:33.140 as a fact

00:23:33.760 it's hard

00:23:34.420 to know

00:23:34.680 what's

00:23:34.920 propaganda

00:23:35.480 or not

00:23:35.820 i mean

00:23:36.020 it's a

00:23:36.600 war really

00:23:37.120 but i

00:23:38.220 read that

00:23:39.020 many mosques

00:23:40.260 are being

00:23:41.320 attacked and

00:23:42.100 torched

00:23:42.500 by the

00:23:43.320 iranian people

00:23:44.180 i understand

00:23:45.580 that the

00:23:45.860 iranian people

00:23:46.460 are quite

00:23:46.860 secular

00:23:47.280 compared to

00:23:47.900 their

00:23:48.100 theocratic

00:23:48.540 leadership

00:23:48.960 they have

00:23:50.700 you know

00:23:51.700 have grown

00:23:52.540 wearisome

00:23:53.640 of

00:23:54.100 religion

00:23:54.820 being used

00:23:55.400 as a

00:23:55.680 cudgel

00:23:55.980 on everything

00:23:56.400 from how

00:23:57.080 women dress 0.99

00:23:57.820 to foreign

00:23:58.800 affairs

00:23:59.240 is it

00:24:00.240 true

00:24:00.600 that

00:24:01.680 ordinary

00:24:02.760 iranian

00:24:03.420 democratic

00:24:04.160 protesters

00:24:04.640 are torching

00:24:05.200 mosques

00:24:05.620 what

00:24:05.940 what does

00:24:06.500 that say

00:24:06.940 about

00:24:07.260 the religious

00:24:08.280 center

00:24:08.800 of iran

00:24:09.900 where

00:24:10.140 what is

00:24:10.940 the typical

00:24:11.420 iranian

00:24:11.980 in terms

00:24:12.740 of religion

00:24:13.200 these days

00:24:13.840 secular

00:24:14.440 the grand

00:24:17.000 irony

00:24:17.500 of the 0.96

00:24:18.520 islamist

00:24:19.080 rule

00:24:19.420 over

00:24:19.940 iran

00:24:20.820 again

00:24:21.420 close to

00:24:21.920 half a

00:24:22.260 century

00:24:22.540 is that

00:24:23.640 it has

00:24:24.260 hollowed out

00:24:25.020 the religious

00:24:25.980 institutions

00:24:26.680 and religious

00:24:28.360 practice

00:24:29.120 the mosques

00:24:30.560 are empty

00:24:31.260 there's a

00:24:32.340 general sense

00:24:33.200 if this is

00:24:34.540 islam

00:24:35.040 what the

00:24:35.400 government

00:24:35.700 is purveying

00:24:36.420 i don't

00:24:36.940 want it

00:24:37.460 there's a

00:24:38.540 substantial

00:24:39.200 conversion

00:24:40.480 to christianity

00:24:41.480 by substantial

00:24:42.360 i mean

00:24:42.660 about one

00:24:43.120 percent

00:24:43.540 which given

00:24:44.640 that converting

00:24:45.660 to christianity

00:24:46.460 is like joining

00:24:47.200 the enemy

00:24:47.700 like becoming

00:24:48.920 a traitor

00:24:49.380 is a 0.95

00:24:50.460 very

00:24:51.000 significant

00:24:51.760 number

00:24:52.120 so

00:24:53.340 yes

00:24:54.400 and one

00:24:55.660 sees by the

00:24:56.140 way a

00:24:56.420 similar

00:24:56.700 development

00:24:58.180 in turkey

00:24:59.100 it's only

00:25:00.340 half the

00:25:01.120 time

00:25:01.520 only

00:25:01.840 a quarter

00:25:02.860 of a

00:25:03.120 century

00:25:03.380 that since

00:25:04.400 the islamist

00:25:04.960 rule has

00:25:05.420 taken over

00:25:06.080 and it's

00:25:06.900 not nearly

00:25:07.460 so violent

00:25:08.180 as in iran

00:25:09.160 but you see

00:25:09.640 the same

00:25:10.140 emptying out

00:25:10.800 of the

00:25:12.300 mosques

00:25:12.760 and the

00:25:13.080 same

00:25:13.380 hollowing out

00:25:14.420 of religious

00:25:15.080 faith

00:25:15.540 it doesn't

00:25:16.400 work

00:25:16.820 there's no

00:25:18.660 better way

00:25:19.280 to destroy

00:25:21.120 your faith

00:25:21.740 than by

00:25:22.420 making it

00:25:22.940 the ruling

00:25:23.340 authority

00:25:23.840 it doesn't

00:25:24.780 work

00:25:25.140 i started out

00:25:27.820 by mentioning

00:25:28.320 that in

00:25:28.900 toronto

00:25:29.300 which is a

00:25:30.260 large persian

00:25:31.100 community

00:25:31.520 up to 40,000

00:25:32.680 were on the

00:25:33.120 street

00:25:33.320 and that was

00:25:33.700 underreported

00:25:34.640 by the

00:25:35.160 canadian media

00:25:35.780 the cbc

00:25:36.300 actually said

00:25:36.860 hundreds

00:25:37.640 which was

00:25:38.520 absurd

00:25:39.240 even if the

00:25:39.940 40,000

00:25:40.480 number is

00:25:41.400 high by

00:25:42.020 50 percent

00:25:42.880 there's no

00:25:43.240 way it was

00:25:43.620 hundreds

00:25:44.060 i have a

00:25:46.500 hope that

00:25:47.380 if iran

00:25:47.920 falls

00:25:48.540 some of

00:25:49.660 the

00:25:49.880 anti-israel

00:25:52.000 anti-western

00:25:53.300 radicalism

00:25:54.360 on the

00:25:54.720 streets of

00:25:55.280 the west

00:25:56.560 will dissipate

00:25:57.780 some of

00:25:59.960 these professional

00:26:00.560 protesters that

00:26:01.320 have encampments

00:26:02.360 anti-semitic

00:26:03.240 encampments at

00:26:03.840 universities

00:26:04.380 two years ago

00:26:05.640 that that'll

00:26:06.560 dry up

00:26:06.980 now maybe 0.71

00:26:07.280 qatar will be 1.00

00:26:07.920 there to

00:26:08.280 fund it

00:26:08.800 but i

00:26:09.380 think that

00:26:10.980 a lot of

00:26:11.600 the anti-semitism

00:26:12.560 we see

00:26:13.100 has been

00:26:13.900 artificially

00:26:14.680 propped up

00:26:15.340 by iran

00:26:16.180 through money

00:26:17.320 through social

00:26:18.340 media

00:26:18.800 schemes and

00:26:20.380 bots

00:26:20.800 am i kidding

00:26:22.340 myself

00:26:22.900 would the

00:26:24.160 fall of iran

00:26:24.920 turn off some

00:26:25.880 of the energy

00:26:26.640 to the anti-western

00:26:28.020 protesters

00:26:28.500 let me say

00:26:31.120 yes and no

00:26:32.220 i think the

00:26:33.460 fall of

00:26:34.360 iran has

00:26:35.320 enormous

00:26:35.940 consequences

00:26:36.740 for the

00:26:37.620 middle east

00:26:38.080 and for

00:26:38.660 radical islam

00:26:39.680 the modern

00:26:40.740 era of the

00:26:41.480 middle east

00:26:41.860 began in

00:26:42.480 1979 with

00:26:43.840 the takeover

00:26:44.460 by ayatollah

00:26:45.280 khomeini

00:26:45.720 the collapse

00:26:47.000 of his regime

00:26:47.800 will end that

00:26:48.920 period and this

00:26:49.680 will have many

00:26:50.300 ramifications both

00:26:51.540 practical and

00:26:52.740 ideological

00:26:55.060 in muslim

00:26:57.240 majority countries

00:26:58.080 i would argue

00:26:59.100 that muslim

00:26:59.600 majority countries

00:27:00.380 have already for

00:27:01.340 15 years seen

00:27:02.480 a decline in

00:27:03.280 islamism as

00:27:04.560 indicated by

00:27:05.520 many many

00:27:06.440 polls and

00:27:08.940 votes

00:27:09.780 like

00:27:10.440 however in

00:27:11.780 the west

00:27:12.300 which is

00:27:12.860 what your

00:27:13.240 topic is

00:27:14.620 i don't see

00:27:15.660 that declining

00:27:16.220 i don't see

00:27:17.500 islamism declining

00:27:18.560 i don't see

00:27:19.260 the leftist

00:27:21.260 islamist alliance

00:27:22.560 declining

00:27:23.020 i don't see

00:27:24.040 the anti-semitism

00:27:24.980 declining

00:27:25.440 i don't think

00:27:26.340 iran is terribly

00:27:27.600 important in our

00:27:28.920 context

00:27:29.320 you mentioned

00:27:29.760 qatar

00:27:30.180 i would add

00:27:31.240 turkey

00:27:31.620 malaysia

00:27:32.780 pakistan

00:27:33.880 there are many

00:27:34.820 countries that are

00:27:35.540 still

00:27:35.940 fomenting

00:27:37.600 trouble

00:27:38.220 in the west

00:27:39.680 so

00:27:40.600 iran

00:27:41.460 is just one of

00:27:42.560 many here

00:27:43.080 in the west

00:27:44.020 it is however

00:27:44.940 very very important

00:27:45.960 and uniquely important

00:27:46.960 when it comes to

00:27:48.040 the middle east

00:27:48.540 and the broader

00:27:49.240 muslim majority

00:27:50.300 countries

00:27:50.880 do you think

00:27:54.040 that

00:27:54.360 peace with

00:27:55.460 israel

00:27:56.020 is possible

00:27:57.420 for iran

00:27:58.260 i think there

00:27:58.660 used to be a

00:27:59.320 warm friendship

00:27:59.920 there was a

00:28:00.480 there was a

00:28:01.120 pipeline

00:28:01.520 between the two

00:28:02.840 countries of oil

00:28:03.500 if i recall

00:28:04.140 is it possible

00:28:05.380 that iran

00:28:06.160 in in its new

00:28:08.100 future

00:28:08.560 can maybe join

00:28:10.000 the abraham

00:28:10.600 accords

00:28:10.980 or as

00:28:11.400 the shah's son 0.96

00:28:13.380 said

00:28:13.700 the cyrus

00:28:14.880 accords

00:28:15.500 named after

00:28:16.060 the great

00:28:17.020 persian king

00:28:18.500 who let the

00:28:19.000 jews go 1.00

00:28:19.580 a couple thousand

00:28:20.680 years ago

00:28:21.240 no pipeline

00:28:23.320 there was

00:28:24.280 a ship

00:28:25.380 born

00:28:25.920 oil

00:28:27.160 trade

00:28:28.020 with israel

00:28:28.660 yes it's

00:28:30.120 certainly possible

00:28:30.720 but the

00:28:31.300 great question

00:28:31.860 i had

00:28:32.100 for one

00:28:32.600 is will

00:28:33.140 there be

00:28:33.600 a single

00:28:34.160 authority

00:28:34.600 whether it

00:28:35.080 be the

00:28:35.440 current tusk

00:28:36.200 as you

00:28:36.520 called it

00:28:36.920 or the

00:28:38.280 reza patla

00:28:39.540 v overseen

00:28:40.660 interim government

00:28:41.460 or will there

00:28:42.540 on the other

00:28:42.880 hand be

00:28:43.500 anarchy

00:28:44.100 chaos

00:28:44.600 civil war

00:28:45.240 if it's

00:28:46.220 the former

00:28:46.800 then i can

00:28:48.280 see a

00:28:49.220 change in

00:28:49.740 relations with

00:28:50.400 israel that

00:28:51.000 even under

00:28:51.540 the current

00:28:52.140 regime

00:28:53.060 the toss

00:28:53.560 but even

00:28:55.340 more so

00:28:55.860 should be

00:28:57.020 replaced

00:28:57.560 but i worry

00:28:59.800 that the

00:29:00.700 chances are

00:29:01.340 more substantial

00:29:02.620 that the

00:29:04.060 country will

00:29:04.860 descend into

00:29:05.520 this let me

00:29:06.380 point out one

00:29:07.000 particular fact

00:29:07.760 that tends not

00:29:08.480 to get noticed

00:29:09.340 iran like 0.99

00:29:11.580 china like 0.91

00:29:12.740 russia is

00:29:14.120 an empire

00:29:14.640 we in the

00:29:15.920 west tend to

00:29:16.760 think of

00:29:17.080 empires as

00:29:17.980 the british the

00:29:18.980 french the

00:29:19.660 portuguese the

00:29:20.440 spanish as

00:29:21.700 overseas empires

00:29:22.960 way off in the

00:29:24.520 distance you know

00:29:25.380 but there are

00:29:26.680 also land

00:29:27.300 ethiopia would be 0.99

00:29:28.520 another one which

00:29:29.520 we tend not to

00:29:30.140 see because we

00:29:30.780 think of these as

00:29:31.820 countries but

00:29:32.980 they're not and

00:29:33.940 in the iranian case

00:29:34.960 about 50% of

00:29:37.100 the population

00:29:37.740 is persian

00:29:38.520 speaking

00:29:39.020 shiite

00:29:39.960 west of the

00:29:41.480 country is

00:29:42.260 turkish speaking

00:29:43.080 kurdish speaking

00:29:43.880 balut speaking

00:29:44.700 and so forth

00:29:45.440 and they don't

00:29:46.460 want to be part

00:29:46.980 of in large

00:29:47.840 part they don't

00:29:48.340 want to be

00:29:48.580 part of iran

00:29:49.200 so should there

00:29:50.380 be a chaotic

00:29:52.600 situation following

00:29:53.880 i can well

00:29:55.420 imagine that

00:29:56.180 kurs azariz

00:29:57.540 balut and

00:29:58.240 others will

00:29:58.920 say we

00:29:59.760 want to be

00:30:00.240 part of this

00:30:00.680 country we

00:30:01.240 want out

00:30:01.760 and that would

00:30:03.400 create even

00:30:04.440 chaos i'm

00:30:05.280 perfectly

00:30:05.580 sympathetic to

00:30:06.300 them but i

00:30:06.760 worry about

00:30:07.860 the chaos and

00:30:08.680 even the

00:30:09.420 potential civil

00:30:10.120 war or civil

00:30:11.040 wars that

00:30:12.040 will follow

00:30:12.540 last question

00:30:14.540 i know that

00:30:15.780 donald trump

00:30:16.380 really took the

00:30:18.000 abraham accord

00:30:18.660 seriously he

00:30:19.960 deputized his

00:30:20.760 own son-in-law

00:30:21.520 jared kushner to

00:30:23.020 be the point

00:30:23.440 person on that

00:30:24.080 file and

00:30:24.820 whatever you

00:30:25.180 think of the

00:30:25.540 details they

00:30:26.320 got it done

00:30:26.940 i think trump

00:30:27.800 felt really

00:30:28.300 motivated for

00:30:28.980 that he wanted

00:30:29.480 to do the

00:30:30.560 deal of the

00:30:31.020 century the

00:30:31.580 hardest deal

00:30:32.140 possible in

00:30:32.640 many ways he

00:30:33.720 did

00:30:34.020 does trump

00:30:36.660 have a guru

00:30:38.720 on iran he's

00:30:40.300 got negotiators

00:30:41.360 but he does

00:30:42.120 he have someone

00:30:42.780 with a real

00:30:43.280 vision for it

00:30:44.820 i i i imagine

00:30:46.480 that they always

00:30:47.900 hoped iran would

00:30:48.660 get weak but

00:30:49.180 it's happened

00:30:49.560 quite quickly

00:30:50.160 especially after

00:30:51.000 israel dispatched

00:30:52.540 hezbollah and

00:30:53.380 hamas and then

00:30:54.720 the 12-day war

00:30:55.600 who is whispering

00:30:57.260 in trump's ear

00:30:58.120 i wish i knew

00:30:59.060 it appears to

00:31:00.300 me that it

00:31:01.000 is amateurs

00:31:02.640 like whitkopf 1.00

00:31:04.600 and kushner

00:31:05.700 who are

00:31:06.440 doing this

00:31:07.400 uh

00:31:08.340 they're

00:31:09.000 i i do

00:31:11.560 not know of

00:31:12.100 any iran

00:31:12.640 specialist

00:31:13.200 who is

00:31:14.340 whispering

00:31:14.780 in trump's

00:31:15.800 ear

00:31:15.940 maybe i just

00:31:17.380 don't know

00:31:17.760 and maybe

00:31:18.100 there isn't

00:31:18.440 one

00:31:18.680 well by the

00:31:20.620 way if

00:31:21.200 if it was

00:31:21.740 the same

00:31:22.060 amateurs

00:31:22.380 who handled

00:31:22.840 venezuela i

00:31:23.500 think they're

00:31:23.760 doing a

00:31:24.080 pretty good

00:31:25.000 job maybe

00:31:25.500 maybe all

00:31:26.400 the professionals

00:31:26.980 on the iran

00:31:27.580 file are

00:31:28.340 of the obama

00:31:28.980 mindset

00:31:29.480 they're people

00:31:30.840 who thought

00:31:31.400 iran was the 0.99

00:31:32.780 future and

00:31:33.300 they should

00:31:33.700 yield to it

00:31:35.460 so i suppose

00:31:36.020 having amateurs

00:31:37.040 do it

00:31:37.640 in some ways

00:31:39.400 is probably

00:31:39.780 better than

00:31:40.200 the professional

00:31:41.520 iran industry

00:31:42.680 in washington

00:31:43.520 dc

00:31:43.980 maybe that's

00:31:44.900 a counterpoint

00:31:45.420 on that

00:31:45.720 what do you

00:31:45.980 think

00:31:46.240 there's a long

00:31:48.480 american tradition

00:31:49.260 going back to

00:31:49.980 the king crane

00:31:50.720 commission

00:31:51.820 after world war

00:31:53.540 one so a

00:31:54.480 century and

00:31:54.980 more

00:31:55.340 of looking

00:31:56.600 to amateurs

00:31:57.520 as being

00:31:59.000 more

00:32:00.020 capable

00:32:01.100 than experts

00:32:02.360 and while i

00:32:03.580 agree with you

00:32:04.200 experts have

00:32:05.380 made many

00:32:06.220 mistakes

00:32:06.860 i do get

00:32:08.160 nervous

00:32:08.600 when a real

00:32:09.920 estate mogul

00:32:10.680 like steve

00:32:11.260 whitkoff

00:32:11.840 becomes

00:32:13.020 the

00:32:13.900 key

00:32:15.760 player

00:32:16.660 in such

00:32:17.640 a complex

00:32:18.140 situation

00:32:18.720 as this

00:32:19.260 it's been

00:32:20.140 pretty good

00:32:20.500 the last few

00:32:21.080 weeks

00:32:21.340 i gotta

00:32:22.260 compliment

00:32:22.680 them

00:32:23.020 but i

00:32:23.480 am nervous

00:32:24.260 well

00:32:25.600 everyone's

00:32:26.200 nervous

00:32:26.580 the ayatollahs

00:32:28.060 i think

00:32:28.280 are the

00:32:28.440 most nervous

00:32:29.100 i think

00:32:30.040 the iranian

00:32:30.980 people

00:32:31.340 are nervous

00:32:32.440 the iranian

00:32:33.180 exiles

00:32:33.880 including here

00:32:34.500 in canada

00:32:35.000 are nervous

00:32:36.020 because it

00:32:36.560 is a

00:32:37.440 mighty and

00:32:38.040 massive

00:32:38.380 country

00:32:38.760 as you

00:32:39.040 say it's

00:32:39.320 an empire

00:32:39.800 it's a

00:32:40.620 historic

00:32:41.100 civilization

00:32:41.700 going back

00:32:42.080 thousands

00:32:42.440 of years

00:32:42.940 it's got

00:32:43.760 90 million

00:32:44.780 souls

00:32:45.280 like that

00:32:45.720 is a

00:32:46.020 large

00:32:46.600 country

00:32:47.400 it's not

00:32:47.880 like it's

00:32:48.880 four times as

00:32:49.620 big as

00:32:49.960 venezuela

00:32:50.440 like it is

00:32:51.020 enormous

00:32:51.440 and of course

00:32:52.580 there's oil

00:32:53.140 which is of

00:32:55.740 great value to

00:32:56.300 china russia and

00:32:57.140 others so i think

00:32:57.720 that we're in

00:32:58.040 momentous times

00:32:58.760 if you had to

00:32:59.920 if i pressed

00:33:01.140 you to say

00:33:02.940 you told me that

00:33:03.840 you thought that

00:33:04.500 there's a greater

00:33:05.100 than 50 percent

00:33:05.860 chance that the

00:33:07.380 ayatollahs would 1.00

00:33:08.040 fall that's quite a

00:33:09.000 statement if i had

00:33:10.500 to ask you when

00:33:11.460 and you had to

00:33:12.420 answer how soon

00:33:14.000 would you give

00:33:14.320 the regime

00:33:14.840 january

00:33:17.100 all right

00:33:19.380 well we'll find

00:33:19.980 out soon enough

00:33:20.740 listen great to

00:33:21.660 catch up with

00:33:22.220 you we're in

00:33:22.640 certainly a new

00:33:23.280 territory and

00:33:24.160 and the whole

00:33:25.700 world is riveted

00:33:26.400 by it even if

00:33:27.620 some of the

00:33:28.320 regime media

00:33:29.000 aren't reporting

00:33:29.560 it thanks so

00:33:30.300 much for joining

00:33:30.760 us today

00:33:31.180 thank you for

00:33:32.820 inviting me

00:33:33.380 ezra

00:33:33.700 it's our

00:33:34.240 pleasure dr

00:33:34.780 daniel pipes

00:33:35.360 is the founder

00:33:36.320 of the middle

00:33:37.380 east forum

00:33:37.940 stay with us

00:33:39.200 your letters

00:33:40.000 to me next

00:33:40.740 hey welcome

00:33:49.880 back your

00:33:50.360 letters to me

00:33:50.900 the first one

00:33:51.440 is about the

00:33:52.000 ban that the

00:33:53.260 uk is considering

00:33:54.200 for the social

00:33:54.860 media platform

00:33:55.500 x formerly

00:33:56.540 called twitter

00:33:57.300 uh prospector

00:33:58.780 james marshall

00:33:59.380 says ban x

00:34:00.440 but not tiktok

00:34:01.620 this literally

00:34:02.840 makes me laugh

00:34:03.620 out loud we are

00:34:04.240 fully infiltrated

00:34:05.020 by chinese

00:34:05.620 government you're

00:34:06.420 right you know

00:34:06.780 what i i

00:34:07.800 downloaded tiktok

00:34:08.820 on my phone a

00:34:09.400 few years ago

00:34:10.000 and then when

00:34:10.760 i heard about

00:34:11.240 all the spyware

00:34:12.140 and malware

00:34:12.620 that china was 1.00

00:34:13.240 spying on you

00:34:13.700 i deleted it

00:34:14.560 but then i

00:34:15.660 downloaded again

00:34:16.360 because it's just

00:34:16.980 such a culturally

00:34:17.740 important place

00:34:18.880 you can see

00:34:20.080 how the world

00:34:22.180 is infiltrating

00:34:24.040 the minds of

00:34:25.160 american and

00:34:25.900 canadian and

00:34:26.560 british kids

00:34:27.620 i want to be

00:34:28.540 on tiktok

00:34:29.180 because i want

00:34:29.920 to see what's

00:34:31.360 happening to

00:34:31.900 our teenagers

00:34:32.520 i see niagara

00:34:34.580 falls of anti-western

00:34:36.680 anti-jewish

00:34:37.560 anti-christian

00:34:38.820 anti-history

00:34:41.520 propaganda

00:34:42.580 just absolutely

00:34:43.980 destroying our

00:34:44.940 people

00:34:45.300 imagine

00:34:46.280 and that's

00:34:47.320 because it's a

00:34:48.300 chinese company

00:34:48.980 and they know

00:34:49.360 exactly what

00:34:50.060 they're doing

00:34:50.420 imagine taking

00:34:51.280 on x

00:34:51.840 owned by the

00:34:52.980 leading businessmen

00:34:54.140 in the united

00:34:54.500 states

00:34:54.900 chocky says

00:34:57.120 starmer that's

00:34:59.280 the prime minister

00:34:59.800 of the uk 0.86

00:35:00.220 tolerates rape 0.87

00:35:01.120 gangs grooming

00:35:01.960 gangs they're 0.97

00:35:03.100 ruining women and 1.00

00:35:03.720 children's lives

00:35:04.340 and he tolerates

00:35:05.020 that but he

00:35:05.400 cannot tolerate

00:35:06.180 an ai photo

00:35:07.040 of himself in

00:35:08.200 a bikini

00:35:08.620 his rant was

00:35:09.600 just too much

00:35:10.060 over the top

00:35:10.620 what's really

00:35:11.400 wrong is that

00:35:11.940 he doesn't want

00:35:12.500 the people to

00:35:13.040 know what's

00:35:13.420 going on on

00:35:13.960 the outside

00:35:14.360 world

00:35:14.680 yeah you know

00:35:15.740 i actually

00:35:16.120 haven't seen

00:35:16.580 anyone use

00:35:17.560 ai to put me

00:35:18.520 in a bikini

00:35:19.260 and i would

00:35:20.120 probably be

00:35:20.880 embarrassed

00:35:21.740 by it

00:35:23.420 there's no

00:35:24.120 doubt about

00:35:24.640 it but i

00:35:25.620 think the key

00:35:26.080 point is

00:35:26.620 every ai

00:35:27.760 system can

00:35:28.780 do that

00:35:29.140 that's the

00:35:29.600 power of

00:35:30.520 ai it's

00:35:31.180 terrifying

00:35:31.880 soon you'll

00:35:33.140 be able to

00:35:33.540 make videos

00:35:34.180 of you can

00:35:35.020 pretty much

00:35:35.520 right now

00:35:36.100 make videos

00:35:37.240 that look like

00:35:38.320 someone saying

00:35:39.140 and doing

00:35:39.480 something terrible

00:35:40.240 and you know

00:35:41.460 it's very hard

00:35:42.380 to tell the

00:35:42.840 difference between

00:35:43.580 that and a

00:35:44.040 deep fake but

00:35:44.680 going after only

00:35:46.380 x or elon

00:35:47.560 musk sort of

00:35:48.020 gives the game

00:35:48.400 away doesn't

00:35:48.800 it

00:35:49.000 engine kid said

00:35:51.120 ezra please do

00:35:52.400 a segment about

00:35:53.000 scott adams who

00:35:53.840 died this morning

00:35:54.500 he was a hero to

00:35:55.580 so many he was

00:35:56.320 outspoken against

00:35:57.080 the woke agenda

00:35:57.780 and he was

00:35:58.500 canceled because

00:35:59.080 of his words

00:35:59.720 he was inspirational

00:36:00.900 and an artist

00:36:01.640 author lecturer

00:36:02.600 hypnotist comedian

00:36:03.880 teacher podcaster

00:36:04.980 writer and

00:36:05.940 author you're

00:36:07.660 so right and

00:36:08.360 i'm i wasn't a

00:36:09.680 regular follower

00:36:10.640 of his but

00:36:11.140 every once in a

00:36:11.780 while i would

00:36:12.340 read something

00:36:13.040 and i thought

00:36:13.720 oh my gosh

00:36:14.540 that is such a

00:36:15.220 unique way of

00:36:16.180 looking at the

00:36:16.720 world i remember

00:36:17.940 following him when

00:36:19.220 donald trump in

00:36:20.000 his first term

00:36:20.600 was reaching out

00:36:22.180 to kim jong-un

00:36:23.480 of north korea

00:36:25.020 and he made a

00:36:25.980 video for kim

00:36:27.100 jong-un and

00:36:27.980 and scott adams

00:36:29.520 uh took you

00:36:31.200 through it sort

00:36:31.880 of section by

00:36:32.840 section showing

00:36:33.460 why it was so

00:36:34.100 persuasive and

00:36:35.740 scott adams was

00:36:36.360 very thoughtful

00:36:37.320 in how he

00:36:37.840 analyzed political

00:36:38.660 influence and

00:36:39.540 persuasion i found

00:36:40.960 him very useful

00:36:42.300 and he was

00:36:42.680 politically incorrect

00:36:43.400 and they they

00:36:44.260 tried to destroy

00:36:44.960 him for that i

00:36:46.920 think he was all

00:36:47.760 those things you

00:36:48.360 listed and i

00:36:49.580 never had the

00:36:50.000 chance to meet

00:36:50.500 him but i was

00:36:51.120 like you a bit

00:36:52.480 of a fan so

00:36:53.320 thank you for

00:36:53.880 remembering him

00:36:54.540 well that's our

00:36:55.900 show for the

00:36:56.240 day until

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Rebel News Podcast - January 13, 2026

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Will the people’s revolution bring down Iran’s Ayatollahs？

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