Rebel News Podcast - Holding politicians to account for the working men and women of “Ruffneck Nation” (Guest： Bernard Hancock)

00:00:00.000 The pro-pipeline convoys have spread to Regina and I'm talking to someone today who was on the ground

00:00:06.540 to see it all firsthand. Joining me today is Rebel fan favorite Bernard Hancock and he is

00:00:13.960 firing on all cylinders. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:30.000 As you know over Christmas break and leading up to the Christmas break I was covering the pro-pipeline

00:00:43.420 truckers convoys across Alberta and I was also covering the yellow vest protests that popped up

00:00:49.280 in support of those convoys. I spoke to truckers, I spoke to protesters, I froze in the cold but more

00:00:57.200 importantly I was there to tell the other side of the story and yesterday one of these convoys

00:01:04.020 converged on the legislature in Regina and then I saw that a familiar face was going to be there.

00:01:10.500 Now you might know him as Bernard the Roughneck from some viral rebel videos but his real name is

00:01:18.060 Bernard Hancock. He famously took apart the anti-oil and gas rhetoric at a protest in Vancouver a few

00:01:25.040 years ago and then he hand-delivered nearly 35,000 signatures in support of oil and gas exploration

00:01:31.660 and pipelines in the form of an e-petition to the House of Commons and he did it all in his coveralls.

00:01:39.160 When I saw Bernard was going to be at that protest in Regina I wanted to hear how it went from him

00:01:45.620 and I wanted to pick Bernard's brain about a thousand other things that are happening in the

00:01:50.740 news right now with regard to politics, with regard to oil and gas, to protests, to convoys. Bernard's

00:01:57.440 got a lot to say and I'm giving him a place to say it. So joining me tonight in an interview

00:02:02.740 we recorded yesterday from somewhere on the road between Regina and Kindersley is Bernard Hancock.

00:02:10.600 So joining me now is somebody that I think we are all big big fans of. You might know him as Bernard

00:02:34.380 the Roughneck. He's joining me on the road from Saskatchewan. Bernard how are you doing and what

00:02:40.080 were you up to today? We were at the Saskatchewan legislature. We had a rally in support of

00:02:47.880 pipelines and it was attended actually by quite a few Saskatchewan politicians and I heard it was

00:02:54.600 going down and I just had to be there. I had never been to the legislature in Regina so we had a good

00:02:58.520 rally. Yeah, happened this morning. You know I'm really excited to hear that our two provinces are

00:03:05.360 fighting the federal government's pipeline prohibition together. Over the Christmas break I was

00:03:12.080 at a pipeline convoy in Lloydminster and it was purposeful. They started it in Saskatchewan,

00:03:18.040 they drove it over to Alberta and they drove it back and it was to symbolize that despite what

00:03:22.740 Alberta's government has to say about fighting the feds, the people are fighting against the federal

00:03:29.200 government and for pipelines and I thought that was really great. Why don't you tell us a little bit

00:03:33.440 about what went down at the rally today? Well, no, I think what you just made a mention of that's a

00:03:40.360 really important point because the problems we're dealing with getting our resources to market are

00:03:44.300 political problems but it's not politics that's going to solve the problem. I think it's working

00:03:49.120 people like you, me and all the people watching right now at home getting involved in these things

00:03:53.620 but yeah, it was an eventful rally to say the least. Unfortunately, I wasn't even able to say what I

00:03:59.540 wanted to say because there was one protester there and she got really ugly and she was just

00:04:05.360 screaming in people's faces and but I like that guy Scott Moe. It was almost like he'd put some

00:04:11.620 imaginary earplugs in and he just totally ignored her and gave an excellent speech but me, Sheila,

00:04:18.180 I can't walk and chew gum at the same time and if someone's screaming into my ear, it's very difficult

00:04:22.800 to organize my thoughts to speak to the people but it was a good rally and you know something that

00:04:28.180 really warmed my heart was I seen both the Ironworkers Union and the United Steelworkers

00:04:34.300 Union. They showed up and that's something amazing because it's not just riggers that are showing up

00:04:39.420 you know in support of these things, it's not just oil field trucking, it's all Canadians. Like

00:04:43.700 right now I'm driving, we just drove past Lumsden, Saskatchewan and outside of Regina is the

00:04:48.640 Everaz plant where the United Steelworkers have a lot of guys working. That's where all the pipe

00:04:53.480 for Trans Mountain is going to be manufactured, right? These guys have an interest in it too.

00:04:59.680 There were many people there and it was 30 below so all those cosplay anarchist hippie dorks,

00:05:06.580 they're all home in their mom's basement. They didn't have time to show up today because it's too

00:05:09.660 cold. There was one person that showed up but she was extremely loud and extremely rude and 1.00

00:05:16.400 unfortunately I think the media is probably going to make her the center of the story. 1.00

00:05:20.660 You know you raise a very interesting point. The United Steelworkers were there in force

00:05:26.800 because I think the union leadership very seldom represents the blue-collar guys who are actually

00:05:34.560 working in the factories to build that pipe. The union leadership often supports anti-resource

00:05:41.560 development attitudes and parties whereas the guys on the ground that flies directly in the face of

00:05:48.160 what they're trying to do. So like you it warms my heart to see those guys there. When I was in

00:05:53.380 Nisku at the truck convoy I also saw a pretty heavy union contingent there supporting the truckers so

00:06:00.000 you know it's great to see these guys turn out. Definitely and I mean like that's why guys got to go to

00:06:05.480 CLAC, the SCAB union because if they go to their legitimate union there just isn't the work on the

00:06:10.760 board you know and then when they see someone like say Gil McGowan who goes before the National Energy

00:06:16.160 Board submitting things in opposition to pipelines but of course now that Ms. Knott leaves in support of

00:06:23.260 pipelines that guy changes his tune man. They're not fooling anyone but the workers on the ground

00:06:28.300 they're feeling it just like everyone else. Pipe fitters, steam fitters, electricians,

00:06:33.840 boiler makers, clatters, millwrights, plumbers, all these guys they want to work same as us and oil and

00:06:41.180 gas is what runs Canada and in particular western Canada. So yeah I was really impressed that such a

00:06:49.140 strong union contingent showed out and that's going to be key for working-class people to retake our spot 0.99

00:06:54.340 and make sure that politicians are working for us and not the other way around like it currently

00:06:58.180 stands. You know it's funny now that you're talking about the union guys showing up it sort of reminds

00:07:02.920 me of what we saw with the election of Donald Trump where those union heavy states the blue collar union

00:07:08.560 heavy states where Hillary Clinton didn't campaign because she thought that she had those votes in 0.75

00:07:13.400 the bag they shifted over to Trump because blue collar people vote for jobs doesn't matter what union they 0.93

00:07:21.400 belong to. Now I wanted to ask you about this one random screamer and yeller that you you're telling us

00:07:29.300 about at the rally. She was basically trying to de-platform people by being obnoxious is that right? 1.00

00:07:37.200 Yeah it was I don't know it was just it's so rude and I said and it was funny because I said like

00:07:48.520 all this I just looked at her and I was like you're like school on a Sunday no class and I just like

00:07:54.120 shook my that's actually I said that during the speech and Trent Weatherspoon from the NDP was like

00:07:58.760 hey come on hey and he's he actually stood up for this lady and interrupted me when I was trying to

00:08:03.020 talk and I wasn't able to speak because I was so mad she flustered me and like I said I can't speak

00:08:07.820 when someone's screaming in my ear and the other thing is the reason why she's so mad is Premier Moe 0.56

00:08:13.500 I guess is signing agreements with the chief of her band to for the potash industry to open up

00:08:19.540 development where she is and I guess that was her big concern but if it wasn't potash if it wasn't 0.94

00:08:25.280 pipelines it would be something else. These are people who want to tear things down and break stuff

00:08:30.440 and complain they don't build things because it's a lot easier to bitch and complain about something 1.00

00:08:34.660 than it is to come up with a better idea or offer a better path for us to pursue or actually even enter

00:08:40.000 into a discussion where both sides could come to some sort of a compromise so I think the best way to

00:08:45.360 deal with those people is just to ignore them and do whatever measures you can take to prevent them

00:08:51.840 from trying to hijack it like they did today but it wasn't hijacked because like I think a lot of people

00:08:56.660 were able to get off good things. Denise Batters was there. I love her. Senator Denise. Oh yeah she's a 0.93

00:09:02.100 beauty. She was talking. You know it was really good. I was proud that people are willing to come

00:09:09.640 out when it's 30 below out and stand there in the cold. Brandt. Man you know the guys who make who have

00:09:14.760 all the heavy equipment? Brandt. They were there. They showed out. Yeah it was really good. I got to meet

00:09:20.880 some good people. I love flatlanders. You know me. I worked a little bit in Saskatchewan you know where

00:09:25.780 the cows are fatter and the land is flatter but I like coming out to Saskatchewan and it's been so

00:09:30.840 long since I've been here. So yeah I'm really happy I came even though it was kind of a gong show 0.96

00:09:34.580 and yeah it's just about building momentum at this point for the convoy going to Ottawa.

00:09:40.780 The pipeline convoy going to Ottawa next month. Now I wanted to ask you a little bit about that.

00:09:47.940 Do you think that bringing that pipeline to Ottawa is going to change anything or does that matter?

00:09:58.100 I mean even if Justin Trudeau for me even if Justin Trudeau doesn't change his mind about this sort of

00:10:03.600 stuff and take action at least we stood up and tried to do something. Well I think the bigger issue

00:10:09.960 is because you know all those rallies that happened Nisku, Grand Prairie, Lloyd, Lethbridge,

00:10:16.320 Red Deer, Calgary, Edmonton, Cold Lake, Bonneville, Slave Lake last Sunday. They don't care out east.

00:10:25.700 Maybe like the biggest one on Nisku maybe makes like 10 to 15 seconds in the Toronto news.

00:10:30.760 Yeah. But if you come to Toronto and you shut down the 401 you'll get five minutes of national airtime.

00:10:36.960 If you go to Ottawa and you stand a rig on Parliament Hill that will make national news.

00:10:41.900 And I think it's really important because I think I mean not saying that they're bought and paid off

00:10:47.940 but at the same time you know like you have to bring it right to their doorstep and make it

00:10:52.840 so they have to report on you. And Trudeau he doesn't care about oil and the oil and gas industry

00:10:58.640 and really nothing's going to make him change his mind other than the prospect of losing an election.

00:11:03.540 And for us the key is to go to all Canadians because we're all Canadian.

00:11:08.420 We all believe that people have the right to dignity of a job to go to that pays them a decent wage.

00:11:13.860 Everyone wants to work hard and you know improve their lives.

00:11:16.720 So I think people in like you say in Ontario, in Manitoba and in Quebec and in the Maritimes

00:11:22.060 need to see that this is a crisis and it actually it's an existential issue for this country

00:11:28.920 and for Confederation. So I I just it will make a difference.

00:11:34.800 I think it'll turn people against Mr. Trudeau and I hope they can see how callous and I think

00:11:40.420 what a mendacious thought he is because it's just unacceptable.

00:11:44.080 And you know I respect his father in a way.

00:11:47.160 His father is very bad for Western Canada.

00:11:49.120 When his father said he was going to do something he did it.

00:11:52.520 And his father didn't hide his feelings for Western Canada.

00:11:54.760 You remember the Salmon Arm Salute giving the middle finger to people in Salmon Arm BC.

00:11:59.880 At least Pierre had the guts to give us a middle finger whereas Justin comes out and smiles in our face

00:12:05.340 while he drives a knife deeper into our back.

00:12:08.000 But I want to tell everyone when we go out to Ottawa we also have to remember that Ottawa is in Alberta

00:12:14.320 and we have to represent ourselves in a very legitimate manner and be respectful

00:12:18.760 and be well-spoken and kind of mitigate the people in the fringes that could hijack this

00:12:24.660 and make it about other things.

00:12:26.040 Because like really I care about borders.

00:12:28.540 I care about you know our relationship with the UN.

00:12:31.900 Like these are important issues.

00:12:33.700 But that's not the time or the place Sheila.

00:12:35.720 This is about pipelines.

00:12:37.220 And we have to get people who might even be liberal.

00:12:39.920 Who might even be union guys who normally vote NDP who are waking up.

00:12:43.660 Who are going to vote conservative parties or parties that give them a job to go to.

00:12:47.460 But if we bring and we represent ourselves as a bunch of kooks or a bunch of rednecks

00:12:52.460 they will never listen to us.

00:12:54.840 So we really need to be careful when we go out there and represent ourselves right.

00:12:59.260 You know I do agree that there does need to be a unified message.

00:13:03.880 I'm just always cognizant of doing the mainstream media and the liberals work for them

00:13:10.080 by discrediting good people.

00:13:12.260 And I know there are a lot of good people who are both in the yellow vest movement 0.70

00:13:17.580 and of course with Canada Action and Rally for Resources.

00:13:21.600 And I do think they need to be one message when they show up on Ottawa's doorstep.

00:13:27.600 But I'm always resistant to painting.

00:13:31.980 Using the fringe to taint the hole.

00:13:35.140 I really, I just reject that as much as I possibly can.

00:13:40.200 And you made a really good point.

00:13:42.120 This isn't about the people in Quebec or the people in Ontario or the people in the East.

00:13:48.620 I generally think the people are with us.

00:13:51.280 They, like you pointed out, they know the dignity of a job.

00:13:56.340 And what the people in Alberta are really being robbed of by federal government in action.

00:14:02.280 It's really a stone wall that's coming out of Ottawa.

00:14:06.760 And I think that dividing us from our friends in the rest of the country really serves no purpose whatsoever.

00:14:13.920 It actually plays right into the liberal hands.

00:14:16.840 No, but Sheila, I mean you're speaking to the Rebels audience, right?

00:14:21.960 Yeah.

00:14:22.220 But like we're talking about an audience of people who believe the mainstream media.

00:14:27.260 That's true.

00:14:27.840 And like don't hate the player, hate the game.

00:14:29.860 Absolutely.

00:14:30.300 The other thing is like, why don't we wear coveralls instead of a yellow vest?

00:14:34.680 We don't wear yellow vests in the oil patch.

00:14:36.620 And I just wish they would come up with a better symbol.

00:14:39.460 They wouldn't just steal the symbol from the gilet jaune and totally misrepresent what that's about.

00:14:44.720 Because if people from France came here and seen the type of people wearing yellow vests, they wouldn't be down with that.

00:14:50.080 And there's always people who want to piggyback on something people like myself have worked very hard for.

00:14:54.940 Like I get it.

00:14:55.640 The issues yellow vests are bringing up are important, but the most important issue is the pipeline. 0.99

00:15:00.960 And we can't risk that by talking about Soros or talking about treason or talking about the UN.

00:15:07.980 Like it has to be focused.

00:15:09.760 And we try to deal with the yellow vests.

00:15:11.440 But these people, they're just so singular minded and they won't listen.

00:15:15.700 They just won't listen.

00:15:16.920 So, like, I get it.

00:15:18.960 There's nothing wrong with the yellow vests.

00:15:20.540 Wear the yellow vests if you like that.

00:15:22.080 But it'd be a lot more cool if you come up with your own original symbol, like a hard hat or like, you know, a pair of coveralls.

00:15:30.220 Yeah.

00:15:30.420 Like, come up with your own symbol.

00:15:32.120 Don't bite other people's styles.

00:15:34.120 You know?

00:15:34.880 But, yeah, no, I get what you're saying.

00:15:37.640 Don't just, like, play the media's game.

00:15:40.440 Like, I'm not, they're not racist.

00:15:42.240 I'm not saying they're racist.

00:15:43.840 I'm saying they're people who are, in terms politically, they're green.

00:15:49.460 They don't understand.

00:15:51.340 And they're going to be the foil that Justin Trudeau needs to justify himself.

00:15:57.100 Whereas if we don't allow our movement to be tainted by people who are going to say offensive things or, like, represent themselves in extreme ways to turn off Canadians, then Justin Trudeau has, because he says he supports the pipelines, right?

00:16:10.960 So, I get it, Sheila.

00:16:13.300 It's not fair.

00:16:14.400 But I don't care about what's fair, because my buddy, Brad the Roughneck, he only has worked six days in the last seven weeks.

00:16:21.960 Yeah.

00:16:22.120 So, I don't care about Soros right now.

00:16:24.240 We need pipelines, and we need people to turn against Justin Trudeau and elect a competent government.

00:16:29.220 And so, I'm sorry I've got to be a dick, but, like, I don't want yellow vest stuff. 1.00

00:16:34.500 This is pipelines.

00:16:35.380 This is the work that we've done for two or three years now.

00:16:38.080 You know, we just, I normally wade into these protests to talk to the yellow vest people just to see what they have to say.

00:16:45.600 And I think it's really important for you to be saying these things, because I think people need to see the balance.

00:16:52.060 And that's what we try to do here at The Rebel is take, you know, if you want to talk to us and tell us your point of view, we're more than happy to listen.

00:16:59.420 And I'd gladly give a platform to anybody who's willing to articulately express exactly what they want to say.

00:17:07.560 So, I'm glad that you clarified that for me.

00:17:10.660 Now, I just heard that you moved to Grand Prairie.

00:17:13.940 What's it like in Grand Prairie?

00:17:15.640 It's been hit pretty hard, hey?

00:17:17.300 Oh, it's brutal.

00:17:18.580 Yeah.

00:17:18.860 Like, I work on service rigs, and, you know, that's probably the type of industry that's been hit the hardest.

00:17:25.940 Because oil companies, they don't want to spend money to bring big iron out there. 1.00

00:17:29.400 They'd rather get a swab rig or a coil tubing rig or a rod rig or something smaller that's cheaper with less guys.

00:17:35.180 And then if the scope of the job changes, get something else.

00:17:38.680 It's really bad.

00:17:39.640 And it's even worse than it was in 2016, because what seemed to have happened in Grand Prairie, 2016 was bad.

00:17:45.640 So, everyone left Alberta, went home wherever they came from.

00:17:48.600 Then we had a labor shortage when things picked up a little bit in 2017.

00:17:52.320 And they were crying for guys.

00:17:54.120 But the oil companies and CAODC wouldn't raise our rates.

00:17:57.380 So, I was making, like, you know, $6, $7 less than I was making in 2014.

00:18:01.660 So, they couldn't find enough people to come back.

00:18:03.200 Finally, they raised the rates, guys start coming back, and then all this stuff with the differential and the political issues and Trans Mountain basically being a dog's breakfast, that happened.

00:18:14.880 And now all these guys have come back, and the work's gone.

00:18:18.300 And Grand Prairie, we need political representation that's going to stick up, first and foremost, for people who are working-class people in the field.

00:18:25.660 Not the guys, you know, who are, like, in the office, in the boardroom, the people who are getting dividends off their shares.

00:18:32.860 We need people, number one, putting guys in the field, you know, the forgotten man, guys like me.

00:18:38.000 We need people, we need representatives who stand up for those people, first and foremost.

00:18:42.440 You know, and Grand Prairie's getting it coming and going, because not only, you know, do they serve as a service hub for oil and gas in Alberta,

00:18:50.840 but they also provide services to northern BC, and they are having such a battle right now to get their LNG off the ground there.

00:19:02.400 It's really, outside of, you know, the office towers in Calgary, I think these small towns and service hubs all across the prairies are really getting forgotten about.

00:19:13.920 Yeah, I'd say that's definitely true.

00:19:17.900 And this is, like, you know, why it's so galling when I see Miss Notley on Twitter bragging about how she's made however many jobs, you know, like.

00:19:28.020 Yeah.

00:19:29.400 Sure, you can have a statistic that says you made these jobs, but if last month 10 frackers lost their jobs, guys who make $100,000 a year,

00:19:36.660 and this month you gave 10 new jobs to new Canadians at Walmart, you're still on balance way better off, or pardon me, way worse off.

00:19:46.520 Yeah.

00:19:46.700 You know, just because one job replaces another, well, what type of job was it?

00:19:50.020 What economic sector is it?

00:19:51.920 How much tax revenue is that contributing to the Treasury? 0.82

00:19:55.480 You know, like, are these good jobs that are career jobs?

00:19:57.880 Are these, you know, jobs that people move on for, say, young people, seniors, part-time work?

00:20:02.860 Like, and just politicians in general, even the ones that are fighting for us, those guys still make six figures,

00:20:10.240 and those guys still get a fat check every two weeks and full benefits, and it's just, like, I don't know.

00:20:17.300 It's extremely frustrating because, like, like I said earlier, like, the problem is politics, but the solution is not politics.

00:20:24.760 And politicians, I even think they're using this issue in a way to get votes.

00:20:30.740 I mean, both sides do it.

00:20:32.040 I mean, that's natural for politics.

00:20:33.840 But people are hurting, Sheila.

00:20:35.920 They're really hurting, and especially in the small towns, and we don't have the media to cover it.

00:20:41.600 So that's why I like coming on and talking to you guys, and like you said before, you talk to anyone, I'll talk to anyone.

00:20:47.040 And say if I got some great job, I'm not going to say, oh, I'm embarrassed to come on the Rebel now.

00:20:52.360 You know, I used you guys when I needed you to get people behind me, but now that I'm, like, running in the general election,

00:20:57.800 I don't want to talk to you, like, man, come on.

00:21:02.600 You know, I love you for that, Bernard.

00:21:05.600 I wanted to ask you, what's Roughneck Nation, and how do I become a citizen? 0.98

00:21:11.620 Oh, that's in the works.

00:21:13.360 First of all, it's a hashtag R-U-F-F.

00:21:16.620 The real spelling was already taken, but R-U-F-F, Roughneck Nation.

00:21:20.860 And I got the idea, kind of, from Rob Ford, who's probably the man I hold in the highest esteem of any sort of politician I've ever known.

00:21:30.100 Because this is a guy who's a populist, and this is a guy, his strongest voter demographic is low-income people in social housing in inner-city Toronto.

00:21:39.960 These are people who normally vote NDP liberal.

00:21:42.440 Why did they vote for Rob Ford, who you would classify as populist, centre-right conservative?

00:21:46.500 Because he gave a damn about them, because he returned their calls, because he fought for the issues, like, cleaning up drug dealers in the neighbourhood,

00:21:55.040 or making sure garbage collection was done.

00:21:56.960 Like, pedestrian issues that matter. 1.00

00:21:59.700 Like, and so that's why I want to, I want to take kind of that non-partisan, like, yes, it's conservative at its base,

00:22:06.440 but I want, I also want something for people who, because guys on the rigs, man, they don't care, but they get home from work.

00:22:10.960 If their kids are still up, they want to play with their kids.

00:22:14.080 They want to kiss their wife and sit down and talk with their wife about how their day went, you know?

00:22:17.880 Like, they don't want to get on the internet or on Twitter, like, political nerds like you and me.

00:22:22.380 You know, they're not political people.

00:22:24.740 So you have to give them a reason to buy in and want to get politically involved.

00:22:29.280 And if you can create a massive movement of people where they can be directed to either vote for or against certain issues and advocate for things,

00:22:36.880 you can make a lot of effective change.

00:22:39.180 Because if I say a conservative nation, well, immediately you've lost 60% of the people you could possibly appeal to.

00:22:46.660 Like, I take an issue like in Grand Prairie, photo radar.

00:22:49.800 How many people in Alberta like photo radar?

00:22:52.080 I don't care if you're a communist.

00:22:53.860 Everyone hates photo radar.

00:22:55.680 And I remember Angela Pitt, who's the MLA for Airdrie, when she was shadow justice critic there,

00:23:01.700 they wanted to table legislation that amended how Alberta regulated photo radar in municipalities, right?

00:23:08.440 Because it's being abused.

00:23:10.360 I want to see if she still wants to table that when, you know, the UCP forms government in a few months.

00:23:17.300 Yeah.

00:23:17.640 Because, I mean, we're broke.

00:23:19.560 We're going to need revenues somewhere.

00:23:21.240 But it's not fair to gouge people when you say, oh, it's about safety.

00:23:25.440 But it's not about safety.

00:23:26.520 It's about gouging people.

00:23:27.560 Well, this is an issue.

00:23:28.900 If you have a political network of people that can really push politicians and put pressure on them,

00:23:36.460 then maybe we can do something about this.

00:23:39.080 You know what I mean?

00:23:40.020 But if you just trust what a politician's going to tell you when they're appealing to their base,

00:23:44.340 not when they're actually in power or when they need to win the general election,

00:23:47.560 you're not going to get anywhere.

00:23:49.100 So that's what I want to do with Roughneck Nation. 1.00

00:23:51.640 I'm going to get, I'm right building a website right now.

00:23:54.320 I just sent my order off for my hard hat stickers.

00:23:56.800 We're going to make t-shirts.

00:23:59.100 I'm going to start up a YouTube channel.

00:24:01.780 I'm going to write blog posts.

00:24:03.640 We're going to have pictures from the rigs that people can share and from the oil patch

00:24:07.140 so people can show what they're proud of, what they do crazy stuff when they're working on the rigs.

00:24:11.960 You know, like, I want people, it's like, I go home to my family in Vancouver and I say, hey,

00:24:17.480 like, yeah, someone's like, hey, what do you do at work?

00:24:19.940 What is rigging?

00:24:21.320 Have you ever tried explaining what a service rig does to someone in Vancouver?

00:24:25.200 Like, I'd like to, like, get some respect because people who are working on the oil

00:24:29.580 and gas industry, we're the 21st century cowboys.

00:24:32.460 We're hard as nails and we're the salt of the earth.

00:24:34.920 And yet no one pays attention to us and we get soaked by the government.

00:24:38.800 So I want to create a movement where, you know what?

00:24:41.720 I don't care if you're a conservative.

00:24:43.400 You're not going to do what we say.

00:24:44.740 We're going to vote for someone else and we're going to kick you out of office.

00:24:46.840 That's the only way politicians change is when they're worried about losing their job

00:24:50.900 or they're desperate for your vote.

00:24:52.860 And I'll tell you something, me, if I ever do get into politics, one day they'll make

00:24:58.580 lots of accusations about me and some of them might even be true.

00:25:01.580 You know, I'm a little rough around the edges.

00:25:03.100 But the one thing they'll never be able to say about me is I'm corrupt or that I need

00:25:09.280 your vote.

00:25:10.060 I don't need anything from anyone.

00:25:12.940 I just have things that I want and things that I think would make our society a better

00:25:17.360 place with limited government, low taxes, responsive public service, good health care,

00:25:22.300 good schools, good roads.

00:25:24.200 But man, it's like if you vote NDP, it's big unions.

00:25:28.280 And if you vote UCP, it's big corporate boardrooms.

00:25:31.260 It institutes production cuts during a really bad recession.

00:25:34.620 And again, it's guys in the patch that take it and get Rochambeau.

00:25:38.140 But you know what?

00:25:39.140 It's like that's coming to an end because working class people in this country, something's 1.00

00:25:43.620 happening right now.

00:25:44.440 And that's why I just thought, like, I want something nonpartisan.

00:25:47.280 I want to bring people together.

00:25:48.300 And I don't care if you're NDP, if you're UCP, Alberta Party, you know, like even a federal

00:25:54.400 liberal, there's good liberals out there.

00:25:55.840 Look at Martha Hall-Findley.

00:25:57.460 Sure.

00:25:58.280 Yeah.

00:25:58.720 So let's stop these labels and let's talk about what we're for rather than being like

00:26:04.660 that irate protester screaming what you're against.

00:26:07.840 Let's be smart.

00:26:10.500 You know, I think that's that's fantastic.

00:26:12.960 And I think I've also probably taken up enough of your time on the road and I'm probably going

00:26:18.000 to nail you with a whopping phone bill for being on Skype.

00:26:21.740 I don't care.

00:26:22.540 I got 10 gigs.

00:26:23.480 As soon as I had that 10 gig deal come out for like 70 bucks, I was all over like all

00:26:28.300 over that.

00:26:29.140 But we're just about you.

00:26:30.460 We're just coming into Chamberlain, Saskatchewan.

00:26:33.980 I'm on my way back to on my way back to Medicine Hat and Brooks and then we're going back up

00:26:39.980 through Edmonton and I'll be back in Grand Prairie at the end of the week.

00:26:43.180 But straight up, just keep your eyes open.

00:26:45.020 And I know you'll be there to help us out to get.

00:26:47.100 But I mean, Sheila, I'll talk to the I've talked to the National Observer.

00:26:51.020 I've talked to BBC Canada, Global CTV, even like small bloggers.

00:26:55.920 I'll talk to anyone because this problem right now is so bad.

00:26:59.800 I don't care.

00:27:00.860 A hundred percent of the Rebels audience is pro oil.

00:27:03.880 And so I don't care if what people are going to say about me.

00:27:06.820 And that's what your audience needs to do.

00:27:08.340 Stop caring what they say about you.

00:27:10.720 Do what you know is right.

00:27:11.720 And yeah, keep your faith because I think things are going to get better.

00:27:15.960 I think things are on the up and ups.

00:27:17.800 They've just let a genie out of a bottle and they're not going to be able to get it back in.

00:27:21.640 You know, that is a fantastic spot to leave the interview.

00:27:25.660 But Bernard, promise me the second your YouTube page is up, I want to be the first subscriber.

00:27:31.440 The second you have T-shirts available, I want the first T-shirt.

00:27:35.480 The second you have hard hat stickers, I want a hundred of them.

00:27:39.440 Promise me right now.

00:27:40.340 Oh, you have my word.

00:27:42.540 I'll come down there.

00:27:43.700 I'll come down there and hook you up fat. 0.99

00:27:46.020 I'll get you hooked up with the swag.

00:27:48.100 You betcha.

00:27:49.100 Okay, Bernard, please take care of yourself.

00:27:52.020 And I'm going to check in with you periodically because I feel like you have found your passion.

00:27:57.540 And everybody here at the Rebel, and I know our viewers at home, we're just cheering for you.

00:28:02.080 So I want to thank you very much.

00:28:03.120 Well, I want to say hi to my father.

00:28:04.120 My dad watches the Rebel.

00:28:05.600 So my dad, Rick.

00:28:07.280 Hey, dad, how's it going down there in South Surrey?

00:28:09.300 Great.

00:28:11.880 Okay, thanks, Bernard.

00:28:13.040 You have a great rest of your day and safe travels home.

00:28:16.340 You too, Sheila.

00:28:17.060 God bless.

00:28:17.800 Thanks.

00:28:18.160 You know, it's always such a pleasure to talk to Bernard.

00:28:33.940 He's so scrappy and honest and authentic, and he isn't afraid to tell it exactly the way he sees it.

00:28:41.800 His passion is real, and he's taken a lot of punches and attacks from the left and the mainstream media to advocate for Canada's oil and gas sector.

00:28:50.620 Now, I'm one of those people who thinks that the yellow vest protesters should be able to take their concerns to Ottawa whenever they feel like it's a free country, at least for now. 0.63

00:29:02.060 And the way the yellow vests were able to fundraise so much money so fast only speaks to how much their issues are resonating with a large portion of Canadians, despite what the mainstream media is trying to say.

00:29:15.300 And let me be clear, if death threats against the prime minister are showing up on yellow vest Facebook pages, that's terrible, but it's only an indictment of the person who wrote it, and not the other thousands of people involved in their movement.

00:29:32.000 And political violence, of course, is a form of tyranny.

00:29:35.600 I know, I've experienced it firsthand.

00:29:38.740 Now, I see both sides of this dueling convoy issue, and I'm willing to give both sides of the debate fair treatment.

00:29:46.240 Tell me your issues.

00:29:47.520 Air your grievances.

00:29:49.120 I'm listening.

00:29:50.240 I'll talk to anybody who's willing to talk to me.

00:29:53.260 And I think normal people have a lot in common once they actually start talking to each other.

00:29:59.220 Now, I love what Bernard is trying to do, to advocate for the forgotten man, and to make conservatism, like he says, a little more pedestrian and main street.

00:30:09.660 All politics are local, as the saying goes, and sometimes our side of the aisle doesn't do a very good job of articulating that.

00:30:18.580 We're not great at talking about public policy in a real and tangible way.

00:30:24.320 Are your taxes going up, but your potholes aren't being fixed?

00:30:28.860 Did your mayor give himself a big fat raise, but your garbage isn't being picked up on time?

00:30:35.240 And are these politicians really talking about your issues or theirs?

00:30:40.580 Now, I'm rooting for Bernard as he tries to shape the conversation around real-world problems and dinner table issues all of our families face.

00:30:50.220 And I'm one of Bernard's biggest fans and a proud member of Roughneck Nation.

00:30:55.580 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:30:57.700 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:30:59.480 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:31:03.140 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:31:07.220 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

Rebel News Podcast - January 10, 2019

Holding politicians to account for the working men and women of “Ruffneck Nation” (Guest： Bernard Hancock)

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