Rebel News Podcast - INSIDE the “deal” Trudeau's Liberals made to settle railway blockade crisis

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today, I try and make sense of the Wet'suwet'en agreement, draft, proposal,

00:00:06.420 arrangement, tentative, deal. I've heard it described five different ways, and I don't

00:00:12.440 know what it means other than there's no there there. I'll take you through what we know today,

00:00:18.760 and I'll give you just an amazing clip from Carolyn Bennett. You got to listen to this one.

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00:00:47.420 Tonight, did the liberals really make a deal to settle the national railway blockades? It's March

00:01:01.060 2nd, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:03.000 Last night, I saw this breathless press release published by Trudeau's CBC State Broadcaster.

00:01:29.740 I think it's a press release. I don't think it's a news report. There really isn't any dividing line

00:01:35.240 anymore between the Trudeau liberals and the Trudeau CBC. Don't take it from me. Even YouTube now has

00:01:41.600 a disclaimer at the bottom of every CBC YouTube video online indicating that it's paid for by the

00:01:48.120 government. It's a kind of propaganda. They do that for Al Jazeera, too. Anyways, here's the tweet.

00:01:54.380 They reach a proposed arrangement. That's a weird choice of words, isn't it? I think normal words

00:02:08.360 sound like reach an arrangement, but even that's weird. Reach an agreement. That's more English.

00:02:15.220 An agreement is a deal, right? It's a contract, an exchange of promises. I agree to sell you a loaf

00:02:23.340 of bread, and you agree to pay me $3. That's an agreement, a contracted deal. What's a proposed

00:02:29.240 arrangement? I don't quite know, but the CBC said it. If you click on the link on that tweet, you get

00:02:38.300 this story, which isn't really any clearer, is it? Would Suotan chiefs, ministers, reach tentative

00:02:45.980 arrangement over land title, but debate over pipeline continues? So now we have the word

00:02:53.760 tentative instead of proposed, and now they're saying the pipeline part is not agreed to. Hang on,

00:03:01.800 the tweet said the proposed arrangement, whatever that is, was about the pipeline dispute. Those

00:03:08.520 pipeline disputes, those are the only words that have clear meaning here, pipeline dispute. And then

00:03:13.700 right there in the story, they say it doesn't cover the pipeline dispute. The debate over the pipeline

00:03:20.520 continues. Well, what are they trying to do? Let me read some of this story. What Suotan,

00:03:25.700 hereditary leader, says they remain opposed to the coastal gas link pipeline? Oh, so there isn't a

00:03:33.400 deal, or an agreement, or an arrangement, or certainly not a contract or a treaty. So what is

00:03:38.840 it exactly? What's the news? Would Suotan hereditary chief and senior government officials say they have

00:03:45.740 reached a proposed arrangement to acknowledge land title rights established more than 20 years ago in

00:03:52.560 a Supreme Court decision? What? What? I thought we'd done with a pipeline here. Okay, well, maybe the

00:03:59.280 agreement speaks for itself, as they say. As in, if you can't describe something, maybe just look at it.

00:04:07.040 I mean, if an agreement would be made of words, just look at what the words say in the agreement.

00:04:13.740 Yeah, about that, Federal Crown Indigenous Relations Minister Carolyn Bennett and British Columbia

00:04:21.780 Indigenous Relations Minister Scott Fraser would not give details on the proposed arrangement,

00:04:29.400 saying it first has to be reviewed by the Wutsuotan people. Oh, okay. So it's a secret deal. But it

00:04:36.180 isn't a deal. But it's secret. And it would be reviewed by the Wutsuotan people. But hang on,

00:04:42.660 the Wutsuotan people have already agreed to the pipeline. 20 out of 20 First Nation bands along the route.

00:04:48.280 That's all of them. Some of them even had referendums. They have a deal, a contract. You can

00:04:55.240 read it. It's in plain English. You need a contract before you build a $20 billion. Actually, I learned

00:05:02.540 today it's much bigger than that, all included. The pipeline part alone is about $6 billion. That's

00:05:08.980 the part that these bands are most interested in. Here's a video. I'm trying to make sense of this.

00:05:14.380 So here's a video of that Indian Affairs Minister who happens to come from Toronto, Carolyn Bennett.

00:05:20.920 I'm sure she's a very nice lady. But she knows about as much about Indian Affairs as Seamus O'Regan,

00:05:29.020 Trudeau's clownish energy minister, knows about oil and gas. Try and riddle me this.

00:05:33.940 We, I believe, have come to a proposed arrangement that will also honour the protocols of the Wutsuotan

00:05:50.000 people and clans. And obviously that what we've worked on this weekend needs to go back to those

00:05:58.040 clans and then we have agreed that as ministers we will come back to sign if it is agreed upon

00:06:09.460 by the nation.

00:06:13.000 What? Did you understand any of that? I think at one point she was trying to say the words

00:06:21.360 Wutsuotan. That's a really hard word to say. I don't blame her for having trouble pronouncing 0.98

00:06:25.920 that word. It's the other parts that are embarrassing, though. I don't think she knows

00:06:31.220 anything about anything. I don't think she has anything to say. But she felt like saying

00:06:36.220 it anyways. And the Trudeau CBC felt like reporting it because they're in deep on this with Trudeau.

00:06:42.900 The CBC has been the chief cheerleaders of these blockades. They love it for some reason.

00:06:47.480 Here's more from that weird CBC story yesterday. Bennett said the proposed arrangement will

00:06:53.960 honour the protocols of the Wutsuotan people and clans. What? Lawyer Peter Grant, who represented

00:07:03.360 the Wutsuotan and neighbouring Gitsan First Nation, said the proposal is not a treaty. It's

00:07:08.260 a draft arrangement. But I think it's very powerful, he said. Now, hang on. I don't think I made

00:07:15.440 it clear enough. So let me say it again. The Wutsuotan First Nation, those Indian bands were not at 0.91

00:07:22.180 this meeting with these cabinet ministers. The guy who they were negotiating with, his name is Frank

00:07:27.660 Alec. He's just some guy. He's calling himself Chief Woos. But he's not a chief. A chief is defined in

00:07:35.060 the Indian Act. It's defined in law. It's like a mayor of an Indian band, really. They're elected in

00:07:41.000 Canada. Like I say, all 20 out of 20 bands along the way, the chiefs and the councils, those are the

00:07:47.880 First Nations. They're all on board. That would be like saying a town mayor and an alderman are on

00:07:53.980 board. Bennett didn't meet with any of them. So this lawyer guy they're quoting, Peter Grant, I don't

00:08:00.880 quite know who he's representing here. And I'm not even sure what he's saying other than there's a draft

00:08:06.640 agreement. But that means it's not agreed to yet if it's just a draft. There was one guy in the

00:08:14.560 negotiations, though, who seemed pretty sure that there was no agreement, actually, at least on the

00:08:20.860 thing everyone's talking about, the pipeline blockades. Here's Scott Fraser, the British Columbia

00:08:27.600 cabinet minister who was at the meetings. He said, Fraser said, the tentative land and title

00:08:34.360 arrangement would not be retroactive on the pipeline issue. And the parties remained in disagreement about

00:08:40.660 how to move forward. The project that's been in place, it has been permitted. And it's underway, he

00:08:45.960 said. It's underway. Isn't it something that an NDP cabinet minister from BC in a coalition with the

00:08:55.520 Green Party out there is more dedicated to having this pipeline proceed than a liberal cabinet minister

00:09:01.080 from Ontario? But of course. Oh, and here's the press release put out by Coastal GasLink, the pipeline

00:09:06.720 company itself. Coastal GasLink will resume construction activities in the Morris River area

00:09:12.680 on Monday, March 2. That's today. Following the four-day pause to allow for constructive dialogue

00:09:18.380 between the parties. But look at all the fake headlines today. Milestone deal. But is there a deal?

00:09:26.960 That's the front page of the Global Mail. And every other newspaper and TV station parroted the lie.

00:09:34.600 Why? I don't just get it. Some said the word proposed or draft, but some said there was a deal.

00:09:40.860 Here's a tweet from Global News, which wins some sort of prize. Look at this. This is a reporter for

00:09:47.520 Global. I'm amazed at the vitriol and sarcasm in the comments on this historic story. There is no payout,

00:09:55.060 no checks being signed. It's about respect, recognition, and reconciliation. No money was

00:10:00.620 sought, and it was never the point. Smarten up! No money was sought. Do you believe that? It was

00:10:07.520 never the point. Do you believe that? This is a historic story, guys. Do you believe that?

00:10:12.980 They have a tentative draft proposal arrangement, but not an agreement. And Sean Boynton of Global News

00:10:19.320 has a message for anyone who doesn't think this is historic. Smarten up, you racists! 0.97

00:10:25.140 There's a lot of lying going on. Here's David Lamedi, the justice minister for Trudeau. He's the one 0.96

00:10:30.440 Trudeau brought in after he fired Jody Wilson-Raybould. Listen to Lamedi talk on CTV with Evan Solomon

00:10:37.140 this weekend.

00:10:38.320 And he says the people that are throwing things at trains, and they look like they're trying to derail

00:10:41.880 a train or lighting fires, should be treated as terrorist acts and as terrorists. You're the

00:10:46.180 justice minister. Is he right? Well, I think an act of stupidity, like getting in the way of a train

00:10:51.460 or throwing a snowball off the train, which is exceptionally dangerous, puts your own life in 0.99

00:10:55.460 danger, far from an act of terrorism. There's a lot of hyperbole that's being added, you know,

00:11:00.860 fuel throwing onto the fire by various people. That's not going to help us get to a solution.

00:11:08.800 Throwing snowballs, eh? Really? Hey guys, it's really stupid to throw snowballs at trains?

00:11:14.460 This is what the justice minister calls throwing snowballs at trains. The entire country saw this 0.99

00:11:20.560 video, or other videos like them. So did Lamedi, of course. But he's telling you that he's willfully

00:11:28.200 blind to this. So he's telling everyone in the government to do the same as him, including the

00:11:33.960 RCMP, maybe even including the police and prosecutors for all the arsons and train derailments lately.

00:11:40.300 I see another railway facility was torched. A man was arrested in Prince Rupert. We don't know his

00:11:46.520 name at the moment. Do you think it was just random? How about all the recent derailments

00:11:51.520 in the past few weeks? Random? Just by chance, maybe. You got yourself a fake justice minister.

00:11:59.380 You got yourself a fake Indian affairs minister. You got fake news from the fake state broadcaster.

00:12:05.500 But the biggest fake part, as I mentioned to you before, is this fake chief who calls himself

00:12:11.780 Chief Woos. And that's not his name. His name is Frank Alec. Here's his LinkedIn page. It shows he's

00:12:19.560 just a lifelong member of what I call the Indian industry. Bureaucrats and lawyers and politicians

00:12:25.040 who live off the government, live off the system, off endless meetings and complaints and hearings.

00:12:30.080 He's monetized the problems of his people. The Indian industry has figured out how to make a living 1.00

00:12:37.680 off the process itself, not to actually solve the problems on reserves, but to turn those problems

00:12:43.120 into an industry. What a difference between him and, say, the former Indian chief Ellis Ross,

00:12:48.680 who was also recently interviewed by Evan Solomon.

00:12:52.400 What would your message be for the leaders who are running these blockades in places like Quebec and

00:12:57.960 Ontario and many people who are standing in solidarity with them? You're from the Heisla Nation.

00:13:02.980 What would your message be to them?

00:13:05.940 Well, if you really want to stand up for our rights, watch, we did that job 15 years ago

00:13:10.500 and we've been steadily increasing it. That's why we have so much success in communities like mine.

00:13:14.960 And our ultimate goal was to get away from Indian Act funding. I mean, the rest of the Indian Act

00:13:19.940 provisions aren't even relevant to us in today's day and age. It's only the dependency on the funding

00:13:25.180 that's actually keeping us down. Rights and title has actually opened up a whole new world for us

00:13:29.760 where we can actually bring in our own revenues, build our own apartments, build our own houses

00:13:33.460 or soccer fields and everything else. And it's a great feeling, you know, to say at some point in

00:13:38.520 our future, no, Ottawa, we don't need your Indian Act funding. Take it away.

00:13:42.800 I think there's a real issue. If anything, this thing has done is shown us that the deep divisions in

00:13:48.220 the Wet'suwet'en territory among that nation are really at the heart of it. They haven't negotiated 1.00

00:13:53.780 an understanding with BC and Canada on how they go forward. And look, it's not impossible. There

00:14:01.080 are some 29 First Nations who are self-governing in Canada who have arrangements. All of them,

00:14:07.240 I think all of them have a combination of hereditary and elected chiefs who work together

00:14:13.660 and advance the nation's cause. So there is an issue there. They have to understand who speaks

00:14:19.760 for them. And I think that's the thing that's bedeviled the government, the federal government,

00:14:24.580 the BC government and the rail companies and everybody for the last, going on four weeks.

00:14:30.240 Yeah, that panel of white baby boomer liberal women in Ottawa were shocked by Ellis Ross saying 1.00

00:14:36.460 the government intervention and government solutions were actually the problem.

00:14:40.340 Letting Indians build pipelines and resources is the solution. That was Tonda McCharles of the 0.99

00:14:45.800 Toronto Star there. She couldn't very well call Ellis Ross a racist. So she sort of white-splained

00:14:51.920 to him that you would suetane, you got to get your, you Aboriginal folks have to get your act 1.00

00:14:56.960 together. Trudeau, come on, Trudeau's got to deal. That was so embarrassing. The First Nations

00:15:04.320 along the route are not of two minds. Only journalists who put a microphone in front of the fake chief

00:15:09.560 thinks so. But no, 100% of the bands on the Ritter in favor of the pipeline, that was a real Indian 1.00

00:15:16.620 they were talking to there, Ellis Ross, not an Indian industry type Indian, not a grifter like Frank 0.78

00:15:21.840 Alec. And here's why I call Frank Alec a grifter. That's Chief Woos, the one that Carolyn Bennett went

00:15:27.900 with. Because until just last year, he wasn't a chief. He wasn't Chief Woos. He wasn't a hereditary chief.

00:15:36.660 Let me read to you from the Globe and Mail itself, which seems to have forgotten what they themselves

00:15:41.820 published. Indigenous supporters of coastal gasoline say majority with two of them members back

00:15:46.900 project. That was their headline last June. Three prominent Indigenous women say a majority with two 1.00

00:15:53.800 of the nation members are in favor of reaping economic benefits from a $6.2 billion pipeline project

00:16:00.040 in British Columbia. The three women say they feel compelled to speak out after being ostracized by

00:16:05.780 anti-pipeline protesters for supporting TC Energy Corp's Coastal Gas Link. Teresa Tate Day, Darlene

00:16:12.620 Glame, and Gloria George want to give voice to what they consider the silent majority, according to

00:16:17.960 their affidavits, which were filed in B.C. Supreme Court as part of Coastal Gas Link's application to

00:16:23.420 extend an injunction to ensure protesters don't revive an anti-pipeline blockade.

00:16:28.160 I should tell you, Carolyn Bennett refused to meet with those women. Instead, she met with Frank

00:16:35.860 Alec. But get this, house chief titles are held for life, and after the death of the holder are passed

00:16:44.960 to someone in the matrilineage, Ms. George said, we are not stripped like bark off a tree.

00:16:52.020 Hereditary house chiefs say Frank Alec took over the title of woos at a ceremony in March 2,

00:16:59.800 but Ms. Glame said many of the two attend members consider her to be the true woos,

00:17:03.720 the hereditary chief title for grizzly house under the Git-Dumden clan.

00:17:09.320 We are supposed to work together as people, Ms. Glame said. I hope that our nation can come

00:17:13.240 together to heal from this situation. So exactly one year ago today, Frank Alec, a man, obviously,

00:17:20.800 just took over a lifetime hereditary title of chief. He took it from three women,

00:17:29.360 even though the title passes from mother to daughter to granddaughter. That's what matrilineal 0.99

00:17:34.260 means. He's a fake. He's an imposter. So of course, Trudeau's minister met with him instead of the three 0.99

00:17:43.360 women who support the pipeline. Frank Alec is not a real elected chief under the Indian Act. And

00:17:50.240 according to the Wet'suwet'en tradition, he's not even a hereditary chief. He's fake. And he works 0.96

00:17:56.400 with the fake First Nations, the Wet'suwet'en office, which isn't an Indian band at all. In fact,

00:18:01.760 it's bought and paid for with Tides Foundation money out of California. You can find this yourself

00:18:06.900 on the internet. They boast about it. Fake, fake, fake. Fake chief. Fake consultation. Fake agreement.

00:18:14.120 Fake Indian band. Fake news. Why all the lying? Stay with us for more on this. 1.00

00:18:21.880 We, I believe, have come to a proposed arrangement that will also honour the protocols of the

00:18:47.880 Wissotan people and clans. And obviously that what we've worked on this weekend needs to go back to

00:18:57.160 those clans. And then we have agreed that as ministers we will come back to sign if it is agreed upon

00:19:08.760 none by the nation. Holy moly. Do you understand what any of that means? I don't. And I've watched it

00:19:19.720 three times now. And I've done my best to read what scant reporting there is. I've read the statement.

00:19:26.600 I've read statements from Coastal Gas Link who say they're going to go ahead with the construction

00:19:30.280 today. I have no idea what's going on. And joining me now to help try to make some sense of this

00:19:38.920 is our friend Manny Montenegrino who joins us now via Skype from Ottawa. Manny, great to see you again.

00:19:45.160 Great to see you. Great to be with you, Ezra. Manny, I spent some time in my monologue today

00:19:50.600 distinguishing between an agreement and a proposed agreement. I guess in law one would be called a

00:19:58.120 contract. The other would be called an offer. It's all the difference in the world, isn't it?

00:20:03.480 Until you have an agreement, you have literally nothing. Well, absolutely. And not only do you not

00:20:10.600 have an agreement, you need to know what the previous document said, what we're moving from,

00:20:17.400 what we're moving to. We don't know that either. Ezra, I'm like you. I'm lost as to...

00:20:23.480 And I think Canadians, I share my frustration in that, what are we doing? Where are we going?

00:20:31.880 And as I do with all your interviews, Ezra, I try to be informed. I try to research. I try to bring

00:20:37.800 legal skills to the questions at hand and try to provide some useful commentary. But I was stumped on

00:20:45.160 this one. I mean, Ezra, as we know, there are 600 nations in Canada. The What to Satan nation has 3,000 0.95

00:20:55.880 people. Now, of the 3,000, there are five chiefs that have been appointed or elected pursuant to the

00:21:04.760 Indian Act or the legislation in Canada. But parallel to that, there are 13 hereditary chiefs. So within that

00:21:13.800 3,000 indigenous nation, there are five clans. And within those five clans, there are 13 houses,

00:21:24.120 and these all have bank councils. I mean, I don't know, but the math seems to me that

00:21:29.800 everyone is serving on some type of council. There are only three, you know, adults, I would say.

00:21:35.480 So how do you make sense when you have 13 houses or 13 hereditary chiefs going in one direction,

00:21:44.040 five elected chiefs going in another direction, and a number of bank councils, each with committees,

00:21:51.240 that are representing 3,000 people? This is an impossibility to get any, and especially if you

00:21:58.840 don't have, as lawyers, no stare decisis or some precedence to go back and say, oh no, here's

00:22:05.480 where we were, here's where we're moving on to. It seems like we're creating everything,

00:22:10.040 a concoction from the beginning at every time. It's an impossibility.

00:22:15.400 You know what? Thank you for that research. I think you're exactly right.

00:22:18.120 This chief woos, as he's calling himself, he took that hereditary title one year ago today from three

00:22:29.400 women. Apparently they held that title jointly. My reading suggests that that's a matrilineal 0.99

00:22:39.320 title. So that means it goes from mother to daughter. Well, Frank Alec isn't a girl. I think 0.63

00:22:45.720 it's so opaque, so muddy. And like you say, it's about the process. It's about endless objections.

00:22:53.560 And it reminds me of what I used to say about the Middle East peace process. Not a lot of peace,

00:23:00.200 a lot of process though. A lot of diplomats, bureaucrats, lawyers, politicians meeting in

00:23:05.640 five-star hotels to hammer out some meaningless piece of paper. The process itself soon became the

00:23:12.600 point of it. I think what you have here is what has been called the Indian industry. Lawyers,

00:23:19.400 politicians, bureaucrats who love to meet endlessly because it gives them an income and a purpose,

00:23:27.160 but nothing's getting done to actually lift these people out of the welfare economy into the work

00:23:32.920 economy. Yeah. And we come, I mean, add to what I've said, and we come from four and a half years now

00:23:41.080 of what appears to be the most, um, informed government when it comes to, uh, indigenous

00:23:49.080 rights. We had the Trudeau government, you know, apologizing to almost every first nation,

00:23:54.840 the Trudeau government accepting 94 recommendations from the truth and reconciliation commission,

00:24:02.200 the Trudeau government with the, with the commission on murder and missing Aboriginal women

00:24:07.320 with all the recommendation calling connect Canada, a genocide. Well, I mean, how does,

00:24:13.080 how do we find ourselves at the beginning again, with this one nation of 3000 people with 13 houses

00:24:23.640 and 13 already chiefs and five elected chiefs. And we're, it's almost like we just, you know,

00:24:29.400 fell out of the, uh, out of a Martian probe. And we fall onto this problem for the very first time.

00:24:35.000 I thought we had done some substantial progress. There are, there are departments,

00:24:39.800 there are payments, there are leases, there are monies being forward to taxpayers money going to

00:24:45.560 these. I don't believe that the, the, the, this nation tax its members and, and funds itself. I

00:24:51.800 believe that comes from some form of reparation or some form of acknowledgement of past deals.

00:24:56.760 So, so my, my, my fear, uh, with this, and when you break it down, it comes down to one person who

00:25:06.200 basically calls himself a heredity chief. I mean, are we down to Canada requiring every individual and

00:25:14.680 I'm talking individual, a member of every first nations approval in some form of writing that may or may

00:25:21.960 not be binding? Yeah. You know, it's funny you say that because, uh, there was another Trudeau

00:25:28.440 cabinet minister, um, uh, a friend of, uh, Trudeau's who Mark Miller, Mark Miller. Thank you very much.

00:25:36.600 I'm sorry. You just slipped my tongue. Yeah. No, that's fine. Who met in Ontario, uh, with blockaders 0.99

00:25:43.240 there. And from what I read, at least one of the people he met with not only wasn't a band counselor

00:25:51.320 or chief, but he had actually been arrested, uh, by Mohawk police themselves for illegal drug dealing.

00:25:59.480 So you had, thank you very much. I forgot Mark Miller's name was on the tip of my tongue before.

00:26:04.280 He was sitting down and meeting for half a day with literally some guy. And Manny, I got to tell you,

00:26:11.640 if you or I stood in the middle of a railway line, we'd be arrested. And if we didn't move,

00:26:16.600 we'd be thrown in jail. This one guy who happens to have, uh, uh, you know, he's been arrested for

00:26:24.840 illegal drug dealing by the local band itself. He gets a full day or eight hours. I think it was

00:26:31.160 with the cabinet. I just don't get it. Well, and I guess they also are demanding that the prime

00:26:36.520 minister himself must meet with every person that demands a meeting. I mean, this is absurd.

00:26:43.080 I mean, under Canadian law, we've, we have advanced our society where the cities in Canada

00:26:51.400 can be overlooked by the province. There's no jurisdiction, sorry, by the federal government.

00:26:56.920 The federal government has no legal obligation to even acknowledge the existence of cities.

00:27:03.160 There are creatures of the provinces. They don't exist. And so here we have many,

00:27:07.320 a million people in Ottawa that don't necessarily get the representation of the federal government

00:27:12.040 with millions in Toronto. But yet we're down to the minutia of every 600 nations,

00:27:19.000 Ezra, 600 nations. And if all we need is one, we need to have the approval of each one,

00:27:25.240 whether they are represented or not, or whether they claim to be or not. This is,

00:27:30.200 this is going to send investment. This is going to send everything out of Canada. And we are going

00:27:36.840 to be in deep trouble and not. And look, I'm a resolution type of guy. I would love to see

00:27:42.440 things resolved, but you can't resolve it. If everyone gets to set his new goalposts,

00:27:48.680 the way they see it. And this is, this is just absurd in, in, in its totality. So I, I don't,

00:27:56.680 I see it getting worse. I thought after creating two ministries, after going through an exhaustive

00:28:03.400 truth and reconciliation commission and the exhaustive murdered, missing, uh, aboriginal 0.82

00:28:09.400 commission, I thought after all that work that we have moved the yardstick. And now I find out

00:28:15.400 we're at square one on the demands. We're right at the beginning again, uh, and billions of dollars

00:28:21.240 are flowing. So, so from a person who likes to solve problems, you know, how do you solve a problem

00:28:27.160 if all the goalposts keep changing? Yeah. You know, I've seen a number of pieces written by

00:28:33.560 liberal white Toronto centric journalists saying how, uh, they're worried that this will create

00:28:41.240 a spike in racism, people reacting to these blockades. And I think they're trying to

00:28:48.200 do something else with that commentary, Manny. I think they're trying to call

00:28:51.800 anyone who's upset with these blockades racist. They're trying to scare people away from talking

00:28:57.560 about it. Uh, of course, many of the proponents of these deals are aboriginal. Like I say, 20 out of 20 0.84

00:29:03.720 groups along this pipeline support him. But I have to say in a way they're right because there's so

00:29:12.280 much goodwill in Canada, in mainstream society towards aboriginal bands, towards past conduct, past

00:29:21.480 atrocities even, or past legal inequalities that I think there is, is to this day such goodwill towards

00:29:29.560 aboriginal people. And I prove it by showing the amount of money we spend and having ministers and

00:29:34.360 ministries. And I think that these blockades and the fact that Trudeau is allowing them to be hijacked

00:29:43.160 by rogue elements, that's who I would call this fake chief woos, this Frank Alec. I think that's burning

00:29:50.920 up the goodwill. And I think I'm very afraid to say it. These rogue intransigent and sometimes eco-terrorist,

00:29:58.200 um, ragamuffins are burning up all this goodwill towards real aboriginal people. That's, I think, 1.00

00:30:07.160 in a way, this will cause racism because you have people speaking falsely in the name of all Indians,

00:30:13.080 in the name of all Indian bands, while breaking the law. I think they are burning up goodwill towards 0.85

00:30:19.000 aboriginal people, just like fake illegal immigrants burn up goodwill towards legitimate immigrants. 0.99

00:30:25.640 That's my idea. What do you think of that, Manny? Yeah, and I, I think there's some truth to that. 0.90

00:30:30.520 But I, but, but I also think even if you, if you set aside all the bad players, uh, that you've

00:30:38.200 identified in the, in this, even the good players are not what I would call orchestrated as to, and with

00:30:46.360 some form of finality of what they want. I mean, even the good players, what is the issue that we need

00:30:52.680 to resolve? I mean, it is, and, and what's, what's upsetting, and, and this is, you know,

00:30:58.200 everyone is equal, Ezra. Everyone is equal. All nations and all people are equal. Start with that.

00:31:04.680 There are good in every nation and there are bad in every nation. But for some reason or another,

00:31:10.680 the assumption is that the, the, the bona fides of every indigenous person is, is, is without

00:31:20.200 reproach. It is superb, excellent at its best. And the bona fides of every government that deals with

00:31:27.960 indigenous is, is black, bad and, and, and not good. And I don't know why we are that. I don't know why 1.00

00:31:35.080 we accept that, that, that, that, that we had chief Spence. We, we, and this was during Harper's

00:31:41.320 administration who committed, I think her, her bank committed some financial fraud and, and, and,

00:31:48.920 and she was outed and, and, and, and they were, the auditors went in and sought fraud yet, even at the,

00:31:57.240 at the finding of fraud, her bona fides were so great that then opposition, Justin Trudeau

00:32:04.760 ran and met with her and sat with her to, to, to, to, to, you know, air and support her grievance,

00:32:11.480 her hunger strike. Well, he set the precedent. I mean, prime minister Harper said, well, wait a

00:32:17.160 minute, we're not going to at least deal with people who commit fraud on their people and on

00:32:22.680 their indigenous people and on the Canadians. We can't say that they have bona fides, but prime

00:32:28.280 minister Trudeau or then opposition leader Trudeau ran there, met with him. Why would

00:32:34.680 every indigenous person, whether, whether acting with great bona fides or what you call the,

00:32:43.960 that group that isn't demand a meeting for Trudeau? He set the bar that low. They, they are beyond

00:32:51.240 reproach. And this is where we come to this great confusion where we don't even ask the bona fides.

00:32:57.400 I'm, I understand. And you could do some research that some of these nations are receiving foreign

00:33:03.720 funds, foreign U S funds to fund them. The media doesn't even ask, well, wait a minute. Do they

00:33:09.320 have a conflict of interest? Are they acting in good faith when they're negotiating with the

00:33:13.880 government of Canada? We're not even allowed to know that we're not even allowed to ask that question.

00:33:18.680 So our own key and Bextie did some research. Yes. There's something called the, um, uh,

00:33:25.080 what to attend treaty office. It's a corporation. It's not an Indian band and it receives money.

00:33:31.000 You can find their financials right online. They boast that they receive money from the tides

00:33:36.360 foundation. They're a corporation gets foreign funding and they're not a democratically legitimate

00:33:42.520 institution. They're not a town. They're not an Indian band. It's, it's a company. And what,

00:33:49.960 what drives me nuts, Manny, is that all this effort is being made by Trudeau. He's sending ministers,

00:33:56.280 the BC government sending a minister, coastal gas link is doing things, but they're not actually

00:34:02.600 meeting with the legitimate Indian bands. So if you're, uh, you told us about all the different bands

00:34:08.760 and chiefs and it's a little complicated, but if you're an Indian in the Wet'suwet'en area and you're

00:34:14.200 following the rules and following the Indian act and doing things the right way and signing agreements

00:34:19.640 with the pipeline company, and then Trudeau's team comes to town and won't even meet with you.

00:34:26.680 They'll meet with the rogue unelected elements. Why should you follow the rules anymore? You're not

00:34:32.520 getting ahead by following the rules. Why should a pipeline company follow the rules if the rules mean

00:34:38.120 nothing? I'm afraid that, that this will just further cement the chaos and anarchy reputation

00:34:45.160 that Canada's getting. And absolutely. And, uh, but it's, it's so the bigger picture as we talked

00:34:51.560 about it is all the pipelines. It's really, this is, I don't know if this is, this is a canary in the

00:34:57.400 coal mine, but the big pipelines, which are, which are now, uh, being, being, you know, stopped,

00:35:04.040 set back, uh, uh, destroyed and not proceeded with. But if you think about it, Ezra, there is

00:35:10.600 the, the price differential that Canada gets on its oil that it can only sell to America because

00:35:17.240 it can't sell it to any other country in the world is $25 billion. Now, Ezra, I'm going to put it to you.

00:35:24.280 You're an American, you're an American conglomerate, a bunch of companies that are buying Canadian oil,

00:35:29.480 and you're getting a $25 billion discount. Would you spend a few million or even up to a billion

00:35:36.760 to, to create chaos seed, seed a division in Canada and to make sure our oil industry never survives

00:35:45.000 while us becomes the number one leader in oil production and oil sales and is an exporter.

00:35:52.120 I mean, it's so, it's so sad to see that they are pouring money into Canada and through these

00:35:58.920 indigenous, uh, first nations that we're not even allowed to ask questions about. You know,

00:36:04.120 it reminds me, I mean, this is absurd because you know, you can do it with impunity. You can give

00:36:10.760 money. American companies can give money to first nations and no one will ask a question and say,

00:36:16.520 what are their bona fides? Are they acting in good faith?

00:36:19.480 Yeah. And they can launder that money. The Tides Foundation in San Francisco and Tides Canada in,

00:36:25.400 in Vancouver, uh, which was started off as a branch plant of the San Francisco operation.

00:36:30.360 They specialize in what they call donor directed giving, which is a fancy way of saying money

00:36:35.800 laundering as in someone can donate money to the term that Canada Revenue Agency uses is a conduit. So

00:36:44.680 someone gives money to the Tides Foundation in San Francisco, their identity is kept secret. And the

00:36:52.440 Tides Foundation gives it to whom the original donor directed that dark money in return. Tides gets a

00:37:00.600 commission, I don't know, five or 10%. So that money that's pouring into the Wet'suwet'en treaty office,

00:37:07.000 that fake corporation, or any of these other bands that take Tides money, it could come from an American

00:37:12.520 competitor, it could come from an ideologue like George Soros, or it could come, frankly, from

00:37:19.800 a foreign competitor, OPEC. You know, uh, this coastal gas link pipeline, Manny, it's natural gas. That's

00:37:25.880 the gas part of it. Right. So it's, who are the biggest, uh, reserves in the world for natural gas?

00:37:32.520 Russia, Iran, and Qatar. Those are the top three countries for natural gas. Now, the United States

00:37:42.120 and Australia are really coming on board with their fracked natural gas. So who wants to stop Canadian 0.99

00:37:48.680 natural gas from going to Asian markets? Well, I just listed to you five countries, and we're talking

00:37:57.320 about billions of dollars a day in this market. I mean, the world demand for oil is a hundred million

00:38:04.200 barrels a day. So if the price is, let's just say 50 bucks for argument, that's five billion dollars

00:38:11.000 a day. Absolutely. So shutting down Canada for a billion, for two billion dollars, is the best

00:38:18.520 investment these competitors will ever make. Absolutely. And we are just jumping on it. We're

00:38:24.600 saying, fine, let's do this. And we're using, you know, the plight of people's lives in order to

00:38:31.720 help foreign oil and gas companies. I, it, it breaks my heart to see that after all this focus,

00:38:39.800 we still have indigenous people, nations that don't have clean water, but they're billions pouring in 0.99

00:38:46.440 and much, much more coming into the, uh, to the, uh, various bands. So, um, I, you know, I,

00:38:54.440 I like to some problem solve and I can't believe in 2020 from what I've heard and read, we're back

00:39:02.280 to square one, it seems with at least this one nation. And believe me, if that's the truth of this

00:39:08.600 one nation, I, I, you know, the Mohawks in Ontario and, and, and, and the rest of the nations are going to 0.92

00:39:14.600 sit there and say, what a precedent we have. Yeah. Let's start from square one and let's

00:39:19.000 renegotiate. Yeah. It looks like we have 600 vetoes, one for every first nation. And then

00:39:23.640 every rogue breakaway branch of those 600 gets a veto too. I am worried that actual Aboriginal 1.00

00:39:33.000 entrepreneurs will be set back here. And that's, that's a shame. Of course, our whole country is

00:39:38.520 being set back. Manny, it's great to catch up with you and to go through this. Thank you, my friend.

00:39:42.280 No problem. That's right. Take care. All right. Stay with us. More ahead on the record.

00:39:56.120 Hey, welcome back on my show, uh, on Friday from CPAC in Washington, DC. Mike writes,

00:40:01.560 a rebel organized Canadian CPAC. What a great idea. Have it near Ottawa in the late spring,

00:40:05.800 early autumn in a big tent. I like that idea. Um, I think though, a lot of conservative big shots

00:40:13.960 would be scared away by the media party, um, in a way that they're not scared off from CPAC. CPAC

00:40:21.800 had a whole spectrum of conservatives, um, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives,

00:40:28.760 nationalist conservatives, open borders conservatives, if that's such a thing.

00:40:32.680 Everyone felt comfortable to go there. And the media weren't really trying to pick off people

00:40:36.840 and say, do you mean to say you're going to a conservative event with him and him? In Canada,

00:40:41.560 uh, the media party would tear to shreds, most conservative leaders who attended such an event

00:40:48.200 and scare them off. Um, that's sort of what they do in Canada. So I wonder if our Canadian

00:40:55.320 political leadership would have the courage to come to a Canadian CPAC. Grassroots people would,

00:41:01.080 but I wonder what speakers would. Millie writes, Canadians need to take a page from the Americans

00:41:06.760 and not let the left bully us into feeling ashamed to be conservative. Exactly right. And I think the

00:41:11.480 big difference is in the United States, they have a guy who loves to fight back against the media.

00:41:17.160 His name is Donald Trump. And even though the media is overwhelmingly against him, he's

00:41:21.880 such a brawler. He's that straight fighter from New York. He can take them all on and the crowd cheers

00:41:29.240 with him. I don't know if we have a person like that in Canada in elected office.

00:41:34.520 What can Canada learn from CPAC? Devin writes, maybe don't kick out popular conservative figures like

00:41:41.160 Gavin McInnes. Well, Gavin's being kicked out of a lot of places. They did kick him out of CPAC.

00:41:46.840 Uh, and I'm not sure exactly why I saw Gavin when he was down there and, and he seemed to enjoy it,

00:41:53.480 but I don't know the whole story there. But Gavin is an example of someone who is being de-platformed.

00:41:59.880 And I think that's the number one threat to conservatives these days, censorship and de-platforming.

00:42:06.360 And in Canada, the chief prosecutors of censorship and de-platforming are ironically,

00:42:13.000 the media themselves. That's our show for today. Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at

00:42:18.040 Rebel World Headquarters, see you at home. Good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - March 03, 2020

INSIDE the “deal” Trudeau's Liberals made to settle railway blockade crisis

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