Rebel News Podcast - Interview with Maxime Bernier about his new People's Party, immigration and the politically correct media

00:00:00.000 Tonight, a feature interview with Maxime Bernier, talking about his new People's Party,

00:00:05.520 immigration, and the politically correct media.

00:00:08.820 It's September 26th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:17.580 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:21.420 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:25.160 You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.

00:00:28.140 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my

00:00:33.160 bloody right to do so.

00:00:38.860 Big interview today with Maxime Bernier.

00:00:41.400 You know him.

00:00:42.620 He's the happy warrior from the most conservative place in Quebec, a federal riding called BOSE.

00:00:48.700 Maybe it's easy for him to be happy in every single election he's run in as a conservative

00:00:53.800 MP.

00:00:54.360 He's received more than 50% of the vote in Quebec.

00:00:58.140 Add in his energetic style, and he was a shoe-in for Stephen Harper's cabinet, where

00:01:03.740 he made a name for himself as a libertarian voice, a voice for smaller government.

00:01:08.960 Of course, he ran for the leadership of the Conservative Party after Stephen Harper, running

00:01:13.180 against Andrew Scheer and many others, and he was favorite to win.

00:01:17.400 He had the most buzz, the most PR, and for the first 12 rounds of voting, he had the most

00:01:21.300 votes.

00:01:21.620 But in the 13th round, he was edged out by Andrew Scheer, 49% to 51%.

00:01:26.940 They never clicked.

00:01:28.500 Bernier was demoted from shadow cabinet for publishing a chapter of a book at odds with

00:01:32.600 Scheer's policies, especially about the dairy cartel, a lobby group that is widely acknowledged

00:01:37.240 as having been responsible for mustering the votes that put Scheer over the top.

00:01:41.660 Well, in the weeks before this year's Conservative Convention in Halifax, Bernier became more

00:01:46.180 voluble about issues that traditionally make Andrew Scheer and other more timid Conservatives

00:01:50.760 run and hide, like challenging extreme multiculturalism, mass migration, ethnic ghettos. 0.92

00:01:57.420 Yikes, the CBC won't like that kind of talk.

00:01:59.960 And indeed, they didn't.

00:02:01.140 They believe they get to choose what Conservatives talk about.

00:02:05.120 Harmless Conservatism, like talking about reducing the deficit one day in the future, that's fine

00:02:10.700 by the CBC, but actual conservatism, no, no, no.

00:02:14.240 That has to be nipped in the bud.

00:02:15.900 In about 10 minutes, I'll show you some of Bernier's quarrel with the CBC and why I think

00:02:20.940 it was so clarifying and so important.

00:02:22.780 So that's the main part of the show tonight, my interview with Bernier.

00:02:26.720 I'd like your opinion on it.

00:02:28.020 I know a lot of Rebel viewers really appreciated Bernier, but they were surprised and disappointed

00:02:32.220 when he left the party.

00:02:34.300 It looked splittist and impatient and it looked impractical.

00:02:37.960 Why start a new party?

00:02:38.800 From scratch, especially when so much effort had been put into uniting the right and to

00:02:43.540 be bloody-minded about it.

00:02:44.960 If the goal was to have Bernier have another crack at leading the party, what better way

00:02:49.180 than to have him stay within the tent, bide his time, make friends and allies within the

00:02:53.880 party, stay loyal enough to the party that if and when Andrew Scheer loses the next election,

00:02:58.480 as polls suggest he will, well then Bernier would be the heir apparent.

00:03:02.780 That was my advice.

00:03:03.980 Stay, fight for the party from within, and wait.

00:03:06.560 And inherit all of its infrastructure and members and MPs and budgets in the year if

00:03:11.600 Scheer indeed loses.

00:03:12.600 And if Scheer wins, well that's good for the movement, and perhaps there could be a rapprochement.

00:03:17.640 Well, all of those points are now moot, aren't they?

00:03:20.040 Coulda, shoulda, woulda, it's done.

00:03:22.220 Bernier has his new party, the People's Party it's called, which has a populist flavor to

00:03:26.300 it.

00:03:26.500 Like Doug Ford in Ontario, for the people, was his motto.

00:03:31.660 Like that new People's Alliance in New Brunswick that holds the balance of power.

00:03:34.800 Like Trump.

00:03:35.980 Like Brexit.

00:03:37.080 Like many populist nationalist parties of Europe.

00:03:39.700 And if polls are correct, Bernier's party is already in the double digits.

00:03:43.680 I'm interested in who can win and who can beat Justin Trudeau, but I'm also interested

00:03:47.640 in knowing that whoever can win will be a change.

00:03:51.120 More than just a change in the team colors from red to blue.

00:03:54.260 So, what does the party stand for?

00:03:56.280 What is their philosophy, their focus, their style?

00:03:58.320 That's what I want to ask Bernier about, and I will in a moment.

00:04:00.820 But before I do, let me show you a bizarre interview last weekend that Bernier sat for

00:04:07.000 with Wendy Mesley.

00:04:08.500 And I want to take about five or ten minutes to talk about Mesley, okay?

00:04:12.420 And what's happened to her.

00:04:13.860 So, I'm going to depart from talking about Bernier for a bit, but please stick around for that

00:04:18.320 feature interview in about five or ten minutes, okay?

00:04:20.940 Now, we all know Wendy Mesley.

00:04:22.600 She's a pleasant enough newsreader.

00:04:25.740 She married the CBC's Peter Mansbridge for a bit.

00:04:28.640 They have since divorced.

00:04:30.080 She's bounced around the company, getting increasingly obscure posts there.

00:04:34.300 But she always managed to be kept on. 0.60

00:04:36.500 It's a great gig.

00:04:37.680 I have nothing bad to say about her, because I can't really remember anything remarkable

00:04:42.000 she's ever said or done in her career.

00:04:43.760 She's been more of a newsreader than an actual reporter.

00:04:47.080 She pretty much reads lines written for her by others, but she always did it so pleasantly.

00:04:51.880 I think Canadians like her, but they can't really name anything she's done.

00:04:56.480 But she's got this new show now called The Weekly, and there really is no other way to

00:05:00.100 say it.

00:05:01.340 It is all about left-wing conspiracy theories.

00:05:03.500 Sorry, it just is.

00:05:05.800 Here's a clip.

00:05:06.720 Now, watch out.

00:05:07.540 There's some profanity in it.

00:05:08.880 Take a look.

00:05:09.280 I've stumbled onto a major company conspiracy, Mac.

00:05:11.880 How about that for stress?

00:05:13.280 What the hell are you talking about? 0.99

00:05:14.600 This company is being bled like a stuck pig, Mac, and I got a paper trail to prove it. 0.99

00:05:18.260 Check this out. 0.98

00:05:20.080 Take a look at this.

00:05:21.600 Jesus Christ, Charlie.

00:05:22.760 That right there is the mail.

00:05:23.820 Now, let's talk about the mail.

00:05:24.880 Can we talk about the mail, please, Mac?

00:05:26.300 I'm dying to talk about the mail for you all day, okay?

00:05:28.520 Pepe Sylvia.

00:05:29.200 This name keeps coming up over and over again.

00:05:30.880 Every day, Pepe's mail is getting sent back to me.

00:05:32.820 Pepe Sylvia.

00:05:33.380 Pepe Sylvia.

00:05:33.940 I look at the mail.

00:05:34.600 With this whole box, it's Pepe Sylvia.

00:05:36.440 So I say to myself, I got to find this guy.

00:05:38.080 I got to go up to his office. 1.00

00:05:39.260 I got to put his mail in the guy's goddamn hands. 0.99

00:05:41.080 Otherwise, he's never going to get it. 1.00

00:05:42.020 He's going to keep coming back down here.

00:05:43.200 So I go up to Pepe's office.

00:05:44.360 And what do I find out, Mac?

00:05:45.260 What do I find out?

00:05:47.300 There is no Pepe Sylvia.

00:05:48.840 The man does not exist.

00:05:50.380 Oh, sorry.

00:05:51.240 Wrong clip.

00:05:52.180 That's from the TV show It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

00:05:54.980 Here's Wendy Mesley's conspiracy theory show. 1.00

00:05:57.900 This is from their own highlight reel.

00:05:59.800 We still have to blur your photo.

00:06:01.980 When we show that photo, we have to blur the head.

00:06:05.180 It's a mask with ketchup.

00:06:06.640 It's not a head.

00:06:07.180 When the news first hit about the photo, all these journalists were going,

00:06:10.400 Kathy Griffin takes a picture with a severed head.

00:06:13.520 How hard is it to be an activist?

00:06:15.820 You've been poisoned twice.

00:06:17.760 The only option we have is to carry on, to carry on with our work.

00:06:21.520 And, you know, I think there's no better gift we could give to the Putin regime

00:06:25.120 than to just give up what we're doing and run.

00:06:27.440 We're exclusively revealing today that a startup based in Victoria, B.C., aggregate IQ also

00:06:34.220 had ties to Mercer, Bannon, and Cruz.

00:06:36.780 Tum-tum-tum-tum-tum-tum-tum-tum.

00:06:38.320 You go into the office towers.

00:06:39.400 Tum-tum-tum-tum-tum-tum-tum-tum-tum-tum-tum-tum-tum.

00:06:40.960 I'm like, yo, dude.

00:06:42.180 Would I think that we would be sitting on television talking about a P-tape? 0.88

00:06:45.920 No.

00:06:46.720 Or Stormy Daniels, who was PP in her nondisclosure agreement? 0.99

00:06:52.380 And, you know, I mean, I can't make this stuff up.

00:06:55.300 Rex Tillerson, the Secretary of State, said that he had no idea that this summit was

00:07:00.100 going to happen between Trump and the North Korean leader.

00:07:03.340 Did you know?

00:07:04.260 Well, I think Rex's comment speaks for itself when it points to a certain spontaneity in

00:07:10.620 U.S. foreign policy at the moment.

00:07:12.280 That's a good word.

00:07:13.400 Are you going so far as to call him a fascist?

00:07:16.480 No.

00:07:16.780 I am specifically not calling Trump a fascist, but I do think he's the least democratic

00:07:22.860 president that we've had in modern American history.

00:07:26.200 So that's the Canadian state broadcaster, but it's obsessed with Donald Trump and bashing

00:07:32.420 Trump and conspiracies about Trump and there was some Russia stuff in there, too, about Trump.

00:07:38.080 And they really describe it like that Pepe Sylvia business.

00:07:42.040 Here, look, right on their home page, they talk about the kookiness.

00:07:45.940 At the weekly, we've had a blast connecting the dots and digging into influential stories

00:07:51.940 and people, yeah, there's connecting the dots, that's for sure.

00:07:56.700 As to digging, no, that's not digging.

00:08:00.020 That's just crazy.

00:08:01.160 If you scroll through their list of stories, look at it.

00:08:05.160 Is Jordan Peterson dangerous?

00:08:07.920 Is Putin getting ready to target Canada's election?

00:08:11.680 Republican megadonor Sheldon Adelson's ties to Stephen Harper.

00:08:15.500 Has Trump's fake news factory come to Canada?

00:08:18.200 The Stormy Daniels case converging with Russian election meddling.

00:08:22.980 I mean, there's a lot of really kooky stuff there.

00:08:25.920 Not a lot of Canadian content, other than some weird attempts to smear conservatives like

00:08:30.180 Stephen Harper and Jordan Peterson.

00:08:31.680 But none of these are actual investigations.

00:08:34.800 None are actual digging.

00:08:37.180 Wendy Massey doesn't actually leave her office.

00:08:39.760 It's all eccentric stuff collected from the more occult parts of the left-wing Internet.

00:08:44.540 I mean, you've got to love this.

00:08:47.640 Brexit bombshell.

00:08:48.840 Could the vote be invalid?

00:08:50.980 Yeah, no, that's just crazy talk.

00:08:53.660 Or this one.

00:08:54.840 Has an American militia moved to Canada?

00:08:57.580 Let me save you a click and tell you the answer is no.

00:09:00.800 This is not reporting.

00:09:03.060 This is stuff that when you see it on your friend's Facebook page, written in all capital

00:09:06.920 letters, you sort of roll your eyes and say, that guy needs to get out of the house more

00:09:10.760 and turn off the computer.

00:09:11.600 It's just really, really odd to see it coming from Wendy Massey, who has spent 20 years

00:09:15.980 being inconspicuous.

00:09:16.920 I mean, can you remember anything she's ever said or done in two decades?

00:09:22.720 And now she's dredging up stuff too insane, even for left-wing blogs.

00:09:26.420 And it's almost all focused on Donald Trump and Russia.

00:09:28.980 What's going on here?

00:09:30.620 Now, I'm going to bring this back to Maxine Bernier in a moment, I promise.

00:09:33.420 But it was this bizarre interview that Wendy Massey did with Bernier on the weekend that got

00:09:37.200 me wondering, what happened to her?

00:09:39.740 Well, look, she doesn't write her own stuff. 0.99

00:09:42.620 I'm not exactly sure what she does to earn her hefty salary. 0.99

00:09:47.200 She works half an hour a week. 0.54

00:09:50.260 She does 22 minutes of TV a week.

00:09:52.800 I mean, I do that twice as much every day.

00:09:55.660 And I do all my own research and writing.

00:09:57.680 I have some occasional help from a part-time researcher who does access to information

00:10:01.100 requests.

00:10:02.040 But that's about it.

00:10:02.860 And in addition to that, I run a small startup company, but I still write my own stuff.

00:10:08.620 Wendy Massey has a staff of eight to do a 22-minute show once a week. 0.99

00:10:15.340 So who are these people?

00:10:18.000 Well, they're led by this wacko named Zev Shalev. 0.99

00:10:22.720 His official biography that he wrote on his own Twitter page is, executive producer, CBC's

00:10:30.040 The Weekly, three-time Emmy nominee, producer, entrepreneur, consultant, Trump Russia blogger,

00:10:36.280 retweets are not endorsements, opinions are my own.

00:10:38.720 So he's the boss of Wendy Massey.

00:10:40.200 He's the executive producer of the show.

00:10:42.180 And he's a Trump-Russia conspiracy theorist.

00:10:45.680 And if you can see on his Twitter bio, he links to his own website called narrative.org,

00:10:51.360 spelt in that way.

00:10:53.380 And if you click on that link, well, before you do, put on your seatbelt because you are

00:10:58.260 about to take a crazy roller coaster to crazy town and get off on the floor, Mark, crazy.

00:11:06.040 And then it just gets a little bit crazy.

00:11:07.820 I mean, look at this stuff.

00:11:09.240 Look at this.

00:11:10.500 This is the fall of Pompeo.

00:11:14.400 The CIA director is under watch by staffers who fear he is handing over classified secrets

00:11:19.220 to the White House for political reasons.

00:11:21.220 But that's not the only thing for which Mike Pompeo needs to answer.

00:11:24.780 I'm sorry.

00:11:25.260 That's crazy.

00:11:27.340 The CIA is an agency that reports to the president.

00:11:31.260 He has the power to declassify anything, everything in the CIA, everything in America.

00:11:37.400 He's the president.

00:11:38.220 He's the head of the executive branch.

00:11:39.280 He could theoretically make himself CIA director.

00:11:42.740 And no, Mike Pompeo didn't fall.

00:11:45.320 He was promoted to secretary of state.

00:11:47.600 This is really nutty stuff.

00:11:50.080 This is written by Wendy Mesley's executive producer, her ventriloquist.

00:11:54.100 Look at this one.

00:11:54.580 I'm just going to pick a few here.

00:11:55.500 Dark shadows exposed.

00:11:59.120 Vice President Mike Pence was installed by a Russian operative and has deep ties to dark 0.62

00:12:05.880 money.

00:12:06.200 I said, this is supermarket tabloid stuff now.

00:12:08.680 This is Elvis Presley is alive and living with aliens on Mars stuff.

00:12:12.800 No, Mike Pence was not installed by a Russian operative.

00:12:17.480 He was actually the governor of Indiana.

00:12:20.060 Pretty boring state.

00:12:22.160 Sorry, Indiana.

00:12:23.440 Until Trump appointed him vice president.

00:12:25.240 If you Google Mike Pence, you can find out everything about him.

00:12:30.080 I think he's actually the most boring man in America, which is probably the reason why

00:12:34.660 Donald Trump chose him to be vice president.

00:12:36.520 He's the guy who never goes out for dinner without his wife.

00:12:39.660 That guy.

00:12:40.960 Yeah, he wasn't installed by a Russian operative.

00:12:43.480 Okay, just two more.

00:12:45.300 Give me just some.

00:12:45.820 I just want to show you how insane the Canadian state broadcaster is, who's running the show

00:12:50.100 over at the CBC, and who writes the words that poor Wendy Mesley says, and no one in

00:12:54.660 the CBC cares enough about her to stop this.

00:12:58.720 Crimes of war.

00:13:00.540 President Trump needs to answer questions about the Trump organization's ties to terrorist

00:13:04.940 organizations and his support for their state funders.

00:13:08.360 Really?

00:13:09.420 Really, people?

00:13:10.100 Well, wow, hey, someone should maybe tell Robert Mueller, the special investigator, he's

00:13:16.760 got a team of lawyers and investigators.

00:13:18.720 He's burned through 20 million bucks in his 18-month witch hunt against Donald Trump.

00:13:23.940 He hasn't found anything yet, but all he needed to do was read the blog of Wendy Mesley's

00:13:30.660 boss, and he'd be able to take down Donald Trump as a terrorist.

00:13:36.020 All right, last one.

00:13:36.740 I swear, this is the last one.

00:13:37.800 How you can stop Donald Trump on Facebook and Twitter.

00:13:42.880 Posted on June 1st, 2017 by Zev Shalaf.

00:13:45.860 Now, that's all you really need to know.

00:13:47.640 That's not even journalism.

00:13:49.020 That's not even pretending.

00:13:50.500 That's not even fake news.

00:13:52.540 That is campaigning, but not even.

00:13:54.640 It's emoting.

00:13:55.520 It's smearing. 0.83

00:13:56.340 It's just a really big loser who managed to get his big job at the CBC, and no one thinks 0.71

00:14:02.320 this is too weird.

00:14:03.480 This is the executive producer of Wendy Mesley's show.

00:14:07.300 So now you know where all the cray-cray is coming from.

00:14:09.740 Now you know where the cuckoo. 0.55

00:14:11.200 You bad people.

00:14:12.820 I mean, forget about fake news and spin.

00:14:15.700 This is actually comedy stuff.

00:14:17.840 This is Pepe Silvia's stuff.

00:14:19.640 That Mike Pence as the sexy Russian agent part.

00:14:22.720 That is amazing.

00:14:23.440 I mean, I just saw the movie Red Sparrow.

00:14:26.300 It's just all Mike Pence.

00:14:28.860 But this is treated as real journalism at the CBC, and you pay for it.

00:14:32.840 And now it's being weaponized against conservatives, but also weirdly against us here at the Rebel.

00:14:36.700 I don't think I've said a word to Wendy Mesley in 10 years.

00:14:39.360 I think maybe she interviewed me once a decade ago.

00:14:42.180 I can't even remember.

00:14:43.960 I'm sorry she's not that memorable, which is why people like her.

00:14:46.700 It's why I like her.

00:14:47.900 But now she is this crazed person. 0.98

00:14:50.180 I know she's not really. 0.98

00:14:51.620 It's that weirdo who writes her lines.

00:14:54.380 He's obsessed by a lot of things, including by us at the Rebel.

00:14:57.300 And whenever they can trick a conservative newsmaker to go on this show,

00:15:01.100 he gets Wendy Mesley to ask them the same weird question.

00:15:04.560 Why do you guys talk to the Rebel?

00:15:08.320 So she asked it of Andrew Scheer.

00:15:10.020 Remember this?

00:15:10.640 Your campaign manager now, Hamish Marshall, was directly involved with building Rebel.

00:15:16.220 Why did you choose him to run the campaign?

00:15:18.260 Are you not at all worried about messages of sending out now?

00:15:22.360 I mean, that Rebel has gone so far down this white supremacist path?

00:15:25.640 That's a really weird question that I can assure you is not in the top 10 list of questions that 99.99999% of Canadians want to know about the leader of the Conservative Party.

00:15:37.140 It's just Wendy Mesley and her kooky boss. 1.00

00:15:39.940 It was also weird of Andrew Scheer to kowtow to that.

00:15:42.820 That's for sure.

00:15:43.860 Then she tried it out on Jordan Peterson, the most successful Canadian author in a decade, really.

00:15:51.300 Most successful public intellectual in the Anglosphere right now.

00:15:54.720 But she made asking about the Rebel an entire third of her interview with him.

00:16:01.200 Remember this?

00:16:01.840 Speaking out against the federal bill, C-16, and gender pronouns and so on, the federal government cut your funding for research.

00:16:10.700 Rebel Media came in and did a crowdfunding project for you, raised about $200,000.

00:16:16.040 After Charlottesville and the riots, the protests there, many people cut ties with Rebel Media, including the Conservative leader Andrew Scheer,

00:16:27.140 saying that it could be seen as giving hate groups a platform.

00:16:31.980 You still go on there.

00:16:33.920 So I'm wondering, why do you go on Rebel Media after Charlottesville?

00:16:39.140 Anyways, on this Sunday, she had Maxine Bernier on her show. 0.89

00:16:43.060 And she asked Bernier, before trying to link him to some kooky conspiracy to the U.S. Koch brothers, she asked about us.

00:16:52.120 Rebel Media, for example, does seem to be fond of you.

00:16:55.640 It's been accused, of course, of being supportive of white supremacist views.

00:16:59.400 Ezra Levant, they have a million subscribers on YouTube, 150,000 followers on Facebook.

00:17:07.940 Do you want his support?

00:17:10.060 Do you want his audience?

00:17:11.660 Yeah, Wendy, I'm Jewish.

00:17:15.240 We have people here of a variety of races and backgrounds, new Canadians. 0.99

00:17:21.560 Your white supremacist stuff is really unbecoming, and it makes you look like a fool who will read anything put in your teleprompter, which I guess you do. 0.98

00:17:33.560 I've got Maxine Bernier on the show today, and I've introduced him a bit five minutes ago. 0.99

00:17:39.520 You didn't need any introduction.

00:17:40.660 My monologue today is actually about this weird all-left extremism that's creeping into the mainstream media, and it's obviously found a home.

00:17:47.900 It's at its worst in the CBC.

00:17:49.260 But it's also about deplatforming and marginalizing conservatives.

00:17:53.120 It was the attempt by the media to tell conservative leaders, Jordan Peterson, Andrew Scheer, Maxine Bernier, who they can and can't talk to.

00:17:59.880 What they can and can't talk about.

00:18:03.380 You're not allowed to talk about Islam.

00:18:04.680 Not at all.

00:18:06.060 You're not allowed to talk about anything transgender.

00:18:08.060 Not at all.

00:18:08.600 No, no, no, no, no.

00:18:09.360 And you sure can't talk to the rebel.

00:18:12.160 And if you do, you'll be unpersoned.

00:18:16.820 Wendy Mesley met with Jordan Peterson and asked him bizarre questions about us.

00:18:20.580 He didn't give them the right answer.

00:18:22.680 So then the CBC did an attack on a music, on a band called Mumford & Sons, just for having their photo taken with Jordan Peterson.

00:18:32.420 Since Jordan Peterson didn't comply with Wendy Mesley's weirdness, he was unpersoned.

00:18:37.540 He's now persona non grata, and no one else is allowed to even talk to him anymore, or they'll be humiliated by the CBC.

00:18:42.880 Even though the CBC just talked with him, I know it doesn't make a lot of sense, except in only one way. 0.84

00:18:47.780 If you don't do what the CBC tells you to do politically, you're obviously white supremacist or anti-trans or whatever. 0.94

00:18:53.520 So Maxine Bernier got an earful from this Russia troll kook at the CBC for talking with us, 0.92

00:19:01.880 even though I think it's been about a year or more since we've had him on the show.

00:19:07.540 So I thought, well, let's see if he's being scared off by Wendy Mesley and her kooky conspiracy theorist producer.

00:19:15.640 I mean, Andrew Scheer's being scared off.

00:19:17.040 It's sort of pitiful.

00:19:18.680 So I invited Maxine Bernier on the show, and he said, yes, which is a normal thing for a conservative politician to do.

00:19:28.960 And so that, my friends, is what's next, an interview with Maxine Bernier about a lot more than just the CBC,

00:19:37.040 but I will raise the subject with him.

00:19:39.420 That's ahead on this special episode.

00:19:42.420 Stay with us.

00:19:42.960 And joining us now live via Skype is Maxine Bernier, the founder of the People's Party.

00:20:06.200 Welcome back to the program.

00:20:07.480 It's nice to have you again.

00:20:08.400 Thank you, Ezra.

00:20:10.200 I'm very pleased to be with you.

00:20:11.540 Well, a lot has happened since we last spoke.

00:20:13.540 I think the last time we interviewed you was when you were running for the leadership of the Conservative Party,

00:20:18.920 and you missed that just by less than a percent.

00:20:24.300 Tell me about your decision to break away from the Conservative Party and start the People's Party.

00:20:31.640 Why didn't you stay in and try and fight for change from within and maybe be there if Andrew Scheer fails in the next election?

00:20:40.600 How come you decided to break away?

00:20:43.520 Yeah, actually, it's a great question.

00:20:45.920 And I tried to push our ideas a year after the leadership.

00:20:50.340 As you know, I didn't win with 49 percent of the vote.

00:20:54.300 But at the end, the grassroots people, they like our bold ideas and what we want for the future of this country,

00:21:02.100 based on four principles, individual freedom, personal responsibility, fairness and respect.

00:21:07.040 So after the leadership, I tried to have that be part of the platform of the Conservative Party of Canada for the next election.

00:21:17.760 But I was not successful.

00:21:19.360 And I had a conversation, a phone conversation with Andrew 10 days before I resigned.

00:21:24.160 And he told me that the party didn't want to take any of our ideas and so for the next campaign, for the next platform in 2019.

00:21:38.800 And after that, you know, I had two choices to stay in politics and or to go back to the private sector.

00:21:46.220 But I decided to stay in politics and fight for what I believe.

00:21:49.480 I wasn't able to see myself and running for the Conservative Party of Canada on a platform that I don't believe.

00:21:56.380 So we had the platform.

00:21:58.660 And so I decided to start the party.

00:22:00.680 And up to now, it's going very well.

00:22:03.300 Now, you outlined the four principles of your party.

00:22:06.200 But those words are pretty general.

00:22:08.320 Respect, freedom, things like that.

00:22:11.000 I think a lot of our viewers like you.

00:22:14.400 They support you.

00:22:15.360 They love your style.

00:22:16.340 They love your principled stand.

00:22:17.960 But they also really want to win.

00:22:20.160 They really want to beat Justin Trudeau.

00:22:22.820 And a lot of our viewers remember the great efforts to unite the right.

00:22:26.860 Can I ask you, on behalf of our viewers who like you but are skeptical of this decision, those four principles you talked about, I bet if Andrew Scheer were right here, and of course he isn't right here because he refuses to talk to the rebel,

00:22:42.720 he would say he agrees with those four principles.

00:22:45.300 Other than the dairy cartel, what are the specific differences between your People's Party and the Conservative Party?

00:22:55.360 Because I can name that dairy cartel.

00:22:56.820 I think it's an important one.

00:22:57.980 But what are the other differences?

00:22:59.160 Well, you know, we want to have a debate on the equalization formula.

00:23:04.780 I think it's important for Canada.

00:23:06.500 It's important for everybody.

00:23:08.340 You know, that formula, it is unfair.

00:23:10.400 And it is unfair also for provinces who are receiving money because there's no incentive for these provinces to develop their own natural resources.

00:23:20.620 So I'm the only politician who speaks about that.

00:23:23.660 I'm the only politician who speaks about getting rid of corporate welfare.

00:23:28.220 And I'm serious when I'm speaking about that.

00:23:30.300 It is not a slogan.

00:23:31.760 We want to be sure to abolish the around $5 billion that the federal government is giving to big corporations.

00:23:38.260 We want to stop that and lower taxes for every single entrepreneur in this country.

00:23:42.900 We think that it is not fair to tax a small business entrepreneur in Calgary and using their money, that money, to give that to a big corporation like GM and Bombardy.

00:23:54.580 So we are very serious about that.

00:23:57.540 And also, we want to have a debate about the health care system in our country.

00:24:02.440 We want to respect the Constitution.

00:24:03.940 We want to be sure that everybody will be able to have good health care services by, first of all, stopping to tax Canadians and giving that money to provinces.

00:24:15.560 We want to lower the taxes at the federal level and let the province tax for their own responsibility, like health care.

00:24:22.800 So we and provinces will have an incentive to develop a new way to offer that services to their people.

00:24:33.140 So with maybe more private and other ways, like in other countries, like in France, like in Sweden, like in other European countries where they have a better system than in Canada.

00:24:43.840 So politicians are afraid to have this kind of discussion.

00:24:47.680 So that's a big difference between our party and the other one.

00:24:51.100 And we're not afraid to have debate about that.

00:24:53.920 And, you know, we will take the time to explain our policies to Canadians.

00:24:59.800 And that's why we will be able to have support.

00:25:03.560 And the other part of your question was about being able to be the alternative.

00:25:10.060 And I think we would be able to be the alternative because, first of all, we have a lot of support from former conservatives who are coming with us,

00:25:18.640 but also from people who voted liberals before, people who voted for Paul Martin and Jean Chrétien a couple of years ago because they believe in a balanced budget and lower taxes.

00:25:31.220 So that's, you know, our plan to balance the budget in two years.

00:25:35.840 They are welcome in our party because they cannot see themselves in the Liberal Party of Canada right now.

00:25:41.680 And I had some people who voted NDP.

00:25:44.340 They said, Maxime, I want to join your party and deal with you because you want to get rid of corporate welfare and you want to abolish the cartel of supply management.

00:25:52.120 That is a regressive tax on the poor.

00:25:54.860 So we can attract these kind of people.

00:25:57.340 But also 30 percent of Canadians didn't vote at the last election because they don't believe in politician anymore.

00:26:04.720 So I think we can have some of these people also.

00:26:08.180 So we have to prove to I have to prove to my former conservative colleagues that we will be the alternative.

00:26:17.260 And I think it's starting very well.

00:26:19.700 We are on 10 or 12 or 15 the whole right now.

00:26:25.300 Just in the beginning, we just have to increase that.

00:26:28.080 And I can tell you that in a couple of months from now, we will be the alternative.

00:26:31.820 And if you want to beat the Trudeau government, people will have to vote for us and not for Andrew Scheer.

00:26:37.380 Now, it's interesting.

00:26:38.740 I was making notes as you talked about equalization reform, corporate welfare reform, health care.

00:26:43.660 A lot of those ideas remind me of the early days of the Conservative Party or more to the point, the Reform Party and the Canadian Alliance.

00:26:53.640 It sounds to me like you're suggesting that today's Conservative Party under Andrew Scheer is really a party of the establishment and not a party of insurgent ideas.

00:27:05.820 Is that a fair assessment of your view?

00:27:08.920 Absolutely.

00:27:09.720 It's a fair assessment.

00:27:10.660 And they're liberal-like, you know, that's why they don't have any ideas.

00:27:15.200 They don't want to discuss these reforms because they need to do polling and focus group.

00:27:20.920 And after that, they will come with a policy.

00:27:24.500 They try to please everybody.

00:27:26.640 And in politics, when you try to please everybody, you won't please everybody.

00:27:29.940 So, you know, we believe in real Conservative reform, and that's what we want to do.

00:27:36.420 And that would be the only way for having a smaller government in Ottawa and a government that will respect the people.

00:27:42.480 So, that's a big difference between us and the Liberal and the Conservative, and you're right.

00:27:48.220 The establishment at the Conservative, they don't want to open this debate.

00:27:54.320 But Canadians, they're ready for it. 1.00

00:27:56.160 And they know if we want to have a freer and a more prosperous country, we'll need to have these kind of reforms.

00:28:02.260 Well, let me ask you about one more area of politics because, you know, corporate welfare, that should be pretty easy for any Conservative to support reforms.

00:28:11.840 And health care is no longer the third rail of politics that it was maybe 15 years ago because people know it's not working.

00:28:19.500 But there is one area of politics that I think the federal Conservatives and almost everyone else in the country, especially in the media, is terrified to talk about.

00:28:30.040 And at least in English Canada.

00:28:31.500 And that is open borders, immigration, illegal immigrants, and especially the Islamic nature and effect of some of these migrants, whether it's the hijab or the full face obscuring niqab in public or in courts. 0.92

00:28:49.440 These are subjects that I think people want to talk about.

00:28:52.860 But if they even ask basic questions or raise concerns, they're called racist or whatnot.

00:28:58.960 Now, you've engaged in some of these conversations on Twitter.

00:29:03.880 Is that part of your People's Party as well?

00:29:07.060 Do you have views on immigration, multiculturalism, and integration and assimilation?

00:29:14.460 For sure, yeah.

00:29:15.720 It is part of our platform.

00:29:17.680 And I tweeted about that a couple of days ago.

00:29:20.540 And, you know, we need to.

00:29:23.000 This country has been built with immigrants. 1.00

00:29:24.760 And immigrants that they share their Western civilization values.

00:29:29.820 And that's very important.

00:29:31.360 So I don't want our country to be like in France, actually, right now, in Europe, where they have challenges with the integration of our new immigrants. 0.75

00:29:40.880 We don't want that in Canada.

00:29:42.220 So that is why we must have a debate about immigration.

00:29:47.140 And I'm open for immigration.

00:29:48.880 But I'm open with immigrants that will come here, like the one in the past, who came here to share our Canadian values and our culture.

00:29:56.660 They will come to our country. 1.00

00:29:58.380 I want them to be able to have a job.

00:30:00.200 I want them to be able to integrate our society.

00:30:02.800 So that's why we need to have a debate on immigration.

00:30:05.980 But the other part is they don't want to have a debate about that.

00:30:09.180 You know, I think it's time to have this kind of debate.

00:30:11.780 You know, my last interview with Andrew Scheer, and I think it's why he never came back, I asked him about some of the Syrian migrants.

00:30:21.080 And I said, do you have any views on that?

00:30:25.080 He said, well, we need to do security background checks.

00:30:28.340 I said, that's true.

00:30:29.900 But a lot of things won't show up in a security background check in someone from Syria.

00:30:34.700 Questions about cultural compatibility, the equality of men and women, the treatment of minorities, the separation of mosque and state.

00:30:43.540 I asked Andrew Scheer if he felt there ought to be any cultural fit test.

00:30:48.880 So not just a background police check, obviously.

00:30:52.160 And he didn't answer me.

00:30:53.620 Do you believe that we should have a test to make sure someone embraces Canadian values like the separation of mosque and state or the equality of men and women?

00:31:04.100 I couldn't get an answer out of Andrew Scheer.

00:31:06.840 Do you feel more confident on that question?

00:31:10.080 But first of all, as you know, Kelly Leach, during the leadership campaign for the Conservative Party of Canada, raised that issue.

00:31:17.260 And she said that we need a test.

00:31:19.200 So I'm open for ideas.

00:31:21.040 I don't know how we will be sure that these people that are coming here are sharing our values and our principle, Western society values and principle.

00:31:33.420 So is it by a test or another means?

00:31:36.360 I don't know.

00:31:36.980 I'm open for suggestions.

00:31:38.900 Somebody told me, Maxime, if you ask for a test, they will tell you what you want to hear and it would be very difficult.

00:31:45.620 So I'm open to find the best way to be sure that people who are coming in this country are coming for the real reason and are coming because they want to be in a country that is free, that is respect the rule of law, the equality between men and women, the distinction between the church and politics.

00:32:05.580 So that's important for us.

00:32:07.800 And I don't know what would be the best way to be sure that these people are coming because they share our values and they want to be in a freer country.

00:32:18.020 But what happened in the past, if you look at the past 65 years, 70 years, people, they were coming here and they were sharing our values.

00:32:28.000 So maybe we need to improve our system, but we don't need to throw everything out and start from the beginning.

00:32:36.660 What we did a couple of years ago, the point system, it's a good system, maybe we must improve it, but I don't have the solution about it right now.

00:32:45.440 And I'm open.

00:32:46.240 That's why I'm doing this debate.

00:32:47.880 And I'm looking for a solution or ideas from Canadians about it.

00:32:54.400 Thank you.

00:32:54.900 I have just one more question on this.

00:32:56.700 And again, even if you don't have a concrete answer, just the way you're thinking about it or your process is useful to me.

00:33:05.320 I know that Justin Trudeau and Ahmed Hassan, the immigration minister, have talked about increasing the number of immigrants to Canada to 300,000 a year.

00:33:15.820 I've also seen regular opinion polls that have gotten sharper against that.

00:33:21.860 Less than 10% of Canadians, including according to the government's own polls, support an increase.

00:33:29.780 Do you have any thoughts on the actual number?

00:33:33.660 Should it be where it is now, around 250?

00:33:36.560 Should it increase to 300?

00:33:38.260 Should it be restricted?

00:33:39.660 Do you have any views on that?

00:33:41.780 Yes, yes.

00:33:42.460 First of all, you're right that the Trudeau government, they want to have 310,000 people a year, new Canadians.

00:33:49.180 They will increase that to 340,000 a year in two years from now.

00:33:53.860 And they receive a report, the Barton report, and that report is asking for going up to 450,000 a year.

00:34:01.700 So what I want, I want us to go back on the average that we had, the average of immigrants that we had under Stephen Harper for the last 10 years that we were in power, that the conservatives were in power.

00:34:15.180 So it's about 250,000 a year.

00:34:17.880 So I think we must go back to that number and being sure to integrate these people.

00:34:22.160 So that's my goal.

00:34:23.680 And I'm the only politician who has a number.

00:34:26.340 All the other ones are afraid to have a number.

00:34:29.880 So around 250,000 a year, I think it would be a good start. 0.84

00:34:34.520 And, you know, I'm in line with 49% of Canadians that they think that there's too much immigration in our country.

00:34:42.220 So, you know, these people, I think they're right.

00:34:45.220 So I'm not afraid to say a number.

00:34:48.400 Thank you for answering those policy questions.

00:34:51.840 I'd like to shift gears.

00:34:52.760 I'm grateful for your time.

00:34:53.660 I want to cover two more subjects with you.

00:34:55.600 I want to talk about two provincial election campaigns and ask your opinion about shifting politics.

00:35:02.980 And then I want to finish up briefly on the CBC because I know you've just put out a new statement on the subject.

00:35:08.300 But let me talk about the election a couple days ago in New Brunswick.

00:35:11.880 That the traditional parties, the progressive conservatives and the liberals, they each got about 30% of the vote.

00:35:20.600 But third parties got about 30% of the vote.

00:35:24.120 There was the NDP.

00:35:25.400 They only got 5%.

00:35:26.600 There was the Green Party got about 12%.

00:35:28.880 And there's a new party called, let me get this right, the People's Alliance, which sounds similar to your People's Party.

00:35:37.980 It's right of center.

00:35:39.580 It has new ideas.

00:35:41.260 It's against corporate welfare.

00:35:42.660 It actually sounded very similar to you guys.

00:35:45.280 And they won the balance of power.

00:35:47.880 And they got, I think, 13% of the vote.

00:35:49.380 Do you think that these old routines and customs that you either voted Tory liberal, Tory liberal, I was surprised by the news there.

00:35:59.760 Have you been following that?

00:36:00.980 Do you know anything about this third party, the People's Alliance?

00:36:04.400 What are your take on that?

00:36:06.340 Well, first of all, I didn't follow in detail the election over there.

00:36:09.840 But, you know, I saw the result.

00:36:11.660 And for me, it's an indication that people, you know, are fed up with the old parties that are saying almost the same thing.

00:36:20.460 And they're afraid to have real debates.

00:36:22.940 But the most important, they want, they use the people's money.

00:36:26.740 When I'm saying they, the old parties, they're using the people's money to buy votes for special interest group.

00:36:33.700 They're doing that with the cartel of supply management at the federal level.

00:36:37.600 So, and that way of doing politics, taxing people, and after that, giving that money to a special interest group for having their support, I think people are fed up with that.

00:36:49.180 And that's not the way that we will do politics.

00:36:51.700 We are doing politics for all Canadians, for the people of our country.

00:36:56.800 That's why we are calling our party the People's Party of Canada.

00:37:00.340 So, I think people, it's a sign in New Brunswick.

00:37:03.520 And for us, it's looking very good because we are at around 12% in the poll right now after three weeks.

00:37:10.900 And we can just increase, and I hope we will, and we'll show to everybody that would be the right alternative, the alternative in 2019.

00:37:22.320 I want to shift to Quebec's provincial election.

00:37:25.020 And I'm not expecting you to endorse one party or the other, although if you want to, let me know you're thinking on that.

00:37:30.480 I find it fascinating because I think, as an outsider, and I don't speak very good French, so I don't have a lot of information.

00:37:39.140 But it looks to me like Quebec has more honest conversations about some of the cultural issues because Quebec has their French identity that they're trying to keep a hold of.

00:37:49.080 So, they think about it, they talk about it, they worry about it.

00:37:51.800 Some people would say Quebec was the first ethnic nationalist jurisdiction in North America, in a way.

00:37:59.980 And what do you make about the discussions in that campaign?

00:38:04.820 And what do you make of the rise of the coalition Avenir Quebec?

00:38:08.280 Are they a like-minded party to you?

00:38:11.360 Do they share some views?

00:38:12.820 I'd like your thoughts, and I'm not looking for you to weigh into that election, although feel free.

00:38:16.500 I just want you to help teach the rest of the country what's going on there, and can it apply to the federal scene?

00:38:23.840 Yeah, I don't want to interfere in provincial jurisdiction.

00:38:27.260 But what I can say, the coalition, the Coalition Avenir Quebec, the CAC, the coalition,

00:38:34.460 they're tied in the pole right now with the Liberals, and we don't know what will happen in a week from now.

00:38:40.820 But yes, you're right, they opened a discussion about immigration, and they're the only party who is saying right now in Quebec that we must have a little bit less immigration.

00:38:52.660 And I think Quebecers are used to that debate.

00:38:55.740 And in English Canada, we are having, and I'm starting that debate also.

00:38:59.620 So the coalition, it's a kind of a right-wing party, but for me, being a right-wing in Quebec, it's a little bit kind of a socialist party also.

00:39:12.720 I don't know what will happen, but at least we have some discussion in Quebec about immigration, and it's going very well.

00:39:21.480 Nobody is saying that the leader of Black Act is a racist.

00:39:25.380 Nobody is saying that, and he's having that open discussion.

00:39:29.880 So I hope that we can have that open discussion also in Canada, and I'm starting that debate right now.

00:39:38.980 I'm very jealous because it seems like even if the mainstream media disagrees with the CAC body and their leader,

00:39:45.480 they at least hear him out and report what he says, and they understand it's a legitimate,

00:39:51.280 even if they disagree with him, they at least acknowledge it's a legitimate position.

00:39:55.980 I'm jealous because I don't see that in English Canada.

00:39:59.160 Do you agree that English Canada doesn't yet have the courage to have that same conversation?

00:40:05.380 But what I'm saying, it's the mainstream media.

00:40:08.620 Right.

00:40:08.860 I think they are not fair when we speak about that.

00:40:14.520 But, you know, people, the credibility of journalists right now, it is not as high as it was 10 years ago.

00:40:21.640 And people, they can have their news.

00:40:23.460 You know, you're very popular, Israel, and people like to hear what you're saying.

00:40:27.480 And there's other media, other social media.

00:40:30.280 And that's what we want to know.

00:40:31.840 We want to do.

00:40:32.500 We want to appear to the intelligence of people.

00:40:35.020 And when the mainstream media, they were saying, Maxim is a populist politician,

00:40:40.700 I said, maybe yes, but I'm a smart populist politician because we have serious policies

00:40:46.740 and we bring something on the table for having real debate that would be great for this country.

00:40:52.820 Right.

00:40:53.220 Well, that's a very good point you make is that I think English Canadians are ready for that conversation,

00:40:58.200 but not the English Canadian media, which leads me to my last series of questions.

00:41:01.740 And I thank you again for your time.

00:41:03.640 But I've watched you very carefully over the last month, as so many Canadians have.

00:41:09.440 And one of, I'll be honest, one of my favorite things has been how you've been sparring with the mainstream media,

00:41:16.640 especially with the state broadcaster.

00:41:19.480 And I want to play a couple of clips.

00:41:22.760 And you surely know the ones I'm talking about.

00:41:24.980 Right before you started the People's Party, the CBC did a hit piece on you, and it was hosted by Rosemary Barton.

00:41:34.460 There was another journalist involved.

00:41:36.480 Let me play a very short clip, and then I'm going to read a tweet by Rosemary Barton.

00:41:41.760 So let me just remind our viewers what I'm talking about.

00:41:44.500 I know you know, Maxime.

00:41:46.240 Yes.

00:41:46.440 And then I'll like your feedback on this.

00:41:47.880 So here's a short clip from a CBC attack on you that tries to link you to a Ku Klux Klan protest in Charlottesville.

00:41:57.580 Take a look.

00:41:58.280 Youth will not.

00:41:59.760 Also significant is the timing.

00:42:01.800 Bernier chose to send his messages on the first anniversary of the riots in Charlottesville, Virginia,

00:42:07.460 a milestone for people who believe whites are under some kind of cultural attack.

00:42:12.780 We did reach out to Maxime Bernier today to see if he'd talk, Rosie, but he didn't respond.

00:42:18.240 Just an absolutely insane non sequitur.

00:42:21.700 They're talking about you in Canada, and they cook up this conspiracy theory that you're setting your timing

00:42:28.160 based on something that happened in Charlottesville, Virginia.

00:42:32.880 Let me call for your response in one second, but I want to show just very quickly the tweets

00:42:38.940 that were exchanged between you and Rosemary Barton.

00:42:41.680 You wrote on Twitter, and this is on August 16th.

00:42:45.020 You wrote, just saw this report, which implies a timing between my tweets last Sunday

00:42:49.780 and some violent demonstration in the U.S.

00:42:51.620 How do you know that I chose to send my messages on the first anniversary of the riots in Charlottesville?

00:42:55.860 This is despicable fake news.

00:42:57.640 And then Rosemary Barton wrote back, how do we know you didn't time to coincide with that anniversary,

00:43:04.380 given you won't give any interviews to anyone about anything you tweet?

00:43:07.320 How about you answer some questions and defend your position in front of people?

00:43:10.900 Then we can talk about what is fake.

00:43:13.000 Thanks for watching.

00:43:14.360 And then you wrote back, I'm just going to go a couple more here.

00:43:17.440 You said, whether or not I give interviews, your job is to report facts, not unfounded and calumnious speculation.

00:43:23.320 You admit you have no idea if there was a connection.

00:43:25.640 I tweet almost every day and was not even aware of this event in the U.S.

00:43:28.940 You were biased, unprofessional.

00:43:30.960 And then the last comment by Rosemary Barton.

00:43:34.100 Any politician worth his salt would have known of that anniversary.

00:43:37.760 I don't care what you tweet.

00:43:39.240 I do care that you won't answer questions about.

00:43:41.700 I report facts based on what people say and tweet.

00:43:44.340 The interview request stands and we can clear this all up anytime you like.

00:43:49.360 Now, I wrote I said that in my own dramatic voice, Maxine.

00:43:53.280 But I have to say the mask fell off Rosemary Barton for a moment.

00:43:58.140 And we saw her true nature as a radical partisan, not as a pretend neutral journalist.

00:44:04.220 I was shocked by that exchange.

00:44:06.380 What do you think of it now that a month has passed?

00:44:09.040 Yeah, no, it is crazy, you know.

00:44:13.040 And yes, you're right.

00:44:14.840 She was a radical partisan.

00:44:17.500 And that's a smear job that they tried to do.

00:44:20.560 And, you know, for me, the CBC, it's funded by us, by people's money, by Canadians.

00:44:27.100 And there's no place for that at the CBC.

00:44:30.380 If they want to be a leftist partisan, they can go at the private sector and work for, but not work for another broadcaster, but not at the CBC.

00:44:41.800 So that's why I proposed during the leadership campaign a big reform of the CBC, cutting their budget and asking the CBC to be like the PBS in the state.

00:44:52.040 And people who want to give money to the CBC will be able to do that.

00:44:56.540 And taxpayers won't be forced to give money to the CBC.

00:45:01.640 So it's I was very disappointed at the CBC when that happened.

00:45:08.460 Well, you are the first member of parliament that I can remember to in any serious fashion challenge the CBC.

00:45:17.520 See, that's another thing that I think the conservative party of Andrew Scheer is afraid of.

00:45:22.480 I think they're afraid of talking about cultural issues.

00:45:25.000 And I think they're terrified of offending the media party.

00:45:28.740 But I think the CBC, Maxime, after that interview with you, I think they doubled down.

00:45:33.420 Let me show you this quick clip of Paul Wells.

00:45:36.860 He's from I think he's still with McLean's if they're still around.

00:45:40.240 And he wasn't just attacking you now.

00:45:42.660 He was mocking anyone who supports you.

00:45:46.700 Look at this quick clip.

00:45:47.920 Look, there's no part of his stance on immigration and identity that is libertarian.

00:45:51.780 He wants to lead a libertarian party and he also wants to lead an anti-immigrant party.

00:45:55.980 His supporters on Twitter seem to be that tiny Venn intersection of people who think it's great that Donald Trump is the president of the United States.

00:46:03.080 And people who think that Maxime Bernier would be like Donald Trump.

00:46:06.220 You cannot have been paying much attention to Max Bernier over the last 20 years to entertain that fantasy very far. 1.00

00:46:15.000 So basically, his voter base right now is the stupidest people on Twitter. 0.99

00:46:19.960 And so we'll see how far that gets him. 1.00

00:46:24.260 No comment.

00:46:25.180 You know, it's one thing for him to disagree with you.

00:46:29.940 That's fine.

00:46:30.940 It's another thing for him even to insult you.

00:46:32.960 And I suppose that's the price a politician pays.

00:46:35.380 But I think the sneering scoffing at grassroots taxpayers and citizens and the laughing at his own scoffing and the other host there saying, well, no comment.

00:46:46.900 I don't think the CBC knows what they look like to ordinary people.

00:46:53.540 I think that they look imperious and condescending.

00:46:57.400 And frankly, Maxime, if the CBC were to do that every single day, I think your support would grow just based on anger against the CBC.

00:47:07.620 You know, you have to, like I said during a press conference, I said, when I'm going to see, when I will see a fake news, I will call it a fake news.

00:47:19.540 And Rosie, that was fake news.

00:47:22.820 And the CBC, if they're doing that, they're not helping themselves.

00:47:27.720 You know, it's people in their tower in Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver.

00:47:33.040 And I think other journalists who are working for the CBC in Longtown, in the region, they may be not like that.

00:47:43.900 And they may be not proud of these people working with the CBC and not being fair with everybody.

00:47:54.160 I want to ask you just one last question because you've stayed very long with us and I know you have many things to do.

00:47:59.320 But it is one last question about the, I'm using the CBC as an example, but I think it goes to a concept called de-platforming.

00:48:09.940 And I'm not sure what the French term for that is.

00:48:12.600 That's not debating your opponents.

00:48:14.740 That's trying to marginalize them, ban them, censor them. 0.98

00:48:20.200 And it's just, I want to show you, and you know what I'm talking about.

00:48:23.600 This is Wendy Masley, who used to be very prestigious at the CBC. 0.95

00:48:28.200 She used to be an anchor, a newsreader.

00:48:30.820 I think she was well regarded.

00:48:32.260 She didn't have particularly strong opinions.

00:48:34.560 But she has this new obscure show on Sundays that's really a conspiracy theory show from the left.

00:48:40.860 And they took a run at you saying, you know, asking if you're funded by the Koch brothers, which of course would be illegal.

00:48:48.360 It's such a bizarre question.

00:48:51.100 It was a series of strange accusations.

00:48:53.720 But I want to show you something really weird because it references me, actually.

00:49:00.600 And I just want to play it.

00:49:02.740 Our viewers probably know what I'm talking about.

00:49:04.300 But I'd like your take on the new leftist approach of deplatforming and marginalizing opponents.

00:49:12.640 Take a look at this.

00:49:13.980 But I do wonder if you've noticed that rebel media, for example, does seem to be fond of you.

00:49:22.340 It's been accused, of course, of being supportive of white supremacist views.

00:49:25.620 As relevant, they have a million subscribers on YouTube, 150,000 followers on Facebook.

00:49:34.300 Do you want his support?

00:49:36.740 Do you want his audience?

00:49:39.260 You know, I want people who believe in our ideas.

00:49:41.940 And it can be people who are watching this show right now, people who are watching the Ezra Levitt and the Rebel.

00:49:49.380 It can be people who are watching Radio Canada.

00:49:54.420 You know, by the way, Maxime, I just want to tell you I'm not a white supremacist.

00:49:57.840 I'm Jewish, in fact.

00:49:59.960 Our staff is of every race and background.

00:50:04.020 It's so weird she would say that.

00:50:06.260 And that sort of came out of the blue.

00:50:08.360 Like, you weren't talking about the rebel.

00:50:10.960 You and I actually aren't even that close.

00:50:13.340 I mean, I do like you.

00:50:14.320 But we've actually had criticisms from our viewers that we haven't talked about you enough.

00:50:19.960 So I don't even know what she's talking about there.

00:50:22.480 I thought that was an attempt by the CBC to tell you who you should and shouldn't meet with, who you should and shouldn't talk with.

00:50:31.940 The fact that we're a competitor of sorts to them makes it even more craven.

00:50:36.480 But I think it's weird that it's an acceptable line of questioning.

00:50:40.920 Don't talk to him.

00:50:41.980 Don't meet with them.

00:50:43.120 For a journalist to say that, what do you make of that?

00:50:46.400 You know, because you're so good, Ezra, and, you know, you're a real competition for them.

00:50:53.040 And I think they're afraid a little bit.

00:50:55.260 But I don't know why other politicians are not going on your show.

00:50:58.620 I don't know why Andrew Scheer is not going on your show.

00:51:01.280 We know who you are.

00:51:02.460 You're a credible, proud Canadian, and you can be proud of what you're doing right now.

00:51:07.880 You know, it's a news broadcaster.

00:51:11.380 You are all over Canada, and you have good guests and good people working with you.

00:51:16.300 And, yes, from different backgrounds, you can be proud of that.

00:51:19.640 And, you know, I said to the CBC at that time, if I receive an invitation, I will look at it.

00:51:25.680 And, as you know, I received the invitation, and I'm with you, and I'm very proud to be with you.

00:51:30.120 And you're doing a good job.

00:51:31.280 I know that sometimes you'll be against me as a politician on ideas, and the other time you'll be for it or not.

00:51:37.460 But that's your job to do that, and I appreciate that.

00:51:40.600 Well, thanks very much.

00:51:41.600 I appreciate the compliments.

00:51:42.680 I actually wasn't fishing for a compliment, but it was nice of you to offer it.

00:51:46.720 I think you're right.

00:51:47.500 I mean, we have criticized you.

00:51:48.980 I personally said I would have wished for you to stay within the Conservative Party, and I gave my reasons.

00:51:54.380 But you didn't.

00:51:55.320 And so we're going to cover you as the news.

00:51:57.480 And you can say what you want to our people.

00:51:59.340 But I just thought it was odd that it feels like there's a little club, a little clique, both in politics and in the media, and you're not allowed to deviate from that little clique.

00:52:11.540 And you have done both, Maxime.

00:52:13.240 You've started your own party, and you talk to rough-hewn characters like me and the rebels.

00:52:20.520 So you've broken two rules in Ottawa.

00:52:24.860 I'm grateful for your time today, and we've covered a lot of ground.

00:52:28.500 Is there any other message that you would send to our viewers?

00:52:31.680 Because I am going to email this video out to our people, because I think they'll find a lot of it interesting.

00:52:36.340 They won't agree with all of it.

00:52:37.400 But if you had one last message to say to our viewers, especially Conservatives, who feel like you should have stayed in the tent, what would your sales pitch be to them?

00:52:48.340 After all our discussion, if someone's paying attention now, what would you say to them to close the deal?

00:52:53.040 But first of all, I just want to say to you that for me, political correctness, it is finished, and we have to say what we believe.

00:53:02.800 And what I'm saying to the Conservatives who are staying with Andrew Scheer right now, and they're not ready to be a part of our party, just watch us and, you know, look at our platform, read our platform, and you'll see that we are the real alternative, the real conservative alternative for this country.

00:53:20.920 And I hope that we will be able to have your support in the near future.

00:53:25.780 And if you want to know what we believe in, go on the website of the People's Party of Canada.ca.

00:53:31.540 You have the platform, and you'll be able to be a funding member also until the 1st of November.

00:53:39.260 So be part of history, come with us, and all together, we'll make this country great again.

00:53:46.920 Well, thank you very much, Maxime Bernier, founder of the People's Party.

00:53:50.020 I've really enjoyed our conversation, and I think you've given our viewers a lot to think about.

00:53:56.080 And, hey, I am glad that you come on The Rebel because we are part of the national conversation just as much as Wendy Mansley is, and I appreciate your taking the time with our viewers.

00:54:04.860 All the best to you, sir.

00:54:06.400 Thank you. Bye-bye, Ezra.

00:54:07.780 Thank you. Bye-bye.

00:54:09.060 Well, there you have it. Maxime Bernier, what do you think of that interview? Let me know.

00:54:12.800 Send me an email to ezra at therebel.media, or leave your comments below.

00:54:17.220 Stay with us. More ahead.

00:54:20.020 Hey, welcome back. On my monologue yesterday about the results of the provincial election in New Brunswick, Jonathan writes,

00:54:34.260 As a New Brunswicker who worked on the campaign for a progressive conservative candidate, I can tell you that immigration had nothing to do with the election.

00:54:41.700 Not one party discussed it. The split was caused by two factors.

00:54:45.080 The polarizations of bilingualism, mostly French in the north and east coast in areas like Moncton and Shediac, and English in the south.

00:54:51.420 As you can see, the French areas are predominantly liberal in English, is mostly PC.

00:54:56.460 The People's Alliance actively encouraged vote splitting amongst the right, which caused many PC candidates to lose to the liberals, including my riding of Fredericton North.

00:55:03.920 Make no mistake about it. If it weren't for the People's Alliance, we would have a PC majority in New Brunswick.

00:55:09.720 I should also note that the PA leader, Chris Austin, was a PC member that lost his nomination and quit the party to form the People's Alliance in New Brunswick for the 2010 election.

00:55:20.040 I say the lesson learned here is don't split the vote next year federally, or it could be worse than a minority conservative government.

00:55:26.740 We could easily face a liberal NDP coalition in Ottawa.

00:55:30.700 Well, Jonathan, thank you very much for providing that on-the-ground fact check.

00:55:36.300 As I indicated yesterday, I was speculating, and I accept without question your report that the issue of immigration or whatnot would not have been discussed in ads, in debates.

00:55:50.540 I wonder if it was in the back of people's minds. I just don't know.

00:55:53.240 You're saying it wasn't part of the election. I'll take your word for it.

00:55:56.000 I think it's in the back of everyone's minds as we see the news every day of the open borders, and people notice things.

00:56:04.160 I think it's a factor. You're telling me it wasn't the decisive factor, and you're pointing out, and it's good timing that you do, that a splittism, I believe you, costs the PCs the majority there.

00:56:17.280 I guess I would ask you, and we don't have to have a banter, but I would ask you or anyone else, did the People's Alliance have a legitimate policy cause to break away?

00:56:31.300 It's one thing to say he was a PC candidate nominee who didn't get his way, but was there something more?

00:56:37.080 Is there a flaw in the conservative party? Were they not conservative enough?

00:56:41.060 Did they not take on the bilingualism issue enough?

00:56:44.060 Is there something more other than personal vanity?

00:56:47.520 And I ask that because obviously it wasn't just the leader who won. It was other MLAs, too.

00:56:53.680 Appreciate you writing to me, though.

00:56:55.500 Ted writes,

00:56:56.040 Well, that's the thing. There's a little bit of a constitutional dance going on right now.

00:57:13.420 Of the liberal premier claims he can cobble together a majority, but last I saw, the lieutenant government was skeptical of that.

00:57:21.960 I think, in fact, I can't even think of a historical precedent in Canada where you have a center-right party,

00:57:28.880 and the balance of power is held by a party to their right.

00:57:32.160 Almost always the minority coalition dashes to the left.

00:57:36.000 I said this about Alberta.

00:57:38.060 I said that if Jason Kenney forms a majority in that province, which I'm sure he will,

00:57:42.920 I would rather have the opposition be Derek Fildebrandt's conservative freedom party, or whatever it's called,

00:57:49.040 than an NDP or liberal government.

00:57:51.420 Wouldn't you rather have the counterforce to Jason Kenney be on his right rather than his left?

00:57:58.300 Because the media is going to pull him down.

00:57:59.560 Those are our letters for today.

00:58:03.120 What do you think of my interview with Maxime Bernier?

00:58:06.060 I was glad he came on the show.

00:58:07.320 I mean, it shouldn't be remarkable that he came on the show.

00:58:10.860 What's remarkable is that Andrew Scheer has not come on the show,

00:58:14.320 and so many other timid conservatives stay away because Wendy Massey will scold them. 1.00

00:58:18.780 That's one of the favorite things I like about Maxime Bernier.

00:58:22.600 It's one of my favorite things I like about Doug Ford and Donald Trump.

00:58:25.120 They don't listen to the media scolds.

00:58:29.360 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,

00:58:32.640 good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - September 27, 2018

Interview with Maxime Bernier about his new People's Party, immigration and the politically correct media

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