Rebel News Podcast - John Doyle： “The Right Exists as a Money Vacuum to Sell Hope”

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00:00:09.800 John Doyle is a YouTuber and political commentator.

00:00:12.360 You can watch his show on heckoffcommy.com or YouTube.

00:00:16.260 He also frequently appears as a guest commentator on the channel Slightly Offensive with Elijah Schaefer.

00:00:21.900 Thanks for coming on, John. I've become a big fan of your YouTube channel.

00:00:25.320 I see a lot of myself in you. How are you today?

00:00:27.460 Excellent. Thank you, and thank you for having me. Very excited for this.

00:00:31.300 I've been a longtime viewer of the Rebel.

00:00:34.420 Good to hear. I think you do a great job of talking to young men.

00:00:40.000 I don't know if you know who Nelk is, but I think you're the political version of the Nelk boys. 0.82

00:00:44.680 Do you know who they are?

00:00:46.100 Of course. Of course I do.

00:00:47.360 And it's interesting that you say that because I've heard that before.

00:00:50.560 And as a result, my roommate and I were thinking about making a podcast specifically to try to infiltrate that sort of online bro culture.

00:00:59.760 And it would be called Locker Room Talk for obvious reasons.

00:01:02.440 And it would just be like guys bantering, but kind of tied back to a more fundamentally right-wing direction,

00:01:08.260 which I would argue is like the logical result of men being allowed to be masculine.

00:01:12.940 And the wake-up call for that was they were doing a meetup, the Nelk boys in Texas. 1.00

00:01:17.960 They announced it with like 10 hours notice.

00:01:21.260 And so we went just to see, you know, how many people would show up.

00:01:23.780 And there were like 3,000 young men there with no direction, all like looking to get high and drunk and see if they could hook up with some girl.

00:01:30.620 And I was just thinking to myself, imagine if we could channel this energy into something productive for the future of the country.

00:01:36.140 Thus, Locker Room Talk was born as an idea.

00:01:39.020 For sure.

00:01:39.660 And put me on the short list for that show.

00:01:42.920 This is my theory for the last year.

00:01:45.360 We need to combine that sort of feeling, the bro culture, and normalize it with politics just so we can get people having these conversations.

00:01:53.460 And one of the videos I watched of yours recently was about demoralization, particularly, I imagine, of the youth.

00:02:00.080 And I just want to show a clip from one of your latest videos here and get you to explain it in a bit of further detail.

00:02:05.780 So can we go ahead and play that, Justin?

00:02:07.520 The point is that in order to beat you, they have to demoralize you.

00:02:10.160 And in order to demoralize you, they need you constantly plugged in, constantly consuming the propaganda, the fake news, glued to the screens, isolated, locked down.

00:02:17.720 And at a certain point, literally just going outside is a political strategy because it will make you happier and it will make you more effective in the long run.

00:02:24.480 That's right, gamers.

00:02:25.620 Donkey Kong is a political strategy.

00:02:27.920 And this doesn't mean just go crazy, Pleasure Island mode, blow off everything just to go have fun.

00:02:31.040 But it does mean that there is something to be said about taking a few hours every week and just going and doing something that you really enjoy.

00:02:36.800 Not just mindlessly navigating through the internet in the name of relaxation, but like really going out there with the boys and doing something epic.

00:02:43.820 It might sound redundant, but we are the future.

00:02:46.340 And if we're not doing well, if the boys are down bad, then we can't expect the future to be bright or for us to be successful.

00:02:52.060 John, I want you to explain to the viewers who or what is doing the demoralizing in your opinion.

00:02:57.740 I think that there's basically a collective, I guess you'd say, I don't want to say coalition, but that's probably the best way to describe it, of people who occupy the same fundamental narrative and agenda.

00:03:11.580 But as far as where they physically occupy, it would be in the media, the banks, the megacorporations, the power structures in this country explicitly as far as how government works.

00:03:21.180 And I think that they're all basically working in collaboration under the same narrative to demoralize people into submission.

00:03:27.800 And that's kind of what I was getting at there with, you know, Donkey Kong is a political strategy because I was at an arcade and I was playing Donkey Kong, which I'm very skilled at.

00:03:36.900 And I posted something on my Instagram story about it, like, yo, who thinks I could set the high score?

00:03:41.260 And someone responded and they were like, John, President Trump just had the election stolen.

00:03:46.560 The country's on fire and you're playing Donkey Kong. 0.98

00:03:49.220 And I'm like, yeah, you're fucking right. I'm playing Donkey Kong. 0.97

00:03:51.320 Like, what do you want me to do? Like, be depressed?

00:03:53.120 If I'm depressed, I'm not going to want to do anything.

00:03:55.160 I need to know that I'm fighting for something.

00:03:57.880 And if that something can't even be Donkey Kong, then what's the point?

00:04:00.960 And so, like, even as far as people getting locked in their houses, we know that deficiency in vitamin D is indicative of depression or can lead to depression and often does.

00:04:09.260 It's just like being totally locked down and glued in to screens all the time, consuming constant information does over time demoralize you.

00:04:17.740 And so there's something to be said about literally, which is kind of goes against what our business model would be.

00:04:24.020 But we need people to disconnect from time to time and just go outside and, like, participate in their communities.

00:04:30.220 So that's what I was trying to kind of convey to the audience.

00:04:32.720 But that's a somewhat hyperbolic monologue.

00:04:35.360 What's an example you can point to where it's targeted demoralization?

00:04:41.560 In your opinion, I know you mentioned a few in the video, but just for the viewers, what's an example that you think targeted demoralization, let's say, against younger people, maybe 17 to 22 years old?

00:04:51.420 I think that TikTok and Instagram are probably the quintessential examples.

00:04:57.140 And Instagram, like, co-opted the format of TikTok on its own thing called, like, Reels Now.

00:05:02.060 And so you can go in, like, the Explore page.

00:05:05.600 And, like, everything in my Explore page is, like, all, like, political and there's some, like, financial stuff in there.

00:05:10.540 But everybody's Explore page invariably will have videos of young girls, you know, twerking or doing, like, very suggestive dances, wearing, revealing clothing.

00:05:19.460 And that acts as a trigger for a lot of young men to then go and, like, watch pornography or to, you know, go to her page and basically, like, lust after these e-women. 0.97

00:05:27.300 And so I think that demoralizes – everyone knows how it demoralizes women because we've long been having the conversation about female body standards and them feeling as though they have to compete with her. 1.00

00:05:35.320 That's an important conversation.

00:05:36.500 I tend to sympathize more with the young boys, which is, like, them looking at this, like, ideal woman and then being reminded of their inability to sort of interact with a woman of that caliber, so to speak, just because men tend to be much more insecure and antisocial now than probably 30 years ago.

00:05:52.560 And I think this can be reflected throughout the culture but also just through, like, data.

00:05:56.420 Like, if you look at the proportion of men who are just, like, not having sex now compared to 30 years ago, incel culture, all of that stuff.

00:06:03.140 And so I think that, like, putting that in people's faces, knowing that it's for profit to either get them to subscribe to the girl or to go get ad revenue from pornography websites, it's, like, a reminder.

00:06:14.300 Because, like, when you're watching pornography – this is a point that I made in the first video – you know that, like, that's not you.

00:06:19.700 And ideally, you would like to be the guy in the video.

00:06:22.900 But it's almost like a reminder to you subconsciously, like, you're there sitting in your bedroom and, you know, this guy's with the girl or something like that because you know that it's, like, not you doing it.

00:06:31.900 And I think that sort of makes men feel inadequate and as though they aren't really capable of fulfilling their basic biological imperatives.

00:06:39.980 I definitely agree, and I do have a problem with these forms of content, we'll call them, which is a lot of the time it can be a 35-year-old woman just standing there snapping and changing her clothes.

00:06:52.840 And I wonder why an adult woman got to this point, but I digress. 0.99

00:06:57.020 I think that's a good segue to corporate wokeism, especially because it always pops up on these platforms.

00:07:02.940 You see all the trends, everybody participating in, the black square, for example.

00:07:08.200 And it's affecting us, and it's being used in ways that have never been used before, I feel like.

00:07:13.580 And there's a great montage at the start of one of your videos that I recall and that I marked down for us to show right here.

00:07:20.820 Let's go ahead and play this, and we'll talk about it after.

00:07:22.980 KOLA, after an internal memo, showed diversity training where employees were told to be, quote, less white.

00:07:29.420 It's part of a company racism training program.

00:07:31.460 People taking part or giving advice on how to be less white, less arrogant, less certain, less defensive, and less arrogant.

00:07:39.960 A spokesperson for Koch said it's just part of training meant to create a, quote, inclusive workplace.

00:07:46.480 I do.

00:07:47.460 So I think there's a lot of learning that's taking place and a lot of awareness that is happening.

00:07:53.140 I wasn't as aware seven years ago when I had my son about the racist images in a lot of Dr. Seuss' children's books.

00:08:01.460 Sorry, everybody's talking about this morning, that big rebrand of Mr. Potato Head.

00:08:05.140 The classic children's toy now has a gender-neutral name and... 0.99

00:08:08.560 Damn Potato Head. 0.99

00:08:12.300 Always ruining everything. 1.00

00:08:13.420 This is so funny to me.

00:08:14.380 John, I just did a video about Coca-Cola rescinding their diversity initiatives.

00:08:20.240 There's been Goodyear.

00:08:21.560 There's been Red Bull.

00:08:23.180 Why?

00:08:23.940 It turns out that most of these companies have bad results, a lot of them.

00:08:28.900 But why do some companies go all in on this?

00:08:31.220 It seems like even in some cases, they're excusing the money for the ideology.

00:08:35.520 Do you have any explanation why they go, quote, unquote, all in on this sort of stuff?

00:08:40.940 Yeah, I think it can probably be best explained.

00:08:43.880 Well, first, I think we have to start with the sort of, I guess you'd say, parasocial relationship

00:08:49.740 that the right has had with free market capitalism for a long time, maybe about 40 years.

00:08:54.580 And we often forget that this isn't just solidified under right-wing thought.

00:08:58.380 These were debates that were had about whether we wanted protectionism or free trade or total

00:09:02.220 free markets versus regulation.

00:09:05.420 And so now we're at a place where for the last 40 years, we've basically been, I don't

00:09:08.920 want to say shilling, but shilling for the free market.

00:09:11.200 And now it's turning out to result in these megacorporations who are serving against the

00:09:17.300 interests of the American people.

00:09:19.240 And we're pretty confused as to why that's happening.

00:09:21.720 And so if you think about orthodox free market theory, if someone is selling car parts or maybe

00:09:27.820 even like they have a lemonade stand and you go to purchase lemonade and then the person

00:09:31.260 selling the lemonade is like, well, you have to pay 10 cents more because you're white 1.00

00:09:34.300 or here, here's this pamphlet about how you're genetically inferior.

00:09:37.700 You're probably not going to patronize that lemonade stand anymore.

00:09:39.960 But now what we have is such a consolidation of these corporations.

00:09:43.660 And then also what's referred to as the managerial class.

00:09:47.340 So you don't necessarily have bosses and employees anymore.

00:09:50.160 You have all these people occupying middle management whose job is basically to make sure that other

00:09:54.160 people are doing their jobs.

00:09:55.300 And so that presents the opportunity for these sort of mediocre people, you know, hovering

00:09:59.240 around 110 to 125 IQ to come in and be like, well, this is what I learned in my humanities

00:10:03.940 degree.

00:10:04.920 And so this is what we're going to do now.

00:10:06.260 And this is something that I don't want to say baby boomers, but baby boomers tend to 1.00

00:10:10.180 tend to miss, which is that there's always this kind of, oh, well, they're in college right

00:10:15.160 now and they think they're so woke.

00:10:16.600 Well, wait until they get into the real world.

00:10:18.300 And it's like, OK, well, when they get into the real world, they're going to be hired in these

00:10:21.400 positions.

00:10:21.780 And they're going to be the ones making the decisions that will ultimately affect the consumers

00:10:25.660 and the whole culture, whether it's with Potato Head or with Coca-Cola or with any one

00:10:30.480 of these examples that we've seen.

00:10:32.360 And I think a good example would even be right wing content creators.

00:10:35.700 And this is kind of what woke me up to this is like, wait a minute, I'm not making money,

00:10:38.880 but I still care about what I'm doing.

00:10:40.760 I wonder if that translates into companies because, you know, the right always says, well,

00:10:44.220 corporations are just people, right?

00:10:45.780 What if the people care more about sending a message and seeing like a tangible effect in the

00:10:51.760 culture as opposed to like their profits, like if Facebook or Coca-Cola, their profits

00:10:55.760 are down 2 percent, but they get like an actual, you know, result that they're looking to see

00:11:00.660 ideologically within the culture.

00:11:02.180 Are they really going to care that much?

00:11:03.440 Probably not.

00:11:04.100 And I think we're seeing the results of that.

00:11:06.260 You want to just define what you mean by baby boomer?

00:11:08.560 It comes up a lot in your videos.

00:11:10.160 And I think if people don't follow you, they're not going to know what you mean by that.

00:11:13.800 The baby boomers would be, I think, 1945 to 1965.

00:11:18.180 And once you get on either border, it becomes more of a cultural thing.

00:11:22.460 So my dad was 65.

00:11:24.280 So maybe he's not exactly a boomer, but culturally, sometimes he would be a boomer.

00:11:28.580 Boomer, being a baby boomer, really, like my sister even, she's 24.

00:11:32.820 She sometimes is a boomer because that which defines the boomer is simply an inability to 0.97

00:11:38.280 understand that things have changed.

00:11:40.420 And so even some of these libertarian types who still think we're stuck in the Ron Paul

00:11:44.480 revolution, they just can't understand that the country has changed and the culture has

00:11:48.160 changed.

00:11:48.500 And that's really like what defines the boomer.

00:11:51.040 So my next question was going to be, how do we fight against corporate wokeism?

00:11:55.820 Because if there's all these people in middle management and people are destined to go there

00:11:59.720 to play devil's advocate, how are we going to prevent ourselves, let's say, from falling

00:12:03.900 into this trap where we're sort of, we're trying to change a corporate landscape or environment

00:12:10.280 into exactly what we see fit?

00:12:12.580 And I feel like it used to be just about profits over everything.

00:12:15.240 But now we're YouTube is choosing ideology over profits, Microsoft, everybody's doing

00:12:21.300 this.

00:12:21.500 How do we fight against it?

00:12:23.760 So, and a lot of people even on my channel aren't really comfortable with this answer

00:12:28.420 because the right or the dialogue on the right has been so consumed with this idea of small

00:12:33.540 government, let private businesses do what they want.

00:12:36.400 But like, here's the thing.

00:12:37.900 We know that we don't have any representation left in the culture and we know that we can't

00:12:41.680 necessarily expect every person working for these companies to really make a stand because

00:12:45.600 they'll get fired.

00:12:46.320 And then like, what, that you want them to go down and die on this hill and then not

00:12:49.300 be able to provide for their families?

00:12:50.520 Of course not.

00:12:51.600 The way I see it is that we only have, I used to estimate about 10 to 15 years before things

00:12:58.380 would basically be irreparable.

00:12:59.600 Now I'm thinking more like seven.

00:13:01.940 The only institution that we could occupy within the appropriate timeframe.

00:13:07.280 And then also, as far as how easy it is, would be government.

00:13:10.100 We don't have time to take back Hollywood or education.

00:13:12.400 We don't have time to take back corporations and convince them that what they're doing is

00:13:15.420 ultimately destructive to the free markets that foster them.

00:13:19.500 And so what we could do, though, is win elections for the time being.

00:13:22.860 Maybe not federal anymore, but you could win state elections.

00:13:25.620 Like we control like what in America, 26 state governments.

00:13:28.200 But conservatives are still complaining about their freedoms and everything.

00:13:30.560 It's like you have the power to stop that under the 10th Amendment in terms of like COVID restrictions.

00:13:35.000 But even with this, like if you were to, say, raise taxes specifically on businesses who

00:13:41.020 are propagating this like neo-Marxist woke propaganda, that would eventually, I think,

00:13:45.660 incentivize them to at least tone it down.

00:13:48.780 And so then this gets into the, are we ready to wield power effectively as conservatives and

00:13:54.620 abandon this naive sophomoric idea of the power vacuum for the power vacuum's sake, which

00:13:59.740 inexorably is filled with forces that ultimately want to eliminate your representation in that

00:14:04.140 vacuum or even on the sidelines of it?

00:14:06.100 Or do we want to basically sit idly by and allow the destruction of our country to happen

00:14:12.400 through this sort of corporate consolidation of this like homogenous narrative of woke?

00:14:17.580 And if you deviate, you can't even patronize these businesses anymore.

00:14:20.840 You can't attend the schools anymore.

00:14:22.360 They literally, to borrow a term from our friends on the left, will other you in society to where

00:14:27.520 you eventually will have to conform.

00:14:28.980 And even if you don't conform, who cares?

00:14:30.540 You're one percent. 0.71

00:14:31.160 You have no power left.

00:14:33.380 You're with a pretty tight-knit group down there.

00:14:35.800 Do you guys ever, I was thinking about this, the reason I asked, on the way into work this

00:14:40.260 morning, do you ever consider the idea of maybe you should start your own political movement

00:14:45.440 as a different way to use your influence?

00:14:48.940 I mean, what you're saying is essentially we need to start taking things into our own hands

00:14:52.300 and run for government.

00:14:53.780 And that way we can affect real change.

00:14:55.780 I've thought about this.

00:14:56.800 And when I think about the people I'm criticizing in the government, and I criticize them for

00:15:01.020 not being that smart, I ask myself, what's actually stopping me from doing the work?

00:15:06.400 Do you ever get that feeling?

00:15:08.280 Oh, all the time.

00:15:09.140 I think even, if I'm correct, in my state, Greg Abbott has a bill on his desk right now.

00:15:13.940 I'm not sure if it passed in the Senate.

00:15:15.340 But even if it did, I'm sure it would be the same.

00:15:17.600 They have these bills on their desks.

00:15:19.020 And if he signed this bill, it would allow constitutional carry in Texas, which would

00:15:24.000 be one of the biggest victories for gun rights in the last several decades, I think.

00:15:28.020 There's so much inefficiency.

00:15:30.060 And a lot of people like to point to, well, Occam's razor, it's not that they're malicious, 1.00

00:15:33.320 it's that they're stupid. 1.00

00:15:34.300 It's like, no, because if you assume, and I would even argue that there's more stupidity 1.00

00:15:37.980 on the left than the right. 0.99

00:15:38.940 But if you assume there's roughly an equal distribution on both sides, why is it that the left is so much

00:15:42.840 more capable of wielding power than the right?

00:15:46.620 I think it's because the right basically exists as a money vacuum to basically sell hope to the

00:15:51.680 American people and then not actually enact real change. 0.92

00:15:54.600 So yeah, local government is something that I think is often overlooked.

00:15:58.020 As far as myself starting some sort of movement, I don't think that I right now have the network

00:16:03.860 or the ambience to do that.

00:16:08.060 I think that people are hesitant to take young people seriously because there's sort of this

00:16:12.280 like, well, he's because especially adults, they either they react one of two ways.

00:16:17.060 There's very little middle ground.

00:16:18.240 They either, oh, he gives me hope for the future.

00:16:20.000 Or what does this kid know?

00:16:21.300 He's just a punk.

00:16:22.220 And so it's kind of like, you know, the reality of our situation.

00:16:24.660 But maybe a few years down the road.

00:16:27.420 I encourage you to move to Canada, my friend.

00:16:29.500 There is no age too young for a member of parliament here because there's so many seats for people

00:16:33.720 to wield.

00:16:35.000 There's people who've been elected at 22 here in the last couple of elections.

00:16:39.000 I want to transition to logical fallacies because one I see in a lot of your straighter

00:16:43.360 videos and I've experienced myself doing the same sort of thing is the appeal to authority.

00:16:48.400 And we're seeing that a lot these days, specifically with medicine and doctors.

00:16:52.800 And there's a great example of it.

00:16:54.220 While it's not about that sort of thing, it's a great example of an appeal to authority.

00:16:58.260 Let's go ahead and play that clip, please, Justin.

00:17:00.240 Yeah, there are.

00:17:00.960 What is, is that like, just there's...

00:17:02.620 The National Association of Firefighters.

00:17:05.180 Is that just because, like, you think that they're going to help fight fires better?

00:17:09.640 Is there something like, specifically with them cutting your jobs or something like that?

00:17:12.640 Because both of my sons are firefighters.

00:17:14.620 So there you have it.

00:17:16.320 Well, I understand that.

00:17:17.060 But like, why would that compel you to support Biden over like Trump, them being firefighters? 1.00

00:17:22.100 Support the pussy grabber? 1.00

00:17:23.280 No, I'm not doing it. 0.99

00:17:24.480 But what does that have to do with fighting fires?

00:17:26.680 I am supporting my whole family.

00:17:29.300 I am here to represent my whole family, to support Biden-Harris.

00:17:34.680 Immigrants, GBLTQ, women, a lot of strong women.

00:17:40.220 So what are you guys doing?

00:17:41.400 I'm just asking.

00:17:42.040 I'm just wondering what that has to do with fighting fires.

00:17:45.240 Their union is supporting Biden and Harris.

00:17:48.200 Yeah.

00:17:48.480 I was just wondering why, like, over Trump as a firefighting union.

00:17:52.800 Because they know what's right.

00:17:54.140 They know who to support.

00:17:55.400 With fighting fires or just in general?

00:17:57.100 It's the union that is fighting, that is supporting Biden-Harris.

00:18:02.700 It's not supposed to be like a gotcha question.

00:18:04.380 I'm just wondering, you know, like the UAW might go one way.

00:18:06.700 How much more do I have to explain it to you?

00:18:08.700 Probably a lot.

00:18:09.460 I'm not really getting it.

00:18:10.400 Well, then take a hike.

00:18:11.340 Okay. 1.00

00:18:11.840 She called me a dumbass. 1.00

00:18:13.480 The GLBTQ, John. 1.00

00:18:15.280 Don't you understand?

00:18:16.140 It was such a simple question.

00:18:17.360 And she literally could not understand what I was asking.

00:18:20.480 Like, she was just looking.

00:18:21.620 I walked up to her. 1.00

00:18:22.300 It's the union's dumbass. 1.00

00:18:24.340 Yeah. 1.00

00:18:24.600 I wasn't even wearing any, like, you know, like Space Force or anything political.

00:18:28.260 She was just looking for a fight. 1.00

00:18:31.000 I want to ask, are you seeing this a lot today with the doctors and the nurses?

00:18:35.320 I mean, I see, I get these emails that are like, why can't you listen to the doctors?

00:18:39.000 You're not a virologist.

00:18:40.060 You're killing people.

00:18:41.240 What is this?

00:18:41.820 And this woman, of course, is trying to say that because firefighters, and she kind of

00:18:46.580 says it, because firefighters are voting for Biden and Harris, therefore, I trust their

00:18:51.480 opinion and they're so smart and better than me that they know what's right and I don't

00:18:55.340 need an actual reason to support Biden or Harris so long as this union is supporting

00:19:01.920 that.

00:19:03.160 Where is all this coming from?

00:19:04.800 Is it just easier to appeal to somebody who's not you for your opinions?

00:19:11.120 Literally.

00:19:11.580 And that's what's so beautiful about the appeal to authority is it's like, and that's what's

00:19:15.780 kind of tricky about it too, is instead of thinking about something and whether or not

00:19:19.740 it's true, you just default to this expert or person, you know, this lab coat says it's

00:19:24.920 true.

00:19:25.380 Therefore, it must be true, which of course is fallacious because it might actually not be

00:19:29.080 true.

00:19:29.320 But I think this even stems back to what defines leftism.

00:19:33.860 A lot of people think that like, you know, left versus right is just a matter of, you

00:19:37.300 know, agreeing, disagreeing.

00:19:39.000 There's actually a pretty large biological component to it.

00:19:42.740 And a lot of it is based on someone's sense of themselves.

00:19:47.100 And there was a good philosopher who actually theorized that leftism is basically a concoction

00:19:52.020 of insecurity and over-socialization.

00:19:54.160 Do you think about like even markets, for example, versus like a leftist system of economics?

00:20:00.360 If we're conservatives, we know that we're going to have to compete to make money, but

00:20:03.840 we're okay with doing that because we feel as though we'd probably be held back if everything

00:20:07.140 were like distributed equally.

00:20:08.740 Leftism is the opposite.

00:20:09.820 They feel inadequate.

00:20:11.000 They feel insecure.

00:20:11.880 They're spiritually ill, which is why you look at the mugshots of the people who are fighting

00:20:15.180 the most intensely for this cause, the Antifa people. 0.99

00:20:18.460 They all look like they are taking SSRIs and they have mental disorders. 0.90

00:20:21.760 And this is not said to disparage them.

00:20:23.260 It's just said to kind of analyze the mental state that you have to be in to support these

00:20:26.880 policies and to dedicate yourself to these movements.

00:20:28.920 And so if you are that person, you are insecure.

00:20:33.020 You're not very sure of yourself.

00:20:34.500 You're not confident.

00:20:35.860 Naturally, it would make sense that you default to what other people are saying, whether that's

00:20:39.680 the media narratives, whether that's the figures that are held up like Fauci, Bill Gates.

00:20:43.660 Well, they said it.

00:20:44.320 Therefore, it must be true.

00:20:45.540 It is abdicating the responsibility that you have in a free society to think for yourself

00:20:51.320 to other people.

00:20:52.740 And then what you provide is sort of the militancy, like, well, I'm going to enforce this.

00:20:56.700 You're killing my grandma and stuff like that. 0.85

00:20:58.920 And it's just it's very easy to take advantage of those types of people.

00:21:03.380 And I think they've done that very effectively.

00:21:05.540 What I have a big problem with is the idea that there is a lack of bias in these fields,

00:21:10.360 whether it's like we said, the doctors or CNN or choose your firefighters.

00:21:16.200 Even I'm sure there's probably a lot of right wing firefighters.

00:21:19.860 Where do we go to find the last bastion of unbiased people?

00:21:25.940 Does that exist?

00:21:27.320 Is it can we trust judges at this point?

00:21:30.000 Is there a place where we can look to where people are still going to be impartial, in

00:21:33.100 your opinion?

00:21:34.620 No, I thought it was the military.

00:21:36.800 That was the last thing that I felt as though I could be proud of in this country.

00:21:40.240 And then that got compromised.

00:21:42.220 So right now I see no institution or even coalition of people in this country who I would

00:21:49.080 trust other than, you know, my own people.

00:21:51.420 But yeah, things are things are pretty bad.

00:21:54.320 And I can be honest on this channel.

00:21:56.060 If it were on my channel, I'd be like, we're going to make it.

00:21:58.160 But I can be totally honest.

00:22:00.020 I don't have to rally your troops.

00:22:01.680 So no, it's not looking good.

00:22:04.020 Along the same lines, one of the I love these four person debates that are on slightly offensive,

00:22:09.460 where it has everybody in the corner.

00:22:11.500 A lot of laughs and lots of thinking going on there.

00:22:15.040 One I want to reference is the one where you guys talk about something called Blue Anon.

00:22:18.740 And I want to hammer you down and get you to tell me if this is a real thing or not.

00:22:23.680 Let's play that clip, Justin.

00:22:25.280 If you're not familiar with this, this is actually a loosely organized group of Democrat voters.

00:22:29.660 We've also seen this as recently even inspire terrorism at the Capitol building when a Nation

00:22:35.100 of Islam follower actually ended up killing a Capitol police officer.

00:22:39.040 So this actually leads to terrorism.

00:22:40.620 This is a very dangerous group of Democrats, politicians, and media personalities who spread

00:22:45.360 left-wing conspiracy theories such as the Russia hoax, the Ukraine hoax, Brett Kavanaugh.

00:22:50.220 But it's a lot worse, John.

00:22:51.460 I'm telling you, this gets a lot worse, which is why we're talking about this today.

00:22:54.420 They've even done things like spread the fact that obesity is healthy.

00:23:00.760 They've also spread—I know, I know.

00:23:02.900 That fatness is good.

00:23:04.220 And on top of that, which we're going to find out, that's actually killed more people

00:23:06.980 than COVID, that lie, right?

00:23:08.600 They've killed more people than the virus in the United States, and I'll explain why.

00:23:12.500 But also, too, they've also spread the lie that we have the most popular president in

00:23:15.720 history.

00:23:17.760 Fit at any weight, John, I believe is the term.

00:23:20.720 Or fat and healthy, I believe, is the other term.

00:23:22.880 Are we—is this a real thing?

00:23:24.480 Or are we grouping together the DNC or far-left sycophants in a hilarious meme?

00:23:29.320 So, Blue Anon was something that Elijah just threw at me.

00:23:34.600 I had never heard of it before, but I think it's basically true, whether that's—I remember

00:23:40.380 even saying this in my videos, like, a few years ago, that, like, you know, the—it's

00:23:43.980 Mueller time, you know, the whole meme of, like, he's going to come in.

00:23:46.700 That was, like, the equivalent of, like, Q on the right.

00:23:49.160 Like, just trust the plan.

00:23:50.500 You know, genius prosecutor.

00:23:52.220 Whole family's going to be in prison.

00:23:53.420 And if you ask them about that, even the people who were posting the hardest about

00:23:57.360 it on Facebook, if you ask them about that now, they just won't even acknowledge it.

00:24:00.440 It's, like, totally memory-hold.

00:24:02.080 Or even with—you had Russiagate, you had the Ukraine thing.

00:24:06.740 You know, he's allied with both Russia and Ukraine.

00:24:09.560 Disregard the geopolitical inconsistency there.

00:24:11.760 It's just, like, these people literally cannot think for themselves.

00:24:15.460 And I don't—honestly, I don't think that that's abnormal.

00:24:17.840 I don't even think that's something necessarily bad.

00:24:19.500 I think that that's something that we need to kind of acknowledge and work with, because

00:24:23.260 we tend to think that everyone wants to read the news as much as we do, or everyone wants

00:24:28.100 to, like, really think about this stuff as much as we do.

00:24:30.100 But it's, like, people fundamentally, I don't think, have agency.

00:24:32.400 I think they just like to perhaps naively think that they can turn on and just trust what

00:24:35.940 the screen people are telling them.

00:24:37.180 And so the problem is that our screen people are lying to achieve a nefarious agenda.

00:24:41.960 So, yeah, and that's the other thing, too.

00:24:44.180 You know, the real black pill about when this is all over and we win is that you're going

00:24:49.180 to have these same types of people saying, yeah, you know, I guess the 2020s were kind

00:24:53.620 of crazy, but, you know, I always thought it was all kind of crazy.

00:24:56.820 Like, they're literally not going to be able to understand how this is different, because

00:25:00.380 they're just following exactly what is being parroted to them by these talking heads.

00:25:05.520 Yeah, I was going to mention Jussie Smollett and Justice Kavanaugh, and I was going to ask

00:25:10.200 you how—why is it so much easier to jump onto these ideas?

00:25:14.400 Is it just because it's presented in front of them more often than the other side of the story?

00:25:19.180 Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it.

00:25:20.940 And they think that those are their allies, and then we are their enemies.

00:25:25.380 And so it's a very simple kind of like, okay, I recognize that, you know, Anderson Cooper

00:25:29.600 and John Miller—or not John Miller, that's the Blaze guy, Don Lemon.

00:25:34.380 It's kind of funny.

00:25:34.940 They kind of look alike.

00:25:35.800 Don Lemon, my friend.

00:25:37.500 And so I'm going to just listen to what he says.

00:25:39.300 And then it's also like the—especially in school, because I just got out of high school

00:25:44.760 a few years ago.

00:25:45.400 It's like this is like the narrative and the teachers in agreement.

00:25:48.600 And so to be the dissenting voice requires a level of courage that, you know, is noble,

00:25:54.640 but really has never been expected before, at least in recent society in America.

00:25:59.340 And then it's like the people in the middle who don't really have an interest in politics.

00:26:02.520 They're apolitical, give or take, one or two topics.

00:26:05.720 Those are the people whose minds are going to be shifted, and then eventually they hear

00:26:08.760 this thing, you know, over and over again in their schools and then in the media, and

00:26:12.000 that just eventually will crystallize as the truth.

00:26:14.880 And then if anybody dissents against that, they're like, well, what are you talking about?

00:26:17.880 You're just incorrect.

00:26:18.940 It's not even worth debating.

00:26:20.040 It's settled.

00:26:20.520 The science is settled.

00:26:22.580 Yeah, it happens that way all the time.

00:26:24.940 I know so much what I'm talking about that I can't give you an example and I can't explain

00:26:28.620 my position.

00:26:29.120 That's one of my favorite things about your videos is calling the people out for not being

00:26:34.100 able to even articulate their opinion, even though they're so sure about it.

00:26:38.280 You say, this is the state of discourse with white women. 1.00

00:26:42.240 We must end them now.

00:26:43.960 That's a good point.

00:26:45.040 Go ahead.

00:26:47.160 On white women, it's true. 1.00

00:26:59.120 Okay, John, I asked Bryson Gray, by the way, we're behind the paywall.

00:27:11.920 I always encourage eating, drinking, shirtlessness, only the male guests, and I want to get into 1.00

00:27:18.520 this right now.

00:27:19.060 I asked Bryson Gray the same question, what your take on is on LGBT and Christianity, and

00:27:26.000 I want to, it's from the same clip that I asked Bryson about, actually, from one of those

00:27:30.060 slightly offensive debates, transgenderism and LGBTQ.

00:27:34.400 Let's go ahead and roll that.

00:27:35.520 ...place in the New Testament that really touches on the relationship of Christians to government.

00:27:40.940 And what does it say?

00:27:42.040 It says they should pray for the people in leadership so that they may live peaceful

00:27:46.120 and quiet lives in godliness and holiness.

00:27:48.920 So what does that mean?

00:27:49.840 It means that we should be working on electing a government that allows people to practice 1.00

00:27:54.480 whatever religion they want and to live peaceful and quiet lives in godliness and holiness.

00:27:59.480 And the only way that we can do that is by creating a broad coalition of voters who win

00:28:04.720 elections.

00:28:05.380 That's what we should be talking about, first and foremost, is how we win elections.

00:28:10.580 Before we go, I'm going to go to John because John was sort of laughing during that.

00:28:14.940 And so why are you laughing? 0.91

00:28:16.200 I was humored by the biblical substantiation for having more gay people in government.

00:28:20.860 I just thought that was kind of funny.

00:28:21.920 It's a great clip, John.

00:28:22.880 I want to know, is Christianity being watered down, are the beliefs being watered down to

00:28:27.660 be more mainstream or to appeal to a wider audience?

00:28:31.420 Oh, unequivocally.

00:28:33.100 And yeah, as far as your first question, homosexuality and Christianity are fundamentally incompatible. 0.91

00:28:38.880 And what that woman was trying to pass off is this very common leftist understanding of 0.77

00:28:44.560 Christianity, which is that Jesus was basically this hippie who just told us to be vaguely nice

00:28:49.860 to each other.

00:28:50.640 And it's like, once you get past Sunday school Jesus, actual Jesus was like, not that nice.

00:28:55.300 And, you know, we shouldn't expect him to be.

00:28:56.680 But yeah, I mean, even even.

00:29:00.020 Oh, I guess I'll keep going on the first part.

00:29:02.040 And this is even prophesied in the Bible, too, that like, not to say that we're in the end

00:29:06.780 times, but as they approach the those who claim to be preaching the word of God will

00:29:12.040 start, you know, widening that that, I guess, net to sort of include things that are fundamentally

00:29:17.200 against that, which would be homosexuality and all other types of adjacent deviancy.

00:29:21.940 And so, yeah, I think that Christianity has lost a lot of footing in the culture.

00:29:28.120 And I think that there are some people who think that the way to get that back is by compromising

00:29:32.760 on what it actually is.

00:29:34.020 I think that's misguided and perhaps even malicious.

00:29:38.180 So I think that there's there's a lot of people who are kind of hungry for that that

00:29:42.060 authentic Christianity to return. 0.94

00:29:44.500 And I think that that would be what is necessary for the country to really make a comeback on a

00:29:48.500 wide scale.

00:29:49.100 I think people are hungry for it all across the board, especially in politics.

00:29:54.280 When I look at our politicians now, the ones that claim to be Republican or conservative

00:29:58.720 up here, they don't really stand for much.

00:30:01.820 They even what they said they stood for two years ago, five years ago, we can go back to

00:30:06.580 pre-Trump eras.

00:30:07.540 They don't really stand for anything that I can see.

00:30:10.480 I mean, there are low hanging fruits like China, but even things like censorship.

00:30:14.180 I mean, how long has Ted Cruz been saying we have to do something about censorship and

00:30:19.800 I'm going to be the one who stops it?

00:30:21.400 How many times did Trump say it?

00:30:22.780 So I think across the board, not just in Christianity, in terms of people actually sticking up for

00:30:27.220 what they believe in and sticking to their guns, even when it may be coming with a Twitter

00:30:31.460 ban or if it comes with a demonetization, people still want to see people stand up for

00:30:37.420 what they believe in.

00:30:38.120 Because as soon as you start changing, that's when people start thinking you're weak and

00:30:42.060 I'm calling out you, Dwayne The Rock Johnson.

00:30:44.880 I want to transition to censorship and how it pertains to your online presence and your

00:30:51.300 social media.

00:30:52.480 Do you have a strategy with how you combat online censorship or deranking or delisting?

00:30:58.540 And remember, you're on the paywall so you can reveal your secrets.

00:31:02.920 Not necessarily in terms of censorship.

00:31:06.200 I'm pretty careful with what I say.

00:31:10.120 And I think we have to be if we're going to be on this platform.

00:31:12.900 I think that I sort of have this like utilitarian view where if I can, you know, red pill 10,000

00:31:18.000 people on this topic, is it really worth like getting banned instantly for talking about this

00:31:22.500 other topic?

00:31:23.140 I don't think so.

00:31:25.940 Do you think we should be driving people directly to websites more?

00:31:29.280 Like, sort of like a 2005 view I have of things where I'm waking up or I'm coming home from

00:31:36.100 school and I'm going directly to websites instead of just social media feeds?

00:31:40.640 Yeah.

00:31:41.560 I've never done that, but I think that's a good idea.

00:31:44.080 I don't know if they would catch on to that.

00:31:46.220 That's probably a good way to do it without being on the radar in terms of like, even you're

00:31:50.220 like, I direct people to my website, but there's not like things on there that are much more

00:31:53.940 controversial than what I talk about.

00:31:55.640 But I've always had what I refer to as the gateway drug strategy, and this is an epiphany

00:32:01.200 I had in Starbucks, actually.

00:32:03.520 I was working on research for a video on like the UN's Declaration of Human Rights, and I

00:32:07.440 just kind of thought to myself, like, no one's ever going to send this video out.

00:32:12.040 Like, dude, you need to see what this kid has to say about this.

00:32:14.380 And then I realized people watch Ben Shapiro-owned compilations, not because they want to take

00:32:20.040 notes and learn something, but because they're entertaining.

00:32:22.440 That is the key.

00:32:23.140 You need to make entertaining content that is vaguely political, and that's going to

00:32:26.620 blow up. 0.92

00:32:27.460 See if you can retain 10% of those people, and that's how you grow a channel.

00:32:30.460 And that's kind of what I figured out.

00:32:31.560 And so the first one that I did was after I had that epiphany, I called my buddy, and

00:32:36.440 I was like, hey, do you want to bring a Glock into Whole Foods and act gay? 0.93

00:32:39.600 He's like, sure.

00:32:40.260 So that's like what we did to see how people react.

00:32:42.580 Yeah.

00:32:42.800 And so that video got like a couple million views, and then my channel had enough subscribers

00:32:46.980 to be self-sustaining.

00:32:48.100 Same thing at the protests.

00:32:49.120 I enjoy talking to people.

00:32:51.060 I'm always very polite.

00:32:52.740 But as far as what I really care about, that's not really it.

00:32:56.120 And so that I do every now and then when I have the opportunity or when I feel inclined,

00:33:00.320 because I know it's going to do well and bring that 10% of viewers around for every other

00:33:04.880 video where we talk about more substantive and important things.

00:33:08.100 And so that's proved to be pretty effective, I think.

00:33:11.400 You need to write down more owning videos.

00:33:14.500 Literally, yes.

00:33:15.400 More owning.

00:33:16.160 There's a reason.

00:33:17.040 And even I remember people were posting my videos that I did in the 2020 election of

00:33:22.680 like, you know, owning these libs at protests.

00:33:24.380 And they were like, owning the libs compilations are back.

00:33:26.860 Nature is healing.

00:33:27.880 And it's like, yes, they are back.

00:33:30.080 I try to invite a lot of the politicians, even mayors and stuff like that, on to talk to

00:33:36.420 me.

00:33:36.520 They don't want to do it.

00:33:37.240 They don't, the idea of actually defending one's views or even explaining, I'll give

00:33:42.780 you a couple of examples.

00:33:44.880 There was a protest with two elected politicians east of here, about an hour and a half east, 0.76

00:33:51.480 and politicians were ticketed, COVID violations, and the mayor told them to stay the fuck home 0.99

00:33:56.840 because our town doesn't want you. 0.97

00:33:59.500 And then there's another mayor west, about an hour west of where we are in Toronto, who

00:34:04.260 has rolled out a race-specific vaccine program.

00:34:07.440 If you're non-white, then you can get a vaccine first. 1.00

00:34:10.540 Nobody wants to talk about this. 0.77

00:34:12.040 They can't even respond in an email format.

00:34:16.000 So it's a really sad state of affairs, but I'm triple underlining more owning.

00:34:20.460 So hopefully we can get that done.

00:34:21.840 I want to ask you as a final question, which politicians that you, do you actually like

00:34:26.580 or support, if any, that exist in office right now?

00:34:31.300 I like Ron DeSantis.

00:34:32.620 I like, I still like Trump.

00:34:41.180 It's hard these days, isn't it?

00:34:43.160 Maybe Rand Paul.

00:34:46.040 And that's probably going to be about it, yeah.

00:34:52.300 It's a difficult task these days.

00:34:54.800 I mean, you've got to take the good with the bad, but these days, the people who are actually

00:34:58.520 standing up, like we've discussed, and fighting for what they believe in, is forever dwindling.

00:35:03.300 I want to give you the last word, and you're a very smart guy.

00:35:06.400 Suggest a book for me to read, and I will buy it and read it.

00:35:09.040 Any particular topic?

00:35:12.780 I wanted to ask Michael Knowles about a Christopher Columbus book, but he won't respond to my DMs.

00:35:18.860 Too cool for reveling.

00:35:20.240 Wow.

00:35:21.820 I don't have any books on Columbus.

00:35:23.940 What about free markets?

00:35:28.720 You're talking a lot about that.

00:35:31.200 Well, I would recommend books that would probably criticize purely free markets.

00:35:35.500 But okay, so I will say there's, what is it called?

00:35:39.680 Ian Fletching.

00:35:41.460 I think it's literally called free trade doesn't work.

00:35:43.900 What should replace it and why?

00:35:45.400 And it's a critique of basically the free trade policy that has bankrupted America specifically

00:35:50.520 and transferred a lot of wealth to countries like China.

00:35:53.300 And it makes a lot of really compelling arguments.

00:35:54.920 Like, you know, we sort of have this fixation, like we talked about earlier, of like, America

00:35:58.160 was built by free trade.

00:35:59.460 It's like, that's actually not true.

00:36:00.800 America was built by protectionism.

00:36:02.340 Virtually every founding father or American figure who's on Mount Rushmore was a protectionist.

00:36:07.020 And that's how Japan rebuilt their wealth after World War II, is like, through things

00:36:10.260 like protectionism.

00:36:11.760 But as far as what I would generally recommend, I've been reading a lot of post-liberal books,

00:36:18.260 sort of preparing for what's to come, since I think liberalism has basically proved to

00:36:22.240 be insolvent.

00:36:23.980 So that would be like Patrick Deenan, Why Liberalism Failed, James Burnham is Good, Suicide of the

00:36:30.520 West.

00:36:30.740 That's an older one, too.

00:36:31.660 That was like 1964.

00:36:34.200 Christopher Lash, I think.

00:36:37.260 Yeah, there's a lot that you could read.

00:36:38.840 I have a book list, too, on my website that you could check out if you're interested.

00:36:41.900 I certainly will.

00:36:43.280 And just for anyone else watching, that's a list of books to burn, you guys.

00:36:46.980 So John Doyle, heckoffcommy.com is the website and the show.

00:36:50.640 You can see him on Slightly Offensive, like I said.

00:36:52.760 Any final words for our audience, John?

00:36:55.980 Keep the head up, boys.

00:36:57.340 We're going to make it.

00:36:58.460 It's going to get worse, but we will make it.

00:37:00.680 For the boys, I hope we both can do something with Nelk.

00:37:03.500 I appreciate you coming on.

00:37:06.220 Best of luck for everything moving forward.

00:37:08.600 And everybody go to his website, heckoffcommy.com.

00:37:11.200 Thanks a lot, John.

00:37:12.420 Thank you for having me.

00:37:13.260 See you next week.

00:37:19.100 Bye.

00:37:20.000 Bye.

00:37:20.240 Bye.

00:37:20.440 Bye.

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Rebel News Podcast - May 07, 2021

John Doyle： “The Right Exists as a Money Vacuum to Sell Hope”

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