Rebel News Podcast - INTERVIEW： Pro-life advocate Laura Klassen

00:00:00.000 Adam Sos here for Rebel News on the Gun Show podcast.

00:00:04.500 I am going to be your guest host for the day.

00:00:07.240 Sheila's off covering an important story,

00:00:09.520 and so she's allowed me the honor of filling in for her.

00:00:12.600 I'm going to be joined today by our special guest,

00:00:14.460 Laura Klassen, for an interview.

00:00:16.520 Laura is the founder of Choice for Two

00:00:18.400 and a pro-life advocate with a great history

00:00:21.600 of online viral videos,

00:00:23.520 as well as a great deal of service

00:00:25.640 towards women facing difficult pregnancies.

00:00:27.920 So we're going to share and discuss with her.

00:00:30.640 If you enjoy the podcast, be sure to go to rebelnews.com.

00:00:33.300 You can watch the video version of the interview,

00:00:35.360 and you can also check out some of our other great shows.

00:00:38.580 I hope you enjoy the podcast.

00:00:40.000 Thanks for tuning in.

00:00:45.340 You're listening to a Rebel News podcast.

00:00:55.480 Hello, Rebels. 0.96

00:00:56.220 Adam Sos covering for Sheila Gunn-Reed today

00:00:58.780 on the Gun Show.

00:01:17.820 Sheila Gunn-Reed is out in the field covering a story,

00:01:20.080 doing important work,

00:01:20.920 so I'm going to do my very best to fill her shoes today.

00:01:24.540 I'm going to be joined by Laura Klassen in a moment.

00:01:27.740 Now, many of you likely know Laura Klassen

00:01:29.740 from the viral videos her organization Choice for Two

00:01:32.740 has put out,

00:01:33.760 and we're going to talk about that work soon.

00:01:35.540 But Choice for Two also does very important outreach

00:01:37.800 and support work for women facing challenging pregnancies.

00:01:42.620 Laura has been an outspoken advocate

00:01:44.380 and a viral sensation in the pro-life movement

00:01:46.960 over the past couple of years,

00:01:48.400 and it's my great honor to welcome her onto the Gunn Show.

00:02:05.860 Laura, thanks so much for joining me today.

00:02:08.560 Many of our viewers probably are familiar with your work.

00:02:11.360 For those who are not,

00:02:13.360 I thought it might just be a good idea

00:02:14.920 for you to share a little bit about

00:02:16.600 why you decided to become a pro-life advocate.

00:02:19.880 It's not necessarily a field that is easy to get into.

00:02:23.880 So if you could just share a little bit

00:02:24.980 about why this is such a strong conviction for you personally

00:02:27.400 and how you came to this point in your life.

00:02:30.440 Okay.

00:02:31.260 Well, I think the main reason I'm anti-abortion

00:02:33.920 is because I'm a Christian.

00:02:35.400 And so a lot of my views come out of that.

00:02:41.040 But I went to school for theater and music

00:02:45.020 and, yeah, I was working professionally in an opera company

00:02:48.880 and at the same time starting Choice for Two.

00:02:52.320 And I just really felt that it was, you know,

00:02:56.840 worth essentially leaving my job for

00:02:59.260 because I realized what abortion is.

00:03:02.580 And, you know, it's the slaughter of humans

00:03:06.320 before they're born.

00:03:07.920 And, yeah, it's not an easy thing to get into this movement

00:03:12.480 because you are not politically correct

00:03:16.000 according to, you know, the standards of the media

00:03:18.660 and the culture as a whole.

00:03:21.580 But I just felt so strongly about it

00:03:24.940 once I realized what abortion was

00:03:26.600 and once I realized how huge it is in our country.

00:03:30.200 And I realized Canadians have no idea what's going on. 0.99

00:03:34.040 Yeah.

00:03:34.560 So at what point was this, though?

00:03:36.300 Was this like a conviction you had as a Christian

00:03:38.000 throughout your life?

00:03:38.900 Or was there like a moment where you're like,

00:03:40.660 oh, my God, like when did it happen

00:03:42.040 that you had this sort of awakening to realize

00:03:43.920 this is what's going on

00:03:45.300 and I absolutely need to do something about it?

00:03:48.540 Oh, when I was a really young child,

00:03:50.340 I saw the people standing at the side of the road

00:03:52.240 with the graphic images and I saw that.

00:03:54.980 And it was at that moment when I realized this is wrong.

00:03:57.620 And as I grew older, I learned more and more about it.

00:04:01.740 I started volunteering at our local pregnancy resource center.

00:04:06.140 And there is where I really got the idea

00:04:08.760 to start Choice for Two

00:04:10.160 to do specifically the things that we're doing.

00:04:12.940 So now you mentioned that most Canadians

00:04:15.740 don't know what's going on.

00:04:17.980 And I think to a staggering degree,

00:04:19.880 most Canadians, when you talk to them

00:04:21.380 about what the legal status surrounding abortion is in Canada,

00:04:24.460 they literally won't believe you.

00:04:26.080 You often have to pull up resources to prove it to them.

00:04:29.020 So for many viewers who aren't familiar

00:04:30.520 with the status, legal status of abortion in Canada,

00:04:33.300 could you sort of give us the rundown?

00:04:36.500 Sure.

00:04:37.080 Well, Canada is the only Western country

00:04:40.440 that does not have an abortion law,

00:04:42.740 meaning it's legal to get an abortion

00:04:44.940 at any point throughout your pregnancy for any reason.

00:04:49.720 So for any reason whatsoever,

00:04:51.400 for the entire duration of a pregnancy,

00:04:53.280 it is legal in Canada to have an abortion.

00:04:55.540 Just for those of you who don't know that,

00:04:57.600 look it up, pull up Wikipedia,

00:04:58.840 whatever you want to do.

00:04:59.620 That is the current status of laws

00:05:01.960 surrounding abortion in Canada.

00:05:04.040 It's pretty staggering.

00:05:05.180 Now, you mentioned also that around that time,

00:05:06.980 you started working on Choice for Two.

00:05:09.600 Can you tell us a little bit about the organization?

00:05:12.580 Sure.

00:05:12.920 So it's an anti-abortion organization.

00:05:15.500 And we kind of have two goals.

00:05:17.460 On the one hand, we're working to educate the public

00:05:21.060 on abortion and what it is,

00:05:23.720 and hopefully encouraging people to get involved

00:05:26.860 toward ending it.

00:05:28.460 And on the other side of things,

00:05:29.800 we are connecting with women who are considering abortion

00:05:33.380 and able to speak with them

00:05:35.820 and offer real practical help

00:05:37.760 to get them through the crisis that they're facing,

00:05:41.720 because the pregnancy is not the crisis.

00:05:44.200 It's all these other situations in the woman's life. 0.61

00:05:47.440 So we help her with that

00:05:48.980 so that she is able to not murder her child.

00:05:53.260 And I think I've seen some of the campaigns,

00:05:55.620 like you'll post, you'll have someone verify this.

00:05:58.260 So it's very sort of on the level.

00:05:59.820 You'll go confirm that the person is in the situation.

00:06:02.800 It isn't a questionable circumstance

00:06:04.600 or someone trying to take advantage of you.

00:06:06.540 And once that's confirmed, you guys, what's the process?

00:06:10.060 What do you do to help a person

00:06:12.000 who's experiencing a difficult pregnancy?

00:06:15.260 Right. Well, a lot of it is emotional support.

00:06:18.180 And we have people on our team

00:06:19.900 constantly in touch with women.

00:06:22.480 As you mentioned, we have in-person meeting

00:06:25.120 with people that we set up any sort of fundraiser

00:06:27.560 or baby registry for.

00:06:29.160 So they are verified in person.

00:06:31.680 They have to prove who they are.

00:06:33.780 They have to prove that they're pregnant, 1.00

00:06:34.860 that kind of thing.

00:06:35.500 Because unfortunately, there are so many scammers

00:06:38.080 and they do target our organization.

00:06:40.800 And so once the person meets in person

00:06:44.420 and also us speaking with the woman,

00:06:47.420 we figure out what her needs are.

00:06:49.420 And we can pretty much do like almost anything

00:06:52.860 that she would need.

00:06:53.840 I mean, we've paid rent.

00:06:56.400 Today, we bought groceries for a woman in Texas, 0.96

00:06:59.180 like all kinds of random stuff.

00:07:01.360 We paid for babysitting

00:07:02.640 so a woman could finish her college degree. 1.00

00:07:04.580 And then we do the baby registries

00:07:06.860 where we create a registry

00:07:08.160 for all the things that she needs or wants.

00:07:11.540 And we post it online

00:07:12.480 and people can buy items off there.

00:07:14.380 And then it gets delivered directly to her.

00:07:17.060 Well, and I think very often

00:07:18.440 you'll hear people say that,

00:07:19.940 well, you're pro-birth,

00:07:21.140 but you don't really care

00:07:22.080 about the mother or the baby.

00:07:23.580 And I mean, this is probably

00:07:25.040 one of the strongest counterpoints

00:07:26.480 because I'll see you post an Amazon registry.

00:07:29.220 That's like an entire baby registry,

00:07:31.360 like for a full baby shower.

00:07:32.740 And the thing is gone

00:07:34.140 and they've sold out within a day, right?

00:07:37.780 Usually an hour.

00:07:38.860 Usually an hour.

00:07:40.240 So you're providing everything.

00:07:41.820 And what's the response from mothers

00:07:43.220 once they've realized that they're not alone

00:07:45.760 and that there's going to be someone there for them?

00:07:47.960 Yeah, they're overwhelmed.

00:07:49.460 Like they can't believe that total strangers

00:07:51.460 would care enough to buy them a gift.

00:07:54.300 And some of the gifts,

00:07:55.180 some things are quite pricey,

00:07:57.520 like a crib or a stroller,

00:07:59.300 like you're talking a couple hundred dollars

00:08:00.840 and people want to help.

00:08:03.360 The movement wants to help.

00:08:05.020 So they're blown away.

00:08:06.740 Yeah, that's incredible.

00:08:07.540 Maybe, I don't know if you're willing,

00:08:08.960 but if you could share maybe one example

00:08:10.600 or something that's come up,

00:08:11.740 a recent story of an actual mother,

00:08:13.560 by all means, use a made up name

00:08:15.480 or use a letter instead.

00:08:16.840 But maybe if people could hear an actual story

00:08:19.180 of something that you've gone through

00:08:20.580 where someone contacted you

00:08:21.780 and what their experience was like.

00:08:23.080 Oh, I mean, there's so many.

00:08:27.820 A woman that I'm talking to right now,

00:08:31.040 she, no, I'll give you a story of a baby 1.00

00:08:35.120 that was just born.

00:08:36.480 Because people won't be able to figure her out.

00:08:39.380 There was a woman and she already had children. 1.00

00:08:42.720 And the man said that if you don't abort,

00:08:45.140 I'm leaving you.

00:08:46.260 And like just totally peacing out.

00:08:48.540 And she contacted us just kind of asking for help

00:08:53.180 and saying, you know,

00:08:53.840 she didn't think abortion was right. 0.83

00:08:56.240 She hadn't ever really thought about it that much.

00:08:58.420 She's pregnant. 1.00

00:08:59.740 She didn't know what to do.

00:09:00.800 She didn't have any support.

00:09:02.540 And so, you know,

00:09:03.500 we just talked things through with her.

00:09:06.100 And the man had actually scheduled an abortion

00:09:08.240 for the next day for her,

00:09:09.760 which is often the case

00:09:11.200 that the man is scheduling the abortion.

00:09:13.480 So, you know, my body, my choice,

00:09:16.020 a lot of the times it's really the man pushing for it,

00:09:19.820 although it is ultimately her choice.

00:09:21.880 There's a lot of pressure.

00:09:23.520 So anyway, we talked with her.

00:09:26.120 We just, you know, said,

00:09:27.820 regardless of your situation,

00:09:29.420 which is temporary,

00:09:30.940 this child is here alive and breathing 0.59

00:09:32.920 and it's wrong to kill this child

00:09:34.560 and we will help you. 0.95

00:09:35.920 And she stood up to him.

00:09:39.300 He left.

00:09:40.400 We ended up paying all her hospital bills.

00:09:42.780 We ended up paying her rent.

00:09:44.380 We ended up doing the baby registry.

00:09:46.020 And the baby was born,

00:09:48.020 I think, three days ago,

00:09:49.700 a little girl.

00:09:51.980 So, yeah, that's the story.

00:09:55.280 Literally saving lives,

00:09:56.780 like almost on a daily basis.

00:09:59.400 I just want to add that shame on that man.

00:10:01.780 I'm going to call him a boy

00:10:02.620 because a man wouldn't do that.

00:10:04.660 So shame on him.

00:10:05.620 And God bless you and God bless her.

00:10:07.080 And we'll certainly include a little baby

00:10:08.900 in our prayers as we move forward.

00:10:10.320 So thanks for sharing that story.

00:10:12.260 That story is a prime example

00:10:14.460 of the type of incredible charitable works

00:10:16.600 that you guys are doing.

00:10:17.860 But as you mentioned,

00:10:18.700 your endeavors are two-pronged.

00:10:21.020 And I think that perhaps

00:10:22.320 there might be a little bit of a dichotomy

00:10:24.040 between the compassionate

00:10:25.760 and loving outreach

00:10:27.140 that you extend to these women

00:10:28.340 and the uncompromising

00:10:30.460 and unflinching videos

00:10:32.320 and media you put out there

00:10:33.680 to get the message out

00:10:34.780 and generate conversation.

00:10:35.820 I want to really quickly cut to,

00:10:38.720 and I think we're going to play it in full,

00:10:39.960 the human sacrifice video

00:10:41.180 that you guys put out recently.

00:10:42.640 So we'll pause for a second.

00:10:43.880 We'll cut to that and watch that.

00:10:45.240 Then we'll come back

00:10:46.080 and continue our conversation.

00:10:48.220 Child sacrifice.

00:10:51.280 Barbaric.

00:10:53.900 Evil.

00:10:56.760 Ancient.

00:10:58.580 Modern.

00:11:00.320 There's nothing new under the sun.

00:11:02.380 Throughout history,

00:11:04.500 children have been sacrificed

00:11:05.760 to a variety of deities

00:11:07.480 in attempts to gain favor or blessings.

00:11:11.120 Aztecs cut their children's hearts out 1.00

00:11:13.200 to appease the gods of rain and war.

00:11:16.600 Incas sacrificed their children 1.00

00:11:18.280 to the sun god

00:11:19.300 so their crops would flourish.

00:11:23.120 Canaanites sacrificed their infants

00:11:25.140 to Molech for prosperity.

00:11:28.060 Drums were played loudly

00:11:29.420 to drown out the baby's screams.

00:11:32.380 Child sacrifice never stopped,

00:11:41.100 and we still don't hear their screams.

00:11:43.780 There's nothing new under the sun.

00:11:46.700 We sacrifice our children today,

00:11:48.800 not for rain or war victories,

00:11:51.280 but for freedom or convenience.

00:11:53.840 We sacrifice to gain favor in the workplace

00:11:56.960 or for the blessings of money or fame.

00:12:00.720 We sacrifice our babies on the altar of free sex. 0.83

00:12:07.580 Child sacrifice is no longer a public event.

00:12:11.120 It's done behind closed doors.

00:12:13.320 Rather than a gory burning

00:12:15.000 or bloody stabbing,

00:12:16.900 it's become a neat, sterile,

00:12:19.300 and clinical event.

00:12:20.820 We don't throw our children into the fire

00:12:23.160 or leave them to freeze to death.

00:12:25.880 We starve our babies. 1.00

00:12:29.000 We poison them. 1.00

00:12:30.400 We rip off their arms and legs 1.00

00:12:33.720 and crush their skulls. 1.00

00:12:36.260 We call it choice. 0.99

00:12:37.660 We call it empowerment.

00:12:41.500 And our culture condones it.

00:12:46.760 We celebrate it. 0.77

00:12:49.020 We celebrate baby murder. 0.99

00:12:51.600 We consider it vital to our existence.

00:12:54.640 It's become a right.

00:12:56.080 But nothing is different.

00:12:59.500 There's nothing new under the sun.

00:13:02.620 Innocent human beings are still being sacrificed

00:13:05.160 for the selfish gains of those more powerful.

00:13:09.120 Modern child sacrifice is thriving. 0.91

00:13:12.040 We must end it.

00:13:14.220 End abortion. 0.83

00:13:14.800 So, a startling video.

00:13:23.140 Maybe not something you'd expect to see

00:13:25.440 coming out of the pro-life movement.

00:13:27.660 Very aesthetically pleasing.

00:13:29.900 Extremely challenging.

00:13:30.920 Making a point that I don't think

00:13:32.200 is necessarily shying away

00:13:33.960 from the core of the controversy.

00:13:36.200 I mentioned earlier that perhaps

00:13:37.580 there's a dichotomy.

00:13:39.060 Do you think that, on the one hand,

00:13:41.540 providing sort of unconditional

00:13:42.640 and compassionate charity,

00:13:43.760 and then, on the other hand,

00:13:45.440 putting out these strong,

00:13:46.640 often conversation-rousing pieces

00:13:50.520 on social media,

00:13:51.800 is there a conflict there

00:13:53.220 or are those two sort of

00:13:54.180 mutually inclusive or necessary?

00:13:56.560 I used to think there would be a conflict

00:13:58.320 when we started doing it

00:14:00.040 because, you know,

00:14:00.600 it just seems it would be that way.

00:14:02.600 But it's the truth.

00:14:05.420 And one of the ways that we really love

00:14:07.820 on the women who are considering abortion

00:14:10.580 is we give them the truth.

00:14:12.260 If we don't give them the truth,

00:14:13.300 we're not ultimately loving them

00:14:14.700 because they might go ahead 0.74

00:14:15.680 and murder their child 0.58

00:14:16.540 if they're not given the full truth.

00:14:18.960 So it does go together.

00:14:21.360 And the other thing is

00:14:22.260 the videos have such success.

00:14:25.680 They have so much reach.

00:14:27.460 That's how we actually end up

00:14:28.780 meeting with a lot of women.

00:14:31.240 So the videos,

00:14:32.640 they watch it

00:14:33.420 and they're kind of like,

00:14:34.240 whoa,

00:14:34.600 and then they check out the organization

00:14:36.060 and they message us.

00:14:37.180 So it's working in terms of reaching people

00:14:40.500 and also being truthful.

00:14:42.800 And, you know,

00:14:44.720 when we talk to women one-on-one, 0.91

00:14:47.080 we're very nice people.

00:14:49.960 So it kind of,

00:14:50.960 I mean,

00:14:51.140 it all works together.

00:14:52.640 Yeah.

00:14:52.760 So I think then,

00:14:55.580 as you mentioned at the ongoing,

00:14:57.000 at the onset,

00:14:57.680 you're sort of,

00:14:58.600 your Christianity is a major,

00:15:00.020 major motivation

00:15:01.000 in this work that you do.

00:15:03.540 And I can't help.

00:15:04.900 And I mean,

00:15:05.420 forgive me if I'm overstepping,

00:15:06.820 but I can't help but notice

00:15:07.940 there seems to be some synchronicity

00:15:09.780 with the public ministry of Jesus

00:15:12.120 throughout his life

00:15:13.480 towards those people

00:15:14.560 in incredibly difficult circumstances.

00:15:17.040 He was the gold standard

00:15:18.840 for charity,

00:15:19.720 compassion,

00:15:20.200 and love.

00:15:20.740 But on the other hand,

00:15:22.000 he was crucified

00:15:22.720 for being so direct

00:15:24.160 and so outspoken

00:15:25.720 against some of the great calamities

00:15:28.140 of the world.

00:15:29.220 So is that an intentional effort?

00:15:31.160 Are you mirroring his ministry

00:15:32.540 or is it just something

00:15:33.940 that's evolved naturally?

00:15:37.720 I don't think I on purpose

00:15:39.340 decided to mirror that,

00:15:41.240 but I feel like,

00:15:43.220 I guess,

00:15:44.680 yeah,

00:15:44.980 I guess that is how it is.

00:15:46.180 We're just trying to be

00:15:47.520 as straightforward

00:15:48.100 and as honest

00:15:49.540 and as loving as possible.

00:15:51.700 And so that's what happened.

00:15:53.120 And so I guess that makes sense.

00:15:55.040 And I think very often

00:15:56.280 you'll hear that like

00:15:57.440 this movement is anti-woman, 0.98

00:15:59.940 but I find very much

00:16:01.160 it's sort of like,

00:16:02.020 it's pedantic.

00:16:03.660 What you're doing

00:16:04.400 is talking to women

00:16:05.140 and giving them the information

00:16:06.140 and saying,

00:16:06.700 we're going to help you.

00:16:08.080 What do you say to people

00:16:09.080 who say that talking to women honestly 1.00

00:16:10.720 and offering them help

00:16:11.740 is anti-women?

00:16:12.920 I mean,

00:16:15.540 they're just,

00:16:16.180 they're just the angry people.

00:16:17.660 We get that all the time.

00:16:18.640 You don't care about women 1.00

00:16:19.700 or you try and,

00:16:21.120 you force women 1.00

00:16:22.320 into keeping their pregnancies

00:16:23.780 and it's like,

00:16:24.480 how could we possibly do that?

00:16:26.040 It's not like we're hunting women down,

00:16:27.480 right?

00:16:27.640 They come to us.

00:16:29.080 So it's just, 0.98

00:16:30.960 it's just a ridiculous thing.

00:16:32.100 If they take two seconds

00:16:32.960 and look at what our organization

00:16:34.040 is doing,

00:16:34.960 we are helping women.

00:16:36.800 Yeah,

00:16:37.080 that's amazing.

00:16:38.120 And like anyone who looks at it

00:16:40.180 or takes an objective glance

00:16:41.600 at the work you're doing

00:16:42.680 and how many people you've helped

00:16:44.980 would probably,

00:16:46.340 it would probably agree with you.

00:16:47.920 But I can imagine

00:16:48.920 in this line of work,

00:16:49.760 you probably get quite a bit of hate,

00:16:52.640 maybe even threats.

00:16:53.520 Can you tell us a little bit

00:16:54.300 about that sort of experience

00:16:55.620 in your work?

00:16:57.240 Yeah,

00:16:57.580 people are very angry

00:16:58.860 about the whole issue.

00:17:01.080 So,

00:17:01.840 and a lot of people also too

00:17:05.480 who are post-abortion,

00:17:06.580 a lot of the times

00:17:07.920 they'll lash out in hate

00:17:09.320 because they're hurting

00:17:10.460 so much themselves

00:17:11.400 and it's hard to be confronted

00:17:13.620 with what you've done.

00:17:17.460 But then we also have

00:17:18.880 like the hardcore feminists. 1.00

00:17:21.700 We have the Satanists.

00:17:24.300 Satanists are like

00:17:25.120 all over our stuff.

00:17:26.480 Shocking.

00:17:27.320 They don't like it.

00:17:27.900 Yeah,

00:17:28.140 I know.

00:17:29.260 I was kind of surprised

00:17:30.480 to realize how many of them

00:17:32.100 there are

00:17:32.780 and how like organized

00:17:34.080 they are.

00:17:34.760 But other than that,

00:17:35.700 it's not surprising. 0.54

00:17:37.360 And they're very hateful

00:17:38.700 and send

00:17:40.200 the most awful

00:17:41.840 things.

00:17:43.160 It shocks me

00:17:43.700 that,

00:17:43.880 you know,

00:17:44.880 nowadays

00:17:45.420 when you can get cancelled

00:17:46.860 for,

00:17:47.600 you know,

00:17:48.900 saying something mean,

00:17:50.160 these people are sending

00:17:51.120 like full-on

00:17:52.600 death threats

00:17:53.820 and they somehow think

00:17:55.000 that's acceptable.

00:17:56.200 Yeah,

00:17:56.360 this doesn't violate our terms.

00:17:58.500 Yeah.

00:17:58.700 We've seen that far too many times.

00:18:00.660 We're far too familiar

00:18:01.400 with that at Rebel News.

00:18:03.560 So,

00:18:04.080 I mean,

00:18:05.080 your videos have been

00:18:06.220 extremely effective.

00:18:07.640 They've been seen

00:18:08.080 by millions of people

00:18:09.060 translated into

00:18:10.000 all these languages.

00:18:11.520 So,

00:18:11.960 that's bound to

00:18:12.860 welcome some opposition.

00:18:15.360 What exactly goes

00:18:16.300 into planning

00:18:17.320 these videos?

00:18:18.040 I'm sure there's

00:18:18.960 quite a bit of thought.

00:18:20.060 Do you think about

00:18:20.640 addressing specific

00:18:21.600 apologetics issues?

00:18:23.620 What's the process

00:18:24.600 for coming up

00:18:25.240 with an idea

00:18:25.720 for a video

00:18:26.260 from sort of

00:18:26.960 inception to completion?

00:18:28.260 Honestly,

00:18:31.100 it's usually

00:18:31.620 an idea

00:18:32.340 that someone

00:18:33.140 or people

00:18:34.300 have been

00:18:35.080 pushing online.

00:18:38.060 Like,

00:18:38.260 you know,

00:18:39.780 you're not a human being

00:18:41.200 until you're born.

00:18:42.560 Something like that.

00:18:43.500 And so,

00:18:43.760 that's where we came up

00:18:44.420 with the magical

00:18:45.020 birth canal

00:18:45.820 because we just kind of

00:18:46.600 started thinking about that

00:18:47.900 and thinking like

00:18:48.600 what you're actually saying

00:18:50.560 doesn't make any sense.

00:18:52.580 And so,

00:18:53.180 let's figure out

00:18:54.000 a clever way,

00:18:55.360 you know,

00:18:55.540 a visually pleasing,

00:18:57.000 entertaining way

00:18:57.900 to show you that.

00:18:59.540 And so,

00:19:00.280 usually just start

00:19:01.060 on a script,

00:19:03.120 create the script

00:19:03.920 and then

00:19:04.720 get our props together,

00:19:06.680 get our film crew together

00:19:07.960 and or

00:19:08.820 the animators

00:19:09.940 if it's an animation

00:19:11.040 and

00:19:12.340 then do it

00:19:14.300 and then edit it.

00:19:15.120 And kind of like we mentioned,

00:19:18.060 you think about

00:19:18.720 some of the problems

00:19:19.940 or the questions

00:19:20.500 that are emerging

00:19:21.240 out there

00:19:22.020 and think about

00:19:23.320 how to possibly

00:19:23.940 respond to those

00:19:24.900 or generate conversation

00:19:26.180 around those.

00:19:27.760 There's certainly

00:19:28.120 an apologetic angle

00:19:29.440 to them.

00:19:30.120 So,

00:19:30.400 I thought if you wouldn't mind,

00:19:31.500 I went through

00:19:31.820 some of your videos

00:19:32.700 and just kind of

00:19:33.480 get your two cents

00:19:34.340 on something

00:19:35.220 that might emerge

00:19:36.140 online in conversation

00:19:37.180 and how you came

00:19:38.020 to the point

00:19:38.420 of responding.

00:19:39.840 So,

00:19:40.360 let's touch first

00:19:40.940 the video

00:19:41.260 that we just watched

00:19:42.200 in full,

00:19:42.880 the human child sacrifice.

00:19:44.900 It seems to be addressing

00:19:45.900 to some extent

00:19:46.520 that women 0.97

00:19:47.060 and society

00:19:47.880 can't succeed

00:19:48.800 and have kids.

00:19:51.420 What's your response

00:19:52.560 to that?

00:19:52.980 And what the video,

00:19:53.680 I think that's what

00:19:54.160 it's responding to.

00:19:56.720 Yeah,

00:19:57.280 it was.

00:19:58.020 And also,

00:19:58.920 I got the idea

00:20:00.380 for that one

00:20:01.400 because of the Satanists

00:20:03.420 and just how angry

00:20:04.640 they were

00:20:05.080 and the fact

00:20:05.660 like the Satanic

00:20:06.380 Temple came out

00:20:07.380 and said that abortion

00:20:08.300 is a religious ritual.

00:20:10.640 So,

00:20:10.960 I was like,

00:20:11.740 oh,

00:20:12.440 okay.

00:20:13.240 Like,

00:20:14.680 all throughout the Bible

00:20:15.820 they talk about

00:20:16.420 child sacrifice

00:20:17.160 and,

00:20:17.900 you know,

00:20:18.600 the ancient world,

00:20:20.780 you'll look at the Aztecs

00:20:21.920 or whoever

00:20:22.720 and you'll,

00:20:23.700 like we think

00:20:24.540 as a society,

00:20:25.660 oh,

00:20:25.820 how barbaric,

00:20:26.760 like how awful,

00:20:27.660 like they were so bad

00:20:28.920 and we think of ourselves

00:20:30.400 as so progressive

00:20:31.180 and inclusive

00:20:32.920 and so great.

00:20:34.680 And then I was thinking

00:20:35.300 about it

00:20:35.860 because all of the reasons

00:20:37.280 for sacrifice,

00:20:38.020 it all comes down to

00:20:39.980 it's selfishness,

00:20:43.140 really.

00:20:43.880 Like,

00:20:44.460 sounds harsh,

00:20:45.660 but it is.

00:20:46.440 Like,

00:20:46.600 they used to sacrifice

00:20:47.320 children for their own gain,

00:20:49.480 right?

00:20:49.740 So that they could prosper.

00:20:51.060 They could have,

00:20:52.020 you know,

00:20:52.280 water

00:20:52.700 or they could win wars

00:20:54.840 and it was all

00:20:56.040 to prosper themselves.

00:20:57.700 And nowadays,

00:20:58.700 women are aborting 1.00

00:21:02.100 for the same reasons.

00:21:03.760 You know,

00:21:03.960 they want to

00:21:04.880 get ahead at work.

00:21:07.940 They feel that

00:21:09.540 now's not a good time

00:21:10.280 for a pregnancy.

00:21:11.260 They want to finish

00:21:12.000 their education

00:21:12.720 or,

00:21:13.820 you know,

00:21:14.080 a lot of the actors,

00:21:17.040 you know,

00:21:18.200 Michelle Williams,

00:21:19.300 you know,

00:21:19.520 we had a little scene

00:21:20.560 referring to her

00:21:21.780 where basically

00:21:23.120 she thanked her,

00:21:24.700 her award,

00:21:26.060 said,

00:21:27.400 you know,

00:21:27.620 this is because of a child

00:21:28.600 that I aborted.

00:21:30.100 So yeah,

00:21:30.440 it is that whole idea

00:21:31.280 like you can't succeed

00:21:32.640 unless you're killing 1.00

00:21:33.340 your children. 0.99

00:21:34.320 So when I was thinking

00:21:35.420 about it,

00:21:35.900 I was like,

00:21:36.720 it's the exact same thing.

00:21:38.600 And when you realize

00:21:39.480 how awful

00:21:41.360 the actual abortion

00:21:42.780 procedure is,

00:21:43.820 it's horrific.

00:21:44.900 So to me,

00:21:45.880 I was just like,

00:21:46.440 this is our modern day

00:21:47.560 child sacrifice.

00:21:49.260 And I find it so shocking

00:21:50.380 that the statement,

00:21:51.540 like,

00:21:52.420 I'm so thankful

00:21:53.980 that I aborted my baby

00:21:55.580 because that got me

00:21:56.300 this award

00:21:57.040 is considered

00:21:58.000 mainstream

00:21:58.280 and acceptable

00:21:59.560 in society.

00:22:00.540 And then your perspective

00:22:01.420 of let's try

00:22:02.220 and save babies

00:22:02.960 and we're here

00:22:03.440 to help you

00:22:03.980 is considered fringe

00:22:05.300 and garners threats online.

00:22:07.760 Yeah.

00:22:08.140 It's staggering.

00:22:09.460 To continue,

00:22:10.860 men are not allowed 1.00

00:22:12.720 to have an opinion

00:22:13.460 on the issue

00:22:14.260 of abortion.

00:22:15.340 Right.

00:22:17.340 Okay, 1.00

00:22:17.920 that one's just so dumb 0.99

00:22:19.120 because, 1.00

00:22:19.640 you know,

00:22:20.480 what other human rights

00:22:21.760 violation

00:22:22.380 are men told

00:22:23.340 to sit down

00:22:24.100 and shut up? 1.00

00:22:25.100 Like, 0.97

00:22:25.360 it's just, 0.98

00:22:25.700 it's ridiculous. 0.91

00:22:26.320 It's because 0.84

00:22:26.940 the marketing

00:22:27.720 of the abortion

00:22:28.900 industry

00:22:30.560 has been brilliant.

00:22:32.220 You know,

00:22:32.380 they're marketing it

00:22:33.100 as a woman's right. 0.99

00:22:35.020 And so it all fits

00:22:36.380 in with that

00:22:36.860 of men,

00:22:37.540 you can't have

00:22:38.060 an opinion,

00:22:38.740 just,

00:22:39.060 you know,

00:22:39.520 be quiet.

00:22:41.560 It doesn't make sense

00:22:42.840 because this is talking,

00:22:44.240 it's,

00:22:44.840 abortion is killing

00:22:45.800 human beings.

00:22:46.800 So,

00:22:47.140 of course,

00:22:47.980 men should 0.90

00:22:48.700 have an opinion.

00:22:49.760 Also,

00:22:51.260 you know,

00:22:52.460 biologically,

00:22:53.160 it's not just

00:22:53.880 the woman's child,

00:22:54.920 it's the man's

00:22:55.520 child too.

00:22:56.480 So,

00:22:57.120 of course,

00:22:57.680 he should have a say.

00:22:58.980 Yeah.

00:22:59.200 And that ties perfectly

00:23:00.320 into my next question.

00:23:02.140 And if you could

00:23:02.720 describe maybe

00:23:03.380 the video,

00:23:03.940 we'll probably cut

00:23:04.380 to a few little clips

00:23:05.120 of it,

00:23:05.400 but pregnancy

00:23:06.800 should not be

00:23:07.840 a consequence

00:23:08.520 of sex.

00:23:09.800 You did a video

00:23:10.360 about that as well,

00:23:11.380 right?

00:23:11.760 Oh,

00:23:12.180 right.

00:23:13.340 Yes.

00:23:14.060 Oh,

00:23:14.440 consent to pregnancy

00:23:16.040 is not consent

00:23:17.120 to sex.

00:23:17.660 That came directly 0.95

00:23:18.840 from my Instagram page.

00:23:20.520 People were saying

00:23:21.120 that all over

00:23:22.300 the place.

00:23:23.780 It's this

00:23:24.500 younger generation

00:23:25.820 and I'm just like,

00:23:27.240 what are you guys

00:23:27.920 thinking?

00:23:28.480 Like,

00:23:28.580 do you not know

00:23:29.380 biology?

00:23:30.240 Do you not know

00:23:30.560 how this works?

00:23:33.580 You know,

00:23:34.080 you might get

00:23:34.900 pregnant from 0.97

00:23:35.940 having sex. 0.75

00:23:36.960 That's a very 0.99

00:23:37.440 possible outcome.

00:23:40.020 Is that a new

00:23:40.720 scientific development?

00:23:41.880 Should it just be

00:23:42.380 breaking news?

00:23:43.080 Or is that something

00:23:44.160 we've known for a

00:23:45.040 little while?

00:23:46.340 Breaking news.

00:23:47.100 Yeah,

00:23:47.340 breaking news.

00:23:49.000 Yeah.

00:23:49.300 So that video,

00:23:50.280 we just showed

00:23:51.280 the idea that,

00:23:52.020 you know,

00:23:52.880 eating copious

00:23:54.520 amounts of donuts

00:23:55.300 is not consent

00:23:56.900 to gaining weight,

00:23:57.860 you know,

00:23:58.220 like,

00:23:58.920 and so that's

00:23:59.900 just how we

00:24:00.320 showed that one.

00:24:01.300 Yeah.

00:24:01.900 And it's as though

00:24:02.780 there's a sort

00:24:03.720 of sentiment out

00:24:04.420 there that man

00:24:04.980 sometimes forgives,

00:24:06.020 but nature never

00:24:06.780 forgives.

00:24:07.940 There's these

00:24:08.380 natural consequences

00:24:09.420 of things that

00:24:10.020 happen.

00:24:10.680 And it seems

00:24:11.140 that in society

00:24:11.780 today,

00:24:12.100 we just want

00:24:12.660 to reject those.

00:24:14.120 Well,

00:24:14.520 we can reject

00:24:15.120 them,

00:24:15.420 but then the

00:24:15.740 consequences

00:24:16.140 will follow

00:24:16.820 regardless of

00:24:17.560 whether we try

00:24:18.040 to cancel them

00:24:18.780 or not.

00:24:20.280 And one

00:24:21.200 of the ones

00:24:21.660 that I think

00:24:23.340 is extremely

00:24:23.920 significant,

00:24:24.740 particularly for

00:24:25.500 people with

00:24:26.880 disabilities

00:24:27.400 or those

00:24:27.840 with Down

00:24:28.540 Syndrome.

00:24:29.780 I'm sure

00:24:30.380 you're familiar

00:24:30.760 with many

00:24:31.680 countries claiming

00:24:32.340 to have cured

00:24:33.340 Down Syndrome.

00:24:35.620 If you could

00:24:36.360 maybe comment

00:24:37.220 on what they

00:24:37.760 mean by curing

00:24:38.680 Down Syndrome

00:24:39.320 and talk about

00:24:40.300 the video you

00:24:40.860 did in response

00:24:41.520 to that.

00:24:42.780 Right.

00:24:43.040 I think it

00:24:44.260 was Iceland

00:24:44.900 that said

00:24:46.960 that they

00:24:47.240 had eradicated

00:24:48.080 Down Syndrome.

00:24:48.900 So here you

00:24:49.280 are thinking

00:24:49.700 they'd figured

00:24:50.280 a way to

00:24:50.940 cure Down

00:24:52.780 Syndrome.

00:24:53.820 But really

00:24:54.360 they're just

00:24:55.080 identifying all

00:24:56.420 the babies

00:24:56.900 who have

00:24:57.300 Down Syndrome

00:24:57.820 before birth

00:24:59.040 and aborting

00:24:59.820 them,

00:25:00.720 even very

00:25:01.460 late term.

00:25:02.880 And that's

00:25:04.620 an idea that's

00:25:05.740 very accepted

00:25:06.440 within our

00:25:06.920 society.

00:25:07.580 We need

00:25:08.000 abortion because

00:25:08.660 what if the

00:25:09.100 baby's not

00:25:09.520 perfect?

00:25:10.020 What if the

00:25:10.320 baby has a

00:25:10.820 disability?

00:25:11.840 And it's

00:25:12.160 like, hello

00:25:13.240 Canada.

00:25:14.420 I thought we

00:25:15.400 were the

00:25:15.640 country that

00:25:16.460 respects people

00:25:17.280 with disabilities

00:25:17.940 and we have

00:25:18.980 all these

00:25:19.300 wonderful programs

00:25:20.340 and yet we're

00:25:21.920 trying to kill 1.00

00:25:22.460 them all before 1.00

00:25:23.020 they're born.

00:25:23.600 It doesn't

00:25:23.920 make sense.

00:25:25.020 No, yeah, it

00:25:25.680 certainly doesn't.

00:25:26.760 And I know

00:25:27.080 even when you're

00:25:28.160 pregnant, you 1.00

00:25:29.080 go to the

00:25:29.480 doctor.

00:25:29.980 Our doctor is

00:25:30.640 Catholic.

00:25:31.500 So when you

00:25:31.760 go there, he

00:25:32.280 skips over 1.00

00:25:34.040 half the tests

00:25:34.840 they would have

00:25:35.360 you run to

00:25:36.120 because the

00:25:37.580 intent of those

00:25:38.060 tests is to

00:25:38.640 identify something.

00:25:39.520 And then

00:25:39.920 terminate the

00:25:40.580 baby.

00:25:41.220 So we don't

00:25:41.640 go to half

00:25:42.200 of that stuff

00:25:42.680 because he

00:25:43.620 knows that

00:25:44.180 because that's

00:25:44.900 a human being

00:25:45.440 we're going to

00:25:46.400 keep that baby

00:25:47.040 and we're going

00:25:47.340 to raise that

00:25:47.760 baby.

00:25:48.380 So we touched

00:25:50.020 on the legal

00:25:50.520 status of

00:25:51.120 abortion in

00:25:52.200 Canada.

00:25:52.560 If I'm not

00:25:53.440 wrong, it's

00:25:54.140 basically Canada,

00:25:55.040 China, and

00:25:55.920 North Korea

00:25:56.580 that have no

00:25:57.360 restrictions on

00:25:57.980 abortions. 0.94

00:25:58.580 In addition to

00:25:59.420 a couple

00:25:59.680 states, rather

00:26:01.000 progressive

00:26:01.440 democratic states

00:26:02.220 in the United

00:26:02.560 States.

00:26:03.420 Other than

00:26:04.120 that, most

00:26:04.780 countries in

00:26:05.600 the world have

00:26:06.220 some sort of

00:26:06.900 restriction in

00:26:07.540 place on

00:26:08.680 abortion.

00:26:10.980 The other

00:26:11.600 thing that's

00:26:11.960 extremely puzzling

00:26:13.160 is that polling

00:26:14.320 indicates that

00:26:15.500 the majority of

00:26:16.500 Canadians would

00:26:17.020 favor at least

00:26:17.700 some sort of

00:26:18.380 restriction on

00:26:18.920 abortion.

00:26:19.680 So most will

00:26:20.140 not come out

00:26:20.580 and say they're

00:26:20.960 outright against

00:26:21.540 it, but they're

00:26:21.980 like, well, after

00:26:22.440 three months or

00:26:23.100 six months or

00:26:23.700 they have various

00:26:24.620 thresholds at

00:26:25.360 which they'd

00:26:26.340 want to cut that

00:26:26.780 off.

00:26:27.540 How is it that

00:26:28.800 like the will of

00:26:30.120 the majority of

00:26:30.620 the people, most

00:26:31.260 people watching

00:26:31.880 this are probably

00:26:32.420 going to say,

00:26:32.700 well, there should

00:26:32.940 be some sort of

00:26:33.680 restriction.

00:26:34.040 You shouldn't

00:26:34.420 have an

00:26:34.660 abortion at 0.84

00:26:35.460 nine months

00:26:36.020 for non-medical

00:26:37.060 reasons at

00:26:37.580 all.

00:26:39.040 How did we

00:26:39.460 get to the

00:26:39.780 point where

00:26:40.120 even regardless

00:26:41.220 of the public

00:26:41.840 will, even

00:26:42.240 regardless of

00:26:42.800 the science,

00:26:44.360 the law in

00:26:45.500 Canada hasn't

00:26:46.160 changed.

00:26:46.760 The law in

00:26:47.100 Canada is that

00:26:47.600 you can have

00:26:48.000 an abortion at

00:26:48.980 any point of

00:26:49.580 a pregnancy for

00:26:50.240 any reason.

00:26:52.160 Yeah, well,

00:26:52.840 it's actually like

00:26:53.620 it's sort of the

00:26:54.140 opposite because

00:26:54.820 it's just there's

00:26:55.560 no law, so

00:26:56.400 anything goes.

00:26:58.060 And yeah, we

00:26:58.900 got here because

00:26:59.880 a law was

00:27:00.560 supposed to be

00:27:01.180 put in in

00:27:01.760 88.

00:27:02.080 They struck

00:27:03.780 down the

00:27:04.140 existing law

00:27:04.960 because they

00:27:05.840 said it was

00:27:06.180 too restrictive

00:27:06.860 or it wasn't

00:27:08.360 good for women's 1.00

00:27:09.140 rights.

00:27:10.460 And then they

00:27:11.160 said, okay,

00:27:11.480 we'll come up

00:27:11.880 with a new

00:27:12.300 one.

00:27:12.980 And then there

00:27:13.780 were a few

00:27:14.120 attempts and

00:27:14.800 then they never

00:27:15.380 did.

00:27:15.980 And so now

00:27:16.340 it's just a

00:27:16.820 free-for-all.

00:27:18.620 And yeah,

00:27:19.160 Canadians are

00:27:20.100 uncomfortable

00:27:22.100 because if you'll

00:27:23.460 ask them, oh,

00:27:24.040 you're fine

00:27:24.540 aborting a baby

00:27:25.340 the day before

00:27:26.160 delivery, they're

00:27:27.900 not.

00:27:28.540 No.

00:27:29.040 But then they

00:27:29.460 don't want to

00:27:29.880 go, they don't

00:27:30.300 want to discuss,

00:27:31.060 okay, when

00:27:31.460 should the

00:27:31.860 cutoff be?

00:27:32.760 They don't

00:27:33.100 even want to

00:27:33.560 get into it.

00:27:34.040 They're just

00:27:34.260 like, you

00:27:34.580 know what?

00:27:34.920 It's a

00:27:35.200 woman's 0.82

00:27:35.520 choice.

00:27:36.160 Trust women

00:27:37.080 and all

00:27:37.560 that because

00:27:38.120 we've been

00:27:38.880 so brainwashed

00:27:39.760 by our 0.89

00:27:40.120 culture.

00:27:41.060 The school

00:27:41.600 kids are 1.00

00:27:42.340 so brainwashed 0.55

00:27:43.460 to view

00:27:44.400 abortion.

00:27:45.100 Abortion is

00:27:45.680 nothing other

00:27:46.560 than a

00:27:47.360 woman's 0.82

00:27:47.920 reproductive

00:27:48.400 right.

00:27:49.060 That's it.

00:27:49.960 They don't

00:27:50.580 know what

00:27:50.980 the procedure

00:27:51.480 actually is.

00:27:52.980 They don't

00:27:53.780 register that

00:27:54.820 it is killing

00:27:55.780 a human

00:27:56.440 being with 0.74

00:27:58.060 a beating

00:27:58.440 heart most

00:27:59.480 times, right?

00:28:00.100 Like a heart

00:28:00.520 begins to

00:28:01.060 beat 21

00:28:01.600 days after

00:28:02.140 conception.

00:28:03.240 So I

00:28:05.840 don't know

00:28:06.240 what's wrong

00:28:06.640 with this

00:28:07.040 country.

00:28:08.080 They just

00:28:08.680 don't want to

00:28:09.040 touch the

00:28:09.560 whole debate

00:28:10.040 because they

00:28:10.500 don't want

00:28:10.800 any restrictions.

00:28:11.480 And I think

00:28:12.900 this seems to

00:28:13.540 be a recurring

00:28:14.240 trend.

00:28:14.860 I've mentioned

00:28:15.580 this in the

00:28:15.900 past and I'm

00:28:16.340 going to

00:28:16.700 continue to

00:28:17.400 mention it.

00:28:18.180 One of the

00:28:18.660 biggest issues

00:28:19.320 facing Canada

00:28:20.420 and modern

00:28:21.280 Western

00:28:21.620 civilization is

00:28:22.900 the unwillingness

00:28:24.160 to enter into

00:28:24.720 meaningful

00:28:25.280 discourse.

00:28:26.440 We don't

00:28:27.020 want to hurt

00:28:27.420 anyone's

00:28:28.000 feelings.

00:28:29.000 So we'll

00:28:29.360 tweet and

00:28:29.840 hashtag and

00:28:30.360 we'll do

00:28:30.540 all that

00:28:30.860 stuff as

00:28:31.140 long as it

00:28:31.480 doesn't

00:28:31.700 step on

00:28:32.200 anybody's

00:28:32.660 toes.

00:28:33.500 We might

00:28:33.820 cancel the

00:28:34.300 odd

00:28:34.460 person,

00:28:34.940 but we

00:28:35.200 don't

00:28:35.440 want to

00:28:36.180 meaningfully

00:28:36.720 engage in

00:28:37.360 anything

00:28:37.600 difficult.

00:28:38.540 I know

00:28:38.700 for me,

00:28:39.220 it wasn't

00:28:39.520 until I

00:28:39.840 was in

00:28:40.040 university

00:28:40.460 that I

00:28:40.900 actually

00:28:41.160 took a

00:28:41.680 look at

00:28:43.040 what is

00:28:43.620 abortion

00:28:44.380 actually.

00:28:45.320 And then

00:28:45.460 the second

00:28:45.780 you look

00:28:46.100 at the

00:28:46.360 medical

00:28:47.060 evidence,

00:28:47.920 you don't

00:28:48.980 need to

00:28:49.160 be a

00:28:49.340 microbiologist,

00:28:50.320 it's pretty

00:28:50.920 rudimentary

00:28:52.080 biology,

00:28:53.280 you're like,

00:28:53.720 oh my gosh,

00:28:54.140 this is what

00:28:54.540 we're doing

00:28:55.100 publicly.

00:28:57.120 It's staggering

00:28:57.900 that there's

00:28:58.280 no beyond

00:28:59.420 the few

00:28:59.760 people who

00:29:00.160 are at

00:29:00.620 that and

00:29:01.420 garnering

00:29:01.680 the

00:29:01.820 conversations,

00:29:02.500 there hasn't

00:29:03.060 been meaningful

00:29:04.200 change.

00:29:05.220 And to put

00:29:05.420 it back to

00:29:05.860 you,

00:29:06.220 there's

00:29:07.520 different

00:29:07.760 approaches,

00:29:08.260 there's

00:29:08.380 different

00:29:08.600 prongs,

00:29:09.020 I don't

00:29:09.200 mean to

00:29:09.500 sow division

00:29:10.740 or anything,

00:29:11.500 but do you

00:29:11.840 have any

00:29:12.100 recommendations

00:29:12.720 for the

00:29:13.200 pro-life

00:29:13.580 movement at

00:29:14.120 large?

00:29:15.440 I would

00:29:15.760 argue that

00:29:16.260 you're probably

00:29:16.700 one of the

00:29:17.000 people who's

00:29:17.400 generated the

00:29:18.240 most conversation

00:29:19.220 and you're

00:29:20.380 a fresh

00:29:20.840 face for

00:29:22.160 the pro-life

00:29:22.820 movement,

00:29:23.420 but what can

00:29:24.080 the rest of

00:29:24.420 the pro-life

00:29:24.880 movement do

00:29:25.600 to generate

00:29:26.060 change?

00:29:26.480 Because there

00:29:26.800 hasn't been

00:29:27.220 any in

00:29:27.620 40 years.

00:29:30.140 Right.

00:29:32.240 I don't

00:29:32.960 have too

00:29:34.240 much to

00:29:34.560 comment on

00:29:35.020 what they

00:29:35.420 have or

00:29:35.920 haven't

00:29:36.340 done,

00:29:36.760 like I

00:29:37.120 wasn't

00:29:37.540 there.

00:29:38.780 I didn't

00:29:39.380 even really

00:29:39.840 know there

00:29:40.240 was a

00:29:40.520 pro-life

00:29:40.860 movement

00:29:41.220 when I

00:29:43.300 started doing

00:29:44.340 Choice for

00:29:44.780 Two,

00:29:45.220 honestly,

00:29:46.320 or came

00:29:47.040 up with

00:29:47.360 the idea

00:29:47.880 of doing

00:29:48.420 it.

00:29:48.720 And then

00:29:48.900 once I

00:29:49.380 started into

00:29:50.180 it,

00:29:50.360 then I

00:29:50.640 was meeting

00:29:51.200 people and

00:29:51.720 making

00:29:51.900 connections.

00:29:54.000 So I

00:29:54.880 think maybe

00:29:56.420 what we've

00:29:57.520 done that's

00:29:58.580 working is

00:29:59.840 that we're

00:30:01.960 just trying to

00:30:02.420 be very

00:30:02.780 truthful.

00:30:03.140 We're not

00:30:03.520 being

00:30:03.720 politically

00:30:04.140 correct.

00:30:05.160 We're not

00:30:05.360 shying away

00:30:06.020 from sharing

00:30:07.320 the truth.

00:30:08.480 Also,

00:30:09.000 for us,

00:30:10.600 we don't

00:30:10.920 have any

00:30:11.520 sort of

00:30:11.840 restrictions

00:30:12.300 on us as

00:30:13.040 an organization

00:30:13.740 because no

00:30:14.340 one's paid.

00:30:15.480 We're not

00:30:15.680 affiliated with

00:30:16.320 any political

00:30:16.820 party.

00:30:17.700 We're just

00:30:18.120 on our own

00:30:18.780 and we can

00:30:19.240 do whatever

00:30:19.960 we feel that

00:30:20.540 we need to

00:30:21.060 do.

00:30:21.400 We're not

00:30:21.740 worried about

00:30:22.400 losing donors.

00:30:23.340 We're not

00:30:23.580 worried about 0.97

00:30:24.340 screwing

00:30:25.660 something up

00:30:26.340 in the

00:30:26.980 political world

00:30:27.720 because we're

00:30:28.820 not there.

00:30:29.980 So I

00:30:30.460 just think

00:30:30.960 the movement

00:30:32.360 in general

00:30:33.020 for everyday

00:30:33.500 people, I

00:30:34.520 think they

00:30:34.840 really need

00:30:35.280 to treat

00:30:35.820 abortion for

00:30:37.420 what it

00:30:37.760 is, which

00:30:39.040 is a

00:30:40.300 genocide of

00:30:41.160 babies and

00:30:42.740 they need to

00:30:43.100 act accordingly

00:30:43.780 and be having

00:30:45.480 discussions with

00:30:46.220 people because

00:30:46.700 people are so

00:30:47.260 scared to talk

00:30:48.040 about it.

00:30:48.780 Even if they

00:30:49.280 think it's

00:30:49.640 wrong, they're

00:30:50.140 like, oh,

00:30:50.460 someone's going

00:30:51.000 to think I'm

00:30:51.580 crazy or mean

00:30:52.780 or something.

00:30:53.480 And it's

00:30:53.680 like, well,

00:30:55.260 okay, babies

00:30:55.720 are having their

00:30:56.340 arms and legs

00:30:57.080 ripped off,

00:30:57.720 but you're

00:30:57.980 scared about

00:30:58.720 your reputation.

00:31:02.220 Priorities.

00:31:02.760 We need to

00:31:03.040 have our

00:31:03.300 priorities in

00:31:04.140 order and

00:31:05.180 then just

00:31:05.640 start doing

00:31:06.960 something.

00:31:09.380 And I

00:31:09.700 think one of

00:31:11.080 the things

00:31:11.460 that possibly

00:31:12.240 people need

00:31:13.400 to get their

00:31:13.840 head around,

00:31:14.780 and I think

00:31:15.280 possibly you've

00:31:15.980 done it, is

00:31:16.840 that we're

00:31:18.080 not the

00:31:18.500 baddies.

00:31:19.440 You're not

00:31:20.020 the baddies.

00:31:20.540 The people

00:31:20.840 who are

00:31:21.140 fighting to

00:31:21.620 try and

00:31:22.020 save people's

00:31:23.120 lives are

00:31:24.000 the good

00:31:24.380 guys.

00:31:24.860 And I

00:31:25.040 think very

00:31:25.480 often people

00:31:26.040 have this

00:31:26.400 sort of

00:31:26.660 complex,

00:31:27.240 as though

00:31:27.860 there's

00:31:28.000 something

00:31:28.200 wrong.

00:31:28.500 I know

00:31:28.640 very often

00:31:29.080 when I

00:31:29.420 talk with

00:31:29.760 people about

00:31:30.220 this

00:31:30.420 conversation,

00:31:30.960 if I

00:31:31.600 don't come

00:31:32.120 at them

00:31:32.480 with an

00:31:32.740 air of

00:31:32.980 superiority

00:31:33.360 and I'm

00:31:33.800 engaging

00:31:34.180 with them

00:31:34.560 and you

00:31:35.060 come from

00:31:35.440 the angle

00:31:35.860 of compassion

00:31:36.620 as though

00:31:37.320 I want to

00:31:39.300 save lives,

00:31:39.840 that's my

00:31:40.200 primary focus

00:31:40.900 people who

00:31:41.640 people who

00:31:41.720 are even

00:31:42.300 very hostile

00:31:43.060 to the

00:31:43.960 concept of

00:31:44.960 putting an

00:31:45.380 end to

00:31:45.600 abortion,

00:31:46.420 are at

00:31:46.740 least willing

00:31:47.100 to engage

00:31:47.740 in that

00:31:48.080 conversation.

00:31:49.420 For those

00:31:50.220 people out

00:31:50.680 there who

00:31:51.000 presently

00:31:51.740 believe that

00:31:53.120 fundamentally

00:31:53.540 abortion is a 1.00

00:31:55.460 woman's right 1.00

00:31:56.000 and that women 1.00

00:31:56.720 should be able

00:31:57.120 to do this,

00:31:58.640 do you have

00:31:58.960 any messages

00:31:59.420 to those

00:32:00.000 individuals?

00:32:01.280 Sure.

00:32:01.760 Go watch 0.78

00:32:02.280 an abortion.

00:32:03.340 There's

00:32:03.600 videos online.

00:32:05.020 Go watch

00:32:05.460 one and

00:32:06.260 then we'll

00:32:07.260 chat.

00:32:07.800 Because once

00:32:08.220 you see what

00:32:08.700 it is,

00:32:09.240 you can't

00:32:09.840 support it.

00:32:11.500 Yeah.

00:32:11.960 Well,

00:32:12.320 that's

00:32:12.640 certainly

00:32:13.160 poignant.

00:32:16.300 Well,

00:32:16.980 that's about

00:32:19.420 all it is.

00:32:19.900 There isn't

00:32:20.140 more than

00:32:20.460 that,

00:32:20.740 hey?

00:32:21.260 Yeah.

00:32:21.680 That's

00:32:22.120 poignant.

00:32:24.720 Following up,

00:32:26.220 where can

00:32:26.640 people find

00:32:27.540 you?

00:32:27.780 How can

00:32:28.040 people get

00:32:28.560 involved?

00:32:29.840 Where do

00:32:30.300 people go to

00:32:30.820 sort of keep

00:32:31.260 in touch

00:32:31.980 with you?

00:32:33.040 Right.

00:32:33.480 Our website,

00:32:34.980 choice42.com,

00:32:36.780 which is the

00:32:37.660 number four,

00:32:38.220 the number

00:32:38.500 twos,

00:32:39.080 choice42.com.

00:32:41.060 And we're

00:32:41.420 on all the

00:32:42.460 social media

00:32:43.020 outlets.

00:32:44.220 They can

00:32:44.620 follow

00:32:44.840 choice42,

00:32:45.640 or they can

00:32:46.040 follow Laura

00:32:46.840 Clausen,

00:32:47.660 me,

00:32:48.100 my stuff.

00:32:49.340 And yeah,

00:32:50.080 that's where we

00:32:50.540 connect with

00:32:50.900 people.

00:32:51.940 And I think

00:32:52.440 I didn't plan

00:32:52.880 this,

00:32:53.120 but I think

00:32:53.740 it is important

00:32:54.820 because this

00:32:55.200 will probably

00:32:55.560 reach quite a

00:32:56.100 few people.

00:32:57.120 If you have

00:32:57.700 any messages

00:32:58.120 for mothers

00:32:58.820 out there,

00:33:00.220 pregnant women 0.99

00:33:00.640 who are

00:33:01.120 considering

00:33:01.800 abortion,

00:33:03.320 if you have

00:33:03.680 any messages

00:33:04.060 directly for

00:33:04.640 those individuals.

00:33:05.260 Yeah,

00:33:07.100 I'd say

00:33:07.800 don't murder 0.96

00:33:09.200 your baby 0.92

00:33:09.780 first off.

00:33:10.800 Like that

00:33:11.040 shouldn't be

00:33:11.580 an option.

00:33:12.760 Whatever you're

00:33:13.400 going through,

00:33:14.540 it's a crisis

00:33:16.260 maybe,

00:33:16.780 but it's a

00:33:17.220 temporary crisis

00:33:18.080 and your child

00:33:19.320 is alive and

00:33:20.040 growing right now

00:33:20.780 inside of you

00:33:21.420 and deserves

00:33:22.180 to live.

00:33:23.120 So if you need

00:33:23.680 help,

00:33:24.160 reach out to

00:33:24.980 us and we

00:33:25.580 will help

00:33:26.020 you.

00:33:27.120 Awesome.

00:33:27.920 Well,

00:33:28.240 thank you so

00:33:28.900 very much for

00:33:29.620 joining me today.

00:33:30.360 Thank you for

00:33:30.780 the important

00:33:31.360 work that you're

00:33:32.560 doing out there.

00:33:33.280 and hopefully

00:33:34.240 we can touch

00:33:34.660 base again

00:33:35.060 sometime in the

00:33:35.580 future.

00:33:36.460 Thank you so

00:33:37.040 much.

00:33:37.480 Thanks,

00:33:37.960 really appreciate

00:33:38.420 it.

00:33:45.940 It's great to

00:33:46.660 have Laura 0.90

00:33:47.160 join us today.

00:33:48.340 You know,

00:33:48.480 the really

00:33:48.760 interesting thing

00:33:49.320 about Laura

00:33:49.840 is she's very

00:33:50.880 multifaceted.

00:33:51.840 There's two

00:33:52.220 distinct dimensions

00:33:53.100 to the work

00:33:53.600 and we talked

00:33:54.060 about it during

00:33:54.600 the interview.

00:33:55.580 But on one

00:33:56.360 hand,

00:33:56.580 she's providing

00:33:57.240 this compassionate

00:33:58.160 and unquestioning

00:33:59.280 care for mothers

00:34:00.020 in difficult

00:34:00.640 circumstances.

00:34:02.040 She's helping

00:34:02.480 bake for rent,

00:34:03.300 filling out

00:34:03.700 these baby

00:34:04.180 registries,

00:34:04.720 letting women 1.00

00:34:05.280 know they're

00:34:06.140 not alone.

00:34:06.640 And that is

00:34:07.020 so vital.

00:34:08.060 Many people

00:34:08.460 criticize the

00:34:09.120 pro-life movement

00:34:09.780 as being just

00:34:10.440 pro-birth.

00:34:11.240 Well,

00:34:11.400 she's addressing

00:34:12.040 that concern

00:34:12.780 right off the

00:34:13.860 bat.

00:34:14.620 But on the

00:34:14.980 other hand,

00:34:15.260 she's generating

00:34:16.020 conversations.

00:34:17.000 She said that

00:34:18.040 many of the

00:34:18.500 women who get 0.99

00:34:19.020 help through

00:34:19.700 her organization

00:34:20.480 Choice for Two

00:34:21.240 first contact

00:34:22.420 her through the

00:34:23.100 viral videos

00:34:23.720 that she puts

00:34:24.220 out.

00:34:24.860 And these viral

00:34:25.340 videos can be

00:34:26.060 challenging.

00:34:26.780 They talk about

00:34:27.560 abortion in a

00:34:28.580 very direct and

00:34:29.380 unabashed way,

00:34:30.320 which is a

00:34:31.160 fresh change

00:34:32.340 compared to

00:34:32.980 the lack of

00:34:34.080 conversation

00:34:34.520 that's been

00:34:34.980 occurring around

00:34:35.800 this issue

00:34:36.420 within society.

00:34:38.000 So I think

00:34:38.420 we're seeing

00:34:38.920 conversation about

00:34:40.240 abortion in

00:34:41.460 society,

00:34:42.120 thanks to

00:34:42.540 Laura's work,

00:34:43.060 on a level

00:34:43.400 that hasn't

00:34:43.920 maybe taken

00:34:44.440 place in a

00:34:45.440 number of

00:34:45.820 years.

00:34:46.400 So I want to

00:34:46.980 thank her for

00:34:47.500 taking a little

00:34:48.040 break from her

00:34:48.580 important work to

00:34:49.700 come and share

00:34:50.240 her story with

00:34:50.920 us.

00:34:51.500 I also want to

00:34:52.140 thank Sheila

00:34:52.620 Gunn-Reed for

00:34:53.260 allowing me to

00:34:53.920 be the guest

00:34:54.420 host this week.

00:34:55.680 She's very busy

00:34:56.420 covering an

00:34:56.840 important case.

00:34:57.820 I hope you guys

00:34:58.660 enjoyed it.

00:34:59.700 This has been

00:35:00.180 The Gunn Show.

00:35:00.700 Thanks for

00:35:01.420 watching.

00:35:01.980 We'll see you

00:35:02.440 out there.

Rebel News Podcast - May 06, 2021

INTERVIEW： Pro-life advocate Laura Klassen

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