Rebel News Podcast - Judges tried to destroy one of their own — because of one CBC article. Imagine what they could do to you.

00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. Today, I go deep into a lawsuit, the likes of which I've never seen.

00:00:07.260 One judge is suing a bunch of other judges, and then another judge had to judge the judges.

00:00:15.500 Oh boy, it's nasty. It's nasty. But there's a lot of interesting insights and little sneak peeks

00:00:23.520 into the people who rule over us. I hope I can keep your attention as I go through this

00:00:28.180 interesting legal ruling today. I think you'll find it interesting. I hope so.

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00:01:54.080 Tonight, I've got a good news story from the Federal Court of Canada. I can't even believe

00:02:09.220 I'm saying those words. It's May 22nd, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:02:13.100 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:02:18.900 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:02:22.960 The only thing I have to say to the government, the wire publisher, is because it's my bloody

00:02:27.860 right to do so.

00:02:34.040 Look at this court ruling from the Federal Court of Canada. And perhaps it's more than a coincidence.

00:02:39.300 It's written by Justice Russell Zinn, the same federal court judge who ruled in our favor last

00:02:45.160 October in the Debates Commission case. Here's the ruling. I want to go through it a bit.

00:02:51.300 Now, look who's suing whom. The Honorable Justice Patrick Smith and the Attorney General of Canada

00:02:59.240 and the Canadian Judicial Council, the Canadian Superior Court Judges Association,

00:03:04.520 and the Ontario Superior Court Judges Association interveners. It's just so many lawyers and judges.

00:03:12.520 A judge is suing the Judicial Council and the judges' associations and the government.

00:03:18.860 That's what judges suing on the judges. And then Judge Zinn is ruling on the judge versus judge battle.

00:03:24.060 Holy moly. I'm going to read some of this for you. Justice Zinn starts by quoting the late journalist

00:03:32.060 Christy Blatchford, who wrote a column about this whole case.

00:03:36.420 The fact that Judge Patrick Smith is in danger of a removal is a sobering illustration of the

00:03:41.020 no good deed goes unpunished saying. Christy Blatchford. Well, that gives you a hint which

00:03:46.040 way this is going to go. Let me read.

00:03:48.900 The Honorable Justice Patrick Smith, Justice Smith, is a judge of the Superior Court of

00:03:53.760 Justice of Toronto. He challenges two decisions of the Canadian Judicial Council.

00:03:58.680 The first is the August 28th decision of the Quebec Superior Court Associate Chief Justice Robert

00:04:05.600 Pidgeon in his capacity as Vice Chairperson of the Judicial Conduct Committee to constitute a

00:04:12.480 judicial conduct review panel. Second, Justice Smith challenges the November 5th, 2008 decision of

00:04:19.760 the review panel. Okay. Now, please don't click away. I promise it doesn't get more boring than that.

00:04:25.820 That's the boringest part. Those are just the names of the fancy oversight committees that scrutinize

00:04:32.920 judges. So Judge Smith is suing, or actually he's appealing to be more precise, rulings against him

00:04:39.340 by Judge Pidgeon and a bunch of other judges who had condemned him. So it's a Judge Civil War,

00:04:46.600 and our favorite judge, Judge Zinn, is the referee. Now, here's the part that's in plain English,

00:04:51.520 but I predict you will find it as hard to understand as any lawyer would. Ready? The review panel concluded

00:04:59.100 that Justice Smith, in accepting the appointment of interim dean academic at Boralaskan Faculty of Law

00:05:06.220 at Lakehead University, contravened Section 55 of the Judges Act. It further found that Judge Smith

00:05:12.760 failed in his ethical obligations as a judge to avoid involvement in public debate that may unnecessarily

00:05:19.500 expose him to political attack or be inconsistent with the dignity of judicial office. So hang on,

00:05:26.020 this judge, the judge that's suing the other judges, Judge Smith. So he took a temporary position,

00:05:31.860 that's what interim means, as the academic dean of a law school at Lakehead University. And the other

00:05:38.360 judges said that's unethical. I'm not even kidding. That's what they said about him. Yeah, I'd sue them

00:05:44.500 too. The decision of the review panel is not reasonable. And the Canadian Judicial Council

00:05:50.960 procedure was applied unfairly to Justice Smith and was an abusive process. Justice Smith is entitled

00:05:57.360 to a meaningful remedy. So Judge Zinn, that's our favorite guy, he sided with Judge Smith against this

00:06:05.600 big shot panel of judges who had condemned him for helping a law school. Here are the facts,

00:06:11.240 as outlined by Justice Zinn. On April 16, 2018, the interim president and vice chancellor,

00:06:18.920 Lakehead University, wrote to Justice Smith asking him to accept an appointment to the position of

00:06:24.760 interim dean of the law school. The law school had existed since, only since 2013. Its mandate is

00:06:31.920 aboriginal and indigenous law, natural resources and environmental law, and small firm and sole practice.

00:06:38.080 The second permanent dean of the law school, Angelique Eaglewoman, resigned earlier in 2018,

00:06:44.840 alleging institutional racism. In her letter to Justice Smith, the interim president notes

00:06:49.620 the importance that it maintained the confidence and support of the Law Society of Ontario,

00:06:54.940 the Federation of Law Societies of Canada, and of our local bar and extended communities.

00:06:59.760 The interim president explains why he's being asked to take on this interim position.

00:07:04.040 We make this urgent request based on your knowledge, skills, and experience as a judge of the Superior

00:07:10.600 Court of Ontario. In addition, your long-standing connections and the respect you garner in the

00:07:15.680 local, provincial, and national legal communities, combined with your significant work with indigenous

00:07:20.140 communities and your important publications focused on aboriginal law in Canada, are critical

00:07:25.360 to the ongoing evolution and success of the faculty of law. So just to be clear, this is an aboriginal-focused

00:07:31.800 law school. They're having some trouble. The whole place is wobbly and rickety. It's only five years old at this

00:07:37.600 point. The university's president is desperate for someone to save the day just to hold the fort while they

00:07:42.580 find someone permanent. It's a bit unconventional, but a sitting judge might actually be just the right person.

00:07:49.500 They literally ask him to do them a favor to save the school. Not just any school, but a school that has the

00:07:55.340 purpose of helping aboriginal people in the law. That sounds pretty noble to me. Pretty woke. Something 1.00

00:08:00.740 that you'd think would receive support from everyone. And as Justice Zinn points out,

00:08:07.440 Justice Smith sits in the northwest region, and before becoming a judge in 2001,

00:08:11.580 practiced law in Thunder Bay for 25 years. He has significant expertise in aboriginal and indigenous

00:08:17.240 law. So he knows the file. He knows aboriginal law, certainly more than most lawyers in downtown

00:08:23.300 Toronto or Montreal would, just for example. In fact, I got to say, the more I learned about Judge

00:08:28.800 Smith, he sounds like a perfect law school dean if the purpose of the school is to focus on aboriginal 1.00

00:08:34.320 law. Let me read. In October 2009, he was appointed to the Specific Claims Tribunal. Justice Smith worked

00:08:40.540 with former judge and current senator Murray Sinclair, chair of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission,

00:08:45.800 on various judicial education initiatives, including developing and co-chairing a three-day

00:08:50.140 intensive course sponsored by the National Judicial Institute on Aboriginal law for judges from across

00:08:56.340 Canada and creating an updated judicial bench book on aboriginal law. He's often invited by legal

00:09:02.680 organizations to speak on aboriginal and indigenous law and is called upon regularly by judges across

00:09:08.340 Canada to assist with the mediation of land claims and other litigation between First Nations and various

00:09:14.360 levels of government. Okay, I've got to ask you a question. Does he sound racist? Does he sound stupid or

00:09:24.220 ill-informed? Does Judge Smith sound unethical to you? I mean, I'm sorry, those questions are too absurd to 1.00

00:09:31.000 even ask, aren't they? Well, to you maybe. But in a moment, I'll tell you who is actually malicious

00:09:37.940 enough to ask them. I'll tell you who complained about this in a way. In the meantime, try to guess

00:09:44.320 what is the most malicious negative low force in Canada today? Think lower. Okay, lower. Lower,

00:09:50.200 Cal. I'll tell you in a moment. Okay, just to let you know, Judge Smith didn't just walk away from his

00:09:55.300 job as a judge. That would be a bit nuts. He literally asked all his bosses for permission

00:10:02.680 and for their advice. So he wrote to the chief judge of the province. That's the judge who's in

00:10:07.920 charge of the other judges. He wrote, and they checked with the justice minister of the day,

00:10:13.500 Judy Wilson-Raybould, who, as you know, is herself an aboriginal woman. So everything was like,

00:10:19.540 just do everything by the book, check all the boxes, which you would sort of expect and hope for

00:10:24.300 from a judge, right? So here's how that went according to Justice Zinn. Justice Smith informed,

00:10:30.380 Justice Smith informed the Honorable Heather J. Forster Smith, Chief Justice of the Superior

00:10:36.560 Court of Justice, of the request from the law school. In his letter, Justice Smith says,

00:10:42.760 the affairs at the school are in crisis. This characterization of the situation at the law

00:10:47.580 school is not questioned. He asked for the approval of his chief justice and the minister of

00:10:53.400 justice to accept this short-term appointment. The chief justice wrote to the minister of justice

00:11:00.360 Jody Wilson-Raybould, expressing her support for Justice Smith to accept this role. She notes

00:11:05.860 that this request, quote, would take him outside of his judicial duties in a role that is unprecedented

00:11:10.780 for a judge of our court. She also notes that Justice Smith is a supernumerary judge, so the impact may

00:11:17.920 be less than it would in other circumstances, particularly until the fall. Now, by the way, as a

00:11:23.720 supernumerary judge, Justice Smith performs judicial duties for only six months each year. She indicates

00:11:29.680 that this is an exceptional situation and an opportunity for our court to respond positively

00:11:34.360 to a number of Truth and Reconciliation Commission recommendations. The chief justice proposes to

00:11:40.660 grant Justice Smith a leave of up to six months from June 1, 2018, to November 2018, under the authority

00:11:47.640 given to her in paragraph 54.1a of the Judges Act. She notes that anything beyond that would require

00:11:54.020 an order in counsel. Okay, okay, so that's a long quote. So both the chief judge and the justice

00:11:59.480 minister say, all right, for a six-month term, it's fine. He's only a halftime judge anyways,

00:12:05.880 and Jody Wilson-Raybould thinks it would not only be a good thing in terms of helping the school,

00:12:09.600 but it would show harmony, reconciliation, you know? Let me quote some more. The chief justice writes

00:12:16.420 that Justice Smith appreciates that he can only accept the role within certain clear parameters,

00:12:20.960 including that his role be confined to academic leadership. He would delegate administrative

00:12:25.940 authority over recruitment, financial decisions, and academic appeals to others within the school.

00:12:31.760 Lastly, she observes, given the restrictions of Section 55 of the Judges Act, which prohibits

00:12:36.460 extrajudicial employment, occupation, or business, he could not accept any remuneration from the

00:12:42.140 university. So he's not going to take a dime for this, just to be very plain. He's not taking any

00:12:47.300 money for this. So everyone's being very, very careful. If he's a dean, he's not going to hire

00:12:53.320 and fire anyone. He's not going to spend or raise any money. Those could possibly be seen as showing

00:12:58.840 some bias or something. I don't know. I'm not quite sure how that would show bias, but they didn't want

00:13:03.480 to take any chances. He's just going as an academic guide. So the justice minister specifically writes

00:13:12.480 back to the chief judge. I have no concerns about your granting Justice Smith a special leave

00:13:17.920 from June 2018 to November 2018 as outlined in your letter. Okay, so get this. He takes the gig

00:13:25.780 and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, Trudeau's CBC state broadcaster, writes a story about the judge

00:13:33.200 and includes rancor from some nobody critics. Of course, it's the CBC. They bitch and moan for a living.

00:13:40.140 They're victimologists. They only have one narrative for aboriginal people, victims. 1.00

00:13:45.460 And an out-of-control legal busybody reads that CBC story about some people bitching, 1.00

00:13:53.120 and he starts an investigation into Judge Smith's ethics. The week he accepted the job,

00:13:59.600 he hadn't even started yet. Let me read. On May 9th, 2018, the executive director of the CJC,

00:14:06.540 that's the Canadian Judicial Council, Norman Sabarin wrote to Justice Smith with a copy to his chief

00:14:13.680 justice. He observed that pursuant to section 4.2 of the Canadian Judicial Council procedures

00:14:18.380 for the review of complaints or allegations about federally appointed judges, in addition to receiving

00:14:24.140 and reviewing complaints, he may review any other matter involving the conduct of a superior court judge

00:14:29.580 that comes to the attention of the executive director and appears to warrant consideration.

00:14:36.140 He further noted that under section 4.3 of the review procedures, if he determines that the matter

00:14:41.180 warrants consideration, he must refer it to the Judicial Conduct Committee. With that background,

00:14:49.040 Mr. Sabarin writes in his letter to Justice Smith that media reports indicate that he has accepted

00:14:55.540 to serve as dean of Lakehead University on an interim basis, and he attaches a CBC web report

00:15:01.380 posted May 3rd, 2018, entitled Justice Patrick Smith named interim dean of Lakehead Law School.

00:15:07.020 It reports on the departure of former Dean Angelique Eaglewoman, who on stepping down said systemic

00:15:12.340 issues within the university and challenges to implementing the Bora Law School and Faculty of Law's

00:15:16.800 Aboriginal and Indigenous Law Mandate have made my continued involvement in the law school untenable. 0.51

00:15:21.140 The news report concludes with the reaction of some Indigenous leaders to the situation at the law

00:15:27.300 school. Since then, Indigenous leaders representing dozens of First Nations communities across

00:15:33.700 Northwestern Ontario called for immediate change at Lakehead University. They made several

00:15:38.340 recommendations, including that Lakehead commit to appointing an Indigenous person as Eagle Woman's

00:15:43.420 successor, that an independent review examine all issues and allegations raised by her,

00:15:47.540 and that appropriate measures are subsequently taken. Mr. Sabarin says, in light of sections 54 and 55 of

00:15:54.260 the Judges Act, and given the general duties and ethical obligation of judges, acceptance of the

00:15:58.900 interim dean role brings me to the view that the situation may warrant consideration by counsel.

00:16:06.260 Prior to reaching any decision, Mr. Sabarin invites Justice Smith's views.

00:16:09.780 Huh. This is Norman Sabarin, a sour-looking man. He looks like a nosy bureaucrat, doesn't he? He's the executive

00:16:21.060 director of the Canadian Judicial Council. So let me be clear. There actually hadn't been any complaint. He

00:16:26.980 hadn't actually started yet. Both the chief judge of the province and the justice minister, who's Aboriginal,

00:16:34.260 like the idea. Judge Smith was saving the day. It was a six-month mission of mercy for a school

00:16:41.300 that was falling apart. There were lots of checks and balances on what he could or could not do. Not

00:16:46.100 only did no one complain, but every I had been dotted and every T had been crossed. But this meddling

00:16:52.820 little bureaucrat took it upon himself to launch an investigation. No complaints. I'm serious. Now,

00:16:59.860 you can imagine, in a case of judges fighting with judges about being judges and the whole thing

00:17:04.340 being reviewed by judges, this ruling goes on for quite a while. I can just tell you one thing I've

00:17:10.420 learned from this is that it's not unprecedented for sitting judges to also be law school deans.

00:17:16.500 In fact, in the past, judges even on our Supreme Court of Canada have served as law school deans.

00:17:22.580 Judge Smith put in lots of safeguards. He said, for example, when he was done as interim dean,

00:17:26.420 he went back to a judge. He wouldn't sit on any cases that involved that university.

00:17:30.500 So he's being extremely well-behaved. He would recuse himself from those cases. It was all so

00:17:35.860 reasonable. He went back and forth with the Canadian Judicial Council's Norman Sabarin.

00:17:41.460 So he said, oh, no, no, everything's fine. I checked. I got permission.

00:17:45.940 But that sneering sourpuss bureaucrat proceeded to investigate and prosecute him nonetheless. I

00:17:52.980 swear to God. He was doing this for free. Let me remind you. Judge Smith wasn't taking a dime.

00:17:59.860 Now, here's where it gets weird. And here's where it gets gross. So remember, this was just a six-month

00:18:04.340 interim thing. Helping an Aboriginal law school that was falling apart. Helping Aboriginal people,

00:18:09.860 students, the community. But this Norman Sabarin and the Judicial Council, they just won't let this go.

00:18:16.260 Does Judge Smith need any of this? Does he need the hassle? The stress? The weird attempt to shame him?

00:18:21.780 Shame him? Shame him? No, he does not. Does he need the investigation and the prosecution of him?

00:18:26.660 Seriously, that's what they do. They were prosecuting him for an ethical breach. Does he need this in his

00:18:32.260 life? No, he does not. So he resigned. That's what they wanted him to do. So he resigned. Not sure how

00:18:38.980 that helps the law school or the reputation of the law itself or Aboriginal students. Not sure. But that

00:18:44.900 weirdo, Norman Sabarin, who acted in the absence of a complaint. Let me say that again. No one complained to

00:18:51.220 the Judicial Council. Just some whiny, grievance-mongering report in the CBC State Broadcaster.

00:18:57.220 And that was enough. Sabarin got his way. Judge Smith quit. But Sabarin and the Canadian Judicial

00:19:02.900 Council, they weren't done yet. They wanted their pound of flesh. They proceeded against Judge Smith

00:19:08.660 anyways. Even after he bent the knee, even after he quit and said, all right, I'm out of here. They still

00:19:13.780 went after him. I'm serious. And incredibly, they leaked their denunciation of him, their ruling against

00:19:20.020 him to the media before they even told him. Let me read. On November 6, 2018, the CJC, that's the

00:19:27.540 Canadian Judicial Council, told two reporters that the review panel had reached its decision

00:19:32.020 and that it would be released that day without having so informed Justice Smith or his counsel.

00:19:37.620 The CJC published a press release on its website the same day with a link to the panel decision.

00:19:43.300 Is that normal? Or is that crooked? Why are you leaking things to the media? You're supposed to

00:19:51.380 be the court. What the hell is wrong with the Canadian Judicial Council? Why do they hate Judge

00:19:56.420 Smith so much? Why are they prosecuting a man without even a complaint against him? Why are they continuing

00:20:02.580 their prosecution even after he complied with their bizarre demands? And then why are they leaking the

00:20:07.940 results like some cheap political intrigue rather than being the alleged counsel of the most senior

00:20:15.700 judges in the land? You want to know who brought the administration of justice into disrepute here?

00:20:22.020 Who makes judges look unethical and unreliable and politically motivated and untrustworthy and

00:20:27.460 punitive and biased? Yeah, it ain't Judge Smith, I'll tell you that. So I'm pleased to say that Judge

00:20:32.420 Smith sued the bastards. Technically speaking, he appealed the ruling of this council of judges. 0.99

00:20:37.940 Let me read. These applications focus on three issues. Whether the decision of the review panel

00:20:44.180 decision is reasonable, whether the CJC proceedings were procedurally unfair or an abusive process, and

00:20:51.060 if the applications succeed, what is the appropriate remedy? Oh, it is a pleasure to read the dozens of

00:20:57.140 pages to follow, but it wouldn't fit in this video monologue. Suffice it to say, Justice Zinn,

00:21:02.180 more or less accuses the Canadian Judicial Council of, quote, reverse engineering the verdict. As in,

00:21:08.900 they came up with their decision first, and then they tried to find some way to justify it. He says

00:21:14.100 they misinterpreted the law. They didn't use common sense, and they were just wrong about their ethical

00:21:19.300 accusations. But most damning to me is Justice Zinn's ruling that this Canadian Judicial Council engaged in

00:21:26.580 an abuse of process. As in, they had all this power in their hands, and they abused it. They were

00:21:34.820 corrupted. Here, read this. I find that the CJC disciplinary procedure was misused from the beginning,

00:21:43.780 when the executive director determined that Justice Smith accepting the appointment to the law school

00:21:48.020 was a matter that warrants consideration. Of course it didn't warrant consideration. Judge Smith got

00:21:54.180 permission from the chief judge and the justice minister. Then he took the interim job, no payment,

00:21:59.380 all sorts of checks and balances on them. If taking that job was unethical, then by definition,

00:22:07.140 so was the chief judge of the whole province and the justice minister, because they approved it,

00:22:11.540 really. Remember, not a single complaint to the judicial committee. And when they persecuted,

00:22:16.100 I'm not even going to say prosecuted. When they persecuted Judge Smith, they claimed it was because

00:22:20.980 the law doesn't allow them to take outside work, and then it puts them in an ethical bind.

00:22:24.740 They threw those baseless accusations at him, which were absurd. Like I said, Judge Zinn,

00:22:31.780 in his ruling here, accused the Canadian Judicial Council of just making up excuses to backfill

00:22:38.420 their hate for this guy. So why did they hate him? What was really motivating their persecution? Why

00:22:45.060 were they shaming him like this? Remember, Justice Zinn didn't say they just got it wrong.

00:22:51.460 They misused it. It was an abusive process. Why? This Judge Smith, I never met him, seems like a nice

00:22:57.860 enough guy. Seems like he loves Aboriginal people, lives in the North, loves the law, seems to be

00:23:03.380 politically sympathetic to vulnerable people. I dare say he sounds like a stand-up guy, someone who's sort of

00:23:09.540 a credit to the court. I think he's one of the good guys. I don't know him. I don't know him.

00:23:14.420 So why did they prosecute him, drive him out, sue him, condemn him, and then leak against him?

00:23:20.180 That's the lamest part. What's going on here? Well, Justice Zinn has a theory.

00:23:26.100 It's that article from Trudeau's CBC State Broadcaster. Take a look. Just for clarification

00:23:31.220 here, a reminder, Pidgin ACG is Associate Chief Justice Pidgin, the judge on the Judicial Council

00:23:38.660 who condemned Judge Smith. Let me quote. As noted above, the only information Justice Smith

00:23:44.820 had as to the substance of the matter was the initial letter of the executive director,

00:23:49.060 attaching one web page reporting that he had accepted the appointment, and it's a reference

00:23:53.220 to sections 54 and 55 of the Judges Act and the general duties and obligations of judges.

00:23:58.980 However, Pidgin, in his reasons for referring the matter to the review panel, indicates that

00:24:06.500 other material was before the executive director, which guided his actions and decisions. He writes,

00:24:13.700 Following Justice Smith's appointment as interim dean, First Nations leaders were upset and criticized

00:24:18.100 the lack of prior consultation and failure to follow the recommendations of the National Advisory

00:24:22.180 Committee on Aboriginal issues. They called on the university to rescind the appointment.

00:24:26.340 On the 9th of May 2018, given the public comments made in response to the statements made by First

00:24:32.580 Nations chiefs, the executive director of the Canadian Judicial Council wrote to Justice Patrick

00:24:37.380 Smith and his chief justice to obtain more information. None of this information was provided to Justice

00:24:43.540 Smith. Specifically, he was not informed of the executive director's concerns about the call for him to resign,

00:24:50.100 nor was he provided with any of the public comments made in response to statements made by First Nations chiefs, nor those statements.

00:24:58.660 Procedural fairness dictates that one is entitled to know the case to be met. This is a fundamental

00:25:04.100 procedural right the executive director failed to give to Justice Smith.

00:25:08.020 So let me explain if it's not clear. Some malcontents bitch about the fact that they weren't consulted 1.00

00:25:16.180 about Judge Smith for his temporary interim leadership. And so the CBC loves that because, 0.90

00:25:21.220 remember, the only narrative they accept about Aboriginal people is about grievance and victimology.

00:25:25.940 So here's some good guy coming to do them a favor for free, just a six-month patch while they get their act

00:25:31.780 together. Seems like a lovely man. But someone bitched to the CBC and the CBC makes an industry out of bitching.

00:25:37.940 And this scares or motivates Norman Sabarin and the rest of the cowards of the Canadian Judicial Council. 0.62

00:25:44.580 But they don't have the courage to actually tell Judge Smith why they're mad at him, why they hate him.

00:25:50.100 They probably don't even hate him. They're just so afraid of some CBC whipped up mob,

00:25:54.580 so afraid of political correctness that actually never materializes here, that they set up Judge Smith.

00:25:59.300 You get that? They set him up. They claim he was being disciplined for ethical corruption,

00:26:04.180 for illegally taking a side job, none of which is true. It's patently absurd. But because they lack 0.63

00:26:09.940 the moral courage or the plain old honesty to say what really motivated them, some CBC quoting some

00:26:16.820 unknown anonymous people bitching that no one asked them who should be the interim dean to run the law 0.99

00:26:22.020 school that's falling apart. And so based on that, the unethical Canadian Judicial Council

00:26:28.020 set out to destroy a good man, a better man than any of them, a man who had done more for

00:26:32.900 Aboriginal people than any of them, I'll tell you that. Let me quote Justice Zim.

00:26:38.340 I find that the CJC process involving Justice Smith was unfair to the point that it is contrary to

00:26:44.900 the interests of justice. It was an abuse of justice. Boom. You judges are unfair. It's in your bones. 0.93

00:26:57.460 The thing is about judges, all they have is their fairness. If a judge isn't fair, it's like salt

00:27:05.300 that's lost its saltiness. There's nothing left, is there? Except a bunch of overpaid political hacks.

00:27:13.940 Now look at this. Look at all the lawyers involved in this massive fight. The judge has a lawyer. The

00:27:20.580 judges he's suing each have lawyers. There are lawyers for lawyers. And then there's a judge judging

00:27:25.540 the judges who judged the judge. What, did this whole thing cost a million dollars? Probably.

00:27:31.780 Was it all unfair to Judge Smith? Absolutely. Because the cowards at the Canadian Judicial Council

00:27:38.580 were worried about some CBC political pout? Yes. And my point to you is this, my friends. 0.92

00:27:44.900 If these politically correct, abusive, secretive, biased, corrupt, unreasonable liars can do this to 0.83

00:27:57.220 one of their own, what do you think they would do to you? Stay with us for more. 0.93

00:28:14.900 Welcome back. Well, of course, even in times of crisis, a constitution matters, civil rights matter,

00:28:23.300 and one basic civil right is the freedom of the press. And even though you want a sense of national

00:28:28.980 purpose behind a national leader and his advisors, you also want critics, constructive critics, as we

00:28:36.420 call them in Canada, a loyal opposition, loyal to the country, critical of the man in power. Alas,

00:28:43.140 in Canada, we seem to have put the opposition on the back seat. Of course, parliament sits rarely,

00:28:50.500 and in many cases, online. The parliament itself was a grudging concession by Justin Trudeau, who

00:28:58.180 sought to rule by fiat for another year, spending's out of control. And of course, law enforcement has

00:29:03.940 gone nuts. In the United States, though, you see some of those phenomena, but you see another one.

00:29:10.100 The media, rather than being fawning like they are in Canada, have gone into overdrive with their

00:29:17.140 partisan attacks on Donald Trump. It's almost as if they're taking the side of the virus,

00:29:24.340 because whatever Trump is against, they are for. And if it's too much for them to take the side of

00:29:29.300 the virus, well, then they'll take the side of the closest thing, namely the People's Republic of

00:29:35.140 China. Which brings us to our next guest. His name is Ben Weingarten. He writes for The Federalist,

00:29:39.460 and the article we're talking about today is called, U.S. Media Helps China Spread Propaganda

00:29:46.100 About Wuhan Virus and Foreign Policy. And Ben joins us now by Skype. Good to see you again.

00:29:50.420 Thanks for being here.

00:29:51.220 Ezra, it's always a pleasure.

00:29:52.980 Well, let me just remind our viewers, we've talked to you several times before,

00:29:55.780 including about your great book about Ilhan Omar called American Ingrate. And we'll make sure that

00:30:03.380 we have the Amazon link underneath this video. I highly, highly recommend it. It's the authoritative

00:30:08.260 book. But Ben, you've done great work on the U.S. propaganda war. I got a question for you. Is this

00:30:14.980 just general left of center journalism that's always been soft on communism? Or is this, you know,

00:30:21.220 an enemy of my enemy is my friend? Anything that's against Trump, I like just to get Trump out.

00:30:28.340 I think it's a little bit of a combination of both. In addition to the fact that much of U.S. media has

00:30:36.660 a pecuniary interest in continuing the, what I would describe as establishment status quo,

00:30:44.180 the engagement or integrationist or accommodationist agenda, really an appeasement agenda with respect

00:30:51.140 to the communist Chinese party that has persisted for decades. Your viewers will note that, for

00:30:57.380 example, the Washington Post and the New York Times and many other publications as well,

00:31:01.620 have historically, and in some cases to this day, continued to run inserts from English language,

00:31:08.020 Chinese publications that are obviously derivatives of the Chinese Communist Party. And of course,

00:31:14.100 this extends into really every sector of America, whether it's the financial services sector,

00:31:19.620 and it's underwriting and capitalizing on fees for doing business with Chinese entities,

00:31:25.620 whether it's Hollywood, many of the films of which in the film studios are funded by Chinese money,

00:31:30.980 whether it's our academic institutions. So what we see in the media is sort of a microcosm of what we

00:31:35.860 see everywhere else, but the media is so zealous in its partisanship and hatred of Trump that it is

00:31:42.260 de facto taking the side of the Chinese Communist Party against the Trump administration in this.

00:31:47.380 But to your broader point about, well, is this just a reflection of the fact that our media,

00:31:51.780 which is leftist, always sides with the leftist adversaries of the United States? Yes,

00:31:56.580 that's certainly as well a part of it. You know, even in Canada, I know what you're talking about,

00:32:02.420 those inserts. I think they're called China Watch, which makes them feel like, oh, this is going to

00:32:07.540 be skeptical. I'm interested in a China Watch too, but it's actually published by the Chinese embassy

00:32:13.300 or the foreign ministry. In Canadian universities, we have Confucius Institutes, which are little

00:32:18.820 propaganda arms. And of course, it's just plain old cash. I saw a calculation that the University of

00:32:24.660 British Columbia, which has thousands of Chinese nationals, I think 6,000 Chinese nationals attend

00:32:32.900 that one Canadian university. They represent a quarter billion dollar a year revenue stream.

00:32:39.620 University president's job is pretty much one thing, raise money. And they're going to take

00:32:43.460 the side of Communist China every time. That doesn't even touch on money for research from Huawei and

00:32:48.340 whatnot. I think it's bad up here. I've seen it said that Canada is the worst in the world.

00:32:55.700 How is it in the States? I guess it's tough for you to compare because you probably don't follow

00:32:59.700 the Canadian side of things. Are all these establishments, have they all been corrupted

00:33:05.860 in America? Or are there still great institutions in America that are skeptical of Communist China?

00:33:11.780 Well, I hate to say that I think directionally, America is pointing the same way as China,

00:33:19.380 with the exception of the fact that this presidential administration, and indeed,

00:33:23.620 even much of the bureaucracy that has largely been hostile to the Trump administration,

00:33:28.500 has really taken a much firmer line on Communist China than ever before. It still goes in fits and

00:33:34.420 starts. There are still differentials between different parts of the bureaucracy in terms of just how

00:33:39.380 hawkish they are with respect to the Chinese Communist Party. But if you look at our civil society,

00:33:44.820 many of our lawmakers, and historically our political institutions, yes, the corruption of

00:33:50.180 China has been self-evident, quite frankly. And I think it points to something, really another failure 0.97

00:33:56.100 of the globalist elites. And this extends from the US to Canada, to Western Europe, and even Eastern

00:34:02.340 Europe in some cases and beyond. The notion post-Cold War that economic liberalization,

00:34:09.060 that is commercial relations between free nations and Communist China would lead Communist China towards

00:34:17.060 political and cultural liberalization, was and is a total farce. And the Trump administration's

00:34:22.260 national security strategy stated this flatly. Even more so than that, it actually went the other way.

00:34:28.740 Commercial relations with China ended up corrupting us. It compromised the West. And it has led us in 1.00

00:34:34.420 many cases to engage in all sorts of self-righteously suicidal policies that have built up Communist China 0.69

00:34:40.660 to the point where today it threatens the US as the most powerful nation in the world. And you see it acting,

00:34:47.780 lashing out in all sorts of ways that are sort of unprecedented, really, as the regime has

00:34:52.900 bite at its time and hit its capabilities as Dung suggested that it should do during the late 1980s.

00:34:59.540 Yeah. Yeah, I want to play a clip that comes to my mind based on what you said. I mean, obviously,

00:35:05.380 we know the NBA is very interested in China. Hollywood is very interested in China. And okay,

00:35:12.340 sports. I mean, it's a cultural icon. And sports heroes are public heroes. But okay, it's just basketball.

00:35:19.620 And with movies, it's a little bit irritating to have movies burglarized a little bit. But I want

00:35:24.980 to show you an interview that I found truly shocking. And I've watched this about five times.

00:35:30.020 I find it gripping. It's Michael Bloomberg, who, until a couple months ago, was a serious,

00:35:38.180 if long shot candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination. He's one of the richest men in the world.

00:35:44.340 I think he's worth more than $50 billion. He's not just in financial communications,

00:35:49.700 but he's as a general newswire, Bloomberg. He's a big deal. And because he personally and his company

00:35:56.820 has such ambitions in China, he said things that if they were said by an NBA player or a Hollywood actor, 1.00

00:36:04.660 we'd laugh and say, oh, you're such an idiot. Stick to acting. This is a man, former mayor, 1.00

00:36:09.460 Democratic president, like a serious, serious man of public policy. I think you probably know

00:36:15.380 the interview I'm talking to, where he says that China, no, no, no, it's actually a democracy. Here,

00:36:19.540 take a look at this.

00:36:20.980 Xi Jinping is not a dictator. He has to satisfy his constituents, or he's not going to survive.

00:36:26.260 He's not a dictator?

00:36:27.060 No, he has to. He has a constituency to answer to.

00:36:34.740 He doesn't have a vote. He doesn't have a democracy. He's not held accountable by voters.

00:36:39.860 That doesn't mean he can survive if his advisers gave him-

00:36:41.780 Is they check on him just a revolution?

00:36:44.340 He's not going to have a revolution. No government survives without the will of the majority of its

00:36:49.620 people. Ben, I find that such a head-scratcher. I mean, he, I can understand someone saying that,

00:36:57.060 to a Chinese dictator, that's total fawning. But to say that with a straight face, I don't

00:37:01.940 know if he actually believes it, or if he's just so programmed to say it. But that, I think that's

00:37:07.220 exactly what you're talking about. We didn't make them more like us. They made us more like them.

00:37:14.420 Our so-called elites tow the Chinese Communist Party line, and there are myriad explanations for it.

00:37:21.060 But one of the biggest ones is certainly greed. And the basis of the opening to China,

00:37:26.740 if you go back, and I've been doing a lot of work on the history of this in connection with

00:37:29.620 the book that I'm working on. If you go back to the 70s, the start of relations, even before

00:37:35.060 Nixon's opening to China, there was already the easing of bilateral trade restrictions that had

00:37:41.860 existed. Trade and commerce has always been sort of the basis of it. So baked into the cake

00:37:47.380 was the notion of greed. This is an untapped mess of market that we need to exploit. But I think

00:37:52.900 going back to that Bloomberg clip, what it almost evidences is the fact that it views as if it's

00:37:59.860 someone giving a confession on Chinese state-run television. That is almost the level at which our

00:38:06.500 elites are willing to tow Chinese Communist propaganda effectively, basically to maintain the status quo and

00:38:13.620 continue this failed notion of engagement that has resulted in empowering a mortal adversary, a mortal

00:38:20.260 enemy that threatens all of our liberties in the West. And it's shameful. And the question that needs

00:38:26.180 to be posed to all of these people, many of whom among our elites claim to be proponents of progressive

00:38:31.620 policies and social justice warriors, in spite of the fact that China flouts all of the principles and 0.97

00:38:37.700 values that they act as if they speak for, the question that has to be asked is, is it and was it

00:38:45.220 was it worth it to sell out our short-term, to trade our short-term economic interest for long-term

00:38:52.980 national interest? Are we okay with that trade of effectively selling our soul for profits and

00:39:00.020 cheaper goods associated with China while China is winning the competition to be the top world power

00:39:06.340 and to control our lives ultimately? And I don't think they have a good answer for that, quite frankly,

00:39:11.220 but the question is very rarely posed. Yeah. You know, we had Gordon Chang on the show the other day and he told

00:39:16.420 me about the new Pew research study. I didn't know that they had updated that. And so last month, Pew surveyed

00:39:23.460 Americans again on China, asked a lot of very interesting questions. And I was very heartened to see

00:39:30.820 that grassroots Americans of both parties are pretty wise to China. In fact, I think the favorable, unfavorable

00:39:38.100 towards China, even for Democrats, going from memory, I think 62% of Democrats have an unfavorable

00:39:44.180 view of China. Under the Obama administration, it was sort of reversed. And under Obama, Americans

00:39:51.700 thought China was the world leader. So I see a lot of hope in, as Orwell would say, the hope lies with 0.71

00:39:58.420 the proles. Ordinary, severely normal people. And by the way, and I'm just going from memory,

00:40:05.140 the number one beef Americans have with China is pollution, which is interesting because you 0.99

00:40:11.620 never hear them criticize for global warming. Number two, cyber attacks. Number three and four,

00:40:17.620 jobs in the economy. So I mean, these are issues that the mainstream media, I think, doesn't emphasize.

00:40:24.980 So I find it incredibly encouraging that grassroots Americans, and I imagine Canada is similar,

00:40:31.140 if not the same, see through the Bloombergs and the NBAs and the Hollywood shills.

00:40:36.980 They see China for what it is. I think Trump is a big factor of that. I think ordinary Americans are

00:40:41.700 fed up with China. What do you think? 0.93

00:40:44.820 A hundred percent agree. And those polls, one of the data points that comes out is that nine

00:40:50.740 in 10 Americans, approximately nine in 10 Americans, view China as a threat. It just illustrates so 1.00

00:40:58.500 perfectly the chasm between the elites who think that they are in the mainstream and that their view

00:41:04.420 is the predominant view, are so out of touch with the people that they're supposedly representing.

00:41:10.980 The fact that Trump was elected, I think China was a big part of it. It wasn't a direct

00:41:15.940 point in that Americans didn't vote for Donald Trump on the basis of the China-specific policy. But in terms of

00:41:22.180 the idea of this is an adversarial nation that's taken advantage of us, that's hurt our nation's

00:41:28.820 interests in any number of ways, and all of these elites have been making deal after deal with them,

00:41:33.140 that's terrible for us. That was a core narrative that underpinned what he ran on and it resonated

00:41:39.220 with millions of Americans. I think Americans reflexively sort of understand or understood

00:41:45.460 the China threat, but it's been underscored perfectly in context of the coronavirus crisis.

00:41:50.980 And I just pray that our leadership, and this really has to be a global thing ultimately,

00:41:55.620 but America as the leading world power in the sort of anti-Chinese Communist Party bloc,

00:42:01.460 I pray that they look to these polls and that that hardens our policymakers in devising policies that are

00:42:08.180 going to be difficult to implement and require coordination and doing things that might hurt us in the short

00:42:13.380 term to take on and confront this CCP that is a menace to the world. And as we see presently,

00:42:20.340 really threatens to effectively subsume Hong Kong ahead of schedule, threatens Taiwan, does all sorts of

00:42:26.340 menacing things. Australia, for example, they've threatened to use economic coercion against Australia.

00:42:31.140 To me, Australia is actually the canary in the coal mine for the Anglosphere in terms of what happens

00:42:35.940 if you get too close to the Chinese Communist Party. And so I hope that our leadership in the West

00:42:41.380 looks to these polls and uses them to get behind a slew of policies that deal with this massive

00:42:48.020 generational problem. I think it's at least a generational problem. It's probably multi-generational,

00:42:53.300 quite frankly. It took a generation to get into the problem. It'll probably take a generation to get

00:42:57.140 out. You're very correct to point to Australia. They're further down the road than us. You know,

00:43:01.940 I was thinking we're talking about cultural elites. And I remember about 15 years ago, I mean,

00:43:07.140 I'm in Toronto now, but I had passes to the Toronto International Film Festival, which is sort of a big

00:43:12.660 deal in this town amongst the fancy pants set. And I sort of liked it because you could go see a movie

00:43:17.940 before it was out and you could have a meet and greet with the stars. It was very exciting for me

00:43:22.260 as Simple Boy from the Prairies. And I happened to go when all the anti-war, anti-American Iraq-themed

00:43:30.820 movies were coming out. And they were all terrible. And by the way, they all did terrible at the box

00:43:37.300 office. I'm not saying that the war itself ought to be praised, but they were, they all felt so

00:43:42.900 anti-American. And there was, there was a dozen of them. I remember seeing the Valley of Elah,

00:43:49.940 which did, was a huge box office flop. And in the midst of this, a movie called 300,

00:43:56.180 if you recall about Sparta, became a shocking surprise hit. Obviously it was a historical movie,

00:44:02.820 but I think it was the first thing that sort of praised being patriotic and defensive. And then

00:44:07.840 a few years later, Clint Eastwood's American Sniper, again, a huge hit. And it makes me think

00:44:15.820 Hollywood, they don't dare lay a finger on China because they're worried they'll lose box,

00:44:22.100 they won't be allowed to show the movie in China. And so, but if someone came along and did an

00:44:29.820 American sniper, did a movie that wasn't a caricature, but that was patriotic and that was

00:44:35.300 touched the heartstrings on some of these issues, I think Americans would rally to it. And I don't

00:44:42.000 know, forgive me for this tangent, but I remember a time when all of American opinion elites seemed to

00:44:48.780 be anti-American to get out George Bush. I feel like it's a repeat now, but it's with China. I 0.78

00:44:54.860 don't know what you make of that analogy, but it just sort of struck me listening to what you were

00:44:58.180 saying. I think it's certainly an apt analogy. I'm not sure as much hatred as there was of George W.

00:45:05.520 Bush. The difference with Trump is that he really threatens the gravy train. He really threatens the

00:45:12.240 establishment in a way that no Republican president, save for Reagan really, in any of the immediate

00:45:18.420 decades before him, can even come close to. And so, and the fact that he fights back the way that

00:45:23.980 he does makes them hate him to an even greater extent. George W. Bush would never punch back the

00:45:28.720 way that Donald Trump has punched back. He would never upset the apple cart in terms of taking on

00:45:33.940 the bureaucracy, the national security and foreign policy establishment in the way Trump has. So the

00:45:38.720 hatred is something that is even beyond the way it's ever been. What is maybe new to some extent is

00:45:44.180 just how much our media really colludes with the bureaucracy, the permanent administrative state

00:45:50.380 that exists here. But going back to your tangent about the media and cultural part of this,

00:45:55.280 it is worth noting there's one series, I believe, on television, on Amazon Prime.

00:46:00.520 It's called Bosch. And I believe Michael Auslin wrote a great article about this several months back

00:46:06.200 in National Review, where he talked about the fact that Bosch sort of portrays Chinese Communist

00:46:11.160 Party-associated figures negatively. And it's an Amazon Prime series. And you wonder, huh,

00:46:15.860 why is it that Amazon would run this series? Well, the answer is China doesn't give Amazon access to

00:46:20.540 its marketplace. Same thing, there's a documentary, One Child Nation, that I saw actually at the Tribeca

00:46:26.440 Film Festival, which I imagine is sort of analogous to the Toronto Film Festival that you mentioned that

00:46:31.520 showed the horrors of the One Child policy. That got great reviews and a pretty big viewing in the

00:46:36.960 United States as well. The more things that accurately portray the nature of the Chinese 0.99

00:46:41.860 Communist Party, the better. I think that truth is the biggest weapon that can be wielded against the

00:46:48.000 Chinese Communist Party, just like the Soviet Union would not brook any dissent either. And by the way,

00:46:54.140 to overcome the Soviet Union, a massive part of the Western effort in general and the U.S. effort in

00:46:59.360 particular, was flooding the zone with truth, with counterpropaganda in the best sense of the term,

00:47:06.840 not in the pejorative sense of the term. We're starting to do that in the U.S. with respect to

00:47:11.180 the Chinese Communist Party, including our deputy national security advisor, delivering two recent

00:47:16.200 speeches in Mandarin, one directed at the Chinese people in a pro-democracy speech and another directed

00:47:22.380 at Taiwan that was very complimentary of their recent elections and inauguration as well. I think you're

00:47:28.240 going to see more of that and I think it's imperative because that information war that China has started 0.95

00:47:33.860 to wage against us, we need to be engaged in that battle because, again, ideas ultimately really are

00:47:39.620 quite powerful in this competition that we're in. Well, that is very interesting and thank you for

00:47:44.920 telling me that I'm going to look up those Mandarin speeches. I'm sure I could find them quickly and

00:47:49.780 maybe we'll do a show built around them. I got one last question. Be very generous with your time,

00:47:53.600 Ben. Thank you. And I know we didn't dig into your article a lot, but I've had this question about

00:47:58.580 the media because in Canada, the media has lost all its pride as it's lost its economics. And so in

00:48:05.340 our country, besides the CBC, our state broadcaster, which is larger than all other news media combined,

00:48:12.640 by the way, so it takes $1.5 billion a year from Trudeau, which proportionally would be like $15

00:48:20.720 billion in America because you're 10 times our size. But now all the newspapers are on a $600 million

00:48:27.460 newspaper bailout. Again, that would be like $6 billion just for the printing press papers in America.

00:48:33.920 So they're sold out. They've sold out ideologically. They're now all beholden to Trudeau, but they're

00:48:42.720 still failing. Which brings me to this question. Who owns newspapers? Well, Carlos Slim owns the New York

00:48:50.860 Times and Jeff Bezos that you mentioned on the Washington Post. They're collectibles now for

00:48:55.800 billionaires who maybe they'll make money off it, but more likely they just want to seat at the table

00:49:01.280 in a national or international discussion. And newspapers are trading at historic lows in the stock

00:49:07.800 market. If it were to be bought that way or private deals or through shell corporations,

00:49:13.040 I can't believe that a major newspaper is not yet bought, even if it's through various

00:49:20.800 cutouts by China. They have all the money. They've got the foreign currency. Are you worried that it will

00:49:28.960 happen or do you think it has happened that Chinese money is saying, well, let's buy up these all too

00:49:35.960 willing journalists because they're for sale of bargain prices. Is that too paranoid on my part?

00:49:43.540 No, if anything, it's probably not paranoid enough in my view. Look, I think, first of all,

00:49:49.700 we've seen the Department of Justice and members of Congress as well have been pushing on this

00:49:54.760 in the U.S. start focusing on the Foreign Agent Registration Act, FARA, to start designate Chinese

00:50:03.200 media companies that exist in the U.S. and force them to register as foreign agents because they

00:50:09.560 are propaganda agents. Of course, FARA has also been abused in other contexts, so I'm not wholly

00:50:14.520 sanguine on that sort of tactic. All that said, China probably views itself as already holding the

00:50:22.780 cards to some extent when it comes to U.S. media, given that they have basically premised,

00:50:29.020 conditioned access to mainland China on not running to a foul of what the Chinese Communist Party wants

00:50:37.260 you to print. They've gotten papers to bend over backwards to meet the kind of strictures

00:50:43.280 that China has implemented. And of course, now it does appear that they're starting to

00:50:47.240 kick U.S. journalists out and we're starting to kick their propagandists out of the U.S. as well.

00:50:53.240 But I think absolutely, they'll look to take any advantage they possibly can to engage in the

00:50:57.640 information side. The more it can look like they are not the ones in control of it, the better.

00:51:03.300 So I think to your point, whether it's shell corporations or other cutouts, they're going

00:51:06.740 to look to do everything they can to compromise us. But even better from their perspective is

00:51:10.880 Americans who on the surface don't look like they could be bought and paid for de facto, if not 1.00

00:51:16.200 de jure agents of the Chinese Communist Party, spouting their propaganda. That is the best thing money can 0.97

00:51:22.000 buy if they don't even need to spend any money on it. Because, for example, there's such great hatred

00:51:26.640 of our president. And there's a mutual feeling between our media and the CCP that he poses a

00:51:32.920 threat to the CCP's minds. Then that's even better. So I think today the media is sort of doing the job

00:51:38.140 for them. At a future time, I absolutely believe they will try to do everything they can to engage

00:51:44.440 in those sorts of transactions. And there are laws on the books that allows the U.S., for example,

00:51:49.180 to defend itself against them. That's not the case in every country around the world. But it really

00:51:53.780 ought to be because, again, information and ideas are such a critical part of what the CCP is engaged

00:51:59.420 in that we need to look at blocking every avenue they take to trying to corrupt our institutions

00:52:05.160 and propagandizing and influencing public sentiments so that ultimately they do triumph in this war of

00:52:10.340 ideas that one side has been engaged in to this point. Finally, it seems like we're stepping up to

00:52:14.800 the plate as well.

00:52:15.940 You know, just listening to you, I'm convinced that there's no need to buy a newspaper.

00:52:19.480 Why would you bother buying a newspaper when you own the Internet forums? Literally today I was

00:52:24.920 reading a story from 2015 when Mark Zuckerberg, the boss of Facebook, met Xi Jinping. And I know you

00:52:34.260 won't believe this without seeing it, so we'll put the headline up on the screen here. Mark Zuckerberg

00:52:39.500 went to Xi Jinping and said, we're expecting a baby. We would like you to do us the honor of naming

00:52:46.540 our baby. That is so stunning. He, of course, boasted about speaking, learning Mandarin just to speak to

00:52:54.700 him. You don't need to buy some printing press, some oily ink-stained printing press, when you've got

00:53:01.680 Mark Zuckerberg begging a tyrant to name his child. Why would you waste any money when you have, as

00:53:10.060 Lenin would say, a useful idiot? Last word to you. 1.00

00:53:13.980 Yeah, just to add on to that, look, our social media companies censor patriotic Americans,

00:53:21.020 patriotic Canadians, patriotic anyone in the Western world who's pro-Western. Anyone who dares

00:53:26.880 challenge the WHO, for example, gets censored. And meanwhile, these Chinese propagandists and many 0.77

00:53:33.420 other propagandists on behalf of other regimes as well get to act with total impunity in social media.

00:53:38.880 And I think that really says it all. It's more than disturbing. It really poses an existential

00:53:44.180 threat to our way of life. And that's why it's so critical to keep exposing it.

00:53:48.820 Ben Weingarten of the Federalist, what a pleasure to catch up with you. Thanks for giving us so much

00:53:52.840 of your time. Always an education. Keep it up. Great to see you.

00:53:56.980 Appreciate it. It's always a pleasure on my end, Ezra.

00:53:58.800 All right. Thanks very much. Well, there you have it. Stay with us. More ahead on The Rebel.

00:54:08.880 Hey, welcome back. On my monologue yesterday about two new opinion polls on China, Doug writes,

00:54:17.640 China is out to conquer the world. This is their ultimate goal. They will do it any way they can. 1.00

00:54:23.420 I think you're right. And the way that terrifies me the most is economically, because that undermines

00:54:30.240 our core as Western free market capitalists. I mean, when you have the Michael Bloomberg's of the

00:54:37.600 world making the case for China, it's much more persuasive than having some Chinese ambassador do

00:54:43.220 it. And the reason Michael Bloomberg's saying that is not because deep in his heart of hearts,

00:54:48.060 he's a fascist authoritarian, although maybe actually he is. It's because he's got his entire

00:54:54.060 wealth tied up in China. So he's making mental acrobatics to make it work. Same thing with the NBA.

00:54:58.780 The NBA is not naturally a pro-China organization. It's just following the money. That's what scares

00:55:05.560 me. And that's why Trump is so right when he says, bring the factories back, put on the tariffs,

00:55:11.040 take away the economic incentives. Anyways, I thought the whole thing was interesting.

00:55:16.500 Anna writes, it's not the ethnicity that people are upset about. It's their politics. It's communism.

00:55:21.200 Same as when Russia was the USSR. Exactly. And I don't know if you remember my show a few weeks ago

00:55:26.880 when the CBC went after the Falun Gong-based Epoch Times newspaper. They're ethnic Chinese who were

00:55:35.080 democracy activists tortured by China. Like China, actually, I won't get into it. It's too gross. 1.00

00:55:40.940 I'll just say this. They, well, I won't say it. You know, organ harvesting. It's a thing. Google it.

00:55:47.580 So to call the Epoch Times anti-Chinese or racist or inflammatory, as the CBC did, is such a lie.

00:55:55.520 They are ethnic Chinese. But the CBC is using Communist Party language to smear opponents.

00:56:01.280 On my interview with Jim Carajalio, Sandy writes, you besmirched Jim again. He would be an excellent

00:56:08.720 PM. He has integrity. You, you should apologize to Jim. We are very disappointed in your response

00:56:13.880 to the letter writer. Oh my goodness. I'm in trouble again. Well, listen, I like Jim. How many times do I

00:56:21.260 have to say it? Listen, you know I like him. I've had him on, what, four times now in the past? In fact,

00:56:26.560 today at 12 noon, Jim was on my live call-in show. It's called a super chat. People can type comments

00:56:35.420 live and I read them and I put the questions to Jim. So I think Jim's got a thicker skin for himself

00:56:40.520 than you have for him because he came back on my show today. He was on the show for half an hour

00:56:44.660 and we put questions to him. I like Jim. That doesn't mean I'm going to say I believe he can win

00:56:52.000 if I don't think he can win. And I'm not saying that's a good thing that he can't win. I'm just saying

00:56:55.660 politics is a very tough and serious business at that level. And if you want to be the leader of

00:57:00.220 a party, you need to have certain assets and networks and resources and allies. And if you

00:57:06.780 want to be the prime minister, you've got to be the best of the best. If you're going to try and

00:57:11.000 unseat Justin Trudeau with the media party in his corner. I like Jim Carahalius. It doesn't mean

00:57:16.800 I'm going to say I think he can totally knock off Justin Trudeau. I wouldn't say that to you if I

00:57:22.720 don't believe it. That's not me being mean to Jim. Anyways, he doesn't agree with you because

00:57:27.900 he came on my show again today and he didn't seem like his feelings were hurt. Anyways, that's a

00:57:32.800 strange note to end on, but we will end it there. I hope you enjoyed our works this week. And until

00:57:37.920 next week, keep watching our YouTube videos and, you know, keep fighting for freedom. We got to.

00:57:44.400 The battle's here in Canada now too with this whole pandemic overreaction. All right. Good night,

00:57:49.020 everybody. Bye-bye.

Rebel News Podcast - May 23, 2020

Judges tried to destroy one of their own — because of one CBC article. Imagine what they could do to you.

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