Rebel News Podcast - May 28, 2020


Last night, China claimed that Meng Wanzhou, the Huawei executive, would win her court case today. She didn’t.

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Meng Wanzhou Justin Trudeau Sheila Gunn-Reed Show David Menzies Show Speaker Miss Meng Michael Spavor Michael Kovrig B.C. Jeff Wanzhou Huawei Heather Holmes Jennifer Zhang Tommy Robinson Uighur Muslims Sheila Gunnery Lauren Gunter Zhao Lijian Bill Gates Falun Gong and 10 more
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I wrote this before I knew the verdict in the Meng Wanzhou extradition case, because I thought they must have hacked the courthouse. But in the end, the Chinese propaganda was false, so I quickly rewrote it with the truth.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I wrote this podcast before I knew the verdict in the Meng Wanzhou Huawei
00:00:07.900 extradition case. And I wrote it because I sort of thought I knew what was going to happen,
00:00:12.900 because the Chinese propaganda press said, oh, we won, we won. I thought they must have hacked the
00:00:18.420 courthouse. But in the end, the Chinese propaganda was false. So I quickly rewrote it with the truth. 0.55
00:00:26.640 So I think you'll get a kick out of that part of this. But some good news, some good news,
00:00:33.060 some real justice in Canada. Let me take you through the case. Let me read to you a passage
00:00:38.020 from the Meng Wanzhou extradition case today. I read about four paragraphs from the ruling. I
00:00:43.020 think you'll find it interesting. Hey, before I do, can I invite you to become a Rebel News Plus
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00:00:55.800 Show and David Menzies Show, too. You can get all that at rebelnews.com. Okay, here's the podcast.
00:01:16.580 Tonight, last night, China claimed that Meng Wanzhou, the Huawei executive, would win her court case
00:01:23.180 today. But she didn't. It's May 27th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:29.920 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:33.560 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:37.600 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my
00:01:42.240 bloody right to do so.
00:01:43.500 I've been through a few court cases in my life, and you can sometimes get a feeling for
00:01:52.800 how it's going, usually, actually. But you're not completely sure until the court issues its
00:01:58.000 judgment. Meng Wanzhou, the chief financial officer for the giant Chinese tech company called
00:02:04.240 Huawei, who also just happens to be the founder's daughter, she seemed to think she would win her
00:02:10.620 a lengthy battle today in a Vancouver courthouse. Canadian police had arrested her in, I think it
00:02:16.600 was December 2018, at the request of the United States, who wanted her for a variety of financial
00:02:21.980 crimes, including for violating sanctions against Iran, and for fraud, and for stealing trade secrets,
00:02:28.920 I think. I know what you're thinking. China would never do those things. Well, that's what Meng says
00:02:34.640 too. And she hired what I presume are the best lawyers in the country to defend her. 1.00
00:02:38.420 She, of course, made bail. I mean, they could have asked her to post a billion-dollar bond 0.82
00:02:44.460 for her, and it would be like asking, arresting Bill Gates. You'd pretty much pay whatever they
00:02:50.060 want. So she's been enjoying her time in Vancouver as much as you can when you have a legal cloud
00:02:55.160 over your head. But to be honest, if there was any city in Canada that you had to be trapped in,
00:03:00.300 Vancouver would rank pretty high up there, especially if you're Chinese. There were so many Chinese 1.00
00:03:04.520 amenities in that town. And I'm not just talking about Chinese restaurants and shops and luxury
00:03:09.660 malls. There are thousands of pro-Beijing expats. I'm talking about Chinese nationals,
00:03:14.940 not Chinese Canadian citizens, in Vancouver who are still actively loyal to the Chinese Communist
00:03:21.340 Party. They literally have a kind of Chinese military legion here in Canada, where they still dress up in
00:03:29.300 their People's Liberation Army uniforms and pledge loyalty not to Canada, but to the Communist Party.
00:03:34.580 So yeah, it's not being bad for her. Not so much for Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig, the two Canadian
00:03:41.260 hostages kidnapped by Beijing in what they freely admit is a tit for tat. Unlike Meng, they were not
00:03:49.500 released on bail. They have been kept in a prison of sorts. In a form of torture, one report I read says
00:03:56.140 the lights in their rooms never go off. I'm sorry, that's torture. They have been denied visits from
00:04:01.140 family, of course, but also from Canadian diplomats. It's really quite shocking. China presents itself to 0.95
00:04:06.060 the world and certainly to itself as a modern, leading, respectable member of the community of
00:04:10.880 nations, demanding respect, running the world. Seriously, China runs more UN agencies than any other
00:04:17.940 country. The International Civil Aviation Organization, the Food and Agricultural Organization, the UN Industrial
00:04:24.060 Development Organization, the International Telecommunications Union, and of course, the World
00:04:28.940 Health Organization. That's nuts. How did that happen? Well, with the support of sympathizers like
00:04:35.180 Justin Trudeau, of course, who needs China's support for, in his case, his bizarre obsession with winning
00:04:40.160 a vote of the world's countries for a temporary seat on the UN Security Council. Trudeau has spent billions
00:04:47.900 of dollars in foreign aid, including to China, by the way, to try to bribe his way onto that worthless
00:04:52.660 talk shop. I'm not kidding, just as the pandemic was raging through Canada, Trudeau went on a UN
00:04:58.700 vote-seeking junket through Africa, literally meeting the most corrupt leaders in the world,
00:05:04.380 knowing that if he couldn't convince our allies to support him, he could surely convince our enemies
00:05:09.740 to support him. I think that's one important reason why he's been so soft on China. That's why he refuses
00:05:16.240 to say a hard word about China, even though our two hostages have been held there for coming up on 600
00:05:21.280 days. That's why our shocking foreign minister just wouldn't, just couldn't thank Taiwan, the free,
00:05:27.120 democratic, pro-Western Republic of China, when it sent Canada a huge shipment of clean, safe face
00:05:33.140 masks from its stockpile. Don't offend the Chinese Communist Party. Don't offend the jailer of the two 0.96
00:05:37.900 Michaels. This question is directed to the Minister of Foreign Affairs. On March 28th, he personally tweeted
00:05:45.680 out a thank you to the People's Republic of China for donating PPEs to Canada. This tweet happened within
00:05:53.200 three hours of China announcing that gift. Now, as it turned out, many of these PPEs were defective and
00:05:59.580 could not be used. More recently, Taiwan donated half a million surgical masks to Canada. And yet, here we are,
00:06:08.240 two weeks later, and the minister has yet to personally thank Taiwan for its generosity. Will the
00:06:14.440 minister now thank this free and democratic country for its generous gift to Canadians?
00:06:21.160 The Honourable Minister.
00:06:23.400 Mr. Speaker, I'd like to thank my colleague for the question. Indeed, we are very grateful to every
00:06:28.580 nation for helping Canada. This is a global pandemic which knows no border. We have been expressing our
00:06:34.620 thanks to many nations who have contributed. We will continue to do so. It is important at the time of
00:06:40.080 the pandemic, Mr. Speaker, that we don't play politics, that humanity comes together. I can say
00:06:45.420 to my COVID foreign minister's call, the world community has come together to make sure that we
00:06:51.340 would make sure that supply chain would remain intact, that we would have transit up, that we
00:06:55.900 would have air bridges. And we will continue, Mr. Speaker, to work with every nation when it comes to
00:07:01.780 health. This is a public good that we want to work together.
00:07:04.340 You will go back to Mr. Fast now.
00:07:06.700 Well, Mr. Speaker, I didn't hear a thank you there.
00:07:09.340 Anyways, today was the day the Canadian court announced its ruling about Meng's extradition.
00:07:15.520 Apparently, there were special rules put in place by the court to delay the announcement until 9 a.m.
00:07:20.500 Pacific time this morning. Here's an independent news outlet in Vancouver called The Breaker.
00:07:25.540 They said Associate Chief Justice Heather Holmes ruled that the lawyers for Meng and the Government of
00:07:30.720 Canada on behalf of the U.S. are not to receive copies of the double criminality verdict until
00:07:36.140 9 a.m. Vancouver time. So you can see the markings on that. That comment was posted very late last
00:07:42.080 night. So the point is that the verdict would obviously remain a secret until 9 a.m. B.C. time
00:07:50.160 this morning. But look what The Breaker was replying to. It was a story from a Chinese democracy
00:07:55.420 activist. Jennifer Zhang, one of my favorite sources for news, excuse me, about China. She had
00:08:02.840 written, wow, Chinese media is announcing that Huawei's Meng Wanzhou will be released after the
00:08:09.140 Canada court finds her innocent and she can return to China in four days. By the way, the court will
00:08:14.000 decide her fate tomorrow. Wow, indeed. So this was all last night. That's a pretty specific moment.
00:08:19.780 Will be released. Will be acquitted. Will return to China in four days. Not five, not three.
00:08:25.420 Well, hang on. How would China know that? Did they bribe the judge or alternatively extort or 1.00
00:08:31.860 threaten the judge? Not impossible, but I very much doubt it. Just too risky in Canada. The vast
00:08:36.760 majority of judges are honest and in any attempt to do that sort of thing would probably be reported
00:08:41.520 right away by the judge to police and CSIS. And it would cause a huge legal media and diplomatic
00:08:47.080 scandal and likely create more prosecutions. So no, I don't think the judge was bribed or extorted.
00:08:52.580 But all night and this morning, I was sure of this. I mean, the Chinese were so brazen about it, 1.00
00:08:59.000 so adamant. If Meng had indeed won, I would have just assumed she had won her case on the legal
00:09:05.100 merits. That happens. Canada isn't exactly known for the strictness of our judicial system. But I'm not
00:09:11.980 so much talking about the verdict itself. I could see her winning. I can see her losing. I'm talking
00:09:16.260 about how did the Chinese government know what the verdict was going to be, whatever it was. How do they
00:09:21.240 know in advance, I mean, and boast about it in advance? Was it a sheer guess? That's a pretty big bet
00:09:27.360 to make for a dictatorship that values saving face. Imagine getting that wrong. It would be like that
00:09:32.680 newspaper that erroneously ran the front page, Dewey defeats Truman. Yeah, no, you didn't. That's a
00:09:37.520 classic. So all night I wondered, I thought the most likely solution to this puzzle was that they just
00:09:43.080 hacked the court's computer system or one of the lawyers or a cell phone or the whole system. I mean,
00:09:49.100 for goodness sakes, she's the CFO of Huawei, the leading tech company in China with ties to the
00:09:55.260 Chinese dictatorship, perhaps the world leader in cyber attacks and espionage. This is sort of what 0.88
00:10:01.360 they do. Huawei built itself on the grave of Canada's once great tech company now deceased
00:10:06.900 called Nortel. They just hacked it, stole all the trade secrets, industrial secrets. Frankly,
00:10:12.220 Canadian engineers built Huawei. China just stole that intellectual property. Do you think they
00:10:17.380 couldn't just hack this information too? Do they lack the technical ability? Do you doubt they have
00:10:24.540 the motivation? Do you think the courthouse in Vancouver has Pentagon grade CIA quality cyber
00:10:30.560 defenses? Could even be a law clerk or a judge that just used a non-encrypted Wi-Fi doing work at the
00:10:36.840 local Starbucks maybe. So yeah, that's the dictatorship Trudeau most admires.
00:10:41.780 There's a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship...
00:10:52.220 I don't know if you saw this over the weekend. Meng and her friends got all dressed up and went to
00:10:57.080 the BC Supreme Court and posed for glamorous victory photos on the courthouse steps. I'm serious. Look at
00:11:02.740 that joy, that confidence, that certainty, that jubilation, that victory. Imagine doing that four
00:11:07.300 days before the virtue is in. That's what you look like when you think you already have read the ruling
00:11:11.980 and know how your story's going to end. That's hacking. That's Huawei. Imagine letting Huawei build
00:11:18.400 the backbone of your company's telecommunications network. It's just nuts. And look at this story.
00:11:26.920 Days before BC court decision on Huawei's Meng, China threatens damage to relations with Canada.
00:11:32.140 Yeah, mate. Pretty sure the relationship is already damaged right now. You're holding two
00:11:37.460 hostages. You put sanctions on our agricultural exports. You're a tyranny that infected the world
00:11:42.440 with a virus. And you've decided this is your moment to shine and do a Tiananmen Square in Hong Kong.
00:11:50.640 Support for China has plunged to nearly single digits, according to new polls. Not sure how you could
00:11:56.660 damage relations more, mate. Let me read a bit from that Global Mail story. The Chinese government
00:12:02.720 has issued a new warning to Canada about further damage to the relations between the two countries
00:12:07.540 just before a British Columbia judge releases a decision on an extradition hearing for Huawei
00:12:12.080 executive Meng Wanzhou. Canada must release Miss Meng and ensure her safe return to China at an early 0.75
00:12:19.100 date to avoid more damage caused to China-Canada relations. Chinese foreign ministry spokesman
00:12:24.680 Zhao Lijian said Tuesday. How's that anything but a threat? And how is it that we're so meek and
00:12:32.540 submissive in reply to it, especially when they have our hostages? Oh, right. I know how.
00:12:37.860 There's a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship.
00:12:47.780 Yeah, here's some advice to any Canadians. Don't go to China. Not until Trudeau is no longer our
00:12:53.680 prime minister. Too much risk that you'll be taken hostage. And a hundred percent certainty that if
00:12:57.980 you are taken hostage, the most Trudeau will do for you is, you know, send Beijing a sternly worded
00:13:04.680 letter of apology. So it was a done deal, I thought. A stitch-up, as my friend Tommy Robinson would say.
00:13:12.460 The Chinese already knew Meng would go free, so it looked like. But 9 a.m. B.C. time rolled around,
00:13:18.980 and she lost. She lost her application for the extradition to be dismissed. I couldn't believe
00:13:26.840 it. Here's the court ruling. See for yourself. So just to be clear, she's not out of the woods yet.
00:13:32.140 She had asked the court to throw out the extradition because, her lawyers argued, what she allegedly did
00:13:37.780 might be a crime in the United States, breaking sanctions against Iran. But it's not a crime in
00:13:43.660 Canada, which did not have those same sanctions on Iran. But the judge held that it wasn't the
00:13:49.500 breaking of the sanctions that's the crime to extradite her. It's lying to a bank about those 0.68
00:13:56.720 sanctions in order to get a massive loan. Here, can I read to you four paragraphs in a row from the
00:14:02.340 ruling? It takes about two minutes to read. But it just shows what kind of person Meng Wanzhou is,
00:14:08.420 what kind of company Huawei is, what kind of place China is, how the companies over there act the
00:14:14.540 same way the dictatorship over there acts. There really isn't any separation line between the two
00:14:18.940 of them. So this is from today's really, these are the accusations against Meng that today's judge says
00:14:23.420 would be a crime in Canada, so they're legitimate to extradite someone to a foreign country to face
00:14:29.060 criminal charges there too. So just for background, HSBC Bank, you've probably heard of them,
00:14:34.300 just a very big international bank, very active in Asia. They had been in trouble before for financing
00:14:42.680 companies that broke U.S. sanctions, and they like to operate in America. So they had been prosecuted,
00:14:48.260 and as part of a plea deal, they promised to the United States government to be extremely careful in
00:14:54.200 the future about financing sanctions breakers. So they saw some newspaper articles by Reuters
00:15:00.320 about Huawei breaking the sanctions in Iran. So they got worried. So this is the fraud part.
00:15:07.880 I'm going to take two minutes to read it to you, okay? You'll learn more in the next two minutes about
00:15:11.280 Meng Wanzhou than you probably learned elsewhere. So let me read this to you from the court ruling.
00:15:18.020 I found it very illuminating. Ready?
00:15:19.320 When HSBC then made inquiries of Huawei about the reports in the Reuters articles, various Huawei
00:15:27.120 representatives denied the substance of the reported allegations. Miss Meng requested an in-person
00:15:33.140 meeting with a senior HSBC executive responsible for banking operations in Asia, and such a meeting
00:15:38.780 took place on August 22, 2013, in the back room of a restaurant in Hong Kong. Very dramatic.
00:15:45.280 Miss Meng spoke in Chinese, and an interpreter translated into English for the benefit of the
00:15:51.280 HSBC executive. Miss Meng also showed a PowerPoint presentation written in Chinese, and sometime after
00:15:57.680 the meeting provided HSBC with an English translation. In the meeting, Miss Meng told the HSBC executive
00:16:04.160 that Huawei's operations in Iran complied strictly with applicable laws and U.S. sanctions. She said that
00:16:10.300 Huawei's relationship with Skycom was one of normal business cooperation in which Huawei
00:16:15.180 required Skycom to make commitments to observe all applicable laws, regulations, and export control
00:16:21.080 requirements. Miss Meng said that Huawei was once a shareholder in Skycom, and she herself was once a member of
00:16:26.880 Skycom's board of directors, because at that time, these measures were necessary for managing Skycom as a
00:16:32.560 business partner and for strengthening and monitoring its trade compliance. However, these measures later became
00:16:37.720 unnecessary to ensure compliance, and Huawei sold all its shares in Skycom, and Miss Meng resigned from Skycom's board.
00:16:43.860 Miss Meng said Huawei did business in Iran, but did so through its local subsidiary, and that Huawei
00:16:49.960 subsidiaries in countries such as Iran would not transact business with HSBC.
00:16:56.240 So Skycom is the company that Meng Wanzhou said, don't worry, we're not involved with them anymore.
00:17:03.500 That would be breaking sanctions, don't you worry. I'll read a little bit more.
00:17:07.880 So the HSBC Global Risk Committee met in London on March 31, 2014, to discuss reputational and
00:17:16.900 regulatory concerns regarding Huawei, and decided to retain Huawei's business. In reaching that decision,
00:17:22.640 the committee relied on the assurances provided by Miss Meng at the August 2013 meeting. About a month
00:17:29.640 after the committee's decision, HSBC sent its letter describing terms for the proposed $900 million
00:17:35.080 credit facility. That's the loan I'm talking about. And about a year after that, HSBC participated with other
00:17:41.940 international banks in a $1.5 billion syndicated loan to Huawei. Although Huawei had sold its shareholding in
00:17:49.920 Skycom some years before the August 2013 meeting, and Miss Meng had resigned from Skycom's board, Huawei in reality
00:17:58.580 continued to control Skycom and its banking and business operations in Iran. Skycom employees had
00:18:06.180 Huawei email addresses and badges, and some used Huawei stationary. Skycom's directors and its
00:18:13.200 signatories to its bank accounts were Huawei employees. The company that had purchased Huawei's shareholding
00:18:19.000 in Skycom did so with financing from Huawei, and its banking and business operations were under Huawei's
00:18:25.000 control. Huawei's true relationship to Skycom is said to have been information that was material to
00:18:32.360 HSBC's decision whether to continue to retain Huawei as a client. False assurances by Miss Meng at the
00:18:39.260 August 2013 meeting in Hong Kong misrepresenting the actual relationship are said to have put HSBC at risk
00:18:46.460 of fines and penalties for violating the DPA plea bargain. And for new violations of the U.S. sanctions,
00:18:53.840 those misrepresentations are also said to have exposed HSBC to both economic and reputational risk.
00:19:01.320 Okay, I'm done reading. But you see what went on there? In that back room in the Hong Kong restaurant?
00:19:09.500 She lied through her teeth to get billions of dollars that HSBC would not have given her otherwise.
00:19:14.600 That's what's against the law. That's called fraud. You may not agree with the sanctions on Iran,
00:19:21.000 but that's not the fraud part. The fraud part is that HSBC Bank was doing its due diligence.
00:19:28.020 It couldn't invest in Iran any more than it could invest in the Hells Angels gang or some mafia, 0.74
00:19:35.660 you know, gambling joint. It had to be careful. It demanded a meeting. They wanted the truth.
00:19:41.160 It looks like they took it seriously, I think. I don't know. Meeting with the CFO of Huawei,
00:19:47.300 the founder's daughter, no less. That sounds pretty authoritative. But if these allegations are true,
00:19:53.020 and if it really does turn out that they were meeting with the godfather herself, to keep with
00:19:59.300 the mafia analogy, she lied and deceived and tricked to get billions of dollars from the bank, 0.96
00:20:04.640 money the bank would not have loaned had they known of Huawei's true criminal activities.
00:20:11.780 Look, I think that's just how a lot of companies in China rule. Get away with whatever you can. 1.00
00:20:16.960 As long as you have the Communist Party in your pocket, you're fine. There are no independent
00:20:21.180 police or independent courts or independent newspapers to investigate you or shame you or
00:20:26.100 punish you. Keeping with the godfather analogy, it's like the entire establishment is part of the
00:20:30.740 protection racket, not just a few judges or a few politicians like in the movie. All of them are
00:20:36.740 in their pocket. So Huawei becomes this mighty company in this corrupt swamp of China, and that 0.68
00:20:43.940 wants to operate around the world, and corrupt terrorist regimes like Iran are only too happy to do so. 0.92
00:20:49.780 But places like Hong Kong and HSBC Bank in the United States, well, they're a little bit more
00:20:55.700 sticklers, aren't they? So the law-breaking thing doesn't go over as well there. So Meng Wanzhou must
00:21:02.180 now stand trial for extradition. The Chinese propaganda I mentioned earlier, that she would be 0.58
00:21:08.820 like, oh, that was false. The tweets that had me puzzled all night, they were a hoax, they were a lie.
00:21:15.700 The celebration photo op on the steps of the courthouse, the premature victory lap, that was China 0.98
00:21:20.960 believing its own propaganda, believing their own lies. Wow, it's so much like that old movie
00:21:27.440 on HBO, Chernobyl. I mean, they lie to each other, they lie to the world, and they in the end lie to
00:21:34.480 themselves. That's a communist regime for you. Justice was strong enough today. Whether or not they were
00:21:42.080 hacked, justice was strong. It's a good day for Canada, but I regret it will surely become a terrible
00:21:49.520 day for the two Michaels, held in a Chinese prison. Stay with us for more from Sheila Gunn-Reed,
00:21:56.480 who was out at the Vancouver Courthouse today.
00:22:06.960 Policeалы from the Caribbean 0.79
00:22:15.440 No Huawei in Canada
00:22:17.440 No Huawei in Canada
00:22:19.280 Freedom and democracy for Hong Kong
00:22:23.920 Freedom and democracy for Hong Kong
00:22:24.640 Freedom and democracy for China
00:22:28.480 Well, would you look at that?
00:22:31.920 Patriotic protesters, Uyghur Muslims protesting against Meng Wanzhou, against Huawei, 1.00
00:22:39.680 in support of the two Canadian hostages, Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig,
00:22:44.460 and an interesting touch, waving an American flag.
00:22:47.800 I saw a lot of Canadian flags there too, but of course the American flag is a symbol for freedom
00:22:53.520 and for standing up to communism, you must admit that.
00:22:56.360 Now, we're joining us now via Skype.
00:22:58.840 On location is Sheila Gunn-Reed, who went down there today.
00:23:02.300 Sheila, thanks for making the journey.
00:23:04.560 Hey, it was good to get out of the house, and I'm so glad that I was here,
00:23:08.400 because this, today was, it could have went either way.
00:23:13.160 It was, today would have been a sort of a dividing fork in the road for Canada's foreign policy.
00:23:19.800 Would we abandon the Americans and rule of law for the Chinese, 0.98
00:23:24.540 or would we, would we do the right thing?
00:23:28.160 And you know what?
00:23:29.120 The rule of law prevailed today, at least for now.
00:23:32.000 Yeah, I, I was really spooked last night because I started seeing official Chinese Communist Party propaganda
00:23:37.940 that Meng Wanzhou was going to go free.
00:23:40.220 And I thought, how would they know?
00:23:41.680 I thought they would have hacked the courthouse and got an early copy of the ruling,
00:23:47.520 which surely would have been typed up a few days ago on a computer that was accessible to the internet.
00:23:52.780 So I was despondent about that.
00:23:55.640 And the fact that Meng Wanzhou did her victory lap photo op on the steps of the courthouse,
00:24:00.660 that's a lot of chutzpah.
00:24:02.060 But it turns out it was just them believing their own BS.
00:24:06.900 I guess when you're in a culture of fear and flatter the leader, you start to believe your own PR.
00:24:16.960 Yeah, there's a bit of that going on today.
00:24:20.680 The protesters here, they, when I interviewed them, they weren't exactly all that confident.
00:24:26.900 And a lot of that is because they know how bad China can be and how oppressive China can be
00:24:32.900 and how it infects everything that it touches.
00:24:37.180 And so they weren't confident.
00:24:38.760 But boy, after the verdict came down, just joyful and exuberant here on the court step.
00:24:44.380 Well, that's great.
00:24:44.940 Now, I know you've been doing videos and interviews, and we're going to have those up on our YouTube page.
00:24:50.020 I'm really looking forward to it.
00:24:51.840 Tell me some of the things you asked people about or that they told you about.
00:24:56.900 We just saw some of the Uyghurs. 1.00
00:24:59.900 Those are Muslim Chinese people who are put in mass detainment camps.
00:25:06.700 It's funny.
00:25:07.440 Justin Trudeau never misses a Muslim event across Canada.
00:25:12.880 He loves going to mosques.
00:25:14.600 The one Muslim group he won't stand up for are Uyghur Muslims, who I have observed with my own eyes.
00:25:20.040 I've been to the Muslim province of Xinjiang, China.
00:25:23.500 Very liberal, very moderate, not radicalized, not terroristized, because they've been cut off from Saudi Arabia and Iran.
00:25:31.640 It was actually my favorite province in all of China when I visited about a dozen years ago.
00:25:37.080 Funny enough, they're the one Muslim group that Justin Trudeau won't lift a finger for. 0.99
00:25:42.800 Isn't that strange?
00:25:45.080 You know, the people here today, there's a very large Uyghur contingent, but also just normal Chinese people who have lived under the oppression of the Chinese.
00:25:54.740 Who told me when I asked them, I asked them, do you think the Canadian government and Justin Trudeau are doing enough to protect Canada from China? 0.86
00:26:06.340 And it was overwhelmingly no, that Canada doesn't take the plague of the CCP seriously.
00:26:13.920 And let me tell you, there was a lineup of embassy officials as well as Huawei officials.
00:26:22.340 So either way you look at it, people who work for the CCP in China.
00:26:26.940 So Chinese embassy, when you say embassy, you mean the Chinese embassy, the Chinese consulate?
00:26:29.900 Oh, definitely not the Canadians. 1.00
00:26:31.680 Yeah, so that wouldn't make sense, because we wouldn't have an embassy.
00:26:34.240 So you had a bunch of officials.
00:26:36.580 How could you tell they were Chinese communist officials, just how they dressed?
00:26:40.520 Did they have pins or buttons?
00:26:42.240 All dressed the same, leaning on a wall.
00:26:46.560 I recognized one of the Huawei executives, that's a Canadian.
00:26:54.400 They're all leaning on a wall, and they were taking pictures.
00:26:57.220 And I got some footage of it, of the officials taking pictures of the protesters.
00:27:03.260 And I did ask one of the Uyghur protesters, I said, look, are you concerned about this?
00:27:09.240 And she said, of course I am, because I still have family back at home.
00:27:13.440 And I can't even talk to them to even know if they're OK.
00:27:17.380 And if these people saw my face, because she was wearing a face mask,
00:27:22.040 she said, if they saw my face, my family in China is in danger, and I would never even know.
00:27:26.000 And so that's what these people on the steps here were willing to do, to warn Canadians about the plague of Huawei and how the TCP is infecting, they said, Chinese politics, Chinese or Canadian politics, excuse me, and Canadian policies.
00:27:45.300 Yeah. Well, isn't that interesting that they were taking photos of the protesters?
00:27:50.480 China has been known to do that in Canada against other protesters, too.
00:27:55.200 Tibetan protesters, Falun Gong protesters.
00:27:58.980 And of course, these days, China is a world leader in facial recognition technology.
00:28:04.660 Now, the mask might foil that, but I don't know.
00:28:08.640 So there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that if Huawei and the Chinese communist diplomats are filming protesters,
00:28:19.800 they're uploading those faces in their database, their enemies list.
00:28:25.100 And I got to say, we're going to reach a point in time when Canada has to decide whether or not we like those kind of thuggish tactics being used in our own country by foreign nationals. 1.00
00:28:37.400 And I have to tell you, my greatest fear today, Sheila, maybe you can give me your thoughts on this.
00:28:42.920 I presume justice was done.
00:28:44.880 I read the court ruling.
00:28:46.240 It seemed pretty cut and dried to me.
00:28:49.080 The allegations against Meng Wanzhou, if proven, absolutely form a crime in Canada.
00:28:56.680 That's the double test.
00:28:58.460 It has to be a crime here and there.
00:29:00.660 It has to be the kind of thing, reciprocity, that we would want a foreigner there brought here.
00:29:08.280 It has to be a crime here, too, is what I'm saying.
00:29:11.780 And defrauding the HSBC bank of billions in loans by lying about their illegal activities in Iran, that's absolutely a crime here.
00:29:21.060 So it sounds like the law was applied legitimately and carefully.
00:29:27.220 But my big worry is for those two Canadian hostages, because you've got the entire Communist Party who believes in saving face at all costs.
00:29:37.240 I'm worried they're going to take out their viciousness on those two prisoners.
00:29:40.960 Yeah, that's what some of the protesters here, they said that they understand fully how vindictive the Chinese government can be.
00:29:51.680 And it was heartwarming to see how much these Uyghur and ethnic Chinese protesters care about the two Michaels.
00:30:02.580 They actually called them our two Michaels, which I thought was kind of neat.
00:30:06.500 They were holding up signs and making sure that they are not forgotten in all of this, that they are being held political prisoners, kidnapped by the Chinese.
00:30:16.920 Why? Because we tried to administer justice and rule of law here in Canada.
00:30:24.560 And they said, you know, this is something that a crooked executive in China would never experience, house arrest and the ability to appeal a court judgment that speaks to the differences between our two court systems, obviously.
00:30:42.340 Yeah. Well, I'm just so glad you went there, Sheila.
00:30:45.140 Thanks for doing that.
00:30:46.300 It's great to see rebel reporters out in the world.
00:30:49.140 We've been cooped up a bit, too, as long as with everybody else.
00:30:53.580 Of course, David Menzies has been out and about with his mask on, fighting the civil liberties fights.
00:30:59.500 But it's great to see you in Vancouver today.
00:31:01.920 And Kian Bexty is in Ottawa today.
00:31:04.720 So the rebels are back.
00:31:06.040 And I'm thrilled that you were out there.
00:31:07.920 And it looks like you were well received.
00:31:09.520 I can hardly wait to watch your video reports, my friend.
00:31:11.940 Oh, the protesters knew exactly who we were.
00:31:16.280 And they were very happy that a pro Hong Kong outlet was here to represent the other side of the story.
00:31:22.600 Yes. And that's the truth.
00:31:23.920 Well, all right.
00:31:25.040 I look forward to the rest of your work.
00:31:26.540 I know that you've got a lot of plans in that exciting city.
00:31:30.080 So much going on there on so many different fronts.
00:31:32.340 We'll let you go now, Sheila.
00:31:33.240 Thanks for joining us.
00:31:34.980 Thanks, boss.
00:31:35.420 All right.
00:31:36.100 There you have it.
00:31:36.500 Sheila Gunry joining us from the steps of the B.C. court, where this morning a verdict was released
00:31:43.900 that Meng Wanzhou's application to have her extradition dismissed.
00:31:49.700 Her application was not upheld.
00:31:52.240 She must go through the full extradition process now.
00:31:55.880 Stay with us.
00:31:56.800 More ahead on The Rebel.
00:32:05.420 Hello on my monologue yesterday about an update on lethousreport.com.
00:32:10.700 Donna writes, you have to win.
00:32:13.220 Trudeau should not be allowed to select which media questions him based on what he pays them.
00:32:17.800 You have as much right to ask him questions as CTV or CBC.
00:32:21.400 I think so.
00:32:22.300 And I want to let you know, I would never ask the court to command someone to talk to me.
00:32:27.380 I mean, if you really want to ignore me, that's fine.
00:32:29.780 We're suing, technically speaking, the Privy Council Office.
00:32:33.220 That's the office that operates the civil service.
00:32:36.600 The nonpartisan career bureaucrats, they have to be nonpartisan.
00:32:42.340 So it's one thing for Trudeau to say, I hate rebel news and I'm not going to talk to them.
00:32:46.460 I would never ask a judge to say, make him play with me, Your Honor.
00:32:49.900 But the civil service denying us the right to put our question through, that can't be allowed.
00:32:55.900 It can't be allowed.
00:32:57.160 At least that's my view.
00:32:58.420 See what the court says.
00:32:59.200 Jeff writes, I will be donating, my friend.
00:33:03.960 I love you guys.
00:33:04.820 Well, Jeff, thanks very much.
00:33:05.880 I appreciate that.
00:33:08.500 I'm looking forward to the battle.
00:33:10.160 I feel like we're doing something other media groups should do too.
00:33:13.620 But they're sort of on the other side now.
00:33:15.560 They've joined the enemy.
00:33:16.940 They're sleeping with the enemy.
00:33:17.680 They're getting paid $600 million a year on the newspaper side.
00:33:20.180 $1.5 billion on the CBC side.
00:33:22.820 Trudeau's bought them all off.
00:33:23.760 No one's fighting with us.
00:33:25.640 On our side, I mean.
00:33:26.500 John writes, think ahead to July 14, 2020.
00:33:31.560 Will there be any party invitations sent to all rebel members after the victory?
00:33:34.980 Rebel News must have March ready to go.
00:33:37.420 Victory is the only outcome.
00:33:39.440 Appreciate your positive attitude.
00:33:42.060 I want to tell you, I'm keeping my expectations low.
00:33:45.040 I thought we were going to lose our lawsuit in the federal court last October on the debate commission keeping us out.
00:33:52.200 I thought we were going to lose.
00:33:53.020 I thought, you know, I got to fight, though, even if I go down fighting, even if I lose, I'll go down fighting.
00:33:58.440 I really thought I was going to lose that.
00:34:00.400 And my lawyers said we were probably going to lose.
00:34:02.760 They were very candid with me.
00:34:03.860 They said, well, take this fight, Ezra.
00:34:05.680 But just so you know, we think we're going to lose.
00:34:08.460 They weren't quite that negative.
00:34:09.820 But that's the meaning of what they said.
00:34:11.900 I don't want to get my hopes too high.
00:34:13.360 It's a long shot here.
00:34:15.280 It's David and Goliath.
00:34:18.280 But we got to do it.
00:34:19.300 If we don't do it, who's going to do it?
00:34:20.660 On my interview with Lorne Gunter, Rosanna writes, all provinces should open now.
00:34:26.560 Enough of this lockdown.
00:34:28.200 Well, that's the thing.
00:34:29.140 I mean, I was thinking about summer camp.
00:34:31.860 That's one of the campaigns that David Menzies is running.
00:34:34.440 Opensummercamp.com.
00:34:35.740 A lot of places across Canada, they have sleepover camps, sports camp, religious camp.
00:34:40.440 Just get away from the city.
00:34:41.780 Get out of it, especially get out of the big cities.
00:34:43.860 People who grew up in rural parts or on a lake or a small town, they have a semi-camp lifestyle all year long.
00:34:50.060 For people who grew up in the concrete jungle, get out of the city for a month, no cell phone, no Netflix, learn some sports, get some physical activity, be with other kids, have some fun, be a little bit more grown up because you're on your own.
00:35:03.740 That's a great experience.
00:35:05.580 And by the way, it's a lot healthier than the alternative.
00:35:09.520 So isn't the answer for sleepover camps like that, especially, day camps too, if you don't want to go, don't go.
00:35:19.200 If you're afraid for your kid, all right, I'm not going to tell you not to be afraid for your kids, your kid.
00:35:24.760 But you should know that kids really don't get sick from the coronavirus.
00:35:28.260 And thank God not a single kid in Canada has ever died from the virus.
00:35:31.160 But if you want to be scared, you'd be scared.
00:35:36.260 But how come I got to be scared too?
00:35:38.160 And how come the summer camp has to be scared too?
00:35:41.160 That's what I don't get.
00:35:42.980 That's the show for today.
00:35:44.500 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.
00:35:48.820 And keep fighting for freedom.
00:35:49.740 We'll be right back.