Rebel News Podcast - Meet John McCallum, Beijing's Top Man In Ottawa

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Today, I tell you about a crazy story, and congratulations to the

00:00:04.240 Globe and Mail for breaking it, of John McCallum, the former Canadian cabinet minister and diplomat,

00:00:10.200 selling the information he receives in private conversations with Canadian cabinet ministers,

00:00:16.520 selling that information to clients in China. Crooked, spying, disloyal, you're darn right. 0.96

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00:00:58.700 Tonight, Beijing's man in Ottawa brags that Canada is ready to do what it's told. It's

00:01:09.120 July 30th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

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00:01:21.540 The only thing I have to say to the government of a wire publisher is because it's my bloody

00:01:26.420 right to do so.

00:01:32.020 Who is China's top man in Canada?

00:01:35.660 If you guess Kong Pei Wu, you'd be close. He's the official ambassador from the People's

00:01:43.160 Republic of China to Canada. But he's not China's top man in Ottawa. That honor belongs 0.89

00:01:49.260 to John McCallum, the disgraced former cabinet minister and diplomat. It's really quite shocking

00:01:54.500 how transparent he has always been about his total submission to the Communist Party of

00:01:59.820 China. He literally accepted $73,000 in free gifts from the Communist dictatorship, and those

00:02:06.540 are just the ones that he's disclosed. As in, he accepted them, he admitted them, he even

00:02:11.240 told authorities about them. And that was just fine, apparently, to Trudeau and our mainstream

00:02:17.720 media. Imagine if a Conservative MP had taken $73,000 worth of payoffs from any country, really,

00:02:24.140 even our allies like the United States, let alone our enemies.

00:02:27.860 I document just how deeply McCallum is corrupted by the Chinese dictatorship in my book, China 0.95

00:02:32.760 Virus. He actually said that Communist China has more in common with Canada, sorry, that Canada,

00:02:38.440 pardon me, has more in common with Communist China than Canada has with Donald Trump's America.

00:02:43.920 Just think about what that would mean if it were true. John McCallum said that culturally,

00:02:49.080 politically, morally, legally, historically, democratically, business-wise, whatever,

00:02:54.680 that Canada has more in common with China than America. Imagine thinking that was true.

00:02:59.800 I think he himself summed it up best, McCallum did, when he said what he wanted to do with China.

00:03:04.920 Within 24 hours of arriving in China, I was invited to present my credentials to President

00:03:12.520 Xi Jinping, and I conveyed to him a message from our Prime Minister that can be summarized

00:03:18.400 in three words, more, more, more. Or in Mandarin, gung dua, gung dua, gung dua.

00:03:24.780 Yeah, basically whatever China says, his answer is more, more, more.

00:03:29.040 McCallum was finally sacked, as you know, when he told Chinese language media that he was taking

00:03:34.760 Meng Wanzhou's side of the trial. He was taking Huawei's side in the extradition case. He said

00:03:40.560 Canada didn't have a strong case. That's the textbook definition of taking a foreign country's 1.00

00:03:46.480 interests ahead of your own country's interests. The pipe was flowing the wrong direction, people.

00:03:52.220 Like I say, he was always Beijing's most important man in Canada, not some generic ambassador no one's

00:03:57.360 ever heard of. But hey, would you look at this news story in the Globe and Mail, and again,

00:04:02.840 credit to the Globe for doing good work. Canada's troubles with China are only temporary,

00:04:08.980 says former ambassador. Chinese people and Canadian people are good friends.

00:04:13.280 Whose side is McCallum on? Same side as always, China's side. Let me read a little bit. 0.98

00:04:20.320 Canada's troubles with China are temporary in relations with the rising superpower,

00:04:23.520 will return to sunnier times, including borders once again open to immigration and investment.

00:04:29.000 John McCallum, the former ambassador fired from his position last year,

00:04:32.760 has told clients of a major Chinese immigration company.

00:04:37.240 Was John McCallum working for that major Chinese company when he was still a cabinet minister or

00:04:43.500 diplomat? I don't mean that he was necessarily taking cash from them, although we should probably

00:04:48.300 check. I mean, whoopsies, Bill Morneau forgot about a $41,000 payment he got. But was John McCallum

00:04:56.480 preparing to work for Chinese companies after his political career while he was still working for

00:05:03.160 the Canadian government? Like Jean Chrétien clearly did. You'll remember, after Chrétien resigned as

00:05:07.980 prime minister, it was only a few weeks until he announced his work as a pro-China lobbyist.

00:05:13.140 It's plainly obvious that he was already preparing for his rich life as a China shill, 1.00

00:05:19.040 even when he was still Canada's prime minister in name. Did McCallum do that too? Let me read some

00:05:24.180 more. Mr. McCallum served in the federal cabinet, including as immigration minister, before he was

00:05:29.460 named Canada's ambassador to China in 2017. He was fired in 2019 after repeatedly speaking in support of

00:05:35.280 the release of Meng Wanzhou, the Huawei executive accused of fraud in the U.S. and arrested in Canada,

00:05:40.640 where she is in the midst of extradition proceedings. But his experience and connections

00:05:46.260 have made him a coveted speaker for Y Lian Group, a Shanghai-based company with a 20-year history of

00:05:51.980 smoothing the path for people to immigrate to Canada. Last fall, Y Lian paid to have Mr. McCallum 0.53

00:05:57.240 speak to clients in five Chinese cities. According to a person familiar with our arrangement,

00:06:02.700 the Globe and Mail is not identifying the person because they are not authorized to speak publicly.

00:06:06.220 Hey, how much do you think John McCallum gets paid for his speeches? More or less than Justin

00:06:13.240 Trudeau's mother gets paid by We, the Crooked Kielburger charity. I'm guessing McCallum gets paid

00:06:18.760 much, much more. Now, We is a huge multi-million dollar scam, cult-like, run by secretive and obsessive

00:06:29.080 insiders. Well, Chinese Communist Party is a huge multi-trillion dollar cult-like scam run by secretive and 0.88

00:06:35.940 obsessive insiders. I'm guessing McCallum got paid more. Look at this. On Saturday, Mr. McCallum

00:06:42.720 delivered remarks to another event organized by Y Lian. This went online in which he pitched Canada

00:06:47.520 as a worthwhile destination for people from China and cited his friends in the current cabinet to

00:06:52.640 offer reassurances. Quote, basically, I think China-Canada relations will be good going forward,

00:06:59.280 Mr. McCallum said. Really? On what basis would he say that? I mean, maybe he's just telling them what

00:07:05.920 they want to hear, treating them as suckers, just cashing checks and laughing. If so, I got to sort of

00:07:10.760 respect his scam, telling Communist Chinese officials whatever they want to hear for some 0.91

00:07:15.320 of that sweet, sweet Beijing money. I bet he's giving speeches to Huawei, too. I wonder if he ever

00:07:21.120 gives away confidential things that he learned as an ambassador or a cabinet minister. That would

00:07:26.620 actually be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe millions of dollars, to Chinese entities like

00:07:31.100 Huawei. I wonder if he just tells them more, more, more, or if he actually gives them, I don't know,

00:07:39.180 cabinet secrets, diplomatic secrets, or maybe he's just giving them BS. We don't know, do we?

00:07:43.620 He's so crooked. Let me read some more. Canada's economy needs Chinese students, tourists, and 1.00

00:07:48.880 investors, he said, and the Liberal government is eager to reopen Canada's borders to large numbers of

00:07:53.380 new arrivals. He based his comments in part on a recent conversation with Marco Mendocino,

00:07:58.380 the Minister of Immigration, Refugees, and Citizenship, who, quote, plans to admit large

00:08:03.280 numbers of immigrants to Canada in 2021, Mr. McCallum said.

00:08:08.980 We've got effective unemployment of 20%. Does Canada's economy really need masses of immigration? 0.80

00:08:15.220 Do we need more Chinese students? How is that a net plus for us, pushing aside Canadian students? 1.00

00:08:20.520 Aren't Canadian schools for Canadian students? Why should we clear spaces for the privileged sons and 0.69

00:08:25.960 daughters of Communist Party bosses? You don't think it's the ordinary Chinese peasants who are 1.00

00:08:30.980 allowed in. You know it's just the connected sons and daughters of Chinese Party officials that get

00:08:36.040 in, right? How is that in our interest again? Is it to spy on our industrial secrets, maybe, to corrupt

00:08:43.220 our institutions? As the University of British Columbia admits it has been corrupted by an influx of money

00:08:48.620 from Huawei. But more to the point, why has a current cabinet minister, Mark Mendocino, why was he talking

00:08:56.780 to a communist Chinese lobbyist named John McCallum? I know that's in McCallum's interest, and I know

00:09:03.840 that's in China's interest, but why was a Canadian sitting cabinet minister talking to a corrupted 0.68

00:09:09.640 Chinese lobbyist? Look at this. Information about the government's plans, however, is of keen interest to

00:09:16.380 those seeking to immigrate, and to companies such as YLiam, whose business is built around ushering

00:09:22.120 clients through the complexities of the application process. So what did Mendocino actually tell that

00:09:28.060 Chinese lobbyist that he hasn't told the rest of us? Why was talking to him personally so valuable?

00:09:35.180 Mr. McCallum offered reassurances that COVID-19 will create only a temporary pause in Canadian

00:09:40.120 acceptance of new residents. Quote, the Canadian government remains extremely positive about

00:09:44.720 continuing high levels of immigration, he said, citing his conversation with Mr. Mendocino.

00:09:50.780 And is that true? Why is a current cabinet minister leaking confidential plans to a former cabinet

00:09:58.000 minister who's now on the payroll of Beijing? Is Mark Mendocino on the take also?

00:10:04.460 Mr. Mendocino spoke with Mr. McCallum in mid-June. Kevin Lemke, the minister's spokesman, said in a

00:10:10.340 statement, he reached out to Mr. McCallum as a former colleague to discuss immigration and refugee

00:10:15.200 issues, Mr. Lemke, he said, adding, at no time did Mr. McCallum ever mention this company,

00:10:20.320 Wiley Ann, to the minister. Huh. So McCallum is sneaky, if we're to believe Mendocino. He's pumped

00:10:27.560 for information that he tells Wiley Ann and he doesn't disclose it to Mendocino. It's almost like

00:10:32.520 a spy would be sneaky, right? Pretending to get the information for himself, but actually selling it to

00:10:37.840 China for money. That's what spies do. So he didn't tell Mendocino what he was up to.

00:10:45.560 Well, everyone knows that McCallum works for China now. I think he always has. 0.70

00:10:49.420 So what exactly, I mean, exactly did Mendocino tell him that it was so extremely valuable for Wiley

00:10:55.420 Ann to pay for? I checked and McCallum is not registered as a lobbyist. He didn't disclose

00:11:03.480 this contact with Mendocino to the lobbyist registry as required by law. And there's a

00:11:08.180 reason for that. Here's how the Globe and Mail explains it. Under Canadian law, Mr. McCallum

00:11:13.960 is barred from lobbying the federal government for five years after leaving office. He said

00:11:18.700 his conversation with the minister did not constitute lobbying. Really? If he does say so himself. But you

00:11:24.560 know what? I checked and Wiley Ann is not registered as a lobbyist either. Crooked, crooked, crooked.

00:11:29.860 Are you surprised by the party of Bill Morneau and Justin Trudeau? And do you remember what I 0.98

00:11:36.400 called my book? China Virus, how Justin Trudeau's pro-communist ideology is putting Canadians in

00:11:42.100 danger. It's Justin Trudeau, but it's the entire Liberal Party. They're rotten to the core. They're

00:11:48.960 pro-Chinese Communist Party for profit and for ideology. They really are taking a foreign country's 0.89

00:11:56.460 side against our own side. They are when they're in power and they are even more so when they leave

00:12:02.740 power and rent out their connections. More, more, more. Yeah, what a bunch of crooks. Stay with us for more. 0.73

00:12:11.560 It is true. There's violence across the whole country. Do you disavow the violence from Antifa?

00:12:27.340 That's happening in Portland right now? There's riots? That's a myth that's being spread only in

00:12:32.460 Washington, D.C. About Antifa in Portland? Yes. Sir, there's videos everywhere online. There's fires and riots.

00:12:38.140 They're throwing fireworks at federal officers. DHS is there. Look online. It gets crazy, Mr. Nadler.

00:12:50.760 Wow, so he thinks it's fake news. Antifa is a myth. Yeah, Antifa is a myth in Portland. Meanwhile,

00:12:58.820 the whole city is on fire and they're trying to burn down the courthouse. That's our friend Austin

00:13:03.020 Fletcher, who goes by the nickname Fleckes, literally bumping into a senior Democratic Party

00:13:10.220 congressman and asking him about the Antifa violence. And no, what violence? It's all a myth.

00:13:17.640 Don't believe your lying eyes. Now, is that just a Democratic Party talking point? 0.94

00:13:24.760 Or are the Democrats actually worried that maybe the violence in the streets is starting to hurt them?

00:13:29.720 Our next guest has a story in Breitbart.com specifically asking that question. The story is

00:13:35.420 by our friend Joel Pollack. Democrats start to worry support for Portland riots will help Trump.

00:13:42.320 And Joel Pollack joins us now via Skype. Joel, great to see you again. We've talked about this before.

00:13:46.860 You've suggested a theory that scared me. You said that maybe the point of the riots is to show that

00:13:53.360 Trump can't control them and vote for the Democrats because the riots will stop when their friends are

00:13:59.580 there, as in give in to the rioters. So maybe the riots so distressed voters that they say,

00:14:06.200 just make it end, just vote for the rioters' allies. But now you're suggesting that some

00:14:11.280 Democrats think, no, no, no, it's going to have the opposite effect. They want to strengthen Trump

00:14:15.600 and not reward the rioters. What's the feeling in the Democratic Party these days?

00:14:22.220 Well, there's a sense of confusion. First of all, there's confusion as to whether

00:14:26.040 there is violence at all. So there's an attempt to deny that there's any violence. And secondly,

00:14:32.300 there are some who acknowledge that there's violence, but they say it's Trump's fault that

00:14:35.780 he instigated or exacerbated the violence by sending in federal law enforcement officers to

00:14:42.040 defend the federal courthouse that was targeted by violence in Portland. Now you have an effort

00:14:47.580 belatedly, and we saw it in the funeral for John Lewis, a belated effort by Democrats to say they're

00:14:53.440 the real champions of nonviolence. And this has happened because Republicans have been successful

00:14:58.160 at finally exposing Americans to video footage that the mainstream media has avoided of violent

00:15:04.060 protests. At a testimony hearing this week with Attorney General William Barr, Jim Jordan,

00:15:10.200 a Republican ranking member, showed a video montage of clips of violence from all across the nation.

00:15:14.800 Many Democrats tuned in to watch that hearing because they thought that the Democrats

00:15:18.360 on the panel were going to skewer William Barr, which they failed to do. But because so many people

00:15:23.960 were watching, it was the first time most of them had seen the footage. The White House showed the

00:15:28.200 footage last week, but CNN and MSNBC and even Fox News cut away for various reasons. Fox said that

00:15:34.360 there was profanity in the film, and that's why they cut away. But CNN and MSNBC didn't even show the

00:15:40.060 briefing. So most Americans hadn't seen this violent footage on a nationwide level until James Jordan

00:15:46.820 showed it to them.

00:15:49.500 I wonder if most Americans actually love seeing some force being deployed. You mentioned federal police

00:15:59.560 under the jurisdiction of the Department of Homeland Security, I think. Looking a little bit like

00:16:05.200 paramilitaries going in to defend the Portland federal courthouse. I recall when the violence

00:16:10.720 really started a few months ago, there was a morning consult poll that said that every demographic

00:16:16.000 group, including African Americans, wanted violent riots to be stopped. And actually, a shockingly large 0.99

00:16:23.640 number didn't only want police to do it. They wanted the National Guard to do it. So

00:16:28.280 I think there might be a disconnect between producers of these CNN shows and MSNBC shows

00:16:36.320 and people actually living in the neighborhoods. When U.S. blacks are saying, no, stop the violence, 0.93

00:16:43.600 even if it's in the name of Black Lives Matter, maybe the Democrats have miscalculated. I don't know.

00:16:48.120 I wonder what the ordinary person, not the Twitterati or the TV pundits, I wonder what the ordinary

00:16:55.400 person thinks about Trump sending in federal cops to finally snuff out these riots.

00:17:02.800 Well, he's not sending in federal law enforcement to stop the riots. And the rioting is still fairly

00:17:07.920 limited to a few cities, but he's really sending them in for the limited purpose of protecting

00:17:12.800 federal property because the Democratic mayors and governors are not doing it. That's the problem

00:17:17.760 in Portland, that the rioters are attacking a federal courthouse and the mayor and governor refuse to

00:17:24.720 protect it. Now, what does that mean, attacking the federal courthouse? They're setting it on fire.

00:17:30.020 They're going inside, setting on fire things like case files and office equipment. They're trying to

00:17:36.980 destroy the building. And this is really a symbol of justice in America, a symbol of the rule of law.

00:17:41.800 And it's being attacked because it's a symbol of the federal government, which is currently headed

00:17:45.200 by Donald J. Trump. So the federal law enforcement officers are there to protect the courthouse.

00:17:50.160 There's been some federal law enforcement sent to Chicago and a couple other places

00:17:54.420 to assist local law enforcement with stopping crime. And the reason there's a lot of crime is

00:17:59.880 because police have been forced to pull back from a lot of dangerous neighborhoods

00:18:02.740 because of the Black Lives Matter movement and restrictions that city officials have put on

00:18:07.060 police. In Seattle, the city council banned the use of pepper spray, which meant that police now

00:18:13.460 no longer have a nonlethal means for dispersing crowds. And so the police have told residents,

00:18:20.100 we can't protect you from these crowds anymore. So there are serious gaps happening right now in law

00:18:26.100 enforcement in the United States, and they're happening because of the conscious decisions

00:18:29.540 of Democratic mayors and Democratic governors. So the federal government has intervened in a couple

00:18:34.820 of situations. The president hasn't really be difficult to do. But that's the situation. I mean,

00:18:44.020 the most important fact about this is that there's been such intense violence around that Portland

00:18:47.380 courthouse. And Democrats have persisted in ignoring it, denying it, Jerry Nadler calling it a myth.

00:18:53.460 And it's starting to make the Democrats look very foolish. 0.99

00:18:56.580 I think so. You think so. I'm guessing people in peaceful suburban districts that vote Republican 1.00

00:19:07.660 think so. How about in key battlegrounds, places that could tip Republican or Democrat? Because

00:19:16.620 that's really what we're talking about. I mean, there's some parts of America that will always vote

00:19:19.840 Republican and some parts that will always vote Democrat. How about the independents? How about the

00:19:25.520 moderates? Where do you think they're tipping on this? I mean, the media is so partisan, it's shocking.

00:19:32.800 Is Trump breaking through with his message here? Or is that narrative that, no, Trump's causing the

00:19:38.400 violence, is that the dominant message that's breaking through? We don't really know what's breaking

00:19:45.260 through. The poll data we have now is not reliable, because people who disagree with the left-wing

00:19:51.620 line don't feel comfortable expressing their views. There's one poll from the Cato Institute,

00:19:57.780 which is a libertarian think tank, that said 77% of Republicans in the United States don't feel

00:20:03.760 comfortable sharing their views. But 58% of staunch liberals in the United States, people on the left,

00:20:09.440 feel very comfortable expressing their views. You talk to anybody in a large company in the United

00:20:13.820 States who still has a job today, and they'll tell you that they've been subject to a barrage of woke

00:20:19.920 messages, suggested reading lists, advice on how to choose your personal pronoun. The left have taken

00:20:26.260 over the media. They've taken over in many large companies that are subject to media scrutiny. And

00:20:33.020 there's an assault going on right now that's not just physical, but intellectual and social and

00:20:37.640 cultural. So it's hard to know the exact effect. We are seeing anecdotal evidence that people don't like

00:20:43.240 what Black Lives Matter is doing. There's infighting in the Black Lives Matter movement. You heard

00:20:48.220 James Clyburn earlier this week, who's the most senior African-American in Congress,

00:20:53.260 blame white supremacists for infiltrating the Black Lives Matter movement. He blames white supremacists. 0.88

00:20:58.280 That's tricky. Very hard to do. Yeah. He says the white supremacists are causing the violence.

00:21:03.880 So there's just an air of fear. But I do think that there are a lot of people who are upset with going on

00:21:09.400 and who may see Trump as the only wall, if you can use the term, between them and absolute chaos.

00:21:15.340 We're talking with Joel Pollack, our friend, one of our favorite guests. He's also the author

00:21:19.080 of the book Red November. Will the country vote red for Trump or red for socialism? That word red is

00:21:26.280 on my mind. You know, Joel, I just went through a book on the red guards in Mao's China. The insane

00:21:36.960 political brainwashing, the mass struggle sessions, the self-denunciations. And the more I look at this

00:21:47.320 kind of total political re-education in every sector of society, in sports, in corporations, in

00:21:56.900 advertisements, in schools, the closest thing I can think of is the Cultural Revolution in China.

00:22:03.980 And I think as a psychological coping mechanism, a lot of people just succumb. I mean, when

00:22:12.740 the North Korean dictators die every 30 years, there's mass outpourings of sorrow. Same was in

00:22:20.860 China. Same was in Stalin's death. Those are real. Those aren't people faking crying. They have,

00:22:28.540 to psychologically cope, they said, well, I love the tyrants. And I guess my question for you is maybe a

00:22:33.680 psychological question. I don't know if you can answer it. You and I resent and resist being told

00:22:39.740 how to think. But maybe a lot of people say, oh, I'd better go along with it. It's easier to live that

00:22:46.440 way. Maybe it's actually true. Everyone in authority, everyone important, everyone powerful says that

00:22:51.960 way. I'm not really a fighter, so let me just go along with it and just get along to go along. What do you

00:22:59.100 think, what do you think of that, that it might actually work, this brainwashing?

00:23:04.240 Well, I do think it might work. And again, remember that the purpose of propaganda, as Stalin 0.91

00:23:08.680 knew, and this is not an exact quote, but essentially under Stalin, the purpose was not to convince people

00:23:14.760 of its truth, but to make any other thought unthinkable. And that's what they're doing.

00:23:19.760 You know, when I went to college, you could get plenty of marks, but you'd have to look hard to find any

00:23:23.800 sort of Hayek. And it's become worse since then. So the point is they want people to immediately

00:23:31.140 stop having access to conservative information, conservative points of view. We just broke a

00:23:36.560 story this week about how Google had deliberately, apparently, destroyed our search traffic from

00:23:42.340 Google. We still have very high traffic. We're one of the busiest websites in the United States.

00:23:46.680 But Google targeted Breitbart and a few other conservative websites. And you can see on the

00:23:54.360 graph of searches, basically, they killed all search traffic going from Google to Breitbart.

00:23:59.360 So before this change in early May, if you Googled Joe Biden, on a given day, there would be 30,000

00:24:06.560 impressions on Breitbart.com coming from Google searches for Joe Biden. Now it is zero. If you

00:24:14.060 Google Joe Biden on, you know, your computer or your phone, you're not going to get any Breitbart

00:24:20.080 links. If I Google myself, I don't get any Breitbart links. Google has disabled, essentially,

00:24:25.840 to bring you links from Breitbart, the Daily Caller, and so forth. So they've already taken

00:24:34.040 this totalitarian approach in an effort to help Joe Biden win the election and get rid of Donald Trump.

00:24:40.940 We know this is what they want to do. And they couldn't explain it under oath in front of Congress.

00:24:45.620 Yesterday, Representative Matt Gaetz actually got the CEO of Google, Sundar Pichai, to admit that

00:24:52.040 there's a manual process, not some sort of robot, that decides what gets blacklisted and what doesn't.

00:24:58.200 And he presented the stuff that we had at Breitbart of this video that showed Google employees

00:25:04.540 consoling each other after the 2016 election. And Pichai himself, at this meeting where all the

00:25:09.360 executives were there talking about how disruptive this was and how upset they were and how they were

00:25:14.380 going to make sure it never happened again. So what we're looking at is a broad totalitarian effort

00:25:23.200 to interfere in the American election by denying people information. And it does have a chance of

00:25:28.920 working. The only chance it doesn't work is if Trump wins and creates new safeguards after the

00:25:33.920 election. But we're in for a very ugly time in the next few years in the United States.

00:25:38.940 Yeah. Once again, you've depressed me. We spoke with your colleague, Alan Bokhari, about his big scoop

00:25:45.060 about Breitbart and other conservative sites being blacklisted. I've asked Alan to look into whether or

00:25:51.880 not Rebel News has been blacklisted. I think I know the answer in advance. Let me ask you one last

00:25:58.340 question, because I know you're so busy today. So much is going on. I'm grateful that you shoehorn us in your

00:26:02.360 schedule. You mentioned Matt Gaetz, who's a pretty good congressman on these issues,

00:26:07.940 grilling the head of Google, and that's great. But all I can think of is pretty much no matter what

00:26:16.060 Sunder Pichai, the head of Google, said, it didn't matter because nothing's going to change before the

00:26:22.000 election. You said maybe after the election, it'll be changed. I mean, Sunder Pichai could have admitted

00:26:25.420 everything, just being completely brazen, not even tried to defend himself. And really,

00:26:32.640 Matt Gaetz, what's he going to do? Him and what army? Find them? On what basis? Launch some last

00:26:40.060 minute Justice Department investigation? All right, see you in two years. I mean, really,

00:26:46.460 the boss of the... It was like a lion playing with a little mouse in its claw.

00:26:52.580 It was the simulation of accountability, but we know who the boss is, and it ain't the congressman.

00:27:03.540 Right. Well, the challenge is that it's very difficult to regulate private companies in this

00:27:10.500 way. And you're starting to see the beginning of an antitrust investigation. You are starting to see

00:27:17.000 talk about Federal Trade Commission sanction an act or put out these executive orders that

00:27:29.980 strip the tech companies of their protections under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.

00:27:35.940 That's a lot of words, but basically it means the tech companies have had special protection,

00:27:40.000 and they've been immune from liability or libel lawsuits based on things that happen on their

00:27:48.060 platforms because they're not publishers. They're just platforms. They lose that protection once they

00:27:55.300 start expressing viewpoints. And so Trump issued an executive order this week directing the Federal

00:28:00.880 Communications Commission to work on that. But all of that is gone if Trump loses. If Trump loses,

00:28:06.720 is basically you're going to get all the Google lobbyists, all the big tech lobbyists back into

00:28:11.200 the White House. Many of the Obama alumni went to work in Silicon Valley. They all work for these

00:28:16.620 companies. And they're going to come in and write the law the way they want to. So the only prospect

00:28:22.620 for reform is for Republicans to win in November, for Trump to win. If Trump loses, it's over.

00:28:28.600 There's not going to be any sort of reform ever. And, you know, they talk about breaking up. I mean,

00:28:34.980 the left doesn't like these companies at all. They pretend not to like them. They talk about

00:28:39.600 breaking up their monopolies and so forth. But the left will just simply exert more government control

00:28:44.740 than they do surreptitiously. They'll just do it openly in these companies. There's no hope for

00:28:50.120 real market-based reform that preserves American freedoms if Trump loses. And so the battle becomes a

00:28:54.760 very different one. It's a one-wheel fight, but it's hopefully not one we'll have to face.

00:29:00.620 Well, you know what? I like talking with you, but you leave me depressed every time.

00:29:06.220 I don't blame you. You're speaking honestly.

00:29:08.780 I'm a lucky guy most of the time.

00:29:10.120 I'd rather have your honesty than some happy talk.

00:29:14.460 We have to be happy warriors. I mean, I actually feel better and better about Trump's prospects,

00:29:18.540 but I have to also be honest with you about what it means. I mean, I write about this in my book,

00:29:22.940 Red November. We're facing a real choice, and we're on the precipice of a possible socialist

00:29:28.540 revolution in the United States through democratic means, but the outcomes will be far from democratic.

00:29:35.920 Well, let's put a link to the Amazon page below this, Amazon, another tech company that engages

00:29:41.260 in censorship. The link is for the book by our friend Joel. It's called Red November. Will the

00:29:46.360 country vote red for Trump or red for socialism? Joel, great to see you again. Good luck out there.

00:29:51.040 Thank you so much. All right. Stay with us more.

00:30:06.240 Seriously, is there a single liberal cabinet minister, diplomat, insider who's not on the take in some way,

00:30:13.640 either on the take for the Wii charity getting free luxury trips to Kenya, as Bill Morneau and his whole

00:30:19.720 family, or being on the take getting massive payments for speeches that no one really listens

00:30:24.460 to? It's clearly just money laundering. Or John McCallum renting out his phone call access to Mark

00:30:30.440 Mendocino to Chinese entities, promising them things that, I don't know, maybe they're lies, or maybe he

00:30:36.980 really has the inside scoop. My last book was called The Libranos. My new book is called China Virus.

00:30:44.040 I think they're sort of related, don't you? And that's the show for today. Until tomorrow,

00:30:49.340 on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

00:30:54.680 Good night.

00:30:59.680 Good night.

00:31:02.360 Good night.

00:31:09.100 Good night.

00:31:11.840 Good night.

00:31:14.740 Good night.

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Rebel News Podcast - July 31, 2020

Meet John McCallum, Beijing's Top Man In Ottawa

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