Rebel News Podcast - New provincial party to the right of Doug Ford's PCs launching in Ontario

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I heard that a new political party might be formed in Ontario.

00:00:05.380 Now, those are easy to do. The question is, can they turn into something?

00:00:08.440 Well, what's curious about this one is it would start off with one legislator, one MPP, right out of the bat.

00:00:16.900 Belinda Carajalios, and maybe Randy Hillier, a second one, would join.

00:00:20.400 And maybe all of a sudden, you've got a real going concern.

00:00:24.060 I'll do a monologue on the subject, and then I'll interview Jim and Belinda Carajalios right afterwards.

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00:01:08.860 Tonight, a new provincial party is launching in Ontario to the right of Doug Ford, and it looks like it could have two MPPs pretty quickly.

00:01:32.460 It's October 13th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:37.300 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:40.980 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:45.040 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:50.900 I'm so frustrated by Doug Ford, the Ontario Premier, but I shouldn't be.

00:01:59.820 I mean, show me a politician who doesn't disappoint you, who doesn't break your heart.

00:02:03.260 It was Doug's late brother, Rob Ford, who was the beloved one in the family who had the natural populist instincts.

00:02:13.180 Maybe it was precisely because he was so flawed and had so many observable problems and personal demons that he was so sympathetic.

00:02:21.460 I remember when the late Rob Ford, who was really fat, he was going on a diet, and he said so publicly, and I get that.

00:02:28.660 It's a way of getting encouragement. It's a way of motivating yourself because you've said you're going to lose weight.

00:02:34.320 You've told everybody, so now you have to do it because even if you're fine letting yourself down, you can't let everyone else down.

00:02:40.660 That's often my motivation for doing things too. Maybe it is for you, but it's hard.

00:02:45.620 And Rob Ford one day walked into a Kentucky Fried Chicken, and someone took a photo of it and sold it to the Toronto Star.

00:02:54.400 I presume they sold it. The Toronto Star had a bounty for anything embarrassing about Rob Ford,

00:03:00.080 and the Star put this KFC entrance as their huge story on their main page of their website.

00:03:06.640 Top news in the world. Ha ha, look at that fat guy eating KFC.

00:03:11.480 I mean, can you believe it? Can we impeach him?

00:03:15.240 Because no one at the Toronto Star is fat, you see, and it's fine to fat shame someone on the right.

00:03:21.580 The local left-wing freebie newspaper called Now Magazine had a pretty convincing Photoshop of Rob Ford's head

00:03:28.520 onto a nearly naked body of someone really fat.

00:03:31.960 Here's CTV writing about it, purely for the public interest, and they show the image purely for the public interest.

00:03:38.060 Look, the media all got in on it.

00:03:40.380 I tell you, this mean girl schtick was quite something.

00:03:43.560 The Globe and Mail published a highbrow literary thinkfluencer who called Rob Ford fat, I think, like 15 times in one column.

00:03:54.160 I'm not sure if that's news or opinion, but it was hilarious. Ha, he's so fat.

00:04:00.260 Now, they later deleted it. I can't find a copy of the original quickly, but here's another news website having a good laugh at it.

00:04:07.100 My point is, the personal viciousness was something I've never seen before or since that bad.

00:04:13.760 It was worse than anything I saw Preston Manning go through or Stockwell Day go through.

00:04:18.680 Boy, they hated Rob Ford, and they were so brutally personal.

00:04:21.800 Here's Trudeau's CBC state broadcaster sending someone right into Ford's home,

00:04:28.300 right on his doorstep, right on his property, when he was taking his own children to school.

00:04:33.060 Here, now, I've altered this video in one way. I've taken out their laugh track to show you what it was actually like.

00:04:41.860 Mayor Ford! It's me, Mark Delahunty!

00:04:44.740 Can I go into my car, please?

00:04:46.140 Because I gave up the Princess Warrior stuff, but when I saw what was happening to you...

00:04:49.960 Whoa, whoa, whoa, can I do my car?

00:04:50.540 I came all the way from Newfoundland to talk to you, honey.

00:04:53.740 With the plug in the jug, keep the muzzle on, dog.

00:04:55.940 He was a much gutsier kind of fella than that.

00:04:58.240 Yeah, hilarious. Going on someone's front doorstep with a camera while shrieking insults at him when he's taking his young children to school.

00:05:06.280 They actually flew in that former comedian, Mary Walsh.

00:05:09.680 Dreadfully unfunny, but they call her a comedian.

00:05:12.800 It wasn't comedy, it was a smear.

00:05:14.160 They brought her out of retirement, flew her in from St. John's just for that.

00:05:18.280 You know, Rob Ford had so many personal demons, drug use, alcoholism, overeating.

00:05:22.700 I mean, imagine the mental stress and strain, the depression, and then being hounded like this day and night by the media party.

00:05:29.580 You know that so-called comedian, Mary Walsh? 1.00

00:05:32.700 By the way, she's a long-time drunk, too.

00:05:34.840 She talks about it, and I sympathize with her.

00:05:37.820 And here she is as part of the Bell Let's Talk.

00:05:40.560 Mental health moment.

00:05:41.920 Hey, guys, don't pick on people with mental illness.

00:05:44.380 Hey, guys, let's be nice to each other, not bully people.

00:05:46.760 Hey, guys, let's not pick on people with addictions.

00:05:49.100 Ha-ha, except Rob Ford, sucker!

00:05:51.160 Yeah, that was an ambassador for mental health.

00:05:53.920 Anyways, the thing is, of course, I don't have to tell you this,

00:05:56.800 all of these abusive personal attacks on Rob Ford only made ordinary people love him more

00:06:02.520 because when they mock Ford for being fat, what do you think they're thinking about you being fat?

00:06:09.260 When they mock him for not keeping to his diet, what do they think about you?

00:06:14.500 Do you have a smoking problem, a drinking problem, whatever?

00:06:17.240 What would they say about you if they deal with the mayor this way?

00:06:21.160 So the more the fancy people hated him, the more the ordinary people sort of loved him.

00:06:26.520 He suffered for them.

00:06:28.280 And he never forgot who his friends were, and he never forgot who his enemies were.

00:06:31.860 How could he forget? They would never let him forget.

00:06:34.520 And every once in a while, we were reminded that he knew.

00:06:37.640 Like this wonderful, wonderful interview with that pompous Marxist on the CBC radio, perhaps my favorite media interview by a politician of all time.

00:06:51.000 It's not even contemptuous.

00:06:53.040 You have to care to show contempt.

00:06:55.420 Just absolutely treating the CBC the way it ought to be treated.

00:07:00.080 Scratch that.

00:07:00.740 Treating them better than they ought to be treated.

00:07:03.400 Treating them with more respect than they treat others.

00:07:05.760 But I give you, without more comment from me, the greatest media interview ever done by a politician.

00:07:13.840 Mr. Ford, congratulations.

00:07:15.600 Thank you. I appreciate it.

00:07:16.580 People are saying it's calling it a stunning win.

00:07:20.160 What do you think that...

00:07:20.900 Things are going really well.

00:07:22.300 What drew so much support...

00:07:23.340 Oh, chapter juniors aren't even here, eh?

00:07:25.560 All right.

00:07:26.920 Hello, Mr. Ford, are you there?

00:07:28.900 Yeah, yeah, I'm here, yeah.

00:07:29.840 Oh, you're at some event, or...

00:07:32.300 I'm a coach. I'm a football coach.

00:07:34.080 Okay, so you're at football practice then.

00:07:36.080 Yes.

00:07:36.640 All right, well, okay, we'll continue then.

00:07:39.060 What is it that you think drew so much support to your campaign?

00:07:42.860 No, it's just people are sick and tired of the wasteful spending.

00:07:45.960 People are sick and tired of wasteful spending.

00:07:47.540 That's the bottom line.

00:07:48.520 That's what it comes down to.

00:07:50.420 Well, they were...

00:07:50.920 You know, I'm the only one that could go down there.

00:07:53.080 You just go get...

00:07:54.140 Go out and get changed.

00:07:57.320 Don't worry about the water right now.

00:07:59.600 Paul, are you there?

00:08:00.540 Hello?

00:08:01.040 Sorry.

00:08:01.780 Uh-huh.

00:08:02.620 So, yeah, no, people are just fed up with, you know, politicians squandering hard-earned tax dollars,

00:08:10.960 and they know that I'm going to get rid of the $6 car registration tax and the land transfer tax.

00:08:15.380 Well, you know that your campaign has been compared to Mike Harris's common-sense revolution,

00:08:20.920 to the Tea Party movement.

00:08:23.280 Do you see those comparisons?

00:08:24.880 They compare it to whatever they want.

00:08:25.760 I don't care.

00:08:26.800 I just know the taxpayers want, you know, the gravy train to come to an end,

00:08:31.660 and that's...

00:08:33.180 Rob Ford's got to do it.

00:08:34.260 Do you think there are similarities?

00:08:36.400 And I don't see there's any similarities.

00:08:39.360 I just know that, like I said, I'm going to put an end to the wasteful spending

00:08:44.180 and, you know, stop the gravy train.

00:08:49.100 Sorry I'm being distracted.

00:08:52.100 So, that's pretty well it.

00:08:53.920 Mr. Ford, do you think that, though, there's not people who might think that their taxes are too high

00:08:59.100 or that too much is being spent on things?

00:09:00.940 There seems to be a division in this city.

00:09:03.640 People in the...

00:09:04.520 You've seen it in even your voting.

00:09:06.160 People who live in the more of the core of the city have different priorities than people in the suburbs.

00:09:12.200 So, when you stop the gravy train, some people want to see more public transportation, more bike lanes.

00:09:18.160 Others want to see better routes out into the suburbs.

00:09:21.300 How are you going to reconcile that?

00:09:22.640 Yeah, well, the first and foremost concern with people is money.

00:09:26.960 That's the first and foremost concern.

00:09:28.320 So, I'm going to make sure our finances, you know, are well taken care of

00:09:33.360 and then we can deal with all the other issues.

00:09:34.800 But money is the first and foremost concern and that's what my...

00:09:40.740 what I'm going to concentrate on.

00:09:42.620 Well, sure, that's everyone's concern.

00:09:44.440 But we're not sure what it is that you're going to save money on.

00:09:47.680 Are you going to reduce public transportation?

00:09:49.120 I told you that I'm going to get rid of the $60 car registration tax and the land transfer tax.

00:09:52.360 So, maybe I'm not making myself clear,

00:09:55.220 but I'm going to get rid of the $60 car registration tax and the land transfer tax.

00:09:58.540 And we're going to stop the waste of spending and not have $12 retirement parties

00:10:02.640 and, you know, all the other nonsense that's been going on for seven years.

00:10:06.260 Anyways, I've got to let you go here.

00:10:07.780 Well, can I ask you about public transportation before you go?

00:10:10.940 Pardon me?

00:10:11.380 I can't talk to you right now.

00:10:12.440 I'm really on a tight schedule.

00:10:13.880 So, I hate to be rude, but I've got to let you go and we can chat another time.

00:10:16.900 Really nice talking to you.

00:10:17.940 All the best.

00:10:18.500 Bye-bye.

00:10:19.120 I love that so much.

00:10:21.360 And before I come to my point, and I'm sure you're waiting for my point,

00:10:24.500 let me show you perhaps the most concentrated Rob Ford moment of perfection you'll ever see, too.

00:10:31.520 That sums them up in a minute.

00:10:33.580 Tells you everything you need to know about him, why you can trust him,

00:10:36.800 why, as I said on Sun News Network on our Rob Ford special those years ago,

00:10:40.660 I'd rather have Rob Ford drunk than any liberal sober.

00:10:46.080 Ford is a deeply flawed man.

00:10:47.540 But I'd take him drunk over his left-wing predecessor sober.

00:10:52.820 Yeah, Rob was great.

00:10:54.360 Here's why.

00:10:55.500 I've got all the free passes for councillors.

00:10:58.760 I call them free perks that are tax-free, which is costing the taxpayers millions of dollars.

00:11:04.460 So, let's start off.

00:11:06.600 So, let's start off.

00:11:06.720 Free zoo pass.

00:11:08.940 Toronto Zoo VIP pass.

00:11:11.760 The VIP named on this card and his or her family will be granted parking, admission, and rides at the Toronto Zoo without charge.

00:11:20.720 I can bring everybody in my family here to the zoo for free.

00:11:26.220 The average person has to pay $15, $20 to get in, $10 or $15 to park, $5 or $10 a ride.

00:11:34.720 The poor average family is paying $200.

00:11:37.140 Councillors that are getting paid $100,000 get to get in for free.

00:11:41.660 It's absolutely wrong.

00:11:43.560 That's just the tip of the iceberg.

00:11:44.640 Let's get on to some other stuff here.

00:11:47.820 Metro passes.

00:11:49.660 Here's a metro pass.

00:11:52.080 This is equivalent to $1,300 a year.

00:11:55.680 Again, councillors make $100,000 a year.

00:11:59.020 I take home $1,400 a week net.

00:12:02.320 Why should councillors get a free metro pass?

00:12:06.840 The TTC is dying for money.

00:12:08.840 We've just increased fares, $0.25.

00:12:10.440 The average person out there, the poor working student or the poor working senior that has to get out there and get on the bus every day, has to pay $3.

00:12:20.260 But we, the councillors, get on the bus for free.

00:12:23.840 This should be eliminated immediately.

00:12:25.860 That's amazing.

00:12:27.220 And I tell you all this, and I go on this 10-minute Rob Ford reminiscence rant to tell you, Doug Ford is no Rob Ford.

00:12:36.340 They look a bit the same.

00:12:37.640 They have the same mom and dad, and that's about it.

00:12:40.640 That's it.

00:12:41.800 Doug Ford is not a populist.

00:12:44.760 He despises the little people. 0.93

00:12:47.000 At least he says so.

00:12:48.360 He doesn't champion them.

00:12:50.680 He's been hanging out with the fancy people now, the folks who hated his brother, called his brother fat.

00:12:56.580 I mean, look at this headline from the Toronto Star.

00:12:58.300 The paper that mercilessly mocked his brother, hounded his brother, paid people cash, so they secretly filmed them on their cell phones in private homes and private places to embarrass them.

00:13:09.360 Doug Ford loves being loved by the powerful people who hate him.

00:13:14.580 He sort of hates the little people, the people who used to be called Ford Nation but really aren't anymore.

00:13:19.920 They didn't leave him, the people.

00:13:22.800 He left them, and he stabbed them in the heart on the way to the Toronto Star's editorial board.

00:13:28.000 We have, you know, a bunch of yahoos out in the front of Queen's Park sitting there protesting that the place isn't open as they're breaking the law. 1.00

00:13:37.460 Yahoos, who are stupid. 1.00

00:13:40.680 And as for the organizers, you know something, guys?

00:13:43.280 I don't get it.

00:13:44.280 I just don't get it.

00:13:46.160 If we weren't so backlogged on MRIs, I'd send you to the MRI to get your brain scanned because I just, I don't think there's anything in there.

00:13:53.120 Yeah, that doesn't sound like Rob Ford, does it?

00:13:55.240 That sounds like the Toronto Star mocking Rob Ford.

00:13:59.200 Except the words are coming out of Doug Ford's mouth.

00:14:01.280 Doug Ford isn't the type to cut up his little perk cards.

00:14:05.060 He's not ending the gravy train.

00:14:06.980 When have you ever heard him even use that phrase anymore?

00:14:09.720 He's retired then.

00:14:11.260 No, he's not shutting down the gravy train.

00:14:12.800 He's shutting down mom and pop businesses.

00:14:15.640 Restaurants, bars, theaters, gyms, whatever.

00:14:18.200 Rob Ford fought for the little guy.

00:14:20.500 Doug Ford fights against the little guy.

00:14:22.800 Oh, it's for your own good, you see.

00:14:25.260 And Doug Ford has an anger and a rage that Rob Ford never showed towards the people.

00:14:29.980 What a disappointment.

00:14:30.780 And I say this as a guy who went on TV, the most watched episode in Sun News Network history, to praise the brothers.

00:14:38.560 But really, now that I think about it, I wasn't really praising Doug Ford.

00:14:42.080 I really didn't know much about him at the time.

00:14:44.000 It was Rob Ford I knew.

00:14:45.940 And it shows.

00:14:46.820 So we have an Ontario Conservative government that isn't conserving anything, really.

00:14:52.620 Look at this.

00:14:53.660 Doug Ford says the Liberal government is amazing.

00:14:57.740 And she says, Christia Freeland says that Doug Ford is her therapist.

00:15:03.760 It's a lovely friendship, isn't it?

00:15:06.680 Doug Ford isn't loyal to Ford Nation or the Conservatives.

00:15:09.960 He's got no time for them.

00:15:11.100 He's loyal to his new friends in the media party, in the Liberal Party.

00:15:14.200 He's not going to campaign for the Conservatives against Trudeau.

00:15:17.140 How could he?

00:15:17.660 Why would he?

00:15:18.360 He's on their gravy train now.

00:15:19.960 He's the conductor.

00:15:20.700 Why would he derail it?

00:15:22.820 What a disappointment.

00:15:23.860 But really, where's a Conservative to go?

00:15:26.900 I personally know of a number of Conservative MPPs who are upset with how pro-liberal Ford is.

00:15:32.480 But put aside the partisan part.

00:15:34.360 They're just upset with Ford's second wave of lockdowns.

00:15:37.200 His complete deference to experts like Theresa Tam and the dozen mini Theresa Tams salted throughout the government of Ontario.

00:15:46.260 There are a grand total of 34 people in all of Ontario, population 14 and a half million.

00:15:53.580 34 people on ventilators.

00:15:55.320 There are almost 3,000 acute care beds with ventilators for COVID patients.

00:16:02.520 So each ventilator patient has 100 hospital beds to themselves.

00:16:10.020 Here's a graph showing how many people in Ontario have tested positive on any given day.

00:16:14.340 And you bet it's skyrocketing.

00:16:15.880 Oh, yes.

00:16:16.520 But the number of people in the hospital, it just isn't skyrocketing.

00:16:21.280 They're not getting sick or at least not very sick.

00:16:23.480 No wonder the media keeps talking about cases, not actual illnesses.

00:16:28.500 You see, half of those cases are false positives.

00:16:31.700 So says the government itself.

00:16:33.660 And in fact, if you're testing in a population that doesn't have very much COVID,

00:16:38.880 you'll get false positives almost half the time.

00:16:42.180 So who's going to criticize Doug Ford and his unscientific lockdowns and his bans and his rules and his regulations

00:16:50.000 and his dismissive smear against the people?

00:16:53.020 Who?

00:16:53.140 The Liberal Party?

00:16:54.560 They want to go even harder against the people.

00:16:56.640 Same with the NDP.

00:16:57.620 They love this.

00:16:58.380 This is the big spending, big borrowing, big taxing, socialist utopia they always dreamed about.

00:17:03.180 The Econuts love this too.

00:17:05.380 They shut down the economy as they always wanted to do.

00:17:08.560 The government unions love it.

00:17:10.100 They're essential.

00:17:11.040 They get paid no matter what.

00:17:12.220 They get paid not to work.

00:17:14.220 Private businesses are shut down.

00:17:15.560 The political class hasn't been touched by these lockdowns.

00:17:19.140 None of Doug Ford's new friends have been impacted in any way.

00:17:23.720 And you don't seriously think he follows his own rules about social distancing or masks or not connecting households, do you?

00:17:31.140 I mean, do you really?

00:17:32.700 I mean, do you really?

00:17:34.880 So what's the alternative?

00:17:36.200 I see Maxime Bernier is running in a federal by-election in North Toronto.

00:17:39.420 I like him, but he's going to be lucky to get 10% of the vote there.

00:17:42.920 Sorry, I wish it weren't so.

00:17:44.000 I wish he'd win, but even if he did, he's federal, of course.

00:17:47.240 He's not provincial.

00:17:48.040 Provincially, I see nothing other than a handful of conservative backbenchers too timid to speak out seriously.

00:17:54.560 Just total submission and compliance in that caucus.

00:17:58.280 Very obedient.

00:18:01.140 Except last night, I see that Jim Karahalios, a gadfly in both the federal and provincial conservative parties,

00:18:06.980 and his wife, Belinda, a conservative MPP who has been ejected from Doug Ford's caucus.

00:18:12.640 They were talking about starting a new political party.

00:18:15.460 So on Friday, right before the Thanksgiving weekend, at the end of day, Elections Ontario sent us formal documentation,

00:18:22.500 and they approved the name of a new political party, the New Blue Party of Ontario.

00:18:28.280 And we've now received the okay to use that name for a political party.

00:18:33.080 And we'll either have to collect 1,000 signatures from people across Ontario who are eligible to vote in a general election

00:18:39.740 and submit that to Elections Ontario to get approved.

00:18:43.680 There's also a possibility that we can work with some other smaller parties in Ontario that already exist

00:18:48.400 and see if there would be a merger of some sorts to speed up the process.

00:18:53.180 And that's, help is on the way.

00:18:55.380 So people have reached out to us, said, you can't stop.

00:18:58.580 You got to run again, Belinda.

00:19:00.140 You guys need to together not give up.

00:19:03.680 And so that's the solution, creating a new party in Ontario because the Ontario PC party, there's no democracy inside of it.

00:19:11.280 And they say that Randy Hillier, an outspoken conservative MP, also kicked out of the caucus.

00:19:16.020 Well, who knows? He might join them too, possibly.

00:19:19.060 So it's the new blue party of Ontario for us moving forward.

00:19:22.720 It's very exciting.

00:19:23.680 And the first goal would be to help you get re-elected.

00:19:26.720 And Randy Hillier, whether he runs as an independent or maybe when he closes the loop there with the Ontario PC party sitting on their riding board,

00:19:35.520 it'd be great to have him run under the party banner.

00:19:38.080 Isn't that interesting?

00:19:39.400 I really wish Maxime Bernier had a seat in Parliament, just one, maybe many.

00:19:43.680 But without one, he's just a pundit, really.

00:19:46.540 A new party with seats, without seats, rather, a new party without seats, it's an advocacy group.

00:19:53.540 It has no resources, no office, no right to speak in the legislature.

00:19:56.980 But imagine a party with a couple of seats.

00:20:00.320 Don't laugh.

00:20:00.980 The provincial Liberals only have eight.

00:20:03.200 I don't know Belinda Kerr-Hellier as well.

00:20:05.680 Randy Hillier has been the best critic of the lockdowns in Ontario.

00:20:09.420 I mean, look at this provocative but fact-based question he put the other day.

00:20:15.280 Thank you, Speaker.

00:20:16.100 Speaker, my question is to the Premier.

00:20:18.280 In my supplemental question yesterday, I asked this government if the people of Ontario should prepare for internment camps.

00:20:24.900 In September, the federal government posted a call for expressions of interest for contractors to supply, provide, and manage quarantine isolation camps throughout every province and every territory in Canada.

00:20:40.040 These quarantine isolation camps, however, are not limited to people with COVID, but provide a wide latitude for many people to be detained.

00:20:52.620 Surely this government is aware of the intentions to build these isolation camps from coast to coast.

00:21:00.300 And my question to the Premier is, how many of these camps will be built?

00:21:04.660 And how many people does this government expect to detain?

00:21:07.460 Question.

00:21:08.600 It's not a conspiracy theory.

00:21:10.740 That's a question based on a procurement contract tenured by the Liberals.

00:21:14.700 I can tell you, many conservative MPPs are thinking that quarantine facilities procurement, that's nuts, that's crazy, don't go there.

00:21:24.440 But not one has the courage to say it out loud.

00:21:26.420 The NDP and the Liberals are lusting for it.

00:21:28.640 Doug Ford's silent about it.

00:21:30.300 I like the fact that Randy Hillier is talking about it.

00:21:32.460 If this new party starts, even with two MPPs, they can raise issues that otherwise would be ignored.

00:21:37.380 Real issues, real questions, providing real opposition that the media party hasn't, that other opposition parties haven't.

00:21:44.000 The Civil Liberties Associations haven't.

00:21:45.760 Real opposition.

00:21:46.640 And who knows?

00:21:47.920 Maybe they would grow in number with more defections.

00:21:49.940 Surely not every one of the 72 PCs love what Doug Ford is doing.

00:21:54.340 Surely there is at least, I don't know, one businessman in there, or one nurse or doctor or accountant who says,

00:21:59.360 You're ruining people's lives now.

00:22:02.320 The lockdown is killing more than it saves.

00:22:05.620 Who knows?

00:22:06.660 A guy can dream.

00:22:07.580 But stay with me.

00:22:08.540 I've got Jim and Palinda Karajalios on the line to answer my questions next.

00:22:12.440 And joining me now, live via Skype, are Jim and Palinda Karajalios.

00:22:30.500 Hello.

00:22:31.180 Thanks for taking the time to be with us today.

00:22:33.560 Hi, Ezra.

00:22:34.180 Good to be here.

00:22:34.780 Thanks for having us.

00:22:35.760 Well, my pleasure.

00:22:37.020 I watched your mutual interview.

00:22:40.640 I guess you sort of interviewed each other over the Thanksgiving long weekend.

00:22:44.900 And I thought it's interesting.

00:22:46.500 But I thought there was also a lot of news in it.

00:22:49.860 The idea of creating a new explicitly conservative political party in Ontario is news.

00:22:57.620 But it's much more powerful news if that party starts off with an actual elected representative.

00:23:04.300 And, Belinda, that's your plan, I take it, is to be the first MPP in the new blue party.

00:23:12.220 Yes, that's correct.

00:23:13.300 You know, currently, Ezra, there is no party in the Ontario legislature that is defending the taxpayer,

00:23:21.560 defending places of worship, defending small businesses,

00:23:25.280 none promoting or protecting freedoms or democracy or fighting political corruption.

00:23:29.840 And that's what the new blue party stands for.

00:23:32.760 So, if I understand from your video yesterday, you have the name pre-approved by Elections Ontario.

00:23:40.080 So, they won't strike out that name later as being too close to another party or confusing.

00:23:45.680 So, you have to go through the effort of getting, I think, 1,000 electors to sign a petition saying,

00:23:52.720 yes, this is a new party.

00:23:54.100 Now, Jim, you're pretty good at the emails and the websites.

00:23:57.960 I can't imagine that getting 1,000 signatures is going to be hard for you.

00:24:02.220 Is that something you can do online or does it have to be people signing by hand a petition or something?

00:24:07.880 Well, every time you do something like this, Ezra, it's a new challenge.

00:24:11.780 We should be able to get 1,000.

00:24:13.440 It doesn't have to come from a certain number of writings.

00:24:16.920 And as far as we know, it could be physical form or scan.

00:24:20.360 And there's also the option, you know, if there's a snap election, we run three candidates, we get registered.

00:24:26.180 Or we work with another existing party to do some kind of a merger.

00:24:30.000 We've already had petitions coming in since last night.

00:24:33.820 Pleasantly surprised, caught us off guard.

00:24:36.280 They're coming in.

00:24:37.260 We haven't had a chance to count and see how many we've received.

00:24:40.520 But there's a lot of support across Ontario for a party that represents the values that Belinda discussed and a party that doesn't agree with all the other establishment parties on every major policy issue. 0.99

00:24:55.340 Now, Belinda, I know your former caucus colleague, the both of you are on the outs now, Randy Hillier.

00:25:03.000 I very much appreciate his principal take on things.

00:25:08.940 It didn't surprise me one bit when he was given the boot by Doug Ford.

00:25:13.240 He's a bit of a dissident in his own way like you guys are.

00:25:17.620 Have you had any communications with him that you're at liberty to describe?

00:25:22.840 Because one MPP in a new party is something.

00:25:27.100 But you have two.

00:25:28.140 All of a sudden, you're a bit of a thing.

00:25:30.080 You can have caucus meetings.

00:25:32.520 You maybe one day might even get some sort of a budget from the speaker's office.

00:25:37.200 I don't know.

00:25:37.480 Maybe you sit next to each other in the provincial parliament.

00:25:40.460 Have you talked to Randy at all?

00:25:42.060 Or at least are you able to tell us if you have?

00:25:45.540 So in order to get any type of benefit in the legislature, you do need to have 12 people.

00:25:50.580 So if Randy were to join, we'd be another 10 people away from that.

00:25:55.520 But as far as I know, he's still part of his PC board.

00:25:59.300 I don't know if his intention is to run again.

00:26:02.780 But, you know, always open to conversations.

00:26:05.920 Yeah, we support Randy.

00:26:07.260 And he's been through a hard go with this Ford government.

00:26:11.720 He was a loyal PC caucus member for 14 years.

00:26:15.120 He was fighting, you know, some of the underhanded things that we saw under the prior leader.

00:26:21.080 Got to turf very early on under Ford, under bogus allegations from Ford's backroom boys.

00:26:28.300 And so we support him.

00:26:29.320 So if he makes the announcement he wants to run again, even as an independent Ezra, we would support him.

00:26:35.400 And it'd be great to have him on side and have Belinda and him as two MPPs as part of the same party in a united front.

00:26:42.520 Now, Jim, we've been following you for some time now.

00:26:48.680 Most recently in your campaign to become the leader of the federal conservatives, that ended when the party disqualified you, banned you, fined you in a closed-door hearing.

00:27:01.540 We objected to that, just like we objected to the other candidates to carry from Quebec being thrown out.

00:27:09.640 My point of view is in a democratic party, let the members decide.

00:27:15.080 But that is how your fate ended there.

00:27:17.660 And you had similar internal battles with Ontario's PC party under its former leader, Patrick Brown.

00:27:26.440 I think it's good to be a dissident.

00:27:28.140 I regard myself as a dissident, but are you a builder also?

00:27:34.580 And I remember I asked you a question to this effect when you ran for the federal conservatives.

00:27:40.780 You're a critic, which we need.

00:27:42.760 We don't have enough of.

00:27:44.400 You bring a focus to shortcomings.

00:27:49.120 But are you a builder also?

00:27:51.120 Can this be more than just a party of the people Doug Ford kicks out?

00:27:56.140 Belinda and I are builders, Ezra.

00:27:59.900 And you'll know that it's largely the same people in the back in the federal conservative and the Ontario PC party when it comes to internal party races.

00:28:07.680 If we weren't builders, Ezra, we wouldn't be in this position.

00:28:11.000 If we were running and finishing last, whether it was Belinda's nomination, me running at a PC convention or in the federal leadership, they'd ignore us.

00:28:20.000 So it's exactly the fact that we're not just critics.

00:28:24.220 We were asking for the PC party to abide by their constitution, their processes.

00:28:30.380 They're the ones that are offside and going rogue with just basic democratic things that they promised the members.

00:28:36.680 And we were able to build movements and become a threat.

00:28:40.440 And they went after us.

00:28:41.380 If we weren't builders offering solutions, they would just leave us alone and ignore us.

00:28:46.180 And if we weren't builders, Ezra, in the 2018 PC leadership race, all four candidates wouldn't have agreed with axe the carbon tax, take back our PC party, cleaning up the party.

00:28:56.020 All right, fair answer.

00:28:58.600 Hey, Belinda, I presume that you would be the founding leader of the party.

00:29:03.400 Is that correct?

00:29:04.240 And would there be a party convention where that would be formalized?

00:29:07.880 Would you just sort of start off as the founding leader?

00:29:09.980 Would there be a leadership contest?

00:29:11.860 How would that go?

00:29:13.220 So the news that was released less than 24 hours ago.

00:29:16.900 So we're still kind of, we've got to submit the signatures once we get them.

00:29:22.000 So that hasn't been discussed yet, but that will be coming.

00:29:24.560 And we have a team helping us, Ezra, in the back.

00:29:27.580 And part of the thing we didn't cover in the video is Belinda tasked me.

00:29:31.560 She came up with the name and she said, Jim, go and figure out if Elections Ontario will let us use this name.

00:29:37.360 And they caught us off guard Friday, end of day, pleasantly.

00:29:40.300 We're not complaining about it.

00:29:41.720 We thought it would take five, six weeks to get a yay or nay or some suggestions.

00:29:45.080 And they sent it back Friday, put it up on the website on Elections Ontario.

00:29:48.960 So it was public.

00:29:50.040 So we felt like we needed to let people know before someone checked on their website.

00:29:54.560 What was going on?

00:29:57.340 Well, I'm guessing they don't have a lot going on these days in Elections Ontario.

00:30:01.780 Well, they do a good job.

00:30:03.120 They do a good job.

00:30:04.060 Well, I'm glad to hear it.

00:30:06.300 The federal counterparts apparently allowed 3,500 foreigners to vote in the last election that we know about.

00:30:13.580 So voter fraud starts in internal party races and then it bleeds into general elections.

00:30:18.440 So it's becoming a problem.

00:30:20.200 Yeah, I agree.

00:30:21.460 I know there's a number of Ontario Conservatives who are not thrilled with this lockdown.

00:30:27.180 They might be agitated by Doug Ford for personal reasons or for, you know, particular issues.

00:30:35.420 But the general approach to lockdown, I think you look around the world and I think that it's not even a left-wing, right-wing divide.

00:30:44.200 It's an authoritarian, big government authoritarian, reduced democracy, stay in the emergency state, keep issuing orders by fiat or governing by regulation.

00:30:59.060 The United Kingdom and Australia's state of Victoria have to be the worst for that.

00:31:03.900 But I sense a divide and it's about 90% of the people on the authoritarian side and about 10% of the people on the liberty side.

00:31:12.040 But I see the pendulum swinging back in some places like the UK.

00:31:15.060 Do you know of any sitting Doug Ford MPPs who have expressed privately their concern with the way Doug Ford has just absolutely embraced the medical political state, the medical political industrial complex?

00:31:35.420 Sure, Theresa Tam, sure, World Health Organization will just hand you all the decisions that we used to make democratically.

00:31:42.040 Is there anyone in Ford's caucus who says, you know, I don't like the way this is going?

00:31:47.980 Yeah, so I have a good relationship with a lot of the PC caucus members still.

00:31:52.520 And, you know, a lot of them were frustrated with a lot of the flip-flops that occurred to promises made in the 2018 election that were then broken after we all got our seats in government.

00:32:04.220 And this was a breaking point for a lot of them.

00:32:06.580 But I understand that there is a lot of fear.

00:32:09.720 So there was a whole, you know, all 72 sitting MPPs were appointed.

00:32:15.220 They said it was acclaimed, but we know it's appointed for the next election.

00:32:18.820 So it's that carrot that's being dangled, right?

00:32:20.980 So a lot of them, as much as they don't agree with it, unfortunately, there is no real dissent that's allowed.

00:32:28.560 Because as you saw with me, once you actually publicly speak out against something, you get the boot.

00:32:33.980 And wondering what the MPPs think or believe, Ezra, doesn't really matter anymore.

00:32:39.340 Because we're in a world now where they don't even have the right to speak out without getting TERF.

00:32:43.540 Yeah.

00:32:44.100 And so it's just about what the leader and a couple of his handlers think, and maybe a couple in cabinet, and everyone else, you know, who cares what they think?

00:32:54.760 And constituents across Ontario are left without democratic representation in that kind of system.

00:33:00.720 And that's what I have the most issue with, is the fact that at the end of the day, regardless of what party someone stands for, the member of provincial parliament is the voice for all of his or her constituents.

00:33:11.800 And when you do not allow an MPP to speak on behalf of their constituents, you've silenced all of those people.

00:33:17.680 So, so much for democracy.

00:33:19.740 And I have a huge issue with that.

00:33:21.620 Now, I'm not as familiar with the smaller parties in Ontario as I should be.

00:33:27.680 But if the other provinces that I know better are any guide, there's typically parties to the right that don't have a chance of electing a government,

00:33:40.120 and usually don't have the chance of electing even a single seat.

00:33:43.220 But in some ridings, they pick up 5%, 10%, 15% of the vote if they have a charismatic candidate.

00:33:49.680 I'm thinking in some parts of BC, the Christian Heritage Party.

00:33:52.580 I'm thinking actually provincially, the BC, they have the Provincial Conservative Party.

00:33:58.040 In Alberta, it used to be split between the Wild Rose Party and the Alberta Alliance, etc.

00:34:03.780 Are there other small parties in Ontario that might agree to be rolled up into the new blue party,

00:34:13.540 given that you guys have the profile and at least one seat in the provincial parliament?

00:34:19.100 So, we're happy to talk to, you know, when you're building a party, you want to talk to as many people as possible.

00:34:25.620 And if they share the values and the go-forward, we're happy to talk to them.

00:34:31.540 The trajectory of the PC Party over not only the last two leaders, but really over the last 15, 20 years,

00:34:38.260 has resulted in Ontario with a number of small political parties, not just one or two.

00:34:44.940 And, you know, I think that that's a direct reflection of having a PC party that doesn't represent the activists

00:34:53.680 and the voters on the ground who vote for it.

00:34:56.540 And people want to do something and they register political parties, and that's their only outlet.

00:35:01.660 That's their only avenue.

00:35:02.680 So, there's quite a few parties out there.

00:35:04.220 We don't know the people who lead those parties personally, with the exception of one or two.

00:35:11.680 But we're happy to have those discussions, absolutely.

00:35:15.540 Well, I think this is very interesting.

00:35:17.460 I think that for so long, conservative parties have taken conservative voters for granted

00:35:22.180 simply by saying, well, where else are you going to go?

00:35:25.040 I think this new party you are conceiving perhaps answers that question.

00:35:29.800 It'll be interesting to me if Doug Ford tacks back to the right to nip you in the bud,

00:35:37.120 or if he does the opposite, if he drives more people to you by contemptuously dealing with your issues.

00:35:45.420 Oh, he'll most definitely do that, Ezra.

00:35:47.420 Even after Belinda started asking questions in the House the last three, four weeks,

00:35:50.900 you saw him give some rhetoric in some of the press conferences.

00:35:54.700 Post media came running to his defense for a 24-hour news cycle.

00:35:58.940 Oh, he's back! Doug Ford's back!

00:36:00.700 He's definitely going to do that, but Belinda's exposed so many flip-flops of the Doug Ford government 1.00

00:36:07.120 that any conservative voter who buys his rhetoric after two years of what we've seen,

00:36:13.740 you know, fool me once, Ezra, but we've got to look beyond the rhetoric and see what he's actually doing.

00:36:19.460 He's not Rob Ford. He's Doug Ford. He's an authoritarian.

00:36:23.440 He's not conservative, and he's not for democracy.

00:36:25.700 Doug Ford's liberal government.

00:36:26.820 All right, well, listen, good to catch up with you, too. Thanks for taking the time to be with us.

00:36:31.760 We'll follow with great interest, and we'll see what our friend Randy Hillier does,

00:36:36.640 another MPP who speaks his mind.

00:36:39.440 We'll see if other conservative MPPs decide to leave the Doug Ford party and join you,

00:36:45.740 or who else you attract on the grassroots side.

00:36:49.020 Keep in touch with us.

00:36:50.780 Thanks, Ezra.

00:36:51.340 Thank you so much.

00:36:52.120 All right, there you have it.

00:36:53.080 Jim and Belinda Keria-Hellios, who announced over the weekend that they have pre-approval

00:36:58.420 for the name of a new party in Ontario, and now they're going to try to build it.

00:37:04.300 Stay with us.

00:37:05.020 More ahead.

00:37:05.860 Hey, welcome back.

00:37:18.500 Your letters on our show yesterday on the best of Drea Humphrey.

00:37:23.160 Paul writes,

00:37:24.200 Great find by Rebel News.

00:37:25.580 Drea is another great addition to the team. 0.96

00:37:27.880 I am so thrilled with how she's doing.

00:37:30.220 I think she's wonderful, and Vancouver is such an important city, and she covers the

00:37:35.620 hot issues.

00:37:36.740 She's doing a great job.

00:37:38.800 Jer writes,

00:37:40.120 Drea does a fantastic job of representing Canada's West Coast. 1.00

00:37:43.580 Are there any plans to bring on an East Coast member to the team?

00:37:46.540 Maybe Rex Murphy would be interested.

00:37:48.800 Well, I love Rex Murphy.

00:37:50.100 I don't know if he's an on-the-ground reporter, though.

00:37:52.160 He's more a commentator who sits back, looks at the passing parade, and gives his commentary.

00:37:56.600 I don't know if he's ever actually gone out into the field as a reporter, certainly not

00:38:01.260 in recent years.

00:38:02.400 He's the best.

00:38:03.200 I think he's probably all locked up in an exclusive deal with Postmedia.

00:38:07.820 I don't know if he'd even do a Rebel video, but I would like to have someone in the Atlantic.

00:38:13.560 They've got to be good.

00:38:14.480 They've got to be rebellious in spirit.

00:38:16.300 They've got to be courageous to swim against the current there.

00:38:19.780 I should say we do have one journalist in the Atlantic, and she's slowly gearing up.

00:38:26.380 It's our friend Anna Slantz, and she's not going full tilt.

00:38:30.640 She's not doing videos every day, but she's doing writing for us and editing, and who knows?

00:38:35.840 Maybe she will be our Atlantic star. 0.97

00:38:40.460 I'll have to talk to her some more.

00:38:42.120 Instead of brainstorming on TV, I'll give the gal a call. 0.99

00:38:46.840 Anyways, we do have lots of talent these days.

00:38:49.920 Anna's great.

00:38:50.700 Dre is great.

00:38:51.500 And we recently hired someone from Port Coburg, of course, Tamara Ugolini.

00:38:57.280 There's a lot of Rebels, and we're fighting so hard.

00:39:00.040 And, you know, one of the hardest fighting is down in Australia, Alvi Amini in Melbourne.

00:39:04.860 So we're giving her every day.

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Rebel News Podcast - October 14, 2020

New provincial party to the right of Doug Ford's PCs launching in Ontario

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