Rebel News Podcast - Racism activists outraged by new study showing Canada isn't a racist country

00:00:00.000 Oh, hey, Rebels. I saw this story on CTV with Desmond Cole. He's a black extremist activist huckster hustler. 0.85

00:00:08.020 I saw him on CTV saying we're a white supremacist society, and he was referring to a survey on racism, 0.99

00:00:14.200 and I actually did what CTV didn't. I read the survey, and I'll take you through it.

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00:00:39.500 Anyway, here's the podcast.

00:00:44.940 You're listening to a Rebel News podcast.

00:00:47.320 Hi, everybody. Ezra Levant here. I recorded today's monologue before the news of Andrew Scheer stepping down

00:01:03.100 because I'm on the road and wanted to get that show squared away, and then what do you know?

00:01:07.200 Andrew Scheer goes ahead and resigns.

00:01:09.820 Now, reports say that the fundraising arm of the Conservative Party discovered

00:01:16.120 that he was getting unapproved payments to cover the costs of his kids' private school in Ottawa,

00:01:24.140 and they were outraged by this.

00:01:26.020 I do think that is sort of outrageous.

00:01:29.060 I mean, he makes a quarter million dollars a year as a leader of the opposition,

00:01:32.540 and he's done so for 10 years because he was making a huge salary as Speaker of the House,

00:01:39.740 and both as leader of the opposition and Speaker of the House, he had a free home,

00:01:44.340 so he wasn't paying for that.

00:01:46.840 And, of course, you get a ton of perks as an MP,

00:01:49.520 so I just don't understand why he couldn't pay for his own school.

00:01:53.000 And it's not like he just moved to Ottawa.

00:01:54.840 I just find the whole thing very odd, and it undermines any claim he has

00:01:59.560 to taking on Justin Trudeau's extravagances.

00:02:02.980 It just doesn't make sense, and it certainly doesn't square with his image of a just folks regular Joe.

00:02:08.800 I find it odd, and he says that's not why he resigned.

00:02:13.140 Maybe that's true, but the fact is he's gone, and to which I say, good.

00:02:18.380 He's an unremarkable man who did not leave a mark,

00:02:21.420 and I think the problem was he was not a fighter.

00:02:24.320 He was never in the trenches.

00:02:26.680 He was just sort of a candidate that gamed the system,

00:02:30.300 that made sense maybe on paper, but not in spirit.

00:02:33.840 And the good news is he's gone,

00:02:35.300 and now the party doesn't have to dig him out and blast him out,

00:02:40.220 as some have thought they might have to do.

00:02:42.240 And now we can get on with this,

00:02:43.960 and I look forward to seeing the names of the people who will throw their hat into the ring.

00:02:48.300 I don't know who it'll be yet.

00:02:49.560 If I had to pull some names out of the air, I'd suggest, oh, for example,

00:02:54.040 Pierre Polyev from the Ottawa area,

00:02:56.580 or Candace Bergen, the outstanding Manitoba MP.

00:02:59.860 Those are just a couple of examples.

00:03:02.200 Either way, Rebel News will be part of the debate,

00:03:04.860 and part of the process in the months ahead.

00:03:07.760 The only source you'll be able to trust,

00:03:09.880 because I tell you one thing, the CBC ain't gonna play it straight.

00:03:13.440 All right, that's it for my on-the-road update.

00:03:16.120 Now back to my pre-recorded show.

00:03:18.320 Tonight, a new study shows that Canada is not a racist country,

00:03:22.860 and racism activists are outraged.

00:03:25.980 It's December 12th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:03:28.440 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:03:34.300 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:03:38.380 The only thing I have to say to the government, the why I'm publishing,

00:03:42.140 is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:03:44.260 I know that Canada is not a racist country.

00:03:52.700 I know it because I've lived here my whole life.

00:03:55.000 I've lived in Vancouver, in Edmonton, Calgary, Toronto, Ottawa.

00:03:58.840 I've traveled to nine provinces and two territories.

00:04:02.040 I've met tens of thousands of people.

00:04:03.880 I know it's not racist.

00:04:05.780 Now, all of us are sinners, and all of us have our quirks and prejudices and even bigotries,

00:04:10.760 but as countries go, I truly think we've got the best score on that issue.

00:04:16.140 I mean, America is amazing, but they did have slavery.

00:04:19.520 There's no doubt about it.

00:04:20.540 And Jim Crow laws, we avoided that, didn't we, 0.99

00:04:23.300 since we were part of the British Empire,

00:04:25.260 and they literally declared war against slavery 200 years ago.

00:04:28.900 The British Navy literally hunted down slave ships the same way they hunted down pirates.

00:04:33.760 There are some ethnically homogeneous countries, like Japan, for example,

00:04:38.080 that don't have any racism,

00:04:40.260 but that's simply because there's no one else there, ethnically speaking.

00:04:43.440 It's a hypothetical issue.

00:04:45.320 Canada's pretty good.

00:04:46.900 I acknowledge we have treated aboriginal people poorly to this day in the Indian Act,

00:04:51.560 but I think in the main, most racism is actually conducted in the name of do-goodery.

00:04:56.720 The Indian Act itself was designed to help Indians by treating them like children, to protect them.

00:05:03.200 You see that in the Act to this day, special government protections for Indians,

00:05:07.320 giving the governments the power, for example, to revise a last will and testament

00:05:11.460 if some government bureaucrat thinks someone on the reserve didn't do it right.

00:05:15.420 It really treats Indians like children. 1.00

00:05:16.960 So yeah, there's still racism, but I truly believe it's done by the do-gooders more than by normal people.

00:05:23.500 You see what happened in the Black Lives Matter movement, which is a U.S. street gang, really. 0.82

00:05:29.340 I say that advisedly.

00:05:30.960 They were involved in various politically motivated riots.

00:05:34.680 They operated with the approval of the Obama White House.

00:05:37.540 They were like the exclamation point on Obama's policies.

00:05:40.840 In my view, they were a way to ensure that the black community kept voting Democrat,

00:05:45.280 no matter how bad things got in Democrat-run cities like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore.

00:05:50.540 But that's just not a thing here in Canada.

00:05:53.940 There are some old black communities in Canada, including in Nova Scotia,

00:05:57.840 and they face some discrimination, it's true.

00:05:59.620 But there's no massive, deep, ingrained, deep-seated racism against blacks in Canada.

00:06:05.520 Sorry, I just don't accept that.

00:06:07.100 And neither would Harriet Tubman, who helped free black slaves 0.99

00:06:10.820 and lead them through the Underground Railroad to Canada.

00:06:14.200 Here's the CBC admitting this.

00:06:15.860 They're beaming with pride in Canada's role in that just last month

00:06:19.800 because there's this new movie out about Tubman,

00:06:22.860 and there's a brief mention of Canada there.

00:06:26.500 So the CBC was really excited.

00:06:27.860 The CBC was pretty upset that the movie spelled a Canadian city's name wrong.

00:06:32.360 Take a look at this.

00:06:33.180 Follow that North Star.

00:06:35.280 Tubman's journey following the North Star ultimately led her to St. Catharines, Ontario.

00:06:40.780 You are welcome here anytime.

00:06:42.780 The last stop on the Underground Railroad.

00:06:46.240 While the city is briefly featured in the film and unfortunately misspelled,

00:06:50.940 Tubman called it home for nearly 10 years.

00:06:53.780 So the CBC's in a pickle.

00:06:55.440 On the one hand, they're proud of Harriet Tubman's role and Canada's role.

00:07:00.500 And like so many second-rateders, the CBC's really excited

00:07:02.900 when someone in the United States notices us.

00:07:05.160 So they were thrilled to talk about the movie and Canada's role in freeing the slaves.

00:07:08.600 That's fine.

00:07:09.280 But on the other hand, they really believe in the grievance culture too,

00:07:13.100 in being unhappy and seeing the worst of people.

00:07:16.040 So they don't want to get carried away by how excellent Canada was on the slavery issue.

00:07:20.540 I mean, sure, Canada may be where all the slaves dreamed of escaping to,

00:07:25.060 but the CBC knows that deep down, in our hearts, we were evil races too.

00:07:29.920 So they have done their best to demonize Johnny MacDonald,

00:07:33.360 and they cheer whenever his statue is taken down.

00:07:35.820 They cheered when he was removed from our $10 bill

00:07:38.180 and replaced by a black woman that really no one had heard of before, Viola Desmond. 0.97

00:07:43.820 Someone whose grand experience with fighting racism was that she was asked to leave

00:07:47.880 a theater in Nova Scotia because she sat in a place where the white theater owner said 1.00

00:07:53.980 was reserved for whites.

00:07:55.200 Now, that's racist.

00:07:56.640 Now, that wasn't a racist law.

00:07:57.980 It was a racist theater owner. 0.99

00:08:00.500 And she faced an obscure tax prosecution over being short one cent in her tax for her theater ticket.

00:08:08.100 She fought it.

00:08:09.280 Her lawyer screwed up.

00:08:10.340 The judge said so himself.

00:08:11.620 The judge said she was wronged.

00:08:14.260 The judge was on her side.

00:08:15.600 So that's the story.

00:08:19.060 She left Canada and just moved to the States. 0.86

00:08:22.700 So she fought this one foolish theater thing and then got on with her life. 0.82

00:08:26.660 I sympathize with her. 0.89

00:08:27.480 I agree with her.

00:08:28.460 I agree with the judge.

00:08:30.300 I'm not sure if she's a great champion of freedom on par with our founding prime minister.

00:08:35.660 But she's necessary for the narrative that paints Canada's past as deeply racist.

00:08:41.520 I'm sorry, it just wasn't.

00:08:43.320 If that movie theater incident was your worst case of racist atrocities,

00:08:49.860 worthy of being put on the $10 bill,

00:08:52.200 you've had a pretty easy go of it.

00:08:56.020 And to this day, the same thing.

00:08:57.680 There just really isn't any high office in Canada that is closed in any way to minorities.

00:09:02.220 We've had visible minority premiers.

00:09:03.660 I think of Ujjal de Sange.

00:09:05.340 We've had judges, leaders of industry, obviously sports heroes, entertainment heroes.

00:09:10.760 Think of rapper Drake and Toronto's basketball team, the Raptors.

00:09:14.880 My main thoughts about them are they're sort of American.

00:09:19.780 It's not about how black they are.

00:09:21.400 It's about how American they are.

00:09:22.600 They were completely embraced as Canadian heroes, though.

00:09:25.740 To say that we have some sort of inherent racism in Canada just isn't true.

00:09:29.680 Now, Black Lives Matter set up a branch plant in Canada, sort of a colony.

00:09:36.460 But it was so fake.

00:09:37.600 None of the grievances fit.

00:09:39.040 It didn't ring true.

00:09:40.460 They were importing U.S. themes and stories and grievances to here.

00:09:44.360 It made no sense.

00:09:45.960 Totally reminded me of Occupy Wall Street,

00:09:48.140 another fake grassroots protest that was sent up from America.

00:09:52.200 I mean, I get it.

00:09:52.980 In America, their banks failed a dozen years ago

00:09:55.700 and were bailed out by the government a dozen years ago.

00:09:58.120 None of our Canadian banks failed.

00:10:00.160 None were bailed out.

00:10:01.540 So the whole complaint didn't work.

00:10:04.840 Same with Black Lives Matter. 0.65

00:10:07.180 We just didn't have the things they were mad about.

00:10:11.140 But, of course, there's a market for grievances,

00:10:14.260 the same way Trudeau put Viola Desmond on the $10 bill,

00:10:17.320 the same way we have an official affirmative action law in Canada

00:10:20.380 called the Employment Equity Act,

00:10:21.740 the same way Trudeau has racial quotas in his cabinet.

00:10:25.060 We go through those motions because Trudeau

00:10:27.260 and a lot of the establishment buys into the Marxism of racial grievance politics.

00:10:31.780 He takes the so-called solutions to problems we never had

00:10:36.420 or at least didn't have in any intolerable way.

00:10:39.500 There were black cowboys in Alberta a century ago.

00:10:42.840 It was no big deal.

00:10:44.580 It wasn't the way it was in the Confederate States.

00:10:49.520 But like I say, there's a whole industry built up around racial hucksters 1.00

00:10:53.900 trying to get us to hate each other.

00:10:55.700 It's a copycat thing.

00:10:56.740 If America has this whole grievance industry, why shouldn't Canada?

00:11:00.320 Even if we didn't have the same problems.

00:11:02.340 And so look at this.

00:11:04.460 A new survey shows that racism isn't really a big deal in Canada,

00:11:08.060 but the racism industry is furious.

00:11:10.080 Let me read the headline.

00:11:11.100 Racism not a big problem?

00:11:12.400 Activist says survey shows Canadians in denial.

00:11:16.720 I'm not wrong.

00:11:18.100 It's the children.

00:11:19.540 Let me quote the story.

00:11:20.760 A new national survey shows that Canadians are in denial about racism,

00:11:24.500 says one Toronto activist.

00:11:26.360 The Environics Institute for Survey Research

00:11:28.340 and the Canadian Race Relations Foundation

00:11:30.320 released the Race Relations in Canada 2019 survey on Tuesday

00:11:33.860 outlining Canadian views on racial discrimination.

00:11:36.060 But do you see how the story was written?

00:11:38.980 Before they even tell you what the survey says,

00:11:41.960 an actual statistically sound survey,

00:11:45.060 they tell you that it's all wrong

00:11:46.480 because a Toronto activist said we're all in denial.

00:11:49.120 What?

00:11:49.820 Let me read some more.

00:11:51.680 Canadians were optimistic reporting on other aspects,

00:11:55.420 race and discrimination.

00:11:57.840 Eight in ten Canadians said race relations in their own communities

00:12:00.680 are generally good with the largest majority of positive views

00:12:03.620 held by white respondents, 84%,

00:12:05.800 and the smallest majority among indigenous respondents, 69%.

00:12:09.680 So Canadians are optimistic, eh?

00:12:12.300 They think race relations are good. 0.63

00:12:13.780 Even Aboriginal Canadians, 69%, think race relations are good. 1.00

00:12:19.080 Oh, but they're all wrong, you see,

00:12:20.860 because some activist says so,

00:12:22.980 and he's got to earn a living, people,

00:12:24.560 so let's be mad at each other.

00:12:26.980 The survey also found that Canadians

00:12:29.260 were more likely to view racial discrimination

00:12:31.220 as the attitudes and actions of individuals,

00:12:34.100 not a systemic issue embedded in Canadian institutions.

00:12:37.040 Two-thirds of respondents said people from all races

00:12:39.040 have the same opportunities to succeed in life.

00:12:41.720 That is a fantasy,

00:12:43.300 said Toronto activist and writer Desmond Cole

00:12:45.140 in an interview on CTV News Channel.

00:12:47.200 Unsurprisingly, a lot of Canadians are in denial

00:12:49.420 that racism is a systemic thing.

00:12:52.020 Here, listen to him.

00:12:53.520 And here's the thing, Todd.

00:12:55.080 We can ask Canadians how they feel about this all they want to.

00:12:57.820 The only people whose opinions on this subject matter

00:13:01.460 are the people who are experiencing racism.

00:13:04.040 Black, Indigenous, and other people of color.

00:13:07.040 Black and Indigenous people in particular,

00:13:09.880 because this study shows that we're experiencing

00:13:11.800 the most racism, duh.

00:13:13.480 Got it.

00:13:13.940 So millions of Canadians who think things are pretty good.

00:13:16.840 And then maybe there's a few bad apples out there,

00:13:18.980 or maybe there's just some cranky people.

00:13:21.300 Well, those people are wrong.

00:13:22.740 There's just this one guy

00:13:24.040 who it just so happens his income,

00:13:26.320 his whole celebrity depends on

00:13:27.560 calling his own country racist, 0.99

00:13:29.480 his own neighbors racist and white supremacist. 1.00

00:13:31.900 So believe this guy. 0.99

00:13:32.640 Sorry, buddy.

00:13:33.820 If Canada were white supremacist, 0.98

00:13:36.580 you probably wouldn't be on CTV 0.92

00:13:38.720 calling us white supremacist.

00:13:40.120 It's a paradox that way.

00:13:42.860 Desmond Cole, professional race baiter.

00:13:44.960 He's just wrong.

00:13:46.180 At least that's what the science says.

00:13:47.700 And by science, I mean a survey,

00:13:49.360 if that can be called science.

00:13:51.160 Here, take a look at the actual study here.

00:13:54.620 Let me show you the survey they're talking about.

00:13:56.100 Look at the chart on page nine.

00:13:58.900 Not only do most Canadians think race relations are good, 0.98

00:14:01.960 we think it's getting better.

00:14:03.280 34% say it's improved.

00:14:05.380 41% say it's staying the same.

00:14:07.480 True, 18% say things are worse.

00:14:09.980 But again, those are numbers that show a success.

00:14:14.260 Things are the same or getting better.

00:14:15.540 That's not what white supremacy looks like.

00:14:17.460 On page 10, almost everyone says our race relations

00:14:21.240 are better here than in the U.S.

00:14:23.160 That's probably true.

00:14:24.620 But that's a problem for Desmond Cole

00:14:27.020 and all the other hucksters.

00:14:28.640 How are they going to hustle

00:14:29.460 if we're all fine without them to pour salt in our wounds?

00:14:33.440 Maybe he should go down to the States.

00:14:34.860 They're probably looking for a grievance monger like him.

00:14:38.160 Look at the chart on page 12.

00:14:40.600 Overwhelmingly, people say we all get along.

00:14:43.400 We can all get ahead.

00:14:45.560 Just one more chart.

00:14:46.220 No wonder they didn't mention this on the CTV story.

00:14:50.340 Page 13.

00:14:52.820 Will all racialized people in Canada 0.99

00:14:55.520 be treated with respect in your lifetime?

00:14:58.480 Now, racialized is a weird way of saying visible minorities.

00:15:01.340 And you can see that they've broken down the answers by race.

00:15:03.820 Now, being treated with respect is such a subjective question.

00:15:07.340 It's not, will you be treated equally before the law?

00:15:10.420 We already have that.

00:15:11.500 It's not, will you be able to send your kids

00:15:14.180 to any university, get any job, be a success?

00:15:16.920 We already have all of that.

00:15:18.980 So the question is, will you be treated with respect?

00:15:21.140 That's a feelings question.

00:15:23.780 All right, fine.

00:15:24.480 Let's ask a feelings question.

00:15:25.900 58% of whites say yes.

00:15:27.520 We'll all be treated with respect.

00:15:29.660 And look at the next line.

00:15:30.500 63% of Chinese people think so. 0.96

00:15:33.440 They think Canada is less racist than guilty white liberals. 0.93

00:15:37.760 Look at the next line. 0.82

00:15:39.240 69% of South Asian people.

00:15:41.480 That means people from India or Pakistan.

00:15:44.560 They think we'll all be treated with respect.

00:15:46.840 They love it here.

00:15:48.120 And even look, 63% of Aboriginal people say so.

00:15:51.100 Which is quite something since I would say,

00:15:52.800 no, they are treated disrespectfully by the Indian Act.

00:15:55.920 They don't care.

00:15:56.440 And even the black community that Desmond Cole claims to speak for,

00:16:00.820 50% of them say, yeah, respect.

00:16:03.340 Almost identical to what white people say. 0.98

00:16:05.500 I think white people are the most guilty about this country. 0.99

00:16:08.220 Everyone else pretty much loves it. 0.99

00:16:11.520 One more chart.

00:16:12.120 Page 14.

00:16:13.260 Asks to visible minorities only.

00:16:15.660 Will your kids face more or less racism than you?

00:16:20.480 And they all say the same or less.

00:16:24.960 All of them.

00:16:25.540 No one in real life thinks we're racist. 0.96

00:16:28.220 Except this grouchy ingrate on CTV calling us all white supremacists. 0.71

00:16:33.840 So who's this guy?

00:16:36.240 Well, here's one of his official biographies.

00:16:39.780 His work with Black Lives Matter movement,

00:16:41.780 and more recently his successful effort to remove the Toronto police presidents

00:16:45.280 from Toronto schools,

00:16:46.860 have pushed his voice to the forefront.

00:16:49.420 Hang on, that's what you're doing in life to make the world a better place?

00:16:52.800 You're working to get police out of schools?

00:16:56.840 How is that pro-anything?

00:16:58.320 How is that pro-black? 0.99

00:16:59.640 Isn't Toronto's police chief himself black? 0.56

00:17:02.720 Isn't the force very multiracial? 0.99

00:17:04.480 Isn't this really about...

00:17:05.180 Is this really about him being pro-black?

00:17:09.180 Or is this really about him being anti-police?

00:17:11.560 Because I would think getting kids friendly and comfortable with police is a good thing.

00:17:17.160 Well, let me let him describe himself.

00:17:21.580 Here are some of his tweets from his own Twitter feed.

00:17:24.620 I'm going to show you what he's like when he's not watching his P's and Q's on CTV.

00:17:29.460 Here's his tweets unredacted.

00:17:30.720 I'm not going to edit them, but I'm not going to speak them all out loud.

00:17:33.800 Here's a simple one.

00:17:35.740 F the police.

00:17:37.120 Oh, got it.

00:17:39.820 Here's another one.

00:17:40.480 Also, F mainstream Canadian media outlets for constantly forcing independent journalists

00:17:45.300 and ordinary folks to do what you won't.

00:17:47.340 You are literally killing us with your complicity in silence.

00:17:50.900 What?

00:17:51.720 The man who burned those flags is a hero and must be protected at all costs.

00:17:56.280 Sorry, here's the next one.

00:17:57.800 Think body cameras are the answer? 0.86

00:18:00.500 You want to watch Africans die then adjudicate your humanity from your couch after the fact? 1.00

00:18:06.460 F that. 0.99

00:18:07.060 Well, first of all, if they're here, we don't call them Africans anymore.

00:18:10.920 I mean, I guess you could call them African-Canadian, but they're Canadians, mate.

00:18:14.460 You've got to stop separating people by race.

00:18:17.500 And body cams, they make everyone on their best behavior.

00:18:21.600 And yeah, if a cop did kill someone, I want proof of it.

00:18:26.120 I also want proof that any complaint isn't just from some grievance huckster like you.

00:18:32.220 I think body cams are good for both police and suspects.

00:18:35.300 Let me read some more.

00:18:38.060 God, keep these hands glorious and free.

00:18:41.240 F the police and school security. 0.91

00:18:43.600 Black people also pay tuition fees. 0.82

00:18:45.020 So he's writing a beautiful parody of our anthem with F the police in it. 0.91

00:18:48.900 What a classy guy.

00:18:50.880 Never allow yourself to be silenced. 0.99

00:18:52.880 Unless you're contradicting me, in which case shut the F up. 0.99

00:18:56.440 Ah, this guy's a real Canadian, isn't he? 0.99

00:18:58.380 I support sleeping with conservatives because someone has to F some sense into him.

00:19:04.620 Yeah, this guy's great.

00:19:07.340 Actually, earlier I said that Canada just isn't a hateful, racist place.

00:19:12.500 You know, reading all these tweets from Desmond Cole, maybe I'm wrong.

00:19:16.040 I think we've discovered a fountain of hatred.

00:19:18.960 It's so weirdly the guy who's calling all the rest of us bigots.

00:19:24.860 But he sounds like he's the biggest hater around.

00:19:30.380 Stay with us for more.

00:19:31.420 Welcome back.

00:19:44.320 Well, I can't remember which U.S. congressman it was,

00:19:48.020 but he tweeted a link to the most surprising and interesting essay I've read all year.

00:19:55.280 It was basically, why would anyone want an AR-15?

00:20:02.160 The way it was phrased was, what the hell do you need an AR-15 for anyways?

00:20:07.340 It's a question put to firearms rights enthusiasts or preppers,

00:20:13.380 people who say they're preparing for some event.

00:20:16.280 And it seems like a normal liberal question to say, come on, what do you really need that for?

00:20:20.460 But as I started to read this essay, I felt like the scales were falling from my eyes

00:20:27.440 because it was written not by someone who I think is particularly known for his politics

00:20:33.640 or his journalism or even his firearms rights, but rather for statistics.

00:20:40.460 And in particular, stormwater hydrology and the mathematics of unlikely events.

00:20:47.680 Let me give you one second of what I mean before I introduce our guest today.

00:20:52.400 How likely is it that on any given year, if you're living near a floodplain,

00:20:58.240 that you will be the victim of a hundred-year flood?

00:21:02.240 Well, obviously, that means one in a hundred years.

00:21:05.580 But what if you live there for five years, for 10 years, for 30 years,

00:21:09.900 over the course of the life of your mortgage?

00:21:11.760 All of a sudden, the likelihood that your house might be destroyed by a once-a-century flood

00:21:20.040 becomes very large to the point where you need insurance to get a mortgage, flood insurance.

00:21:26.060 And imagine using that same sort of thinking, not about a natural flood,

00:21:31.480 but a political storm, like a revolution.

00:21:35.420 And even America, the most stable, strong democracy in the world,

00:21:40.860 well, it had a revolution in 1776, and it had a near revolution in the Civil War.

00:21:47.480 Well, that's two in just a couple hundred years.

00:21:51.080 Joining us now to talk more about where this argument goes, this thought experiment,

00:21:55.900 is B.J. Campbell, the author of this fascinating piece that I suddenly found myself reading.

00:22:01.540 You can read his work itself on freakoutery.com,

00:22:06.980 and we'll have his contact information on the screen.

00:22:08.900 Well, B.J., thank you so much for taking the time to join us via Skype.

00:22:12.920 I just started reading.

00:22:14.900 You say you're not a professional writer, but I couldn't stop once I started.

00:22:19.560 Tell us a little bit about this article.

00:22:22.060 I know you wrote it a while back, but it only came to my attention after a congressman tweeted it.

00:22:28.080 Yeah, it was Thomas Massey tweeted it, actually.

00:22:30.200 And I got a neat little traffic spike out of it.

00:22:32.860 But the article really went big, I think, probably right after it was written.

00:22:36.220 It was featured on the front page of Medium, and they blasted it out on Twitter and stuff like that,

00:22:41.820 you know, I think spring of last year, 2018.

00:22:44.880 Well, forgive me for catching up.

00:22:46.860 I'm a little bit behind, but you know what?

00:22:48.860 It's timeless.

00:22:50.280 It's timeless.

00:22:52.420 Tell me how you started thinking about these cataclysmic or catastrophic events.

00:22:57.400 Is that what you do for a living?

00:22:59.120 I'm a stormwater hydrologist.

00:23:00.800 And so what stormwater hydrologists do, it's, I'm a civil engineer, and what we use stormwater

00:23:06.640 hydrology for is to try and determine, you know, how big the size of pipe, how wide a

00:23:11.600 bridge has to be, how to make sure our buildings are outside of floodplains, and all that sort

00:23:15.240 of thing as it relates to civil engineering infrastructure.

00:23:18.180 And so this kind of thinking is, you know, it's baked into our field, and the terminology

00:23:21.940 is baked into our field.

00:23:23.000 And what I did in the article was I went through what we call a historical frequency analysis,

00:23:27.080 which is a really straightforward mathematical way to try and predict, you know, the likelihood

00:23:32.800 over time of very unlikely events.

00:23:36.360 And, you know, which is a simpler version of what risk analysis professionals do.

00:23:41.340 And we can talk about that a little bit later because, I mean, when they do the kind of thing,

00:23:44.680 they end up with more alarming answers than what I get.

00:23:47.660 But I can step you through the mathematical analysis at the beginning, if you like.

00:23:51.860 I mean, it's really pretty simple.

00:23:53.140 It's, at most, high school algebra.

00:23:54.780 It's all you really need to follow it, you know.

00:23:56.120 Yeah, well, I mean, I'm not a math expert, but the way you laid it out, even I could follow

00:24:00.380 it.

00:24:00.520 Why don't you take us through it a little bit?

00:24:03.160 I mean, if I may, you started saying, well, why would these tech billionaires be buying

00:24:10.100 these bunkers, these survivalist bunkers?

00:24:13.020 Does it make any sense?

00:24:14.460 And you showed mathematically, yes, it did.

00:24:17.920 And you started to, I thought that was an interesting place to start.

00:24:21.200 Why would a billionaire spend 50 million on some, like, zombie apocalypse place for real?

00:24:26.900 Not just joke about it, but I actually do.

00:24:29.320 Why don't you start to take us through it?

00:24:31.560 And I'll do my best not to interrupt.

00:24:32.900 I'm just so excited by the subject.

00:24:34.900 It is such a great piece.

00:24:36.540 Why don't you take us through your reasoning?

00:24:38.400 You have to determine a flood, right, that you're concerned about.

00:24:40.860 And in the United States, for the National Flood Insurance Program, we're concerned with

00:24:44.600 the 100-year flood.

00:24:45.760 And there's a push in the field now to stop calling it that, because it makes people think

00:24:50.440 that it's only ever going to happen every 100 years.

00:24:52.420 So if you had one last year, you're not going to have one this year, which is the gambler's

00:24:55.320 fallacy, right?

00:24:56.040 So they start talking about it now as the flood that's likely to happen, you know, at

00:25:01.720 a 1%, you know, recurrence interval.

00:25:04.320 So the chance of this is, you know, 1% per year, 0.01.

00:25:09.120 But what you do to try and figure out, say, the chance of a flood over a 30-year mortgage,

00:25:14.640 you don't just add that up 30 times, because it wouldn't be honest.

00:25:17.780 What you have to do is you have to backfigure it.

00:25:19.740 What you do is you say, all right, well, there's a 99% chance of no flood.

00:25:25.320 And what you're looking for is that 99% chance of no flood to happen 30 times in a row, right?

00:25:32.360 So the way you would calculate that is to say 0.99 times 0.99 times 0.99, et cetera, 30 times.

00:25:39.420 So it's 0.99 to the 30th power, right?

00:25:42.020 And then that would give you a chance of maybe 74% of no flood, which means you have a 26%

00:25:48.260 chance of at least one flood, right?

00:25:51.540 Make sense?

00:25:52.120 Over the course of your 30-year mortgage, that's a big deal.

00:25:54.740 And nobody sells your house, right?

00:25:57.540 So, or they require you to pay cash or you have to get insurance or such.

00:26:03.540 Well, we can do the same thing with violent revolutions.

00:26:07.400 So let me pull up the figures here just to be clear.

00:26:10.180 So if we say the average establishment of colonies on the United States is 1678, and I wrote the

00:26:19.880 article last year.

00:26:20.680 So it's 340 years since that, right?

00:26:22.740 And we've had two, as you mentioned earlier, we've had two qualifying events of attempts

00:26:27.320 at nationwide violent revolution, the Revolutionary War and the Civil War.

00:26:32.220 That's two data points inside, you know, 340 years, which is a 0.00588%, or not percent.

00:26:41.320 That's the chance, you know, like a little over half a percent chance per year of this

00:26:46.440 happening.

00:26:46.740 So, and then if you say, well, what's our, we're not worried about whether there's going

00:26:50.440 to be a Civil War during our mortgage, we're worried about it happening in our lifetime,

00:26:55.420 where we all live to be about 78 years old and do the same kind of math.

00:26:59.300 And the result that you get is a 37% chance that there's a violent revolution across any

00:27:05.380 of our given lifespans.

00:27:07.480 That's large.

00:27:08.100 That's bigger than, you know, it's, it's bigger than the chance that, you know, your

00:27:12.640 home gets flooded out.

00:27:14.060 So when we talk about nobody wants to buy a house in a floodplain, but nobody's thinking

00:27:18.800 about the fact that the chance of violent revolution during your lifetime is larger than

00:27:23.000 that.

00:27:23.440 Yeah, that's incredible.

00:27:24.440 I mean, I never thought of it that way, but it is true. 0.89

00:27:27.160 I mean, people think, well, those are all settled.

00:27:29.500 It could never happen again.

00:27:30.600 But you, you have another data point in your essay.

00:27:33.880 You said in 2010, 8.5 million tourists visited Syria.

00:27:42.060 I wouldn't have thought it, but I, but I suppose it was stable and people went there for historical

00:27:47.020 things.

00:27:47.760 And then, you know, Anthony Bourdain did a, you know, he did a, one of his shows there

00:27:53.280 in Syria, made food.

00:27:54.800 And then it's become this disastrous revolutionary place.

00:27:58.440 And, and I mean, it's sort of obvious when you do it mathematically, but you look around

00:28:03.600 the world and you say as a modest calculation, maybe 3% of the world's countries are in some

00:28:10.320 form of violent revolt at any given time.

00:28:13.280 Like Africa alone, what's the odds of a particular country having a violent revolution in your

00:28:20.260 lifetime?

00:28:20.560 I'd say it's getting close to a hundred percent.

00:28:23.580 I mean, I don't, uh, I didn't do the numbers for Africa.

00:28:26.200 It's hard to even start to know where to begin, where to do the numbers for Africa.

00:28:30.140 Cause it's, it's, you know, it's a tough place.

00:28:33.280 Um, but like, and I did this, you know, I wrote this article before, um, Chile and Hong Kong.

00:28:39.240 Those might've been data points that would have been thrown into the articles.

00:28:42.220 Well, you know, this kind of thing, it happens.

00:28:44.500 And the level to which it happens in the amount of, you know, I guess overall violence is,

00:28:49.360 you can kind of vary.

00:28:50.300 And so you have to come up with a, you know, whatever your cutoff is, but you know, there's

00:28:54.700 certainly a lot of places going on right now where this is happening and it's happened

00:28:57.700 before and it's going to happen again and you can't, it, no honest person would say

00:29:03.260 that the United States is going to last forever and until the end of time.

00:29:07.340 Right.

00:29:08.000 So then the question becomes, well, how long and how do you estimate that?

00:29:13.540 And now I mentioned earlier, this is a historical frequency analysis and, uh, part of going

00:29:19.720 into a historical frequency analysis, you assume kind of the independence of events.

00:29:23.380 I'm dealing with the weather, right?

00:29:24.780 And the weather you presume isn't changing that much.

00:29:27.420 Now we could have the global warming argument, but let's set that aside and just say the

00:29:31.340 weather doesn't change that much.

00:29:32.340 This is how the statistics rolls.

00:29:33.940 And, um, what a risk analysis professional would do when you're doing this kind of analysis

00:29:39.180 is they would look at indicators.

00:29:41.180 They wouldn't look at, you know, historical, and they might use it as a baseline.

00:29:45.820 But, um, but, and that's something that I haven't done, but there was a great article

00:29:49.320 in the New Yorker middle of last year around the same time when some of the discussion about,

00:29:54.280 you know, second civil war was heating up in the media.

00:29:58.080 And that, uh, author went and interviewed a bunch of risk analysis professionals, like

00:30:03.320 folks that were ex-military and, um, or just in the general risk analysis field.

00:30:08.460 And they, the consensus among them was that you had a 35% chance of it coming up in the

00:30:14.660 next 15 years.

00:30:16.680 I mean, and that's a lot larger.

00:30:18.660 And it sounds crazy until it happens.

00:30:20.640 You know, I, when I was, when ISIS, I mean, we just talked about Syria going from a stable, 0.91

00:30:27.540 it was authoritarian regime, no doubt.

00:30:29.300 It wasn't, uh, a place that many of us would have chosen to, to make our home.

00:30:34.280 But in 2010, Syria was stable.

00:30:38.240 You could say it was very stable.

00:30:40.880 But if you look around those places, I mean, one of the ancient cities conquered by ISIS was

00:30:45.680 Palmyra.

00:30:48.120 That used to be this amazing, uh, beautiful architectural, cultural city that's now in

00:30:56.660 ruins.

00:30:57.000 Think of Istanbul.

00:30:58.180 That used to be called Constantinople, the largest, richest, most Christian city in the

00:31:03.780 world.

00:31:04.080 Now it's Istanbul.

00:31:06.120 The Hagia Sophia is turned into a, was turned into a mosque. 0.99

00:31:09.740 I guess my point is everything seems absolutely permanent until the moment it's not.

00:31:16.100 And, and I think that, I, I think that there's a whole bunch of psychological reasons why we

00:31:23.540 want to dismiss early warnings about trouble for our own sanity, for, because of our own

00:31:31.700 short life's experience.

00:31:33.800 Uh, I mean, I don't want to seem paranoid, but, um, I don't think anyone saw it coming in

00:31:39.900 most, uh, in most upheavals.

00:31:42.720 I don't know.

00:31:43.220 I mean, I suppose you could say you could see the roots of it, but I think, I think there's

00:31:47.520 a human desire to say, oh, it's not going to happen to me.

00:31:49.940 That just happens to other people.

00:31:51.240 What do you think?

00:31:52.600 Well, I mean, let's just look at Syria for a second.

00:31:55.540 If the Syrians had known that, you know, 10 years later, there was going to be 10 million

00:31:59.640 Syrians displaced into Europe and another half million Syrians dead in the ground out

00:32:04.000 of what was going on, they would have left sooner, right?

00:32:07.500 They would have left before the immigration crisis started.

00:32:10.000 They would have left before all that kind of stuff.

00:32:11.340 They have found someplace else to live if they'd known that that was coming.

00:32:14.740 And people generally don't.

00:32:16.600 I mean, you talk about the psychology of this and I think that, you know, there are

00:32:19.940 certain, you know, personality traits tend to vary, you know, across all people.

00:32:24.500 And if you have a natural inclination to trust authority, then you're going to dismiss this

00:32:29.280 kind of analysis.

00:32:30.180 And if you have a natural, uh, inclination to, or sorry, to trust authority, you're going

00:32:35.080 to dismiss it.

00:32:35.880 If you have a natural inclination to distrust authority, you're going to be looking at this

00:32:38.960 and going, God, I need to buy another box of ammo.

00:32:40.740 So, you know, and, and, and so that's, and that's kind of the, to tie this back into the

00:32:46.180 AR-15 thing.

00:32:47.040 I mean, you know, when these sorts of things happen, you know, what are you going to do?

00:32:50.260 You're going to, either you're screwed and you're in a refugee caravan or you're going 1.00

00:32:55.840 to try and hunker down and hopefully you have enough food.

00:32:59.020 And if you have, you know, and if you do have enough food and your neighbor doesn't have

00:33:02.240 enough food, but he has a gun and you don't, then guess what?

00:33:05.120 You don't have enough food anymore.

00:33:06.560 Yeah.

00:33:07.300 Right.

00:33:08.260 And so that's, that's the thinking, that's the mindset.

00:33:11.180 And, um, and I, in, from a game theory perspective, the thinking makes sense.

00:33:15.400 You know, and it doesn't even have to be a total permanent meltdown.

00:33:19.220 I remember I was, we were both much younger, but when the Rodney King riots, uh, raged in

00:33:27.160 Los Angeles, there was a breakdown in order, not on the scale of a total civilizational collapse

00:33:33.400 or civil war, but certainly for a number of blocks, it was like a civil war.

00:33:38.760 And you saw a phenomenon of Korean shopkeepers who could no longer rely on the police.

00:33:48.340 So they stood guard on their own shops, on rooftops with their own firearms to, to shoot

00:33:56.240 or scare off looters who were targeting them.

00:34:00.140 And it was that moment of anarchy.

00:34:02.240 And if they didn't have their AR-15, they would have been certainly looted and maybe

00:34:07.600 physically hurt too.

00:34:09.280 So, I mean, these sound like impossible things until the moment they're out.

00:34:15.180 I mean, how, especially these days when we're all plugged in, if the power were to go out

00:34:20.000 for two days and our computers were down and our cell phone batteries were to die, I don't

00:34:24.680 even know how many of us could, could do basic tasks without, without our internet or cell

00:34:29.680 phones, just like a three day power outage.

00:34:32.420 I think that would, that would cause looting and anarchy in some parts of the streets, uh,

00:34:37.760 in some places, I think, don't you?

00:34:39.940 Well, you, we bring up the rooftop Koreans. 1.00

00:34:42.160 Those guys are basically a meme in the gun community.

00:34:44.200 Everybody thinks they're heroes, which is, is cool.

00:34:46.780 It's kind of neat.

00:34:47.420 And, you know, if you look at all the buildings that got burned down, their buildings didn't burn

00:34:50.560 down, right?

00:34:51.360 You know, um, on the terms of, you know, two days without power.

00:34:54.920 I mean, I know you're in Canada, so, you know, you don't experience this at all, but in the

00:34:58.480 South, when we get a big snowstorm, we lose power for two or three days because we don't

00:35:02.560 have the infrastructure and we have a bunch of pine trees that fall and things like that.

00:35:06.160 So it kind of depends on what your cultural expectation is, um, and whether or not you're

00:35:09.800 prepared.

00:35:10.120 So what happens when we're going to have a snowstorm down here, you know, we all run to the grocery

00:35:14.080 store and we buy everything we need for the next three or four days and we get ready

00:35:16.720 to have a holiday, right?

00:35:18.400 You know, but, you know, we've got a little bit of a warning cause you can see it on the

00:35:22.440 weather map and folks in Chile didn't have that warning.

00:35:25.760 You know, I've been talking to a, you know, woman I knew a couple of decades ago on WhatsApp

00:35:30.240 recently and she's absolutely stuck in the middle of Chile.

00:35:33.620 She had a, um, you know, a baby in Santiago that was in the hospital that had complications

00:35:38.640 and she couldn't get to the hospital to be able to, and there's, you know, she and,

00:35:41.880 you know, uh, her man are trying to run flaming barricades to get to the hospital. 0.80

00:35:47.440 Yeah.

00:35:48.080 That thing happened in the span of a week and it happened because of a, a fair hike

00:35:52.860 in the subway system.

00:35:53.980 Yeah.

00:35:54.540 Yeah.

00:35:54.820 Of a few pennies.

00:35:56.160 You know, um, you end your essay and I really recommend it once again, you can find it, um,

00:36:01.220 uh, the, the essay itself is on the website meet medium.

00:36:06.120 Um, um, or you could go to the website, uh, freak out hurry.com again, we'll put that on

00:36:12.320 the screen, but you end with a fun, uh, conversation that maybe it's easier for us to, uh, brainstorm

00:36:18.580 these things if we use a science fiction analogy, because that way we were not so nervous.

00:36:24.100 We're not engaging our personal prejudices because we're saying, okay, let's just be escapist

00:36:32.420 for a moment.

00:36:32.860 So you, you use the, uh, the fun example of the zombie apocalypse.

00:36:38.760 And I think if I'm guessing right, you chose that so that people would engage in the thought

00:36:45.020 experiment, which they might be reluctant to do.

00:36:47.520 If you said, well, could there be another American civil war?

00:36:50.200 Could there be another American revolution?

00:36:52.140 And people would say, no, never.

00:36:53.620 I don't even want to talk about it.

00:36:54.840 It's outrageous.

00:36:55.700 Okay, fine.

00:36:56.260 Yeah, you nailed that.

00:36:57.400 Yeah, you nailed that.

00:36:58.180 I mean, the reason why you pick zombies to have this conversation is because, you know,

00:37:01.920 if there were a zombie apocalypse, we'd all be part of the same tribe.

00:37:05.640 And so you can strip the people's inherent tribalism out of the discussion before they

00:37:10.000 even start having it.

00:37:10.960 So you don't have to think about sort of, you know, red team, blue team garbage, you 0.69

00:37:14.660 know, think about zombies and prepare for that is my thought.

00:37:17.760 And no one's going to say, no, I won't because I, I really trust zombies or I like, like,

00:37:22.160 so you're removing the real life psychological barriers and, and it's a fun, it's fun.

00:37:28.260 And you say, well, if, if there were a zombie apocalypse, what would you want?

00:37:32.380 And again, this is just for fun, but I think it's, it really helps a thought experiment.

00:37:36.720 You say, well, you'd want food stockpiles.

00:37:39.040 You'd want access to clean or cleanable water, shelter that exists away from the threat.

00:37:45.860 You use zombies or it could be other citizens in a real life example, subsistence agriculture,

00:37:50.700 medicinal supplies, a way to defend items one through five in modern terms.

00:37:57.000 That means firearms, rifles in particular, and then maybe even a, a, an escape method.

00:38:03.380 And then you have another point that's for the ethical prepper.

00:38:07.600 Someone could simply be an unethical prepper, have a gun and maraud about others.

00:38:13.080 So all these, this, this experiment with zombies, I hate to say it, but it could apply to places

00:38:19.360 where the zombies are human.

00:38:21.260 Like if you were in Northern Iraq these last five years, like if you were in Santiago. 0.85

00:38:28.320 Yeah.

00:38:29.420 Yeah.

00:38:30.360 Santiago is interesting.

00:38:31.540 Again, I don't want to say that they're to that level because I've been speaking to

00:38:34.580 folks that are on the ground down there.

00:38:36.200 And, um, it seems like it, it seems to me like it might be resolving itself politically

00:38:40.740 finally.

00:38:41.320 Um, but a lot of folks that had, you know, they're in their gated communities that were

00:38:45.860 lubing up their guns, you know, cause they don't have like a universal gun control.

00:38:49.480 They have fewer guns than we do, but they, it's not like their guns don't exist down there.

00:38:53.880 And, um, and they're thankfully seeing the backside of it, you know, but if that were to

00:38:59.660 rage on for four months or six months or something like that, you could barely get into the grocery

00:39:03.980 store down there for a long period of time.

00:39:05.900 All the banks are closed.

00:39:07.180 What do you need?

00:39:07.680 How are you going to do barter?

00:39:09.180 You know, where are you going to get the money?

00:39:10.960 What are you going to trade?

00:39:12.080 Yeah.

00:39:12.280 That kind of thing.

00:39:13.160 Well, I mean, I've been fascinated by Hong Kong.

00:39:15.660 We sent a reporter there.

00:39:17.260 Uh, we've done that twice now.

00:39:19.500 And there, there were a group of democracy protesters hold up in university called Polly

00:39:25.820 Yu and they have no firearms in Hong Kong.

00:39:29.980 They were literally fashioning bows and arrows, um, which were dramatic.

00:39:36.000 And, and I, I suppose, uh, good for the narrative or the political aesthetics of it, but that

00:39:43.440 would be no help, uh, or very little help against a fully armed people's liberation army

00:39:48.640 rolling in with tanks like they did in Tiananmen square.

00:39:51.600 I mean, I think it's very beautiful watching those Hong Kong, uh, people express their love

00:39:58.600 for freedom, but, um, without some way to back it up, I, you know, the, the hundred year

00:40:05.100 flood, they've had, I don't know, a couple of hundred years of stability in Hong Kong.

00:40:09.140 I don't know if I would say they've got a hundred years of stability left.

00:40:13.720 I'd, I'd say it's probably measured in terms of one to five years.

00:40:18.660 I mean, I, and who knows how it's going to resolve, but I, I think that's a very unstable

00:40:22.720 situation.

00:40:23.780 I read a, uh, one quote from one of the bow and arrow guys in Hong Kong.

00:40:28.300 And he said something, this is, I'm paraphrasing and I'm sure I'm not going to get it exactly

00:40:32.720 right. 0.52

00:40:33.540 He said, if I'm going to die anyway, I might as well die with a bow and arrow in my hand.

00:40:38.920 And, and that really spoke to me.

00:40:40.420 I was like, Whoa, you know, okay.

00:40:42.800 Um, in terms of like how, how long Hong Kong is going to be stable.

00:40:46.900 Um, I mean, if I, if it were me and I were living in Hong Kong, I would leave, I'd leave

00:40:52.120 right now.

00:40:52.780 And if I could, they can't get out of the country right now, but hopefully the thing resolves

00:40:56.660 enough to where people can bail if necessary.

00:40:59.540 And, uh, cause I don't see it resolving itself in a way that is going to be sustainable long

00:41:04.920 term, no matter what, because of the narrative that the Chinese government is spinning within

00:41:08.860 their controlled media inside their own country.

00:41:11.080 But I'm not an expert and that's just what I'm reading.

00:41:13.320 And so let me preface that, you know.

00:41:15.860 Well, listen, I really appreciate, uh, the map and I take your point.

00:41:18.980 Listen, I'm not an expert, uh, these things either, but I, I'm an interested amateur.

00:41:23.520 And what I really appreciated about your piece is it, and, and this is what the congressman

00:41:29.300 tweeted.

00:41:29.660 I'll have to dig up the tweet.

00:41:30.680 He said, if you agree that America or Canada or any other man-made, you know, country will

00:41:39.040 not last forever.

00:41:40.240 And again, ask Constantinople if it lasted forever, ask Rome or Palmyra or Jerusalem, if

00:41:47.740 it will stand forever.

00:41:48.780 I mean, the, the kingdom of Israel, if something won't last forever, then when will it end?

00:41:54.760 And what are the, what's the likelihood it'll end in your life?

00:41:57.660 If you start thinking that way, um, it's a hard way to think it's a disillusioning and

00:42:05.680 maybe even a depressing way to think, but maybe it's, maybe it's the, the rational way to think.

00:42:11.400 Last word to you, BJ Campbell.

00:42:13.140 Um, well, I think that first off, let's go ahead and give Thomas Massey the credit

00:42:19.760 on that, that tweet.

00:42:20.760 He was the one that, that tweeted it out.

00:42:22.700 Um, but I think that the, the thing that goes back really mostly to AR-15s and this is,

00:42:28.320 and similar rifles that I go with is that, you know, if you buy one of these things, you

00:42:32.040 don't have to kill anyone with it.

00:42:33.920 You can practice with it.

00:42:35.800 You can not practice with it.

00:42:37.160 You can keep it in your attic locked up with a couple of cans of ammo and never take it out

00:42:41.480 of the attic if you want to.

00:42:43.080 And given that dynamic and people say, why would you want to own one?

00:42:46.900 I just can't think of a reason why you wouldn't want to own one.

00:42:50.220 Um, you know, outside of perhaps if you're suicidal or you should probably, you know,

00:42:56.080 reconsider having firearms in your house, the mathematics backs that up.

00:42:59.380 But, um, outside of that, I can't see a reason not to buy one personally speaking.

00:43:04.980 You know, I, I don't understand the argument against them.

00:43:07.580 Well, it's like in case of emergency break glass, you're not breaking the glass every

00:43:12.280 day.

00:43:12.480 You're waiting for the emergency.

00:43:13.400 It's, it's really, as we started our conversation, um, why wouldn't you get flood insurance if

00:43:19.100 you're on a flood plain, you're not going to use that.

00:43:22.180 You'll, you'll, you know, you're not going to use that insurance every time, but the day

00:43:26.660 you need it is the, is too late to buy it.

00:43:29.800 Yep.

00:43:30.660 Yep.

00:43:31.220 You'd rather have it and not need it than need it than not, and not have it.

00:43:34.080 Yeah.

00:43:34.420 Very interesting.

00:43:35.580 Very sobering.

00:43:36.960 I recommend this thoughtful read to anyone.

00:43:39.840 Uh, even if you don't have a firearm or aren't in the prepper mentality, it's a good

00:43:45.160 way of thinking about the sweep of history and a reminder that things change.

00:43:51.440 BJ Campbell, thanks so much for your time today.

00:43:54.160 Thank you for having me.

00:43:55.080 All right.

00:43:55.840 There you have it.

00:43:56.500 I recommend, uh, that article on medium.

00:43:58.860 You'll see the link on our screen.

00:44:01.060 And I, uh, found it the most fascinating read I've had in months.

00:44:04.440 Stay with us.

00:44:05.220 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:44:14.360 Hey, what did you think of that survey?

00:44:16.040 By the way, the survey is by a, a very lefty grievancy group, the Race Relations Foundation.

00:44:21.780 And the questions were really fuzzy, like, will you feel respected?

00:44:27.940 There's not really a lot of hard, objective things to ask because we know the answers.

00:44:33.420 There is equality before the law.

00:44:35.620 There is no economic barrier to minorities.

00:44:38.340 That's just, that's just a joke.

00:44:39.840 In fact, across North America, the ethnic groups that do the best economically are, for

00:44:46.380 example, East Indian, Indian Canadians, Indian Americans.

00:44:49.880 They actually do better economically than old stock Canadians. 1.00

00:44:55.820 So the questions are very touchy-feely.

00:44:57.740 Will you feel respected?

00:45:01.220 And minorities overwhelmingly say, yes, that is good news.

00:45:06.700 And yet we have a huge industry that depends on grievance and anger.

00:45:11.020 That's a problem, don't you think?

00:45:12.840 All right, that's the show for today.

00:45:14.280 Until next time, on behalf of all of us here, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

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Rebel News Podcast - December 13, 2019

Racism activists outraged by new study showing Canada isn't a racist country

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