Rebel News Podcast - Remembering Vincent and Cirillo： Four years later, Trudeau still won't call their murders “terrorism”

00:00:00.000 Tonight, our nation remembers two Canadian soldiers killed in two separate acts of terror

00:00:05.260 four years ago. But Trudeau used the somber day to remind us all how dangerously,

00:00:11.920 politically correct he really is. Then, are the Liberals funding terror? My guest today says

00:00:18.840 they're doing exactly that, and worse still, they're doing it with your tax dollars.

00:00:23.120 It's October 23rd, 2018. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Ezra Levant Show.

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00:00:38.520 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

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00:00:45.580 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my

00:00:50.240 bloody right to do so.

00:00:51.520 Four years ago this week, two Canadian soldiers died in two separate Islamically-motivated terrorist

00:01:02.780 attacks here on Canadian soil. The first soldier to die was Warrant Officer Patrice Vincent.

00:01:08.920 Now Vincent, he was ready to retire and begin his civilian life. He was walking on the sidewalk

00:01:15.640 in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Quebec, with another soldier, when he was run over in a vehicular

00:01:21.680 terrorist attack committed by a man named Martin Couture-Rouleau.

00:01:26.160 Now, according to information gathered by the Counter-Extremism Project, Martin Couture-Rouleau

00:01:32.520 lived with his father in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Quebec. In the year preceding the attack on Patrice

00:01:38.960 Vincent, he reportedly converted to Islam, grew a long beard, and began to dress in Islamic

00:01:45.000 clothing and attend a mosque regularly. He was active on Facebook, using the name Ahmad

00:01:50.780 the Converted. According to a Facebook friend, he reportedly engaged with posts that disparaged

00:01:59.120 Islam. His Facebook page also contained anti-Semitic and pro-Jihad propaganda videos, including a

00:02:06.180 video featuring the ISIS logo, as well as posts referencing the ISIS flag. Couture-Rouleau

00:02:11.360 was also active on Twitter, where he followed several pro-ISIS, pro-Jihad accounts. Now, during

00:02:17.320 all this time, he was also reporting to friends that he was sending money to Syria, and he had

00:02:23.460 also been routinely visited by the RCMP for his activities. Now, two days later, after Patrice

00:02:29.540 Vincent was mortally injured in Jihad by car, a reservist named Corporal Nathan Cirillo was standing

00:02:35.940 at the National War Memorial in Ottawa, when he was shot by Michael Zahaf-Beebo. Zahaf-Beebo

00:02:43.180 then entered the Centre Block Parliament building, where he died in a shootout with Parliamentary

00:02:49.580 security personnel. Now, in 2015, RCMP released a portion of the video recorded by that terrorist,

00:02:56.700 Michael Zahaf-Beebo, right before he fatally shot Corporal Nathan Cirillo at the War Memorial

00:03:03.740 on Parliament Hill in October 2014. Just watch this.

00:03:08.980 Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim. Alhamdulillahi Rabbil Alameen.

00:03:12.220 Nasta'inuhu wa nasta'gfariu. Rabbi shirahi sadri wa yasrli amrih wa ahlu luqdatan min lisani yafqahu qawli.

00:03:18.220 Bismillah ar-Rahim.

00:03:20.220 For those who are involved and listen to this movie, this is a retaliation for Afghanistan 1.00

00:03:24.860 and because Harper wants to send troops to Iraq. So we are retaliating in the Mujahideen

00:03:30.100 of this world. Canada has officially become one of our enemies by fighting and bombing us and

00:03:35.100 creating a lot of terror in our countries and killing us and killing our innocents. So we're just aiming to hit some soldiers 0.98

00:03:42.100 just to show you that you're not even safe in your own land. You've got to be careful. So may Allah accept from us.

00:03:48.100 Zahaf Bebo called his attack retaliation for Afghanistan. He was calm. He wasn't drunk. He wasn't on drugs.

00:03:55.100 That right there is the final manifesto of an Islamic terrorist. That video, it could have been filmed anywhere by any Islamic jihadi anywhere in the world. 0.90

00:04:04.100 The scary part is that it was filmed in Canada, in Ottawa, just before that man took Nathan Cirillo's life and then stormed the parliament buildings.

00:04:13.100 So there you have it. Two Canadian soldiers dead in two separate attacks during a single week four years ago by self-described Islamists.

00:04:24.100 The next thing I'm going to read to you is the statement from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau about the attacks on the War Memorial and Parliament Hill.

00:04:34.100 Four years ago today, a tragic and senseless attack at the National War Memorial and Parliament Hill in Ottawa claimed the life of Corporal Nathan Cirillo, a sentry at the tomb of the unknown soldier, and left several others injured.

00:04:50.100 On this somber anniversary, we remember Corporal Cirillo and Warrant Officer Patrice Vincent, who was killed two days earlier in a separate attack in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Quebec.

00:05:03.100 Our thoughts are with their families and friends and all those affected by these attacks.

00:05:08.100 As we pay tribute to these fallen members of the Canadian Armed Forces, we also pay our respects to the brave first responders and members of our parliamentary family who acted without hesitation to keep us safe.

00:05:24.100 As Canadians, we will not surrender to hatred and let attacks like these divide us.

00:05:30.100 In the face of cowardly violence and fear-mongering, we will not compromise our most cherished values, freedom, democracy, diversity and inclusion.

00:05:42.100 Today, I encourage everyone to show gratitude to the valiant Canadians in uniform past and present.

00:05:48.100 Their dedication and service protect and defend everything that Canada stands for.

00:05:55.100 Did you notice something there?

00:05:58.100 It's, of course, the liberal mumbo-jumbo that one would absolutely expect from Justin Trudeau when he's trying to be serious.

00:06:05.100 He says, in the face of cowardly violence and fear-mongering, we will not compromise on our most cherished values, freedom, democracy, diversity and inclusion.

00:06:16.100 A Muslim extremist shot up the parliament buildings and killed a soldier.

00:06:20.100 It was a terrorist attack in the purest sense of the word on the place that houses the institutions of our very democracy.

00:06:29.100 This couldn't be any more of a terrorist attack on our very way of life.

00:06:33.100 But Justin Trudeau, he didn't say those words.

00:06:36.100 He can't say those words, terrorist attack.

00:06:38.100 He calls it cowardly violence instead of the real reason Corporal Cirillo is dead and his little son is fatherless.

00:06:45.100 It's terrorism.

00:06:46.100 Justin Trudeau uses this very sad commemorative day to lecture us on diversity and inclusion yet again.

00:06:53.100 But don't you dare point out that it was a terrorist attack or you're the problem today.

00:06:58.100 You're the fear-monger on the same level as the terrorist.

00:07:01.100 Sorry, I mean the guy who committed cowardly violence for some reason that Trudeau absolutely cannot talk about or mention.

00:07:08.100 But you know what Justin Trudeau had absolutely no problem calling terrorism?

00:07:14.100 The Quebec City mosque attack.

00:07:16.100 He called it terrorism several times, even once in his year-end wrap-up interview with CTV News' Lisa Laflamme.

00:07:23.100 Now, to be clear, the shooter in the Quebec City mosque attack.

00:07:27.100 He's not charged with any terrorism-related crimes, but that hasn't stopped Justin Trudeau from calling it a terrorist attack, rightly or wrongly. 0.64

00:07:36.100 But what would you expect from an intellectual black hole like Justin Trudeau?

00:07:42.100 He paid $10.5 million to a Taliban terrorist and convicted murderer named Omar Khadar because of something that happened to him,

00:07:50.100 something inconvenient when he was in American custody.

00:07:54.100 Because as Trudeau says, a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian.

00:07:58.100 Apparently, even if that Canadian leaves Canadian soil to wage jihad against Canadians and our allies.

00:08:05.100 Rebel viewers, we stepped up to the plate for the children of Omar Khadar's innocent victim, Christopher Speer.

00:08:12.100 We raised nearly one-quarter of a million dollars with the support of nearly 4,000 backers.

00:08:20.100 And that helped shine an international light on the secret backroom deal Trudeau struck with that terrorist.

00:08:27.100 And we showed the world that Justin Trudeau does not speak for Canadians when he refuses to speak about terrorism and call it what it really is.

00:08:36.100 Justin Trudeau is the outlier here. He thinks terrorists are just, you know, misunderstood.

00:08:43.100 We have to look at the root causes. Now, we don't know now whether it was terrorism or a single crazy or, you know, a domestic issue or a foreign issue.

00:08:54.100 I mean, all those questions. But there is no question that this happened because there is someone who feels completely excluded.

00:09:04.100 And Trudeau thinks that they've got a lot to teach the rest of us law-abiding Canadians. Remember this garbage here. 0.98

00:09:12.100 There is a question of them coming back to this country. And you can't possibly monitor all of them. Can you? 1.00

00:09:20.100 Yes, we have security agencies that are engaged on this file very much.

00:09:25.100 But there's also a lot of community outreach going on.

00:09:28.100 We know that actually someone who has engaged and turned away from that hateful ideology

00:09:37.100 can be an extraordinarily powerful voice for preventing radicalization.

00:09:42.100 You know what? That's too much crazy. Let's detox our brains. 0.96

00:09:46.100 Here's what arguably Canada's best Premier Doug Ford had to say about this sad day we commemorated this week. Here.

00:09:55.100 We remember Corporal Nathan Sorello of the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders, who was killed four years ago today.

00:10:05.100 Corporal Sorello was murdered as he provided a ceremonial honour guard at Canada's National War Memorial.

00:10:15.100 A sacred place that honours those who have given their lives for our freedoms so that we can live in a democratic and safe country.

00:10:27.100 We also remember Warrant Officer Patrice Vassant, who was killed the same week, four years ago, by an ISIL-inspired terrorist.

00:10:38.100 I thank all of our security agencies, police forces, and first responders who put their lives in harm's way for our safety every day.

00:10:49.100 And for those who leave Canada to go and fight for ISIS, let me be very clear.

00:10:56.100 You should not be allowed back into our province with open arms. There is no safe haven in Ontario for you. 0.99

00:11:06.100 Ford called it a murder. He called the attack against Warrant Officer Vincent, ISIL-inspired. No mincing words there, at all.

00:11:14.100 And if you caught the end of Ford's video, he alludes to going one step further.

00:11:19.100 Ford's going to do what the federal government should be doing when it comes to ISIS terrorists, returning back to Canadian soil. 0.99

00:11:27.100 The Ontario PCs have proposed a law to permanently strip convicted terrorists of benefits like access to health care coverage,

00:11:35.100 driver's licenses, housing assistance, or even a hunting or fishing license. It's not much.

00:11:41.100 But the new law, formerly known as the Terrorist Activity Sanctions Act, is something. It's something.

00:11:48.100 And it's currently more than the federal government is doing at all.

00:11:52.100 Yes, unfortunately, for once, I actually find myself agreeing with Justin Trudeau that we absolutely will learn something from these powerful voices,

00:12:02.100 these returning ISIS terrorists. They will be an incredible, powerful voice to show us just what sort of dangerous idiot our Prime Minister is. 1.00

00:12:11.100 But my great fear is that Canadians will learn this information the hard way. 1.00

00:12:16.100 Stay with us. More, up next, after the break.

00:12:36.100 Are Justin Trudeau's liberals funding terrorism?

00:12:40.100 My next guest thinks they just might be. He's written a 132-page report and complaint to the RCMP detailing the money trail from the federal government to terror groups.

00:12:52.100 My guest today is Tom Quiggin. He's an intelligence analyst and security and terrorism expert.

00:12:58.100 Tom, thanks so much for joining me.

00:13:01.100 Thanks for inviting me to the show, Sheila.

00:13:03.100 Now, I want to put to bed, quickly, some of the criticism that you will receive for this very detailed report.

00:13:12.100 Are you some sort of conspiracy theorist about the liberal government?

00:13:16.100 Why don't you give us some of your credentials just so that people can really understand where you're coming from?

00:13:22.100 Well, thanks, Sheila.

00:13:23.100 Folks should know that I spent 15 years in the military, including time in Bosnia and Croatia.

00:13:28.100 I worked for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police for six years as a contract security intelligence analyst working on national security investigations.

00:13:36.100 It was while working for the RCMP that I actually became a court expert for the first time in a terrorism case here in Canada.

00:13:42.100 I've also worked for the Privy Council Office and specifically the Intelligence Assessment Secretariat.

00:13:47.100 That's the intelligence body in Canada that works directly for the Prime Minister and for the Cabinet.

00:13:53.100 Internationally, I've worked for the International War Crimes Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia in The Hague.

00:13:59.100 And I worked as a senior research fellow at Nanyang Technological University in Singapore working on an intelligence research project there.

00:14:06.100 So, I mean, I'm pretty much an establishment figure when folks talk about, you know, how government is run by a certain bureaucratic class.

00:14:14.100 I guess I'm, you know, a part of that.

00:14:17.100 I guess then you're not the wingnut that your critics will claim that you are.

00:14:23.100 Now, I guess the real question is, are the Liberals funding terrorism and how are they doing it?

00:14:31.100 Yeah, well, let me just give a bit of background here.

00:14:34.100 Parities have been used in Canada for years to fund terrorism.

00:14:38.100 This isn't something new.

00:14:39.100 It's been going on for well over 20 years.

00:14:42.100 So, for instance, IRFAN, the International Relief Fund for the Afflicted and Needy, was a federally registered charity.

00:14:48.100 And it was being used to fund Hamas to the tune of tens of millions of dollars in cash and services.

00:14:54.100 They were, of course, they had their charitable status revoked by CRA and they were declared to be a terrorist entity.

00:15:00.100 The Islamic Society of North America has had four charity revocations, two of which were for funding terrorism.

00:15:07.100 And then we also had something called the World Islamic Call Society operating here in Canada.

00:15:12.100 And I'm not making this up.

00:15:14.100 These are the exact right words.

00:15:16.100 That was Muammar Gaddafi's jihad fund as it was operating in Canada.

00:15:21.100 Now, what has changed, and I think this is what is important, is in the past it was sort of like bad or malicious people outside of government exploiting weaknesses in government systems in order to enhance their charity and fundraising capabilities so they could fund terrorism.

00:15:38.100 What is different now is that people inside the government are using the government's programs, the government's funding, the government ministries to direct money down a path which they know portions of that money will ultimately wind up funding extremism and terrorism.

00:15:57.100 And that's the bit that's different.

00:15:58.100 And I should just say up front, I'm not anti-liberal.

00:16:00.100 I mean, I voted liberal in the past, but I would have to say I'm very much anti what this government is doing right now.

00:16:07.100 So, which charities right now are receiving government money that I guess shouldn't be?

00:16:16.100 Okay, this report focuses on one situation.

00:16:20.100 That's Islamic Relief Canada.

00:16:22.100 And we know that the government of Canada is funding them because it's in a variety of government documents coming from Global Affairs Canada, International Development, et cetera, et cetera.

00:16:32.100 Now, Islamic Relief Canada sends millions of dollars a year to its parent organization called Islamic Relief Worldwide, which operates out of the United Kingdom.

00:16:43.100 A variety of credible independent sources have identified Islamic Relief Worldwide as continuously funding terrorism.

00:16:52.100 And amongst those people making the accusations are the United Arab Emirates, whose government, I mean, incidentally, is Sunni and Muslim.

00:17:00.100 The state of Bangladesh has refused to allow Islamic Relief Worldwide to operate in their territory because they say they're funding extremism.

00:17:07.100 The state of Israel says that Islamic Relief Worldwide is funding Hamas.

00:17:12.100 And then to make it even more interesting, HSBC Bank, one of the world's largest banks, has closed their accounts with Islamic Relief Worldwide due to terrorism funding concerns.

00:17:22.100 The Swiss bank UBS has done the same.

00:17:25.100 And in the United Kingdom as well, the charity Overwatch organization has looked at Islamic Relief Worldwide and said they're pulling them off their website for terrorism funding concerns.

00:17:36.100 And right here in Canada, the Financial Post used to have Islamic Relief Canada on their list of 25 best-run charities, but it's no longer there.

00:17:45.100 And the reason they gave was terrorism funding concerns.

00:17:48.100 Now, interesting enough, just since I put this report out, six American congressmen have written to the head of the FBI and the head of the IRS requesting that they continue their investigation into Islamic Relief USA for, guess what, funding terrorism.

00:18:04.100 So this is sort of a globally known problem.

00:18:07.100 And why the Canadian government is sending money down this path, which they know will go to Islamic Relief Worldwide, this to me is quite an interesting question.

00:18:15.100 You know, when you lay it out that way, Canada is really the outlier, the global outlier, especially in the Western world, when it comes to dealing with where these charitable funds end up.

00:18:27.100 I noticed in your report you had it was really an infographic about which ministers were the worst offenders and and where, you know, how much money is going from each ministry to Islamic Relief.

00:18:43.100 Yes, we've to make it simple for folks, we put a number of charts and graphs in there.

00:18:48.100 And if folks are ever looking at it, you can just hover over each of the pictures of the links and you can see the sources for this material.

00:18:55.100 So it's not stuff I'm making up.

00:18:57.100 This is information coming from government documents or NGO documents, et cetera.

00:19:01.100 But the ministers who are sort of sitting at the top as far as we're concerned, who are directing money to Islamic Relief Canada, folks like the Honorable Ahmed Hussain, Minister of Citizenship and Immigration and Refugees,

00:19:13.100 the Honorable Christy Freeland as Minister of Global Affairs or Foreign Affairs, depending on your choice,

00:19:19.100 the Honorable Marie-Claude Bebo, who is Head of International Development.

00:19:23.100 These are the ministers involved.

00:19:24.100 We also have Ikra Klit, of course, member of Parliament from Mississauga.

00:19:28.100 She had a hand in directing $23 million of M103 anti-Islamophobia money to two different organizations, one of which is Islamic Relief Canada.

00:19:39.100 She didn't say how much of the $23 million they're getting, but it looks like it's the lion's share.

00:19:44.100 Now, separate from those individuals who are actually directly aiding in money being sent down the path to extremism,

00:19:51.100 we have Prime Minister Trudeau, who actually did a video for Islamic Relief Canada advocating what a great bunch of guys they were

00:20:00.100 and why should we, you know, and that we should assist them.

00:20:03.100 And he's spoken out on their behalf a couple of times.

00:20:06.100 In addition to that, we've had Omar al-Gaba, for instance, also a member of Parliament from Mississauga,

00:20:12.100 has risen in the House to make a statement about what a great bunch of guys Islamic Relief are,

00:20:17.100 and he also goes to their fundraising efforts, ergo he is lending his prestige and the prestige of Parliament to Islamic Relief.

00:20:25.100 So, just for folks who don't follow this stuff closely, the Criminal Code of Canada is fairly clear on this.

00:20:31.100 If you send money down a path which you know is going to wind up in the hands of extremists or terrorists,

00:20:37.100 that by itself constitutes a criminal offense.

00:20:40.100 So that's where I would say the ministers in Ipre Kalid are.

00:20:43.100 In the case of Mr. Trudeau and Mr. Algebra, they fall afoul of a different section of the Criminal Code,

00:20:49.100 and that is facilitation.

00:20:51.100 If you facilitate the activities of a group which you know is going to send money down the path,

00:20:56.100 that also is a criminal offense under Section 83 of the Criminal Code of Canada.

00:21:01.100 So, my observation here as a court expert on jihadist terrorism,

00:21:05.100 as a former intelligence guy who does support to investigations on a number of different levels,

00:21:11.100 my observation here, there is a clear and direct trail of money going from the Government of Canada,

00:21:18.100 to Islamic Relief Canada, to Islamic Relief worldwide,

00:21:22.100 and they are known internationally to be funding terrorism and extremism.

00:21:26.100 Now, I had seen in some other interviews where you've said that even summer jobs grants funding,

00:21:33.100 that Christian groups were not eligible for because they wouldn't sign the attestation to liberal values,

00:21:40.100 some of that might be ending up back in the hands of Islamic Relief.

00:21:44.100 Yes, the summer jobs program in 2017 and 2018, both of those programs are sending money to Islamic Relief Canada.

00:21:53.100 And this raises sort of a separate issue, but nonetheless connected,

00:21:56.100 is the summer jobs program, as you mentioned, had this attestation that you had to sign

00:22:01.100 that you supported the Liberal government's position on what they called women's health.

00:22:05.100 In other words, you had to be, you know, pro-abortion sort of thing.

00:22:09.100 That's a bit shocking that government funding would be connected to that kind of a values test,

00:22:15.100 which I think is actually against the Charter of Rights.

00:22:17.100 But forgetting that, what's interesting is I've spoken with a number of religious organizations

00:22:23.100 that run things like summer camps.

00:22:25.100 So, for instance, the Baptist group in the Atlantic provinces went, I believe,

00:22:30.100 it was about zero for 23, 23 separate applications for summer jobs money,

00:22:35.100 which they'd always received, and then they got zero because they asked for an exemption from the program.

00:22:41.100 What's fascinating is a bunch of groups like ICNA, ISNA, and Islamic Relief Canada got the money,

00:22:48.100 despite the fact they are openly and sometimes violently anti-abortion.

00:22:53.100 So, for instance, ICNA has the public position that unwed females who are pregnant, the child should be born 0.99

00:23:00.100 and then the woman should be stoned to death. 1.00

00:23:02.100 So I'm not quite sure that meets the Liberal government test, 0.98

00:23:05.100 but nonetheless they were able to get money.

00:23:07.100 So, yeah, there's a whole other separate question and a whole separate investigation that should be run there as well.

00:23:12.100 You know, it's fascinating when you think of it, that money that could be going to fund summer camps for inner city kids or, you know, poor kids,

00:23:23.100 that money could actually be going to fund summer jihad camps somewhere in the Middle East.

00:23:30.100 Actually, separate from that, and what we're about to talk here is not in my report,

00:23:35.100 but, I mean, the Quiggin Report has put a podcast on this if people want to follow it.

00:23:40.100 But there is something called the UNRWA.

00:23:43.100 It's a supposedly United Nations organization that operates in the Palestinian territories.

00:23:49.100 The Government of Canada just announced another $50 million of funding to them

00:23:54.100 on top of the $110 million we'd already sent them in the past.

00:23:58.100 And this is interesting because UNRWA just had its funding cut off from the United States

00:24:04.100 because they described the program as being irretrievably broken.

00:24:09.100 So what's actually happening is UNRWA, and it's been known for years,

00:24:13.100 that they support extremism, they support terrorism, they promote violence.

00:24:16.100 And more interestingly, money that goes to UNRWA winds up in the beneficiary program.

00:24:22.100 And what that program does is it funds the families of suicide bombers.

00:24:26.100 So if your son goes off and blows himself up as a suicide bomber for Islamic Jihad,

00:24:31.100 you actually get a pension for the rest of your life because of that.

00:24:35.100 So Canadian money going to UNRWA, some of it will find its way into the hands of supporting suicide bombers.

00:24:42.100 Now, in addition to that, they've had some charming individuals working for UNRWA.

00:24:47.100 One of them was a guy named Suhail El-Hindi, who just left last year after 23 years.

00:24:54.100 He was a teacher. He was part of the Hamas organization that does political activities with UNRWA.

00:25:01.100 And while speaking at a UNRWA school, in company with Sheikh Rantizi, who was the founder of Hamas, 0.52

00:25:08.100 he told the students there that the road to Palestine passes through the blood of murders

00:25:13.100 and that those student murders shape history through their exploding body parts.

00:25:18.100 So this is a teacher in their school system, and this is what they're teaching the students.

00:25:23.100 They had another charming guy work for them.

00:25:25.100 He was a teacher, an educator.

00:25:27.100 He was principal of one of their schools, and he died in an Israeli airstrike on a rocket factory.

00:25:32.100 So it turns out not only was he a principal in one of UNRWA schools,

00:25:36.100 he was also the head of engineering and weapons manufacturing for Islamic Jihad.

00:25:41.100 Also, just by way of closing this off, last year, three different tunnels were found being dug under UNRWA schools,

00:25:50.100 which were used in the attempt to move Hamas terrorists into Israel.

00:25:54.100 So that's the kind of things UNRWA is doing, and it's not surprising that other folks have cut them off,

00:26:00.100 like the Saudis and the Americans and others.

00:26:03.100 Or the Canadians under Stephen Harper.

00:26:06.100 You know, this is a very new thing, that this money is going back to the UNRWA,

00:26:12.100 because under the Conservatives, we understood that this was, you know, a group that funnels money to terror.

00:26:20.100 And I guess that goes to my next question.

00:26:24.100 Do you think that the cabinet ministers are aware that this money eventually ends up in the hands of terrorists?

00:26:32.100 I mean, I guess my words, not yours, I don't see how they can't be.

00:26:37.100 But on some level, some of them are quota appointees.

00:26:40.100 And maybe, you know, there are other people working within the ministry who are dishing out this money.

00:26:45.100 What do you think?

00:26:47.100 Well, a couple of things come to mind.

00:26:49.100 One is, one is we have a Westminster style of parliament,

00:26:52.100 which is to say the minister is accountable to the actions of the department.

00:26:57.100 And the excuse of, oh, I didn't know that was happening, is not an acceptable excuse.

00:27:02.100 Either you knew it was happening, or the supervision of your department is so bad, 0.54

00:27:06.100 you didn't know what was happening, in which case you're incompetent.

00:27:09.100 Now, having said that, folks like Ahmed Hussam have actually come out and said,

00:27:14.100 oh, no, we only deal with trusted partners, which to me suggests he must have done an exercise to review if the NGOs and agencies they're working with are reliable.

00:27:23.100 And if they'd done that, they would know right off the top, as soon as you look at Islamic relief, they're in trouble. 0.93

00:27:29.100 There's all kinds of people pointing out the problems this organization has.

00:27:33.100 Same goes for Marie-Claude Bibeau.

00:27:36.100 She's head of a department. 1.00

00:27:38.100 Their actual business, international development, is sending money overseas.

00:27:42.100 And you would have to think that the department is accountable for knowing to whom they're sending the money.

00:27:48.100 And if they're not, then again, they're just grossly incompetent and should be fired based on that.

00:27:53.100 So, yeah, I would have to say, I mean, it's general knowledge in the national security and the intelligence world and in the international relations world that Islamic relief worldwide has a problem with funding extremism.

00:28:05.100 It's known in the banking world and it's known in the journalistic world.

00:28:09.100 So I think a defense of I didn't know what was happening or I was just following orders, that doesn't wash here.

00:28:17.100 My next question was going to be, how does Justin Trudeau as prime minister end this?

00:28:23.100 But you just your last answer sort of negates that question at all.

00:28:31.100 I guess the question should be, how does the next prime minister deal with this problem?

00:28:38.100 Actually, it's not that hard, really.

00:28:41.100 It's a matter of simply enforcing existing law.

00:28:45.100 We already have laws against what we're doing here.

00:28:48.100 So, I mean, the first simple suggestion I would have to Prime Minister Trudeau and to whoever secedes him at whatever point in the future is simply follow the law.

00:28:57.100 It's that easy.

00:28:58.100 Now, what I do find fascinating, though, is a number of governments around the world say, you know, they oppose terrorism, they oppose extremism, yet they keep right on funding it.

00:29:08.100 To anybody that does, you know, long term studies of terrorism, they know that the simplest way to crush a terrorist group is to go after its funding.

00:29:15.100 So if Canada is serious about terrorism on an international basis or on a local basis at a domestic level, then that's the first thing to go after is the funding.

00:29:24.100 And I think that is, you know, the easiest thing for Canadian citizens to start asking the prime minister and their members of parliament and say, you know, are we funding terrorism?

00:29:34.100 Are we sending money down a path where we know it winds up in the hands of extremists?

00:29:38.100 The answer is, yes, we know it.

00:29:40.100 Now, as I pointed out earlier, it's been an ongoing problem for years.

00:29:44.100 And at certain points, CRA steps in and does something about it and gets it stopped.

00:29:48.100 But to refer back to your question about Mr. Trudeau, the point is this time is it's people inside the government directing the money down the path, not bad or malicious people operating outside of government.

00:30:00.100 So how one gets people in government to stop doing this is a bit of a question.

00:30:05.100 I mean, I think there needs to be accountability and that comes either through the RCMP, which enforces federal law, or it comes through the ballot box and letters to your MP.

00:30:15.100 You know, I would love to see a Gomri style inquiry into how these funds are dished out and where they end up so that people can actually see the decision making trail alongside the money that went to these organizations.

00:30:33.100 Tom, how do people get in touch with you?

00:30:36.100 How do they see this report?

00:30:38.100 How do they find you?

00:30:39.100 And you know what?

00:30:40.100 Here's a chance to plug your podcast, which is pretty darn interesting.

00:30:44.100 Yeah.

00:30:45.100 Well, right now there's a podcast called The Quiggin Report.

00:30:48.100 It's available on Patreon.

00:30:50.100 It's available on SoundCloud, iTunes, Stitcher, and all the sort of usual places.

00:30:54.100 If folks want to see the infographic we put together on who's sending what money where, and if they want to see the actual report itself, if you go to Patreon and look under Quiggin Report, you'll find it there.

00:31:08.100 There's also this one podcast we just put out on the complaint to the ARC and people in government funding terrorism was actually the third in a series where we've looked at the history of funding terrorism in Canada, what agencies have been used in the past, and then of course this podcast we just put out now, which I think is the most important one, which says it switched from being people outside of government to people being inside government.

00:31:30.100 So yeah, search under Google under Quiggin Report and funding terrorism and you'll find us in a bunch of different places.

00:31:36.100 Great. Thanks so much, Tom, for coming on the show today and for taking the time to put together this massive, comprehensive report.

00:31:44.100 And I hope that we can call on you again for some of your expertise.

00:31:49.100 Cheers. Thanks, Sheila.

00:31:50.100 Thanks. Stay with us. More up next after the break.

00:32:00.100 Welcome back.

00:32:05.100 Now is the portion of the show where Ezra normally reads viewer comments, emails, and maybe even a little bit of his hate mail.

00:32:14.100 And he normally stands for this portion of the show.

00:32:18.100 He's taller and skinnier when he's standing, I suppose, the way we all are.

00:32:23.100 But I need to sit because I need my desk.

00:32:26.100 Because I need some place to put my computer.

00:32:30.100 Because I have to answer a question about my computer that I get a lot, like surprisingly a lot.

00:32:37.100 I get a lot of different versions of this email here that I got from one of our viewers named Gordon.

00:32:44.100 Now, Gordon writes, please provide an explanation about the picture of Tucker Carlson with the word predator on Sheila Gunn-Reed's videos.

00:32:55.100 And Jim sent me, again, like I said, another version of the same email.

00:32:59.100 I thoroughly enjoy Sheila's great work.

00:33:02.100 Just wondering the story behind the Tucker Carlson picture.

00:33:05.100 Okay, well, first off, let me thank both Gordon and Jim and all the other people who email me for paying such close attention to the finer details of my videos.

00:33:15.100 Frankly, now I'm a little concerned that I should put more attention into those small details that you are all noticing at home.

00:33:22.100 I'm a huge fan of Tucker Carlson.

00:33:25.100 Big fan.

00:33:26.100 Probably the biggest fan.

00:33:27.100 Some of you may even notice that from time to time I wear a t-shirt with his face on it.

00:33:31.100 I can't get enough of his confused expression and his luscious muskrat pelt of a head of hair.

00:33:38.100 Okay, so now we've got that out in the open.

00:33:42.100 Next.

00:33:43.100 The brand name of my computer is Predator.

00:33:46.100 It's an Acer Predator.

00:33:48.100 And one of my children, although none of them will specifically own up to being the culprit here,

00:33:53.100 stuck this sticker on my computer on the side they know will be most visible to the camera.

00:33:58.100 So there's no coded message here.

00:34:00.100 I'm not implying that Tucker Carlson is some sort of predator.

00:34:04.100 And I'm paid to give you my opinion anyway.

00:34:06.100 So I wouldn't be sending my opinions out to you in some sort of code.

00:34:10.100 So disregard that.

00:34:12.100 So optically, yes.

00:34:14.100 Maybe it's a little strange with the word predator and then Tucker Carlson's face here.

00:34:19.100 But I by no means think Tucker Carlson is some sort of predator.

00:34:23.100 And if he is a predator, then maybe he's a predator after my heart.

00:34:28.100 Okay, so hopefully that puts that email to bed.

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00:34:49.100 And not just the kind that appear on the CBC as their official conservative,

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00:35:39.100 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

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Rebel News Podcast - October 24, 2018

Remembering Vincent and Cirillo： Four years later, Trudeau still won't call their murders “terrorism”

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