Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Are climate change true believers part of some quasi-religious cult？

00:00:00.000 Is the deep green radical climate change movement a cult?

00:00:04.400 My guest today makes the case.

00:00:06.160 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:08.460 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:38.460 Most sinister cults anyway, is change your diet drastically and sometimes change your

00:00:46.860 sleep habits.

00:00:48.740 And that is to disorient the prospective cult member, but also to deplete their brain from

00:00:55.980 the ability to think their way out of a situation.

00:00:59.840 And right now, the climate change movement is saying you don't need to eat meat, even

00:01:05.540 though meat requires the things you need to make your brain work.

00:01:08.740 You don't need to eat animals at all.

00:01:10.780 You must not eat animals because you're trying to save the planet.

00:01:16.080 And I see that as a thing a cult leader would tell you to do so that you don't have the

00:01:22.220 psychological but also physical wherewithal to get out of the situation they're about

00:01:28.880 to put you in.

00:01:29.660 Now, that's just one way that I would compare the environmentalist movement to a cult.

00:01:35.320 My guest today has given it, I think, even more thought than I have.

00:01:38.880 My guest today is Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition.

00:01:43.480 Here's the interview we recorded earlier.

00:01:45.580 Check it out.

00:01:45.980 So, joining me now is my friend Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition.

00:01:58.860 Tom, thanks so much for coming on the show.

00:02:00.900 And I'm very sorry I was late to our interview.

00:02:06.000 There's a strong comparison, and I make it all the time.

00:02:09.600 But you have come to, I think, the same conclusion that I think climate change is a bit of a doomsday

00:02:16.560 cult.

00:02:17.940 And, you know, as with most doomsday cults, at the end of it all, you're left with the

00:02:24.100 truest believers who will do the most extreme thing.

00:02:27.740 Because with so many doomsday cults, they make a prediction of the comet or whatever, the

00:02:33.480 apocalypse, and then it doesn't come.

00:02:35.220 And people leave.

00:02:37.040 But others stay behind.

00:02:38.160 And then the next prediction comes, and it doesn't come to fruition, and people leave.

00:02:43.520 But at the end, you are left with a radical capsule of people who are true believers, despite

00:02:52.100 all evidence that they know that they are right, and they are willing to do whatever it takes.

00:02:58.580 And that's, I think, how normal people end up drinking Kool-Aid or Flavor-Aid, as was the

00:03:03.680 case, or wearing matching tracksuits and Nikes, killing themselves.

00:03:09.080 Yeah.

00:03:09.240 What do you think?

00:03:11.120 Well, it's interesting, because Michael Crichton gave a speech.

00:03:13.980 Remember, he's the author of Jurassic Park and the Andromeda Strain and all kinds of things.

00:03:18.260 State of Fear, which was something that talked about climate change and how the environmentalists

00:03:22.160 were actually causing disasters so that they could say, oh, look, you know, we're right.

00:03:26.200 But here's what he said in 2003.

00:03:29.340 He said, if you look carefully, you see that environmentalism is, in fact, a perfect 21st

00:03:34.560 century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths.

00:03:38.720 There's an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature.

00:03:43.100 Then there's a fall from grace into a state of pollution, etc.

00:03:46.260 And he talks about there'll be a judgment day coming.

00:03:49.140 We're all energy sinners doomed to die unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability.

00:03:55.120 And, you know, it's interesting because there was an expert, Rick Ross.

00:03:58.620 He's an expert on cults and intervention.

00:04:01.060 Yeah, he's an intervention specialist.

00:04:02.580 And he developed a list of 10 warning signs for unsafe groups, which was published by the

00:04:08.540 Cult Education Institute.

00:04:10.480 And I won't read all 10 of them, but let's look at a couple of them.

00:04:13.220 The first one is absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.

00:04:18.520 And, of course, that's exactly what's happening in the climate change thing.

00:04:21.680 We have Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio without any formal scientific training.

00:04:26.400 They're telling us it's the end of the world.

00:04:28.340 And if you question them, my God, you know, you're you're a denier.

00:04:31.440 And it's interesting.

00:04:32.460 I'll just go down here a little bit.

00:04:34.220 No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.

00:04:37.860 You know, if you question it all, you're a denier.

00:04:40.720 The science is settled, Tom.

00:04:42.280 Yeah, that's right.

00:04:44.140 And, you know, just going through the list, I just do one more.

00:04:46.380 Number four is kind of interesting.

00:04:48.100 It said unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil

00:04:54.540 conspiracies and persecutions.

00:04:56.840 OK, it's very much like the guy walking down the street who says the end is near, you know,

00:05:00.780 Thursday, it's the end of the world.

00:05:02.360 Thursday comes and goes.

00:05:03.220 He just crosses it out and he puts Friday.

00:05:06.040 And, you know, Al Gore is doing that all the time.

00:05:09.300 I mean, it is quite amazing.

00:05:10.680 Did you see his his stuff at the Davos conference where he was really quite unhinged?

00:05:17.860 Yes, I did.

00:05:18.740 He was very upset, screaming and yelling.

00:05:21.840 And I thought, you know what?

00:05:23.880 Maybe you're mad at yourself in your big house, in your private jet that got you here.

00:05:28.680 But it's OK because you can have your tantrum in your pile of money that you got from peddling

00:05:34.120 this garbage.

00:05:34.700 Well, and it's amazing if you look at the other people on the stage at the time, he

00:05:38.700 was saying things that are truly insane.

00:05:40.900 I mean, completely ridiculous.

00:05:42.500 He was saying the oceans are boiling, boiling like that's 212 degrees Fahrenheit.

00:05:47.760 It turns out that the average temperature rise of the oceans in the last century has been

00:05:53.000 0.14 degrees Fahrenheit, which is considerably less than a degree Celsius, point one less than

00:05:59.140 1.1 degrees Celsius.

00:06:01.020 That's been going on per decade.

00:06:03.260 OK, so if you actually believe the UN now, that's a big if because, of course, a lot of

00:06:08.300 their stats are are silly.

00:06:10.300 But there you know, these groups are actually saying that it's a but a 1.4 degrees C ray rise

00:06:16.520 since 1880.

00:06:18.140 1.4 degrees.

00:06:19.220 Now, like the atmosphere, if you know, you would not even notice that in your lifetime

00:06:24.720 if, in fact, it really is happening.

00:06:26.940 And that's a good question because some experts say that there's no warming at all.

00:06:31.080 So he says boiling, but he gets away with that because he's on the side of the angels.

00:06:35.840 OK, he's on the side of the global warming catastrophes.

00:06:39.220 The other thing he said, which I thought was funny.

00:06:41.220 And again, the people on stage were not questioning him.

00:06:44.800 No, that that's just like a cult.

00:06:47.100 Exactly like a cult.

00:06:48.180 He says the equivalent of 600,000 Hiroshima bombs per day are being set off because of

00:06:55.360 our greenhouse gas emissions.

00:06:57.240 We're still putting 162 million tons into it every single day.

00:07:01.460 And the accumulated amount is now trapping as much extra heat as would be released by

00:07:06.420 600,000 Hiroshima class atomic bombs exploding every single day on the earth. 0.58

00:07:12.080 That's what's boiling the oceans, creating these atmospheric rivers and the rain bombs

00:07:17.120 and sucking the moisture out of the land and creating the droughts and melting the ice

00:07:21.520 and raising the sea level and causing these waves of climate refugees predicted to reach 1.00

00:07:26.460 one billion in this century.

00:07:28.180 Look at the xenophobia and political authoritarian trends that have come from just a few million

00:07:34.200 refugees.

00:07:35.180 What about a billion?

00:07:36.180 We would lose our capacity for self-governance on this world.

00:07:39.820 Now, you have to ask yourself, first of all, how big is 600,000 Hiroshima bombs in comparison

00:07:45.900 with, let's say, the sun's input?

00:07:48.220 It turns out that it is 0.25% of the sun's output that hits the earth, actually, in the

00:07:56.100 course of a day.

00:07:57.000 It actually works out to, you know, 600,000 Hiroshima's today would be 9 million kilotons

00:08:01.800 of TNT.

00:08:02.800 That's a lot.

00:08:03.460 But the sun gives us 400 times that amount of energy every single day.

00:08:08.660 The other point, of course, is when people tell me about these big numbers of energy being

00:08:13.640 added to the atmosphere, my answer is, well, so what?

00:08:18.280 I mean, in eight and a half years, there's been no warming.

00:08:21.680 So obviously, something in nature is undoing it.

00:08:25.020 And of course, the answer is clouds.

00:08:27.200 What's happening is that as it gets slightly warmer, you get more evaporation and you get

00:08:32.920 more clouds and the clouds cool it down.

00:08:34.600 And we know that's the case because there was no warming.

00:08:38.480 And if it's true, and I haven't done the full calculation for greenhouse gases, but if it

00:08:43.080 were true that 600,000 Hiroshima's per day, well, the answer is like, so what?

00:08:49.420 There's no warming.

00:08:51.280 I didn't notice.

00:08:52.580 So you know what?

00:08:55.460 Even with his gross exaggeration, if I didn't notice, I don't care, frankly.

00:09:00.500 And when you spread it out over the whole thing, I mean, you know, it really doesn't

00:09:06.220 matter.

00:09:07.060 And again, this is an indication of a cult.

00:09:09.680 I mean, we could go through all 10 of these things, but it's not really worth it.

00:09:13.600 You know, the group leader is always right.

00:09:16.300 That's number nine among the identifiers of a cult.

00:09:20.060 Al Gore is always right.

00:09:21.320 In fact, it's interesting.

00:09:22.400 I'll send it to you after the show.

00:09:24.060 You might laugh that they actually took that statement from Al Gore about boiling ocean 600,000,

00:09:29.820 Hiroshima's per day, et cetera.

00:09:31.560 His very excited, unhinged statement, they took it and they put it to exciting music.

00:09:36.960 OK, so it's not as if it's not as if the left were hiding it, saying, oh, my God, he's

00:09:44.280 saying things that are insane.

00:09:45.820 They were trumpeting it because the leader is always right.

00:09:49.100 That's number nine among the cults, you know.

00:09:51.640 So they were actually pushing it with music, exciting, boom, boom, boom, music, you know,

00:09:56.540 end of the world.

00:09:57.120 And you find this all across the board.

00:09:59.960 I mean, it's not just Al Gore.

00:10:01.400 Al is a symptom, basically.

00:10:03.260 And he's the leader, of course, of the cult.

00:10:05.980 But you see this everywhere.

00:10:07.620 You know, they're saying we have 12 years left or there's an irrefutable change to the

00:10:11.480 atmosphere, you know, and that sort of thing.

00:10:13.240 I mean, it's dumb.

00:10:14.320 I mean, Al Gore was saying there's going to be a billion climate refugees.

00:10:18.020 I don't know if you saw that.

00:10:19.140 Yeah.

00:10:19.240 But but here's some interesting statistics.

00:10:22.020 In 2005, the U.N. forecast that there was going to be.

00:10:26.300 Oh, my goodness.

00:10:27.200 There was going to be.

00:10:28.400 Let's see.

00:10:28.640 I'll just get the exact numbers.

00:10:29.820 So I don't I'm not wrong.

00:10:31.000 Here we go.

00:10:31.580 United Nations Environment Program claimed in 2005 that by 2010, there would be 50 million

00:10:38.280 climate refugees.

00:10:39.880 50 million.

00:10:40.780 OK.

00:10:41.600 In 2010, there were none.

00:10:44.320 So they crossed that out and they changed 2010 to 2020.

00:10:48.780 And then they made the same statement.

00:10:50.280 50 million climate refugees by 2020.

00:10:53.340 Well, that's come and gone.

00:10:54.820 And you know what?

00:10:55.520 There is not a single climate refugee anywhere in the world.

00:10:59.640 And I think that the world at large understands that this is wrong, because you might remember

00:11:05.820 that back in 2015, I think it was, the U.N. did a poll called My World and they asked people

00:11:13.180 of the world, what were the top things the U.N. should focus on?

00:11:16.720 And they gave a list of 17 things.

00:11:19.240 And the first one they put really first and big, you know, they wanted everyone to choose

00:11:22.640 this first.

00:11:23.380 They put climate change.

00:11:25.300 But the people of the world did not cooperate.

00:11:28.520 And after nine million votes had come in, much of it from Nigeria.

00:11:32.840 Interesting.

00:11:33.140 I don't know why, but climate change ranked dead last.

00:11:37.540 OK, there were all kinds of other things like access to clean drinking water and, you

00:11:42.620 know, peace and security and freedom of expression, things like that, which sometimes you wonder

00:11:47.600 if you have in Canada.

00:11:48.860 But it was interesting because all of the developing nations put climate change either at the end

00:11:54.680 or very near the end because they, of course, needed the essentials of life.

00:11:58.360 Only in countries like Denmark, where they essentially had enough fresh drinking water,

00:12:04.200 enough energy, security, things like that, only in those countries did it even break the

00:12:08.480 top 10.

00:12:09.660 OK, so what have you laughed to hear what happened?

00:12:13.160 The U.N. obviously wanted climate change to come out as number one because they keep saying

00:12:16.780 it's the most existential threat to humanity.

00:12:19.500 Well, after a little while, when it became apparent that the world people were putting

00:12:24.620 it dead last, oh, they just removed the poll.

00:12:28.020 But I captured it.

00:12:29.640 And I'll actually send you an image, actually, of the results of the poll, which show climate

00:12:34.120 change not, you know, fifth or tenth, but dead last.

00:12:38.140 OK, so people of the world, I think, are waking up to this at large.

00:12:42.980 And, you know, one thing that really excites me, I don't know if you've heard of the

00:12:46.200 rap star Tom McDonald.

00:12:47.820 Yes, yes, he's great.

00:12:50.540 He is quite amazing, you know, I mean, he has tattoos all over his face.

00:12:53.860 So he has the image of a traditional rap star, you know, cop killing and all that.

00:12:58.420 But he says things that are really, really significant.

00:13:01.920 He has a video out called Brainwash.

00:13:04.500 And I love it.

00:13:05.460 I use it when I'm doing pushups and exercise.

00:13:07.700 It pumps me up and it pumps me up not because he's saying these things, you know, don't defund

00:13:12.680 police, defund the media who lie through their teeth, you know.

00:13:15.840 And he he talks about all kinds of things that are that are really exactly what you talk

00:13:20.940 about on this show.

00:13:21.840 But he does it to a rap beat.

00:13:23.600 Now, the beauty of this and the reason why I find it so inspiring is because he has 17

00:13:29.460 million views on that video.

00:13:32.440 And here's the other thing.

00:13:33.980 It's incredible.

00:13:34.760 64,000 comments, 64,000 comments.

00:13:40.300 And it's mostly young people saying, yeah, he's right.

00:13:43.060 You know, I agree.

00:13:44.260 Wow.

00:13:44.620 We're we're we're really being brainwashed.

00:13:46.860 You know, a lot of this stuff is is crazy.

00:13:49.020 And and what McDonald's says is he says the elite want to keep us fighting among ourselves,

00:13:53.940 fighting left versus right, black versus white.

00:13:56.860 You know, all the different people fight, fight, fight.

00:13:58.720 Because he says they're afraid if we get together, we'll go against them.

00:14:03.800 And that's, of course, one of the reasons I think why government divides people, why the

00:14:08.380 UN, others divide people up, you know, like, I mean, this whole concept of dividing the

00:14:13.120 world into developing and developed nations and different countries have different obligations

00:14:18.320 depending on their so-called status.

00:14:20.360 This divides us up hugely.

00:14:22.520 I don't know if you notice, but China is still called a developing nation.

00:14:26.560 Right.

00:14:26.700 Like, yeah, so they don't have to reduce greenhouse gases at all, even though they're twice as

00:14:31.200 much as the United States.

00:14:33.200 So, you know, you laugh, Sheila, when they cornered the Chinese delegate at the Peru

00:14:38.660 Conference of the Parties, I think it was 2014, they asked if they would change that part

00:14:44.040 of the agreement, you know, and because, of course, that's underlying the Paris agreements,

00:14:48.400 the Framework Convention of climate on climate change.

00:14:51.380 And the Chinese negotiator, he said, oh, no, no.

00:14:54.840 The purpose of the Paris Agreement is to enforce the Framework Convention, not to change it.

00:15:01.320 So they know they have a sweetheart deal.

00:15:03.280 I mean, in 1992, when the Framework Convention was passed, there were no billionaires in China.

00:15:08.220 And now, I don't know how many there are, but there's lots.

00:15:11.620 So China's got a sweetheart deal here.

00:15:13.820 They can increase their greenhouse gas emissions forever because the Framework Convention says

00:15:18.440 the first and overriding priority of developing countries is poverty alleviation and development,

00:15:24.920 which makes sense.

00:15:25.880 OK, that makes sense.

00:15:27.140 And so they're going to say when 2030 comes around, where the Paris Agreement says they

00:15:31.280 have to cap their emissions, they're going to say, nope, we have an out clause.

00:15:35.360 It's Article 4 in the Framework Convention.

00:15:37.360 And that is the fundamental rules of the whole UN climate approach.

00:15:42.760 And so they can increase their coal production, which, of course, is their cheapest form of

00:15:47.360 energy because it helps them alleviate poverty.

00:15:50.180 They didn't put climate change top of the list.

00:15:52.700 And in fact, you know, I don't admire China the way Trudeau does, but I must say that they 1.00

00:15:58.880 are a lot more practical than our leaders when it comes to this whole charade.

00:16:03.420 Oh, they for sure know how to play the game.

00:16:04.880 It's funny that poverty elimination is number one for the developing world, but it's climate

00:16:11.120 policies that are leading to poverty, poverty creation in the Western world.

00:16:16.680 I was making some notes as you were talking because, you know, Tom McDonald is so right

00:16:21.600 when he says, you know, like they don't want us talking to each other.

00:16:26.020 They don't they want us fighting.

00:16:27.820 And that leads me to all of these Internet censorship laws.

00:16:31.940 They really don't want us communicating with each other and sharing ideas.

00:16:37.760 And importantly, realizing we're not alone and not crazy for questioning these things.

00:16:45.300 I remember that was the I think for me, as I watched the trucker convoy roll across the

00:16:49.960 country.

00:16:50.680 For me, it was watching all those people pile out onto the overpasses and along the highway

00:16:58.240 because suddenly they realized, like, I'm not alone.

00:17:01.580 The TV told me that I'm supposed to care about climate change, that I'm supposed to be intensely

00:17:06.600 scared of covid, that I'm supposed to stay away from my neighbors.

00:17:09.560 I'm supposed to follow the stupid lines on the grocery store or I'm a grandma killer.

00:17:14.060 And then the trucker said no.

00:17:16.400 And the scales fell off everybody's eyes.

00:17:19.480 And it's the same thing.

00:17:20.840 It's why they don't want us talking to each other.

00:17:22.820 It's why they want to control the Internet. 0.98

00:17:25.280 Well, that's right.

00:17:25.900 And you see that also in now it's still happening in Ottawa.

00:17:30.000 You know, for example, they're having consultations with the public on, you know, their budget policies

00:17:35.460 and things.

00:17:36.140 But guess how they're doing it.

00:17:37.440 They don't just let you go to the microphone and talk.

00:17:39.860 Not anymore.

00:17:40.860 No.

00:17:42.220 Yeah, exactly.

00:17:43.260 After our success.

00:17:46.200 But yeah.

00:17:46.680 So what you have to do, I'm going to the the presentation for our award and it's actually

00:17:51.540 three words in one, eight, nine, sorry, seven, eight, nine here in Ottawa.

00:17:55.460 And you have to submit your questions in writing, which they'll put in a box and the counselors

00:18:00.480 will choose what questions are being asked.

00:18:04.400 Because, you know, if you get one person go to the microphone and say, you know, I think

00:18:08.220 this climate thing is insane.

00:18:10.100 You know, we haven't seen any warming for eight and a half years since, you know, and there's

00:18:13.920 been almost half a billion tons of carbon dioxide emitted.

00:18:17.300 Don't you think, Mr. Counselor, there might be something wrong with the theory?

00:18:21.060 What happens then is the next person in line thinks, damn, that's right.

00:18:25.220 You know, like, I think that person's right.

00:18:27.300 I'm going to ask a question that's on that side, too.

00:18:29.760 It's the same thing with call in talk radio.

00:18:32.340 You know, if you if there's a talk show, it's good to call in early on, because if you

00:18:37.620 express doubt against the politically correct position, whether it's drag queens or a million

00:18:42.520 different things, suddenly you find a lot of other people are inspired and they want

00:18:47.460 to phone in to say, yeah, I agree with that guy, you know, because you've broken the ice.

00:18:51.380 And that's one of the tricks, you know, you have to do if you're fighting against these

00:18:55.060 people is you have to get up and break the ice.

00:18:58.140 You know, you have to get up and say, yeah, I think that this climate change thing is insane.

00:19:03.220 You know, Sheila, I just want to read to you one of the reasons why more people aren't

00:19:07.160 breaking the ice.

00:19:08.080 OK, this is a story, it's in Epoch Times, and the name of the article is quite revealing.

00:19:14.680 As you can see, the communism behind environmentalism.

00:19:18.780 Anyway, they're talking about how many of the strategies used by the environmental extremists

00:19:23.200 and climate change are right out of the communist playbook.

00:19:26.460 And they talk about a Swedish meteorologist by the name of Lenart Bengtsson.

00:19:31.000 And when he wanted to join the Global Warming Policy Foundation as an advisor, he had to

00:19:37.400 resign only two weeks later.

00:19:39.120 And here's what he said in his resignation letter to the Global Warming Policy Foundation.

00:19:43.160 He said, I've been put under such enormous pressure, group pressure in recent days from

00:19:48.760 all over the world that it's become virtually unbearable to me.

00:19:52.400 If this is going to continue, I will be unable to conduct my normal work and will even have

00:19:57.040 to start to worry about my health and safety.

00:19:59.340 Now, this guy's a leading scientist.

00:20:01.600 He's a meteorologist from Sweden.

00:20:03.640 I see no other way out there, therefore, except for resigning from Global Warming Policy

00:20:09.040 Foundation, who are very good, by the way.

00:20:11.860 I had not expected such an enormous worldwide pressure put on me from the community that

00:20:17.220 I've been close to for all my active life.

00:20:19.580 Colleagues are withdrawing their support.

00:20:21.440 Other colleagues are withdrawing from joint authorship, et cetera.

00:20:25.620 And he goes on and talks about it.

00:20:27.360 And he says, he says, you know, I used to think that this was a peaceful community.

00:20:31.520 Apparently, it's being transformed in recent years.

00:20:34.760 And that, of course, is right out of the communist playbook.

00:20:37.240 You demonize your opponents.

00:20:39.780 You attack them.

00:20:41.100 And you scare the daylights out of them.

00:20:43.740 I mean, that sounds like a struggle session.

00:20:46.660 Sounds like the poor guy came out the other end of a struggle session.

00:20:49.500 Yeah, and all he did is he wanted to join this group that is seriously looking at the

00:20:54.440 data.

00:20:55.320 And the data is what's really important.

00:20:57.380 And that's what our climate fact check is about.

00:20:59.580 We're saying, OK, you think that, for example, there is reducing snow over Canada.

00:21:05.920 And I don't know if I ever told you this, but a few years ago, Ecology Ottawa had a session

00:21:11.100 at the National Aviation Museum.

00:21:13.000 And they were bringing in skiers from across the country, world-class Olympic skiers, talking

00:21:18.280 about the end of snow in Canada.

00:21:20.540 So before the event, I actually looked up.

00:21:22.640 And you can see on the Snow and Ice data center that snow has been actually increasing over

00:21:27.600 the decades, actually for 30 years.

00:21:30.620 There's been a gradual increase.

00:21:32.480 So I called Ecology Ottawa ahead of time.

00:21:34.440 And I said, are you going to bring in a scientist to talk about the real state of the climate?

00:21:40.040 And of course, they wouldn't.

00:21:41.240 So it's funny, about 500 people were there.

00:21:44.460 And I got up to the microphone and I asked the skiers on stage, I said, how do you feel

00:21:49.620 about the fact that they haven't brought in a scientist who can tell you that snow cover

00:21:54.180 is actually rising for decades across North America?

00:21:58.460 And oh, my God, it was like I was in some weird cult.

00:22:02.120 People were so angry.

00:22:03.960 You know, one woman in the front row, she stood up and she shook her fist at me and she 1.00

00:22:07.360 said, go home.

00:22:08.400 I said, well, look, check the Snow and Ice data center.

00:22:11.580 It's right there.

00:22:12.460 I mean, I agree it would be really bad if there was, you know, less and less snow.

00:22:16.740 If you're a skier, that would be a problem.

00:22:18.640 And I'm a skier.

00:22:19.620 OK, but it's not happening.

00:22:22.000 It isn't happening.

00:22:23.200 And they were just furious.

00:22:24.800 You know, I thought I was going to be assaulted, actually.

00:22:26.920 And it's interesting that I was there with a really big Egyptian friend of mine.

00:22:31.500 And that might be one of the reasons I wasn't attacked.

00:22:33.780 Like Henny, you know, a big, strong guy.

00:22:36.160 And he had his little son there with him.

00:22:38.000 I guess he was about 12.

00:22:39.620 And they had just come from Egypt.

00:22:41.540 And his son was shocked.

00:22:43.120 He said, I came to Canada.

00:22:44.700 I thought I was getting away from this dictatorial, you know, thought suppression.

00:22:49.340 And he was astounded.

00:22:51.160 And so we have to be careful, you know, because our fathers and grandfathers and mothers, they

00:22:55.640 all fought to keep us free.

00:22:57.780 We have to use that freedom by breaking the ice and asking questions that are really hard.

00:23:02.640 And that's, of course, what we're doing here in Ottawa.

00:23:05.180 And we're hoping to spread that out across Canada.

00:23:08.680 Now, your climate change fact check is always so great because you go through some of the

00:23:13.660 most ridiculous claims.

00:23:15.320 And they really are ridiculous when they're made.

00:23:19.200 But the environmentalist left is always making ridiculous claims so much so that when they

00:23:25.000 make them, you're just like, well, it's another crazy thing those cultists said.

00:23:28.400 But you actually sat down, documented them, and debunked them along with some other organizations.

00:23:34.420 The one that I really appreciate is this gas stoves and childhood asthma one.

00:23:39.620 Because when you dig down on this, it's China behind it. 0.94

00:23:44.580 Um, and I have a real tough time worrying about childhood asthma when the people who worked 1.00

00:23:50.380 in collaboration to develop this study, um, still allow people to just open air, burn

00:23:57.560 things inside their house for home eating.

00:24:00.080 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:24:01.380 I mean, you know, you only get asthma.

00:24:03.620 I mean, it's a genetic condition, and it's triggered by some sort of allergen.

00:24:07.300 Okay, now the allergens could be things like pollen or dust or mold or pet band or things

00:24:12.200 like that, you know, but gas stoves don't actually give out any pollen or, you know, dust or things

00:24:18.820 like they actually give out things that could be serious as problems for pollution, if your

00:24:24.820 gas stove is not properly maintained.

00:24:26.860 Obviously, they give out carbon monoxide, nitrous oxide, things like that, nitrogen oxide, I should

00:24:31.740 say, particulate matter.

00:24:33.140 And if you don't have a properly, uh, service stove, yeah, you could actually emit some pollutants.

00:24:39.540 But the bottom line is this whole claim of asthma.

00:24:42.820 I mean, that's ridiculous.

00:24:44.300 It doesn't make any sense because there are no allergens that are emitted from, from gas

00:24:48.900 stoves.

00:24:49.500 I think to a large extent, they're just trying to stop us using anything, fossil fuels of

00:24:55.280 all kinds, coal, natural gas oil.

00:24:57.600 And, you know, now they're targeting our gas stoves.

00:25:00.580 I mean, well, and this claim wouldn't be, uh, I mean, it's particularly outlandish.

00:25:06.440 The problem is it fell on the ears of some very important people.

00:25:09.800 So it was, um, the consumer product safety commissioner, Richard Trump guy is the guy who

00:25:15.360 floated this idea as a serious policy option.

00:25:19.060 But when you look at the green group behind the study he cited, um, I think they're called

00:25:24.060 the Rocky Mountain Institute, they partnered with China on, on this study, um, the, the

00:25:30.660 free beacon, the free beacon dug into this and they said, well, where is this stupid study

00:25:34.740 coming from that Richard Trumpka is citing?

00:25:37.340 And it was the Rocky Mountain Institute.

00:25:39.160 And they partnered with China to demonize Western fossil fuels.

00:25:43.860 Imagine that.

00:25:45.060 Yeah.

00:25:45.220 I didn't know that China had that connection, but I'm not surprised. 0.99

00:25:48.300 I mean, the whole climate scare is hugely beneficial to them, you know, because we'll be shutting

00:25:53.500 down more and more of our industry and we have to get, you know, import more and more

00:25:58.320 things from China.

00:25:59.280 The other thing, of course, Sheila, is that if we actually went to the, uh, just transition

00:26:04.080 and I loved your interview with, um, Chris Sims from the Taxpayer Federation two weeks ago,

00:26:09.040 it was really great.

00:26:09.840 It's, it's anything but just, but regardless, if we actually went to that and we really did

00:26:15.480 the things that they want to do, we'd have more and more wind and solar power.

00:26:19.000 We'd be more reliant on China for the raw materials, you know, and this is where I think

00:26:24.540 many on the left who are, you know, good in their heart, they're ignorant with respect

00:26:28.420 to the actual facts, but they really do want to help social justice and environmental protection.

00:26:34.760 I mean, they simply don't understand that if you're making electric vehicles, for example,

00:26:40.580 you need cobalt for the batteries.

00:26:42.480 And that cobalt comes from tens of thousands of children mining in very dangerous and unhealthy

00:26:48.180 conditions in China.

00:26:49.740 They're breathing radioactive dust and, you know, very low technology.

00:26:54.100 Easily, you could have lots of cave-ins and guess who runs the mines?

00:26:58.740 It's China. 0.90

00:26:59.880 Okay.

00:27:00.200 And then China ships the cobalt to China and, uh, you know, they make batteries almost undoubtedly

00:27:06.260 using very low conditions for slave labor, who knows what.

00:27:10.160 So, I mean, this is a huge benefit to China, you know, and, and I should tell you one other

00:27:15.360 quick thing.

00:27:15.940 And that is, how did I finally come over to climate realism?

00:27:20.800 Yeah.

00:27:21.260 Yeah.

00:27:21.840 Because in 1990 and 1991, I was speaking at Earth Day here in Ottawa, and I was talking

00:27:28.360 about how the space program actually helps us solve environmental problems.

00:27:33.240 And the major thing I was talking about was something called comparative planetology, which

00:27:38.340 means that we study the planets and we learn things, other planets, we learn things that

00:27:43.300 we can apply here on the Earth.

00:27:44.780 And I actually had an article published in the Ottawa Citizen, and I made various points,

00:27:49.420 you know, which were correct.

00:27:51.080 But one point I said, in retrospect, was totally wrong.

00:27:54.640 I said that Venus gives us a warning as to what could happen on the Earth if we have highly

00:28:00.180 concentrated carbon dioxide.

00:28:02.900 And a professor at Carleton University, Tim Patterson, he actually used my article in

00:28:08.040 his course, but he said to the students, what happened on Venus cannot happen on the Earth,

00:28:13.880 okay?

00:28:14.300 He liked the other parts of my article, but he said it cannot happen.

00:28:17.240 And he explained why.

00:28:18.060 I mean, there's a whole lot of reasons.

00:28:19.240 For example, Venus has no oceans to absorb carbon dioxide, and it has no plate tectonics, which

00:28:25.980 is important on Earth, because otherwise the CO2 that goes into the ocean and then eventually

00:28:30.660 is deposited by calcium carbonate into limestone in the base of the ocean, eventually the floor

00:28:36.880 of the ocean would become saturated, and that would be it.

00:28:39.500 It couldn't absorb any more.

00:28:40.840 But we have plate tectonics, so that plate pulls down into the ocean.

00:28:44.460 You get refreshed, new surface of the bottom of the ocean, which can then absorb more carbon

00:28:49.480 dioxide from the ocean.

00:28:51.040 So because Venus is, first of all, much closer to the sun than us, that might have something

00:28:55.220 to do with the heat.

00:28:56.220 Just a little something.

00:28:57.360 Venus has a very slow day.

00:28:59.640 It takes literally months to turn around once.

00:29:02.560 So unlike the Earth, which cools down every 24 hours because we're facing away from the

00:29:07.020 sun, Venus really, really cooks.

00:29:09.640 But also it has oceans and it has plate tectonics.

00:29:13.780 So what happened on Venus simply cannot happen on the Earth, no matter how high CO2 goes.

00:29:19.760 And at first I wondered, who's this climate change denier?

00:29:23.160 I thought it was all true.

00:29:26.380 And he invited me into his lab and he showed me the research that he's doing.

00:29:30.360 And oh, how about that?

00:29:32.580 When you look at the geologic record, you don't see the CO2 temperature connection.

00:29:39.440 In fact, what you do see is that CO2 was as much as 1,300% of today.

00:29:44.940 Now, you know, they talk often about a 50% rise since 1880.

00:29:48.580 50% rise.

00:29:49.640 That's a catastrophe.

00:29:50.540 Well, no, it's not.

00:29:52.220 And we know that's not because it was as much as 1,300% higher sometime in the last half

00:29:58.640 billion years.

00:29:59.380 And the thing that really struck out to me was 440 million years ago, the Earth was in

00:30:06.720 its coldest period of the last half billion years.

00:30:10.000 And we can only go back about a half a billion years because they use fossilized seashells.

00:30:15.100 They grind them up and they analyze the oxygen isotopes in them.

00:30:18.540 And they can actually tell what the kind of temperature was like.

00:30:21.520 But regardless, so that's as far back as we can go, about at most 600 million years.

00:30:26.900 So what we find is that at 440 million years ago, we were stuck in something much worse than

00:30:32.780 an ice age.

00:30:33.440 We were stuck in what's called an ice house.

00:30:36.700 Ice houses last for millions of years.

00:30:39.560 And there are some scientists who believe that the Earth was covered totally, the oceans

00:30:44.060 included, with ice at times during the ice house period.

00:30:47.860 So they lasted for millions of years.

00:30:49.760 They were much colder than the glacials that we experienced in North America, let's say,

00:30:53.880 25,000 years ago.

00:30:55.140 And guess what?

00:30:57.100 CO2 was about 10 times as high as it is today.

00:31:00.760 And that was the coldest period in the geologic record.

00:31:03.900 So, you know, talking to other geologists, Ian Clark at Ottawa U, you know, various geologists,

00:31:09.500 these are the people that are never interviewed by Al Gore or by, you know, the various UN groups.

00:31:16.320 They don't talk to the geologists because the geologists have a living record, a real record

00:31:21.300 of what happened in the past when CO2 was much higher.

00:31:25.340 And the truth is, there were times when CO2 was high and temperature was high.

00:31:29.500 There are times when CO2 was high and temperature was low.

00:31:32.360 And there are times when they're both in the middle.

00:31:34.000 I mean, there's no correlation, okay?

00:31:36.380 There's no correlation, except that occasionally you see it actually CO2 rising centuries after

00:31:43.900 temperature rises.

00:31:45.780 So in other words, it's a reverse correlation to what the UN are saying.

00:31:49.040 And it makes sense.

00:31:50.160 If you take a glass of pop out of the fridge and you put it on the counter and you let it

00:31:54.780 warm up, it releases its carbon dioxide because carbon dioxide, you know, it can't hold as

00:32:00.460 much CO2 when it warms up.

00:32:02.040 And that's the same with the oceans.

00:32:03.420 As the oceans warm, they actually release CO2.

00:32:06.220 And you do see that at times in the record.

00:32:08.540 But generally speaking, there is no correlation.

00:32:10.880 And that is real-world data.

00:32:14.000 Once again, we're back to this whole thing.

00:32:15.880 The group leader is always right.

00:32:18.020 Well, no, Mr. Gore.

00:32:19.840 Take a look at the actual record.

00:32:21.720 You can have all the computer models in the world that show that there's a positive feedback,

00:32:26.640 that a little bit of warming is going to lead to a lot more and a lot more.

00:32:29.320 But that doesn't happen in the real world, okay?

00:32:32.920 In the real world, geologists know that there is no connection between, you know, it's not

00:32:38.960 driving climate change.

00:32:40.120 It just isn't there, okay?

00:32:42.020 So when people actually say, well, what is the foundation of the climate scare if you're

00:32:46.140 not looking at the motivations?

00:32:47.560 And we can talk about that in a second.

00:32:49.460 But the real thing that's driving the climate scare is computerized climate models, okay?

00:32:55.540 That's the only thing, because if you actually look at the data, and that's the whole point

00:32:59.940 of our climate fact check.

00:33:01.900 Look at the data, you know?

00:33:03.240 For example, there has been zero records set, extreme weather records set, in the entire

00:33:09.060 United States on a state-by-state basis.

00:33:12.020 Now, think about that.

00:33:12.760 That's pretty significant.

00:33:14.140 They record all sorts of things.

00:33:16.040 Maximum temperature, minimum temperature, most rain, most snow, highest wind, biggest hailstone,

00:33:21.020 and on and on, okay?

00:33:22.320 For every state in the union.

00:33:23.940 So you've got hundreds and hundreds of records that could be set every year.

00:33:28.860 So statistically, since they've had the records only since 1880, you have to say, well, then

00:33:33.900 you'd expect to have three or four records set every year, because there's 50 states and

00:33:39.080 at least five records per state.

00:33:41.300 Guess what?

00:33:41.980 In 2022, there were zero records set.

00:33:46.460 There were none.

00:33:47.940 And yet, NOAA, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, they say extreme weather is

00:33:53.720 driving, or climate change is driving extreme weather.

00:33:57.300 You say, yeah, but they set no records.

00:33:59.900 So I did a search to find out, okay, what happened in the 1930s?

00:34:03.860 It turns out in 1936, 1936 in the middle of the Dust Bowl, there were 27 state records set,

00:34:12.360 27 in one year in comparison with zero last year.

00:34:15.800 And those records still stand.

00:34:18.880 So here we have what is probably the best database in the world, and the facts don't match the

00:34:24.480 theory.

00:34:25.280 But they don't care.

00:34:26.820 They still charge ahead with these ridiculous computer models that in the last 30 years have

00:34:32.120 forecast triple the warming that actually occurred.

00:34:35.820 Now, I don't know about you, Sheila, but if I had a stockbroker who every time he made the

00:34:39.940 forecast, he was out by 300%, I think I'd change stockbrokers.

00:34:46.040 Yeah.

00:34:46.800 But again, like a cult, they just continue to put more faith in these people.

00:34:51.280 And they just, it's like they feel like they're not believing hard enough.

00:34:56.080 So if they just believe hard enough and force the rest of us to believe along with them,

00:35:00.580 that maybe their doomsday predictions will come to fruition.

00:35:04.080 And, you know, as you point out in your climate change fact check, it's so often, for some

00:35:09.020 reason, they use animals as their, I want to say their avatar of what they're up to.

00:35:18.220 Polar bears, definitely.

00:35:19.480 For years, they've been saying, you know, like every time you see a sickly polar bear, that's

00:35:23.360 indicative of my comfortable SUV doing bad things to the climate, as though polar bears

00:35:28.820 don't get old and sick like every animal at the end of their life.

00:35:32.240 Um, and apparently they've found a reason to care about migratory birds, which is odd

00:35:37.840 because these are the people also putting up windmills.

00:35:40.700 Yeah.

00:35:41.980 Well, yeah, exactly.

00:35:43.700 And, and, you know, the polar bear situation is kind of interesting because in 1950, there

00:35:48.440 were about a quarter of the number of polar bears there are now.

00:35:52.380 So, yeah, we take a lot more polar bears.

00:35:55.660 You might remember Bob Carter was our science leader for a long time.

00:35:59.380 And sadly, he passed away.

00:36:00.460 It's amazing, Sheila, how many of these characters are passing away now.

00:36:03.900 I mean, Dr. Ball, as we talked about last time, he passed away, sadly, about three or

00:36:08.640 four months ago.

00:36:09.500 And Dr. Jay Lair, he passed away on the 11th of January.

00:36:12.820 Terrible.

00:36:13.240 So, and the sad thing is we don't see the young scientists standing up and taking their

00:36:18.820 place.

00:36:19.300 And I think it's partly because when I went through college and university, the climate

00:36:24.960 scare, you know, it didn't exist.

00:36:26.520 I mean, they were actually worried about global cooling.

00:36:28.520 You might remember Leonard Nimoy talking about the end of the world from global cooling.

00:36:32.880 So we weren't all indoctrinated with this.

00:36:35.240 But the people coming through university now are almost universally indoctrinated into the

00:36:40.820 climate scare.

00:36:41.520 So whether they actually believe it or they're just too frightened to actually say it, you

00:36:46.740 know, a friend of mine is a professor at Calgary University, and I won't say what field she's

00:36:52.660 in because it would kind of narrow her down.

00:36:54.540 But she signed an open letter to Stephen Harper when he was prime minister.

00:36:59.400 And I asked her, I said, do you have any knowledge or expertise in the causes of climate change?

00:37:05.260 And she said, no.

00:37:07.400 I said, well, then why did you sign this open letter?

00:37:10.220 And she said, well, you know, the chairman signed it and I'm a junior professor.

00:37:14.120 And well, you know, I sort of had to go along.

00:37:16.720 So I think what's happening is two things.

00:37:19.420 First of all, a lot of the young scientists have been indoctrinated because they went through

00:37:24.440 the school system.

00:37:25.560 My eldest child is 29.

00:37:27.880 And, you know, when she was going through the high school, for example, it was heavily

00:37:32.360 climate.

00:37:32.880 They were forced to watch Al Gore's film.

00:37:36.100 My son, too.

00:37:37.620 Yeah.

00:37:38.020 I think she said they had to watch it three times.

00:37:40.280 I can't remember.

00:37:41.160 But, you know, I went into a parent teacher night and was sitting in her chair, you know,

00:37:45.680 like we were students.

00:37:46.540 It was kind of fun.

00:37:47.740 And her biology teacher was talking and asking us if we had questions.

00:37:51.240 So I put up my hand and I said, oh, are you teaching both sides of the climate debate?

00:37:55.560 And she was, oh, my God.

00:37:57.520 No, of course not.

00:37:58.900 I would not teach the denier side.

00:38:00.820 You know, she was like, so I said, whoa, OK, I won't say any more about this because

00:38:05.200 I didn't want my daughter to be penalized.

00:38:08.300 And actually, you know, that's the thing is I think many students who, like Tom McDonald,

00:38:13.040 are actually questioning, you know, a lot of these things.

00:38:16.380 They're probably afraid to speak out.

00:38:17.780 But my little Arab friend, you know, the son of my friend, Hany, he asked me, he said, I'm

00:38:23.320 hearing all this loony stuff in high school about climate change.

00:38:26.860 What should I do?

00:38:27.760 Should I tell the teacher I disagree?

00:38:29.720 Oh, no, don't do that.

00:38:31.880 Because, you know, you want to pass your grades.

00:38:34.320 So I think a lot of what's happened is that the students have come through and they either

00:38:38.840 believe it, even though they're scientists, you know, they maybe haven't dug into the data

00:38:42.900 or, in fact, they are too afraid to bring it up.

00:38:47.060 You know, even really smart people like Ian Clark at Ottawa University, he says point blank

00:38:52.440 that he used to support the climate scare until he dug into the data.

00:38:57.300 And then he came to realize, oh, this doesn't make any sense.

00:39:01.120 And so, you know, I really encourage people, you know, look at ICSC-climate.com, which is

00:39:07.680 the homepage of our ICSC primarily U.S. focus group.

00:39:11.480 And we have the climate fact check right there.

00:39:14.200 And people can look at it.

00:39:15.320 And if you disagree with what we've said, you know, send us an email and we'll share

00:39:20.280 with you all the data, et cetera, because the data just does not support the climate

00:39:24.280 scare.

00:39:24.780 You know, it's funny.

00:39:25.920 We were interviewing Peter Ridd, who had all his troubles at James Cook University, because

00:39:30.400 he was, of course, disagreeing with political correctness on his specialty.

00:39:34.540 And that was the coral reef.

00:39:36.600 And he told us, actually, in our interview just a few weeks ago, he said, you realize we're

00:39:41.400 now measuring more coral on the Great Barrier Reef than we ever have, ever.

00:39:49.100 So and you find that all over the place.

00:39:51.620 You know, sea level, it's not accelerating.

00:39:53.760 It's been rising gradually since the end of the last glacial.

00:39:56.680 There have been times when sea level rise was a problem.

00:40:00.720 If you go back 8,000 years ago, sea level was rising 10 times faster than today.

00:40:06.220 Today, it's seven to nine inches per century, that kind of thing.

00:40:09.820 Well, when it's rising 10 times that, it could be a serious problem.

00:40:14.000 But today, it's just not happening.

00:40:16.500 It isn't happening.

00:40:17.500 So the whole point of this is that it's a cult.

00:40:21.140 The data does not support what they're saying, but it doesn't matter.

00:40:25.460 Yeah, and it's funny because you can see who is willing to talk about the science.

00:40:34.060 There's the science is settled side.

00:40:35.920 And then there's the, as Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science always puts it, the

00:40:39.280 open civil debate side.

00:40:41.060 Like, look, we just want to talk about it.

00:40:42.460 We just want to show you why we think the way we do so that you understand us and where

00:40:48.880 we're coming from.

00:40:49.520 And the other side doesn't even want to get there.

00:40:52.400 I mean, for Michelle, she's like, I'm not trying to convince anybody.

00:40:56.040 I just want to talk to them.

00:40:57.680 But they don't even want to talk to me.

00:40:59.900 And I think a lot of grassroots conservatives agree with Michelle, because, you know, we

00:41:04.480 had a booth at the Strong and Free Networking Conference last year.

00:41:08.280 And, you know, we had a big poster saying there's no climate crisis.

00:41:11.760 Check the data.

00:41:12.800 You know, that kind of thing.

00:41:14.000 And, you know, we had hundreds of grassroots conservatives, people who had science degrees,

00:41:18.820 people who didn't coming up to us and saying, yeah, you're really right.

00:41:21.920 And we wish our leaders would say this.

00:41:24.440 Just down the hall, they had a special session about a conservative approach to stopping climate

00:41:30.300 change.

00:41:31.280 And, of course, I was sitting in the front row and I was going to say, what the heck are

00:41:35.220 you guys talking about?

00:41:36.720 Well, of course, they were going to have a question period.

00:41:38.760 They may have seen me in the front row because, of course, they skipped a question period.

00:41:42.280 So I buttonholed the chairman of the whole session.

00:41:45.820 And I said to him, do you think that we're having dangerous human-caused climate change?

00:41:50.440 And he said, no.

00:41:51.900 So I said, well, then why do you have a session on a conservative solution to a problem you

00:41:56.320 don't think exists?

00:41:57.500 And here's what he said.

00:41:58.900 He said, well, we fought that war and we lost.

00:42:02.540 So we're trying to minimize the damage by advocating things like the conservatives say,

00:42:08.280 actually, in their current policy plan.

00:42:10.120 I'll just read what they say.

00:42:12.000 They say in their current policy book.

00:42:15.420 OK, you can see it on the web right now.

00:42:17.120 It says, we believe that an effective international emissions reduction regime on climate change

00:42:22.560 must be truly global and include binding targets, et cetera, et cetera.

00:42:27.120 OK, so, I mean, that was from 2008.

00:42:30.920 OK, now, I don't believe anything's changed because Pierre Polyev, during his run to be

00:42:36.320 leader of the Conservative Party, I attended several of his presentations.

00:42:39.860 He was saying we have to have sequestration storing carbon dioxide underground.

00:42:44.420 Well, what if it's not a threat?

00:42:47.260 What are you doing?

00:42:48.080 You know, it's just going to increase electricity costs.

00:42:50.200 Essentially, carbon sequestration means no coal because coal becomes too expensive then.

00:42:56.200 And, you know, Alberta has lots of coal.

00:42:58.160 We should be using coal.

00:42:59.640 He also supports electric vehicles.

00:43:01.700 He wants people to be pushed off of coal onto natural gas.

00:43:05.340 And natural gas is fine.

00:43:06.460 But to a certain extent, using natural gas where you could use coal is kind of a reverse

00:43:13.280 Midas touch.

00:43:14.720 Right.

00:43:15.060 It's turning gold into lead because you can actually get baseload power very solid from

00:43:21.140 coal and save your natural gas for home heating, for pharmaceuticals, for its special uses.

00:43:27.500 And, you know, so I'm, you know, really sad that, in fact, the Conservative, the grassroots

00:43:32.920 are being betrayed.

00:43:34.160 Their leaders are not standing up and say, look, this whole thing is wrong.

00:43:38.640 And we've got tons of research to show you.

00:43:41.460 You know, this is the Non-Governmental International Panel on Climate Change report.

00:43:45.960 Thousands of peer-reviewed studies.

00:43:48.140 Why aren't the Conservatives holding that up and saying this whole thing is bunk?

00:43:52.820 OK, let's dump it.

00:43:54.080 People forget that Donald Trump got elected as a climate skeptic.

00:43:59.640 But Stephen Harper, somewhat before he became prime minister, had said the whole thing, Kyoto,

00:44:06.140 is a money-sucking socialist scheme.

00:44:08.460 And he became prime minister.

00:44:10.440 So the whole idea that you have to, you know, basically become a useful idiot and support the

00:44:16.600 people who are trying to destroy Canada.

00:44:19.100 No, stop it.

00:44:20.720 And where has all their mitigating the damage gotten us?

00:44:25.140 No pipelines, no coal, and a carbon tax that makes life in Canada so expensive that we're

00:44:32.840 in an inflationary crisis.

00:44:34.060 So all of their capitulating and trying to mitigate the damage in the last 10 years, what

00:44:39.300 has any of it done?

00:44:40.640 What has any of it done?

00:44:41.880 Yeah.

00:44:42.240 And, you know, you did that interview with Chris Sims.

00:44:44.580 It was wonderful because you showed the real cost of what happens when you capitulate to

00:44:49.860 the climate scare.

00:44:51.140 It'll ruin Canada, literally.

00:44:53.440 And, you know, it's about darn time that the Conservatives started to use the available

00:44:59.080 tools.

00:44:59.680 I mean, that's a tank.

00:45:00.640 It's being parked in their driveway.

00:45:02.040 Use it.

00:45:04.080 Tom, I could clearly talk to you all day.

00:45:06.360 But I want to make this easy for the viewer to watch and listen to.

00:45:13.320 Tom, how do people find your work and support the important work that you're doing?

00:45:18.100 Because you are one of literally a palmful, not even a handful, a palmful of independent

00:45:25.000 groups trying to provide some counterbalance to the prevailing climate scare nonsense of

00:45:30.720 the day.

00:45:31.820 Yeah, exactly.

00:45:32.380 People should go to icsc-canada.com for the Canadian version.

00:45:38.120 And that's, of course, the one that I'm speaking most to Canadians about, because we rely entirely

00:45:42.960 on donations, whether it's five bucks or five thousand bucks.

00:45:46.480 We have no government support.

00:45:48.120 You know, we have no industry support.

00:45:49.920 We need your support because we're going to do a lot more of this as as the time unfolds.

00:45:54.980 We're going to be actually trying to do what we did in Ottawa in other cities.

00:45:58.840 Calgary being a good target with your eighty seven billion dollar climate plan and insane

00:46:04.460 mayor.

00:46:05.000 The mayor is absolutely insane.

00:46:07.220 Right.

00:46:07.640 So, yeah, donate because without your money, we can't do it.

00:46:12.020 Well, Tom, thank you so much for your hard work on this and just bringing some sanity and

00:46:16.320 common sense to the whole mess.

00:46:18.000 And again, back to the theme of this being a cult.

00:46:21.380 Is the carbon tax anything but a tithe to the weather gods?

00:46:26.440 Well, it isn't.

00:46:27.320 I mean, it's going to do nothing to stop climate change, even if you believe the U.N.'s

00:46:31.700 climate theories.

00:46:32.520 I mean, it'll have no impact whatsoever.

00:46:35.080 Canada's one point six percent of world emissions.

00:46:37.260 So what if we could disappear, it would make no difference.

00:46:40.460 But if you understand that the whole thing is a hoax, then indeed you realize the carbon

00:46:45.200 tax is totally wrong.

00:46:46.300 So we don't need a conservative approach.

00:46:48.460 They haven't fought the war.

00:46:50.100 It's about time they fought it.

00:46:51.620 The left have been very aggressive.

00:46:53.580 We've been way too passive.

00:46:55.160 Tom, thanks so much.

00:46:57.460 We'll have you back on the show very, very soon.

00:46:59.920 OK, thank you.

00:47:01.140 Thanks, Tom.

00:47:01.500 Well, friends, this is the portion of the show where we go looking for your viewer

00:47:13.140 feedback.

00:47:13.680 I say it every week.

00:47:14.420 I probably sound like a broken record, but I actually care about what you think about

00:47:17.200 the work that we're doing here at Rebel News and the stories that we cover and the people

00:47:20.220 that we interview.

00:47:21.460 And so here's when I give out my email address at Sheila at Rebel News dot com.

00:47:25.860 Put gun show letters in the subject line so that I can find it because I do get sometimes

00:47:30.720 hundreds of emails a day and it gets a little difficult to weed through.

00:47:35.300 But don't hesitate to leave a comment on one of the platforms where you're watching us like

00:47:40.960 Rumble and YouTube.

00:47:42.480 Even though YouTube is a censorship platform, sometimes I do go looking for comments in their

00:47:47.800 comments section.

00:47:48.860 Um, just because YouTube is bad, well, that doesn't really mean the people who watch things

00:47:54.760 on YouTube are bad.

00:47:55.960 So if you're watching the free version of the show, just leave a comment there and I'll

00:47:58.980 check it out.

00:47:59.960 Well, tonight's letter comes to me by a very staunch supporter of us here at Rebel News

00:48:07.620 and a supporter of my work at Rebel News, in particular, a regular viewer of the gun show

00:48:14.280 and I appreciate him so much.

00:48:16.000 It's Bruce from Radway, Alberta, and his cat Delta, who Bruce always signs off his emails

00:48:23.680 to me, um, with a special greeting from his cat.

00:48:27.280 And, uh, Bruce writes me saying, I loved your interview with Corey Morgan.

00:48:32.240 Now, Corey Morgan is a columnist with the Western Standard and he has a brand new book.

00:48:37.440 It's called The Sovereintist Handbook.

00:48:38.940 And the book examines the problem of taking a people who loosely have a common idea and

00:48:48.780 getting them to sort of all march in the same direction.

00:48:52.320 But the problem with this common group of people with a common idea is that they don't

00:48:57.560 like to do things in groups and the reason, and their common idea is they don't like being

00:49:01.680 told what to do by anybody, but especially Ottawa.

00:49:04.960 So it's sort of antithetical to these people to organize them all going in the same direction.

00:49:12.640 And so his book, The Sovereintist Handbook, examines the common goals of people who may

00:49:18.980 describe themselves as sovereigntists or separatists or independence-minded people and

00:49:23.920 how to, how to advance the movement and to maybe proselytize the movement a little bit

00:49:31.020 so that they can, well, it's frankly, it's an, it's a normalized philosophy here in Alberta,

00:49:37.100 but how do they get legislative and policy change?

00:49:41.080 Now, Bruce writes, Corey's right, that now is not the time for Alberta to become independent.

00:49:46.400 But if Daniel Smith, that's our new premier, goes rogue on us again, that will be the time

00:49:50.500 we can call for independence from the ball and chain that is Ottawa, you know, that is

00:49:53.540 true.

00:49:53.820 For a lot of people who would describe themselves as Western independence people, a lot of them

00:50:02.560 just wanted a premier who would fight back.

00:50:05.280 And Daniel Smith is doing that.

00:50:06.900 And she's put it into legislation that it is the duty of the province to fight back against

00:50:12.580 Ottawa anytime that Ottawa encroaches on provincial jurisdiction.

00:50:17.340 And for a lot of people, that's all they ever wanted, something more intangible than previous

00:50:25.180 premier Jason Kenney's strongly worded letters to Justin Trudeau that you definitely know Justin

00:50:29.680 Trudeau never bothered to read.

00:50:31.420 So, I mean, time will tell.

00:50:33.340 But as with the previous premier Jason Kenney, who seemed quite freedom-minded and strong in the

00:50:43.240 beginning, always prepare yourselves to be let down by politicians because that is indeed

00:50:48.960 what they tend to do.

00:50:51.140 Bruce also writes, also with the Thorhild County land use bylaw, it was defeated and is going

00:50:57.360 back for a rewrite.

00:50:58.380 No progress on keeping the post office yet.

00:51:00.700 So, if you are in Albertan, and I know people outside of Alberta watch the show and I thank you

00:51:07.180 for that, but Thorhild County is a county just to the north of me, very, very rural, very sparsely

00:51:14.000 populated, just a couple of what I would legally call hamlets, but they're really not even

00:51:20.940 municipalities.

00:51:21.820 They have a post office, right?

00:51:25.480 And the county itself, which is an enormous county with almost no people, and it's largely

00:51:32.720 agricultural, they decided to do a land use bylaw rewrite.

00:51:39.780 And from what I understand, although I can't confirm it, and I can get to the reason for that

00:51:44.000 in a second, there were some really crazy urbanist things shoehorned into it.

00:51:49.640 And from what I understand, the company involved in the rewrite is a company based in India that

00:51:56.380 works normally with large municipalities, or at least municipalities that have something

00:52:02.300 resembling a town, which is not really Thorhild County.

00:52:06.520 Like I said, they have a couple of hamlets, and that's it.

00:52:09.920 And I went looking the other day after I saw that the land use bylaw had been defeated after

00:52:15.760 public outrage, and the outrage spread outside of Thorhild County because other rural people

00:52:21.980 said, oh my God, what are they trying to tell us?

00:52:25.400 Is this going to come to my rural community?

00:52:28.000 Are they going to tell me that I have to ask permission before I can put chickens on

00:52:32.800 my farm or put barbed wire up or other things that I have heard were in this bill or the

00:52:40.160 use bylaw?

00:52:42.440 And I went looking for it because I wanted to confirm the things that I had heard and

00:52:46.360 seen.

00:52:47.200 Here's the problem.

00:52:49.200 The land use bylaw has been pulled down.

00:52:53.220 So the proposed one, I can't go looking to see what caused the outrage.

00:52:56.800 It's just gone.

00:52:59.660 Now I can find the 2015 bylaw that the county is operating under right now, and it looks

00:53:05.960 reasonable.

00:53:06.560 I don't know why they had to rewrite it, but they did, and they hired an outside firm to

00:53:11.680 do it from what I understand.

00:53:13.660 So where's that land use bylaw?

00:53:15.980 If you're rewriting it, can't I see the original draft?

00:53:18.960 I guess not.

00:53:20.100 The good news is I filed for access for it, and I've also gone looking for a contract

00:53:26.880 for this foreign company.

00:53:28.440 If indeed they contracted with this foreign company, I can't really tell right now.

00:53:33.700 I want to know how much Thorhild County paid, if anything, to a foreign company to rewrite

00:53:40.680 the land use bylaws for farmers in this rural community in Alberta.

00:53:46.440 Because I want to make sure it never happens again.

00:53:49.900 And I think sunlight is the best disinfectant.

00:53:52.260 And frankly, I think Thorhild County knows that, which is why I can't find a copy of the

00:53:56.980 proposed land use bylaw anywhere.

00:53:59.260 Anyway, I will stay on the case, although it may seem like I'm not working on it.

00:54:03.680 I am quietly but furiously working on it in the background.

00:54:06.460 Thanks for the letter, Bruce, and thank you, Delta.

00:54:10.580 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:54:12.200 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:54:13.620 Thank you, Jessie, by the way, my producer, who works really hard behind the scenes to

00:54:17.880 put my show together.

00:54:20.100 I don't thank him enough.

00:54:22.440 Well, I'll see you back here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:54:26.740 And remember, as always, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:54:30.640 Thank you.

00:55:00.640 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - February 16, 2023

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Are climate change true believers part of some quasi-religious cult？

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