Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID： Justice Rouleau rules that Trudeau's cowardly use of the Emergencies Act was ＂justified＂

00:00:00.000 justice paul rouleau has issued his ruling that the invocation of the emergencies act by the

00:00:19.600 coward justin trudeau was justified are you as unsurprised as me then barry cooper and marco

00:00:25.540 navarrojini joined me to discuss their new book canada's covid the story of a pandemic moral

00:00:30.500 panic it's february 17th 2023 i'm sheila gun reed and you're watching the ezra levant show

00:00:36.760 shame on you you sensorious bug

00:00:43.040 after careful reflection i have concluded that the very high threshold required for the invocation

00:00:58.940 of the act was met in particular for reasons that i discuss in detail in the report i've concluded

00:01:07.360 that when the decision was made to invoke the act on february 14th 2022 cabinet had reasonable grounds

00:01:15.220 to believe that there existed a national emergency arising from threats to the security of canada

00:01:22.660 that necessitated the taking of special temporary measures

00:01:28.880 i do not come to this conclusion easily as i do not consider the factual basis for it to be

00:01:38.740 overwhelming reasonable and informed people could reach a different conclusion than the one i've

00:01:45.660 arrived at well friends there you have it as unshocking as anything lately justin trudeau

00:01:50.940 dodges accountability one more time the judge tasked with examining justin trudeau's use of a

00:01:56.660 counter-terrorism law on peaceful anti-mandate protesters in the nation's capital last winter

00:02:02.820 now after hearing six weeks of evidence has ruled in favor of the government big shock the aforementioned

00:02:10.740 counter-terrorism law is the emergencies act and the official examination that's built into the law

00:02:15.920 is called the public order emergency commission now the emergencies act has never been used before not

00:02:22.900 even during 9 11 not when multiple canadian cities burned to the ground during seasonal wildfires not

00:02:28.660 during the ice storms or the hurricanes not when a terror cell was running amok in toronto in the early

00:02:34.340 2000s hatching bombing plots the ea as it's called was only ever used when canada's working class spoke

00:02:41.440 truth to power in the most peaceful of ways the ea was invoked when last february's bouncy castles and hot

00:02:48.760 tubs and street parties and the feeding of the homeless and the cleanup of the streets and the

00:02:53.520 singing of the national anthem and sometimes errant honking amounted to a national security crisis

00:02:58.740 beyond which all levels of government had the tools to deal with you know we get new viewers here all the

00:03:06.540 time at rebel news so i'll give a quick backstory after two years of crushing covid restrictions and after

00:03:12.720 two years of canada's truckers going back and forth across an international border without a forced

00:03:18.340 vaccine mandate being the heroes that kept our economy going while everything else was shut down

00:03:23.100 justin trudeau sought to bring those truckers under his thumb now despite the government's

00:03:29.340 protestations that only 10 percent of canada's cross-border truckers would be affected by this

00:03:33.780 new unnecessary vaccine mandate the government's own data submitted to the public order emergency

00:03:39.600 commission headed by justice paul rouleau suggested that the number was actually closer to 50 percent

00:03:45.500 one in two cross-border trucking families and suddenly like this the nation was finally at its

00:03:53.280 breaking point with the government people who had gone along to get along had finally said enough is

00:03:58.420 enough and truckers and their allies and their families and their supporters started a movement of

00:04:04.300 convoys and blockades and peaceful protests and one of those landed in ottawa in the nation's capital

00:04:10.040 in the country's public square justin trudeau's workplace because where else are you going to go

00:04:15.460 to demand national change from the people in charge of the nation the people came by thousands to ottawa and

00:04:23.540 those that couldn't come remained closer to home and protested in places like windsor ontario coots

00:04:28.980 alberta emerson manitoba and vancouver bc and in those communities some of them blocked the borders

00:04:35.960 in protest and they drew support from communities on both sides of that international border from

00:04:43.020 people who had been cut off from each other for so long and at every single protest the police were

00:04:52.180 vastly outnumbered by the country's useful people the builders the makers the drivers the movers and

00:05:00.020 never once not even in the face of extreme police violence when these people were unlawfully detained

00:05:06.820 illegally arrested they did nothing they reacted with peaceful resistance these blue-collar protesters

00:05:17.340 never acted in a way that would inspire the police violence that was used against them

00:05:24.740 in every single city and every single town including ottawa in which the protesters gathered

00:05:32.780 the protesters could have taken over the place in under an hour having the means the skills the will

00:05:40.520 and the vehicles to do it but they never did because taking over because insurrection because overthrow of

00:05:48.560 the government was never their goal their goal was to get their freedoms back freedoms the government

00:05:55.320 is tasked with protecting not revoking now six weeks of testimony and evidence were heard by the public

00:06:04.080 order emergency commission six weeks of testimony from law enforcement officials saying they did not need

00:06:12.220 extraordinary powers to contain the protests and the protests did not rise to a national security threat

00:06:20.140 take a listen uh so sorry that threat that you're speaking about is with respect individuals but

00:06:26.600 there the protest itself did not pose a section two threat to the security of canada what we've testified

00:06:32.780 to is that we did not uh made a determination that the event itself uh we uh and i think it's it's part of our

00:06:39.980 testimony yes okay and yet you still advised the prime minister to invoke the emergencies act

00:06:45.180 yes i did and you did that not because you thought that there was the the protest posed a threat to the

00:06:52.420 security of canada as defined in section two of the csesis act but because you were reassured that threat

00:06:57.480 to the security of canada had a different meaning under the in the context of the emergencies act

00:07:02.380 i think my testimony was uh was in part that but it was also based on all of the other information

00:07:08.260 that you know i became uh aware of during uh all of the interdepartmental meetings and cabinet

00:07:14.080 meetings i participated in so it was i was provided uh that opinion was provided if you want as a

00:07:20.340 uh national security advisor as opposed to a the director of csesis specifically really what it comes

00:07:27.700 down to was containing a protest that was already contained there's no need to quell a protest

00:07:35.500 canadians are allowed to protest and even the justice paul rouleau acknowledged that one of the

00:07:43.240 most cherished rights enjoyed by canadians is the right to engage in political protest

00:07:49.480 the ability of individuals and groups to publicly voice their dissent enriches and empowers our democracy

00:07:59.680 it's hardly surprising that government health measures would cause some form of protest in response

00:08:06.940 given their impact on people's lives what was surprising was the size and scale of these protests

00:08:15.320 and the way in which they proliferated across the country the majority of those who participated in

00:08:21.820 the protests were animated by a genuine desire to engage in peaceful demonstrations so that their

00:08:30.160 voices would be heard by leaders in government they wish to exercise their fundamental right to express

00:08:36.340 their political views and they had a right to do so however like any large group there were a diversity

00:08:43.780 of views and intentions among the participants of the freedom convoy amongst the many who intended to

00:08:52.120 protest peacefully were others who had more sinister goals or who were willing to engage in dangerous

00:09:00.040 conduct to achieve their desired ends for reasons that i discuss in my report what began as a massive protest

00:09:08.440 protest evolved into something entirely unprecedented an occupation of the core of the nation's capital

00:09:16.280 in fact rouleau said today in a roundabout way without actually ever saying it that it was a failure of police

00:09:23.720 and the government that according to him necessitated giving over extraordinary powers to the police and government

00:09:31.860 where cabinet reasonably considered it necessary to invoke the act is regrettable

00:09:37.420 because in my view the situation that led to its use could likely have been avoided

00:09:43.500 as i explained in my report the response to the freedom convoy included a series of policing failures

00:09:51.860 though i have also identified sound practices employed by some police services in their response

00:09:58.700 to relevant events some of the missteps may have been small but others were significant

00:10:06.940 taken together they contributed to a situation that spun out of control the failures were not only in policing

00:10:15.980 preparing for and responding to situations of threat and urgency in a federal system requires governments

00:10:25.580 at all levels and those who lead them to rise above above politics and collaborate for the common good

00:10:33.740 in january and february 2022 this did not always happen

00:10:42.780 had police forces and governments better anticipated and prepared for the extent of political and

00:10:48.780 social discontent exacerbated by covet 19 pandemic particularly in the environment of misinformation and

00:10:57.900 disinformation so prevalent today and had they collaborated more effectively there could have been a different

00:11:05.580 response to this unprecedented situation

00:11:10.620 it's likely that such preparation could have avoided the necessity of invoking the emergencies act

00:11:16.940 did you get that the government screws up the police screw up and innocent peaceful protesters

00:11:24.140 are forced to pay the price with their civil liberties oh and their bank accounts too

00:11:31.180 not just people in the convoy had their bank accounts frozen by extraordinary means

00:11:36.620 but people who had donated to the convoy from afar but even justice rouleau acknowledged that much of the money

00:11:43.980 never made it to the convoy so why did they need their bank accounts frozen i also found however

00:11:50.700 that in a number of respects these measures were deficient these included important aspects of the emergency

00:12:00.060 economic measures order such as the absence of any discretion related to the freezing of accounts

00:12:07.660 or assets and the failure to provide a clear way for individuals to have their assets unfrozen once they

00:12:16.060 were no longer engaged in illegal conduct but sadly in canada there will be no consequences for a

00:12:22.780 government that either joked or seriously considered using tanks on my fellow canadian citizens who were

00:12:29.580 only there in ottawa to protest the very things the government had done to them i believe minister lametti

00:12:35.340 has mentioned that that was made in jest second i have already provided my comments relating

00:12:43.980 to the fact that the canadian armed forces is the force of last resort therefore we were not considering

00:12:52.060 deploying tanks in any number and uh minister lametti earlier on in testimony to this commission wrote the

00:12:58.220 exchange off as a joke between friends do you think this is a joke i i take no part of my role as minister

00:13:09.100 of national defense as something in jest obviously i am very concerned and was very concerned not only about

00:13:19.820 the situation in canada but about the global strategic situation that we all find ourselves in

00:13:24.700 and so i am very concerned to make sure that we are making decisions with full information and i know

00:13:33.340 that's the case with minister lametti as well as the other colleagues around the table this was a very

00:13:40.220 difficult time and we were all doing our very best in our respective portfolios but i'm not surprised

00:13:46.620 by any of this and i doubt any of you are either has justin trudeau ever paid a consequence for any of his

00:13:52.780 bad behavior his ethics violations his absolute mistreatment and disgust at canadians who simply share

00:14:01.180 a different world view than him and we all know people who are trying to hesitate a little bit on

00:14:07.580 we're going to try to convince them but there are also people who are faroochement opposed to the vaccination

00:14:12.780 who are extremists who don't believe in science who are often misogynes who are often racist

00:14:17.980 also it's a small group but who takes place and then we have to make a choice as a leader as a country

00:14:27.020 do we tolerate

00:14:28.380 no i wasn't expecting justin trudeau to be held to account today and i'm never expecting him to be

00:14:35.900 held to account for anything he's ever done groping grifting demeaning it's all just how trudeau governs

00:14:43.340 and parts of this country excuse it but my concerns today are for the future because the emergencies act

00:14:50.220 is about to get easier to invoke if the government adopts justice rouleau's suggestions take a listen

00:14:57.420 very carefully here i also found however that in a number of respects these measures were deficient

00:15:03.740 these included important aspects of the emergency economic measures order such as the absence of

00:15:10.060 any discretion related to freezing assets and the failure to provide a clear way for individuals

00:15:17.660 to have their assets unfrozen when they were no longer engaged in illegal conduct report concludes

00:15:25.020 with a set of 56 recommendations my recommendations relate to six broad areas policing federal intelligence

00:15:35.260 collection and coordination critical trade corridors and infrastructure reforms to the emergencies act

00:15:44.220 other areas for further study and follow up and accountability following the release of my report

00:15:53.100 i hope that these recommendations will go some way to addressing the various issues and deficiencies of a

00:16:00.860 systemic nature that i identify in my report did you catch that it's number four that should worry us all

00:16:08.700 all reforms of the emergencies act justice rouleau is asking the liberals to reform the emergencies act and

00:16:17.340 what that means it's not going to be more difficult to invoke in the future what that means is it's going to be

00:16:23.900 easier the next time around because there will be a next time around because they've gotten away with it once

00:16:30.940 and it worked so they will do it again join me up after the break is barry cooper and marco navarrogini on their new book

00:16:38.380 canada's covid the story of a pandemic moral panic

00:16:42.220 it became clear to my two guests about nine months on into the pandemic that something was wrong

00:16:59.340 that what we knew already about the pandemic and about the spread of the covid virus

00:17:04.140 wasn't being reflected in government policy and reaction to the virus and they wrote a book and

00:17:12.220 now three years out they've updated their book and it is um according to the copy they gave me uh 530 pages

00:17:20.060 so bible-sized um and so i thought i would have them on the show today to discuss what has updated in

00:17:26.700 the book since what uh they've discovered um looking back in retrospect so joining me now are dr barry

00:17:34.540 cooper and marco navarrogini marco is the president of the haltine institute and i would i would like them

00:17:40.460 to discuss their book it's called canada's covid the story of a pandemic moral panic and this is like

00:17:48.140 i said the updated version gentlemen thanks so much for joining me on ezra's show i guess we'll go back

00:17:54.140 a little what prompted the authoring of the first book and jump in whichever one of you wants to

00:17:59.100 answer first okay i'll i'll do it um hello and thank you for having us sheila this is it's great to see

00:18:08.620 you again um we we both have uh similar and at the same time differing concerns when we started looking

00:18:16.060 at this um my my very own was to tell you the truth uh fear uh at the beginning i started to see

00:18:23.340 the images coming in from from the far east uh from iran from italy and thought my goodness what's

00:18:31.180 going to happen to my children right so that was kind of my and then so i started looking at the

00:18:36.940 data i started reading uh some of the medical journals and looking at mortality rates and and

00:18:42.700 things like that one of the things that struck me as uh absolutely um fearful and at the same time

00:18:50.220 quickly i found out that it was wrong is that we were comparing it to the spanish flu so that we

00:18:54.700 were going to have proportions of deaths you know people dying on the streets like we did uh you know

00:18:59.900 a hundred and some years ago and uh and it really quickly became evident that the story that was being

00:19:08.300 peddled through the media and the actual reality were completely different and so part of the motivation was

00:19:15.660 um to square the circle in that sense um but also uh because it pretty quickly became evident uh to

00:19:24.460 both of us when we sort of started talking that uh there were sets of people or groups of people

00:19:31.100 including politicians and doctors and bureaucrats uh who were more than willing to take advantage of

00:19:37.100 the situation to increase essentially their standing and their power so i guess it takes me into my next

00:19:43.020 question i'll i'll pose it to barry although i think marco answered it in part why did they whip up

00:19:49.420 this hysteria what what to what end uh one of the things that uh one of the ways we approached this was

00:19:59.900 from a french philosopher a guy named michelle foucault who's normally uh not associated uh he's associated

00:20:06.620 with sort of left-wing ways of looking at uh politics post-modernism and all that stuff uh but

00:20:13.180 he developed this notion of what he called power and knowledge uh and that struck me almost immediately

00:20:19.420 i wrote a book on foucault years ago and it's it struck me uh just listening to the uh things that the uh

00:20:27.100 particularly the health uh care professionals so-called um in the uh in the uh med school here

00:20:36.140 uh from edmonton uh dina henshaw in particular uh the the remarkably um misleading statements coming

00:20:44.300 out of ottawa with uh uh the uh our canada's chief doctor and so on uh it struck me that this they must

00:20:52.380 have known that they were not telling the whole truth uh so what foucault's ways of looking uh at

00:20:59.260 them taught us anyway taught me uh was it's all about power um why do people want power that's it

00:21:06.460 that's the question you're asking uh and uh this is something that political scientists have been

00:21:11.660 concerned about uh since the beginning of political science quite frankly so that those are the kind of

00:21:17.180 questions that that we were interested in uh we had to read a lot of epidemiology and a lot of

00:21:22.060 med sci stuff to uh make sense of the um mendacious uh misleading statements of uh of our uh public

00:21:31.900 health officials but uh these are these are not it may be difficult to do medical science it's not

00:21:37.740 difficult to understand when you read the results you can you know normal people can understand this

00:21:43.260 stuff and there was a huge amount of controversy that was completely ignored by public health officials

00:21:49.340 in order to peddle this narrative uh that we're all in in terrible danger we're all going to die

00:21:55.020 uh get vax do this do that lockdown uh and it just it struck us both uh pretty quickly that this

00:22:02.220 this was just a uh a ploy uh to ensure that they were not questioned yeah you know we didn't ever

00:22:09.820 really hear from our chief medical officers of health particularly here in canada unless it was

00:22:15.180 dina hinshaw warning us about the dangers of stds during the stampede like you never heard from the

00:22:20.460 woman before and then all of a sudden she's the star of her own show every night on the dinner hour 1.00

00:22:28.540 warning us uh about you know death counts and infection rates and i think some people really

00:22:34.620 got addicted to the fame of it all but i also think people like got addicted to the money there were a

00:22:40.220 lot of i i want to call them maybe crisis entrepreneurs the same people who jack up the

00:22:45.340 price of bottled water during a hurricane those people came out of the woodwork to all of a sudden

00:22:50.300 enrich themselves with government contracts peddling being the third person in the in the contract

00:22:56.300 dealing ppe all of a sudden or getting contracts to create ventilators when they had no uh history or

00:23:03.900 expertise in the medical system but all of a sudden they were stepping up to be the saviors during the

00:23:09.100 pandemic yeah that was particularly true next door in bc um where dina hinshaw is now apparently fancy 1.00

00:23:17.580 that um and uh there the chief medical officer of health had the imprudence to actually write a book

00:23:26.380 about it uh and if you read the book it's a kind of confession that i really enjoy this i like people

00:23:34.220 doing what i tell them uh this is a quote she called it a whole of government approach in other

00:23:39.340 words she was telling the government of bc what to do um and i'm sure it went to her head uh it it had

00:23:45.660 to uh the same thing happened with uh lesser lights in the med school at the ufc um i could tell just from

00:23:55.020 watching some of these guys on television they were really enjoying it i mean i don't i don't mind going

00:23:59.580 on tv but i it's i don't get a charge out of it anymore like maybe the first time it was a big thrill

00:24:06.060 but now it's just you know part of your i don't know duty almost uh but those guys were just having

00:24:11.580 a hell of a good time yeah it's evident right that that people who work um in an office uh hopefully with

00:24:20.540 windows but not all the time uh suddenly have you know all these lights and all this attention

00:24:27.580 and uh they they they couldn't help themselves i i like your your comparison to the to the

00:24:33.740 entrepreneurs uh of uh bottled water and and toilet paper you remember that this whole thing started

00:24:40.700 hispanic about about toilet paper and people sort of taking advantage and it's really no difference i 0.55

00:24:46.860 mean no difference if you look at already we found out much later how much money miss hinshaw ended up 1.00

00:24:53.580 you know um gathering from from all of this and uh the entrepreneurial part is

00:25:01.340 kind of set up and this is kind of what sort of gave it away for me is that the doctors were already

00:25:06.540 in a dispute with the premier in in alberta uh and so they took advantage of the situation to make

00:25:13.020 themselves uh feel more needed that they normally would um exhibit a for example uh the government of

00:25:22.540 alberta increased enormous amount of money is allocated uh to um to increase the number of

00:25:29.100 beds for uh intensive care units and uh and that money was never put to use to increase the number

00:25:36.060 of beds uh that that was needed so they were essentially choking the supply uh to to make themselves

00:25:43.420 uh feel better and more needed now you've also talked about the collateral damage of the lockdowns

00:25:49.980 it's chapter four in your book so we know about the financial followed i think on a small scale

00:25:57.020 but do we have an you know like you've seen you drive through any neighborhood and you see

00:26:02.140 the retail spaces that have closed the restaurants that didn't survive the lockdowns the bars and the

00:26:07.100 gyms that didn't survive the lockdown but there's also a knock-on effect to this stuff because we have a

00:26:12.460 closed business now you see these empty strip malls that's a that's property tax not being paid to the

00:26:21.500 municipality that you know it has a knock-on effect for homeowners and that is rippling throughout the

00:26:28.140 economy do we have any grasp of just how bad this is going to be 18 months 24 months from now

00:26:34.940 in addition to the economic uh uh consequences um the consequences for uh for children i think has

00:26:46.540 been under emphasized the amount of damage that was done to kids uh during the lockdown the certainly

00:26:53.980 i mean i had to teach uh courses on zoom uh and the kids uh that that took those courses did not get a

00:27:01.740 rebate uh in terms of their uh education fees uh i think they were gypped uh but you know you have to

00:27:09.580 do what you have to do i guess uh but the there has not been yet much by way of studying uh of what the

00:27:16.700 effects of on little kids would be uh but i think it's something that we will have to deal with in

00:27:25.020 probably for the next decade maybe longer uh a lot of children i'm pretty sure were traumatized

00:27:31.740 by uh having to you know stay at home uh not see their kids wearing masks i mean give me a break

00:27:39.500 uh one of the things that the way children learn uh is to see the faces of uh of other human beings

00:27:46.620 and when when they're masked they can't do that so there's a there's a huge bunch of um deprivation

00:27:52.540 that nobody knows exactly what what the consequences will be but my guess we're going to find out soon

00:27:58.380 enough i'd say yeah you know i was thinking the other day about little kids who are starting school

00:28:03.580 this year you know five and six year olds their earliest memories are of everybody in masks and

00:28:09.260 that's imprinted on them and i don't know how we undo that as a society and the fear of the other

00:28:15.180 right you know um people would not be allowed to sort of get close to one another little children

00:28:21.740 who were not allowed to approach their grandparents uh and and that sort of thing that you know stays

00:28:26.860 with you if you are today say seven years old and sort of be to sort of see the world uh beyond uh

00:28:34.620 your your little self um well you spend half of your life but more than half of your conscious life

00:28:41.420 uh in that sort of uh panic-stricken bubble and and that has an effect on on on children uh the economic

00:28:48.780 effects as you were pointing out uh we will also be counting for years to come um a couple of my

00:28:55.660 friends who you know don't really know much about politics and economics and uh they they think that

00:29:00.620 i crystal ball because a couple years back i kept talking about you wait for the inflationary effect

00:29:08.300 that you know handing out billions and billions and billions of dollars for free uh to people is going

00:29:14.220 going to cause and they sort of said well how do you know that they said well we know this from

00:29:18.300 experience not only because you know it's not just theoretical and and here we are the economic damage

00:29:24.300 that is being caused not just the businesses that have already closed but the fact is that there is a

00:29:29.500 new tax called inflation on all of us and they and and these taxes hurt disproportionately uh more uh the poor

00:29:39.100 uh the single mothers and the people who don't have greater economic capacity the bureaucrats and the 0.98

00:29:45.100 people who stayed home and working from home and continue to have uh races every year they're doing

00:29:52.060 fine um and you know hence what happened a year ago yesterday right uh it's not a surprise i mean i'm

00:29:58.460 sure i'm sure we'll probably talk more about that uh that uh uh it was the blue-collar workers the

00:30:05.260 people who had to go and do things with their hands who could not stay home uh behind a computer like

00:30:12.140 the rest of us could uh who suffered the most yeah those are people whose jobs are not indexed

00:30:18.620 to inflation the way government workers have their salaries indexed to inflation uh but i'm happy that

00:30:24.940 you broached the subject of uh the invocation of the uh the they were but uh they were they were

00:30:32.780 touted by the government as being the heroes uh they weren't treated that way uh a year and a half

00:30:39.500 later but initially that was uh that was a a kind of uh praise i suppose you might say

00:30:47.340 i'm glad you brought up the uh invocation of the emergencies act because i think that is some of the

00:30:52.780 political fallout that has stemmed and flowed from the government's overreaction to the pandemic

00:31:00.780 for whatever reason for a power grab um or um to i guess to institute their political philosophy um

00:31:10.620 so we've seen some political fallout at least happening here in alberta where jason kenney is

00:31:16.300 no longer the premier and i think that's in large part due to his crackdown on civil liberties here

00:31:21.580 in alberta during the pandemic and daniel smith our new premier seems to have been elected on a focus

00:31:29.660 of you know undoing the civil liberties damage done by the former government but will we ever see

00:31:37.500 any consequences for this federal government for anything but especially this

00:31:47.340 um well it's it's perhaps a little bit early to tell i mean we've certainly seen already some of the

00:31:53.420 consequences um everywhere the prime minister goes uh there are you know large groups of people

00:32:01.740 they're not as large as the number of people who are following and go and see the lead of the

00:32:05.420 opposition these days which is also the flip-flop uh of of this um but one of the things that that

00:32:12.300 happens in the sort of prescription of the theory of moral panic that that uh the lens that we used to

00:32:18.140 look at uh these things is that people uh are panicked and and their fear sort of um leads them

00:32:25.500 to want to accept a whole bunch of lies that would make them feel comfortable uh in the in the face of

00:32:31.100 panic but when people realize they have been lied to you know it's a normal human reaction people become

00:32:38.380 angry and and we already see the manifestation of that sort of across the board um and you know the

00:32:45.980 the left-wing press for the most part is trying to tar uh canadians as you know the angry crowd that is

00:32:52.220 following the other guy and that and that sort of thing but that's a direct consequence of what's going

00:32:56.700 on so it is entirely unclear that uh you know should we have an election today that the federal government

00:33:02.860 would survive uh and you know the polls keep sort of tilting um deeper and deeper against uh the uh

00:33:11.020 the government in power and some of these governments what this also tells us though is that

00:33:15.980 there are different levels of tolerance for these things alberta is indeed a distinct society in many ways

00:33:22.060 um you know when when people people got sick of the lies uh rather quickly here and you know the guy

00:33:29.580 who was in power is not in power uh whereas in ontario not to pick on ontario but you know it's so easy

00:33:36.140 to sometimes uh they've they've uh returned the premier to to office so in different places in different

00:33:44.620 areas of the country uh the reaction is playing in different ways yeah i just to add

00:33:51.820 to something that marco said um with the mainstream media uh i think we can anticipate um that anybody

00:33:59.980 who criticizes the governor of canada's kobit response will be marginalized uh will be considered

00:34:06.620 a conspiracy nut uh something like that um i fully expect that uh if uh anybody in say in the globe and

00:34:15.180 mail reads our book they will say nothing nice about it uh we're just you know bringing up old stories

00:34:21.180 uh we're crazy right wingers from alberta um the the problem is that that eventually i mean it

00:34:28.700 sometimes takes longer than we'd like eventually that people get the truth and they've and they 0.98

00:34:33.820 actually figure it out for themselves people are not as stupid very often as governments think they 0.64

00:34:38.380 are uh and they do they haven't lost the ability to think uh so they will see these kind of controversies 0.98

00:34:44.700 they'll say well there's nothing new from uh from these government subsidized media saying these

00:34:49.820 things in favor of the government uh and they'll draw they i would say probably in most cases the

00:34:54.700 correct conclusions you know i've seen that myself i think we probably all have facebook friends who

00:34:59.660 started off the pandemic um absolutely engulfed in covet fear they were the maskers they were the 1.00

00:35:06.620 scolders in the grocery store the get your vaccines as quickly as possible then get your booster then get

00:35:13.100 your second booster and your third booster and then they got coveted and pretty quickly they figured

00:35:19.980 out that they have been lied to too and some of those people it's it's almost like uh and i just

00:35:25.980 compare this to sort of what i see um but almost like converts to catholicism they are the most

00:35:32.460 fervent people in the church um and that's what i'm seeing with some people who started off the

00:35:38.220 pandemic very true believers having realized they've been lied to and their reflexes to be furious

00:35:47.500 we we see this uh in in all kinds of different circumstances in life right people tend to uh

00:35:54.540 sometimes flee away from certain things and pretend that it's not happening but uh whether it's for

00:36:00.620 ideological reasons or or what have you but but one thing is for certain is that reality has a way of

00:36:06.620 turning around and kicking you in the rear end and and it always does uh and so um you can pretend

00:36:13.900 that the that the vaccine will save your life um but when 20 minutes later you get uh the disease

00:36:20.380 uh as they tend to call it um you start questioning things right

00:36:27.900 i think one of the things uh as i'll show you that that uh marco and i wanted to do in this book is

00:36:33.820 is is basically uh document uh this series of lies and stupidities and imprudent uh statements and all

00:36:43.660 of the rest of it that uh authorities whether they're governmental media uh or uh bureaucratic uh made

00:36:51.820 during the period uh after the end of the summer of 2020 um that's when the first um we stopped work

00:37:00.060 on the on the first version of this uh about then it came out in november of 2020 but so much happened

00:37:06.300 after that from starting in september uh of 2020 and it just kept going and going and going and part

00:37:13.900 of our job was simply to provide documentation that uh these people who said these things who knew perfectly

00:37:22.300 well that what they were saying wasn't true um someday uh will be called to account um maybe not

00:37:30.460 by asking it depends whether people read the read the book and do anything about it but uh they really

00:37:36.940 ought to be ashamed of themselves uh but a lot of people are shameless and they may not be uh but

00:37:43.260 nevertheless there's there's lots of evidence there that that they really messed things up uh badly and

00:37:48.300 they did it knowingly and that's the thing that that personally i find particularly irritating uh you

00:37:54.700 can make mistakes these weren't mistakes these were deliberate deceptions yeah um you know in uh shameless

00:38:01.660 plug here is uh is the book uh there are there are over 100 pages of annotations and fluid notes and

00:38:09.180 end notes rather um and not not because you know we want to show off that we read all this stuff uh but

00:38:16.780 because uh we wanted to make sure that we providing uh the evidence and the examples uh so that people

00:38:23.100 can go and see for for themselves right so in part this is as barry says a a a record uh for for

00:38:30.700 posterity uh one yeah we name people who need to be named and and they should be ashamed uh and also

00:38:37.740 because you know viruses come and go and more will come uh and so when more will come it is absolutely

00:38:45.260 absolutely imperative uh that we learn all the bad lessons all the lessons really good and bad but

00:38:51.740 particularly the bad ones about this one and how we handled it so that a uh we don't do worse for the

00:38:58.860 next one but also because human nature being what human nature is if there is actually a worse virus

00:39:05.740 coming uh down the line and we have scared people into a kind of uh obliviousness about these things

00:39:14.140 uh we might actually end up causing more harm than good right so proportionality is important and so

00:39:19.500 we're we're trying to get people to see that the overreaction um was so far and so wide and so deceptive

00:39:28.060 that there are some hard lessons that we need to take from them yeah there are a lot of people out there who

00:39:33.180 want the general public to be very hard of remembering going forward before i let you go

00:39:38.380 guys you you did something else that i thought uh the mainstream media absolutely refuses to do and

00:39:44.380 that is that you looked at other jurisdictions that did something completely different than what

00:39:49.100 we did here in canada which one of you wants to sort of tell us what you found when you looked at

00:39:53.980 places like sweden florida marco does i'll jump in because i i i i wrote probably a good portion of

00:40:02.380 that but you know barry knows it as just as well um it's it's important to look at what other people

00:40:09.100 did because uh a lot of the times we were presented with this notion that the entire world was following

00:40:18.220 the same playbook um i remember for example seeing the cover of time magazine with you know the the

00:40:24.460 world the entire planet locked down and that was kind of the message that they were trying to to send

00:40:32.140 and that what they were doing was reasonable because so many other people were doing it but

00:40:36.700 the reality is that there were as many different approaches as there were countries and some of them

00:40:42.300 them were more more successful than others the the ones that were more successful uh were the

00:40:47.580 countries that stuck to their plan and didn't throw their emergency plan out the window like um most

00:40:53.340 jurisdictions all jurisdictions in canada uh did uh the the jurisdictions that did not succumb to fear

00:40:59.900 who relied uh on the wit of their citizens to follow basic rules about washing hands and keeping

00:41:06.300 distance and all that stuff that did not close all the businesses did not close all the schools

00:41:11.420 uh certainly this the the uh elementary schools kept running even though they went remote for some

00:41:17.580 uh in universities and and uh and uh higher learning schools uh sweden is is the model uh in part because

00:41:27.100 uh they were so radically different from uh everybody else but also because

00:41:34.540 canadians specifically and the government of alberta originally put out a paper sort of condemning

00:41:40.380 uh sweden uh sweden they were trying to make themselves look good by condemning uh the swedes and also by

00:41:47.900 letting us know that you know within a matter of weeks all swedes were going to be dead

00:41:53.820 uh but the reality is sweden go figure is still there and in terms of uh epidemic epidemiological health

00:42:02.780 they are doing far better than we are and economically they're doing far better than we are

00:42:07.980 the damage that we cause to ourselves doesn't compare and so it was important for us to look at other

00:42:14.460 places and and make sure that that distinction was established now i know that uh barry you need to get

00:42:22.140 back and teach a class but where can people find the book where can they support the work that you're

00:42:27.660 doing to as you say create this historical record of what was done to the public and who did it

00:42:34.140 it uh it'll it'll be available chiefly on amazon but it'll be available in calgary uh bookstores as

00:42:40.620 well because we're we've done some uh uh contact with with mainly independent bookstores uh and and

00:42:47.740 they seem to be interested in taking it too so i'd suggest amazon as your first go-to place because

00:42:53.500 that's where everybody goes well thanks so much gentlemen and thanks so much for the hard work that

00:42:59.100 you're doing to as i said make the historical record make sure that they cannot whitewash what

00:43:05.180 they've done to everybody and just carry on with their lives with their big fat paychecks in british

00:43:10.060 columbia dina hinshaw thank you very much sheila thanks gentlemen stay with us everybody

00:43:17.660 more of your letters to ezra read by me up after the break

00:43:32.620 stay with us in the coming days and weeks we're going to be doing our best to get through

00:43:36.380 the decision of justice paul rulo and the public order emergency commission to excuse the extreme

00:43:42.140 and irrational tyrannical behavior of prime minister justin trudeau in using a wartime law

00:43:47.500 against peaceful protesters whose only real crimes were to speak truth to power and embarrass

00:43:52.540 justin trudeau on an international scale and ultimately inspire a global movement of convoys

00:43:58.300 how embarrassing for justin trudeau but also how embarrassing for paul rulo

00:44:03.020 we will do our best to examine the lies that rulo either bought or the half truths he's trying to

00:44:13.180 sell to the public about what occurred in that public order emergency commission room now we had

00:44:19.580 reporters embedded in the convoy from the very beginning you can see all of their reports at

00:44:24.060 convoyreports.com but we also had journalists in the convoy commission room you can see all of

00:44:31.260 their reports at trucker commission.com and from their time in six weeks in ottawa we have created

00:44:39.420 we i mean our head documentarian kian simoni he created an incredible documentary called trudeau

00:44:46.300 on trial so to get details please go to trudeau on trial.com it's all the commission testimony

00:44:54.780 that paul rulo would love for you to ignore now we should get to our letters

00:45:00.220 our first letter comes from chop t pete and it's on my interview with lauren gunter the other day a

00:45:10.300 columnist with the edmonton sun great guy and he wrote an article about how the ndp is failing to

00:45:17.580 be an opposition party at all and you know we have some theories for that and and when are the ndp

00:45:25.420 membership ever going to get tired of their leader just being the socialist arm of the liberal party

00:45:33.480 of canada anyways chop t pete writes you guys are so out of touch oh am i i think i've written two

00:45:38.940 books on the ndp so i don't know i'll i'm i'll hear your argument not even in the realm of understanding

00:45:47.620 the big picture okay all mainstream parties are globalists taking different roads to a one world

00:45:53.100 government the cpc are not who they pretend to be mulrooney and harper sold us down the river 0.93

00:45:57.340 long ago and they signed us up to the paris accord and sustainability goals of the un well i'm just

00:46:04.700 going to stop you right here because mulrooney and harper were not in power when canada signed the

00:46:11.180 paris accord that was the liberals and harper was instrumental in fighting kyoto mulrooney he was more

00:46:16.340 of an environmentalist he however practical though he was more seemingly concerned about acid rain which

00:46:23.160 we don't really have anymore but harper fought kyoto which uh died never was signed on to by canada

00:46:29.140 and the paris accord was uh brought in in 2015 by the liberals um and then you mentioned the

00:46:37.280 sustainability goals of the un don't take my word for it look it up 17 goals of sustainability cpc put

00:46:43.700 them into law trudeau is just acting on them even if that were true what are you going to do you're

00:46:49.120 just going to check out of the system you're just not going to hold justin trudeau to account you're

00:46:52.980 not going to put pressure on the new leader of the conservative party of canada pierre polyev to do

00:46:59.720 something different i think pierre polyev is trying to do something different with the party

00:47:03.880 after the failures of erin o'toole and andrew sheer seems like he's trying to do something different he's

00:47:10.000 leaning into grassroots conservatism so why don't you put pressure on him like what are you going

00:47:14.540 to do just check out of the system i'm not sure that that's going to be good for you or anybody

00:47:20.560 they may all be globalists but does that prevent you from holding them to account in our parliamentary

00:47:28.960 system i don't know it's kind of my job to hold people to account on to hold the government to

00:47:36.180 account on behalf of the people anyway let's keep going on menzies mono about the wackiest climate

00:47:41.300 change ideas like substituting certain menstruation products cutting coffee and using less anesthesia

00:47:47.680 on patients smart eam writes women should be able to freely choose whatever menstrual products they 0.99

00:47:53.880 like guilt-free i can't believe this is a comment on one of david menzies videos but actually i can

00:47:57.920 also menstrual cups aren't gross david i don't know i'm gonna side with david on this and i'm a lady so i

00:48:03.620 think we're we might be two to one on you if one can afford it though best to use eco-friendly

00:48:11.160 non-toxic products down there where there is very sensitive very porous human tissue the amount of

00:48:17.480 chemicals and female hygiene products is shocking you know what i can't even believe we're having 1.00

00:48:22.380 this conversation use whatever you want um put chemicals on your body don't put chemicals on your

00:48:30.780 body do it in the name of your health and not in climate change how's that paul says i love the

00:48:36.760 statement four researchers said that's it just for you know what there's um there's a hashtag on twitter

00:48:42.800 it's called studies say or experts say and you can find some crazy things over there all it takes is one

00:48:49.180 expert uh and often those experts are self-described for a journalist to write an article about absolutely

00:48:56.860 insane things studies say researchers say anastasia girl writes let's talk about how long the electric

00:49:04.260 vehicle batteries take to decompose waiting waiting yeah electric vehicle batteries uh solar panels uh

00:49:12.060 the and not just the batteries and panels to decompose and then the hazardous chemicals to leach into the

00:49:20.040 groundwater or the panels to fry birds as they fly above but also the environmental devastation

00:49:28.120 of the mining of the components of batteries and solar panels is revolting and it's done in countries 0.99

00:49:37.520 where there is no law requiring mitigation plans and reclamation plans to be drafted ahead of the project

00:49:45.980 which is how it is in canada before you can move a shovel of dirt you have to have a plan to reclaim

00:49:51.860 it as best you can to its mostly natural state and sometimes even better when you look at fort

00:49:57.220 mcmurray which in some aspects is the world's largest oil spill cleanup up there uh the land is reclaimed

00:50:04.980 and and buffalo's grays bison i guess they are up there anyway uh thanks for the letters guys and

00:50:12.060 please stay tuned as we continue to provide you some coverage of the public order emergency commission

00:50:18.820 and i suppose uh the fallout if any there will be for justin trudeau and maybe for the credibility of paul

00:50:28.340 who knows well friends that's the show for tonight have a great weekend we're off around here on monday

00:50:37.220 at least we are here in alberta it's family day here so don't expect a live stream this is what i'm

00:50:43.540 saying and as ezra always says keep fighting for freedom

Rebel News Podcast - February 18, 2023

SHEILA GUNN REID： Justice Rouleau rules that Trudeau's cowardly use of the Emergencies Act was ＂justified＂

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