Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ How Trudeau's Bill C-10 will change what you say about climate change

00:00:00.520 How Bill C-10 is going to censor you if you're one of the people who seems to think that

00:00:06.700 that burning ball of gas in the sky has maybe a little more to do with climate change than

00:00:10.860 you're comfortable SUV.

00:00:12.960 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:30.000 Justin Trudeau's new internet censorship law, Bill C-10, is being rushed through Parliament

00:00:40.220 at breakneck speed.

00:00:41.860 You see, Trudeau wants to shut up his enemies who are telling the truth about him and all

00:00:47.500 of his bad ideas and his bad behavior and his terrible policies on the internet.

00:00:52.660 And one of the best ways for him to do that is to make the internet now completely under

00:00:59.500 government control.

00:01:01.680 And here at Rebel News, we know that Bill C-10 is directed at us, not the CBC.

00:01:07.000 It's directed at us and our friends at True North and the Postmillennial because we do

00:01:12.360 investigative journalism about the liberals all the time.

00:01:17.580 And so the liberals need to shut us up in advance of the next election.

00:01:21.860 That's really the rush here on Bill C-10.

00:01:24.340 And it's not just pesky, prickly, adversarial journalists who just refuse to take one of

00:01:31.320 those government bailout bribes.

00:01:33.520 Bill C-10 is going to strip away the free speech rights of educational societies and non-profit

00:01:39.160 groups and truth-tellers who take a different approach to certain keynote policy issues that

00:01:46.260 the liberals hold near and dear to their hearts.

00:01:48.940 Issues like carbon taxes, like the villainization of the oil sands, and of course, along with

00:01:55.640 that, the phasing out of oil and gas jobs.

00:01:58.180 These are all cornerstone liberal policy ideas.

00:02:02.380 And people like our friends at Friends of Science have been doing their best on the internet

00:02:09.920 through their YouTube channel and on their blog on a shoestring budget.

00:02:15.240 They do this through online events also to balance out the debate around fossil fuels

00:02:21.060 and to also do something else that I think they're really good at, and that's humanizing

00:02:25.500 the issue, to put a face to the job the liberals want to phase out and to arm you with the facts

00:02:31.000 about these allegedly complex issues where the liberals use overly scientific jargon to make

00:02:37.960 you feel like you're not smart enough to understand the science or the underlying policy issue.

00:02:44.860 Now, my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science, she did a really great video the

00:02:51.080 other day about the problems of Bill C-10 and how that bill is going to stifle the free speech

00:02:57.060 of organizations just like hers, while at the same time, the bill will amplify the enemies

00:03:02.520 of Canadian jobs as preferred Canadian content.

00:03:06.460 So, naturally, she's on the show tonight.

00:03:09.020 So, joining me tonight in an interview we recorded yesterday morning is my friend Michelle Sterling

00:03:14.920 from Friends of Science.

00:03:23.580 Joining me now from a cabin in the wilds of Alberta is my friend Michelle Sterling from

00:03:29.340 Friends of Science.

00:03:30.580 Michelle, I wanted to talk to you about Bill C-10 because you guys have a really great video

00:03:35.520 on Bill C-10 and that was the reason I reached out to you to be a guest on the show.

00:03:40.660 Well, just one of them.

00:03:42.420 I don't need to look for excuses.

00:03:44.020 I love having you on the show.

00:03:45.460 But you and I were just talking off air that you've had some problems with the CBC in the

00:03:53.000 past with regard to their reporting on oil and gas issues and, in particular, Fort McMurray.

00:03:59.840 And it's funny because last week I had another fellow, I wouldn't even say climate skeptic,

00:04:06.180 but you and I and he, we all sort of think that maybe the sun has something to do with

00:04:10.640 climate change.

00:04:12.400 Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition Canada, and he had his own

00:04:16.940 problems with CBC.

00:04:18.260 He said they were censoring the comment section and I said, I know all about that.

00:04:22.120 I just did a story on that.

00:04:23.620 And then you were telling me that you've had your own problems with the CBC and you filed

00:04:27.340 a complaint.

00:04:27.840 So, tell us a little bit about that.

00:04:29.840 Yes, well, it is interesting that they're trying to change the Broadcasting Act now

00:04:34.040 because back in 2011, if people recall, CBC did a co-production with Clearwater Productions,

00:04:43.480 Niobe Thompson and Tom Radford, I think they were the producer and director.

00:04:51.980 Anyhow, it was called The Tipping Point, Age of the Oil Sands.

00:04:56.100 And it became also a theatrical release.

00:05:00.300 But CBC co-produced it and I felt that it was an extremely biased, extremely bad representation

00:05:09.300 of the oil sands.

00:05:11.060 And I also noted that all the people in it seemed to have some strange kind of connection,

00:05:16.880 which turned out to be connections to the tar sands campaign.

00:05:20.840 So, I complained first to the CRTC and I said to them that I felt that it was in violation

00:05:26.980 of the Canadian Broadcasting Act because it was in violation of section 3.1.D.I., which

00:05:35.780 stated that the Canadian broadcasting system should serve to safeguard, enrich and strengthen

00:05:42.580 the cultural, political, social and economic fabric of Canada.

00:05:46.140 Well, the CRTC, which is supposed to be this big, strong, overriding body, immediately passed

00:05:53.700 it off and said, oh, well, that's not our problem.

00:05:55.980 You should go to the CBC with that.

00:05:58.220 So, I did.

00:05:58.940 And I spent about nine months writing letters to them on this very topic about how the tipping

00:06:04.720 point was so biased, so wrong, lots of false information in it, lots of hyped up stuff.

00:06:12.000 And that it would probably end up making Canadians and people around the world hate the Alberta

00:06:18.820 oil sands and hate Albertans.

00:06:21.580 And that's exactly what happened.

00:06:23.560 So, I've documented that in all my letters in a book called My Tar Sands Tipping Point with

00:06:29.660 CBC.

00:06:30.600 But it's interesting now with the Allen Inquiry looking into all the different players in

00:06:35.200 the tar sands campaign.

00:06:36.240 Now, they desperately want to change the Broadcasting Act to be the vision of the government and not

00:06:43.940 what I just read you, which was to safeguard the economy and future of Canadians.

00:06:51.280 You know, it's very fascinating that the CBC, whether wittingly or otherwise, allowed themselves

00:06:58.580 to be the, I guess, the washing machine to legitimize this anti-oil sands propaganda in 2011.

00:07:09.280 And now, I mean, it's just standard operating practice down at the CBC now that the oil sands

00:07:15.220 are bad.

00:07:15.880 But really, I guess, for lack of a better term, that documentary production was, in fact,

00:07:22.600 the tipping point.

00:07:23.280 That was really the change day when things changed.

00:07:26.660 Right.

00:07:27.680 And one of the complaints I had, since VLC 10 is supposed to be supervising the internet,

00:07:34.020 I said, you know, they said, oh, we've done lots of good productions about the great side

00:07:38.040 of the oil sands in the past.

00:07:39.740 But I said, well, in the past, you didn't have the documentary posted on the web running

00:07:44.400 24-7 worldwide.

00:07:46.460 Yeah.

00:07:46.860 You didn't have key players like James Cameron coming up to Fort Mac.

00:07:51.520 You didn't have Susan Casey Lefkowitz of the National Natural Resources Defense Council

00:07:58.900 actually sitting in Fort Mac or Fort Chip telling people what the tar sands campaign would entail.

00:08:07.460 She actually says it right on camera, what they're going to do.

00:08:10.800 And so this is like a huge promotion for here's how you shut down the tar sands, everyone.

00:08:18.440 And, you know, I spent nine months writing letters.

00:08:21.260 I wrote them dozens and dozens of letters.

00:08:23.980 I went right to the top.

00:08:25.520 And I said, look, you've got to at least put up, you know, a list of the Alberta environment

00:08:31.080 sites and the oil sand development sites at the same time so that people can read and

00:08:36.300 get a fair balance, but they refuse to do it.

00:08:40.060 So, you know, it's yeah, it wasn't really a turning point.

00:08:45.100 It was the tipping point for the reputation of the oil sands worldwide.

00:08:48.080 And of course, they recut that same material and released it as a theatrical documentary

00:08:53.200 worldwide voiced by Susan Sarandon, who was in James Cameron's film Avatar, right?

00:09:02.300 With the poor, innocent Navi being run over by massive mining operations.

00:09:09.240 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:10.020 And, you know, I think I'm like you.

00:09:12.540 I don't care if these people do these things.

00:09:14.320 I just don't want to pay for it.

00:09:15.580 And I don't want to give them access to government funded networks in the form of the CBC to distribute

00:09:21.220 it.

00:09:21.500 I don't want to be a part of it.

00:09:22.580 Go do whatever you want.

00:09:24.100 Those people already have the very deep pockets of foreign charities.

00:09:30.080 They don't need the help of Canadian tax dollars to disseminate their lies about us.

00:09:35.840 And not only that, I mean, as a broadcaster, if you look at the CBC code of ethics and pretty

00:09:42.580 much all broadcasters in Canada, they all state they're going to have fair, balanced journalism.

00:09:47.400 They're going to give viewpoints of all Canadians, you know, and they've never done that.

00:09:51.960 They didn't do it in that case.

00:09:53.220 And so, you know, it is interesting that they now want to change the Broadcasting Act to

00:09:58.860 simply reflect the vision of the government of Canada, which is basically profit.

00:10:03.400 But they're already doing that.

00:10:05.040 As you said about our video, in the video about Bill C-10, we show that there's so much

00:10:11.420 soft and hard censorship already going on in Canada that, you know, this is kind of the

00:10:18.960 last nail in the coffin.

00:10:20.220 Yeah, you know, that's and again, that's why I wanted to have you on the show is because

00:10:24.980 C-10 is the top of everybody's mind and everybody is concerned about, you know, what they're

00:10:29.400 going to be allowed to say on the Internet and what they're not.

00:10:31.840 This bill really does put the Internet underneath government control.

00:10:37.340 And I think at Friends of Science, you folks have really been on the forefront of I hate to

00:10:43.780 use the word intersection.

00:10:44.800 So I'll say cross-section because I'm trying not to use the language of the left these days.

00:10:49.680 But you've really been at the cross-section of how censorship is stifling climate skepticism.

00:10:57.720 And again, I say climate skepticism for lack of a better term.

00:11:01.660 I don't think you and I disagree that humans change their environment around them.

00:11:06.760 But maybe there are other factors like that big burning ball of gas in the sky that also

00:11:11.420 affects the temperature on the ground.

00:11:14.380 But you, I think, have really had the foresight to see, OK, so they might use this on people

00:11:20.700 who are, you know, gun rights activists and critical of radical Islam or on the flip side

00:11:27.800 of that, who are pro-Israel.

00:11:30.540 Those people are going to get censored on the Internet.

00:11:32.520 But you see it coming for climate skeptics.

00:11:35.160 And I think you're right, because this is such a big issue that the liberals are really

00:11:40.440 making a cornerstone of their government.

00:11:44.320 Well, you know, it's really a house of cards, because I know we're going to talk about this

00:11:48.160 a bit later.

00:11:48.720 But the climate change, the upcoming climate change report for the Intergovernmental Panel

00:11:55.720 on Climate Change, which is basically the climate Bible, if you like, that governments set

00:12:00.380 their policy on, that won't be, that's not slated to be released until 2022.

00:12:05.420 But it was leaked to Agence France Press to have, you know, lots of media headlines like,

00:12:13.900 oh, we're all going to die.

00:12:15.100 We've only got a limited time.

00:12:16.880 All the tipping points are going to tip.

00:12:18.600 And oh, it's all going to fall down.

00:12:20.140 But actually, the people on the dissenting side, I like to call ourselves people with

00:12:28.700 rational dissenting views.

00:12:31.200 And there's nothing skeptical about them.

00:12:33.740 They're all based on evidence.

00:12:35.940 So, you know, we bring forward the evidence and say, well, look, funny you should say that,

00:12:40.580 because we don't see that in the data.

00:12:43.380 We don't see it in the long term trends.

00:12:45.940 You know, Facebook is now, for instance, doing a climate science section.

00:12:51.600 So the other day on our Facebook page, I went to post something.

00:12:55.040 And as I posted it, Facebook popped up, would you like to see the temperature trend for Alberta?

00:12:59.700 So I said, sure.

00:13:01.220 So where does their temperature trend start?

00:13:03.580 1950, which was in a downslope in a cool time when it goes up to now.

00:13:08.620 So, of course, there it looks like temperature is rising.

00:13:11.000 But if you look at the long term record, and we have almost 100 year records for many places

00:13:17.080 in Alberta and many places in Canada, it's like this.

00:13:21.820 So and in some places like that, and in very few places, slightly up.

00:13:27.340 But we're not warming three times faster than the average temperature of the world.

00:13:32.340 We're not.

00:13:32.980 It's just not happening.

00:13:34.300 So this house of cards cannot be criticized publicly.

00:13:38.020 This house of cards is about to fall.

00:13:42.040 So this is why they have to shut everybody up.

00:13:44.100 There's billions and trillions of dollars invested in green bonds.

00:13:49.320 There's a $1.5 trillion industry built up about it.

00:13:53.520 All these green groups, where do they get their money from? 0.74

00:13:56.300 Climate catastrophe.

00:13:57.980 Where do all the NGOs get their money from?

00:14:00.180 They say, send us money and we'll help stop climate change.

00:14:03.640 Now, if there's no human cause climate change happening on any catastrophic level, they're

00:14:09.980 all out of business.

00:14:11.240 So they're going to fight like hell to make sure that this climate catastrophe scenario

00:14:16.600 goes on.

00:14:17.300 And part of that is definitely shutting up any opposition or any questions, any inquiry,

00:14:23.580 and any data evidence-based source.

00:14:26.240 You know, and that's, we're already seeing that with coronavirus information on the internet.

00:14:34.360 We have to put a big blaring, although it's a little over the top and obnoxious for a reason,

00:14:39.680 because we do it in protest.

00:14:41.540 We have to put a warning in front of so many of our videos.

00:14:44.540 And a lot of our videos, friends at home, if you're ever watching, there is often a YouTube

00:14:50.480 version of a video and a rumble version of the same video, because there are certain things

00:14:56.460 that we are just not permitted to say on YouTube if we want to maintain our channel.

00:15:01.480 And while we don't like playing by YouTube's rules, we want to be able to have a means for

00:15:06.760 people to find us and then take an off-ramp onto some of the other platforms.

00:15:10.740 But we're already seeing it, that censorship happened so quickly with anybody who is skeptical

00:15:16.780 of the official coronavirus narrative.

00:15:19.460 Not that coronavirus isn't real, not that it's not deadly, but hey, maybe we could have

00:15:24.160 handled this a different way.

00:15:25.600 Hey, maybe there are some other problems with deaths that are not being counted, deaths of

00:15:30.880 despair and deaths of loneliness.

00:15:34.040 We can't even talk about those sorts of things on YouTube, or our channel will get killed.

00:15:38.260 And the same thing, they're just going to take that formula and throw it on top of climate

00:15:43.660 change.

00:15:44.660 That's what I think.

00:15:46.320 Well, and especially with climate change, people don't realize that big tech surpassed

00:15:53.340 all of the big oil companies.

00:15:55.580 Like Exxon was at the top of the most valued shares in the world for decades.

00:16:02.180 And recently, all of big tech surpassed Exxon, and it fell off the top 10.

00:16:08.260 And everyone was like, see, big oil doesn't matter anymore.

00:16:12.360 Well, people don't realize that the share value of all these big tech companies relies almost

00:16:20.460 entirely on the mistaken impression that they provide clean tech.

00:16:24.880 Right.

00:16:25.460 They don't have a carbon footprint.

00:16:26.800 Now, if you look at them, like Netflix, for instance, 15% of the world's internet usage,

00:16:35.260 you know, go and look up the servers for Facebook, for Google, for Amazon.

00:16:41.920 I mean, Amazon wasn't even reporting to the CDP, and they got an F every year.

00:16:47.280 They probably knew that if they reported, they would be deemed to be very dirty.

00:16:52.300 So, instead, Jeff Bezos put, what, $10 billion that he gave away to climate activists and bought

00:17:00.300 them off that way.

00:17:01.340 And he also is building that arena in Seattle.

00:17:04.940 What is it?

00:17:05.360 The climate arena or something?

00:17:07.720 Yeah.

00:17:08.220 Who calls an arena the climate arena?

00:17:10.160 I know.

00:17:11.120 So, you know, their share value relies on this climate catastrophe scenario as well.

00:17:16.800 So, of course, they want to prop it up because, you know, the real lie is that everything relies

00:17:23.080 on oil, gas, and coal to exist, to operate, but they like to pretend that they're completely

00:17:29.360 clean.

00:17:30.440 And therefore, the investors at the UNPRI, who are all dogmatically following Al Gore as

00:17:36.820 their financial guru, their fiduciary guru, they're all investing there and into things like

00:17:43.300 Tesla, believing that they're saving the planet and getting tons of money from you in the form

00:17:49.540 of subsidies, right?

00:17:51.460 So, Amazon is recently buying renewable energy certificates here in Alberta from a solar farm

00:17:58.760 going up.

00:17:59.280 So, that means you Albertans, you Canadians are supporting one of the richest companies

00:18:05.620 in the world with your subsidies because all these solar and wind farms are completely underwritten

00:18:14.700 by tax subsidies and sweet deals on things like flow-through shares and no environmental

00:18:20.640 impact reporting and no decommissioning required.

00:18:24.600 So, that's all going to be on us.

00:18:26.500 So, you know, it's not a green future.

00:18:28.540 It's an unsustainable, poor, brutal, poverty, heatery, poverty future. 1.00

00:18:36.100 That's what we're facing because of these stupid policies. 1.00

00:18:39.500 You know, again, referring back to my interview with Tom Harris, but one of the frequent drums 1.00

00:18:44.420 that he bangs is that, you know, the left is particularly the environmental left.

00:18:50.280 They say a lot of stuff about how they are pro-social justice and they're anti-capitalism.

00:18:58.000 Until such time as this big, sinister capitalist like Jeff Bezos dumps a pile of money on climate

00:19:06.020 change.

00:19:06.840 You know, and they complain about, you know, workers getting a living wage.

00:19:12.200 Okay, fine.

00:19:13.540 But maybe instead of Jeff Bezos dumping a bunch of money on climate change to make the activists

00:19:19.460 shut up, maybe he could have increased the wage of his employees.

00:19:22.760 But the activists really don't care about people. 0.74

00:19:25.340 It's a very anti-human ideology that the environmentalist left has.

00:19:31.100 That's true.

00:19:31.660 And that's actually, we talked before the show began about the fact that I was on Ben Stein's

00:19:36.340 panel show called The World According to Ben Stein.

00:19:41.460 And thanks very much to Mike Visser for making that connection for us.

00:19:45.000 But I was surprised to hear how Ben Stein also shares the view that this is really an anti-human

00:19:52.780 movement.

00:19:54.200 And he and I talked a lot about the fact that, you know, this is also written up by Michael

00:20:00.840 Crichton.

00:20:01.880 So just so that you know that there's more than one reference to it.

00:20:05.140 But we talked a lot about the fact that euthanasia and eugenics were key parts of government policy 0.68

00:20:11.460 in Germany, in the US and in Canada, throughout the 1900s to 1945.

00:20:19.860 And in Alberta, eugenics was policy was law up until 1972.

00:20:27.460 Now, there's an interesting crossover when eugenics goes out of favor, disappears, is delegitimized.

00:20:36.560 Climate change comes up.

00:20:38.060 And what's part of it?

00:20:39.260 A lot of it is about depopulation. 0.99

00:20:41.960 It's about getting rid of the useless eaters. 1.00

00:20:44.760 It's about the David Suzuki view that people, humans are like maggots defecating all over the 1.00

00:20:50.600 place. 0.98

00:20:50.960 You know, a real disgust for the basic joy of human life.

00:20:57.580 And I would say that this is my personal opinion, but I would say that that's an integral part

00:21:02.020 of all the attacks on the pastors and churches lately, because, you know, people of a Judeo-Christian 0.99

00:21:08.660 background value life however it is.

00:21:12.600 This is where, you know, they don't make the judgment and say, oh, because this individual

00:21:18.920 with Downs will never make $100,000 working in a regular job.

00:21:24.080 Therefore, why do we need to have them around?

00:21:27.240 You know, they say, look at this beautiful child.

00:21:29.260 This is a person that God made in God's image.

00:21:33.180 And, you know, if you look at Dante, you know, the image of humanity is like a beautiful rose

00:21:40.440 with a million different petals.

00:21:41.900 And every petal makes the rose beautiful.

00:21:44.960 So, you know, the value of human life is integral to that Judeo-Christian viewpoint, and that is

00:21:53.580 corrupted entirely by the Green Movement, which in fact has very deep roots in Nazi Germany

00:22:00.460 and this eugenics and euthanasia movement that was prevalent from the 1900s to 1945 there.

00:22:07.380 Like, it's horrifying when you read it.

00:22:10.120 They were, you know, they were just using the economics of Germany, especially during the 1920s,

00:22:18.560 and saying, you know, these people cost us a lot of money.

00:22:22.800 Why don't we just get rid of them?

00:22:26.060 I mean, that's it.

00:22:26.960 So this was very prevalent within Germany long before the Holocaust began.

00:22:31.220 And that should not diminish the horrors of the Holocaust, which was a different tact entirely, 0.58

00:22:37.020 taking this thinking and applying it to a specific group of people or groups of people

00:22:42.820 and, you know, getting rid of them en masse.

00:22:45.740 But all of those roots are very clearly founded in general life and economics prior to World

00:22:54.600 War II and the Holocaust.

00:22:55.600 And we see this replicated again when you see, and it's almost a very mainstream environmentalist

00:23:03.440 view to not have kids.

00:23:06.300 Yes.

00:23:06.840 You see that all the time.

00:23:08.300 They say, we don't want to bring the children into a world that's going to end. 0.99

00:23:12.280 It's irresponsible to bring these, as you say, useless eaters into a world where they'll 0.99

00:23:20.820 contribute to the end of the world. 0.98

00:23:23.740 And as a mother, I cannot imagine seeing my children that way.

00:23:29.080 But I suppose the environmentalist movement is cutting out the middleman of eugenics. 0.68

00:23:33.960 They're just doing it beforehand instead of after.

00:23:37.360 Well, also after.

00:23:38.960 I mean, why did MAID get passed recently? 0.87

00:23:41.340 You know, sweeping MAID regulations. 1.00

00:23:43.560 And we've talked about that before, that my brother chose to leave the world through MAID

00:23:49.700 because of his progressive degenerative condition.

00:23:54.720 But the medical system at the time worked very hard to make sure that he could certainly

00:23:59.800 live the best that he could with that condition.

00:24:03.520 And that's not going to happen anymore.

00:24:05.760 I mean, now you can just say, you know what?

00:24:07.560 I don't feel good.

00:24:08.680 How about MAID? 1.00

00:24:09.840 And they probably go, sure, here.

00:24:11.840 No, it's a very slippery slope.

00:24:15.760 And as you say, it's integral to this thinking that, you know, people are seen as a carbon

00:24:20.680 footprint and not as a human being.

00:24:22.860 And when you realize that carbon dioxide has nothing to do with any major change in the

00:24:30.520 climate, then, you know, then what is really the the policy behind this?

00:24:38.000 Yeah, you know, and again, just just my opinion.

00:24:40.740 But I think this is when what happens, this is the end stage of removing God from the culture,

00:24:46.060 those Judeo-Christian values, because you I don't see people as a carbon footprint.

00:24:51.440 I don't see my children as an infestation on the face of the earth.

00:24:54.920 I see them as image bearers of the divine created in God's own image.

00:24:59.460 And because of that, have inherent value.

00:25:02.100 And I think that when whether you're born poor or born rich, you're still an image bearer

00:25:07.200 of the divine.

00:25:08.140 And I think for much of the environmentalist movement, it's really I feel like it's neo

00:25:14.160 paganism.

00:25:15.160 God doesn't exist in that.

00:25:16.460 And humans control everything, not that extra higher power that you're accountable to.

00:25:22.180 Yeah.

00:25:22.300 And interesting that you mentioned neo paganism.

00:25:24.360 I don't know if you've seen the opening to the G7, but there was some sort of like

00:25:29.140 ceremonial entrance by some theatrical performers.

00:25:34.900 And as I watched it, I thought, wow, that's neo paganism right there. 0.60

00:25:39.500 What what are they doing at the G7?

00:25:41.420 This is supposed to be, you know, talking about the economy and society.

00:25:45.000 And they have all these creepy people running around in very weird, strange costumes,

00:25:50.480 performing curious rites.

00:25:54.260 You know, it's they're off the rails.

00:25:57.260 It does nothing to it does nothing for my tendency to be conspiracy minded when I see those sorts

00:26:04.480 of things.

00:26:04.980 So I try to avoid them.

00:26:07.140 Right.

00:26:07.900 You know, but whatever happened to, you know, celebrating the beautiful accomplishments of

00:26:14.480 human beings, the fact that we don't live in caves anymore, that people with damaging

00:26:19.520 conditions can be restored to health, can live a good life, that, you know, modern medicine

00:26:24.820 makes it possible to to do everything that before they broke the habit of flying, so to speak,

00:26:32.260 as WF calls it.

00:26:33.460 You know, just imagine tourism brought to places in the world, a whole economy, you know, some

00:26:40.400 of these small countries, their economies flourished, people's standards of living went up just because

00:26:46.140 of tourism and aviation.

00:26:48.260 Yeah.

00:26:49.080 You know, and and what's wrong with that?

00:26:51.380 Oh, the carbon footprint.

00:26:53.000 Yeah.

00:26:53.820 You know, that's actually sick.

00:26:56.440 It truly is.

00:26:57.460 That's why my friend David Mendez celebrates Human Achievement Day instead of Earth Day.

00:27:03.460 You know, to celebrate these vast leaps in in our quality of life brought to us by our

00:27:11.480 old friend fossil fuels.

00:27:12.900 Now, speaking of fossil fuels, how's that for a segue?

00:27:15.660 I wanted to talk to you about your latest report.

00:27:20.580 And it's what you really need to know about renewable energy that the Pembina Institute

00:27:26.160 won't tell you.

00:27:27.200 And the Pembina Institute has been kicking around for a long time here in Alberta.

00:27:30.700 They are perennial grant recipients, both both federally and municipally.

00:27:37.120 But they really actually provincially as well.

00:27:40.560 I just know that we did access to information and we found, you know, how much money the city of

00:27:47.400 Calgary, of all places, was dumping into Pembina.

00:27:50.060 We know they get so much money from Justin Trudeau.

00:27:52.640 But yes, it is a great shame that they are still, you know, drinking from the teat of

00:27:58.560 the taxpayer here in Alberta while actively trying to put us all out of work and force

00:28:04.940 these green energy scams on us.

00:28:08.240 Yes.

00:28:08.880 Well, we did a live stream of our recent report and we have a team of professional engineers

00:28:13.380 who went through a document that Pembina Institute published in August of 2020.

00:28:21.940 And it was called What You Really Need to Know About Renewables.

00:28:24.820 And it was really, you know, sort of a trip to fantasy land.

00:28:28.580 And they especially made up quite a bit of stuff about how great the solar resources are

00:28:33.780 here in Canada, especially in Alberta.

00:28:36.300 And on their map, they tried to show that there were fantastic solar resources all over

00:28:43.200 the place here.

00:28:43.940 And it's true that in Alberta, the solar resources are better than any other place in Canada,

00:28:49.800 but they're still very poor or medium by comparison to places like Arizona.

00:28:57.200 But they didn't compare us to Arizona.

00:28:59.160 They compared us to like Miami and Rio de Janeiro.

00:29:01.840 And so our professional engineers went through and they did a very complete qualitative analysis.

00:29:10.880 So when you hear someone say this solar farm can power 15,000 houses, that's not true.

00:29:18.460 Solar energy can power zero houses reliably, zero houses reliably.

00:29:25.700 And when you start to do the calculations and you see how much extra energy you need to back

00:29:31.620 up solar and wind, you find out, oh, actually, they contribute almost nothing.

00:29:36.700 They cost a fortune.

00:29:37.780 And it's only because we have conventional natural gas and coal still on the grid and hydro,

00:29:44.400 and that we can import hydro coal from BC and from Montana and Saskatchewan.

00:29:52.000 It's the only reason why they operate.

00:29:54.180 So these guys are, you know, pushing constantly to add more and more wind and solar and get rid of even natural gas.

00:30:03.780 You know, the theory is for net zero 2020 that no one will use natural gas anymore.

00:30:10.640 We'll all use electricity.

00:30:12.460 Do you have any idea how much that would cost?

00:30:16.460 You know, it would be more money than people make in a year just to power your home and to go to natural,

00:30:27.120 to go to electrification completely.

00:30:29.560 It would be right off the scale.

00:30:32.200 So, you know, you have to read our report and see what this qualitative analysis does.

00:30:36.440 It shows that Pembina Institute is misleading the policymakers and the public in every way on wind and solar,

00:30:44.060 and they're taking lots of money from the government.

00:30:47.720 So if you're going to get taxpayer money and make policy recommendations,

00:30:52.860 should you not be required to be accurate?

00:30:55.800 And I did a live stream on that, and I show that they're also getting money from foreign sources.

00:31:00.940 In 2018, they got, I think it was about half a million dollars from the Energy Foundation in the U.S. to push clean energy.

00:31:10.740 Well, you know, does that organization or parties associated with it have vested interests in the renewables that will be installed in Alberta?

00:31:19.660 So, you know, there's lots of very big questions about what these guys are up to.

00:31:24.280 And I think our qualitative analysis shows that they are completely wrong.

00:31:30.120 Now, that said, we'd be quite happy to engage in any open dialogue.

00:31:35.960 We can present all of the modeling that we used, all of the sources that we used, all the data sources.

00:31:41.740 They're all public anyway.

00:31:43.360 But, you know, we'd be happy to be challenged on it and prove our point.

00:31:49.160 Open debate with the other side.

00:31:52.280 What a bizarre concept.

00:31:54.080 Good luck to you to get those people to the table.

00:31:56.360 You know, and it's strange to hear that these advocates, again, for social justice, advocating for energy policy that would basically take up vast tracts of arable land, because that's what it would require.

00:32:14.200 Sure, we've got lots of sunlight here in Alberta.

00:32:16.600 We use it to grow food, to feed the world, you know, or, you know, we have these enormous tracts of boreal forests, which the environmentalists tell me they love.

00:32:27.880 But we would have to mow down huge swaths of it to put up toxic solar farms. 0.67

00:32:33.300 And that's the way of the future, I guess, for them.

00:32:36.040 But no pipelines.

00:32:36.940 Remember, no pipelines.

00:32:37.820 That little skinny line through the bush.

00:32:40.020 That's going to be under the ground.

00:32:41.340 That's going to be a huge problem.

00:32:42.660 Yeah, well, and the other thing that people don't realize, you know, people who hate pipelines should realize if they are pushing electrification and wind and solar, what's going to have to be built, oh, and EVs as well, is huge, massive transmission lines everywhere you look.

00:33:00.720 And in fact, in Matthew Embry's film, Global Warning, which, by the way, has just won a Remy Award at the Houston Film Festival, and also just got selected for the Miami Film Festival.

00:33:14.560 And this is one of the Canadian content films that, without Bill C-10, no media covers.

00:33:20.200 Anyway, in his film, Catherine Abreu of Canrac is traveling around in Germany, and you see all these wind farms everywhere and transmission lines everywhere, and she's saying, yeah, you know, I hope Canada looks like this.

00:33:34.680 This is my vision of Canada, and, you know, people who work on pipelines, they can just switch over and build these things instead.

00:33:40.520 Like, you know, there are two different kinds of jobs, and really, would you rather have a pipeline under the ground, where for 50 years you don't even know it's there until some environmental group starts the Tar Sands campaign, or to have massive high-voltage power lines running everywhere, buzzing, and you won't have a say in it, because Bill C-10 and Bill C-12, you'll just have to shut up and grin and bear it.

00:34:09.100 Yeah, and, you know, that reminds me of our mutual friend, Morine Poole's documentary, in which he showed how the pursuit of green energy, and in much of his movie, he points out that it's biofuels, as opposed to, you know, just natural gas, fossil fuels.

00:34:29.240 It took up so much arable land, farmers quit growing food, because they were living off the subsidies to grow biofuels.

00:34:40.660 Yes, and it destroys the land, because it's a monocrop, and, you know, it, as you say, it destroys local agriculture.

00:34:50.600 In his film, it's memorable, because he jumps on a tractor and starts driving around the region trying to find a potato farmer, and can't find one.

00:34:58.460 And then, he talks with someone who tells him, you know, after the war, a woman came to the rural area looking for potatoes, and had a bag full of very expensive jewelry, and just wanted to trade that for potatoes.

00:35:15.460 And, you know, that's, I think I've mentioned this on your show before, but Amartya Sen, who's a Nobel Prize winning economist, did a study, and they found that in countries where there was no censorship of the press, even in difficult times, people survived.

00:35:33.800 But in countries where there was censorship of the press, famine was rampant in the land, and the greatest famines throughout history happened in countries where the press was censored.

00:35:45.520 Wow.

00:35:47.080 On that dark note, let's move on to the IPCC.

00:35:52.400 They've leaked a report to the friendly media, and you and I were talking off air.

00:35:57.320 I think they leaked it to friendly media so that the media downstream from there know exactly the expected narrative for them to craft when they report on the information inside this leaked report that isn't due out for another year.

00:36:11.940 But it's interesting how these things go to journalists all the time and not to other scientists.

00:36:16.300 Right.

00:36:17.960 It was actually the French Association des Climatorealistes who first issued a press statement, you know, very upset that this report had been leaked to the press and not provided so that others could see it.

00:36:34.860 And people might be wondering, well, what does it matter if it's going to come out in a year?

00:36:38.520 What's the big rush?

00:36:39.980 Why is this a problem?

00:36:41.660 The principal reason is that in the fall of this year, in November, there will be a COP26, Conference of the Parties.

00:36:50.440 So this is all the people who signed up to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change back in the 1990s.

00:36:58.300 This is the 26th time that they've met.

00:37:01.800 Emissions have been going up every year ever since, even though every year they promise they're going to cut them by a dramatic amount.

00:37:08.580 So this is like a run up to COP by claiming that the climate community is saying there's a catastrophe coming.

00:37:17.360 So that will help the COP negotiators push their rule book into place.

00:37:23.220 Now, up till now, the Paris Agreement that Catherine McKenna signed, and she didn't even know what a COP was at the time.

00:37:30.240 The Paris Agreement has been voluntary.

00:37:35.940 The only thing countries actually had to do was to report every five years on what they were up to, what their emissions were, what their plans were.

00:37:44.700 They didn't actually have to do anything.

00:37:46.460 So COP26, they're trying to force into place the Paris rule book and make it mandatory to cut emissions.

00:37:54.560 And as Ben Stein pointed out on the show when I talked with him, he said, this is absurd.

00:38:00.920 You know, this is giving China the lead in the world. 0.95

00:38:06.840 This is taking away our ability to be independent, sovereign nations.

00:38:13.100 And that's what they're going to try and do at COP26 in November.

00:38:17.440 And that's why the leak of this report was so critical, because now the media, as you say, can, you know, hype the catastrophe scenario.

00:38:27.260 But no other scientists can look at this report and say, well, actually, you know, they say that might happen on page 12.

00:38:35.080 But on page 55, they say, based on 100 years of evidence, it won't happen.

00:38:40.720 You know, so and so it's terrible that, you know, it wasn't why didn't they give it to a scientific body like the Association for the Advancement of Sciences in the States or to some science journal and have a number of other qualified experts review it and issue their commentaries as well.

00:39:04.120 Why the media? The only thing the media know about climate change is that there are 400 of them are part of Covering Climate Now, which is a Columbia Journalism Review initiative that reaches 2 billion people.

00:39:19.520 Wow.

00:39:19.980 They publish everything in bright orange and they do nothing but hype climate catastrophe.

00:39:34.120 You know, the tagline on my show, it's remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:39:42.280 Well, through Bill C-10, the government is literally putting the idea that maybe you might be getting just a little bit too much to think on the Internet into law.

00:39:53.900 They're doing this to prevent you from being exposed to new and different ideas, unapproved ideas, I guess.

00:40:01.820 Now, am I an oracle? Do I have a crystal ball or a crystal brain, as they say?

00:40:08.220 Or do I just know that so often the people on the left, they really believe that they're right, but they don't know that they're right and they don't have the supporting facts.

00:40:18.880 So that puts them in a position where they're unable to defend their bad ideas on the merits of the bad idea.

00:40:26.140 And when you can't do that, the only thing left to do, to win an argument, is to forcibly shut the other side up.

00:40:34.540 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:40:38.180 I'll see everybody back here at the same time.

00:40:42.340 Who knows if it's the same place next week.

00:40:44.360 But remember, Bill C-10 or not, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:40:56.140 They're good, bro.

00:41:08.100 I'll see you next week.

00:41:10.160 Bye-bye.

00:41:14.820 Bye.

00:41:18.800 Bye.

00:41:19.240 Bye.

00:41:19.540 Bye.

00:41:19.980 Bye-bye.

00:41:20.340 Bye.

00:41:20.760 Bye.

00:41:21.340 Bye.

00:41:21.840 Bye.

Rebel News Podcast - July 01, 2021

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ How Trudeau's Bill C-10 will change what you say about climate change

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