Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Ottawans are holding their local politicians to account for their expensive climate plan

00:00:00.000 Regular citizens are fighting back against the city of Ottawa's enormously expensive

00:00:04.280 climate change strategy. I'll show you exactly what they did.

00:00:08.760 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:11.560 Did you know that the city of Ottawa has a climate change plan in excess of $50, $50 billion?

00:00:35.820 The city of Ottawa, not Ottawa as a proxy for the government of Canada as a whole,

00:00:44.160 the city of Ottawa expects the taxpayers of the city of Ottawa, the residents of the city of Ottawa,

00:00:50.600 to be on the hook for a climate change plan in excess of $50 billion.

00:00:56.640 It's crazy, right? Well, it's even crazier that Calgary is doing the same,

00:01:01.320 except Calgary's climate change plan is in excess of $80 billion.

00:01:08.320 Did the residents of Calgary ever get a say before city council passed that plan?

00:01:16.460 Did they ever get a chance to fight back? Can they still fight back?

00:01:19.960 Well, let me tell you, the residents of Ottawa are fighting back.

00:01:23.840 They are turning up at special meetings and asking questions of their politicians.

00:01:28.540 And instead of answering the questions, politicians appear to be turning on the people a little bit.

00:01:34.460 Now, joining me tonight is Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition.

00:01:38.100 He's going to break down exactly what those pesky, curious, critical citizens did

00:01:44.780 at a special meeting in Ottawa,

00:01:48.900 and maybe lay the groundwork for other citizens of other cities to do the same.

00:01:56.100 Take a listen.

00:01:58.540 So joining me now is good friend of the show and my friend, Tom Harris,

00:02:08.100 from the International Climate Science Coalition Canada

00:02:10.600 to explain what unfolded at the City of Ottawa's Climate Change Committee.

00:02:16.260 Because there is a real story in here that I think other cities and other citizens of other cities should learn from.

00:02:28.740 Things are happening in Ottawa that could very easily be happening in Calgary and frankly should be happening in Calgary.

00:02:35.560 Tom, thanks for coming on the show.

00:02:36.680 So tell us exactly what, I guess let's go back a little.

00:02:41.560 The City of Ottawa has a Climate Change Committee?

00:02:44.720 Like that seems a little bit crazy to me.

00:02:46.240 Yeah, that's right.

00:02:47.500 Yeah, that's right.

00:02:48.380 They have an Environment and Climate Change Committee.

00:02:51.160 And, you know, they were previously all crazy climate wackos.

00:02:54.800 And the City of Ottawa passed a $57 billion climate change plan after declaring a climate emergency.

00:03:02.780 And as a consequence, what happened was the city was given the job of making an appropriate plan to respond to the emergency.

00:03:10.460 So they made this climate change master plan and also something called energy evolution.

00:03:15.360 And talk about evolution, it's more like a revolution.

00:03:19.500 They want to have no fossil fuels anywhere in the city.

00:03:23.360 They want to have the city run largely on wind and solar power.

00:03:27.420 And the numbers will just stagger you.

00:03:29.460 They want 710 industrial wind turbines taller than the Peace Tower.

00:03:34.600 Okay.

00:03:35.520 Of course, the question comes up, where are you going to put them?

00:03:38.400 And it was funny because during the mayor election that we just had back in the fall,

00:03:42.840 you know, there were quite a few Ottomans who went to the microphone and said,

00:03:46.460 where are you going to put 710 turbines taller than the Peace Tower?

00:03:50.500 Because you can't have a home within a half a kilometer of those by Ontario regulations.

00:03:55.240 And even that's too close because it makes infrasound that goes right through your body and through the building and everything.

00:04:01.860 So the leading contender for mayor was Catherine McKinney. 0.99

00:04:06.000 And Catherine McKinney, she just sort of giggled and said, oh, haha, we didn't really think we could put 700.

00:04:12.340 So you sort of say, well, why did you actually have it in your plan if you don't think you can do it?

00:04:17.280 But anyway, in addition to that, they want to have 36 square kilometers of solar panels

00:04:22.560 and well over 100 large shipping containers of lithium batteries to back them up

00:04:28.140 because at least they realize that they're inconsistent energy sources.

00:04:31.580 But, you know, it's crazy to have the batteries because the biggest battery pack in the world is in California.

00:04:37.160 And one of our physicists did a calculation and showed that if California's power went out,

00:04:43.180 the biggest battery pack in the world could power the state for 102 seconds.

00:04:47.940 And that would be enough, as he said, to find a flashlight.

00:04:52.260 But the interesting thing is that during the election,

00:04:55.620 Catherine McKinney had a significant lead for almost the whole election. 0.97

00:04:59.020 But various things happened.

00:05:01.700 Quite a few people, you know, we put out a report on the climate change plan.

00:05:04.900 I was going around the city giving presentations, showing how insane it was.

00:05:09.200 And our economics expert, Bob Lyman, was doing really super, super excellent work on the economic and policy impacts.

00:05:17.160 And sure enough, at the very last minute, everybody who was voting for a secondary, tertiary or whatever candidates,

00:05:23.580 they all joined on board with the one candidate who could beat McKinney.

00:05:27.800 And that was Mark Sutcliffe.

00:05:29.920 And he suddenly soared at the very end to just over 50 percent of the vote and the victory.

00:05:35.740 So that was really interesting because I think it showed Ottawa's if you actually stand up for something

00:05:40.940 and you actually push it and you grill the politicians with sensible but, you know, not easy to answer questions.

00:05:47.640 You know, one of the ladies, for example, Danielle Mayo, because I met her later, 0.99

00:05:51.800 she went to the microphone and she said, I don't want my city to be electrified on the backs of African children. 1.00

00:05:58.820 I'm a mother.

00:05:59.520 I'm a grandmother.

00:06:00.280 I don't want this.

00:06:01.540 You know, so she was saying that.

00:06:02.940 And, you know, the councillors or at least the people that were running to be mayor, they had no answer.

00:06:08.040 They couldn't answer.

00:06:09.260 And people said later that was like the atom bomb question.

00:06:13.760 Yeah.

00:06:14.220 Because what are you going to say?

00:06:15.320 Oh, I don't care about the children.

00:06:16.800 We're going to electrify Ottawa.

00:06:18.240 Or are you going to say, oh, well, I guess we won't electrify Ottawa.

00:06:22.240 Now, there's more sort of details on that as to where they get the cobalt.

00:06:26.300 You know, it might not be using children.

00:06:27.960 We don't really know.

00:06:29.000 But the bottom line was that experience showed Ottawa's you can make a difference.

00:06:34.020 OK, now this is really applicable to the committee hearings that are going on now.

00:06:38.720 The one that happened last week was the annual report of the Climate Change Master Plan.

00:06:44.460 And so, of course, I went there and so did Bob Lyman.

00:06:46.760 You know, we're both members of ICSC Canada.

00:06:48.820 But also other Ottawa's showed up and they asked really, really good questions, you know.

00:06:55.460 And it was quite interesting because we've actually grabbed those questions from the YouTube video of the committee hearing.

00:07:02.780 And we show all five of them.

00:07:04.920 If people go to ICSC-Canada.com, ICSC-Canada.com, the first button says, Ottawa's Challenge Cities Climate and Energy Plans at Committee Meeting.

00:07:15.880 And you can watch their hearings.

00:07:17.480 OK, you can watch the testimonies.

00:07:18.900 And, you know, we should go through some of them because I think this demonstrates, you know, it's funny.

00:07:25.280 I have a friend in British Columbia and he says, I hope Ottawa does go through with their plan because there will be such a catastrophe in Ottawa.

00:07:33.120 So many people will die.

00:07:34.640 They'll never do it in B.C.

00:07:36.380 But I think, you know, conservatives have to take their victories where they can get them.

00:07:42.880 Yeah.

00:07:43.340 And I think we've got a pretty critical mass here in Ottawa of people who now realize that the climate change plans are insane.

00:07:51.040 OK, I've been giving presentations all over the city for the last couple of years.

00:07:55.200 And, you know, practically every week now I get an invitation to go to some group.

00:08:00.060 Usually it's a freedom group, you know, because these people are concerned about climate lockdown and things like that.

00:08:05.800 But as a consequence, people are reading our report and they're taking chunks out of it and they're starting to grill the actual committee on climate change.

00:08:16.120 And so I have here actually the five testimonies that were presented.

00:08:20.100 I'm doing it chronologically.

00:08:21.800 So mine is first.

00:08:23.440 But I'll just play you mine and then we can talk about it.

00:08:26.540 Because what was quite funny is after my hearing, there was one question, just one.

00:08:32.440 It came from my councillor.

00:08:34.160 And you'll see he tries to pin me as a supporter of the tobacco industry.

00:08:41.100 Yeah.

00:08:41.720 And it's funny.

00:08:43.040 Yeah, I know.

00:08:44.080 And afterwards, you know, people said that my answer to him owned him.

00:08:49.500 Tom, I know you to be a bit of a fitness buff.

00:08:53.040 This is crazy.

00:08:54.620 Yeah, I know.

00:08:55.260 And you'll especially laugh when I explain how I actually work to get smoking banned on airplanes when I was an airworthiness engineer.

00:09:02.400 For safety reasons.

00:09:03.960 But I'll play you just a snippet, the end of my testimony.

00:09:07.400 Not all of it.

00:09:08.020 Just let's see, one minute approximately.

00:09:10.360 Actually, yeah, something like that.

00:09:12.520 And I'll play you also the question that came from Sean Devine.

00:09:17.680 Because, oh man.

00:09:18.780 People who are watching this later said that his face went all red because he looked like a bit of a moron at that moment.

00:09:26.300 So here we go.

00:09:27.000 As the seventh coldest capital city in the world, it's irresponsible for Ottawa to only plan for warming when cooling is far more dangerous and some scientists would say more likely.

00:09:38.420 It would be like going on a camping trip in an area known to be infested with mosquitoes and black bears and only planning for the mosquitoes.

00:09:47.140 Yes, the bugs can drive you crazy, but the black bears can kill you.

00:09:51.320 Similarly, heat in Ottawa is not fatal, except for the elderly and other vulnerable citizens.

00:09:58.380 And those are people, of course, we should protect.

00:10:00.780 But everyone can die when it's minus 30 with no heat.

00:10:06.140 Consequently, I ask the committee to direct city staff to incorporate serious preparation for cooling into the climate change master plan.

00:10:14.840 I welcome your comments and questions.

00:10:17.480 Okay, thank you for that delegation.

00:10:18.580 Councillor Devine.

00:10:20.220 Thank you, Chair.

00:10:22.100 Hello, Mr. Harris.

00:10:23.760 I'm working from home today, so I can't see below your arm.

00:10:28.000 So I can't tell if you brought in all of those books that you wrote, that you brought in last time.

00:10:33.560 I imagine they're pretty heavy to carry.

00:10:35.680 So you're a frequent delegate at these meetings.

00:10:39.120 You've delegated at meetings for my ward as well.

00:10:42.300 And because you're a frequent delegate, I just want to ask a couple of questions to speak to credentials and credibility.

00:10:47.660 Sure.

00:10:48.380 So you've let us know that you're the executive director of the International Climate Science Coalition.

00:10:53.840 Thank you.

00:10:54.180 I see that you're also associated with the Heartland Institute, where you're listed as a policy expert.

00:11:02.360 The Heartland Institute certainly has a lovely name.

00:11:06.480 From what I understand, the Heartland Institute is a U.S.-based conservative think tank that is best known for the work that it does, such as what you do, challenging climate science, but also for the work that it's done in challenging the well-known negative health impacts of smoking.

00:11:25.960 Throughout the 1990s and as recently as 2008, the Heartland Institute was working with tobacco company Philip Morris to discredit health risks associated with secondhand smoking.

00:11:39.120 And so my first question for you, Mr. Harris, do you know whether or not the Heartland Institute, with whom you're associated, still denies damage done by secondhand smoke?

00:11:48.480 Point of order, Mr. Chair.

00:11:51.380 State your point.

00:11:51.980 My colleague's question does not relate to the matter at hand on the agenda.

00:11:57.700 I'm going to agree.

00:11:59.000 I would like to say something.

00:12:00.440 I think I'll let the delegate just respond on the piece around the Heartland Institute, and then I think we need to move on.

00:12:08.100 Okay.

00:12:08.740 Thank you.

00:12:09.340 I only advise the Heartland Institute on climate and energy.

00:12:12.480 I have no involvement with their tobacco issue, and I don't actually know specifically what they say.

00:12:17.420 But I used to work for Transport Canada, and as a non-smoker, and at that time a very strong anti-smoker, I actually petitioned the Minister of Transport to stop smoking allowed on long-haul flights because of safety implications.

00:12:31.400 It actually shares the smoke throughout the whole cabin, and the pilots therefore have a reduction in visual acuity, which is measurable.

00:12:38.980 And we petitioned the Minister to ban smoking on airplanes.

00:12:43.760 So to associate me with tobacco is funny because, of course, I am on the other side of the argument.

00:12:50.040 Heartland have roughly 150 advisors on many, many topics, and about twice a year they ask me for some input, and I give it to them.

00:12:57.940 But they don't pay me, and certainly, you know, their other issues are not related to my work on climate.

00:13:04.720 Okay.

00:13:04.940 Thank you.

00:13:07.680 That's so funny, Tom, because they immediately, instead of just answering the question, he goes after you personally.

00:13:15.660 By the way, Philip Morris was involved in the developing of a COVID vaccine for, I think it was Medicago, Medicago.

00:13:25.920 I think it was, they, you know, the government gave them a bunch of money to develop a COVID vaccine.

00:13:32.460 So the government didn't think Philip Morris was such a bad guy until very, very recently.

00:13:36.660 So why should you?

00:13:37.940 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:38.780 Well, I mean, what he did was a guilt by association logical fallacy.

00:13:43.060 I mean, he was just basically trying to say, you can't trust anything this Harris character says because he worked with people who support smoking, you know?

00:13:51.280 It was quite funny.

00:13:52.960 Now, the next person to speak was Bob Lyman, and that was a long, by the way, the one we just played was by far the longest of them, because I wanted to include his silly question, because it just shows.

00:14:04.880 He didn't ask, oh, what should we do to prepare for cooling?

00:14:08.400 You know, not a sensible question, which would have been obvious.

00:14:11.560 Instead, he tries to discredit me.

00:14:13.580 You know, if I were you, I would have asked him, what are your credentials to be applying on climate change issues?

00:14:21.620 Because this is the work that I've done.

00:14:24.140 You tell me where you come from.

00:14:25.920 Well, it is interesting.

00:14:27.060 Sean Devine, a fellow, sent me a link, actually.

00:14:30.120 Sean was an actor, and he was in a horror film.

00:14:33.560 Right, I remember.

00:14:34.740 I think he ran for the NDP also, didn't he?

00:14:37.020 Oh, something like that, yeah.

00:14:38.500 So obviously, he's very well qualified to speak on climate change.

00:14:41.320 Now, Bob Lyman is our economics expert, and I just have a little snippet at the end, because he really put it in a nutshell.

00:14:50.860 You know, he just basically nailed it at the very end of his testimony.

00:14:54.040 This is only about 25 seconds.

00:14:55.520 So here we go.

00:14:56.020 The basic reality here is that reducing emissions in Canada will have essentially zero effect in terms of global temperatures and climate.

00:15:13.300 The Ottawa climate plan proposes to spend somewhere between $52 and $57 billion to reduce emissions and to do Ottawa's share, whatever that might be, to contribute to climate change.

00:15:31.140 So you have a $52 to $57 billion expenditure, and you have zero environmental benefits.

00:15:39.320 That won't pass any kind of a cost-benefit test in any government in the world.

00:15:44.900 Except, of course, the Trudeau government.

00:15:47.440 Right.

00:15:48.200 Right.

00:15:49.260 No, I guess what he could have said is it won't pass any cost-benefit analysis in any rational government in the world.

00:15:56.200 Well, yeah, and I think that's really the crux of the argument.

00:16:00.440 Even if you believe that climate change is just lurking out there to get you, how do you justify the expenditure for the literally net benefit of zero?

00:16:11.880 Oh, yeah.

00:16:12.200 As Canadians, there's not enough of us to affect change anyways.

00:16:15.620 We're a carbon sink.

00:16:16.760 We're one of the most treed places in the world.

00:16:19.760 Sorry, we didn't do any of this.

00:16:21.780 If you think it's happening, we didn't do it.

00:16:23.840 Sorry.

00:16:24.060 Well, I know.

00:16:25.820 It's very much, you know, if you thought we were causing dangerous climate change, it's like you're in an inflatable life raft, and you're puncturing it with a pin, which may cause it to leak out over a period of a year, and your neighbor is using a chainsaw.

00:16:39.540 Yeah.

00:16:40.260 Right through it.

00:16:41.180 That's China. 0.88

00:16:42.180 China has double the emissions of the United States.

00:16:44.320 They're building coal stations all over the world.

00:16:46.200 They just put billions of dollars into a new refinery.

00:16:49.340 They're clearly going to do nothing.

00:16:51.180 They obviously consider it a really great, it's fantastic for them, because, of course, we lose our jobs and our industry to them.

00:16:59.300 And then, of course, the greenhouse gases go up even faster, because they don't have as clean an energy source as we do.

00:17:05.540 Now, the next one was Nigel Ellis.

00:17:07.940 He was a citizen of Ottawa, and he actually, it's interesting, because he, and by the way, all of these, the whole testimonies, each one's about five minutes, is on our webpage, okay?

00:17:16.160 If you go right to our homepage, icsc-canada.com, the upper left-hand button, click on it, and you can watch all these testimonies.

00:17:23.200 One thing we're going to have on that webpage, by the way, is the Twitter handles of every councillor on the committee.

00:17:30.880 And what we're hoping, and this is where, you know, as I said earlier, if we can win in Ottawa, we can win anywhere.

00:17:38.880 Yeah.

00:17:39.980 Because Ottawa is not only left-wing, but it's heavily government employees, okay?

00:17:44.740 Many, many of the people in the city work for the government.

00:17:46.920 So this could be a real proof of concept as to how citizens can speak up and completely change woke, terrible policies.

00:17:56.620 So the next one is, his name is Nigel Ellis.

00:18:00.860 And earlier on, and again, I'm only going to play the last 30 seconds, he goes through the numbers.

00:18:06.660 He says, okay, here's how much Ottawa puts out.

00:18:08.940 Here's how much the world puts out.

00:18:10.920 Here's what the change would be in temperature if Ottawa ceased to exist.

00:18:15.240 And the answer is, it would be one ten thousandths of a degree by 2100.

00:18:23.140 Do you know what? As an Albertan, I think it's worth it.

00:18:26.980 And my friend in B.C., he wants us to go ahead with this.

00:18:32.300 Anyway, we'll evacuate the good ones and push the rest into the riddle.

00:18:37.360 That's right. So here goes Nigel Ellis. OK, he's a project manager.

00:18:40.980 He was previously VP of research of a health care software development company.

00:18:46.020 So he knows about transitions. OK, he knows about big I.T. and other projects.

00:18:52.100 And well, you'll hear what he says.

00:18:56.160 So when these issues were raised to the candidates during the Merrill candidate debate in Orleans last fall,

00:19:02.940 the response given was that it was Ottawa's objective to show leadership to the world.

00:19:07.600 We were expected to believe that the world is going to follow Ottawa.

00:19:12.620 Yet China has made it crystal clear that they are not slowing down.

00:19:16.780 They will not follow Ottawa.

00:19:18.700 And I would argue that they have no intention of following this.

00:19:22.400 They're actually increasing coal consumption considerably.

00:19:24.960 Statista forecast that they will consume 4,420 million short tons of coal in 2023,

00:19:34.100 138 times Canada's forecast consumption.

00:19:39.260 Also note China has recently approved $20 billion to build another petroleum refining plant.

00:19:45.180 So it seems clear that China has no intention of reducing its CO2 emissions any time in the foreseeable future.

00:19:51.380 The same applies to India.

00:19:52.860 My conclusion is that Ottawa's climate change master plan has no perceived benefit and will be a massive fiscal sinkhole.

00:20:02.780 So my main question is, when the key countries of the world are not reducing CO2 emissions at all,

00:20:08.780 and Ottawa's plan doesn't change the global numbers at all,

00:20:12.400 why are you expecting us to pay an additional tens of billions of dollars for no benefit?

00:20:17.120 Wow. Why are you expecting us to pay tens of billions of dollars for no benefit?

00:20:24.320 I mean, he just nailed it, you know?

00:20:26.340 I mean, and so, you know, these are people that, you know, they don't have any high-level positions or anything,

00:20:31.900 but they learned about it.

00:20:33.340 They learned enough to actually realize that thing's crazy.

00:20:36.620 And that's why, you know, this is so valuable.

00:20:38.640 Well, and I believe that these studies, these question-asters, they've studied this topic far more

00:20:47.320 than the people making the decisions for these same people to pay tens of billions of dollars

00:20:54.280 for absolutely no benefit in the end.

00:20:57.300 I mean, to say that they're going to put up, you know,

00:21:01.400 dozens and dozens and dozens of wind turbines,

00:21:05.120 and then you ask them, where are you going to put them?

00:21:06.800 Well, we never give any thought to that.

00:21:08.560 Uh-oh, yeah.

00:21:09.680 You know, like, the people who are asking these questions have really seriously considered

00:21:15.160 the tangible effects to their everyday lives due to these climate change policies,

00:21:20.160 and the people who are drafting the policy have never even given it that thought.

00:21:23.280 They just think climate change is bad, we'll spend whatever it takes,

00:21:26.640 and the people are going to like it.

00:21:28.000 Yeah.

00:21:28.140 That's the mantra under which they operate.

00:21:30.060 That's right.

00:21:31.140 And, you know, it's not just knowledge, because there's a lot of people in Ottawa

00:21:34.860 who know these are crazy plans.

00:21:37.140 There are a lot of scientists in Ottawa, at Carleton and Ottawa U and other places,

00:21:40.660 who know there's no climate crisis.

00:21:42.660 But the main ingredient that these people have is courage, okay?

00:21:46.520 Yes.

00:21:46.700 They're prepared to go on the record, you know, on the internet,

00:21:50.600 in front of the whole committee.

00:21:52.160 And I don't think all the committee are crazy, you know,

00:21:54.300 because there's new people on the committee.

00:21:55.760 And, of course, our hope is that they will see how stupid this is,

00:21:59.100 because they don't have a, you know, they don't own it,

00:22:02.060 because they didn't make it.

00:22:03.100 Right.

00:22:03.300 It's not theirs. 0.96

00:22:04.440 They can be critical of it.

00:22:05.520 It's not their baby.

00:22:06.760 Yeah.

00:22:07.200 Now, the next one is beautiful.

00:22:08.900 It's a former teacher, and she's approaching it as a teacher, okay?

00:22:13.280 She's basically saying, you didn't do your homework, you know?

00:22:15.860 And, well, you'll hear what she has to say.

00:22:17.560 It's really fun.

00:22:18.400 This is Karen Bordeaux.

00:22:20.040 Bordeaux, I think, is how you pronounce it.

00:22:21.520 Bordeaux.

00:22:22.480 And she just takes him to task, you know?

00:22:24.800 Well, you'll see.

00:22:25.640 I won't rob her.

00:22:26.960 Okay.

00:22:26.980 Don't ruin it.

00:22:27.640 Yeah.

00:22:30.640 Can you tell us about any other city of a million or more population

00:22:35.260 that has successfully followed the sort of transportation-related climate

00:22:38.820 and energy plans being planned for Ottawa?

00:22:42.620 If no such example exists, why not carry out a pilot study

00:22:47.260 on a small subset of Ottawa's population,

00:22:49.880 perhaps composed of the members of this committee

00:22:52.060 or city employees who are promoting the plan?

00:22:55.340 Such a study would entail all participants switching over to an electric vehicle

00:23:01.220 and an electric home, heating, and only commuting by transit, walking, and cycling.

00:23:06.940 Participants could also commit to retrofitting their homes

00:23:09.860 in accordance with the plans the city now wants us all to follow.

00:23:12.900 Then, after a reasonable time frame, they could report to the committee their experiences during the trial period

00:23:19.960 to better inform you on the likely real impacts of cities' plans were they to be carried out on the whole of Ottawa.

00:23:28.180 If a student were to approach me with suggestions that the class switch over to a radically new way of learning,

00:23:35.360 I would ask, have you tried it yourself?

00:23:37.580 If their answer was no, then I would tell them to try it out and let me know how things went.

00:23:43.120 Similarly, I ask this committee to do your homework before further considering compelling the whole city

00:23:50.440 to radically change the way we live.

00:23:54.320 Thank you.

00:23:55.380 Wow. I mean, that was great.

00:23:57.160 I love the analogy she made.

00:23:58.760 It was like a student coming to her and saying,

00:24:01.140 oh, I have a totally new way to teach this class.

00:24:03.720 And the teacher says, well, a totally new way to learn.

00:24:06.840 And the teacher says, oh, have you tried it yourself?

00:24:09.560 Well, no.

00:24:10.360 Oh, OK, well, go try it yourself and tell us what happens.

00:24:14.340 And so, you know, that's one thing that drives me crazy about all these greenies 1.00

00:24:17.540 is that they constantly tell us all how to live.

00:24:19.980 They don't live that way.

00:24:21.320 Right.

00:24:21.860 You know, they've never demonstrated how you can live without fossil fuels.

00:24:25.740 OK, no plastics, you know, none of the painting or millions of other materials.

00:24:31.500 I mean, there are typically 6,000 materials that use oil, you know,

00:24:36.780 as a base stock material to make.

00:24:40.480 I mean, all of our plastics, all of our hospitals, you know, our paints, our fertilizer.

00:24:44.420 It goes on and on and on.

00:24:45.620 So, yeah, if you think that we should get rid of fossil fuels, show us how to do it.

00:24:50.200 Do it yourself.

00:24:51.020 OK, go ahead.

00:24:52.760 Well, and I think that it's a great it's a great way to put it to these people.

00:24:57.600 You know, you want us to live this way.

00:24:59.960 You first.

00:25:01.280 Yeah.

00:25:01.520 You first you tell me how much you like it and if you like it, then maybe we'll talk

00:25:06.640 about other people adopting your crazy lifestyle choices, but they've never even tried it.

00:25:11.960 Tom, I just went through an order paper question, a response from the whole of government about

00:25:19.160 the use of the limos, the government executive vehicles that they're only really supposed to

00:25:23.740 use in the national capital region.

00:25:25.480 They're not supposed to be driving them to Montreal so that they don't have to fly a commercial

00:25:29.980 flight, which they're doing.

00:25:31.600 And there's so much hypocrisy from the climate emergency government.

00:25:36.500 They want us to live a certain way that they would never live.

00:25:39.680 They want us to switch to electric vehicles.

00:25:42.260 You know what the majority of the government fleet is, don't you?

00:25:45.300 Well, you know, Gandhi said, live simply so others simply may live.

00:25:50.200 Right.

00:25:50.580 But other politicians say, do what I say, not what I do.

00:25:54.460 Yeah.

00:25:55.080 Rules for me, but not for thee.

00:25:57.200 Yeah.

00:25:57.420 As David Menzies always says, that was incredible.

00:26:00.680 And, you know, kudos to that lady. 1.00

00:26:02.780 I imagine it becomes a little easier as a retired teacher as opposed to a current active teacher,

00:26:09.120 because I can't even imagine what it would be like in the staff room after she questioned

00:26:14.920 the, I guess, the climate change lifestyle of our moral and intellectual superiors.

00:26:24.580 Yeah, exactly.

00:26:26.400 Now, the last one is Danielle Mayo, a French-Canadian lady. 1.00

00:26:30.000 And, you know, she has a little trouble towards the end because it's her second language.

00:26:33.900 Sure.

00:26:34.200 But she also is very brave.

00:26:35.980 And she points out that, hey, you know, wind and solar are not clean.

00:26:40.020 I mean, they're probably the dirtiest energy sources on the planet.

00:26:42.760 I'm sure that kind of blew away the committee.

00:26:45.040 But I'll play you her thing. 0.98

00:26:46.360 It's about a minute.

00:26:47.140 Here we go.

00:26:47.660 Research shows that we do a far better job protecting the environment by continuing our reliance on fossil fuels

00:26:56.340 than by making a massive transition to so-called renewable power.

00:27:01.640 I asked the committee, it is still time for courageous conversation to do your due diligence

00:27:09.380 and properly investigate every aspect of the question before ruining our environment

00:27:15.380 with a huge expansion of wind and solar power.

00:27:18.760 Finally, the Schellenberger concluded his 2019 TED Talk by asking,

00:27:27.960 now that we know that renewables can't save the planet, are we going to keep letting them destroy it?

00:27:35.360 The prosperity is, is, two minutes, prosperity created by fossil fuels has made environmental protection

00:27:48.260 both highly valued and financially possible.

00:27:52.820 Thank you.

00:27:54.080 Yeah, now that is so cool.

00:27:55.860 Right.

00:27:56.380 She didn't pull her punches. 0.99

00:27:57.560 She said point blank that it is much better environmentally to stay on fossil fuels.

00:28:03.460 And that, in fact, our standard of living that allows us to protect the environment,

00:28:08.320 to even care about the environment, is because of fossil fuels.

00:28:11.760 And that's the point made in this book here, Sheila.

00:28:14.440 This is the Climate Change Reconsidered report on fossil fuels.

00:28:18.440 And they show very, very clearly in this book, okay, it's the Non-Governmental International Panel on Climate Change.

00:28:24.020 And people can check it out.

00:28:25.080 It gives you lots of great talking points.

00:28:27.120 It has little summaries at the beginning of each chapter.

00:28:29.580 It's at climatechangereconsidered.org.

00:28:33.540 Okay, that's, those reports.

00:28:35.280 And those are the reports I was, that Sean Devine was mentioning.

00:28:38.560 Oh, you haven't brought in all those big reports.

00:28:40.840 Yeah, Sean, why don't you read them?

00:28:42.660 Yeah.

00:28:43.500 But I was very impressed with Danielle Mayo because she just hit the nail on the head. 1.00

00:28:49.220 She said, basically, we need fossil fuels to protect the environment.

00:28:53.760 You know, like, that's beautiful.

00:28:54.920 You just don't hear that kind of a direct statement from, you know, the Canadian Association of whatever.

00:29:00.300 You know, many of these associations are afraid to tell the truth.

00:29:03.880 You know, oh, we're reducing greenhouse gases.

00:29:06.280 Well, no, guys.

00:29:07.480 You know, focus on your core job.

00:29:09.680 Yeah.

00:29:10.120 Yeah.

00:29:10.440 The Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers is great at being colonized by environmentalists and basically apologizing for the very important, valuable work that they do in the interest of Canadian prosperity, but also human rights and freedom around the world.

00:29:26.540 More Canada means more freedom when you are, you know, export, you know, you just don't export energy.

00:29:33.520 You export freedom because we're providing jobs and prosperity here and we're offsetting tyrannical sources of energy.

00:29:42.820 Well, that's right.

00:29:44.080 And, you know, there are a lot of useful idiots in this whole debate.

00:29:47.760 I attended the Canada 2020 conference and I won't say a lot about that.

00:29:51.900 It was an incredible snooze fest.

00:29:54.120 And the best news actually was that Mark Carney was the keynote speaker at lunch to charge them up.

00:29:59.280 It was the most boring speech I think I've ever attended.

00:30:02.000 I mean, I thought, great, this is a highlight of the event, you know, put everyone to sleep.

00:30:06.000 But regardless, we had people like the Canadian Cement Association, the Canadian Steel Association, you know, these different groups who will be absolutely creamed if we continue along this route. 0.71

00:30:17.440 But they were up there boasting about, oh, you know, we're reducing greenhouse gases so that we're not causing as much damage as these other countries.

00:30:25.100 I thought, you idiots.

00:30:26.960 I mean, they are what the Soviets would have called useful idiots. 0.76

00:30:31.140 OK, in an attempt to appease the enemy, they admit the enemy's right with respect to the main cause of all this.

00:30:39.440 OK, they're not saying, hey, you know, Canada puts out 1.6 percent of world emissions, you know, Ottawa less than 1 percent.

00:30:47.220 You know, they don't get into that, let alone the science.

00:30:50.040 They accept the science and try to get less damage for their companies.

00:30:54.640 You know, so, I mean, I think that's a huge mistake.

00:30:56.700 But, you know, Sheila, I got to tell you one thing.

00:30:58.780 At the end of this particular committee hearing, the CBC were there with their cameras and everything, and they were interviewing, you know, the climate alarmists.

00:31:07.740 So I went up and I said, oh, would you like a different perspective?

00:31:11.800 And they said, oh, well, we heard your testimony.

00:31:14.960 I said, right.

00:31:16.060 And would you like to talk to me now about a different perspective to what you're hearing from all these other people you're interviewing?

00:31:22.900 Oh, well, we don't really have time now.

00:31:24.760 So I gave them my card.

00:31:25.720 But I said, OK, well, call me later and I'll be happy to talk to you about it because their plan here is disastrous.

00:31:32.000 It's very dangerous.

00:31:33.040 It's incredibly expensive.

00:31:34.620 Oh, yeah, we might call you.

00:31:36.280 So anyway, a little later, I was waiting outside the building for my taxi.

00:31:40.500 And sure enough, the CBC reporter comes out along with their cameraman and all the equipment.

00:31:44.780 And they're walking really slow.

00:31:46.540 They obviously have lots of time.

00:31:47.900 And I said, oh, I'm waiting for my cab.

00:31:50.720 You folks are all finished.

00:31:52.000 Why don't we have an interview?

00:31:53.640 And she said, oh, we're rushing to a deadline.

00:31:58.740 And I looked at them.

00:32:00.180 They weren't rushing anywhere.

00:32:02.680 So I said to her, you know, I'm going to be on Rebel News next week.

00:32:06.900 What should I tell them about why you wouldn't interview me?

00:32:11.160 And she just shrugs and says, anything you want.

00:32:13.700 And so I finally said, you know, you give yourselves a black eye when you only cover one side of these issues.

00:32:21.400 I felt good saying that.

00:32:22.800 I mean, I didn't get angry.

00:32:23.640 I just said it, you know.

00:32:24.940 And she said, you know.

00:32:28.060 So, I mean, the next day, the report was in the citizen or on the CDC website.

00:32:32.740 And, of course, there was no reference to what was by far the most newsworthy event.

00:32:37.720 OK, you know, the committee hearings generally are very dull.

00:32:41.640 OK, everybody gets up and they say what they're expected to.

00:32:44.380 The fact that five Ottowans challenged the city with well-constructed and well-delivered, confident, they call them delegations.

00:32:54.180 That was the news story.

00:32:56.180 OK, and yet there was not a word about that in the CBC's report.

00:33:01.620 And I thought it was hilarious when she said it was something like out of Yes Minister, you know, or Monty Python.

00:33:06.780 Oh, we're rushing to do a deadline.

00:33:10.860 Yeah, I don't believe the CBC reporters rush anywhere.

00:33:15.120 But I can tell you why they don't tell the other side of the story with regard to climate change or even acknowledge that there's another side of the story.

00:33:24.320 If you go to the CBC's website, the ombudsman there has made a decision that there is no other side of the story with regard to climate change.

00:33:34.220 And so because of that, they will not give equal time to both sides of the debate.

00:33:39.220 They won't even acknowledge that there's another side of the debate.

00:33:41.900 That's a decision made by management at CBC that they don't even try to hide anymore.

00:33:47.700 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:33:49.320 And it's the same thing at that Canada 2020 conference.

00:33:51.920 You know, I talked to their first speaker.

00:33:53.960 I can't remember his name, but he was a leading guy in the climate alarmist camp.

00:33:59.400 And I said, you know, they can say we're going on and on at this conference.

00:34:03.100 We have to go faster.

00:34:04.140 We have to speed up.

00:34:05.160 There's no time to lose.

00:34:06.280 There's no time to lose.

00:34:07.260 Well, yeah, they're right in a way.

00:34:09.040 There's no time to lose because the public are actually waking up and realizing that this is all a hoax.

00:34:13.820 So, yeah, you'd better get your policies in quick, guys, because people know it's wrong.

00:34:19.280 But anyway, I went to him afterwards and I said, you know, I think that we should be going much slower.

00:34:25.420 CBC slow.

00:34:26.480 Like CBC trying to meet a deadline.

00:34:28.940 Yeah, that's right.

00:34:30.820 Yeah.

00:34:31.540 So he said, what are you talking about?

00:34:33.400 I said, well, you know, there are scientists all over Canada, just here at Ottawa U and at Carleton University,

00:34:39.220 who actually recognize that the climate scare is wrong.

00:34:43.360 So I think that you should take a step back before spending tens of billions of dollars, hundreds of billions across Canada.

00:34:50.080 And he just said, no, the science is settled.

00:34:52.560 So I told him again, I use Rebel News and I love Rebel News.

00:34:56.700 I said, well, you know, I'm going to be on Rebel News next week.

00:35:00.420 So and of course, his ears go up.

00:35:02.580 And I said, so what should I tell him that your response is to my statement?

00:35:06.580 The science is settled, he says.

00:35:08.020 You know, he goes on and on about that.

00:35:09.620 And he sort of runs away.

00:35:11.040 I ran after him.

00:35:12.120 I couldn't catch him.

00:35:13.400 He's too fast.

00:35:14.440 But no.

00:35:15.080 Too many smokes.

00:35:17.100 Too many smokes, Tom.

00:35:19.820 These people are totally brainwashed.

00:35:22.020 And it's funny because we had a table there and one of our supporters actually gave a thousand dollars to buy a table.

00:35:28.340 Wow.

00:35:29.160 Yeah.

00:35:29.440 So that quite a few people could actually go.

00:35:31.560 I didn't I didn't pay for it.

00:35:33.200 They paid for it.

00:35:34.060 Yeah.

00:35:34.880 And so it's interesting because, you know, early in the event, a couple of people from our table got up and asked inconvenient questions.

00:35:42.020 So by the time I got my hand up to ask a question, they already knew to stay away from our table.

00:35:46.780 That's funny.

00:35:47.720 And of course, this is the point.

00:35:50.000 I mean, in a democracy, if you are forbidden from debating something, you know that something's being hidden.

00:35:57.380 OK.

00:35:57.840 And that's the whole point.

00:35:59.140 And it reminds me very much of a line in the Star Trek series.

00:36:03.040 And you can see with my space shuttle here, I'm a former aerospace engineer and, you know, I love the space program.

00:36:09.460 Anyway, Data, the android, was in charge of evacuating a world because the aliens were coming back to re-inhabit it.

00:36:17.460 And they regarded humans as just vermin to be exterminated.

00:36:21.740 So Data's job was to get the human colonists off the planet. 0.82

00:36:26.380 And they didn't want to tell them anything.

00:36:28.520 So Data turned to the leaders and said, is your point of view so weak it cannot withstand rational debate?

00:36:35.980 At which point they hit him with a laser and disabled him, you know?

00:36:40.860 So, I mean, that's the point.

00:36:42.360 Anybody who refuses to argue, the answer is, is your point of view so weak it cannot withstand rational debate?

00:36:50.220 And the answer is yes, that's exactly the case.

00:36:53.020 Because you got this report, you know?

00:36:54.680 You have this report.

00:36:57.180 You've got this report.

00:36:59.840 I mean, these are thousands of references from scientists all over the world publishing in leading peer-reviewed journals who are brave enough to say,

00:37:08.060 there's no climate crisis.

00:37:10.420 Like, knock it off.

00:37:11.500 Since 1880, average global temperature, which is kind of a fictitious number, but that has gone up one degree.

00:37:19.280 One degree.

00:37:21.200 And, you know, if you ask them, do you think you would feel that in your entire lifetime?

00:37:26.360 The answer is no.

00:37:27.560 And how do you even measure that?

00:37:29.400 Like, how do you even measure one degree over the surface of the globe?

00:37:33.300 How do you even measure that?

00:37:34.660 It's impossible.

00:37:35.960 Well, that's right.

00:37:36.520 And it's a meaningless statistic anyways, because there's no super being kind of straddling the planet and feeling one degree warming.

00:37:43.500 Right.

00:37:44.260 And we all live in regions.

00:37:46.120 And to show you how useless and, you know, meaningless the global average temperature is,

00:37:51.680 let's pretend half the planet got 10 degrees warmer and half the planet got 10 degrees colder.

00:37:56.880 The average would stay the same, yet the pressure and temperature differentials would drive terrible extreme weather.

00:38:04.020 OK, so there would be a huge climate catastrophe if that happened.

00:38:08.220 And yet the average would stay the same.

00:38:10.760 So the average means nothing.

00:38:12.480 OK, all that matters is where people and animals and plants actually live.

00:38:16.800 And what we see across Canada, I mean, Ottawa, great example.

00:38:20.380 The maximum summer temperature has not risen at all.

00:38:24.960 Now, they say, oh, average temperatures in Ottawa have risen.

00:38:28.220 Well, yes, that's true, because it's not quite as cool at night.

00:38:35.280 Sounds lovely.

00:38:37.020 Yeah, that's right.

00:38:38.200 So I said to the council, it was actually I brought that up in this committee hearing.

00:38:41.840 I said the fact that it's a little less cool at night doesn't threaten anybody, you know.

00:38:48.160 So, I mean, if you look at the numbers, the actual statistics, there's no climate crisis.

00:38:53.000 We're wasting 50 billion dollars.

00:38:56.120 It's crazy.

00:38:57.660 And, you know, this should be a lesson for other cities and other citizens across the country.

00:39:05.420 Calgary, I'm looking at you with your 80 billion dollar plus climate plan.

00:39:10.940 Citizens should be turning up their town halls and raising a little hell. 0.99

00:39:14.340 They can poach exactly these questions and ask these exact questions to their own politicians in cities all across the country, contemplating passing this collective madness onto the taxpayer.

00:39:26.480 Exactly.

00:39:27.260 And I really hope that your viewers can go to our website, icsc-canada.com, and click on that first box.

00:39:33.840 Yeah.

00:39:33.980 Because what we'll have on that web page are the Twitter handles and the email addresses of all the councillors on the committee.

00:39:41.060 And if they get flooded with emails and tweets that are sent all over the place saying, look, you know, this teacher asked you a really, really good question.

00:39:49.200 Will you live the kind of lifestyle for a year that you're telling us we should all live?

00:39:56.080 Or, you know, they could ask the question I did.

00:39:58.340 Are you going to properly tell the city to investigate the impacts of cooling?

00:40:02.740 Because 20 times more people die from cooling than heating.

00:40:06.120 You know, so if people start to bombard our councillors, and as I say, it'll be on our website, with these questions, then, yeah, we can have a good chance of killing the climate scare in Ottawa.

00:40:18.200 And that will be a great thing to show other cities and other activists.

00:40:22.820 You can win.

00:40:24.100 OK, but you've got to be brave.

00:40:25.360 You've got to speak up.

00:40:26.640 And I hope we can get all your viewers to do that.

00:40:29.540 Well, and you've got to turn up.

00:40:30.880 You just can't go on the Internet and complain.

00:40:32.620 Like, you have to physically be at these meetings to make some trouble.

00:40:36.980 That's right.

00:40:37.480 And I'd be really happy.

00:40:38.640 I've had a few people reach out to me from other cities in Canada saying, you know, how can we fight this?

00:40:43.420 So I really welcome people to reach out to me at icsc.tom.harris at gmail.com.

00:40:49.300 It's on our website, icsc-canada.com.

00:40:52.260 And I'd be happy to help people from across Canada because you're right.

00:40:55.920 It's at the municipal level where we can have the most impact.

00:40:59.060 And, you know, they say that cities are this huge contributor to greenhouse gases.

00:41:03.720 So they're focused hard on bringing in these draconian policies at the city level.

00:41:08.400 So let's work at the city level.

00:41:10.220 Let's kill it.

00:41:10.960 And we can do it.

00:41:12.480 Well, and these are the most accessible politicians to you.

00:41:15.100 It's going to be kind of hard for you to bend the ear of Justin Trudeau, though getting ragdolled by his security.

00:41:20.600 But you can turn up at a council meeting and they can even get to know your face as they've known yours now, Tom Harris.

00:41:25.880 And you can, you know, really pin these guys down on their bad ideas.

00:41:30.700 Now, you've given out the website a couple of times, but how do people get involved in supporting the work that you do?

00:41:35.480 Because despite what Counselor Devine would have the public believe, you're not in the pockets of really anybody, including big oil and big tobacco.

00:41:45.020 You guys are just a grassroots organization, a citizens advocacy group.

00:41:50.840 So tell us how people can support the work that you do, because you are really up against like big green. 1.00

00:41:55.460 You want to talk about money?

00:41:57.060 Big green has it all.

00:41:58.720 Yeah, exactly.

00:41:59.540 Well, people should go to our homepage at ICSC-Canada.com.

00:42:03.980 And there's a big red donate button.

00:42:06.680 My daughter is the webmaster and she made sure nobody could miss it.

00:42:09.880 And it tells you how to donate.

00:42:11.260 You can either do it on the Internet or you can send a check.

00:42:13.420 We want here in Ottawa to have a webinar.

00:42:16.560 Patrick Moore has agreed to participate.

00:42:18.880 Bob Lyman, you know, and we're actually going to educate the city if we have the funds.

00:42:23.140 Then we'll put out press releases and have a citywide poll asking Ottawaans then,

00:42:29.660 do you want to spend almost $60,000 for every man, woman and child in the city for this climate plan?

00:42:36.640 And I imagine it'll be 90% of people say no.

00:42:39.840 And then we'll publicize the heck out of it.

00:42:41.660 If we have the funds, we'll put out news releases and all sorts of things.

00:42:45.320 So, yeah, your money will be well used if you donate to ICSC Canada.

00:42:50.180 Tom, don't forget your podcast.

00:42:52.360 Oh, yeah.

00:42:54.680 Exploratory Journeys.

00:42:55.940 That's right.

00:42:56.800 It's on the ICSC-Canada.com website.

00:42:59.780 Click under resources.

00:43:01.520 And we also have something else there that people who don't have much time would enjoy.

00:43:05.540 And that is our climate change minutes.

00:43:07.880 OK, sometimes they're two minutes.

00:43:09.860 But regardless, we go through all these different topics and you can click on them.

00:43:13.620 There's about 60 or 70 of them there, which is fun.

00:43:16.560 OK, thanks, Sheila.

00:43:17.680 Yeah, I think we've checked off all the important things that you're doing.

00:43:21.200 Tom, thanks so much for coming on the show.

00:43:22.740 Thanks so much for your advocacy work.

00:43:25.760 And, you know, you're just out there fighting for the taxpayer and fighting for a little bit of sanity to be injected into this conversation.

00:43:32.580 It's not a one-sided conversation.

00:43:35.600 There are disruptors.

00:43:37.220 There are other opinions.

00:43:39.000 And I think the longer time goes on, those other opinions seem to be the more clear-minded ones.

00:43:45.280 Exactly.

00:43:46.320 Thank you, Sheila.

00:43:47.400 Thanks.

00:43:47.800 We'll have you on again very soon.

00:43:49.200 Yeah, bye.

00:43:49.700 Bye.

00:43:49.760 Bye.

00:43:49.820 Bye.

00:43:49.880 Bye.

00:43:49.920 Bye.

00:43:52.740 Well, friends, we've come to the portion of the show where we invite your viewer feedback.

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00:45:21.200 I think he writes in just about after every single show.

00:45:24.960 So, I like to shout out to Bruce.

00:45:26.500 He is one of the most loyal viewers of the gun show for a very, very long time.

00:45:33.040 Bruce is in beautiful Radway, Alberta, about, you know, just a quick jaunt north of here.

00:45:39.320 Bruce writes,

00:45:39.740 Hi, Sheila, what a good show you had tonight.

00:45:41.380 So, I should stop.

00:45:43.260 This is on my interview with my friend and colleague, Kian Simone, on our work on the documentary, Church Under Fire, Canada's War on Christianity.

00:45:53.940 You can find out more details and support our work at SaveTheChristians.com.

00:45:59.320 And there's, like, a perk level for everybody there.

00:46:02.400 So, if you give us some money to continue to work on the documentary, we'll give you a little something back, depending on what tier you've donated at.

00:46:09.640 So, that you are as invested in the documentary as we are.

00:46:13.120 Because truly, like I said, we can't do any of this work without you.

00:46:17.720 So, anyways, now that that's out of the way, Bruce writes, what a good show you had tonight.

00:46:21.840 And what a shame it is that Christians in North America care so little about their siblings around the world.

00:46:26.740 It's true.

00:46:27.560 Not only in the Middle East, but also in China, where the Chinese Communist government is enforcing a strict crackdown on Christians and even rewriting the Christian Bible to comport with Communist ideology.

00:46:41.740 I keep running smack into the same ignorance wherever I go around here.

00:46:46.640 I'm also glad Rebel News is making the Church Under Fire documentary.

00:46:50.080 I donated to help make this important video a success.

00:46:52.700 Better still, I'm glad the full-length interviews will be available for us donors to watch.

00:46:58.220 Yours in Sleepy Radway, Bruce Atchison, and Guramond Delta the Cat.

00:47:03.420 Not brought to you by Pfizer.

00:47:04.560 Well, thank you, Bruce.

00:47:06.880 And thank you to everybody who has donated at SaveTheChristians.com to help us make the Church Under Fire documentary.

00:47:14.340 You will not only get specific perks, but you will get access to special fun behind-the-scenes video updates where you might even see me chasing seagulls in St. John or wearing a Roman soldier costume at Pastor Phil's church in St. John or just outside of St. John.

00:47:34.020 So you will see the work as it's progressing and as Kian and I are traveling around the country to gather up these very important stories from the persecuted pastors who stood up to the state in defense of their congregations that the mainstream media and the politicians would love for you to forget.

00:47:53.320 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:47:54.920 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:47:56.180 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:47:58.940 And as always, remember, do not let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:48:04.020 I'll see you next week.

Rebel News Podcast - April 26, 2023

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Ottawans are holding their local politicians to account for their expensive climate plan

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