Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Our veterans are being bullied into MAID and here's the proof

00:00:00.000 Exactly how many Veterans Affairs caseworkers in the course of their duties are advising

00:00:05.780 Canada's veterans to kill themselves? I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gun Show. 1.00

00:00:11.080 A couple of days ago on my regular daily video I had on Mark Meinke. He's a podcaster

00:00:35.260 and a veteran who struggles with PTSD. Mark's podcast is called Operation Tango Romeo,

00:00:43.360 the trauma recovery podcast. Please do subscribe to it and he is really the touch point for a lot

00:00:51.220 of veterans to come forward to tell the stories of their mistreatment at the hands of Veterans

00:00:57.620 Affairs Canada. He was the first guy that the very first veteran who said that Veterans Affairs Canada

00:01:04.680 had offered him what's called MAID medical assistance in dying to help treat his acute PTSD

00:01:11.300 episode. And Mark continues to be a soft landing for Canadian veterans and it seems as though

00:01:19.320 every single day a new story comes out about how Veterans Affairs is mistreating Canadian veterans

00:01:28.860 and advising Canadian veterans to take their own lives instead of just giving the help they deserve

00:01:38.540 and that our nation promised them. So I thought though our interview I thought was great the other

00:01:46.840 day I thought it would give Mark more time because this is such a big issue and it's such an important

00:01:53.200 issue. So joining me now in an interview we recorded Tuesday morning is my friend veterans advocate,

00:02:00.660 veteran and podcaster and the host of Operation Tango Romeo, Mark Meinke.

00:02:13.140 So joining me now is my friend Mark Meinke. He's a veterans advocate and a podcaster

00:02:19.280 and he's really been the guy who ripped the band-aid off the scandal unfolding at Veterans Affairs Canada

00:02:27.380 and he's been a safe landing spot I think for a lot of veterans who have experienced some of the

00:02:34.380 horrors of Veterans Affairs to tell their story to someone who would understand. And so even though I

00:02:41.200 interviewed Mark earlier, well a few days ago, I wanted to give Mark more of an opportunity to tell us

00:02:48.280 about the challenges facing veterans in this country and what is happening at Veterans Affairs

00:02:54.580 particularly because as we record this on Tuesday morning, Monday they were back at committee and they

00:03:01.380 were doing, the liberals, they were doing a bit of a song and a dance and an obfuscation of their

00:03:07.280 responsibilities of the catastrophe at Veterans Affairs. So Mark, thanks so much for joining me once

00:03:13.040 again and thanks so much for your hard work on this file and for your peers and friends in the

00:03:19.880 veterans community as they've been failed by the federal government. Why don't you walk us back to

00:03:25.500 the very beginning of the scandal unfolding at Veterans Affairs for people who don't know,

00:03:32.960 why don't you take us back to the very beginning to that very first veteran?

00:03:35.940 Perfect. That's where I wanted to start. So we're thinking alike here. All the credit doesn't go to

00:03:42.520 me, not at all. It goes to the first veteran that came forward. So before this broke on Global News

00:03:48.020 with Mercedes Stevenson, it almost broke with you. It was this close.

00:03:53.380 You know what? Like I said in the last interview, we wanted to respect the veteran. He wasn't ready

00:03:57.640 for it to be a national story, although Global didn't think so. And I just thought, you know,

00:04:04.280 this man is experiencing an acute mental health care issue. It's being made worse by Veterans Affairs.

00:04:12.900 And so I need to make sure that I don't do anything to make that worse.

00:04:17.700 Well, I just wanted to make sure that he gets the credit for starting all this. So he went through

00:04:21.940 an intermediary through a friend of his who knew Mercedes personally, and that's how the story

00:04:28.380 was broke. So I still think she only broke it that morning because you and I were talking,

00:04:35.460 but either way, I don't care. It was broke. That's all that matters.

00:04:39.400 His story's out there. That's what matters. Yeah.

00:04:41.260 Yeah. And the initial response when that story got out there through the Global Story,

00:04:48.360 in the veteran community, most people weren't shocked, which is shocking in itself.

00:04:54.920 Yeah.

00:04:55.220 You know, there's so much disappointment and lack of trust with VAC. And I say this as a guy who

00:05:02.600 receives VAC benefits, but getting those benefits, it was a five-year meat grinder. I'd rather go back

00:05:11.160 into a war zone than go through that again. And I mean that sincerely. Going through VAC

00:05:17.960 is not a good time. And most people either don't start because they've heard the stories or they

00:05:24.800 don't make it through the meat grinder. I mean, it takes some kind of resolve to not give up and to

00:05:30.800 stick it out. And it shouldn't be like that. It's freaking so predatory. And that's why in the veteran

00:05:39.160 community, you constantly hear, deny, deny, deny until they die. And that is our impression of VAC.

00:05:48.340 Now, I don't know, Sheila, if it's just the bureaucracy or if it's on purpose or maybe a

00:05:55.100 little bit of both. But the amount of people, if you think paying for us is expensive now,

00:06:02.300 um, I, I would guess maybe 20% of the people that should be getting benefits are getting benefits

00:06:09.600 about 20%. That's my best guess from the years that I've been in this community. And I know this

00:06:16.220 because of all the people that just, they tap out because it's too much. I mean, I personally have

00:06:21.500 claims that should go in that are totally valid, but I look at the mountain of paperwork and the

00:06:27.120 five-year fight ahead of me. And I just like, Oh God, I don't know if it's worth it. I'm entitled

00:06:31.980 to it and they're genuine, but I, I don't have the fight in me. You know, I was sorry to interrupt

00:06:39.700 you, but I was talking to our mutual friend, uh, Mike Mayer, and he was telling me just the

00:06:47.400 humiliating things that veterans have to do to prove that they are still injured. Like you have to prove

00:06:54.080 that you're blown off legs haven't grown back. Tommy Anderson, um, Tommy Anderson lost his legs

00:07:01.580 on our tour, um, way back in 94. So this is a long time ago. And since 1994, every year he's got

00:07:11.520 almost four there, uh, every year he's got to prove his legs hadn't grown back. Now I've heard this in

00:07:17.820 the house of commons being brought up and, Oh, well, you know, like it is not getting an answer.

00:07:24.000 You have people just sugarcoating it or skipping over. Like, how do you skip over this? Stop it.

00:07:30.900 Stop making people prove, you know, I mean, it's fine to do a checkup and say, Hey, has any,

00:07:35.620 has anything got better? Has anything got worse? But your legs aren't going back. Your eyeball isn't

00:07:41.340 growing back in your head, you know? So maybe have those off the checklist. And it's, it's a good

00:07:48.340 example of back acting like an insurance company, right? It's on us to prove everything. So they're

00:07:54.680 treating every single veteran is being treated like a scammer. So we're all being treated like

00:08:01.440 a scammer. We have private detectives following us around, you know, I've known several people have

00:08:08.460 had this and, uh, with our hypervigilance where we can usually pick the creepy person, right? Um,

00:08:14.800 my wife is always mystified. It's like, how did you see this? And how did you hear that? It's like,

00:08:18.660 I can't not see it. I can't hear it. Yeah. War does it. And, uh, um, but this is what we're going

00:08:26.720 through all the time and it's wrong. I mean, Trudeau can spend billions of dollars, uh, sending it to

00:08:34.880 North Africa for gender studies for cantaloupe, but he can't, uh, look after veterans. It's

00:08:40.860 absolutely ridiculous. And really mental health in general, it's not just the veteran community,

00:08:46.080 the first responder community. It's all, uh, completely not looked after and it's, uh,

00:08:53.300 and people are dying and suffering. And the funny thing, or it's not funny. The ironic thing is that

00:08:59.820 if these things were looked after, it would be cheaper because like, if you could actually

00:09:04.760 help people and support them and get them back on their feet, it's going to cost less to the

00:09:10.780 community. It's going to cost less taxpayer dollars because there's going to be less downtime,

00:09:16.240 less sick days, and less turnover, less recruiting costs, whether it be, uh, for in the first responder

00:09:23.880 world or the military. So it actually costs less money to look after us.

00:09:28.700 And again, sorry to interrupt you, but, uh, as a fiscal conservative who thinks the government

00:09:34.520 wastes money on absolutely everything, I think you'd be hard pressed to find any fiscal conservative

00:09:40.140 who says we need to spend less on veterans of all the things we spend money on. As I said,

00:09:46.780 the other day, we have a sacred covenant to our veterans, uh, to take care of them. And I just

00:09:51.640 out of curiosity, as you're talking there, do you think the treatment of veterans after the fact

00:09:56.840 is part of the crisis in recruitment now?

00:10:02.460 It's that it's not dealt with in service. So with PTSD, it's a neurological injury. It's not a

00:10:09.620 disease. It's not a disorder. It's a neurological injury where the wiring to your fight, flight,

00:10:16.840 freeze response, it gets hardwired. So you're always in that mode. And that's why it's hyper

00:10:23.580 vigilance. God, I suffered for five years was brutal hyper vigilance. And, uh, it's absolutely

00:10:29.620 exhausting before it started to settle down for me. And that's normal. And it's still higher than

00:10:34.760 most, but, um, understanding that it's a neurological injury. Okay. Now, if you break

00:10:41.760 your arm, do you wait six weeks or 10 years before you put it in a cast? No, you put it in a cast

00:10:48.320 like right now. So having these immediate action drills for critical incidents, stress debriefing,

00:10:54.620 that sort of thing. And, and looking after that is going to save so much money because the quicker

00:11:01.940 you get on it, the quicker you put that arm in a cast, the less problem there's going to be down

00:11:07.100 the road. And also what most people don't realize, um, and every recruiting center should is that the

00:11:12.600 people that go into these trades into military and first responder trades, their ACEs scores through the

00:11:17.460 roof, uh, almost like right across the board. And especially if they're going into the more high

00:11:22.040 speed, low drag trades like infantry. And then from there, uh, they have the intent of going into the

00:11:27.320 special forces to be an operator. These people have the higher, uh, childhood trauma stores score.

00:11:32.960 So ACEs is, uh, adverse childhood events, childhood trauma is what your ACEs score is. So there's

00:11:40.920 something about that, that when you've had a real rough childhood, you want to be the hero. You want to be

00:11:45.980 the, uh, the person that beats up the bully. So you go into these different types of trades, uh,

00:11:51.280 cause you want to be the helper, the protector. And if you can stop at the recruiting, check that

00:11:57.460 ACEs score. If it's off because the higher it is, the more likely you are to have PTSD. Cause you only

00:12:01.840 have so much room in the cup. Right. And if your cup is already three quarters full at the recruiting

00:12:06.400 center, well, there's not much room to, to, to go the, the health average healthy person,

00:12:11.940 their trauma cup is about a third full because life happens. Life is tragic. It's just how it is.

00:12:17.400 And, um, but if it's two thirds full at the recruiting center, when you're 18 years old,

00:12:24.620 deal with it there, say, okay, you're accepted under the condition that we get all this, um,

00:12:31.820 sort of get that, uh, two thirds or three quarters full down to a half, you know? So let's work on that

00:12:37.380 first, then we'll push you through the recruiting process. And as a critical, like if you're going

00:12:44.600 to be working in a trauma rich environment, as big traumatic events happen, we'll deal with them

00:12:49.340 immediately. Right. And, and, and through all the different resources that I find on my show,

00:12:57.440 not just through the official resources offered by back that have a very, very low efficacy rate

00:13:03.120 between 12 and 16%. We can do better than 12 to 16%.

00:13:07.220 So take us back to where we started on that very first veteran. No, I, this is very fascinating to

00:13:17.520 me. I, I often wonder, um, how all of this stuff, like, you know, as an outside observer, when you see

00:13:22.580 the treatment of veterans, when they're harmed in the course of their duty, as a mom of a young man

00:13:30.240 and, and a young daughter and another young daughter, I would not be happy to see them enter

00:13:36.280 the military, knowing that if they are injured after the fact that they've got to fight for

00:13:41.560 everything. So I wonder if that affects recruitment numbers, but again, take us back to this very first

00:13:46.440 veteran, um, because you were instrumental in getting this story out to the world.

00:13:52.180 So the first one came forward to a bunch of different contacts. I was just one of them.

00:13:56.060 And he gave a lot of us the audio files of calls that he recorded with veterans affairs, Canada.

00:14:02.320 These audio files were the apology calls from back. And that was the proof that unfortunately he

00:14:10.220 never gave us the green light to bring forward, but a lot of people have heard these audio files

00:14:14.840 because he gave it to them. And I keep finding out more people, uh, just the other day, uh, people

00:14:20.340 that have heard these audio files. And basically in these audio files, the following things were

00:14:25.320 confirmed by back themselves. One, we've done this before and we can do it for you. In other words,

00:14:32.960 they've killed at least one veteran. Now the, the big line that they keep saying is that we have

00:14:39.340 nothing to do with maid. We don't offer maid and we don't have any relationship with maid. Then how,

00:14:45.480 then what's with the dead veteran? Right.

00:14:47.640 How did that veteran get dead? And how do you even know about it? If you have no relationship with

00:14:51.560 maid, how would you know about it? Yeah. And yet back is admitting and the minister admitted,

00:14:59.360 yeah, one veteran is dead for sure. At least one. Now that same conversation through different

00:15:07.120 veterans that I've spoken to, including, um, the one that goes by Bruce, uh, it was the same

00:15:12.780 conversation, a bit of a twist though with Bruce. He says, well, once we won in court where we were

00:15:18.760 fighting for this veteran to have the right to use maid after, after the court decision, um,

00:15:26.820 then we killed him at his request. So that's a heck of a thing for a caseworker to just make up,

00:15:35.900 to pull out of the ethers. So there's gotta be something to it. So right now people are looking

00:15:42.640 into like what court case, what, where, where's this and trying to do the digging. I mean, cause that's

00:15:48.080 going to be a public record. You can't go to court and not have some sort of record of back versus.

00:15:54.060 So who is back fighting exactly in order to have the right to kill this veteran, um, to complete

00:16:03.400 maid for this person. The other thing that was said is, yeah, so we've already killed one guy and

00:16:09.700 yeah. And it's great because we're supporting his wife and two kids because we're so kind and

00:16:15.160 compassionate. I would love to have that family come forward.

00:16:21.140 Yeah, me too.

00:16:21.740 But these are the things that, uh, that they have admitted to and yet they keep saying it's only one

00:16:30.180 case manager. So let's, let's take that claim. It can't be one case manager. My count is four,

00:16:37.300 probably five. So just from the ones that we know, the very first person that came forward,

00:16:42.660 um, his case manager was out of the Vancouver office and the person that did the apology call,

00:16:51.200 her immediate supervisor was from the Vancouver office. Now it's my understanding that these back

00:16:58.360 agents are given regions. They're given geographical regions and that's how they operate. So this one

00:17:03.940 was in BC because the vet, the veterans, um, house is in BC. So she got, he got somebody from the,

00:17:11.960 from the Vancouver office. So that's one. The second one, Bruce, he's in Ontario.

00:17:18.700 So that's another service agent. And then the third one, Christine Gauthier, who testified at, uh,

00:17:26.840 the standing committee at veterans affairs, she's in Quebec. So that's another one. Oh, wait.

00:17:32.300 And she also had a second case manager offer her vaid. So two different case managers offered,

00:17:39.400 offered her maid. One was male. So now we're at four case managers.

00:17:46.940 And on top of that, I'm trying to get somebody to come forward who I'm in contact with in Alberta,

00:17:53.060 who also had a male case manager offer her maid. I haven't been able to get her to come forward yet.

00:17:59.820 I'm hoping and pleading that she does because we need more whistleblowers. So to your audience,

00:18:06.080 if you know anybody or know of anybody that was offered medical assistance in dying, come forward

00:18:11.540 to me. I, as you can tell, I'll keep your, your name, uh, quiet. If that's what you want, no problem.

00:18:18.600 I've been doing it for everybody else. I'll do it for you too. The second whistleblower that we

00:18:22.760 desperately need is whistleblower from back itself. Somebody that's, uh, it's a, it's a meat grinder

00:18:29.340 in there. They don't last very long. It's a very short position because it's also a trauma rich

00:18:34.660 environment because you're dealing with us. And when we're, when we're most frustrated and I,

00:18:39.160 I wouldn't wish that on anybody, but, um, any back employees that know about this stuff,

00:18:45.520 come forward, come forward to me. I won't use your name and, uh, let me be the center point.

00:18:51.860 And if there's somebody else that you're comfortable with, do that or come forward to Sheila,

00:18:56.300 uh, whoever you're comfortable with. We need these whistleblowers because they are in a mad 0.63

00:19:02.400 scramble to bury all this. And at committee, I'm Sheila, I'm so upset at committee yesterday.

00:19:09.340 We watched minister Macaulay absolutely lie and worse call Christine Gauthier, the paraplegic

00:19:17.220 veteran who's a Paralympian called her a liar, not in those words, but that's what he said with his

00:19:22.760 words. That was the message. She must be lying. I was never told of any of this, uh, a year prior.

00:19:30.260 And yet she's got the physical letter with the received receipt, like the, the tracking code.

00:19:36.600 She has all of it. And the letter was replied to by the minister's office and by the prime minister's

00:19:42.740 office. Wow. So the prime minister and the minister knew because they had the letter in

00:19:49.040 their damn hand. I think I emailed them to you yesterday. Um, so, and I have them, I can make

00:19:55.000 them public. These I can make public. She said, just let her rip so we can publish the hell out of

00:19:59.540 them. And, um, and that was in 2021, 2021 in July, she told them. So a year and a half ago,

00:20:08.260 the veterans minister and the prime minister's office had knowledge and replied to the letters

00:20:16.740 from Christine Gauthier, Paralympian who is good enough to be used in all of their advertising,

00:20:22.380 by the way, she's the federal government used her to promote the Invictus games and Paralympic

00:20:28.800 games, except when she needed some help from these people. And then get out of our face, 1.00

00:20:33.980 by the way, here's a medical assistance in dying. And then, and they're calling her a liar. 0.97

00:20:38.960 Her credibility was fine when she was able to promote the government.

00:20:43.440 Yeah. I was on the phone with Christine for about an hour yesterday. And right now I'm working

00:20:48.760 on getting her that damn elevator. I'm not waiting for back.

00:20:51.800 You know what? Tell people about this, because I think this is really great because you are one

00:20:56.320 man, one veteran who is also experiencing PTSD. And so, like I said to you the other day,

00:21:03.780 I worry immensely about the burden this has on you telling the stories of these other veterans who

00:21:09.300 are suffering, but you're one guy and you were able to do, or at least you're in the process of

00:21:14.820 doing what an entire federal bureaucracy couldn't be bothered to do. And instead offered Christine

00:21:20.940 Gautier made, tell people what you're doing. So they say that there's an investigation.

00:21:26.460 I think that the way you just put it kind of proves there is no investigation.

00:21:29.860 Because if I'm able to be a center point, if I'm able to put, to get it out there and have people

00:21:36.220 come to me and find all these people and have them come forward. But the entire department of

00:21:44.620 Veterans Affairs, that's like what, a billion dollars a year, they can't do it. And I'm just

00:21:50.060 one dude. So with Christine, after I heard her story on my show, absolutely heartbreaking.

00:21:58.700 You know, in her words, for five years, every winter, she had to crawl through the snow like a 0.99

00:22:04.560 worm, she said, like a worm with her wheelchair up and down these eight stairs, because she couldn't 0.99

00:22:11.340 get a lift for a wheelchair. Now it is a big lift. Now that I've seen a bit more of the project,

00:22:15.980 like, oh, that's a lift. So it's more of an elevator. But what, I don't give a shit.

00:22:22.420 Yeah. Who cares? Give her what she needs. 1.00

00:22:24.520 Give her what she needs. I don't care if it's a $200,000 elevator, which it probably is.

00:22:30.420 Who cares?

00:22:31.540 But I promised her that there's no more BS. I'm going to fix it. And it's not hard to do. First,

00:22:40.160 you find the provider that can go, and then you raise the money. That's all there is to it.

00:22:46.160 So I've got a few people that are being lined up right now. And once it gets going, I'll open up

00:22:54.780 the GoFundMe. And it might be $200,000. But she can't go to a different house. There's a lot of

00:23:04.340 things going on here. But I'm going to get it done. And once it's done, I can't wait to have

00:23:10.320 some sort of grand opening ribbon-cutting ceremony for her to use the damn thing and say, 0.98

00:23:17.320 hey, Minister Macaulay.

00:23:19.320 It's okay, Mark. You're doing what they couldn't, what they wouldn't.

00:23:45.000 Hey, Minister Macaulay, this is how it's done.

00:23:47.860 Yeah.

00:23:49.960 The heartless bastard.

00:23:51.860 Yeah.

00:23:54.600 The way he, when he was asked by Luke Deslete at committee, can you at least just

00:24:06.000 commit to this one thing, this one project for this one veteran? Can you just commit to this?

00:24:17.160 And he couldn't, wouldn't. He totally sidestepped it. He goes, well, we don't even know that that's

00:24:22.080 what she needs right now. But just give her the goddamn elevator. 1.00

00:24:26.360 Yeah.

00:24:26.680 Just give it to her. I can't believe it. I don't know what it is. Liberals are so happy to spend

00:24:40.000 money on everything else under the sun. Spending money like drunken sailors, as I think Rachel Danko 1.00

00:24:48.040 said. But somebody needs an elevator lift for five years, they're dragging themselves with their

00:24:56.740 wheelchair. And you know what she said? Well, down the stairs isn't so bad. This is what a

00:25:01.180 tough girl that this is. I don't, you know, I don't mind worming my way down the stairs so much

00:25:07.140 with the wheelchair. That's not so bad, but getting back up those stairs with my wheelchair. Now that's

00:25:13.580 tough. How, how, how does this not light a fire under somebody's butt to get this done?

00:25:23.180 I mean, how can you allow her to live like this? And she has been suicidal because of it,

00:25:29.000 because out of desperation, she's quite open about talking about that. It's the most heartbreaking

00:25:33.660 damn thing. And, um, I mean, nobody should have to go through this, but this girl has paid her price.

00:25:39.860 Yeah. You know, she has served her country, then represented our country in the Invictus games

00:25:45.380 and, um, and, and she gets treated like mud. Yeah. It's horrible. You know, so we're going to get

00:25:55.000 this done. And I've, I'm, uh, I got a veterans group. Uh, um, I forget the name of it. It's written

00:26:00.400 down somewhere here, but it's a renovation group of veterans. And, um, we're all tapping into our

00:26:06.940 resources to see how we're going to get this done. And, um, once we have the price tag and we have a

00:26:13.400 plan, uh, we'll open up the GoFundMe. Hopefully you can help promote that. You better believe it.

00:26:19.160 We'll fill those coffers. You better believe it. Uh,

00:26:24.620 you are proof that one man is more powerful than a government bureaucracy. And I think it's

00:26:31.340 disgusting that Christine's mental health, which led to her being suicidal was, uh, like her suicidal

00:26:43.660 ideations were in part created by the government's failure to help her. And so the government gets to

00:26:51.040 take the easy way out and say, well, why, why don't you just, why don't you just, and then none of us

00:26:56.520 have to deal with this anymore. Oh, and it gets worse. I mean, the only reason that she's in a 0.90

00:27:00.620 wheelchair is because she had an injury from an obstacle course that she did in training that got

00:27:06.000 worse and worse and worse and worse and worse and, uh, until she's eventually in a chair and she's

00:27:13.260 going to need, um, like in like home care soon. So they couldn't fix it during the process of

00:27:19.960 degeneration. She shouldn't even be in a wheelchair in the first place. And her, her husband served 25

00:27:28.400 years in the military as well. It's an absolute disgrace, an absolute disgrace. Mark, you told me

00:27:37.460 that minister Macaulay was just basically lying yesterday. Again, we're filming this on Tuesday.

00:27:43.540 I will go out on Wednesday. So he was lying through his teeth in committee on Monday. I also know that

00:27:50.920 David Lamedi, our justice minister was approached. Um, basically he was asked, we're seeing what's

00:27:59.580 happening with veterans affairs and made and a real problem there. And we haven't gotten to the bottom

00:28:06.980 of it. Maybe you should pump the brakes on the changes you're bringing into the maid system, 1.00

00:28:10.780 wherein you can just be mentally ill and just ask for it and get it on the very same day. And he said,

00:28:17.980 no, no, we're proceeding with these things. It's fine. So again, this is a separate government

00:28:22.660 minister saying what's happening to our veterans. It's not anything the rest of us need to worry

00:28:28.940 about. I don't know why they're in such a rush. We are the most, um, we have the least barrier to

00:28:36.540 entry in May than any other country in the world. And it's in that, and what little barrier that is

00:28:42.860 there is going to be completely gone in March. Like this is not, most people still think that

00:28:48.720 maid is for the critically ill, terminally ill that only have like another month to live and

00:28:55.140 why suffer. Right. And I'm kind of down with that. Like it's like, sure. You know, you do it for a

00:29:00.480 horse or a dog, you know? So, okay. Um, but that's not what it is. No. Like you're taking people

00:29:08.020 that are vulnerable and instead of helping them when help is available. Cause I go and find this

00:29:14.640 help. That's what I've done. Veterans affairs was, uh, not too interested in finding help and doing

00:29:21.340 what I've done in my 260 episodes. I mean, it wasn't that hard. You just start calling people

00:29:27.580 and you have conversations with them and then you put up their contact information. You know, that,

00:29:33.380 that's, that's what I did, but all of veterans affairs is like, no, uh, we'll just use a registered

00:29:39.320 psychologist and this one set little program. And that's all that we're going to cover it. That's

00:29:44.100 that. Well, there there's other help out there and people are looking to made well right now,

00:29:51.180 because they don't want to be homeless, homeless or die with made. Oh, okay. Uh, or they're having

00:29:58.080 their doctors push draw them. It's like, you know, you cost $1,500 a day. You're really expensive.

00:30:02.080 You should just die. You know, we can do it for you. I'll, I'll do the Mengele injection for you.

00:30:08.300 It's absolutely hideous. What's, what's wrong with helping people with looking after people.

00:30:13.360 Sheila for three years, I lived in a respite home looking after two men who were development,

00:30:19.400 development mentally challenged, right? So low IQ dudes, um, they could cook for themselves, 1.00

00:30:25.100 but they were basically like nine-year-olds, um, mentality wise. So they, they just needed somebody

00:30:30.620 there to make sure that they were okay and to take their medications. And sometimes they get

00:30:36.040 scared or upset and just to be there to comfort them. And I did that for three years.

00:30:42.160 If you would have given either of them the maid option at different points, when they weren't

00:30:47.460 thinking straight, they would have taken it. Sure.

00:30:50.420 They would have taken it. And these are the most beautiful human beings. Like they were angels on earth

00:30:56.140 and they have value. Sure. They're not, um, uh, contributing to the economy, but so what? Like

00:31:04.560 these are good people that made me a better man. And everybody that knew them made them a better

00:31:09.640 people. And I just buried one three weeks ago. It's terrible. But, um, if maid was offered,

00:31:16.560 they would have taken it and that's predatory. It's horrible. It's ghoulish. It's wrong.

00:31:20.580 Um, and where, I don't know where people's hearts are. Where's, where's your heart?

00:31:25.160 Well, and I think people, I, you know, I've had people approach me saying, Sheila, your story's

00:31:30.320 inaccurate. That's not, that wasn't my experience five years ago when my dad or brother got maid.

00:31:38.260 And I don't think people realize that so much has changed since maid was first introduced. As you say,

00:31:46.960 it was for terminally ill people whose death was imminent and their suffering was great,

00:31:52.360 but now you don't have to be terminally ill. You just have to be chronically ill. Um, and you have,

00:31:59.300 you have to say that you're dissatisfied with the level of care that you're getting. Well,

00:32:03.540 this is Canada. Our healthcare system is brutal. Everybody is dissatisfied with the level of care

00:32:09.100 that they're getting. They've removed the 10 day wait period. So you can get it on the day that

00:32:13.920 you're experiencing an acute mental health crisis. Um, and it doesn't have to be administered by

00:32:20.560 your doctor that knows you anymore. It can be a pharmacist or a nurse, just somebody willing to

00:32:25.880 do it for you. And it's going to get worse because then in March, it's just going to be if you're

00:32:31.740 mentally ill. So not even a sound mind, sometimes you, you can make these decisions that you can't

00:32:39.600 take back. And I just, as you say, where's the compassion, where's the kindness as a society,

00:32:45.220 the liberals keep telling me they care about the vulnerable, then why are they killing them?

00:32:50.580 Yeah. Killing people isn't compassion. I think what we're seeing too, it's such a horrible

00:32:55.420 circumstance that we're dealing with Sheila, that we're really seeing some serious cognitive

00:33:00.880 dissonance, which is the resistance to anything new. Um, like once you have your worldview,

00:33:06.780 anything that challenges that that's the cognitive dissonance, that's the pushback against this

00:33:11.400 idea. So if you have it in your head that, um, I think most people paternalize and maternalize

00:33:17.260 their government, you know, they see the government, uh, not consciously, but subconsciously as mommy and

00:33:23.000 daddy. So if, if you go to somebody and say, Hey, I saw your, your mom turning tricks on the corner

00:33:30.580 of 97th street, they'd punch you in the face. Right. Right. Cause that, that's my mom. You're talking 0.73

00:33:35.140 about how dare you talk about my mom that way. Right. And it's the same kind of visceral response

00:33:40.480 for a lot of people. When you challenge the government, if they, if their sense of identity

00:33:45.000 is connected to that idea of government and they see in a subconscious level, the government is mommy

00:33:51.260 or daddy, they're not aware of it, but that's what they're doing. That's why there's this visceral

00:33:55.420 response. When you say, Hey, the government's doing something really, really bad.

00:33:58.940 Yeah. No, they're not. You conspiracy theorists. No, but they actually are right. Yeah. They see

00:34:06.440 the government as benevolent. Uh, they have no skepticism towards the government. They are

00:34:12.200 looking after us. Like they looked after us during COVID. Like they're going to look after us when

00:34:18.000 people send us mean tweets on the internet or tell us things we don't want to hear on YouTube.

00:34:22.420 And they're going to look after us. If we're uncomfortable, instead of helping us,

00:34:26.620 they'll kill us. And then they'll pat themselves on the back and say, look how kind we are.

00:34:31.960 Yeah. And it's just not the case. I mean, I know some wonderful, wonderful politicians,

00:34:35.600 like great human beings. Sure. But at the end of the day, um, the old sayings from the Greek times

00:34:42.120 still apply, you know, uh, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. And we see this. And if

00:34:49.660 you give a power, um, have a party that's in power for long enough, which we've seen in Alberta,

00:34:54.580 when the conservative government was in power, just too damn long for 30 plus years, it did get

00:35:00.600 corrupt, uh, with, um, Redford and all that. Like it was gross, which is why the NDP came in

00:35:06.320 because everybody, uh, even though that's a conservative province, we're like, you know,

00:35:11.080 we won't stand for corruption. We don't like it. So the NDP got it. And then they got in and we're

00:35:17.560 like, ah, dart it. That's no better. What have we done? We burned the house down. Cause we didn't

00:35:22.320 like the paint in the bathroom. Yeah. That's what we did. I saw a spider. So I burned the house down.

00:35:27.820 And, um, and so we, we were swinging back, but especially in Alberta, I don't know if the other

00:35:33.620 provinces are like us, but we don't like corruption and we do not reward corruption. And yet our liberal

00:35:41.980 government, the most government, the most corrupt government in my lifetime by a country mile,

00:35:47.240 the most corrupt prime minister. Oh my God, by a country mile, you know, the only prime minister

00:35:53.300 in history that's ever been called guilty by the ethics commissioner. And it's what's the count?

00:35:57.660 I think it's three times. So given the, those ethics reports, Roman numerals at this point.

00:36:02.660 Yeah. It's three. I thought it was actually higher.

00:36:05.040 It could be higher, but, um, I thought my count was at four or five now.

00:36:09.380 Could be, could be. But, um, in Alberta, that's why we have these F Trudeau, uh, bumper stickers,

00:36:16.240 which I'm actually not that fond of. I don't think that's the best way to express yourself.

00:36:19.920 I don't like the F Trudeau flags and all that, but I certainly understand the sentiment,

00:36:24.200 but you only see that really in Alberta because we don't like corruption. We don't like liars.

00:36:31.840 And yet, uh, there's still a significant amount of support for the man. And I don't understand it.

00:36:37.780 No, I, as I said, uh, on Twitter this morning, there are two Canada's and I think I live in one

00:36:45.880 and there are people living in another who tolerate the treatment of Canadians at the hands of the

00:36:52.880 federal government. They're the same people who are perfectly fine with the invocation of the

00:36:57.660 Emergencies Act against peaceful anti-regime protesters. They're fine with executing our 0.54

00:37:03.220 veterans and claiming that it's kindness. Um, it is, I think why Albertans are a little bit

00:37:10.220 culturally incompatible with the rest of the country. And I think the Danielle Smith Sovereignty

00:37:14.620 Act is actually a response to that.

00:37:18.780 All the Sovereignty Act is to me is it's a no trespassing sign.

00:37:22.000 Yeah. It's a restraining order against the feds. I'm fine.

00:37:24.800 That's all it is. You know, uh, or as I said to a coin there, um, you mind your own darn

00:37:32.000 business and I'll mind my own darn business. Stay in your lane. I'll stay in mine. That's 0.94

00:37:37.400 all this sovereignty act does. And yet people are doing backflips over it. It's like, no,

00:37:42.560 not going to let you, no trespassing. This is our territory. Don't, don't tell us what to

00:37:48.060 do when it's our jurisdiction. Don't infringe on our jurisdiction. That's it. How is that offensive?

00:37:53.500 You know, it's ridiculous. Well, and I think the treatment of our veterans is a great symptom

00:37:58.300 of this problem is, you know, we have people who are saying, no, we need more Ottawa and Ottawa knows

00:38:05.380 what's best for us. So let's let Ottawa do more. And I look at the treatment of our veterans and say,

00:38:10.700 there's a perfect example of how Ottawa gets it wrong. And normal people would like to see

00:38:16.140 something different. And I think the Sovereignty Act, again, reaction to that as well.

00:38:20.620 So yeah, I'm with you.

00:38:24.860 Mark, thanks so much for taking the time this morning and taking so much time on this issue.

00:38:30.100 How do people see the work that you're doing through your podcast, but also maybe if you're

00:38:36.440 willing, give out some contact information where if there are whistleblowers who want to come forward

00:38:41.700 and you, as I said, you're a soft landing for these people.

00:38:45.020 I am a soft place to land for sure. So the easiest way to find me is through the podcast

00:38:52.400 Operation Tango Romeo. Tango Romeo is the phonetic alphabet, stands for trauma recovery. So Operation

00:38:58.180 Tango Romeo, the trauma recovery podcast. And you can find me on any of the podcast channels,

00:39:04.260 the big eight anyway, the top eight. When I had live stream, I always double broadcast. So I first

00:39:10.360 live stream and I don't have the production quality that Sheila has or the knowledge or the ability. 0.92

00:39:16.900 I don't have a team. It's just me. So I live stream it out and then I rebroadcast in all the audio

00:39:21.500 podcast channels. And you can see the live streams and get a hold of me through Facebook.

00:39:26.720 That's where the videos all are. The YouTube channel is pretty useless, but Facebook and

00:39:34.060 LinkedIn is also useless, but I do appear there as well. Great. Mark, thanks so much. And please let

00:39:41.640 us know if there's anything we can do to help you in your mission to help veterans, particularly

00:39:46.500 Christine Gauthier, but all veterans, please. Thank you. Well, I will. As soon as we get the bill for

00:39:52.500 what this elevator is going to cost, we'll all be rowing together in the same direction. We'll get the

00:39:57.700 darn thing done. You got it. Thanks, Mark. Thank you.

00:40:07.700 Listening to the emotion in Mark's voice as he tells the story of Canada's wounded veterans and

00:40:11.760 their mistreatment at the hands of the very agencies meant to help them has me oscillating

00:40:16.200 between heartbreak and fury. Now, rest assured, I will do everything I can to give Canada's veterans

00:40:21.940 a platform to tell their stories. And I will think of very creative ways for you at home to show

00:40:27.060 your support for them. Now, I currently have a petition to the federal government. It's at

00:40:32.240 helpnothomicide.com and it calls on the feds to offer some real help to people instead of coercing

00:40:40.460 them into medical assistance and dying because Canadians are opting for state-sanctioned homicide 0.98

00:40:45.800 as a reaction to their suffering, which so often comes at the hands of an inept government agency.

00:40:53.460 Now, on that depressing note, let's turn our eyes to the gun show letters.

00:40:57.920 At the end of every show, every week, I give you my email address. It's sheila at rebelnews.com.

00:41:04.220 Write me a letter, put gun show letters in the subject line so I know that that's what it's for.

00:41:09.000 And let me know what you think about the work that we're doing here at Rebel News,

00:41:12.100 and I just might read your letter on air. Tonight's gun show letter comes to us from Mark Murray,

00:41:17.480 and he's writing in on last week's gun show with Rick Igersich from Canada's National Firearms

00:41:22.920 Association about Justin Trudeau's latest gun ban, which amounts to a wide-scale, comprehensive

00:41:29.720 prohibition on almost every single hunting firearm in this country, with the exception of a few.

00:41:36.120 Mark writes,

00:41:36.740 Hello, Sheila. I enjoyed your recent show with the National Firearms Association. I did not realize

00:41:41.280 this organization existed. Thanks to your show and all the rebels, I am a better informed citizen.

00:41:47.160 I decided to become a member of the NFA just based on your show. Well, that's great.

00:41:52.640 I figure the more voices, the better strength in numbers. It especially sparked my interest

00:41:57.260 when you were talking about semi-automatic rifles with a magazine that can hold more than five rounds,

00:42:03.400 and that's just a gun capable of holding that. I have a semi-auto .22 that has a detachable magazine

00:42:09.220 that can hold 10 rounds. I bet it's pinned. It's a beautiful gun. I also have a Remington 870 shotgun

00:42:14.800 that I've owned since I was in high school many years ago. It's a reliable gun, and I also have an

00:42:20.280 air rifle for target practice. Thank you and all the rebels for keeping us informed. Once again,

00:42:27.700 I oscillate between fury and sorrow. Fury that law-abiding Canadian gun owners are being scapegoated

00:42:34.760 by their liberal government for the crimes happening in progressive cities and exacerbated

00:42:39.600 by progressive policies. I'm sad for the attack on this fundamental part of Canadian heritage.

00:42:45.900 Whether or not you like or use guns, it really doesn't change. Their intrinsic tie to Canadian

00:42:51.980 culture and their historic value in turning this country from an undiscovered, unlivable place

00:42:57.380 to a real society. And my sorrow. My guns, which were my dad's, my grandpa's, cannot be passed along

00:43:03.980 to my children. I will not be able to teach my grandchildren how to shoot gophers with the same

00:43:09.700 gun that my dad taught me and that his dad used to teach him. Those guns will instead be turned over

00:43:16.400 to the state upon my death and destroyed along with that history of my family. My kids won't have

00:43:23.240 that tie to the great men they were never able to meet because Justin Trudeau blames me for what some

00:43:30.020 gangster in Toronto is doing. Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much

00:43:36.220 for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week. And remember,

00:43:41.440 don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:43:46.400 Don't tell me that you've left a second. There are a few employees. There are always

00:43:52.240 reasons. But what are you doing? And I'll say, don't tell you. Let's take about

00:43:55.400 floors, let's change the transport route to your mother. And on the right side, put the 0.97

00:43:58.880 ource with the��도 iron, raised some misитанquality that are holding a When I get this

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Rebel News Podcast - December 07, 2022

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Our veterans are being bullied into MAID and here's the proof

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