Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The Prairies get a Rebel to call their own

00:00:00.360 Oh, hey Rebels, it's me, Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're listening to a free audio-only

00:00:06.680 recording of my weekly Wednesday night show, The Gunn Show.

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00:00:15.280 Tonight my guest is someone that is new to the Rebel team, but she's definitely not new

00:00:20.500 to Rebel viewers.

00:00:22.340 It's Kelly Lamb, our newest Rebel News contributor.

00:00:25.860 She's based just outside of Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, so maybe, possibly more in the

00:00:34.120 middle of nowhere than even me.

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00:01:19.080 We've got a brand new Rebel on the team, and you get to meet her today. 0.96

00:01:22.540 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:01:25.740 Some of you may already be well acquainted with our newest Rebel from some of her prior

00:01:48.420 appearances on this very show.

00:01:50.480 You might also know her from, I guess, being the resident Rebel News songstress.

00:01:54.680 We actually flew her to the UK to sing at a rally for Tommy Robinson.

00:01:59.600 It's Kelly Day, and she's a small-town Saskatchewan girl with a big love and big passion for free

00:02:07.340 speech, personal liberty, and hearing both sides of the story, which is a dangerous thing

00:02:12.460 these days.

00:02:13.460 And Kelly's on the show today to refresh your memories about her if you already know who

00:02:16.880 she is.

00:02:17.360 And for those of you who are new, you get to meet her for the very first time.

00:02:22.020 And you know what?

00:02:23.240 I think you're going to love her.

00:02:24.360 So here's Kelly Day in an interview we recorded yesterday morning.

00:02:28.500 So joining me now from her home north of Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, is my friend Kelly Lamb

00:02:42.820 and the newest Rebel News contributor.

00:02:45.720 Thank you, Kelly, so much for joining us.

00:02:48.320 I'm happy to be here.

00:02:49.560 Happy to be here, Sheila.

00:02:50.900 Thanks for having me.

00:02:51.540 I think you could be a bit of a new face to some people, but I think to long-time Rebel

00:02:58.440 viewers, you're not all that new.

00:03:01.500 But why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and sort of how you came to, I guess,

00:03:08.160 where you are today.

00:03:09.420 Not in particular how you came to be working with us at Rebel News, but just sort of how

00:03:14.060 you ended up in this place in your life and on the internets.

00:03:18.560 Fair enough.

00:03:19.040 Well, I'll try to keep that brief.

00:03:20.200 Brevity has never been my strength, so no promises.

00:03:23.280 That's okay.

00:03:24.060 But Ezra is my boss.

00:03:25.980 I'm okay.

00:03:26.660 I'm used to that.

00:03:28.480 Fair enough.

00:03:29.000 Fair enough.

00:03:30.060 Basically, I started getting interested in politics when I was young, but I was a bit

00:03:33.100 of a lefty, full disclosure, and dealing with health issues and seeing a lot of poverty

00:03:38.500 and stuff.

00:03:38.940 You always want to be compassionate and believing that narrative.

00:03:41.400 And I started having a big personal shift in sort of the 2017 to 2019 region, started a

00:03:47.540 YouTube video in mid-July 2018.

00:03:50.560 And then from there, ended up running for politics for the PPC, People's Party of Canada

00:03:54.520 in 2019, in my writing.

00:03:56.620 And from there, just continued to delve into this idea of sort of monologuing on political

00:04:02.380 and social issues.

00:04:03.460 And Sheila and I were talking a bit off screen about, you know, how great it is to do something

00:04:07.920 for a living that you actually just, you're ranting at home about the news anyway.

00:04:11.540 You might as well do it on camera and have a little more structure to it.

00:04:14.300 So I just started making a YouTube channel, which was small, but it grew and did a bit

00:04:19.600 with the Rebel, a little bit of musical gigging here and there, and took some time off for

00:04:24.860 health and wasn't sure where it was going to go.

00:04:26.920 And I had a surgery, and now I'm back and sort of was just trying to decide how my life

00:04:31.360 would go.

00:04:32.080 And this just sort of happened.

00:04:33.560 So here we are now, a Rebel contributor.

00:04:36.560 And I'm really excited about it.

00:04:38.320 Really, really great people to work with.

00:04:39.960 So that's the best short, that's probably the best short summary I've ever done.

00:04:43.420 It usually takes far longer than that.

00:04:45.340 You know, and I kind of like that you come from the left, because I think right in the

00:04:51.480 left, we care about different, or we care about a lot of the same things, but we, our

00:04:56.300 solutions are different, right?

00:04:58.360 A lot of the people on the left, they say they care about the poor.

00:05:01.600 I care about the poor too.

00:05:02.840 I was one.

00:05:03.620 I grew up not a child of privilege whatsoever.

00:05:07.060 And for a lot of people on the left, they think that just taking other people's money and

00:05:12.000 throwing it at the problem is the way to be compassionate.

00:05:15.340 Um, because those poor people, they just can't figure it out for themselves, you see. 1.00

00:05:19.640 And for me coming at it from the right and having lived that experience, I say, no, we

00:05:23.900 just need opportunities.

00:05:25.620 We're not, not hardworking.

00:05:27.140 We just need everybody to get out of our way.

00:05:30.040 And so bigotry of soft expectations, I find is a big thing, as well as just the approach

00:05:34.580 to government, believing the government has the answer, bigger government, more policy.

00:05:38.900 That's never the answer.

00:05:40.200 The government I am learning does not do a very good job. 0.99

00:05:42.860 So either they have terrible intentions or they have good intentions, but they just suck 0.98

00:05:46.360 at what they're doing.

00:05:47.280 So if you hand it over to the government, chances are they're not going to do as good of a job

00:05:50.800 as a smaller charity or a grassroots group of people or regular citizens.

00:05:54.660 So it really started to dawn on me how much I was being duped by flowery language and essentially

00:05:59.800 wolves in sheep's clothing.

00:06:01.240 That's probably the biggest part that I tried.

00:06:03.540 I think it's even in my Twitter bio, just really warning people to stop.

00:06:07.040 Canadians are very easily duped by nice language.

00:06:09.440 I don't know what it is with us, but we are just so, oh, well, that sounded real compassionate.

00:06:13.280 I'll just dive into that.

00:06:14.580 But there's little, there's very little empowerment in these types of policies.

00:06:18.140 And that's really what got me awakened to just, I guess I'm a classical liberal, but ultimately

00:06:22.140 I'm a conservative now because everything's moved so far to the left that none of the traditional

00:06:27.820 labels even matter anymore.

00:06:29.440 But I'd like to think I'm at least just common sense.

00:06:31.740 And, you know, that's not a common thing anymore, unfortunately.

00:06:35.520 So, yeah, yeah, it's, I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Canadians have made 1.00

00:06:41.380 being nice or we think being nice, like, or being perceived as nice by the rest of the world.

00:06:47.860 That's our identity.

00:06:49.160 And so we just want to do nice things.

00:06:51.220 And for a lot of people, being nice means giving other people other people's money and then patting

00:06:57.480 yourself on the back for it, right?

00:06:59.100 Like, it doesn't make any sense.

00:07:00.640 It's an interesting ideology.

00:07:02.200 And I feel like there's a lot of passive aggression in our niceness.

00:07:05.920 That's what I'm really learning with this whole pandemic stuff is there's a lot of, a lot of

00:07:10.620 passive aggression and sort of this gentle, we're going to say sort of nice things, but

00:07:14.920 you can tell that we're going to judge you really hard underneath it all.

00:07:17.900 But with a really big smile, right?

00:07:19.660 I'm seeing that a lot.

00:07:20.820 So I'm starting to question the nice narrative, but that's a whole other discussion altogether.

00:07:24.480 So, yeah.

00:07:25.420 Yeah.

00:07:25.600 I think a lot of that, like, niceness is cloaked anti-Americanism.

00:07:31.840 A lot of times you see the Americans started. 0.54

00:07:34.040 I know we see that a lot of the left in Canada sees Americans is like brash and rough around

00:07:39.140 the edges and they see individualism as selfishness.

00:07:43.380 And whereas, you know, a normal person might say, well, wanting what somebody else has worked

00:07:48.620 for, isn't that the selfish viewpoint?

00:07:50.360 Not the person who wants to keep it.

00:07:52.580 Right.

00:07:53.120 Right.

00:07:53.360 You might say that.

00:07:54.580 Yes.

00:07:54.840 But again, the anti-Americanism part is something that I've definitely noticed since I was younger,

00:07:59.400 even before I got into politics.

00:08:00.620 I remember thinking, why were people so hard on the States?

00:08:03.780 I liked their patriotism growing up.

00:08:05.360 I always thought we needed more, a little more of that in our nation.

00:08:08.520 And now I've learned a little more nuance and I don't think I've changed my mind on that.

00:08:12.140 So, well, and I think too, that sort of distinguishes the West as sort of as, I would say,

00:08:19.000 we are a bit of a distinct society, distinct culture from the rest of Canada,

00:08:22.540 because I think we are more closely aligned with that rugged individualism of the Americans

00:08:27.040 than that, like, collective niceties of the Laurentian overlords in Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa.

00:08:34.960 Yeah, 100%.

00:08:36.080 Now, I wanted to, you touched on something there.

00:08:39.520 You said a word that I think...

00:08:42.040 I saw you writing, yeah.

00:08:43.340 Yeah, I'm always scribbling.

00:08:44.960 But you said grassroots.

00:08:47.780 And so by the time that this goes to air, people are going to see your second video.

00:08:51.600 And your first two videos, I think, are going to set the stage for, and correct me if I'm wrong,

00:08:58.500 the sort of stories that I think you're going to focus on.

00:09:03.380 But again, this is Rebel News, and we give our journalists a lot of leeway to talk about

00:09:07.680 the things that they care about in particular.

00:09:09.420 But you've covered a grassroots uprising of parents and people in Saskatchewan who have said,

00:09:18.720 no, you're not going to do these things to our kids and put these rules on our kids 0.82

00:09:22.440 without our say first, or at least without asking us.

00:09:26.440 And a lot of this is being done without even asking the parents if this is a good idea.

00:09:31.840 We know that politicians are going to do things to us and, like, pay things lip service,

00:09:37.240 but they didn't even bother to pay lip service in Saskatchewan and some of these school boards.

00:09:42.200 No, they just push out these policies, and then they use that ever, you know, evergreen

00:09:47.480 line of this is what we learn from the experts, and this is what's best for your children,

00:09:52.800 and that's what we're going to do moving forward without even considering that perhaps,

00:09:56.660 imagine that a parent might know what's best for their kid, whether it comes to vaccines

00:10:00.760 or anything else.

00:10:01.740 A parent knows what is best for their child.

00:10:03.840 And we, again, in Canada, I find it odd that we give so much, just passively give authority

00:10:09.700 to the state over very important decisions that can affect our children's lives, right?

00:10:14.820 So it's, I found it really interesting, the approach that Nadine took.

00:10:18.240 That's one of the reasons I was so interested in the story is just, I love, well, that and

00:10:21.820 knowing them a bit personally and wanting to fight for good people because you know that

00:10:25.200 their intentions are so good, and you know that these are reasonable people and smart people

00:10:29.520 and people with access to good medical data.

00:10:32.060 So I really appreciated their approach of, we're going to do the best we can to meet

00:10:36.280 them in the middle, play their game, then we'll go to the meeting, we'll, we're not just

00:10:40.080 going to, you know, stand with signs and swear and whatever else with big, you know, F Trudeau

00:10:44.700 signs, nothing like that.

00:10:46.020 It's, they're going to go and try to actually find some reasonable, like, policy alternative,

00:10:51.340 and whether that's going to go anywhere in the long run, or they're just going to say,

00:10:55.200 oh, we're, we're restructuring things, we're going to make it better, you know, we'll find

00:10:58.760 out, I guess, how much that is an empty promise or whether they fulfill it.

00:11:02.680 But at least they're trying to, they're really trying to do this in a peaceful way.

00:11:06.640 And what started as just this grassroots parental concern group turned into healthcare workers

00:11:12.580 who were concerned and are going to lose their jobs soon from the Saskatchewan Health

00:11:16.320 Authority.

00:11:16.840 So then that group started and Nadine headed that up.

00:11:19.160 And then there were so many people wanting to come in that aren't healthcare workers through

00:11:22.500 multiple occupations.

00:11:23.940 So then they expanded it.

00:11:25.200 And now we have Unified Grassroots, which I think is, is almost at 6,000 people now.

00:11:29.100 And that's the way more than even since I did the video.

00:11:31.520 So it's going from parents to citizens at large, people are really concerned about what's

00:11:36.760 happening.

00:11:37.100 And we haven't even seen the downfall of all of these policies from kids to firing people

00:11:42.940 for not getting something for a medical choice.

00:11:44.880 We have no idea the, the huge effects that that is going to, to have.

00:11:49.320 And what's nice about a group like Unified Grassroots and what they're doing is they

00:11:52.960 really are bringing it back to the very beginning, back to the people, keep it simple.

00:11:56.540 And let's go in there and try to bring our ideas to the table and do it in strength in

00:12:01.340 numbers with unity and try to give the media, the ferocious mainstream media, less fodder.

00:12:06.540 They're going to try to discredit you any way they can.

00:12:08.460 We know that, but we're trying to, you know, they're trying to give them less fodder for,

00:12:11.680 for fun, I guess, for things that they can just nail you on.

00:12:15.000 So it's, it's nice to see people really, they're, they're not meeting the hate with

00:12:19.100 hate.

00:12:19.400 They really want to meet the hatred with light, you know, light in the darkness,

00:12:23.580 unification, not focusing on, on labeling and division.

00:12:27.240 Cause that's all we have in this country.

00:12:28.560 It's whether it's race or, or medical status or whatever else you want to throw in there,

00:12:32.820 we just are at each other's throats and they're really trying to, even though sometimes

00:12:37.240 it's hard because people have been harsh and cruel, right.

00:12:40.880 And wishing death upon people to, to meet that with grace is so difficult.

00:12:45.840 And I really commend Nadine Ness and the people that are starting that group because they've

00:12:50.580 really found a way to show grace under fire.

00:12:52.960 And that's not common right now.

00:12:54.360 So, yeah, that's what I really like about Nadine's group.

00:12:57.500 And like you say, Nadine's not a crazy person.

00:13:00.120 She's a former RCMP officer.

00:13:01.840 She's a mom, she's a farmer. 1.00

00:13:03.560 She's married into a freedom fighting family.

00:13:05.620 Um, and, uh, so the, there's a role for protest, obviously there's a role of speaking truth

00:13:12.940 to power.

00:13:13.440 Um, but she's also showing up at school board meetings and talking to the school board. 0.95

00:13:18.920 And so she's approaching this from both sides and utilizing every tool the citizen has to 1.00

00:13:26.060 advocate for policy change, which I really like, but you did, you, you did point out something,

00:13:31.080 um, interesting when you were commenting on that and that I think the old political lines have

00:13:37.620 sort of dropped away.

00:13:39.660 Normally we, we think of healthcare workers as, you know, voting for big government because

00:13:43.900 they work for the government and their unions are often supporting the NDP, but they are being

00:13:48.760 left out in the dark by their unions and the, the, the party that their union traditionally

00:13:54.440 supports.

00:13:55.600 And I think it's not left versus right anymore.

00:13:59.760 It's freedom versus control.

00:14:01.940 It's the people who want to be left alone and the people who won't leave them alone.

00:14:06.720 And I think the greatest failing of our politicians during this time is that there are a few that

00:14:13.020 are willing to get in front of the issue and say, okay, well, those people are a single

00:14:17.360 issue voter.

00:14:18.280 Let's round them all up.

00:14:19.900 This weird, this weird swath of humanity, people who normally would cross the street so that

00:14:27.100 they didn't walk on the same side of the street as each other.

00:14:29.440 They're all showing up at the same protest and chanting the same thing.

00:14:33.260 A good politician would want to round up all those people and make them potential voters,

00:14:37.820 but that's not really happening at least at the provincial level at all.

00:14:41.380 Not at all.

00:14:42.120 And it's so interesting that you bring that up because it kind of ties into my story.

00:14:45.140 So part of me getting into sort of the left back in the day was me going into natural health,

00:14:49.940 the world of natural health, which is very, that's also what got me into sort of the new

00:14:53.720 age, which was what I was going to focus on as well as politics.

00:14:56.680 I don't know if the rebel has any space for that, but that kind of ideology, and it is

00:15:01.140 very liberal in the political sense.

00:15:03.340 It all kind of has a lot of crossover, but natural health is an interesting field because 0.89

00:15:07.540 it's full of people that are either complete normies and don't give a crap about politics

00:15:11.860 or people that are very left-leaning.

00:15:13.660 And this is where we're with the whole COVID thing and status, medical status, vaccine

00:15:19.460 status.

00:15:19.800 I don't know what word I'm supposed to use on YouTube for all of this at this point, but

00:15:23.160 it seems like that's the really the one group that is, you know, showing the same, the same,

00:15:31.060 sorry, I was having like weird beefs going on on my computer.

00:15:35.100 Did you hear that?

00:15:36.020 Can we like edit this out?

00:15:37.300 Yeah.

00:15:37.520 Okay.

00:15:37.700 So in the natural health world, you have people that are either complete normies and

00:15:43.180 they're not political at all, or they're very left-leaning.

00:15:45.700 And that's where we're finding a lot of commonality on the COVID-19 vaccine, because people don't

00:15:51.100 want to take pharmaceuticals in the natural health world that are, you know, they don't

00:15:54.220 take Advil for goodness sake. 1.00

00:15:55.800 They go to some natural, some herb or something or homeopathy.

00:15:59.560 And in fact, they don't want to just, that bodily autonomy, that's the line for them.

00:16:04.740 And they're not political, but anybody that's trying to force something into their body,

00:16:08.100 they're seeing that as a threat.

00:16:09.200 And it's not about partisanship.

00:16:10.620 There's no Trump thoughts in here.

00:16:12.060 There's nothing that we've been, you know, on Twitter, all of us people on Twitter are

00:16:15.500 fighting it out for 18 months about all the politics.

00:16:18.060 They don't care.

00:16:18.860 They just don't want that substance in their veins, period.

00:16:21.800 And so you do find a really unique crossover.

00:16:24.580 And that rally was a great example.

00:16:26.480 Every possible race, every possible ethnicity, background, occupation, belief didn't matter.

00:16:33.080 People are coming together on this one issue.

00:16:36.280 And like you said, politicians aren't paying attention to that or something else is going

00:16:41.240 on.

00:16:41.500 And I don't know what's happened with Scott Moe.

00:16:43.360 Same as Kenny.

00:16:44.100 They were adamant against this passport, this mandating of vaccines, and they've completely

00:16:48.580 done a 360.

00:16:50.240 I'm not saying that anything weird has happened.

00:16:53.320 I know he's been denouncing conspiracy theories of being paid off by Big Pharma.

00:16:57.360 I don't know if there's bribery or blackmail or what's going on.

00:17:00.360 But these people are doing about faces, and they've become quite tyrannical.

00:17:04.140 And it's not the best thing to move forward.

00:17:06.600 They must see the negative effects of losing a bunch of skilled workers in every possible

00:17:11.540 field.

00:17:12.100 Surely they know that the dividing society isn't going to make things better, right?

00:17:16.320 You know, it's really interesting.

00:17:18.220 Very scary.

00:17:19.040 I didn't see Saskatchewan going this way.

00:17:21.020 For a long time in this pandemic, I was grateful to be here.

00:17:24.160 And I would say, oh, I'm in the safest part of Canada.

00:17:26.540 I'm in the most sane part of Canada, and now here we are.

00:17:29.800 And it's not just the government, Sheila.

00:17:31.820 It's bad enough.

00:17:32.780 We expect the government to screw us over, especially as conservatives, right?

00:17:36.400 What I didn't expect was to see people screwing each other over.

00:17:39.320 What I didn't expect was seeing so many people go along with it, throw their family and friends

00:17:43.820 under the bus for the illusion of the chance of safety.

00:17:48.040 That's fascinating to me.

00:17:49.140 Yeah, it's true.

00:17:52.460 When you go to these protests, it is just this.

00:17:56.300 You want to talk about a kaleidoscope of humanity.

00:17:59.240 You've got, you know, Orthodox Christians, Anabaptists, the crystals cure cancer crowd,

00:18:08.800 the New Agers, the conservatives who just want to be left alone, the oil patch workers who 0.99

00:18:14.080 are like, I don't want to get the jab because I have to go in a work camp.

00:18:20.040 It's small business owners.

00:18:21.400 It's everybody.

00:18:23.180 And there's not a single politician with the good sense of Ralph Klein, who someone once

00:18:28.560 asked him his secret to success, and it was to identify a parade that was already marching

00:18:34.280 and then just jump in front of it and lead it, which is actually pretty smart.

00:18:37.780 It's very populous.

00:18:38.680 But there's not a single politician willing to do it.

00:18:41.740 And, you know, it's sad to see politicians we thought were actual good conservatives who

00:18:47.820 cared about these things just now going along to get along because, I don't know, because

00:18:51.620 they're doing it in Ontario.

00:18:54.120 But again, like you said, we expect our politicians to do this.

00:18:57.820 It's sadder to see our friends and neighbors so scared of the TV and the things the TV is

00:19:08.880 telling them that they're making their relationships with people they know are good people all of

00:19:15.520 a sudden conditional on their medical status.

00:19:18.120 And that really bothers me.

00:19:20.420 That's it for me, too.

00:19:21.280 That's bang on.

00:19:22.460 It's about, you know, going from your whole life, you know certain people, whether it's

00:19:26.240 friends, neighbors, family members, people that have good hearts, that care about others,

00:19:29.820 whatever the case is, you respect them.

00:19:32.100 Suddenly this happens.

00:19:33.440 And because of this absolute constant fear porn that's been put into people's minds, they're

00:19:38.260 willing to dump those people that they know and trust or did trust at one point.

00:19:42.860 Something shifted and now they trust pharmaceutical companies and government, people that are making

00:19:46.980 health policy, often unelected bureaucratic bureaucrats, you know, thousands of miles away.

00:19:51.520 And they're willing to trust that person, but not the person that's really just trying

00:19:55.780 to to reach out, maybe share a bit of info.

00:19:58.580 There's a lot of condescension going on.

00:20:00.640 There's a lot of just shutting down of facts.

00:20:02.440 People aren't even willing to listen.

00:20:04.100 It's very discouraging.

00:20:05.280 It's happening in my family and it's happening in employment.

00:20:07.880 People are feeling isolated.

00:20:09.640 We've just split the society into I've I've never seen anything like it, Sheila.

00:20:14.080 And seeing it, like I said, seeing it in Saskatchewan with a bunch of people that I thought

00:20:17.820 were this is not the Saskatchewan way.

00:20:19.900 I think Nadine was talking about that a lot at the rally.

00:20:22.720 We are known to be generous.

00:20:24.800 I mean, this is the home of Tommy Douglas, right?

00:20:27.120 This is this is the home of United Way breaking records in charity giving.

00:20:32.380 We are a very giving, loving place.

00:20:35.200 It's a it's a harsh environment in Saskatchewan.

00:20:37.580 So we've always had, you know, whether people were in 1950s, you know, you had farmers helping

00:20:42.960 each other, dig each other out of the snow, helping each other during harvest.

00:20:46.500 That's the kind of people that Saskatchewan, you know, that's what we're bred from.

00:20:49.620 And this is not normal.

00:20:51.160 This is it feels extremely antithetical to everything I've ever known and loved and been

00:20:56.020 proud about with this province.

00:20:58.100 It's it's really scary.

00:20:59.600 And I did expect it from government, even Scott Moe.

00:21:01.920 I mean, I didn't think he was this bad, but I expected him to go.

00:21:05.860 Politicians often sell out.

00:21:07.040 That's just the way it's.

00:21:08.020 It's I mean, it's a job where they're incentivized to lie.

00:21:11.000 I think that's the other part that's bugging me is people know that they they'll all say,

00:21:14.920 oh, politicians lie, politicians lie. 0.78

00:21:16.940 But when it actually affects their day to day, they're not picking up on it.

00:21:20.380 And I'm not suggesting the numbers in the ICU or hospitals or anything are fake.

00:21:24.220 I know that they're real.

00:21:25.100 I have friends that are nurses.

00:21:26.120 I understand that we have lots of hospital overload.

00:21:28.780 I'm not questioning that, nor am I being uncompassionate towards that.

00:21:32.840 The question is not whether we feel anything at all for these people that are suffering.

00:21:36.580 It's whether we believe, like you said, the right way forward.

00:21:39.160 I'm a little more mad and would be more tempted to be angry at hospital administration

00:21:44.080 or health bureaucrats making policy than I would at my friend or neighbor who decided

00:21:49.440 to not be vaccinated for whatever reason, especially being at, what, 80 percent almost now.

00:21:54.800 And it's just not enough.

00:21:55.580 You've got to keep pushing, keep pushing.

00:21:56.940 Nobody's willing to.

00:21:58.240 They've idolized this treatment.

00:22:00.300 They put all their eggs in this basket.

00:22:01.620 And if you're not on board or you have one criticism, you're a bad person.

00:22:05.380 You're an anti-vaxxer.

00:22:06.680 I'm done with you. 1.00

00:22:07.480 You're selfish. 1.00

00:22:08.040 It's crazy. 0.99

00:22:08.680 It's just the brainwashing.

00:22:10.480 I have to give the mainstream media credit, which I hate to do.

00:22:13.660 But good job, guys.

00:22:14.820 You've really just managed to create this entire wall of fear.

00:22:20.020 They did a very good job.

00:22:21.340 So I guess good for them, if that's a compliment they want to hear.

00:22:25.740 Way to divide the whole society and ruin families.

00:22:29.340 That's really fantastic.

00:22:31.100 Well, and I also resent the stigmatizing of people who have made a different medical choice

00:22:35.760 and other people as responsible for the collapse of the health care system.

00:22:39.980 This whole narrative that it is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

00:22:45.940 Hospitalizations may be the unvaccinated.

00:22:48.100 That's not the point.

00:22:48.940 The pandemic is a pandemic of a failure of politicians who are in charge of the medical system, who had 20 months to ramp up ICU capacity and who did, in fact, the opposite.

00:23:02.340 Now you're scapegoating innocent people, sick people for your failure.

00:23:07.760 Since when do we scapegoat sick people?

00:23:09.780 We've never done that before.

00:23:11.100 All of a sudden we're doing it now.

00:23:13.400 Exactly.

00:23:13.980 And this is not the norm.

00:23:15.520 Across the world, when you look at the way that other countries are handling this, many are now saying, okay, this is endemic.

00:23:20.620 Like, we can't vaccinate our way out of this, unfortunately.

00:23:23.100 It's one tool, but we need more.

00:23:24.700 We're going to bring up, you know, ICU surge capacity.

00:23:27.400 We're going to train more nurses. 1.00

00:23:28.940 I think back to, say, World War I, for example, or World War II.

00:23:31.940 You know, if you need nurses, you train them.

00:23:33.340 You get people.

00:23:34.160 You do whatever it takes.

00:23:35.060 But you have to address the real issue.

00:23:36.580 And you have to also be prepared, if whatever you're doing isn't working, to have a plan B.

00:23:40.860 I'm not a rocket scientist, but I don't think that that's such a hard concept to understand, that you don't ever put all your eggs in one basket.

00:23:48.040 You have to be aware of the whole situation.

00:23:50.680 And, unfortunately, socialized medicine in Canada, despite the fact that people touted as the best, is not the best in the world.

00:23:56.980 We have a lot of issues.

00:23:58.600 The American system is not perfect either.

00:24:00.260 It's not an either or.

00:24:01.820 I had to go get surgery in the States in June because of issues with our system.

00:24:07.240 Yes, COVID made it worse.

00:24:08.600 But it wasn't because of COVID.

00:24:10.120 It was because it's just handled so poorly.

00:24:12.900 And long before this pandemic ever hit, we have had horrible wait times.

00:24:16.880 I think some of the highest wait times in the industrialized world for Canadians dealing with health care.

00:24:22.400 Sorry to interrupt you.

00:24:23.600 And Saskatchewan is some of the best.

00:24:25.940 Well, we...

00:24:27.440 As far as bad wait times go, you guys are the best.

00:24:30.100 Exactly.

00:24:30.740 And we've allowed at least some private options for MRIs and things like that.

00:24:34.800 But the fight against it, it's so interesting.

00:24:37.420 Also fascinating on the front of universal health care and the positives or negatives,

00:24:41.680 the biggest advocates for our health care system, no one left behind.

00:24:46.720 It covers everyone.

00:24:47.600 We give people second chances.

00:24:48.960 Nobody gets to...

00:24:49.960 It's not a you're all covered except you and you and you.

00:24:52.980 That's not a thing.

00:24:54.200 That's the point of universal.

00:24:56.460 It is the foundation of our health care system.

00:24:58.720 But we have people saying, well, because of this one medical choice, you don't deserve health care.

00:25:03.520 That I've seen that way too many times, not just from random people on Twitter, mainstream media pushing this idea that maybe, you know,

00:25:10.560 maybe the people that aren't vaccinated shouldn't get health care or they should have to pay for it.

00:25:14.220 Not recognizing, I mean, we literally can't deny somebody who has been convicted with knowingly spreading HIV,

00:25:21.880 which is a pretty much guaranteed killer.

00:25:23.700 We can't deny them health care.

00:25:24.920 We don't deny prisoners health care.

00:25:26.520 We don't deny anybody health care.

00:25:28.040 But for some reason, now it's OK.

00:25:29.920 It would never have been OK to have this discussion about any other group, whether it be addicts or people that drive terribly and are constantly driving drunk.

00:25:37.840 We can't refuse treatment based on your feels.

00:25:41.040 That's not how universal health care works.

00:25:42.900 You don't get to play God and decide who deserves it.

00:25:45.300 These people have paid for...

00:25:46.680 If you pay for taxes, you pay for health care.

00:25:48.760 You can't just pull it from someone.

00:25:50.460 But these are the ideas and the questions that we shouldn't even have to...

00:25:54.140 We shouldn't be having these ethical discussions.

00:25:56.120 It should just be a given that universal health care is universal.

00:25:59.160 And if you're arguing for what they're arguing for, you're actually arguing for private care, which, hey, let's have that debate. 0.95

00:26:04.960 But most of them are hypocrites and they don't want private care. 0.93

00:26:07.400 They just want to be able to say who deserves it and who doesn't. 1.00

00:26:10.220 And it's super fascist.

00:26:11.700 And I'd say fascist wannabe because most of these people aren't that impressive when it comes to how they execute it.

00:26:16.660 You know, it's funny because a lot of the same people saying, oh, if you're not vaccinated, you shouldn't be able to get a ventilator if you need one.

00:26:26.140 But these are the same people who would advocate for a supervised drug injection site where the government is not only providing the building, the nurses to oversee it, but also the drugs.

00:26:37.040 And so that's an appropriate lifestyle choice.

00:26:40.760 We all know is bad, right?

00:26:42.820 Like we all know doing drugs is bad.

00:26:44.880 But they would say, well, that's risk mitigation and that's health care.

00:26:49.920 I think that's enabling.

00:26:51.500 But they would say that's health care.

00:26:53.320 But someone who is gravely ill and needs a ventilator or at least an ICU bed to save their life.

00:26:58.620 Well, if you're unvaccinated, sorry, it goes to a vaccinated person.

00:27:02.460 Top luck.

00:27:03.160 Oh, sorry about your luck, bro.

00:27:04.740 Right.

00:27:05.020 We're so compassionate.

00:27:06.460 We're so nice here.

00:27:07.640 Aren't we nice, Sheila?

00:27:08.780 Yeah.

00:27:09.160 Yeah.

00:27:09.720 Super nice.

00:27:11.600 Yeah.

00:27:12.020 That's I mean, we just have to look at the treatment of a high profile anti-lockdown activist in Saskatchewan and how the doctors there are treating him on Twitter.

00:27:23.100 But I know you have a story coming up.

00:27:24.640 I think that's my third story, I believe.

00:27:26.160 So that'll be coming up soon.

00:27:27.280 Yeah, there's some really amazing ethics being displayed by professionals that should know better, put it that way.

00:27:34.140 Now, I'm taking up a lot of your time and I don't want to do that because you've got Rebel News to do.

00:27:40.220 So I wanted to ask you, going forward, what are some of the things that are sort of in your wheelhouse?

00:27:46.680 What do you want to focus on?

00:27:47.680 Because we get a lot of freedom here at Rebel News to talk about things that matter to us.

00:27:51.180 So what can people expect from you?

00:27:54.060 Well, for now, I mentioned to Ezra, like the lockdown stuff is big, lockdowns, vaccines, COVID mandates.

00:27:59.840 That's a huge that's a huge topic.

00:28:01.800 And because it's coming down so heavy handed in Saskatchewan and elsewhere, of course, but I think Saskatchewan is more strict on certain policies than in other places, even in the country, let alone the world.

00:28:10.720 I want to focus on the real stories of how that's affecting people getting fired, people being isolated, discriminated against in multiple ways.

00:28:19.380 There's so many ways in my own personal life and people that I know and love that are being affected and then hearing these horror stories.

00:28:25.680 So that's what I really want to focus on is humanizing these terrible, terrible policy decisions and showing what a vaccine mandate actually looks like.

00:28:34.180 Not just this theory of we're keeping people safe, which don't even get me started.

00:28:37.520 I don't think it's going to actually change anything as far as numbers in hospitals go.

00:28:41.260 So it really is just a feel good.

00:28:42.620 We think we're doing something measure and we don't care how much it hurts people as long as we feel like it might do something.

00:28:48.680 So that's a big part of it for me.

00:28:50.080 But but hopefully that won't be something that we're talking about forever.

00:28:53.400 However, I'd like to get into all manners of political and social discussion, same stuff I did on my channel.

00:28:59.620 So anything that I feel is is changing or shifting the culture.

00:29:04.600 Those are the things I think are the most important, not just the politics, but how our culture is going, because it's all connected.

00:29:10.960 Big I have big interest in things like the transitioning of children, gender dysphoria, that discussion.

00:29:16.380 That's a that's a big one for me, just my own women's health issues. 1.00

00:29:20.100 I find it appalling what's happening with sort of the the the pronoun brigade, I guess you could call them. 1.00

00:29:25.980 I've heard it called.

00:29:26.900 So that's a big one for me.

00:29:28.340 I do like to discuss climate change, environmentalism policy, not because I'm an expert, but because I'm someone who considers herself a conservationist, as many conservatives are.

00:29:37.320 It's a complete lie that we don't care about the environment.

00:29:40.020 Most farmers, for example, their whole life is based on taking care of their environment.

00:29:44.440 And everything, their income, their bread and butter is based on knowing the environment and climate intimately.

00:29:50.560 Right. So it's a complete misnomer that we don't care.

00:29:53.280 So I like to talk about policies that work versus the ones that don't.

00:29:56.520 And and that really does span across anything politically, because I always try to take the view of someone who can see both sides and trying to talk to people with sensitive hearts, because there's lots of people out there that are just getting mauled by nice words.

00:30:09.760 That's kind of how I see it.

00:30:10.820 It's like a weaponized empathy.

00:30:12.800 People's empathy is being abused.

00:30:14.940 Right. So that's what I want to talk about is all the different ways we see people's empathy being used and abused in this country and elsewhere.

00:30:21.460 So, you know, I think that's a great approach, especially, you know, as you were writing, I think it was Andrew Breitbart or as you were talking, I was writing, I think it was Andrew Breitbart who said that politics are downstream of culture.

00:30:33.540 And I guess the moral of that is fight the culture war and the politics, the political war will fix itself.

00:30:41.500 And I think we're oftentimes we're late to the game.

00:30:44.680 Well, we're we're fighting politics.

00:30:47.180 We're fighting Justin Trudeau.

00:30:48.260 But we we were sort of we're late because the culture shifted far earlier.

00:30:53.980 And that's where we should have been waging our war, sort of fighting in the in the first ditch.

00:30:59.520 Kelly, I can't wait to see what you do next.

00:31:01.940 Thank you so much for coming on the show.

00:31:03.500 So I think our Rebel News viewers are going to love you as much as I do and just get out there and fight for Saskatchewan.

00:31:12.820 And I think they're very lucky to have you.

00:31:15.220 Awesome. Well, thank you for the kind, kind words.

00:31:17.460 It's really been a wonderful welcome from all the people across the board.

00:31:21.040 Rebel is a great organization and I'm proud to be a part of it.

00:31:23.260 So I'll do the best I can.

00:31:24.820 Thanks, Kelly.

00:31:25.720 Cheers.

00:31:33.500 Now, much to my great regret, Saskatchewan has been somewhat neglected by me.

00:31:51.260 There's just so much news here that we need somebody who cares about Saskatchewan to be able to cover it in the way that our flat province to the east of me deserves.

00:32:02.560 And I know Kelly's the exact woman for the job.

00:32:06.420 Like I told her, I cannot wait to see what she does next.

00:32:09.820 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:32:11.300 Thank you so much, as always, for tuning in.

00:32:13.640 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:32:17.520 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:32:32.560 We'll be right back here in the same time.

Rebel News Podcast - October 14, 2021

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The Prairies get a Rebel to call their own

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