Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Southwest Airlines cancels 2,000 flights — could it happen in Canada？

00:00:00.060 Hello, my rebels. Today, I take you through the wonderful labor action that's roiling Southwest Airlines.

00:00:07.280 And if you would have told me five years ago that I would be cheering a wildcat strike of sorts,

00:00:12.760 a work to rule, that has snarled flights, 2,000 flights delayed or canceled,

00:00:17.800 I'd say, what are you talking about? But you know what?

00:00:20.700 They're actually fighting for their civil liberties and occupational health and safety,

00:00:24.420 what unions were meant to do. And it's a beauty to behold. I'll take you through that today.

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00:01:05.380 Okay, here's today's podcast.

00:01:22.220 Tonight, what's going on with Southwest Airlines? And could it happen here?

00:01:27.360 It's October 12th, and this is the Ezra LeVance Show.

00:01:32.800 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

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00:01:46.480 Look what's happening these past few days with Southwest Airlines,

00:01:56.460 one of the more popular and newer American airlines.

00:01:59.980 2,000 flights canceled over the weekend.

00:02:04.160 We're already seeing a couple of issues. A Southwest afternoon flight to Baltimore has

00:02:10.260 been delayed nearly 10 hours. You can see it right here on your screen with the live tracker

00:02:14.740 scheduled for 1.15 p.m., not going until 10.50 tonight. And we'll be keeping an eye on this

00:02:21.860 throughout the entire morning and afternoon. Southwest is blaming the last few days' problems

00:02:26.560 on air traffic control, poor staffing, and bad weather. According to the Associated Press,

00:02:32.660 Southwest canceled 350 flights across the country just yesterday alone. We spoke with a man who had

00:02:39.780 five flights canceled over the weekend. He was finally able to make the trip home yesterday

00:02:44.600 morning on another airline, but in the meantime, he had to spend a lot of money and get a hotel.

00:02:50.480 Boy, that's a lot of bad luck. What's it all about? Hundreds of delayed flights, many delayed

00:02:57.560 repeatedly, I guess 2,000 altogether. Well, here's what they have to say. They took

00:03:02.540 to Twitter. They said, air traffic control issues and disruptive weather have resulted in a high

00:03:10.100 volume of cancellations throughout the weekend while we work to recover our operation. We appreciate

00:03:16.400 your patience as we accommodate affected customers, and customer service wait times are longer than

00:03:23.160 unusual. Boy, that's really bad luck. But since when does bad weather only affect one airline?

00:03:33.020 And weather across America this weekend was as close to perfect as it gets. What weather were they

00:03:40.040 talking about? Well, here's what the Federal Aviation Administration has to say. They said,

00:03:48.160 no FAA air traffic staffing shortages have been reported since Friday. So they're saying Southwest

00:03:54.880 was lying about air traffic control. The FAA continues to say, flight delays and cancellations

00:04:02.080 occurred for a few hours Friday p.m. due to widespread severe weather, military training, and limited

00:04:09.900 staffing in one area of the Jacksonville Enroute Center. So that's Jacksonville, Florida. Some airlines

00:04:20.780 continue to experience scheduling challenges due to aircraft and crews being out of place. Okay,

00:04:28.000 well, that's sort of weird. Widespread severe weather, but that's not what the weather radar showed. And

00:04:34.260 limited staffing in limited staffing in Jacksonville. Okay, so how does that explain 2,000 flights? And

00:04:40.220 why is it just one airline again? Could it possibly be about something else? Well, here's a report from

00:04:47.540 CNBC. The first tweet is deleted for some reason, but then they said this. The reporter Leslie Joseph

00:04:53.980 said, Southwest Airlines didn't say those were the only reasons. Southwest said that it initiated its issues

00:05:03.200 over the weekend, but acknowledged staffing issues created the bulk of the problem. Okay, I thought

00:05:09.160 they said weather and air traffic control. As we reported today, union figures show 2,000-plus

00:05:15.420 cancellations were because of unavailable crews. The plot thickens. Unavailable crews. I wonder what they

00:05:25.880 were protesting against or doing a work to rule or slow walking. I wonder what's going on. Here's a couple of photos that maybe suggests it. Protests are talking about the jab. And look at this photograph, a Gadsden flag. That's the old revolutionary poster. Don't tread on me. A snake that doesn't like to be stepped on. What's going on here? Well, here's a little more from CNBC.

00:05:53.840 More from CNBC. One of their hosts seems to be a bit angry, basically saying, hey, pilots, we paid you bailouts during the tough times, so you owe us. Take the jab. Take a look.

00:06:09.700 Hey, Casey. I know that you and the airline have said that this is not related to protesting vaccine mandates, but the union did sue effectively to block such a mandate.

00:06:22.840 Can we discuss that for a moment? Because I think there's a question about what the role of pilots should be. As you know, pilots were a beneficiary during the pandemic of taxpayer bailout money. The airline and the pilots and flight attendants all sought that money at the time, even when they weren't flying.

00:06:45.300 And so and the argument at the time was that that was going to, quote, help society.

00:06:49.820 We were trying to help society and that that money was needed to get to those people.

00:06:55.180 What are the pilots prepared to do, if not take the vaccine to, quote, help society at this point?

00:07:00.880 So I think the two are mutually exclusive. The vaccine mandate and and where we are with the lawsuit is really just to get the company to sit down and talk to us and discuss some of some of our issues that our peers have done.

00:07:18.340 And we see where their vaccination rates are. So all we're trying to do is to get them to sit down and talk to us, which we haven't seen.

00:07:25.480 We've been pushing them for 10 months to do that.

00:07:28.520 Pilots have to have to maintain a medical certificate as well as their pilot certificate.

00:07:33.020 So we want to sit down and address how that is going to be affected, how our long term disability, how our loss of license insurance is going to cover.

00:07:40.680 We also have to address, you know, sort of natural immunity, antibodies, alternative means of compliance.

00:07:47.140 There's many things that we need to discuss now, real quickly, going back.

00:07:51.100 And as I say, they're mutually exclusive.

00:07:52.940 You know, the job action idea now that we're at Tuesday, looking back at what happened this weekend, our pilot sick rate was was right in line with what we saw this summer during the same kind of meltdowns.

00:08:04.360 We also see our pilots picking up almost at an all time high.

00:08:08.060 So our pilots are there supporting.

00:08:09.840 So the two are really different.

00:08:11.860 We're just trying to get the company to to sit down with us and discuss these issues to make our pilots feel at ease and make a decision to go out there and get vaccinated or not.

00:08:23.140 Isn't that interesting?

00:08:25.260 Natural immunity, eh?

00:08:27.640 So it's not really about air traffic control, about bad weather.

00:08:31.960 And take a look at this document filed in court, an emergency court application filed by the public, by the Southwest Pilots Union.

00:08:44.100 And take a look here.

00:08:44.960 That the court grants immediate preliminary injunctive relief in joining the defendant and its agents, employees, representatives and successors and predecessors in interest from using and enforcing blah, blah, blah.

00:08:59.080 So the pilots want to ban, number one, the infectious disease control policy, two, the emergency extended time off program, three, the COVID quarantine policy, four, the vaccine participation pay program, five, the flight crew training instructors program, and six, the mandatory COVID vaccine policy.

00:09:22.000 Five out of six demands are about the vaccine.

00:09:25.940 It's pretty vaccine-ish.

00:09:28.380 Nothing about weather, nothing about air traffic control.

00:09:30.940 But here's what the president's spokesman, Jen Psaki, has to say.

00:09:35.220 I know there was a little hubbub over the course of the last few days about Southwest Airlines.

00:09:41.540 We now know that some of those claims were absolutely false.

00:09:44.580 And actually, the issues were completely unrelated to vaccine mandates.

00:09:49.220 But again, what we've seen business to business across the country is this is the way to save lives, create more certainty.

00:09:54.960 It's good for the economy.

00:09:55.900 And it's something we're looking forward to implementing.

00:09:58.320 Really?

00:09:59.500 Now, Southwest Airlines president, president of the airline, says he doesn't want to force the jab on his staff.

00:10:06.660 He really, really doesn't.

00:10:08.200 But look, it's not his choice.

00:10:11.540 It's all Joe Biden's fault.

00:10:14.340 It does sound plausible.

00:10:16.320 But is it true?

00:10:17.280 Here, take a listen.

00:10:17.880 There was a lawsuit that was filed to Southwest Airlines Pilots Association.

00:10:23.900 It's in the Northern District of Texas.

00:10:26.280 And what disturbed me about it earlier this year is they say that basically you're using illegal tactics are a form of asymmetrical warfare negotiations.

00:10:35.840 Gary, Gary, you know when you read this and then you read about the Texas governor says, listen, we can't we're going to be against mandates.

00:10:41.800 I see, well, wait a second, maybe vaccines are an issue, maybe labor problems of which Southwest here is not as terribly had.

00:10:49.340 So you understand how we quickly just pivot from Florida and FAA to wondering what happened here with the pilots.

00:10:57.720 Well, yeah, again, I think that we're uniquely affected because we have so many of our flights that touch Florida.

00:11:07.780 All the airlines were impacted on Friday.

00:11:10.100 It was just more of an impact on us and it just took us longer to recover.

00:11:13.740 But all of our employees worked very hard through the weekend and it's it's tough on our customers, but it's also tough on our people.

00:11:22.060 So they did a phenomenal job.

00:11:24.520 There's absolutely no no issue in working with our employees talking about the vaccine mandate.

00:11:32.780 Oh, yeah.

00:11:33.320 I mean, there are some that have very strong views on both sides of that issue.

00:11:37.680 And, you know, it's not as I think you probably know, I've never been in favor of corporations imposing that kind of a mandate.

00:11:47.660 I'm not in favor of that.

00:11:49.100 Never have been.

00:11:49.820 But the executive order from President Biden mandates that all federal employees and then all federal contractors,

00:11:58.100 which covers all the major airlines, have to have a mandate and a vaccine in place by December the 8th.

00:12:05.640 So we're working through that.

00:12:07.500 We're urging all of our employees to get vaccinated.

00:12:10.460 If they can't, we're urging them to seek an accommodation, either for medical or religious reasons.

00:12:15.820 And my goal, obviously, is that no one loses their job.

00:12:21.160 The objective here, obviously, is to improve health and safety, not for people to lose their jobs.

00:12:27.100 So, yes, we have some very strong views on that topic.

00:12:32.380 But that that's not what was at issue with Southwest over the weekend.

00:12:39.260 Well, I'm not an American.

00:12:40.680 I'm not an expert in American laws and federalism, but I can Google a bit.

00:12:45.880 So I went to the White House website and I found this executive order on requiring coronavirus disease 2019 vaccination for federal employees.

00:12:54.800 I'm going to read two paragraphs, a little bit of legalese, but bear with me.

00:12:58.420 And then I'll read the next section.

00:13:28.420 Section 3, definitions.

00:13:30.760 For the purposes of this order, the term agency means an executive agency is defined in U.S. Code 105, excluding the Government Accountability Office.

00:13:40.680 The term employee means an employee is defined in this section, including an employee paid from American funds.

00:13:48.800 So blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:13:51.180 It doesn't apply to airlines.

00:13:53.100 That's not a government agency.

00:13:54.380 What we're facing, what we're seeing here are pilots and others at Southwest Airlines standing up to their company, paralyzing it.

00:14:03.060 This is a good old-fashioned labor action.

00:14:08.720 Work to rule, as they say.

00:14:10.100 I understand that pilots may not really be allowed to strike under their deal.

00:14:13.880 Makes sense.

00:14:15.740 But this is about sick days, isn't it?

00:14:18.540 Which I believe, by the way. 0.93

00:14:20.040 They're mentally sick, stressed about getting the forced jab. 0.99

00:14:22.740 Maybe they're sick from the jab. 1.00

00:14:24.400 I don't know.

00:14:25.080 But isn't this exactly what unions were built for?

00:14:27.980 I'm for the unions now.

00:14:29.660 I didn't know I would be saying this.

00:14:31.780 But here we are in 2020.

00:14:32.980 I am for the occupational health and safety of Southwest Airlines workers.

00:14:37.460 And the left isn't.

00:14:41.260 I think we have a rebellion on our hands.

00:14:43.380 And it's enough to bring a mighty airline to its knees.

00:14:46.340 And I wonder if it'll spread to other airlines, too.

00:14:50.860 Tell you one thing.

00:14:52.540 I sure hope this spreads to Air Canada and WestJap.

00:14:56.440 Stay with us more ahead.

00:15:02.980 Do you agree that you put some posts on Facebook?

00:15:11.940 Does this look familiar?

00:15:12.640 This is illegal as.

00:15:15.140 Yep.

00:15:15.740 Did you put this on Facebook?

00:15:16.880 Yep.

00:15:17.340 So the question that's been raised is, were you there?

00:15:20.380 Bob.

00:15:21.380 No problem.

00:15:22.320 Yeah.

00:15:24.380 Is that you?

00:15:25.280 Well.

00:15:26.420 Were you there?

00:15:27.200 Well, it doesn't matter.

00:15:28.280 You're handing me paperwork saying I've sent a photo.

00:15:30.460 I'm not handing you anything.

00:15:31.180 I'm asking a question.

00:15:31.880 Well, you've got the photo, don't you?

00:15:34.080 That doesn't, you've put a photo on Facebook, doesn't actually confirm whether you were there

00:15:38.460 or not.

00:15:38.840 So I'm asking you where you're there.

00:15:39.760 So if I say no, you're not going to give me the paperwork?

00:15:41.540 Are you going to go home, are you?

00:15:42.220 There's no paperwork here to give you.

00:15:43.400 This is my information.

00:15:43.840 So what are we here for?

00:15:45.260 Are you here to serve me?

00:15:46.240 Okay, what part didn't go?

00:15:47.600 No.

00:15:48.220 It's intimidation.

00:15:48.680 Yeah, I know.

00:15:49.140 It's here.

00:15:51.000 It's pretty laughable. 0.98

00:15:51.960 It's loserish. 0.95

00:15:52.920 It is like sad. 0.77

00:15:53.860 I'm doing it.

00:15:54.240 What is this humanity?

00:15:55.120 Where are we going in life?

00:15:56.880 You've got the cops coming around here to tell me that I've been in a protest six months ago.

00:16:01.880 To ask you if you have been. 1.00

00:16:03.480 Who the fuck? 1.00

00:16:04.640 How illegal is that? 1.00

00:16:06.440 Which part?

00:16:07.460 Going to a protest.

00:16:09.020 Why are you guys here?

00:16:10.040 Why is the police on my doorstep about a protest?

00:16:13.280 Yeah.

00:16:13.860 Because it's illegal. 0.98

00:16:14.920 Black Lives Matter protests are fucking two weeks before that. 0.99

00:16:18.300 Yeah. 0.98

00:16:18.780 Yeah, was that illegal?

00:16:19.560 Are you knocking on their doors?

00:16:21.060 Maybe.

00:16:21.540 No, you're not.

00:16:22.340 You're not.

00:16:23.060 It's clearly so inventive.

00:16:25.720 Why are you working for this corrupt government?

00:16:27.920 What are you guys doing?

00:16:29.700 Who are you serving?

00:16:30.920 Are you serving us?

00:16:32.120 Or are you serving the corrupt government and health officials?

00:16:35.000 They want no good for you.

00:16:36.320 They're not there for you.

00:16:37.540 Were you there?

00:16:38.840 What?

00:16:39.400 Were you there?

00:16:39.980 You can answer my question, can't you?

00:16:41.860 No, we can't answer your question.

00:16:42.700 Well, I won't answer that.

00:16:44.180 Okay.

00:16:44.560 I'll just no comment in.

00:16:45.580 All right.

00:16:46.360 Like, what are we here for?

00:16:48.400 Well, what part of when I... 0.99

00:16:49.440 What the fuck do you want from me? 0.98

00:16:51.300 What did you understand when I first told you why we're here? 1.00

00:16:54.480 Well, you're asking me if I'm in a protest six months ago.

00:16:56.880 Yes.

00:16:57.320 I don't recall.

00:16:58.360 I do not recall.

00:16:59.500 We've been asked...

00:17:00.160 I don't recall.

00:17:00.820 I'm sorry.

00:17:01.500 Because of crimes...

00:17:02.500 I don't recall.

00:17:04.320 I don't recall.

00:17:05.380 Well, then we'll end the conversation.

00:17:06.440 Unless you want to say anything else.

00:17:07.460 Go ask Andrews.

00:17:08.660 What's your reason for breaching the two directions?

00:17:10.680 What are you talking about?

00:17:12.480 I don't recall any health directions, mate. 1.00

00:17:14.780 I don't watch that bullshit on the TV. 0.99

00:17:16.180 There you have it. 1.00

00:17:18.200 Police in Australia.

00:17:19.500 There were a few swears spoken there.

00:17:22.860 You know, I would find it very hard to swear that rarely.

00:17:27.080 If in the dead of night, dark out, masked police with firearms in their holsters came onto my front doorstep and asked me about my private Facebook post, my photos that I had uploaded at a peaceful protest months earlier, I think it would have been a full-time job for me not to swear.

00:17:52.220 And although I'm Jewish myself and I don't believe in the profaning of the Holocaust, the trivialization of the Holocaust, I don't believe in lightly calling people Nazis.

00:18:02.040 Because if everything is an act of Nazism, the Nazism no longer means much. 0.61

00:18:08.240 But I have to say, the police we saw there in Australia, and I can tell you that is far from a unique example, increasingly resemble the political brutality that characterized so much of the Nazi regime.

00:18:22.520 Well, one U.S. commentator who has a focus, like a laser, on police brutality and how it has become enabled and supercharged by the pandemic is our next guest, Michael Malice, author of The Anarchist Handbook and host of You're Welcome, a podcast on the Gas Digital Network.

00:18:43.560 You can find it anywhere podcasts will be found.

00:18:45.900 Michael Malice, thank you so much for joining us today.

00:18:48.060 Nice to meet you.

00:18:49.360 Thank you so much, Ezra.

00:18:50.120 You know, I see your clips pop up here and there, and you take a very hard line on police, and I'll be honest with you.

00:18:57.620 At first, I thought, no, you're going too far.

00:19:00.580 You almost take a broad brush.

00:19:03.360 You do take a broad brush to police.

00:19:05.740 And I would call you anti-police, and I will be candid.

00:19:10.860 For the first 20 times I saw your clips, I thought, too much, too far.

00:19:14.520 But it's harder and harder for me to cling to that when I see things like we just showed.

00:19:20.640 How can you, how can police stay pro-police when they do and are forced to do and are happily do things like we just saw?

00:19:29.560 They're not forced to do anything.

00:19:31.240 How much money would Justin Trudeau have to pay you to knock on your neighbor's door and ask them where they were six months ago?

00:19:37.840 How much money would Aaron O'Toole have to pay you to have a job where people snitch on their neighbors because they were in a protest,

00:19:47.600 and it's your role in the middle of the night to show up and knock on their door with a gun in your pocket?

00:19:52.140 This has nothing to do with police corruption.

00:19:54.460 This is the nature of policing in itself.

00:19:57.100 Conservatives historically have backed the blue.

00:19:59.080 The blue does not back you.

00:20:00.580 They back the state, and that is their only interest.

00:20:03.400 And if you look, I'm going to get even more a little vulgar here.

00:20:07.560 I'm not going to curse.

00:20:08.700 But if you look at the affect of those two, there's no mind there.

00:20:12.140 These aren't sophisticated people.

00:20:13.660 People think in movies the cops are like in the movies or TV shows.

00:20:16.180 There's no one home when they're talking to this guy.

00:20:19.240 They're just staring there blankly, repeating questions like a robot.

00:20:22.740 So that is why so many people have correctly increasingly felt an enormous amount of contempt for the police around the world.

00:20:29.980 Well, this is a difficult issue for me because I am in that category that you described.

00:20:34.140 I am someone who, for the vast majority of my 49 years, would call myself not just pro-police but wildly pro-police,

00:20:42.200 almost unquestionably, almost, you know, they say a fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

00:20:52.320 I was almost unpersuadably pro-police, like almost no fact situation would make me move.

00:21:00.400 But here I am 19 months into the pandemic and I have moved.

00:21:04.080 And here's my worry, Michael, is at first this kind of policing probably felt uncomfortable to a number of cops.

00:21:12.420 Like, I mean, come on, going to a guy's house at midnight, asking about a Facebook post.

00:21:16.920 That's got to be weird for anybody.

00:21:18.540 But here we are 19 months later and here's what I think happened.

00:21:21.720 I'd love your thoughts on this.

00:21:23.420 Any cops who found this uncomfortable have either left the force, been reassigned either by their own choosing or by a boss who sees they're hesitant,

00:21:33.300 or they've just become accustomed to it.

00:21:35.340 They're numb to it now.

00:21:36.920 And this is the new normal.

00:21:39.000 In fact, I put it to you, there are cops that positively love this, that are having the time of their lives,

00:21:45.360 and that this is what they always dreamed of, and that the same people who would have volunteered to be brown shirts in the 30s.

00:21:55.800 This is their hour.

00:21:57.340 So I think things are worse than ever because the good cops have been weeded out or weeded themselves out

00:22:02.460 and we're left with the bad cops or the cops who are numb.

00:22:05.180 That's what I think.

00:22:05.860 It's not worse than ever because Woodrow Wilson's error was worse, but it's getting there.

00:22:10.140 So I'm also Jewish, but I would point out there is no law so obscene that the police would not be willing to enforce it,

00:22:16.520 up to and including the execution of innocent children.

00:22:19.300 There's been no pushback whatsoever on these things from the police.

00:22:22.840 Very few of them have quit.

00:22:23.780 And even regardless of COVID, there's all sorts of situations where the police have been enforcing restrictions on freedom,

00:22:30.240 starting in America from Second Amendment rights all through First Amendment rights in terms of the right to peacefully assemble.

00:22:36.040 It is certainly, and I agree with your point, I'm glad you came around to my perspective,

00:22:40.540 it very clearly attracts a certain kind of mindset.

00:22:43.580 People who are low status and having that badge gives them position,

00:22:47.260 a sense of status and a sense of power over other people.

00:22:49.840 If you watch, if it was the 80s, I would have sounded like a crazy person.

00:22:54.880 But now that there's infinite videos on places like YouTube where you can see how police act,

00:22:59.040 if they're the slightest bit challenged, many of them are very professional, many of them are very calm, absolutely.

00:23:04.220 But a huge number of them know that they can get away with literal murder and feel empowered to be nasty and aggressive.

00:23:12.340 And when you combine that with a very low level of intellect, it becomes a very dangerous situation.

00:23:16.560 And the alternative would be to have market forces in policing, just as we need market forces in health care,

00:23:22.400 market forces in education, and market forces with the production of food.

00:23:26.580 Well, that's a very libertarian answer.

00:23:28.960 I think that, you know, market forces-

00:23:33.640 Hold on, let me say something.

00:23:34.640 Any government monopoly, as you know, being a conservative, leads to inefficiencies, leads to death,

00:23:40.580 and leads to no accountability on the force of the government monopoly.

00:23:44.700 Security is a service like any other, and there's no reason for there to be a government monopoly on its services.

00:23:51.900 And let me just say one more thing you brought up, talking about the Holocaust.

00:23:55.320 Growing up, you and I and many other people, we asked ourselves, how did this happen?

00:24:00.260 How did Hitler get the German people all to go along with this? 0.89

00:24:03.820 They weren't all anti-Semites.

00:24:04.940 They weren't all pro-authoritarian in the 20s.

00:24:06.880 And all overnight, it seemed.

00:24:08.760 And you see what happens.

00:24:10.040 Things like COVID get to decentralize authoritarianism.

00:24:13.560 It gets low-status people who have nothing to show for it, a sense of power over their fellow man.

00:24:20.320 It creates an out-group.

00:24:21.800 And now they feel like they're the good guys when they call the authorities to turn in their fellow countrymen.

00:24:28.220 That is the aspect that is very similar to the buildup in the 30s of the Nazi regime.

00:24:34.480 Yeah, you know, I mean, Canadian provinces have different nicknames.

00:24:37.040 Because Manitoba's license plate, believe it or not, is Friendly Manitoba.

00:24:41.960 I'll show you a video in a moment of Friendly Manitoba arresting a politician.

00:24:47.920 Saskatchewan, it's not officially its nickname.

00:24:51.280 But when I go there, the word neighborly, just I can't get that word out of my head.

00:24:55.880 They're so neighborly.

00:24:57.380 They're so communal in the best sense.

00:24:59.800 And yet, here I see the government of Saskatchewan having a special website to encourage you to snitch on friends, neighbors, and your own family.

00:25:11.580 That is exactly what the KGB and the NKVD did. 0.58

00:25:16.500 Snitch against your own family.

00:25:18.820 But let me show you one thing.

00:25:19.800 We're talking about the Holocaust. 0.77

00:25:21.140 And they focused on Jews most acutely.

00:25:24.080 Let me show you police taking on a Christian church here in Canada.

00:25:32.400 This is on the East Coast.

00:25:33.520 Take a look at this.

00:25:34.940 You were not Philip James Hutchings.

00:25:36.400 What's your badge number?

00:25:37.760 7188.

00:25:38.600 And your name?

00:25:39.240 Leanne Sirrebecker.

00:25:42.340 Well, you can read this.

00:25:44.140 Our legal counsel is on the way.

00:25:45.440 Okay, so under Section 13 of the Emergency Measures Act.

00:25:48.340 Did you say that you were going to go find Mr. Hutchings?

00:25:51.040 Pardon?

00:25:51.200 If you would like to come outside, I'm more than half of the speakers from outside.

00:25:56.320 Leap and flex your muscles.

00:26:03.600 Oh, my God.

00:26:07.120 Um, can you guys just broke the law?

00:26:09.840 Yep.

00:26:10.280 Wow.

00:26:11.900 Wow.

00:26:14.460 Violet.

00:26:15.220 She's already violated. 0.74

00:26:16.880 And so.

00:26:19.280 Great. 1.00

00:26:20.100 Shut up. 1.00

00:26:21.200 Thank you. 1.00

00:26:22.060 You're a hero.

00:26:23.720 You're a hero.

00:26:25.160 Thanks, officers.

00:26:26.920 Thanks, officers.

00:26:35.040 We'll have more on that story elsewhere on the rebel.

00:26:37.320 I believe we're actually supporting the lawyers in that case, as we are other pastors who've

00:26:42.440 been arrested in Alberta in particular.

00:26:44.640 Pastor Arthur Pavlovsky returns to court tomorrow, actually.

00:26:49.380 Um, and has, I think it's tomorrow, he is facing 21 days in prison, not for opening his church

00:26:58.720 for 70 minutes during the lockdown, but because he won't apologize for it.

00:27:03.780 They're holding him in contempt.

00:27:05.420 They're saying, if you apologize for opening your church, you're free to go.

00:27:09.700 If you bend the knee, if you break yourself, yes, morally, emotionally, if you don't, then

00:27:16.380 we will put you in jail for 21 days.

00:27:18.040 Let me emphasize that because he won't apologize to the government.

00:27:22.620 Um, why are they focused on Christian churches, Michael?

00:27:27.280 Well, I think first of all, uh, it's going to be politically correct to attack Christian 0.97

00:27:30.740 churches as opposed to shutting down of mosques.

00:27:32.620 Then you'd have the identity politics issue that comes as an aside.

00:27:35.600 Second, I think they understand that people who are, uh, peaceful and going to a place

00:27:40.120 of worship aren't going to fight back.

00:27:41.460 Uh, if they were trying to shut down like a music festival, for example, there'd be far

00:27:44.900 big or a bar or gym, there'd be far more of a chance of a pushback or people be less

00:27:49.480 respectful, but people who are, go to church tend to historically have good morals to be

00:27:54.980 good members of their community and are going to be respectful toward authority.

00:27:58.100 So it's a very useful technique in terms of propaganda for them to make examples of these

00:28:02.320 people because there's a very little risk that anything bad is going to happen to them

00:28:05.920 as a consequence.

00:28:06.680 It is absolutely cynical.

00:28:07.840 And it, these people are, are beyond contempt of the police who are enforcing these orders,

00:28:12.220 as well as the politicians who are putting them into practice.

00:28:14.480 As you pointed out, uh, it's all about submission.

00:28:17.020 They want you dead, but they'll settle for your submission.

00:28:18.940 This is all about getting a population under the thumb of the state, which in the last few

00:28:24.480 years, especially in America, they've lost control of the microphone and they don't know

00:28:27.900 what to do about it.

00:28:29.400 Here in Canada, uh, we have a uniformity that I've never seen in my life or read about historically.

00:28:35.700 What I mean by that is the federal government and all the provincial and territorial governments

00:28:40.280 and all of their respective opposition parties.

00:28:44.600 So, uh, if this were America, I'd say every state, both blue state and red state, every

00:28:51.200 minority and every majority, they are unanimous.

00:28:54.560 Every institution in Canada, the media party, pop culture, the academia, um, professional

00:29:02.720 sports, um, like every single power center, there is no one of authority with institutional

00:29:10.360 power who is against this.

00:29:11.600 Not one.

00:29:12.140 Like at least in America, you have islands like Texas and Florida and maybe South Dakota

00:29:17.220 and some others.

00:29:17.840 Here in Canada, it's unanimous, but there is one politician.

00:29:21.320 He only got 5% in the last election.

00:29:23.780 Um, his name is Maxine Bernier.

00:29:25.320 I know you've interviewed him before.

00:29:26.860 Yeah.

00:29:27.060 I want to show you him in friendly Manitoba.

00:29:30.660 And what's so incredible about this is he was on the campaign hustings, but the so-called

00:29:36.940 conservative premier of Manitoba told him not to come to the province as if it's a private

00:29:43.240 fief to me.

00:29:43.780 Maxine Bernier came anyways, and police were effectively instructed to run an errand for

00:29:50.120 the premier.

00:29:50.560 Take a look.

00:29:51.720 No.

00:29:52.180 Yeah.

00:29:58.420 Right now, you're under arrest under the, uh, provincial health orders.

00:30:01.620 Okay, so if you can just put your hands behind your back, face towards the vehicle.

00:30:05.800 Okay, give me one hand here.

00:30:07.580 I'll guess you should send it here.

00:30:08.500 Okay.

00:30:09.040 Thank you.

00:30:10.880 The other hand.

00:30:11.460 Do you have any weapons or anything on you, sir?

00:30:14.720 Weapon?

00:30:15.220 No, no weapon.

00:30:16.060 Only my words.

00:30:17.320 Anything on you that's going to hurt me or anything like that?

00:30:18.560 Sorry?

00:30:19.100 Anything on you that's going to hurt me or anything like that?

00:30:20.840 No, no, anything will hurt you.

00:30:22.340 Only my words.

00:30:23.160 Only my philosophy.

00:30:24.320 Only what I believe in.

00:30:25.420 Okay.

00:30:26.080 All right.

00:30:26.360 Come on over this way.

00:30:27.680 I'll explain a few things to you here right away.

00:30:29.300 That's Maxime Bernier.

00:30:32.860 He was actually taken to jail.

00:30:34.540 And he told me that the police were instructed to follow him around while he was in the province and that the police told him if he knew what was best for him, he'd get on an airplane.

00:30:45.640 And I have to tell you, if that arrest video was smuggled out of Russia and that was a critic of Vladimir Putin or smuggled out of China and that was a democracy activist or Turkey or Iran or any place like that,

00:31:01.840 that we would be squawking Amnesty International, there would be the United Nations perhaps resolution or debate about him.

00:31:11.240 But no, it's in friendly Manitoba.

00:31:13.940 And not only was there no pushback, if there was any comment from the media party, it was in total support.

00:31:22.780 How did that happen to us so quickly, Michael?

00:31:26.000 Well, here's the thing.

00:31:27.000 In America, there was much hand-wringing among the corporate press that at Trump rallies, the audience would chant, lock her up, referencing Hillary.

00:31:32.820 And, oh, my God, this is awful.

00:31:34.520 You know, we're descending to authoritarianism.

00:31:36.340 And when someone actually is locked up by the state in Canada, no one seems to have an issue with it.

00:31:41.500 Now, I'm a little torn about the situation.

00:31:43.060 I like Maxime Bernier, as you said.

00:31:44.840 I've had him on my show.

00:31:46.240 I am in favor of arresting politicians en masse.

00:31:48.940 They think they should all be in prison.

00:31:50.020 On the other hand, I'm not a big supporter of the cops, so I'm kind of torn on this particular situation.

00:31:54.100 But you can see how the personality type it would take for you to put your hands on an innocent man who was running for office and who gave a talk advocating his views, which is the basis of democracy, shows that the police are there to enforce.

00:32:12.580 This is a hardcore leftist argument historically.

00:32:15.040 But the police are there to enforce the power structure and to do the edicts of the elite.

00:32:18.960 They are not there to protect freedom, and they have no interest in protecting the common man.

00:32:22.320 They're just there to protect those who are in power.

00:32:25.480 Yeah.

00:32:26.100 You know, when every single repeater of the narrative is in unanimity, it takes an enormous amount of personal courage and reflection to decide to be a dissident.

00:32:41.020 Because it's not like there are countervailing forces.

00:32:44.100 I mean, I did a video on this the other day when I was a child and I learned about the Holocaust.

00:32:49.320 All I could think about is how could they not run away?

00:32:53.200 How did they not see what was coming?

00:32:54.400 And that's because we have hindsight now.

00:32:56.000 We knew how it ended.

00:32:58.320 But I don't know.

00:32:59.420 I just I find this deeply depressing.

00:33:01.060 And I see now how the 30s in Germany could have absolutely happened. 0.81

00:33:05.920 I think this is deeply encouraging.

00:33:08.760 Because the thing with the Holocaust in the 30s, and there's a book called Beyond Belief, which was an excellent book, people in the West didn't believe it was happening because they didn't have video evidence.

00:33:17.800 They didn't have pictures.

00:33:18.560 They're like, surely this isn't really happening.

00:33:20.760 And again, if this was 20 years ago and you were told that they're pulling people out of church to arrest them, you and I would have both thought, OK, there must have been a fight.

00:33:29.060 Something must have happened.

00:33:29.920 They're not just going to go to church where people are innocently praying and pulling them out.

00:33:33.980 And, yes, that's exactly what's happening case after case.

00:33:36.620 So the fact that we have video evidence and it's showing to people like you who, as you said yourself, have been fanatically back the blue in the past, now is in a position to show people the truth because social media is a great way to have an end run around corporate media who would like to construct a narrative.

00:33:53.560 And now they don't have that ability because they have no longer have a monopoly on the flow of information.

00:33:57.480 This is a healthy development in terms of getting people to open their eyes or at least face the consequences of what they're advocating.

00:34:05.640 We're talking with Michael Malice.

00:34:07.340 He's the host of a podcast called You're Welcome on the Gas Digital Network.

00:34:11.160 He also has a book.

00:34:12.260 It will not shock you to know that the book's title is The Anarchist Handbook.

00:34:17.440 Michael, I want to show one more video and be very generous with your time.

00:34:20.860 This is, I think it's a flicker of hope.

00:34:23.740 It's from Australia, from the most abusive state in that country called Victoria. 0.88

00:34:29.640 That's where our star reporter down there, Avi Yamini, has come face to face with the police so many times.

00:34:35.200 Our viewers know we're suing the Victoria police on behalf of Avi because they've arrested him, attacked him, his security, I think at least five times now.

00:34:44.860 And we just couldn't stand for that.

00:34:46.260 So we're suing them.

00:34:46.920 They're slightly better behaved because of it.

00:34:49.420 Here's one police officer who just said she couldn't do it anymore.

00:34:53.380 Take a look.

00:34:54.500 The consequences of me being here today is that I will be resigning from Victoria police, effectively, at the end of this interview.

00:35:02.560 Wow.

00:35:02.960 Because the consequences of me coming out publicly would be dismissal.

00:35:07.800 So I'm choosing to quit and I'm quitting because I can't remedy in my soul anymore the way in which my organisation that I love to work for is being used and the damage that it's causing in the reputation of Victoria police and the damage that it's causing to the community.

00:35:28.720 My partner and I were out walking during our two hours of exercise on the weekend and there were police everywhere.

00:35:36.560 I live in the city.

00:35:37.340 And there was just there was just there was just police everywhere, you know, doing their reassurance patrols, which they're not reassurance patrols.

00:35:46.360 You're not reassuring anybody in the community.

00:35:48.080 You're scaring people in the community that there's that many police out in the city, you know, trying to stop mass gatherings or what have you.

00:35:57.520 And the police don't want to look you in the eye.

00:36:01.640 You don't want to look the police in the eye.

00:36:03.600 There's this air of uncomfortability about it all.

00:36:06.160 All of my friends that are police officers that are working the front line and are suffering every day enforcing CHO directions that the vast majority or certainly a great majority don't believe in and don't want to enforce.

00:36:23.400 Just FYI, CHO stands for chief health officer.

00:36:26.200 A couple of funny things, reassurance patrols, that's straight out of Orwell.

00:36:30.580 We're no, I'm sorry, ma'am.

00:36:32.160 We're the reassurance patrol.

00:36:34.200 Everything's OK.

00:36:35.200 Here to reassure you.

00:36:36.800 You know, she said something that gave me a flicker of hope that, you know, where when you when you can't meet someone's eyes, she said that neither the public nor the cops could meet each other's gaze.

00:36:47.840 That's a sign like there's a reason that that's a tell because for dishonesty or because people are uncomfortable with something.

00:36:57.720 If you're nervous, if you're hiding something, if you know you're doing something wrong, you can't make eye contact.

00:37:02.800 I don't know.

00:37:03.100 It's just something ingrained in our wiring.

00:37:06.120 I'm not so sure that the cops can't make eye contact, maybe conscientious cops like that sergeant herself. 1.00

00:37:16.420 But I've seen too many cops who will look you right in the eye as they pepper spray you, as they did a 70 year old woman lying on the ground, as they trip you, as they punch you.

00:37:26.800 So I think that it was very brave of her to say what she said.

00:37:30.740 But I don't think she's right.

00:37:32.180 I think a great number of cops, at least the ones that I've seen on little video clips, are relishing it.

00:37:39.460 They'll look you in the eye as they beat you with a baton.

00:37:41.860 And I say this with a deep sorrow.

00:37:44.620 Last word to you, Michael.

00:37:45.580 What do you think?

00:37:46.820 If there were any good cops, there wouldn't be any bad cops because the bad cops would be arrested.

00:37:50.560 All those people that you were referring to, their pepper spraying that old lady, their fellow officers just standing there smiling.

00:37:56.700 So it's a complete systemic issue.

00:37:58.460 And you have to sacrifice your soul in order to be a police officer.

00:38:01.920 And that's why these people have no conscience and must be treated with contempt, because the cost of being a police officer must outweigh the benefits.

00:38:08.660 And that's when you get people to quit.

00:38:09.920 And that's when you get structural change.

00:38:11.920 Well, that's a very hard line position.

00:38:13.740 And I don't think I'll walk with you all the way there.

00:38:16.360 But I have to acknowledge.

00:38:17.300 Give it six months.

00:38:18.360 Give it six months.

00:38:19.140 Well, I have to acknowledge that I started out this pandemic as very pro-policing.

00:38:23.240 I could see the wokeness creeping in to policing. 0.99

00:38:27.420 But woke is one thing.

00:38:29.880 But pepper spraying people, smashing them, arresting them, arresting politicians, arresting journalists, arresting Christian pastors.

00:38:39.980 Not that those people are morally any more valuable than any other citizen.

00:38:43.640 And I find these deeply troubling times.

00:38:46.100 And I appreciate your point of view.

00:38:48.540 And I don't go all the way with you, Michael Malice.

00:38:51.040 But you have been ferocious in calling out police brutality and uncompromising in your views.

00:38:58.780 And it's a very interesting point of view.

00:39:00.320 And I appreciate you taking the time with us today.

00:39:02.520 Great pleasure, Esther.

00:39:03.180 Thank you so much.

00:39:03.740 And good luck to you and all your fellow Canadians.

00:39:05.420 You need it.

00:39:06.180 Thanks.

00:39:06.560 We sure do.

00:39:07.200 Well, there you have it.

00:39:07.820 Michael Malice is his name.

00:39:09.400 He's the host of You're Welcome on the Gas Digital Network.

00:39:12.820 He joined us via Skype from Austin, Texas, one of the free states in America.

00:39:18.420 And it won't surprise you, as I mentioned before, that his book is called The Anarchist Handbook.

00:39:23.840 What do you think?

00:39:24.660 Send me an email to Ezra at rebelnews.com.

00:39:27.200 Stay with us more ahead.

00:39:28.000 Hey, welcome back.

00:39:41.740 Well, yesterday we had highlights from our Australian coverage.

00:39:44.520 We're doing so well in Australia because we have great talent down there and great viewers.

00:39:49.020 But also the world is most terrible there.

00:39:51.800 And we're one of the few media outlets showing it.

00:39:54.060 Your letters in response, Sam Freeman says, if it wasn't for true journalists like Rebel

00:39:58.600 News, we'd have all been misinformed by the corrupt fake news media.

00:40:02.900 Huge thanks to Avi Amini.

00:40:04.300 Keep up the great work, you little Aussie ripper. 0.99

00:40:06.960 They have so many phrases.

00:40:08.740 They've got a great phrase down there as Aussie battler.

00:40:12.020 I think battler is a word we should adopt up here in Canada, too.

00:40:15.720 I'm joking around.

00:40:16.680 Avi is a great ripper.

00:40:18.120 I don't know what that means.

00:40:19.140 He is a great battler.

00:40:20.200 I do know what that means.

00:40:21.320 And we are growing our team down there, too.

00:40:24.060 And I think it's great.

00:40:26.420 Jeff says, just more evidence.

00:40:28.340 We need a Bill of Rights in Australia.

00:40:30.320 The First Amendment provides several rights protections to express ideas through speech

00:40:34.340 in the press, to assemble or gather for a group to protest or for other reasons, and

00:40:38.600 to ask the government to fix problems.

00:40:41.420 Yeah, but you know, as we're discovering here in Canada, you also need a culture.

00:40:45.300 You need judges and lawyers who will express freedom through the Constitution.

00:40:50.120 We have freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of association, freedom of mobility

00:40:54.020 in our Constitution in Canada, too.

00:40:57.040 In fact, if you look at the old Soviet Union, they had a Constitution that on paper had beautiful

00:41:03.580 words.

00:41:04.020 I'm sure Cuba and North Korea have the same.

00:41:07.320 Do you have a culture that values freedom and that will interpret cases in the most free

00:41:12.180 way?

00:41:12.580 Hey, I really fear we're losing that here in Canada.

00:41:15.720 My God, Australia is out of control.

00:41:18.520 Well, that's our show for today.

00:41:20.340 And as you know, we have this new tradition of showing you videos from elsewhere on the

00:41:25.360 website that you might not have come across.

00:41:27.200 And I'd like to show you a large video, a mini documentary that we have put together about

00:41:34.000 Pastor Arthur Pawlowski, because I don't know if you know this.

00:41:37.880 He's going back to court tomorrow to face his judgment.

00:41:42.060 Justice Adam Germain, former liberal politician appointed to the bench, will weigh and measure

00:41:48.580 Arthur Pawlowski.

00:41:49.680 The prosecution says, put him in prison for three weeks.

00:41:53.100 Why?

00:41:53.980 Because he won't apologize to the government for opening his church for 70 minutes during

00:42:00.520 the lockdown.

00:42:01.040 That's all it was, 70 minutes of defiance.

00:42:03.260 And they found him in contempt.

00:42:04.720 And now the government says, throw him away for three weeks because he won't say sorry.

00:42:09.360 So that's coming tomorrow.

00:42:10.700 We'll have live coverage of that.

00:42:13.460 Me and Sheila Gunn-Reed will be on TV.

00:42:15.940 Adam Sosa and our other Calgary teammates will be on the scene.

00:42:19.060 So that'll happen live tomorrow.

00:42:20.820 But for now, here's our video of the day, the mini documentary on Arthur Pawlowski.

00:42:26.480 I'll say goodbye to you now, but stick around to watch that on behalf of all of us here

00:42:30.020 at Rebel World Headquarters to you at home.

00:42:32.180 Good night and keep fighting for freedom.

00:42:36.580 Immediately, Gestapo is not allowed.

00:42:40.440 The police had to send an officer to a church this Easter weekend where the leader of the

00:42:44.680 gathering reportedly shouted at the health inspector.

00:42:47.440 We're being destroyed.

00:42:56.640 People are being destroyed and they're seeking help.

00:42:59.780 They're coming to a place where they think that there is some answers.

00:43:03.400 And we're shutting it down and arresting people for simply being humans, trying to do hell.

00:43:24.700 And our government right now is with Satan.

00:43:35.020 Our government has given their soul to the demons, to Satan.

00:43:41.280 For a bowl of soup, for comfort.

00:43:43.080 I don't know what they're doing.

00:43:44.040 I have a choice.

00:44:05.080 I can say, okay, take them, or I can resist.

00:44:10.280 I've chosen to resist.

00:44:11.820 I've received confirmation that after leaving worship today, Pastor Arthur Pawlowski was pulled

00:44:16.700 over on his way home and arrested.

00:44:18.660 A pastor in Alberta for the second time has been arrested simply for preaching.

00:44:23.200 No, I do not, you style.

00:44:24.840 No, I do not.

00:44:26.100 Don't taser me. 1.00

00:44:27.140 Kill me. 1.00

00:44:27.520 That's unacceptable. 1.00

00:44:33.460 That's unacceptable.

00:44:34.460 That's unacceptable on any standard.

00:44:35.940 And I always say to people, you don't have to like me.

00:44:38.360 Just look what is going on.

00:44:40.120 They dragged me.

00:44:41.200 They put me like a piece of meat behind a police vehicle.

00:44:45.120 And I don't think they've done it legally.

00:44:47.900 I think this was unlawful arrest.

00:44:49.860 We had never a chance to examine the court order.

00:44:54.160 Look what's going on.

00:44:55.200 Open your eyes, open your ears, and see what's really going on here.

00:45:01.900 Someone sent our property on fire. 0.84

00:45:05.020 Someone wants us dead. 0.71

00:45:06.860 And I'm thinking, my God, how evil you have to become.

00:45:10.940 After returning from a long speaking engagement, authorities closed in and took him into custody

00:45:16.200 before he could even say hello to his family.

00:45:19.240 We have footage of that troubling arrest here for you now.

00:45:21.880 No, no, no, no, no.

00:45:25.200 How wicked in your heart that you would send someone to rot in jail for the rest of my life

00:45:35.820 on this side of eternity for feeding the poor and for opening a church.

00:45:41.260 That's not just a job.

00:45:43.440 That's a lifestyle.

00:45:44.480 As a pastor, as a shepherd, I have to be with my people.

00:45:47.620 I have to be with the people that are coming, the people that are trusting me,

00:45:51.440 the people that have been depressed, suicidal, and now their hope is being restored.

00:45:56.520 And they need a leader.

00:45:58.760 They need their shepherds to be with them.

00:46:01.160 That's where I belong.

00:46:01.980 Every pastor belongs with his people.

00:46:07.160 Warning.

00:46:08.480 Censorship.

00:46:09.600 The entire world knows the now infamous steps upon which Pastor Artur Pawlowski was standing

00:46:16.360 when he said, get out, get out.

00:46:18.860 But the story of Pastor Artur Pawlowski and his conflict with Calgary authorities in reality

00:46:24.060 started here when he was given a ticket for daring to feed the homeless.

00:46:27.740 He then became our very first Fight the Fines case.

00:46:32.040 We started this Fight the Fines project back in April.

00:46:35.100 Our first case was a Christian pastor named Arthur Pawlowski who was fined $1,200 for literally

00:46:42.280 feeding the homeless.

00:46:45.120 What kind of cop does that?

00:46:46.500 Don't pay these crazy tickets.

00:46:48.700 Let us hire lawyers for you to handle the tickets, to handle the stress.

00:46:53.380 I predict many of these will be dropped without even a hearing.

00:46:56.100 The legal costs associated with taking a principled stance can be daunting.

00:47:01.580 So we created saveartur.com in order to crowdfund and cover all of Pastor Artur's legal fees.

00:47:08.320 Sarah Miller of JSS Barristers has been fighting tirelessly for Artur at no cost to him.

00:47:14.120 Thanks to your generous donations.

00:47:16.240 That is not the argument that we're having today or this week in court.

00:47:19.960 The argument is whether or not the detention itself and what the police did in affecting

00:47:24.380 that detention, if that was constitutional.

00:47:26.880 And so my submission in court was it wasn't.

00:47:29.640 Since that time, Pastor Artur Pawlowski has been targeted with two dramatic arrests.

00:47:35.340 Once roadside where a crew pulled him from his vehicle and took him into custody.

00:47:39.900 And most recently at the airport when he was taken into custody upon his return to Canada.

00:47:46.260 Ever since Pastor Artur Pawlowski became the centre of a firestorm of international and local attention

00:47:53.820 for his acts of defiance, Rebel News has been there by his side.

00:47:58.380 Following the story, our own intrepid videographer, K2, spent the night in his church.

00:48:03.020 No one has been there by his side like us.

00:48:06.660 And we want you to have an opportunity to look back on his story and get to know the man behind the legend.

00:48:14.040 But we're not going to give more attention to the hyenas.

00:48:18.960 We eat hyenas for breakfast.

00:48:21.600 Because of our unrelenting and committed focus to telling this story like nobody else,

00:48:27.460 we have garnered unique insights into the story of Pastor Artur Pawlowski.

00:48:33.160 And we have come to learn that he is not just a significant figure, but a truly historical one.

00:48:39.020 So now join us as we take a look back at the events that led up to the upcoming court date on October 13th

00:48:45.400 that may see an Alberta pastor sent to prison.

00:48:48.840 I don't care what you have to say.

00:48:51.740 Ouch! 1.00

00:48:53.100 Ouch! 1.00

00:48:54.100 Out of this property, you Nazis! 1.00

00:48:56.940 Ouch! 1.00

00:48:58.080 Ouch! 1.00

00:48:59.680 Gestapo is not allowed here!

00:49:03.420 Well, it's just one word.

00:49:06.000 Corruption and corruption at the highest levels. 0.95

00:49:10.160 This is the hypocrisy of this city. 0.68

00:49:13.260 This is the hypocrisy of our wonderful, fearless leaders. 0.96

00:49:17.600 Where is the head named Xi? 0.90

00:49:19.640 The mayor of this city.

00:49:21.240 Well, as you know, we escaped communism.

00:49:23.220 We came to Canada for one purpose, not for bread.

00:49:27.620 But for freedom.

00:49:28.520 And we were promised that we will get that freedom.

00:49:31.280 That we will not be hunted down like common criminals just because we are Christians.

00:49:35.940 You see, growing up under communists, that's exactly what the communists were doing.

00:49:39.440 The government wanted to be God and anyone that dared to worship a real God, not the government, was hunted down and persecuted.

00:49:46.820 So when we came here, we were promised that this is not going to be a repetition of history.

00:49:52.360 However, you know, and I know, and now millions of people around the world, they all know that there is a repetition of history.

00:49:59.460 Those people who want to be tyrants are stripping our rights away, left and right and subduing us into bowing and worshipping them.

00:50:10.340 And I just simply cannot, cannot do that.

00:50:13.640 If you're watching this video, that means I've also been arrested.

00:50:29.620 So this is Peter Eicher.

00:50:31.780 I was the associate pastor of the Cave of Adullam and lead volunteer for Street Church for a large number of years.

00:50:39.660 I was arrested.

00:50:40.420 You know, I was charged criminally for keeping the church open, for upholding a church service, for being outside, to try and accommodate, you know, our government's restrictions on church as much as possible.

00:50:54.100 And so it's impacted myself and my family greatly.

00:50:59.260 Absolutely.

00:50:59.520 So my name is Marzena Pawlowski and relationship, I'm his wife.

00:51:14.760 It's really very, very hard work behind before we come here.

00:51:19.400 So it's not that I'm complaining.

00:51:22.120 I'm just letting you know.

00:51:23.840 It's not easy.

00:51:25.220 Yes, we were, as a family and me personally, we were affected by my husband, prosecuted by government on so many levels.

00:51:43.360 Rejection by community, by other church members.

00:51:47.860 People, not everybody understand what's going on.

00:51:55.740 People think, some people think still that government is always right.

00:52:00.620 And of course, rejection, rejection, finances.

00:52:07.780 As a family, yes, we were, we were affected greatly.

00:52:11.520 All those years, they thought we, we, we, we dropped from the, from the sky on our heads.

00:52:21.400 But not until recently, since COVID, people start to open their eyes.

00:52:26.060 But unfortunately, I think it's this, this is a little bit too late.

00:52:29.480 Everything has to be, has to have the official OK from the Canadian Communist Party.

00:52:40.160 My name is Nathaniel Pawlowski.

00:52:41.860 I am the son of Arthur Pawlowski.

00:52:44.220 Well, when your dad's being thrown in jail, handcuffed, and treated this way, I mean, it takes a toll, obviously.

00:52:52.500 I want to show and support my fellow freedom fighters, my, and I, and I want to show my discontent to the government of what they're doing and show them how many people are not OK with this.

00:53:06.720 I mean, I should, I should be affected in a more profound way, but I've, I've honestly been, tragically, I've become used to this.

00:53:16.780 Because since 2005, since I was five, six years old, my dad has been treated like this by the government, by the city of Calgary, the government of Alberta, and the government of Canada.

00:53:26.520 He was first arrested for reading the Bible.

00:53:30.120 I mean, I, I kind of grew up experiencing the corruption of the government and the treatment of pastors this way.

00:53:38.280 What they did is they break you.

00:53:45.100 They take everything from you.

00:53:46.880 They take your soul and they want to destroy you.

00:53:49.960 My name is David Pawlowski.

00:53:52.200 I am his brother.

00:53:54.500 Well, the last arrest, it was the seventh one as a Christian. 0.97

00:53:58.720 It was unlawful.

00:54:03.300 The criminals in badges that were ordered to do this broke federal laws of Canada.

00:54:11.720 And all of a sudden, the people that should uphold the law the most, which is the police, the politicians, the judges, the prosecutors, et cetera, et cetera.

00:54:22.380 All of a sudden, they are breaking every federal law in a book and nobody is holding them accountable.

00:54:29.840 So, shame on them.

00:54:31.340 You know, they send a terrorist, anti-terrorist group to arrest two preachers that were coming from their duty of preaching.

00:54:41.860 It's a, it's a beginning of a totalitarian state.

00:54:47.120 The sun is rising in Alberta.

00:54:50.320 This is our time.

00:54:51.700 The start of an exciting recovery for our province, of an Alberta renaissance.

00:54:56.500 And people of faith are returning to their congregations, worshipping and fellowshipping together.

00:55:21.700 Just received confirmation that after leaving worship today, Pastor Archer Pulowski was pulled over on his way home and arrested.

00:55:39.500 A pastor in Alberta for the second time has been arrested simply for preaching.

00:55:43.620 I just got off the line with our videographer, K2, who was on this team.

00:55:57.000 And he told me it was the hardest thing he has ever seen.

00:55:59.340 The family of Pastor Tim Stevens was weeping as he was hauled away in cuffs like some common criminal.

00:56:06.700 Pastor Tim was once again taken into custody.

00:56:09.240 Numerous police vehicles arrived and put him in a car, taking him away from his families.

00:56:14.360 It was an extremely emotional and harrowing ordeal.

00:56:17.680 And we were there to capture it as it happened.

00:56:19.800 I'm going to let you go now to the footage of his arrest.

00:56:22.660 I hope that that is put on a billboard truck and it is driven around every single Jason Kenney campaign event forever.

00:56:46.780 I hope those images hang like a millstone around his neck forever.

00:56:51.820 I wonder if Jason Kenney can hear the shrieking and sobbing of Tim and Raquel's frightened children all the way up there in Sky Palace.

00:57:01.620 And boy, you know, I get it.

00:57:04.800 I get it now.

00:57:05.580 You've got to put down a lot of Jameson to be able to sleep at night when you're the man responsible for what happened.

00:57:12.860 That at some points in that evening, we were not all distanced from one another by two meters.

00:57:18.140 And I truly regret that.

00:57:19.740 I take full responsibility for this.

00:57:21.440 I invited my colleagues there.

00:57:22.700 My plea is to all Canadians, look what is happening to our beloved Canada.

00:57:28.080 Are you OK with this?

00:57:29.400 Are you OK with what they're doing to not just to me now, but to you and your children?

00:57:34.560 And I said that so many times for so many years.

00:57:37.580 They came for me.

00:57:38.700 Be sure of it.

00:57:39.440 They're going to come for you as well.

00:57:41.160 You didn't care maybe about my children at that time.

00:57:43.740 Now they're after your children.

00:57:45.460 Are you OK with that?

00:57:46.280 Because I'm not.

00:57:47.380 I will keep fighting until the day I die.

00:57:49.500 I hope you will join me.

00:57:50.760 And our government right now is with Satan.

00:57:53.880 Our government has given their soul to the demons, to Satan.

00:57:59.100 Amen.

00:58:00.140 For a bowl of soup, for comfort.

00:58:02.240 I don't know what they're doing.

00:58:03.280 But it's not going to be pretty for them.

00:58:07.480 Because in my Bible it says that every man will pay the price. 0.91

00:58:11.620 Every man.

00:58:12.220 It's a repetition of my childhood, behind the iron curtain.

00:58:18.200 I see, we've seen the signs for, since 2005, we've been warning people that we see the signs

00:58:24.460 of how we grew up under the Soviet boot, where you went to school and you had to sing a song 0.66

00:58:33.040 to Stalin, where the prayer was removed, where Christianity was persecuted, where righteous people were prosecuted,

00:58:48.380 where people that were patriots were ground to power.

00:58:53.380 And I see the same repetition here, and it's moving very quick, very quick.

00:59:01.640 You know, I mean, I get it that there's a lot of pressure going on in the world for all kinds of mandates.

00:59:10.440 I think that the Alberta government has let its people down.

00:59:16.220 I think Jason Kenney has backtracked on all the things that he promised he would do, or not do.

00:59:22.140 And so that indicates to me that there's external pressure that's sort of directing the hands of you.

00:59:30.500 Well, you know you've reached a new low when they're throwing pastors in jail.

00:59:35.600 My family escaped a communist country, where they came here to experience freedom,

00:59:43.080 and now they're being treated this way by the government of Alberta.

00:59:47.140 It's just a mess.

00:59:49.580 Everything is upside down.

00:59:51.860 What's supposed to be right, it's right now wrong. 0.95

00:59:54.700 What's supposed to be white, it's black. 1.00

00:59:57.080 So everything is wrong right now.

01:00:00.600 That's as simple as that.

01:00:02.420 Well, let me just say this.

01:00:05.600 Whether or not we're being persecuted makes absolutely no difference to me.

01:00:11.420 I don't think that I could care any less about whether or not this meets the definition of persecution.

01:00:18.300 That doesn't even factor into the equation for me.

01:00:21.220 That's not the basis upon which I'm doing anything.

01:00:24.260 I'm doing what I'm doing in obedience to Christ.

01:00:26.720 I am quite content to let the Lord Jesus Christ himself decide whether or not this is persecution.

01:00:32.260 He promises that those who are persecuted for his namesake will be blessed.

01:00:36.800 He's the one that blesses, and I'm content to leave that in his court.

01:00:40.460 My responsibility is to obey Christ.

01:00:43.160 Correct?

01:00:43.340 You know, you build a wall.

01:00:46.360 You have to, because otherwise you're going to go crazy.

01:00:48.640 To God all the glory.

01:00:52.600 He's given us the strength to persevere, to continue.

01:00:56.060 Because if it wasn't his work, if it wasn't for his sake, for Christ's sake, we would quit a long time ago.

01:01:03.220 This is bigger than what they even think.

01:01:07.140 This is a call.

01:01:07.900 Because when you get called by God, you cannot help but to do what God called you to do.

01:01:15.240 So that has kept me sane.

01:01:19.100 You know, it says that in the middle of a storm, God gives his people peace that surpasses all understanding.

01:01:26.980 And I've noticed many times in the middle of a battlefield, he would give the supernatural peace to persevere.

01:01:35.740 In other words, his hand was felt on our shoulder many times.

01:01:40.940 And we know it is him.

01:01:43.040 So, thank God, we got tough.

01:01:47.860 Right now, everything is upside down.

01:01:49.860 We are on the streets for all those years with real criminals, real criminals in the community.

01:01:58.440 And they are being out of jails because of COVID.

01:02:03.120 The province declared an outbreak at the facility last May and it still hasn't been lifted.

01:02:08.820 577 people, including about 65 staff, have contracted the virus.

01:02:13.120 And now they are putting Christians and business people to jails because they dare fight for the food on their table and because they are there.

01:02:26.620 This is our right.

01:02:28.060 We want to worship God.

01:02:30.160 Either pandemia or not pandemia, war or not war, peace of war.

01:02:35.240 This is what we are called for.

01:02:37.500 And now my husband is going to be in jail.

01:02:46.800 You know, I don't have words.

01:02:51.360 Well, it's heartbreaking, of course.

01:02:53.120 I mean, a person whose convictions are so profound.

01:02:59.760 I mean, he doesn't get bullied.

01:03:01.800 He can't be bribed.

01:03:02.740 He can't be bought.

01:03:03.540 But his beliefs are his beliefs and he's not going to be shaken by anything, by no bully tactics.

01:03:10.080 And it just shows that the government is scared for what he has to say.

01:03:17.380 And it also shows that I could be in his shoes as well.

01:03:22.280 I mean, they're treating a pastor this way.

01:03:25.160 How is the government going to treat me?

01:03:27.140 Well, this rips apart the moral fabric of this country, you know, a country that was established upon the rule of law and the supremacy of God.

01:03:35.580 Those two things need to coexist together.

01:03:38.140 And if we don't have, if we're only one or absent of all things, you know, if we're lawless, if we're godless, this is chaos.

01:03:46.260 This is, there's no moral fabric left anymore.

01:03:48.700 And I think we're going to see for many years the harm that this does.

01:03:53.520 Yeah, I have no ill will towards our governing authorities, whether that's Jason Kenney, Dean Hinshaw, Tyler Shandro.

01:03:59.260 I certainly disagree with how they have operated.

01:04:01.720 And I think they're operating unjustly.

01:04:03.420 And ultimately, the reason why that I'm not angry towards them is because they stand accountable to God.

01:04:10.160 And it's the same thing in 1 Peter 2, in the scriptures, it reminds us that we are called to suffer and we're called to follow Jesus' examples.

01:04:19.140 When Jesus suffered, he did not revile in return.

01:04:21.300 He did not hate in return, but rather he prayed for their forgiveness.

01:04:24.020 And he entrusted himself to God, to him who judges justly.

01:04:27.700 And so vengeance is God's, not mine.

01:04:30.380 And so God will judge.

01:04:32.100 And so I want to plead with our leaders who are doing the things they're doing unjustly, that they would repent of their sin.

01:04:40.700 They would put their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.

01:04:43.820 Because it is his judgment that is scary, not mine.

01:04:48.380 Very difficult.

01:04:50.020 Those, we're not talking about a year.

01:04:52.640 We're not talking about just since the COVID started.

01:04:54.860 We're talking about 16 years of ongoing, non-stop persecution.

01:05:01.020 I have been arrested for publicly reading Bible, face the year, prison.

01:05:05.140 I was arrested for feeding the homeless people.

01:05:07.560 I save lives.

01:05:08.440 That's what I do on a regular basis.

01:05:10.400 I feed thousands of people regularly on the streets of Calgary.

01:05:13.860 I give hope to those that lost home.

01:05:17.700 And we had to pay a terrible price for that.

01:05:20.940 I remortgaged my house seven times.

01:05:22.780 My children, when they were growing up, could not do what other children were doing.

01:05:29.700 I just could not afford it.

01:05:31.380 I was constantly in and out of the court system, over 100 court cases.

01:05:35.920 I spent more time with the lawyers and in court than in the church, believe it or not, of feeding the poor.

01:05:41.940 It was horrible.

01:05:42.800 It was a horror once again.

01:05:45.620 And you've got to remember, I watched this movie before.

01:05:49.360 And if we will not change the script, this movie doesn't end well.

01:05:53.540 And as a family, my parents, my brother, his wife, my children, my wife, we paid a big price for freedom, to fight for the freedom, not just for our freedom, but for the freedom of Canadians.

01:06:08.660 Very early on in the story of Pastor Archer Pawlowski, we could tell that the scale had shifted.

01:06:15.840 This was a fundamental and historical battle for our freedoms.

01:06:21.020 So do not pay your fine.

01:06:22.820 Don't do it.

01:06:24.440 Fight your fine.

01:06:25.220 Go to fightthefines.com to get help for yourself or to help others through crowdfunding.

01:06:30.720 This isn't just a pipe dream.

01:06:32.640 We've been preparing for this for seven months.

01:06:35.700 Ezra Levant recognized that immediately.

01:06:37.680 And so we launched SaveArcher.com, an extension of the fightthefines.com campaign.

01:06:43.440 And through that initiative, we enabled Pastor Archer Pawlowski at no cost to himself to fight, fight for all of us and to fight for freedoms that were fundamentally Canadian.

01:06:54.740 We understand as a family what it means to fight alone.

01:06:58.740 And at the end of the day, you have a handful of supporters and then you are left with those huge bills.

01:07:07.500 And we've been there, we've done that.

01:07:10.100 My husband's first arrest many, many years ago, we end up with $100,000 bills and more.

01:07:19.660 Those things cost, unfortunately.

01:07:21.720 But the feeling that you are alone right now with backing up of rebel news, backing up of exposure.

01:07:31.780 Because mainstream media are going to lie, of course.

01:07:36.420 They're going to say, oh, this dude, this street controversial preacher, they cannot dare even say pastor.

01:07:47.640 And now we know it's not even about the feeling.

01:07:52.000 We know we are not alone.

01:07:53.020 Well, I wanted to thank the rebel news because the truth is that in Canada today, you are the only broadcast that is out there, not only giving the entire truth, but you're risking your lives.

01:08:07.940 These are crazy times.

01:08:09.920 This is the times where in Soviet Poland, people that were showing the truth, they were at risk of even being killed. 0.61

01:08:19.400 You know, this is a repetition of history, same in Nazi Germany. 0.61

01:08:23.540 You know, this is where we are.

01:08:24.900 And I wanted to thank you for being there for us.

01:08:27.280 Kian, Adam, Ezra Levan, all of you guys.

01:08:32.240 This is amazing.

01:08:33.580 You know, may God repay you sevenfold and may he enlarge your territory.

01:08:39.040 And I just want to encourage everybody, please support rebel news.

01:08:42.620 Please be there for them because they are showing the other side of the story, the story that this de facto, in my eyes, government, the tyrants, the criminals in government will never allow the mainstream media to show.

01:09:01.940 So please support rebel news.

01:09:04.840 Thank you so much.

01:09:05.860 Well, you're the only media outlet that's telling the truth, showing the other side of the story.

01:09:12.340 Every other media source, every other mainstream media source paints him, defames him, defames him in this horrible way, painting him and my family as these evil people.

01:09:23.820 When all he wants to do is hold church service, all he wants to do is feed the poor.

01:09:27.080 So I want to thank you, Rebel, that you're the only source of media that's showing that other story.

01:09:33.500 Yeah, I commend Rebel News for the fightdefines.com, for Save Arthur, for all their involvement in really what's been a true beacon of light in the media world, in the news world.

01:09:51.280 You know, right now to try and turn on the news and get any kind of thing outside of mainstream media, outside of just the narrative of the day, it's almost impossible.

01:10:01.900 So we thank God for Rebel News and all the good reporters like yourself, Adam, and Kia, and just the coverage has been fantastic.

01:10:11.180 Things that would have never been heard have been heard, have been recorded, you know.

01:10:16.720 I like to think of, I think it was Winston Churchill that at the end of World War II, he said, make sure you document everything,

01:10:24.280 because somebody somewhere will try and say that this never happened.

01:10:27.720 And I think we're looking at the same thing right now today.

01:10:30.660 Well, my wife said that the worst thing is to be alone, to be abundant, to feel that there's no one that cares,

01:10:41.100 that there's no one that is willing to cover the story the way it is.

01:10:47.060 The good, the bad, and the ugly, fairly.

01:10:49.580 The mainstream media propaganda machinery is hammering me left and right, and they did that since 2005.

01:10:55.680 To them, feeding the homeless, a pastor that feeds the poor is a villain, it's a bad person.

01:11:03.380 To them, someone that stands up for our rights, for the Charter Rights and Freedoms, for the Constitution.

01:11:09.160 Whereas Canada acknowledges the supremacy of God and the rule of law, that kind of a person is a villain, someone that should be hammered.

01:11:18.020 But thanks to you, we don't feel alone.

01:11:21.020 Thanks to you, rebel, I don't feel alone.

01:11:23.840 I feel that no matter what those villains will do to me, at least I can count on the rebel, and they're going to cover the story.

01:11:31.140 So the world will see at least what is happening to me, what is happening to my family, the burning of my house,

01:11:37.220 the trying to murder my children and my wife, and me being hammered and threatened with prison over and over again, with tickets, without mercy.

01:11:47.300 At least I know that whatever happens to me, to us, the world will know what kind of politicians we have in our beloved province of Alberta.

01:11:57.740 Who is really Jason Kenney?

01:12:00.200 Who is this man that hunts down a pastor, that feeds thousands of people, of his own people?

01:12:06.840 Who is the minister of justice, Madhu?

01:12:10.780 Who are those villains that are doing this to their own people?

01:12:16.160 Nazis are not welcome here. Out.

01:12:19.240 And don't come back without a warrant.

01:12:21.320 Do not come back without a warrant. You understand that?

01:12:24.740 You're not welcome here. Nazis are not welcome here.

01:12:27.180 In the church behind me are the steps from which Pastor Archer spoke the words,

01:12:32.380 get out, get out, that reverberated throughout the world.

01:12:36.720 Little did he know how big his story would get,

01:12:39.460 and little did he know how much support he would need from people like you

01:12:42.860 to mount a fight that echoed once again throughout the world.

01:12:46.320 Because of the generosity of thousands of rebel viewers, Pastor Archer was able to take a stand.

01:12:52.380 The story of Pastor Archer Pawlowski started in many ways right here on these steps.

01:13:06.920 And it ends here as well.

01:13:08.920 With your support, you can stand up.

01:13:11.260 If you believe that Pastor Archer was in the right when he fed those people,

01:13:15.480 was doing the right thing when he opened his church,

01:13:18.100 and was obeying his conscience when he refused to participate in these measures

01:13:22.920 that would fundamentally undermine his constitutional rights as a pastor in this country,

01:13:30.060 the time to stand is now.

01:13:32.040 It's more urgent than ever.

01:13:33.660 We need you to go to savearcher.com and contribute now to help in his legal battle.

01:13:39.560 We'll see you next time.

01:13:50.620 We'll see you next time.

01:13:54.300 We'll see you next time.

Rebel News Podcast - October 13, 2021

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Southwest Airlines cancels 2,000 flights — could it happen in Canada？

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