Rebel News Podcast - March 31, 2022


SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Vaccine injuries and vaccine patents with Tamara Ugolini


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Tamara Ugolini joins me on the show to talk about some of the work she's been doing to dig the truth out of the fiction and the conspiracy theories that you may see online about COVID and vaccines and vaccine injury.

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00:00:00.000 Oh, hey guys, it's me, Sheila Gunn-Reed, quite possibly your favorite rebel, but I'll settle
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00:00:25.400 Now tonight, my guest, well, she actually might be your favorite rebel. 1.00
00:00:29.480 It's Tamara Ugolini, our Ontario-based reporter, and she's joining me on the show to talk about
00:00:36.060 some of the work that she's been doing to dig the fact out of the fiction and the conspiracy
00:00:42.620 theories that you may see online about COVID and vaccines and vaccine injury.
00:00:50.140 I think it's really important work that she's doing because there's so much information out
00:00:54.940 there, and who has the time to dig down?
00:00:58.060 Well, you know what?
00:00:59.240 Tamara's got the time. 1.00
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00:02:57.240 So, joining me now from her home in Ontario is my friend, and I say this lovingly, COVID
00:03:05.700 statistic nerd, Tamara Yucalimi.
00:03:10.260 Tamara, thanks for joining me.
00:03:12.120 I wanted to talk to you about some of the work that you've been doing for us at Rebel
00:03:17.240 News, and some of the work that you're doing.
00:03:19.200 I really think it's the Lord's work when you rescue people from conspiracy theories, and
00:03:25.280 I don't blame people for falling for conspiracy theories.
00:03:29.300 Things that seemed so outlandish two years ago, the government has done to us, like seizing
00:03:35.260 bank accounts and arresting peaceful protesters and telling you that you're on a no-fly list
00:03:40.160 because you didn't get a vaccine and installing vaccine passports.
00:03:43.300 These were all wild conspiracy theories.
00:03:45.080 The people who brought them in said that they were conspiracy theories a year ago, and so
00:03:50.500 normal people, they do, you know, they sort of latch on to these conspiracy theories because
00:03:56.740 they're just trying to make sense of the world, and I do think you're doing the Lord's work
00:04:00.740 by investigating things to find out if they are indeed true, because there's a lot of sinister
00:04:06.480 things out there, or if they are just somebody's imagination running wild.
00:04:12.020 And one of those pieces of important journalism you did, you asked the question, is Trudeau
00:04:19.020 monopolizing vaccine technology?
00:04:21.540 And you got to the bottom of it.
00:04:23.000 What prompted this, and what sort of were your findings there?
00:04:26.820 Well, like you said, it's easy to latch on to these conspiracy theories, and maybe they're
00:04:30.660 not conspiracy theories, but as you said, you know, a lot of them turn out to be conspiracy
00:04:34.300 fact when you see the way that the world is going and the way that our elected representatives
00:04:39.640 are not actually representing the Canadian public.
00:04:43.120 So I thought, wow, that's not an outlandish claim, given the track record of Justin Trudeau
00:04:49.160 and his government and the way they have handled themselves in the past in terms of their ethical
00:04:54.940 convictions.
00:04:56.040 So I wanted to really see for myself what exactly the claim was, and how Trudeau was maybe enmeshed
00:05:03.920 into it, and what I found was there's a lot of really sort of broad claims being made online,
00:05:10.780 but the specific claim, if you really break down what's kind of circulating on social media,
00:05:18.140 the specific claim is that the Canadian government, not necessarily Trudeau specifically, is monopolizing
00:05:25.380 or, or sorry, rather receiving royalties on the lipid nanoparticle technology, which is
00:05:32.860 an integral part of the COVID vaccine.
00:05:35.300 So it's not even necessarily the COVID injectables in and of themselves.
00:05:40.400 It's the piece of the technology used in their research and development.
00:05:45.720 Sorry to interrupt.
00:05:46.840 This is why I lovingly call you the COVID nerd of the company, because you have just taken
00:05:52.880 all these big, crazy ideas, these words that we never even used in common parlance two
00:05:58.220 years ago, you understand them, and you can break them down for normal people.
00:06:02.400 So I thank you for that.
00:06:03.220 And sorry to interrupt.
00:06:03.860 Keep going.
00:06:04.760 No, that's okay.
00:06:05.520 And that's what I mean, too.
00:06:06.400 I was like, well, what?
00:06:07.220 This doesn't all make sense.
00:06:08.420 You have to, you have to break it down and figure out which bits are the truth here.
00:06:12.460 And so that's what I've naturally gravitated toward trying to do.
00:06:17.660 So, so yeah, what I found was this lipid nanoparticle technology, which is actually dates
00:06:21.960 back, uh, at least a decade ago, it was used primarily in the research and development
00:06:26.980 for the cancer COVID cancer, um, treatment options.
00:06:31.680 And so it's not a new technology.
00:06:33.800 Well, sorry, it is fairly new, but anyway, regardless what happened was technology partnerships,
00:06:39.020 Canada, which is now a scrapped program had given a grant to, uh, in this particular
00:06:45.240 instance, Arbutus biopharmaceutical company in British Columbia to do their R and D their
00:06:51.220 research and development around this technology.
00:06:53.520 And gosh, what was it?
00:06:55.400 Almost $4 million they granted, or they, they had allotted them like 14 million and they ended
00:07:00.220 up only using 4 million.
00:07:02.080 And as of 2017, Arbutus has only repaid like $14,000 of that for almost $4 million grant.
00:07:12.600 So I'm like, you know, yeah, I want to see the royalties on that technology because otherwise
00:07:17.580 it's coming out of the taxpayer's pocket to fund that grant program to this pharmaceutical
00:07:23.780 company.
00:07:24.860 So I don't know about anybody else, but I'd like to see some of those royalties come back
00:07:29.260 and get repaid to the government, i.e.
00:07:31.840 our taxpayer dollars.
00:07:33.820 Yeah.
00:07:34.380 It's, um, I'm so glad you got to the bottom of that because yeah, I had seen the rumor floating
00:07:39.400 around online.
00:07:40.140 Trudeau owns this technology or he's getting royalties from this technology.
00:07:44.060 But when you drill down, the taxpayer should be getting royalties on this technology if
00:07:51.020 it had been fully, uh, developed with that grant.
00:07:53.560 Um, you know, so, so there it's truthy, the rumor, but not, not quite true.
00:08:00.220 Exactly.
00:08:01.280 Now you did.
00:08:03.140 And the reason you do need to drill down on these, um, conspiracy ideas, I don't even want
00:08:08.740 to call them theories, um, is because sometimes there are conflicts of interest or perceived
00:08:14.740 conflicts of interest going on.
00:08:16.900 And one of those that you discovered was, um, one of the experts on the Ontario science
00:08:22.480 table did not declare fully all of his perceived conflicts of interest.
00:08:29.400 Uh, Dr. Peter Youni, um, tell us about sort of what could have been, or was definitely
00:08:37.420 problematic, um, in his role with the science table.
00:08:41.540 And then, you know, what happened to him once your story broke?
00:08:45.780 Yeah.
00:08:46.360 I mean, there's so much to unpack with the Ontario science table.
00:08:49.260 I feel like I could dedicate probably the rest of my life just to delving into each of
00:08:53.740 their members.
00:08:54.320 And then of course, the Dalai Lana School of Public Health, which is part of the University
00:08:57.800 of Toronto and all of these little subsidiaries of where these people come from, the science
00:09:04.000 table and who their stakeholders and funders and donors and all the next people are.
00:09:09.340 Um, but specifically Peter Youni, he's the director.
00:09:12.220 So he's like the head honcho of the Ontario science table.
00:09:15.340 And he's been really responsible for doing a lot of the media engagements and, you know,
00:09:19.800 contributing to the fear and hysteria around the COVID response and, uh, driving policy
00:09:25.740 bought for our elected officials.
00:09:28.240 Um, so I, I decided to look into him after he was saying some really outlandish things
00:09:34.260 on, on the media, on his media engagements.
00:09:37.040 And I found that his advocacy for vaccine passports was simply to coerce people because as he found
00:09:44.360 in his home country of Switzerland, that when immigrants were coming in and they weren't
00:09:48.620 vaccinated, if they couldn't engage in everyday society, they were more likely to go out and
00:09:52.880 get their vaccine.
00:09:53.880 So you're seeing that it's not based in science and evidence-based decision-making.
00:09:58.180 It's literally based on coerce, coercive, um, guilt and, uh, and holding this carrot of
00:10:07.000 freedom in front of people's faces to gain their compliance.
00:10:10.740 Um, and then of course, once my report came out, which also a really fishy part of my conflicts
00:10:15.460 of interest, which I would have never known this unless I had interviewed, uh, the, the woman,
00:10:21.700 Catherine.
00:10:22.880 I can't think of her, her last name off the top of my head, but she was a story that I
00:10:26.560 featured where her religious exemption was denied by her university, even though other
00:10:31.800 students and other programs had almost identical religious exemption paperwork to hers and theirs
00:10:37.360 were approved.
00:10:38.100 And so what I found was this third party law firm was responsible for making these decisions.
00:10:44.100 And Peter Uni was actually the expert witness for that same law firm.
00:10:49.380 And so I wondered if he had even declared his conflicts of interest to the law firm before
00:10:55.780 he advocated for these passports.
00:10:58.300 And was he involved at all in who received an exemption and who didn't?
00:11:03.680 I mean, the whole thing is just a mess.
00:11:05.300 And so when I pointed some of that out, you know, we, you can show clips in my report,
00:11:09.060 people can go back on the rebel platform and search it out.
00:11:11.940 A mere week later, Peter Uni resigns from the Ontario science table and is fleeing the country as of,
00:11:19.360 I think, the next month or two.
00:11:21.240 So I think that we're seeing that the rats are starting to flee that ship.
00:11:26.740 And then oddly enough, Byron Bridle, a virologist and immunologist, highly renowned in his field,
00:11:32.800 Dr. Byron Bridle, let me know that he was also an expert witness in a court case around the mandates
00:11:39.740 for hospital workers.
00:11:40.660 Just, of course, him and Uni were on opposite sides of the courtroom.
00:11:43.960 And he really questioned the credentials behind Uni's education and experience to provide such a testimony
00:11:53.640 because he's an epidemiologist.
00:11:55.300 He has no real understanding or workings within the immune system and, of course, vaccine development.
00:12:02.420 So it's actually kind of shocking that an epidemiologist would be an expert witness
00:12:09.040 when a law firm is reviewing the veracity and strength of someone's religious convictions, right?
00:12:16.100 Like, what does he have to do with any of that?
00:12:18.680 If your religious convictions tell you that you cannot take this vaccine,
00:12:25.720 what does an epidemiologist have to do with it?
00:12:27.920 He's definitely not a theologian.
00:12:30.400 We know that much.
00:12:32.160 And so I'm glad that you dug into that.
00:12:35.260 And I think you might be at least a little bit responsible for him evacuating the country.
00:12:40.840 However, we're all supposed to stay home to stay safe, but he can just relocate.
00:12:46.040 Yeah, willy-nilly.
00:12:46.660 Yeah, exactly.
00:12:47.400 And go live his life with his, what was it?
00:12:49.680 I think $300,000 a year salary.
00:12:52.120 And he gets to pocket that and then just kick high ground.
00:12:55.800 Yeah, and, you know, as an epidemiologist, an expert witness for a law firm,
00:13:00.920 well-paid, probably getting a little cash on the side to be an expert witness for the law firm.
00:13:06.580 I'm sure he's not doing this out of the goodness of his heart.
00:13:10.260 Deciding if other people get to get a religious exemption so they can maintain their job
00:13:15.040 just to pay their bills and keep the lights on.
00:13:16.940 It's kind of gross, actually.
00:13:18.580 It's really gross and really sad, really sad for the general public
00:13:21.880 who's been at the receiving end of these, what I would call, discriminatory practices against them.
00:13:28.960 This law firm told Catherine, for instance, that she didn't have the sincerely held religious belief.
00:13:34.920 Meanwhile, or it was a singular belief.
00:13:37.020 Meanwhile, the other people had the exact same paperwork and theirs was approved.
00:13:41.920 So the whole, it just, there's no rhyme or reason.
00:13:44.080 It's all arbitrarily enforced on the whims and on the advice of these experts
00:13:50.200 who never declare their conflicts of interest.
00:13:52.920 Yeah, on the advice of experts who have a vested interest in continuing the system
00:13:58.400 and continuing the discrimination, if only for the reason that they don't want to publicly admit
00:14:03.840 that they got something wrong.
00:14:05.700 Mm-hmm.
00:14:06.380 Yes.
00:14:07.500 Now, some other work that you've done.
00:14:10.420 The Trudeau government committed $75 million to the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.
00:14:15.100 However, then we got an order, I think it was an order paper response.
00:14:21.600 I should know because the story was mine.
00:14:24.820 Just, they had only received 400 claims to this Vaccine Injury Support Program.
00:14:31.880 The reason the number is so low, I don't think, is because that there are that few vaccine injury reports.
00:14:40.340 You and I hear these vaccine injury reports all the time.
00:14:42.780 The problem is they're not being approved by the doctors
00:14:46.560 so that people can submit them to this program for compensation.
00:14:52.760 The program itself costs $21 million to administer.
00:14:57.140 And I think they've only paid out four claims in all, in the whole country,
00:15:03.120 in the last six months.
00:15:07.900 Sorry, fewer than five.
00:15:09.340 So what does that even mean?
00:15:10.500 That could mean one, really.
00:15:12.780 But, so they've got all this money in the fund.
00:15:17.060 Government pats itself on the back.
00:15:18.640 Oh, we're looking out for the Canadians.
00:15:19.940 I guess we've medically coerced.
00:15:22.100 And they're paying this other third-party consulting firm $21 million,
00:15:26.860 I guess, to deny the claims.
00:15:29.340 I think that's what's happening here.
00:15:31.600 And doctors aren't allowing claims to be submitted
00:15:34.900 because they're getting pressure from their overseeing bodies,
00:15:40.360 like the colleges of physicians and surgeons are saying,
00:15:43.180 you better not approve that because your license is on the line.
00:15:47.180 And this is supposed to be a completely fair system.
00:15:50.880 What do you think?
00:15:51.500 Well, so far, the proof is in the pudding that it's not a fair system.
00:15:56.100 I think that one of the first reports I did on this was with Dr. Patrick Phillips in the spring of 2021,
00:16:03.060 when his adverse events reports were first being denied by his local medical officer of health.
00:16:09.700 And so he was sounding the alarm bells then of how futile his attempts at documenting these adverse reactions were
00:16:19.060 and that he was then cited and cautioned by his medical officer of health
00:16:23.100 and, like you said, his governing body, the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario,
00:16:28.560 to stop, essentially stop documenting this, stop submitting these claims because they're cumbersome
00:16:34.180 and take a lot of time to sift through for pretty much nothing.
00:16:37.200 So we kind of knew that this was the direction that this was going.
00:16:41.640 The Canadian system is very, there's a lot of filtering involved to get a documented reaction to the top and have it acknowledged.
00:16:53.460 And so they're just not making it through that filtration process.
00:16:56.940 And unfortunately, as it seems that the buck is stopping right with the first filter,
00:17:01.400 which is the family doctors, because all those other layers have come top down
00:17:06.840 to say, hey, guess what?
00:17:08.640 If you make these claims, we're going to investigate you or, or, or.
00:17:12.840 Everyone's too scared to speak out against it for fear of reprimand or punishment.
00:17:18.140 And it's really heartbreaking for the people who, you know, for instance, took this jab to keep their job
00:17:24.400 and now they're out of work anyway.
00:17:26.460 And so they're left with the very thing they were fearful of before, which was being out of money and a way to feed their families or pay for their homes or their cars or whatever.
00:17:37.640 And so they got the jab to keep their job, to keep, to stay afloat.
00:17:41.440 And now they can't work anyway.
00:17:43.300 And they don't know if they will ever be able to.
00:17:45.940 For instance, that story that I featured with Diana Horst, she's a 55-year-old woman who was previously healthy. 0.91
00:17:52.300 And she just heard back.
00:17:54.420 She got a call from, I guess she has a case manager as of yesterday or today.
00:17:58.220 And they're going to give her a call back in four weeks.
00:18:02.800 And she's like, in the meantime, I'm in a wheelchair and my husband has to take all this time off to take care of me and take me to my appointments.
00:18:10.140 And, you know, just the rigmarole involved with all of this is just such a failure, especially when you, yeah, you coerce people and threaten them with societal contracts to be, to be part of society and take place in their job and their school.
00:18:25.420 And now when they did their part and they were injured, they just, you know, oh, well, we'll just push them to the wayside and we'll pretend like we're going to give them all this money.
00:18:35.260 But by the time any of it comes to fruition, maybe they'll be long gone.
00:18:39.620 We don't know.
00:18:40.880 Yeah.
00:18:41.140 It reminds me of the case of Natalie Klein at Blades to Fades Barbershop, Ralph Klein's niece, actually.
00:18:48.620 She was coerced into taking a vaccine because she wanted to visit her mother on Vancouver Island.
00:18:56.980 And she did take the vaccine.
00:18:59.820 I think it was the Moderna vaccine.
00:19:01.220 She had a catastrophic stroke.
00:19:03.940 A healthy woman my age, so like youngish, a little boy at home, business to run, completely devastated her health and her life and her business. 0.99
00:19:15.280 She's, you know, she's recovering, thank God, but it's a long road.
00:19:19.020 She's on nitroglycerin tablets like she's an 80-year-old man with a heart condition.
00:19:23.960 And at the end of the day, because she could only take one dose of the vaccine, the second dose, her doctor told her, don't take it.
00:19:33.860 She can't see her mom anyway.
00:19:35.140 So she was coerced into taking this vaccine to see her mom.
00:19:40.080 And at the end of the day, because she can never be fully vaccinated against COVID-19, she can't get on that plane to go see her mom or get on the ferry or take a train.
00:19:53.060 And, you know, her story is not all that unusual.
00:19:57.600 You and I hear vaccine injury stories all day long.
00:20:01.080 The idea that just 400 people have been accepted to this program, I think between you and me, we've easily heard from 400 people with vaccine injuries.
00:20:10.240 And the vaccine injuries, they're not always catastrophic like, you know, Diana's and Natalie's.
00:20:17.540 They are sometimes just this persistent brain fog that make functioning in your everyday life impossible and makes navigating this vaccine injury reporting system nearly impossible, too.
00:20:33.880 You know, it's like the government is getting the benefit of the injury that they force you to get.
00:20:40.260 Yeah, exactly.
00:20:42.860 And I mean, just today, I think I finally caught up on the emails that I've received in the last week and a half, just specifically to vaccine injury.
00:20:51.660 I had to start directing everything to its own specific folder because the emails that were coming in was just crazy when I put that call out.
00:20:59.680 Yeah, I think it was the second week of March.
00:21:02.200 And I just today got caught up on all of them.
00:21:06.220 And there does seem to be some patterns.
00:21:07.800 Like, I mean, I'm not a doctor or a medical professional, but I can, in talking to people, I see that there are some patterns developing.
00:21:14.200 But you're right, the brain fog associated with this.
00:21:17.240 And I think the very first person I interviewed with an actual vaccine injury, who at the time wasn't documented, was Kevin Street.
00:21:23.880 And he couldn't, there was no way he could keep up with the follow through and the advocacy that was needed for him to get any sort of help or assistance with his injury.
00:21:36.080 And then his wife had to go back to work because he was out of work. 0.99
00:21:38.660 And so he no longer had his advocate either.
00:21:41.280 And it's just heartbreaking to hear from these people.
00:21:43.780 And once again, you know, the government saying, oh, look, we did something.
00:21:48.060 But what is it, a fourth, a third of that's going to go to this law firm?
00:21:51.460 And what are they tasked with?
00:21:54.520 Why aren't we giving a larger portion of that to the people injured?
00:21:58.380 And maybe it's wrong to say or to make note of this.
00:22:02.540 But I remember at the beginning, two people were like, well, if the unvaccinated come to the hospital with COVID, we should deny them medical care and cut off their assistance at the hospital and to medicine and to doctors.
00:22:13.780 And the medical establishment.
00:22:15.600 And what if there was people who were that aggressive and that mean on the other side who said, well, these people, they trusted that science and they did, they took the shot.
00:22:24.400 So they don't deserve any sort of assistance or help now.
00:22:27.040 I mean, just seeing how absolutely gross the thought process is on both sides of that spectrum.
00:22:33.760 It's just what devastating societal effects has the government done to people?
00:22:40.140 It's just so un-Canadian and disgusting. 1.00
00:22:43.780 Well, and by not recognizing what it is that caused these medical problems in these people, we're denying them the appropriate treatment.
00:22:52.640 When we're sort of skirting around the issue that this COVID vaccine caused this problem in them, we're also denying them the treatment that they need.
00:23:00.560 And I'm told that health care in this country is universal, regardless of your race, creed, religion.
00:23:09.920 You should have access to the medical system.
00:23:12.660 But that's not the case because we're denying a certain subset of people access to the medical treatment they need so that they feel better.
00:23:21.440 Because we can't count them as a vaccine injury statistic because it goes against the narrative.
00:23:27.920 And on that note, too, I think that there's there's a big divide as well in the medical establishment that they genuinely don't know what to do with them.
00:23:35.700 Like they seem lost themselves.
00:23:38.160 How do we deal with with these people coming to us with these reactions?
00:23:41.940 And there there is, like I said, that pattern.
00:23:43.700 But they're also very highly individualized.
00:23:47.200 And sometimes I wonder if they the doctors and nurses and the establishment even know what they're doing to address this.
00:23:54.440 And if they have proper treatment options for people suffering.
00:23:58.460 Now, speaking of people suffering, I truly believe that there is also a subset of people in society who are so caught up in the fear of all of this.
00:24:10.940 They can't just unwind and see through it.
00:24:13.220 And I think that's largely been caused by TV doctors and biostatisticians, which I'm not even sure is a real job.
00:24:22.520 And the reason I bring this up is because there's one in your home province of Ontario, Ryan Imgrind.
00:24:31.440 He's sort of been the guy who's like the next wave is coming.
00:24:35.500 Make sure you're wearing masks.
00:24:36.860 The next wave is coming.
00:24:37.880 Make sure the kids are all suffering by having to wear a mask seven hours a day at school and all their sports are canceled.
00:24:44.040 And they're sitting on the couch and watching Netflix because that's the only safe and healthy thing to do.
00:24:48.920 So he's been like a locker downer and he's used his his role as a statistician or his consulting as a statistician to sort of enforce bad government policy.
00:25:02.520 He describes himself as a consultant, which means he gets paid to give the government reasons to do things.
00:25:08.700 And he's a private sector science advisory board member and also, as it would turn out, a high school teacher.
00:25:16.680 And the reason we're talking about him is the other day he did not want a maskless school assembly to happen on Friday.
00:25:26.040 He tweeted this March 29th.
00:25:28.260 So as we're recording this, it's March 30th yesterday.
00:25:30.580 He's apparently still on Twitter and he says, burn the school down, question mark, or cancel the whole school maskless assembly on Friday.
00:25:40.100 Tough call.
00:25:40.960 Could these people at least let the kids leave the school before they are collateral damage in their hypochondria yet again?
00:25:47.080 And what's going on here?
00:25:50.900 Because Randy Hilliard spent a day in jail for, I guess, probably telling people to hold the line.
00:25:58.060 Likewise with Pastor Art Poloski, 51 days in jail for giving a sermon to truckers at the border.
00:26:04.860 Peaceful protesters were treated like terrorists for not even going anywhere near this sort of thing.
00:26:12.180 And this guy is going to get government contracts out the wazoo and he's a public sector employee because he's a high school teacher.
00:26:20.100 There are no consequences for this madness.
00:26:22.940 And that's the crazy thing is that he's a high school teacher and the lack of consequences on that side, the hysteria generators, the ones who are just crippled.
00:26:33.500 I think crippled with hypochondria is a word that I have used before.
00:26:37.560 I don't know if they will ever come back from this.
00:26:43.020 They're just so far down.
00:26:45.140 That is a conspiracy rabbit hole, in my opinion.
00:26:48.660 They're so far down this COVID religion that I don't know if they can ever come back from something like this.
00:26:56.560 And the fact that he's a high school teacher and who knows if he'll even get so much as a slap on the wrist for making such an outlandish tweet where you have doctors saying, oh, do we really think that the COVID injectables are safe and effective?
00:27:11.340 And then they get investigated by the CPSO.
00:27:13.740 And yeah, they're like rooted in conspiracy and Russian troll farms and they get their licenses removed and reprimanded by their college and ousted by their colleagues.
00:27:27.120 And someone like this can make an actual property destruction question, like posed as a question, thinly veiled and just continues on with his life scot-free.
00:27:38.420 Um, that just shows this, the, the two tiered kind of citizenry that's been created here where these people on this pedestal can say what they want at any time without having fear of reprisal.
00:27:52.820 And then if you question the narrative, it's like, oh, you're a crazy conspiracy theorist who gets their information from Russian trolls.
00:28:00.500 Yeah. I mean, this guy, he's going to, uh, be treated as though, look how much he cares about these kids so deeply about their health that he would question, float the thought bubble that he maybe should burn down their school.
00:28:19.140 I mean, as an, I can't even imagine what the parents are feeling if this guy teaches at your kid's school.
00:28:23.640 Yeah, I think he's a high school teacher, but yes, absolutely. And the thing is, it's been two years. Like, when do you say enough is enough? The masks haven't done anything. I thought the vaccines were the way out and going to save us all.
00:28:39.060 And now we have more deaths than, and injuries than we did before we had vaccines. So at what point do you say, okay, where's my rational thought? Where's reality? And have a real look at through, take off those rose colored glasses and say, you know what? This doesn't make sense anymore. It's been two years.
00:29:00.240 How much longer can I keep pushing this hysteria before I look like an absolute clown?
00:29:08.120 I think it goes back to, they just don't want to publicly admit that they were wrong. That's a very difficult thing for narcissistic people to do. Um, they can't say, well, new information came in and I learned something a little bit different. Um, there, I, I think that's part of it. I think there's some, um, financial incentive to keep this stuff going.
00:29:29.020 If you're a consultant that, uh, pushes statistics to enforce government lockdowns and you're getting contracts for that, of course, you're going to continue on with the fear mongering.
00:29:38.900 But I also agree with you that a lot of this is a bit of a religion. Their religion is fear. They've replaced fear of God with fear of a disease.
00:29:47.960 And there are rituals, ritual, ritual hand-washing and mask wearing and chants and TikTok dances. Um, look, I'm Catholic.
00:29:58.020 Yeah, I'm Catholic. So we do the calisthenic thing at church too, where it's like, stand up, sit down, kneel, get up, do this with your hands.
00:30:04.420 So it's for me, when I look at this stuff, I'm like, ah, it's very similar to a religion, um, their behavior and they are true believers.
00:30:13.360 And like when he, if like with every cult at the end, when the mass catastrophe, sometimes, you know, like when you hear about the mass suicides of a cult, those people are the truest believers.
00:30:27.280 Everybody else got off along the way. When the first comet didn't strike the earth and you didn't get taken to heaven in a spaceship, you leave.
00:30:36.400 And then the ones at the end are the truest, most radical believers. And I think that's what we're seeing here.
00:30:42.400 The people who are the truest believers in the COVID scare, those are the ones that are left.
00:30:47.580 And they are radical. The kind that I guess, threatened to burn down schools.
00:30:52.420 And walk away from it without even a slap on the wrist.
00:30:55.940 Yeah. Yeah. That's, uh, that is exactly it. Uh, you look at how this guy's going to get treated versus how, uh, honkers get treated. 1.00
00:31:06.940 Uh, he's not even going to get an $81 honking ticket, if you know what I mean.
00:31:10.820 Tamara, I know you're very busy today. Uh, thanks for jumping on the call with me.
00:31:15.720 Yeah. Um, what are you working on next?
00:31:18.020 Oh gosh. Okay. So I have, uh, I have some stories coming out hopefully later this week, maybe over the weekend, early next week, uh, regarding the World Health Organization's pandemic treaty, or they've changed the word now to like a contract, um, the wording.
00:31:35.780 And so that's, that's slated for, I believe 2024. And so there's a group, the World Council for Health has formed, and they are calling out to their various countries.
00:31:47.960 And specifically my interview will be with a Canadian doctor, um, who's going to discuss the health implications of, uh, a treaty such as this for Canadians and some of the more sovereign nations.
00:32:00.460 Um, and then I'm continuing to follow the vaccine reaction reporting. And one of my next reports will be to discuss, uh, adverse events reporting system that was developed by just average everyday Canadians who saw the failures of our formal federal system.
00:32:19.880 Um, so we're going to discuss that and how they are vetting and vouching for these reactions and also putting them in touch with professionals who can hopefully assist and at least make these reactions a little bit more manageable for people.
00:32:35.840 Yeah, I bet they're doing it without involving a $21 million consulting firm too. So, you know, whatever the government does, the private sector can do much better.
00:32:45.020 Tamara, Tamara, thank you for all your hard work on these COVID cases and your advocacy for the people who are not only forgotten by the system, but so often abused and let down by the system. I know, um, Canadians appreciate your hard work on this stuff.
00:33:01.540 Well, thanks, Sheila. Yeah. And I love doing this work. So thank you everyone for your support. And of course, uh, to the rebel platform for allowing me to, to go with, with the stories that I see of importance. So thank you.
00:33:15.020 Well, everybody, I think I'm going to try something new on the show here. Keep things a little bit exciting. Maybe do something that Ezra does and that David Menzies does. And that is read some of your letters and comments on some of the work that I do in particular, the show from last week.
00:33:39.100 And these are hand selected by my producer, Efron. I haven't read them yet. I have not reacted to them yet. So let's do this organically together. If you will be, I suppose, my crash test dummies on this new sort of segment of the show. Let's take a look.
00:33:55.600 V.I. Gab sends us a comment saying, I gave up on the CBC and other mainstream news sources. They lost all credibility during the trucker protests. Boy, did they ever.
00:34:07.500 I think CBC had to retract two separate stories relating to the convoy, one of which they accused the convoy of being Russian backed, but the supply of Russian spies and foreign meddlers never quite seems to meet the demand over at CBC.
00:34:25.260 The Toronto Star, they had a story wherein they alleged that guns were found in the convoy. Testimony at a House of Commons committee indicated that wasn't true.
00:34:38.340 And another mainstream media source, it might even have been the CBC, they tried to fact check an American outlet when the American outlet said that the police had guns drawn on protesters.
00:34:49.020 They tried to say that that wasn't true when there was video all around the world that came out of the convoy where police had their guns drawn extracting protesters from their trucks and their RVs.
00:35:03.000 So, yeah, they did lose all credibility. Unfortunately, they didn't lose all their funding from Justin Trudeau.
00:35:10.220 So, I guess that's the bad side is that there will never be a market correction for just how horrible they are because even if the people stop watching, Justin Trudeau keeps giving them more and more and more of your money.
00:35:24.280 Next one. A Rolls says,
00:35:27.920 It's been a horror that musicians have been so silent. Are they all leftists? Thank God for the few who have stepped up.
00:35:35.860 This is a comment on my interview from last week with Brad Skistimus from Five Times August.
00:35:44.260 And he's been sort of writing these anthems of freedom.
00:35:48.960 And he wrote one in particular about Justin Trudeau's treatment of the convoy.
00:35:52.980 And I had him on the show last week and it was a fun interview and I should have him back on again.
00:35:56.520 After he does his next single.
00:36:00.540 But it is true. 0.90
00:36:02.560 And I think it has something to do with the industry itself and Hollywood and how it has been sort of the entertainment arm of the Democrat Party.
00:36:13.940 Musicians used to be, you know, part of the counterculture.
00:36:17.580 It's an industry that is based entirely in free speech and free thought and free expression.
00:36:26.080 That's what art is.
00:36:27.500 It must be free for it to be art.
00:36:31.440 And yet, so often we see musicians becoming the enforcers of ideological homogeneity, that everybody has to think the same on every single topic and talk the same.
00:36:43.980 And they've really been sort of the pop culture police force of the Democrat and progressive movement.
00:36:54.340 They're not the counterculture anymore.
00:36:56.180 I think a great example of this is Rage Against the Machine.
00:36:58.960 They are literally the machine now.
00:37:00.680 Far leftists in complete ideological line with the mainstream.
00:37:07.500 Now, I sort of listen to country music and not even new country music, old country music.
00:37:12.180 So I'm not the best judge of this stuff.
00:37:14.460 As I said, I've checked out of the culture a very long time ago.
00:37:19.040 But there's a reason I like older country music.
00:37:24.600 And I think those people are still not afraid to be conservative and express different views and sort of be pro-gun and pro-God.
00:37:33.380 And I know there are probably some of those people within mainstream pop culture.
00:37:39.180 But if you speak out, you get canceled, you don't get invited to the fancy parties, and you don't get that next record deal.
00:37:46.300 So there's a lot of financial disincentive to sort of keep your politics to yourself, unless your politics conform with, I guess, Hillary Clinton.
00:37:59.340 Anyways, she's the real voice of the youth, isn't she?
00:38:02.200 And let's keep going.
00:38:04.220 Joyce S. says, thank you for this interview, again, with Brad from Five Times August, and for keeping this whole movement up front and center where it belongs.
00:38:14.480 Democracy Matters.
00:38:15.480 How could we not keep the movement for freedom, and particularly the trucker's convoy, in the front and center?
00:38:22.380 It did something incredible.
00:38:25.120 First of all, it exposed the mainstream media for the shameless liars that they are.
00:38:28.520 They would lie about things that other people had caught on video.
00:38:32.200 And try to gaslight the public.
00:38:33.720 But it also exposed the fragility and the sensitivity and the cowardice of Justin Trudeau.
00:38:40.480 He first ran away when the trucker's convoy came, and then they hurt his feelings.
00:38:44.540 So then he overreacted and treated them like terrorists with the invocation of the Emergencies Act.
00:38:50.700 We can also see how quickly the banks went along with all of this.
00:38:54.980 All the systems failed that were meant to protect the public during a time of the pandemic.
00:39:02.180 That's when your charter rights are the most important.
00:39:04.760 And I think that's why the truckers actually went to Ottawa in the first place.
00:39:08.340 They saw all the systems failing them.
00:39:10.060 The courts, their politicians, their doctors, judges, everybody who is supposed to step up and be factual and not political during the pandemic didn't happen.
00:39:24.180 The business community, likewise, another complete and total failure, just reaching for handouts instead of standing up for small businesses.
00:39:32.580 The truckers saw all those institutions fail.
00:39:35.800 And so they had to take matters into their own hands.
00:39:38.500 So the trucker's convoy not only exposed Justin Trudeau and the media, but they also revealed the power of the people once the people stand up.
00:39:48.900 And as Ezra said, just by the convoy going to Ottawa, they succeeded because now the vaccine passport is gone in so many provinces.
00:39:59.320 The mandates are being repealed.
00:40:00.960 And those things never would have been done without the truckers.
00:40:05.960 And I'll say it today, as I always say it.
00:40:09.480 Thank you, truckers.
00:40:10.560 Well, everybody, I guess that's it.
00:40:12.200 Those are the hand-selected letters.
00:40:14.960 Maybe I'll do this next time.
00:40:16.400 This was kind of fun.
00:40:17.320 You know what?
00:40:18.000 If you want to have your letter read on air, send me an email to Sheila at rebelnews.com.
00:40:25.700 And in the subject line, put gun show letters.
00:40:29.660 Two Ns, please. 0.94
00:40:30.660 Gun show letters.
00:40:32.600 And who knows?
00:40:33.200 Maybe your letter will be one that I read next week.
00:40:36.560 That's the show for tonight.
00:40:37.800 Thank you so much for tuning in.
00:40:39.200 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.
00:40:42.700 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.