Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Western Separation： How We Got Here — And Why It’s Not Going Away

00:00:00.000 the rest of the country is discovering the western separatist movement i'm sheila gun

00:00:21.600 reed and you're watching the gun show did you see this clip of ontario premier doug ford this week

00:00:35.400 look at this probably i forget about political stripes by by the way we have a prime minister

00:00:40.500 down there and he's going to be sitting down and he's going to give it everything he can

00:00:45.300 this is a time to unite the country not people saying oh i'm leaving the country or i'm doing

00:00:51.040 this i'm doing that you know united we stand divided we fall he is telling alberta to calm down

00:00:58.000 shut up and just tolerate the inequities of confederation he doesn't understand that he is

00:01:09.720 exactly the problem albertans are done having ontario politicians tell us to shut up

00:01:20.120 and take it that's exactly why there's a western separatist movement and that's why there's been

00:01:27.300 a western separatist movement largely from the beginning of alberta but at least for the last

00:01:34.040 several decades joining me today is somebody i would describe as an expert in the history of western

00:01:42.400 separatism what caused it who caused it and why it comes and goes and why this time might be different

00:01:51.900 so joining me now is somebody you may know but i might be introducing him to some of you for the first

00:01:57.940 time michael wagner so joining me now is michael wagner he might be a familiar face to some of you

00:02:11.360 who watched our documentary ungovernable he's one of the experts we called in for our documentary on

00:02:18.300 the separatist sentiment whatever that means here in alberta and michael i think is an expert historian

00:02:29.020 on this movement because a lot of the country is just discovering western separatism but it's not new

00:02:37.580 it's been around for well i think forever as far as the province goes michael thanks so much for coming

00:02:45.160 on this show and agreeing to this interview tell us a little bit about yourself before we get into

00:02:50.140 um the uh i guess for a lot of the country the newly discovered concept of western separatism

00:02:57.580 yeah thanks for having me sheila well as it pertains to our particular topic what's relevant for me is

00:03:04.080 that uh i first got involved in politics in the early 1980s when i was a teenager there was something

00:03:09.080 about what pierre trudeau was doing to alberta especially with the national energy program that for the

00:03:13.280 first time i joined a political organization and a political party that were supporting alberta

00:03:16.840 independence and it was if that's what triggered me was something that trudeau did triggered me and i

00:03:21.420 got involved for the first time now i didn't stay consistent with it throughout my whole adult life

00:03:25.400 but i i maintained an interest in it and when i was researching some other topics um during the 1990s

00:03:31.400 into the 2000s i saw that there was a lot of material in the alberta separatist movement

00:03:34.440 and i thought that there should be a history of it and it should be written by someone who understood it

00:03:39.260 from the inside to give the proper perspective so eventually and in 2009 i came out with my first

00:03:44.940 book on alberta separatism alberta separatism then and now which is a history of the movement

00:03:47.980 from the perspective you know of someone from the inside in the sense that it showed what the what

00:03:53.680 the movement was about why people were motivated to do it and so uh yeah i'm a i'm a writer i'm i've

00:03:59.220 got a phd in political science from university of alberta my actually actually my my expertise at

00:04:02.960 university was more education policy in alberta but i was always interested in alberta politics and

00:04:07.040 because i had been interested or involved in early separatist movements i was really interested in

00:04:12.420 in considering continuing to research that and uh hopefully you know bring out the real reasons as

00:04:17.660 to why people were involved because there was a lot of criticism of it and a lot of misinformation

00:04:21.320 about it and the people involved and so i wanted to have a sympathetic perspective when i wrote the

00:04:26.060 history of it so someone could read that book and understand why people would be involved

00:04:29.400 you know in it uh even if they you know weren't didn't say stay consistent the whole time so that's

00:04:34.080 kind of in a nutshell like why this is pertinent for me as a as an individual i think your experience

00:04:39.920 of not staying consistent the whole time is actually the story of the separatist movement 0.99

00:04:44.700 in alberta it it ebbs and flows people get real revved up um particularly around a trudeau doing stupid

00:04:52.760 things to alberta and then it sort of recedes when they get some of what they want um and we'll get

00:04:58.860 into that history a little bit but now that i have you what do you you know like you talk about

00:05:04.200 the misinformation around the separatist movement that there are a bunch of you know bucktooth

00:05:08.600 fringe radical yokels um but really that's not the case um who makes up the separatist movement

00:05:16.820 you know from your observation

00:05:19.020 well like it's it's average albertans for the most part like it's always been more of a populist

00:05:28.120 movement than an elite movement you know i see stuff in the media saying that this is an astroturf

00:05:32.980 movement it's being controlled by some wealthy people in ucp or something that's so false like

00:05:37.800 when you go to the meetings it's average people like especially in real areas there's farmers and

00:05:41.900 and uh and tradesmen and laborers and stuff very very rarely will you see someone outside of that

00:05:47.480 kind of um you know demographic so it's always been a populist movement from the ground up although

00:05:52.000 i would say in the early 80s there was a lot of oil men involved um you know the oil industry was

00:05:56.920 what was particularly under attack in the 1970s and early 1980s and and some of the those men were

00:06:01.900 willing to go out on a limb you know to support it publicly and and i think they got hurt by it uh

00:06:06.600 in their careers or or in their companies so so nowadays when when the federal government attacks

00:06:11.660 oil industry the oil men seem to keep quiet for the most part you know they don't speak out

00:06:16.100 publicly like they used to in the early 80s and i think that might be because of the experience of

00:06:20.040 the early 1980s and so it's it's just common alberta folk that i've seen involved in those

00:06:24.240 meetings like when i when i go to the meetings for speaking and stuff like that it's not like there's

00:06:28.680 major leaders you know uh it's just regular people yeah it feels really grassroots i mean there's really

00:06:35.540 no political organization behind it at this point it's just people who have just had enough

00:06:42.140 of uh the way they're treated within confederation i want to ask you about premier daniel smith's

00:06:49.120 address to the province because on the outside looking in i know she's she's the premier of the

00:06:55.940 province and she's you know of course if you're the premier of the province you are by nature a

00:07:01.080 federalist but she did take that approach where she said these people are not fringe radicals on

00:07:08.400 either side of the debate they're your friends they're your neighbors they've had enough and they

00:07:13.640 have a different viewpoint of how to move forward i thought i thought that was something that we

00:07:20.260 haven't quite heard uh from political leadership in this country we saw how justin trudeau demonized

00:07:26.920 people who didn't think like him and we see right now how former premier jason kenney is running

00:07:33.140 around social media demonizing the separatist movement i think honestly underestimating albertans

00:07:39.580 anger once again i think he did that once but i just wanted to get your comments on premier smith's

00:07:46.220 address to the province about allowing uh albertans to have a fair shot at a referendum

00:07:52.620 yeah well that's a very significant step forward from a historical perspective we've never had something

00:07:59.480 like this in terms of the separatist movement you know we've never been this close to a referendum

00:08:04.460 and having a premier who's willing to allow citizen initiative to create the referendum we've never

00:08:10.940 had that before and there is right now momentum for that citizen initiative referendum so it's quite

00:08:15.480 likely that that will you know happen in the next few months or a year or so and so i think that's

00:08:20.060 very significant for her to say that and also for her as you mentioned to say that these are just

00:08:24.360 regular people let's not demonize each other and i say that for you know people on the other side as

00:08:27.980 well like there's no reason to demonize we can rationally talk about these things because they

00:08:31.640 are rational issues about how do we deal with the federal government when we're under attack and i

00:08:36.460 did very much like the part of her speech where she listed the various attacks that alberta has

00:08:42.160 suffered over the last 10 years like she did a very good job of just summarizing why people are angry

00:08:47.040 so much of her address i i was very favorable towards of course i'm for independence and she's for

00:08:52.840 federalism or remaining within canada so that's where we would differ but much of her address was

00:08:57.840 very positive i think and i think it's very helpful for moving us forward in this political situation

00:09:03.540 to that kind of goals that we need to achieve yeah it doesn't have to melt our entire society down

00:09:10.740 to have these conversations and i think that is one of the things that sets us apart as albertans

00:09:16.640 is that we can engage in this civil discourse with our friends and neighbors without deciding that

00:09:23.600 they are both evil and wrong as as we've seen from the federal government when people say things that

00:09:30.300 they might disagree with you know we've had our prime minister wondering if there should be space in

00:09:35.100 society for for people who disagree with him like what what are you going to do to us launch us into the

00:09:40.060 surface of the moon like what what do you we live here we're from here um now i want to talk to you

00:09:46.140 michael about the history of separatism i am in my mid-40s and i cannot and maybe i am in a bubble i'm a rural

00:09:55.800 albertan farmer strong ties to the oil patch so maybe i'm not the i am a stereotype i get it i get it

00:10:04.680 but as long as i can remember separatism has been just in the background and then in the forefront but

00:10:11.600 all always around when did this start

00:10:15.060 well really it started under pierre trudeau like when we go back to the history of alberta

00:10:22.280 there's always been discontent on the prairies with the federal government like right from the

00:10:26.060 very beginning like for more than 100 years so during the early 20th century there were lots of

00:10:30.200 reform movements like farmers movements and during the 20s the federal progressive party of

00:10:34.460 canada was the dominant party on the on the prairies you know because people here turned to

00:10:38.720 alternative parties they turned away from mainstream parties these were ways of dealing

00:10:42.080 with their concerns with central canada and you know that went on throughout much of the 20th

00:10:45.880 century but but there was no movement for independence until pierre trudeau came into power

00:10:50.940 so he i call him the father of the alberta separatist movement because he created it through his policies

00:10:55.500 like first with the official languages act which you know made french more prominent here than ever

00:10:59.680 before now that was kind of minor but that was kind of the trigger for the first few people to

00:11:03.400 create organizations but the big change happened in 1973 there was a war in the

00:11:08.320 middle east and the price of oil skyrocketed it went from about three dollars a barrel to about

00:11:12.960 twelve dollars a barrel in just a few weeks so this was the beginning of the energy crisis

00:11:16.280 so pierre trudeau because alberta was going to be raking in so much money from its oil finally

00:11:21.220 pierre trudeau put an export tax on oil so that alberta's oil exported to the united states much of

00:11:26.340 that revenue would go to the federal government now that was unprecedented in canadian history

00:11:30.140 and our premier peter lougheed called it the biggest ripoff in confederation history because the

00:11:35.720 federal government was taking money from alberta's this was our resource we should be getting the

00:11:38.920 money but trudeau also put a lower price on oil in canada than the world price so whether alberta

00:11:44.720 sold its oil to the united states or whether we sold the oil within canada we were getting much

00:11:48.920 less than what we should have so throughout the 1970s you know our premier peter lougheed was fighting

00:11:53.420 with trudeau over oil pricing alberta was getting you know pretty good revenue but we were a lot of that

00:11:58.260 revenue was going to the federal government that shouldn't have and then um you know there was a a federal

00:12:03.540 election in 1980 where pierre trudeau was coming back and during that election campaign and this

00:12:07.680 is very significant you know the liberals explicitly campaigned against alberta during that campaign

00:12:11.820 it was the most regionally divisive political campaign in canadian history i think it's a very

00:12:16.300 it's a significant precedent you know where the famous line from keith davey the liberal campaign

00:12:20.920 activist was screw the west will take the rest and that's what they did and so right after they 0.59

00:12:25.800 were re-elected with that divisive election they brought in the national energy program and that was the

00:12:30.460 biggest trigger of all for the organization of the separatist movement in alberta like that's when

00:12:34.660 it went big for the really for the really big for the first time and we ended up with you know in

00:12:39.900 1982 there was a by-election where the western canada concept party elected one of their members to

00:12:45.360 the alberta legislature he was the first and only separatist ever elected in western canada because of

00:12:49.180 that uproar of the national energy program and because of pierre trudeau now after pierre trudeau ended up

00:12:54.880 leaving of course in 1984 and eventually he's replaced by brian marooney and the movement started to die

00:12:59.140 out because we thought well all of alberta's members of parliament with were with the progressive

00:13:03.200 conservative party and brian marooney was a progressive conservative prime minister so

00:13:06.560 everything is going to be fine for the west now he's going to get rid of the national energy program

00:13:09.600 and so on but there was a very significant event in 1986 canada had bought the cf-18 fighter jets

00:13:15.100 and they those needed to be maintained by particular facilities and there was only two

00:13:19.180 cities in canada with those facilities winnipeg and montreal so the government held a competition to see

00:13:24.220 which city would best maintain the cf-18 fighter jets so according to the government's criteria

00:13:30.300 winnipeg won the contract so marooney awarded it to montreal obviously for political considerations

00:13:36.680 so that created a very big uproar in the west and that led to the creation of the reform party of canada

00:13:42.400 because people were so fed up i mean it was it was one thing for trudeau to be beating up on us

00:13:46.460 but we felt betrayed because we had voted for this guy marooney and he backstabbed us so it led to a

00:13:52.520 very high intensity of discontent with the federal government to the point where the reform party was

00:13:56.880 created and in 1993 that when you know most of the seats in alberta and many seats in western canada

00:14:01.600 and you know the idea of the reform party was the west wants in and i really think that is the genuine

00:14:07.660 feeling of most albertans even those who you know right now are supporting independence the west has

00:14:13.280 always wanted a voice in the national government that's been our complaint right from the very beginning

00:14:16.960 they don't listen to us the senate is set up so that we don't have a voice in the national

00:14:21.260 institutions and so that's why the reform party and others promoted the triple e senate a senate

00:14:26.440 that would be elected by the people with equal number of senators from each province and would

00:14:30.640 have effective powers like if we had a senate like that for canada western voices would be heard in

00:14:34.880 the national government we wouldn't be shut out and we wouldn't feel the need to leave but you know

00:14:38.960 eastern canada was not interested in reforming the senate and that was one of the you know one of

00:14:42.880 the lessons we learned from the reform party is they don't want the west end the people in the east

00:14:46.780 don't want the west end and they don't want to reform our institutions but but i do think that

00:14:50.680 like in our heart of hearts most westerners would be happy with the west wants in with a solution like

00:14:55.420 that rather than becoming independent but that's not an option to us anymore like we tried that

00:14:59.740 you know the reform party shows that westerners will work very very hard to make canada work but

00:15:05.720 if we don't get cooperation from people in the east we can't make canada work for our you know

00:15:09.880 it doesn't benefit us at all like we don't get our voice heard so it's kind of like it's kind of like

00:15:14.400 the separatist movement is the final step step it's the this the only other option we have we

00:15:19.320 don't have anything else we can we can accept the status quo of the liberal government beating up on

00:15:23.460 us or we can go independent like there's no middle ground although that's what danielle smith is trying 1.00

00:15:28.240 to reach that middle ground you know well good luck to her but but but there's decades of history to

00:15:34.040 show that that's not going to work so one of the things about pierre trudeau is he's the one who made

00:15:38.960 separatism credible in alberta before 1980 when surveys were done about support for separatism

00:15:44.700 the survey results were always single digits like you know four five six percent or something like

00:15:48.900 that but since 1980 all of the polls that i'm aware of show at least double digit support it might be as

00:15:54.320 low as 15 16 percent in the early days but it's very common you know throughout the 90s and more

00:15:59.240 recently to get at least 20 support even 25 or more percent support for separatism so it was trudeau's

00:16:05.060 government that gave separatism credibility in alberta a credibility it never had before

00:16:09.660 so now people talk about it it's not some kind of wacko idea like going to the moon or something

00:16:14.060 it's something that many albertans are familiar with and you know before 1980 it was not taken

00:16:19.600 seriously at all even though there were organizations that were going it was trudeau himself with his

00:16:23.920 national energy program that gave credibility to the independence movement and made it a permanent

00:16:28.400 feature of alberta's political culture so uh i think i might have drifted away from your question

00:16:32.800 here but but i just wanted to you know give a bit of that history there and explain that we've tried

00:16:37.440 so hard the west has tried so hard you know with senate reform and political reform and stuff over

00:16:42.480 several decades you know it's not a thing that happened yesterday and so this is why you know

00:16:46.160 people who say we're upset because we lost one election that that is so trivializing what we're

00:16:50.680 really concerned about you know we've had decades and decades of of um things that have been done to

00:16:55.980 us that we that's built up frustration that we have frustration that's built up over several

00:16:59.820 decades and it's kind of like that election was the last straw you know what i mean they don't want

00:17:04.100 us in they don't want us they don't want to conserve a government that would better represent our our

00:17:07.780 interests and so it's it's it's kind of decades of frustration that have been set off by that

00:17:13.140 election loss so it's not just the election in itself that has created this current support for

00:17:17.460 independence in alberta

00:17:18.460 well and you know i remember in the 90s there was sort of this percolating separatist sentiment

00:17:26.060 and then stephen harper gets elected that whole west wants in and then we're in and we get 10

00:17:32.460 years of strong stable government but now we've ended up right back where we started and i think

00:17:37.580 you know that really is for a lot of people who are a little bit longer in the tooth like me

00:17:42.380 this has been a catalyst like look we tried it your way we're we're fighting in the courts we're doing

00:17:48.160 everything we can we literally cannot vote any more conservative out here we can't give you any

00:17:54.440 more mps there's nothing we can do like we've got conservative mps winning with 86 of the vote

00:18:02.320 and that's still it it doesn't mean anything at the end of the day in the national government we still

00:18:07.660 get stuck with the election being called before the ballots are even not even done being counting but

00:18:15.480 before the polling stations are closed in the west

00:18:19.540 absolutely like we it's been that way for such a long time so many federal elections

00:18:29.640 we've known the results before you know our our um our voting stations are closed because

00:18:35.200 the election results are essentially we know what the results are as soon as the ontario finishes voting

00:18:40.540 all it takes is eastern canada i mean they're the those are the votes that count the most quebec and

00:18:45.060 ontario and so once they finish voting they tell us what kind of government we're going to end up with

00:18:48.680 you know and and so many westerners have felt frustrated by that that's it it shows us that

00:18:53.760 we're not really having a voice in the national government because we've already the government's

00:18:58.440 already elected before they count our votes so we don't really count in that sense you know what i mean

00:19:02.880 and it's part of the frustration that many westerners have felt for decades that there there's no way that

00:19:09.280 we can get our voice heard in the national government

00:19:11.240 now i want to ask you about the i don't i don't know what to call it shut up a re 0.62

00:19:19.020 directed at alberta every time we even muse about separation because quebec has a federal party

00:19:27.920 dedicated to it everybody takes them seriously they're included in the national leaders debates

00:19:32.880 they have a provincial party dedicated to it everybody takes them seriously apparently they have a veto

00:19:38.540 over what alberta can and can't do with regard to our oil um they have an entire cultural that is

00:19:45.340 culture that is infused with separatism they have separatist artists and separatist tv shows and uh

00:19:52.460 every time we even think about like hey maybe we might be okay going it alone we're just told that it is

00:19:59.620 not doable and that we're we're crazy people and i think it that is one of the glaring inequities

00:20:07.360 of this country and it's one of the reasons we want to leave it's because we we can't even be

00:20:11.960 treated the same way as the other provinces particularly the other one that well at least

00:20:16.180 threatens to go from time to time

00:20:18.440 no you're you're absolutely right i mean quebec separatism has been taken very seriously

00:20:27.440 you know since at least the 1960s if not before and even you know pierre trudeau one of his main

00:20:32.640 reasons for getting involved in politics was to help to keep quebec within canada by by making

00:20:37.720 changes within canada so they're always taken seriously as you say and we're not we're just

00:20:41.560 considered to be a bunch of wacko radicals and all it does is contribute to the frustration that we feel

00:20:47.480 like maybe if they took us seriously and addressed our concerns maybe we wouldn't feel this way you

00:20:53.080 know it's not like we would necessarily get everything we want within canada but how about just

00:20:57.520 like treating us like we're equal citizens you know what i mean like uh certainly quebecers are 1.00

00:21:01.740 treated very well and uh you know even you know quebec had two independence referendums and they

00:21:07.500 both failed and people say what happens if it fails well they didn't uh you know it didn't set

00:21:12.440 quebec back when they lost those referendums they did not lose power in the central government

00:21:16.900 it almost made it seem like the federal government would bend over backwards you know to cater to them

00:21:22.660 even more than they were before so um they're they're taken seriously even when they lose even

00:21:27.080 when their referendums are lost they're taken very seriously and that and the government federal

00:21:31.060 government bends over backwards to try and make them feel at home within canada and they won't

00:21:35.040 even take us seriously you know even when we just talk about it or bring up the issues like i say even

00:21:39.580 with reform party that was our mps had those issues and we're bringing them to ottawa they still

00:21:44.340 wouldn't take them seriously and they didn't even take the reform party seriously you know what i mean

00:21:47.940 they didn't get the proper credit that they deserve for the representation of western interests

00:21:52.040 in in ottawa so it doesn't matter what we do like even if we send our best people as members of

00:21:57.440 parliament you know we still you know can't get taken seriously in ottawa you know even stephen

00:22:02.520 harper let me just throw this in he tried to reform the senate like as prime minister he would

00:22:06.860 introduce bills into the house of commons in the senate to try and bring senate reform because he did

00:22:11.140 actually believe in that but even as prime minister he couldn't get those bills through you know and

00:22:15.760 you think if the prime minister of canada cannot get bills through that will help the west

00:22:20.340 like who could it's just that's kind of like the end of the road that's our top guy he can't do it

00:22:25.860 nobody else can do it we're just left with one final option and that is for us to pursue independence

00:22:30.520 that's what i believe michael if if people want to learn more about the history of western separatism

00:22:37.180 tell people how they can get your book i have your book um but i know it's on amazon and i think it is

00:22:43.740 a required reading for i think albertans who are considering our future going forward our friends

00:22:49.800 in saskatchewan who actually seem to be a little bit more separatist than us but more quiet about it

00:22:53.940 um and the rest of the country so that they can understand why we're so mad and why so many of us

00:23:01.180 just aren't going to take it anymore yeah so my book that advocates for albert independence is called

00:23:07.020 no other option self-determination for alberta and that's available on amazon.ca so if you if they

00:23:13.400 search no other option or my name that should come up there's another book previously that i mentioned

00:23:17.280 that came up that i did uh called alberta separatism than now which is actually history um it's not

00:23:22.540 available on amazon but it's available from a small homeschooling business in alberta called

00:23:26.800 merchant ship so if you go to merchant ship.ca you'll you'll be able to get alberta separatism than

00:23:32.040 and now and actually they have my other books there as well but but if someone just wants no

00:23:35.140 other option that's available from amazon and so that's easy for them to get there

00:23:38.480 michael thanks so much for taking the time to come on the show and fitting me into your very busy

00:23:44.460 schedule as an expert in alberta separatism uh you're suddenly very high in demand and i know

00:23:50.780 we're going to talk again very soon great thanks very much it's so good to be on your show

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00:24:37.940 algorithms it puts us in front of more eyeballs all right so we've got a couple of gun show letters

00:24:45.060 today from the email bag jeff writes to me and says doug ford is a true red liberal and will

00:24:53.220 continually suck up to carny yeah we saw that if you watched the intro to the show i showed doug ford 0.54

00:25:00.260 doing the thing doing the thing we're all mad about uh an ontario-based progressive politician 0.98

00:25:08.140 telling western conservatives to shut up and quit being so selfish anyway one thing that ford did that

00:25:16.520 really stands out is that he is red is his strong mayor's legislation yeah he gave more powers to the

00:25:23.280 cities and we know that a lot of the climate alarmism comes out of the cities you know ottawa has a huge

00:25:31.540 budget for this um and ottawa i mean the city not ottawa the place where the federal government is

00:25:37.520 and calgary has an enormous like billions of dollars in this stuff and so when you give extra powers over

00:25:45.240 to them to just waste money on madness where's the the check on power there that really says doug wants

00:25:54.340 to get rid of our democratic right to vote in our representatives it wouldn't surprise me that the fix was

00:25:59.760 in on our last federal election i'm not sure you know i don't know if the fix was in but i think it was

00:26:06.980 gerrymandered from the beginning you know uh proroguing parliament long enough for the liberals to replace

00:26:16.260 mark carney mark carney then turning his ire to the americans because he can't campaign on the liberal

00:26:23.260 record which was his record and then being anti-trump and then showing up in the white house to

00:26:30.360 thank trump for handing him the election and to uh commend trump on his leadership when during the

00:26:39.180 campaign carney's like our relationship with the americans is over as we know it and maybe we should

00:26:45.040 become europeans so like give me a break uh something ain't quite right and i think a lot of

00:26:53.640 people were had um but they should also should have known better anyways let's keep going i fully

00:27:00.700 support the ctf and what they try to achieve so get involved everyone the ctf that's the canadian

00:27:07.940 taxpayers federation needs all of us to help them yeah they are a big reason why we don't have a

00:27:13.860 consumer carbon tax right now is their advocacy on behalf of canadians and telling canadians what the

00:27:21.820 carbon tax was actually doing to them what it meant on your grocery bill what it meant every time you

00:27:27.360 filled up your car while the liberals were out there saying oh no no you're going to take back

00:27:32.900 more money than you give us as if as if the government's ever done that well everybody that's

00:27:39.640 the show for today thank you so much for tuning in i'll see everybody back here in the same time

00:27:43.260 in the same place next week and as always don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to

00:27:48.460 think

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Rebel News Podcast - May 07, 2025

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Western Separation： How We Got Here — And Why It’s Not Going Away

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