Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ What really happened at the Trucker Commission？

00:00:00.000 Justin Trudeau is skating on the single largest civil liberties violation of Canadians in, I think,

00:00:06.560 our lifetimes. Is anybody surprised? I'm definitely not. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:30.000 In a completely unsurprising turn of events, Friday morning, Justice Paul Rouleau ruled that

00:00:38.600 the invocation of the Emergencies Act was completely justified in dealing with the

00:00:45.740 completely peaceful Freedom Convoy to Ottawa last February, so February 2022. For those of you who

00:00:53.240 don't know, and I don't know how you couldn't, the Freedom Convoy was a movement spawned by

00:00:58.680 a cross-border vaccine mandate for truckers, but it was joined by thousands of Canadians

00:01:03.280 who saw this as the catalyst for change. They came by the thousands from all across the country

00:01:12.620 to the nation's public square, Ottawa, to protest for an end to COVID restrictions. There were also

00:01:19.300 satellite protests at border locations across the country, Coutts, Alberta, Windsor, Ontario,

00:01:25.800 Emerson, Manitoba, and in British Columbia. Now, the protests, all of the protests were peaceful

00:01:34.340 unless you counted the violence against the demonstrators. They had eggs thrown at them. 0.84

00:01:39.780 They were beaten by police. They were pepper sprayed. They were unlawfully detained, kidnapped,

00:01:45.200 really, snatched and grabbed and dropped off out of town by police.

00:01:48.900 Um, and they had their bank accounts frozen by the prime minister who invoked martial law suspending

00:01:57.340 their civil liberties to dissipate what I think was the most effective opposition that Justin Trudeau

00:02:05.340 had ever faced since taking office in 2015. He embarrassed them. And the use of that law,

00:02:14.080 the Emergencies Act, martial law, was officially examined by the Public Order Emergency Commission,

00:02:19.840 what we call the Trucker Commission here at Rebel News. And it was a fact-finding mission,

00:02:24.480 a transparency mission, where they would lay bare the decision-making process and decide,

00:02:31.580 did the bouncy castles, the boisterous street parties, the street cleanups, the feeding the homeless,

00:02:36.860 and the sometimes errant horn honking in the nation's capital, did the inconvenience of having

00:02:45.120 a weeks-long protest in the nation's capital amount to a national security issue akin to

00:02:51.680 a Pearl Harbor or a 9-11 level attack? And as it turns out, embarrassing Justin Trudeau is,

00:02:58.700 according to Justice Paul Rouleau, as bad as 9-11. That's the decision he made. It's outlandish,

00:03:04.740 it's wrong, but that's the decision he made. There was a point at which I knew the fix was in.

00:03:09.620 I'll explain that later on in the interview with my guest tonight. My guest tonight is actually

00:03:14.820 someone who sat there for six weeks and documented the Public Order Emergency Commission. And from

00:03:21.700 that documentation came his new documentary. It's called Trudeau on Trial. And my guest tonight is my

00:03:27.600 chief documentarian here at Rebel News and my good friend, Kian Simone. Take a listen to the

00:03:33.840 interview we recorded yesterday afternoon. We're talking about why he made the new documentary

00:03:39.080 and why he thinks that Justice Paul Rouleau ruled the way he did. Check it out.

00:03:53.120 Joining me now is our chief documentary filmmaker based in Calgary, but unfortunately from Toronto,

00:03:59.200 Kian Simone, Kian, thanks for joining me. I want to have you on to, well, whenever you do something

00:04:04.880 new, I want to have you on. But I want to talk to you specifically about your new documentary,

00:04:09.180 Trudeau on Trial, which has had two sold out showings, one in Edmonton, one in Calgary.

00:04:15.020 This documents really the Public Order Emergency Commission. And you spent six weeks in Ottawa,

00:04:23.260 away from your family doing this. I guess, first of all, why did you think it was so important for you

00:04:28.540 to be there? Because you didn't necessarily have to be there there. You could have watched it from

00:04:33.280 afar. But why was it so important to be, you know, within walking distance of that commission room?

00:04:39.340 You know, my heart was broken when I didn't get the call to go to Ottawa. And I, there's something

00:04:45.120 in my heart. I knew I was the right guy to do something with this. I, you know, I was really sad

00:04:53.660 one night and I knew I needed to do something. And that was the same night that I got the call

00:05:00.920 from Ezra saying, hey, I think there's something going on in Coots. And I'll always remember what

00:05:05.960 Ezra said is that if a tree falls in the forest, is anybody there to hear it? If truckers go block

00:05:10.340 the border in Coots, Alberta, without Kian Simone and Sidney Fazzard, would anybody even know what

00:05:14.820 happened? And I knew from there that, you know, just being somebody who can bear the weight of the

00:05:25.140 pressure of that, I knew that I needed to follow the story to the very end. And the commission was

00:05:31.560 that it was the closure that Canadians needed, that reporters needed to the end of the story. So

00:05:39.880 I wasn't going to sit home, um, watching the commission online when, when I knew that

00:05:46.300 someone needed to be there that could bear the weight of, um, like you said, being away from my

00:05:53.480 family for six weeks. And at least I wasn't sleeping in a car this time. Yeah. Yeah. When you, and you

00:05:59.960 know, it's, as I say it, I mean, when you think about what Tamara Leach continues to go through and some

00:06:06.520 of the other people who are involved in the convoy who still are in extreme legal jeopardy still,

00:06:12.600 it's not too much to ask for us to go there to make sure that the fulsome story is told,

00:06:22.580 because I think there is no other side of the story here. There's the mainstream media's version

00:06:27.040 of this and the truth. Yeah, that's, that's exactly right. You kind of made me feel bad there for

00:06:34.780 tuning my own. Me too. I've been in a car and now I'm remembering Tamara spent 48 days in jail. 0.99

00:06:41.240 Um, yeah. And you know, as I was said in our documentary screening, we're, we're filming

00:06:45.740 this on Tuesday morning and we had a documentary screening in Sherwood Park, Alberta on Monday

00:06:50.080 night. And I spent not as definitely not as much time as you in Ottawa, but I did watch from afar and

00:06:58.040 I was there for a little bit. And when I was there, I noticed that the journalists never left

00:07:03.860 the media room. They stayed in their cloistered little hovel of a media room where all they did

00:07:11.460 was talk to each other about the things that were happening in the commission room, but never actually

00:07:17.360 went and sat in the commission room. And the commission room was where the news was happening.

00:07:23.200 It was where the witnesses were, where you could see the anguish on the face of the witnesses.

00:07:27.780 Like some of it was palpable. Um, you know, when you had, uh, people who were talking about being

00:07:34.740 snatched and grabbed and basically kidnapped by the police and taken out of town, you could,

00:07:39.580 you could hear their pain. You could, you could almost reach out and touch the reasons why these

00:07:45.320 people came to Ottawa and yet the media never crossed the hall, but you guys were there. You guys were

00:07:52.320 sitting in that place the whole time. You know, Sheila, you, uh, I've heard you say that a few

00:07:56.760 times now at the shows and whenever we do interviews about this or when we talk in, uh, on our own. Um,

00:08:02.460 I actually spent most of my time in that room with the media. I just want to put that out there because

00:08:06.540 that's where I had to work. I couldn't work in the commission room, but I did hop over when,

00:08:11.060 um, the, the more notable characters in the story, um, were there, but you're right. And they, they,

00:08:17.120 they chose to be in that media room and every morning they would walk in and it would be CBC

00:08:22.260 first and CTV the next day. They'd bring in Timbits for each other and they'd walk around the room and

00:08:26.720 give each other Timbits. And only once did global news ask me if I wanted to Timbit. And I will

00:08:31.380 remember that. Um, but that's what, that's what it was. They're, they're, they're all friends and

00:08:36.320 they all just, they, they, they leave all the independent reporters out of it. Like Western Standard

00:08:40.460 never got a Timbit either. Um, and I just kind of use that as an analogy of, of what the, you know,

00:08:45.680 people share stories and people share like ideas and bounce stuff off each other. And that's all

00:08:50.640 that they were doing in there. Um, and that's just from like a strict reporter angle of it,

00:08:54.720 not necessarily the, the feelings kind, because when Tamara Leach was, um, uh, testifying, none of

00:09:03.120 them got up and went in to go see what, what they were, what she was, what she had to say. But when

00:09:08.480 when that, um, when that, when the man, um, collapsed on, on, on the podium, um, I've never

00:09:16.240 seen Glenn McGregor run so fast. And I'm like, I'm like, dude, this isn't like news. I was like,

00:09:22.200 this is like a crisis, you know, like ambulance chasing. Yeah. I was like, let's make sure this

00:09:27.120 guy is okay before we run in and block the door so that people can't get in and out, which is what

00:09:32.420 all they were, they were doing. And that just kind of shows the mentality of what they were there for is

00:09:36.240 that they, they weren't there to hear people's stories and they were there to, um, get their

00:09:41.560 own closure, which I'm sure we'll get into that. They got. Yeah. Yeah. Let's get into that. So

00:09:46.940 as I said, we're recording this on Tuesday on Friday morning, we heard that Justin Trudeau,

00:09:54.360 according to justice, Paul Rouleau was completely justified in invoking a wartime law as lawyer,

00:10:04.600 Brendan Miller puts it martial law in this country to deal with bounty castles, hot tubs,

00:10:13.460 street parties, feeding the homeless and some errand honking now and then.

00:10:19.860 And I think you're right when you say that that's exactly what the mainstream media wanted,

00:10:25.880 but I don't think it is the right conclusion.

00:10:28.260 And they're not really even talking about the point that, um, justice Rouleau said it was, uh,

00:10:34.280 justified because of all of the miscommunication and the, the, uh, the government incompetence of

00:10:40.320 being able to deal with the situation. Like if you kind of, if I, when I take a step out of it and I

00:10:45.040 think like, okay, you have the most incompetent government Canada has ever had. Um, and they have

00:10:50.860 no idea what's going on. They're obviously scared, not about national security, but just about their image.

00:10:55.700 And they have no idea what to do. The cops are trying to work with the protesters, but the Ottawa

00:11:00.340 police won't. And there's a whole miscommunication there. And it's like, okay, what the hell can we

00:11:04.440 do? We can evoke the emergencies act and kind of just put a stop to this right now. And that's

00:11:09.060 essentially what happened. Um, taking a step back at looking, getting out of the politics of it.

00:11:14.500 And, and that's what Rouleau said, you know what, what else were you going to do? Um, and it was weird

00:11:19.680 that justice Rouleau never really, uh, looked at the fact that, you know, maybe he should have,

00:11:24.120 maybe they should have talked to the protesters. Maybe there was a little bit of resolution that

00:11:27.940 could have happened there. So they're both in the same mindset of, okay, what, what can we do

00:11:32.160 right now to end this? Because it's obviously going on too, too long. And, uh, and that's just the kind

00:11:38.560 of, uh, what I got out of it is that, um, they were looking at it from that point of view, rather

00:11:43.540 than the actual way of how they could have fixed something.

00:11:46.200 Yeah. It, it seems as though that the peaceful protesters in Ottawa who did their best to try

00:11:53.780 to do everything right, were forced to pay for the consequences of the government's incompetence.

00:11:59.320 And it seems to me as though justice Rouleau ignored the fact that the blockades at Windsor

00:12:06.980 had already been resolved. The blockades in Alberta had already been resolved. And there was an,

00:12:13.040 a deal actively struck between the protesters and the city of Ottawa to move trucks. And it was

00:12:21.660 already happening in good faith. And what stopped the movement of, of the trucks out of the downtown

00:12:27.800 core was the invocation of the emergencies act because it caused the redeployment of police resources.

00:12:34.080 So, you know, when they say, you know, we had, we had to deal with this because we didn't have

00:12:38.020 resources. No, you just needed time. Time would have resolved all of this.

00:12:43.040 Yeah. And that's, uh, I put that in the documentary, um, of, of how that was really

00:12:50.020 just like the catalyst of, uh, the insane things that were about to come. It was the

00:12:55.100 catalyst of miscommunication. It was, um, where OPP was, um, talking about how the Ottawa

00:13:03.020 police, it was chief slowly and interim chief bell. Um, I forgot his position at the time

00:13:07.820 while they made the announcement of how, um, they were basically talking about how they were

00:13:12.160 going to crack down on the protesters. And the OPP, uh, was testifying at the emergency

00:13:16.140 act saying like, I don't know what the hell they were talking about. One, uh, why would

00:13:20.260 we do that? Two, um, we couldn't do that. And three, um, we didn't want to do that.

00:13:25.980 And it was just, it was just that plan breaking apart because of the, uh, federal government

00:13:31.560 and the Ottawa police, not the Ontario provincial police, um, really was that the catalyst of what,

00:13:37.100 what came down to, uh, what we saw, uh, the events of the horses and the, we all, we all

00:13:43.080 know what happened. Yeah. You know, to their credit, the OPP were very level headed. I forget

00:13:49.600 the, um, one member of the OPP, but he said he had real concerns that the Ottawa police wanted

00:13:57.600 his people to participate in things that he was not sure were legal. And he didn't want

00:14:03.420 any involvement in it. He didn't want to hurt the protesters. He wanted a resolution and he thought

00:14:09.780 maybe there was a police resolution or maybe there was a negotiated resolution, but he was not going

00:14:15.380 to allow OPP members to participate in things that he thought would violate the civil liberties of

00:14:20.300 Canadians, like the aforementioned snatch and grabs. You know, it's a, it's a pretty hot take and I

00:14:25.940 might get some dirt for this, but I, I really don't think the OPP did anything wrong. Um, from the

00:14:30.820 very beginning, I thought they were calm and cool. Their intelligence apparatus was, uh, it was very

00:14:37.020 on, on the point. It said exactly. It was, it was a profit of what was to come. They said on January

00:14:44.360 14th, that this protest is going to come there and it's going to stay there. And nobody read that

00:14:49.200 report. And January 28th, it said, okay, you know, these are really cool people. We had a few, um, not

00:14:54.680 cool people. These are really level headed people. We had a few mishaps on the highways here,

00:14:58.500 there. Um, but really it was bystanders standing on the highway when they shouldn't be like,

00:15:02.980 that's not a national security threat. Um, their intelligence apparatus throughout the entire

00:15:07.680 thing with their Hendon reports, which was, uh, basically, um, just a report that was given to

00:15:13.480 all police agencies around of, of, uh, collecting all the information from online. And it's a, it's a

00:15:20.840 very important report. I think too, um, Brendan Miller, um, brought it up in the documentary as well

00:15:25.440 about how, um, you know, when people say crazy things online, like you do have to kind

00:15:29.300 of take that into effect and, and kind of put it together and assess the threat, which

00:15:33.900 is the police's job. Um, and I think that they did that perfectly. And, um, from what

00:15:39.440 we know of the Hendon reports, they never blew it out of the water. They never put anything

00:15:44.240 in there that was, uh, like obviously a lie and kind of made it seem like, or obviously

00:15:49.720 somebody extreme, some, some grandma online, uh, they never made that like blew that up

00:15:54.880 to be, uh, what the, what the protests represented. So I really do hand it to the OPP. And like

00:16:00.600 you said, during the commission, they were really cool, level-headed, um, none of them,

00:16:04.500 uh, attested to or, or testified to a threat. Um, and they, they were there basically to just

00:16:11.420 call out the federal government and they're in their own ways without, uh, making it political.

00:16:16.560 Oh, likewise, calling out the, uh, Ottawa police for the, for the absolute chaos, uh, taking

00:16:23.680 place on the ground. Now, uh, let's get into the documentary. Tell us the Coles notes version

00:16:30.460 of what the documentary is about. It's about the public order commission, but you've broken

00:16:35.800 it down into some pretty digestible chunks by chapter.

00:16:39.840 Yeah. So to first off answer the question, um, my job as a filmmaker is to ask a question.

00:16:46.560 Um, and every good documentary is, is about asking a question. There's something called

00:16:51.480 the complex of a documentary. There's a science to it. And just a quick rant. Um, if you go

00:16:56.300 watch the documentary Finding Neverland about Michael Jackson, um, molesting children, you

00:17:01.140 will believe that Michael Jackson molested children. But if you go watch the other documentary

00:17:04.980 about how Michael Jackson didn't, um, molest children, you will be sick at the first documentary

00:17:10.180 and you will now believe that he did not molest children. Uh, whether whichever is true, I,

00:17:14.560 I, I didn't, I don't care. Um, it's about what the documentary is, is basically presenting

00:17:19.720 and how good it's presenting it. Um, so as a filmmaker, when I was there, when I would hear

00:17:25.500 the lawyers, uh, Keith Wilson, Eva Chipiuk and Brendan Miller talk about what their plan

00:17:30.580 was, it was, they had a checklist of, uh, things that they wanted to basically check

00:17:35.680 off of each, uh, witness. And the first one and the most prominent one was, did the Emergencies

00:17:42.260 Act meet the threshold of CSIS 2, uh, CSIS Act, Section 2 of the CSIS Act? Messed that

00:17:47.920 one up. Um, and that basically is to say that there is a threat to national security. Therefore,

00:17:53.580 there is an emergency. Therefore, we need every tool in the toolbox, um, to deal with it. And the

00:18:00.220 documentary basically goes through each aspect of the convoy, um, to assess if there is a national

00:18:09.520 security threat within that. But on top of that, it also breaks down the Emergencies Act and how it

00:18:15.360 was used in every aspect of when it was evoked. Uh, so let's go to the first week of the commission,

00:18:22.200 which was, um, when we heard from Ottawa politicians, like local politicians, um, the

00:18:27.400 bureaucrats, like the city manager, chief of staff, and, uh, Ottawa residents, where, um, we heard the

00:18:34.640 famous reports of, uh, I don't even remember what they call it, phantom honking and phantom smells,

00:18:40.040 um, microaggressions, microaggressions. So what they did is they went there and they talked about their

00:18:46.980 feelings and they talked about how, you know, I would be very mad if a protest came into my neighbor

00:18:52.180 hood and did that for three weeks. Like rightly so you have every right to be pissed off. Um,

00:18:58.240 but that's not what the hearing is about. I don't know why they were there, uh, to talk about how

00:19:03.800 they still hear horns where they're trying to sleep, because that's not national security threat.

00:19:07.980 Um, that does not equate the truckers to terrorists. And so the, the, the, the first chapter is basically

00:19:13.700 breaking down the fact that, uh, this is kind of where we got the taste of it being kind of a show

00:19:18.460 trial. Um, nobody actually believed it was a show trial at that point. Um, I don't want to speak

00:19:23.760 for everybody, but I, I think it, in the vibe there was kind of like, okay, we, uh, we as the

00:19:28.920 collective, we as this kind of, uh, right way of thinking, uh, we know that we won now because,

00:19:35.060 uh, there's nobody here in the, in the presence of who lives in Ottawa can actually say that there

00:19:40.780 were terrorists there. Um, and then moving into the second week is when we heard from the

00:19:45.500 intelligence apparatus apparatus, apparatus, I'm not going to, apparatus, um, with all the police

00:19:51.820 forces and as well, the commissioners of every police force where, um, I guess the goal of Freedom

00:19:57.900 Corp, which is the, uh, the conglomerate of the lawyers for the truckers were there to basically

00:20:03.400 ask every single person in law enforcement, was there a threat to one national security? And was

00:20:09.840 there even a threat of violence? And that, like a threat of violence, it's, I mean, obviously,

00:20:15.040 you know, violence is terrible, but it's not a huge deal. Like it's not a, it's not a huge thing

00:20:23.360 as, as on scale towards what national security threat is. Yeah. And we have laws to deal with

00:20:28.780 violence against others, like assault, uttering threats that's out there. Battery, you don't need

00:20:35.240 extra tools to deal with those. And there weren't a lot of charges related to those things issued

00:20:40.900 during the course of the convoy to begin with. Yeah. You know, the, the worst you're going to

00:20:44.900 get is, uh, two protesters at night, you just had a few Bud lights and, you know, punch one punches 0.96

00:20:50.560 the other one in the face. Like that's not a national security threat. I don't even think that

00:20:53.800 happened. No. And, um, so that the documentary follows that kind of style throughout the weeks

00:21:00.760 and the, um, you know, my favorite week would be a week five when we kind of learned about the bank

00:21:05.520 account seizing. And we heard from Brenda Luckey. Uh, we, I kind of teased in, uh, Krista Freeland

00:21:11.240 because she kind of fits into that week. Um, but we also heard from global affairs who I didn't

00:21:16.180 even know existed until the, uh, commission where we heard that they just, they tried to justify the

00:21:21.960 emergencies act because our flag was being misrepresented and because it was being flown all around the

00:21:27.060 world as an act of rebellion, or it was, uh, they put it as it was an act of, uh, lawlessness.

00:21:32.760 Uh, if the Canadian flag was kind of equated to lawlessness. Um, and I, I remember, I just want

00:21:40.680 to tell a quick story about that. I remember the first, the first, uh, screening I was sitting

00:21:45.000 beside, uh, uncle hack from the danger cats and we were watching that, that scene of the, when, uh,

00:21:50.880 Cindy, uh, don't remember her last name, global affairs said that, um, the Canadian flag now means

00:21:56.740 an act of rebellion against, uh, vaccine mandates. And he screamed out, he's like, you're goddamn 0.99

00:22:02.280 right. It does. And everybody cheered. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was something else to see our flags 0.91

00:22:09.720 flown in Holland as the farmers revolted. There was for the first time, instead of us being looked

00:22:16.020 at as just nice lapdogs, we were the sign of resistance in the name of human rights out there.

00:22:22.980 And, you know, you, you often see American flags at protests, right? The Cubans flew it when they 0.89

00:22:29.760 were revolting against their government. You, you know, we saw it in Hong Kong. We saw the American

00:22:34.620 flags, um, as they fought as the CCP were taking the Island back. And it was a, for me, a point of pride

00:22:43.560 to see our flag flown at other human rights demonstrations. And it's funny that the federal

00:22:51.140 government saw it as offensive, um, because I guess they were the human rights violators in this

00:22:56.000 case. But, uh, the idea that because there's a brand damage related to the flag, that that would

00:23:05.140 constitute a national emergency. No, they heard the brand. They heard the flag. They got after the

00:23:12.340 emergencies act, you know, I didn't even want to look at the flag. Like I was heartbroken about my

00:23:16.340 own country. I remember, um, before I went to Coots, um, I was driving around in Calgary and there

00:23:23.580 was people flying Canadian flags, like outside of a protest. It was like a Tuesday afternoon.

00:23:28.760 People are going grocery shopping and they got their hockey stick with the Canadian flag. And

00:23:32.060 it like, it brings tears to your eyes when, um, you know, I would have never talked to that person

00:23:36.940 before. And then now that when they get out of their car and I'm walking into co-op with them,

00:23:40.880 I'd say, Hey, how's it going, man? Like it, it brought people together. And when the,

00:23:45.360 after the emergencies act, it just kind of did something different. They, they heard it for us.

00:23:50.460 They heard the reputation within domestically of what the flag means.

00:23:56.440 So Kean, what happens next? What does this mean? Are we divided? Do, does,

00:24:03.560 are we able to put this all behind us? Um, or are they like me? I knew the fix was in when I,

00:24:14.060 when Rouleau wouldn't make rulings on documents that were being, I, to use my words and not the

00:24:20.860 lawyers illegally, um, redacted and given to the lawyers as the witness related to the documents

00:24:28.480 was testifying. So there was no time for them to prove to prepare when Rouleau refused to rule on

00:24:35.160 that sort of stuff until it was too late. I knew the fix was in. So I guess what happens next? Do we

00:24:41.780 just continue on with our corrupt government? I guess we have to, but I guess what does this mean

00:24:48.420 for the people? Hypothetically, what I want to happen next, and I'll start off on a good,

00:24:54.560 hopeful basis here. I'm not mad that justice Rouleau said it was justified. Um, and I'm not

00:25:02.500 going to be the black pill here and be like, well, I knew it was going to happen. It was, I'm not

00:25:07.020 surprised. I'm just, I'm not mad at it because I just know how the Laurentian elites think. And like

00:25:12.820 I said before, it was all because of mismanagement, miscommunication and incompetence. We know they

00:25:17.800 mismanage. We know they don't communicate. We know they're incompetent. And if that's your

00:25:21.900 justification for invoking the emergencies act, fine, like I, fine, like I'll just put my foot

00:25:27.120 down, whatever, but you can make it right still by unredacting the legal opinion that, uh, justice

00:25:36.020 Lamedi gave, uh, to Justin Trudeau. You can make it right by unredacting some of their notes of what

00:25:41.980 they were talking about. So at least there is still transparency after so that we know why they

00:25:47.920 had to do it. We like now we know that is because they're incompetent. Like let's see the notes about 0.89

00:25:53.400 how incompetent that they were. Let's see that. And I think that that would heal some people that

00:25:59.120 were heartbroken about this. Um, that's this ruling that even if it went unjustified, it wouldn't

00:26:04.560 have mattered anyway. I think that we could really heal if we just get some of those documents that

00:26:10.580 were, were, uh, unlawfully redacted. Yeah. Especially when this was presented to us,

00:26:16.280 the public order emergency commission was prevent presented to us as a fact finding effort in

00:26:22.160 transparency. And at the very least, give us all the documents that's as transparent as I think

00:26:29.880 we're ever going to get and let people decide for themselves. I mean, I think a lot of people have

00:26:36.720 already decided for themselves. Either they think honking is terrorism or they watch the commission

00:26:41.660 and they live in reality and know that it wasn't, but let's, you cannot look at those documents

00:26:49.120 and come to an ignorant or ill-informed decision. It's one thing to, you know, hear the tone and

00:26:57.020 intonation of the witnesses. Maybe they meant to say it that way. Maybe they should have said it that

00:27:00.360 way. But when you read the notes, it's something completely different.

00:27:04.540 A hundred percent. And to, uh, kind of finish off on the, um, the point there of, of what I want to

00:27:10.440 happen and what I think could actually fix some of the situation here and, uh, give more people

00:27:15.620 more closure on, uh, as to what happened. Um, the recommendations that Justice Rouleau gave

00:27:23.060 was to, as you, as you've said before, uh, make it easier to invoke. And I think that's like one of

00:27:30.040 the scariest things that I've ever heard. Um, because not only if let's say he didn't do that,

00:27:34.280 it's still setting a precedent for what, uh, we can evoke a form of martial law over. And now that

00:27:41.060 there's, uh, easier to invoke. So let's say we're removing, um, section two of the CCS Act as a

00:27:47.320 threshold, uh, which I guess didn't matter anyway. Um, but now it's, they don't have to go through the

00:27:53.460 whole, uh, three IPG meetings and say, okay, how do we get around this? Can, what's our plan when we,

00:27:58.660 uh, need to lie about this? They can just do it. Like they can just put, push the big red button

00:28:04.980 that says nuclear on it and just invoke, invoke it whenever they want. Um, and I, I'm not going to,

00:28:12.220 uh, say that they're going to do that over small protests. I don't, uh, Christine Anderson said that

00:28:18.740 I give them too much credit when I say this. Um, I don't think that they'll do it again for a very

00:28:23.300 long time. Cause I don't think that they would, uh, have that kind of bonfire of what that would

00:28:28.420 do. Um, but I, I do think that there, there are small repercussions that come out of, um, the

00:28:33.380 precedent that is set and that trickles into Calgary on itself. And I, I brought this up at the screening

00:28:38.380 of how, uh, it is now illegal to protest against drag queen story hour. Um, that's wrong and that's

00:28:45.260 just plain wrong. It's against everything that I know, um, every right that I thought I had. Um,

00:28:51.260 um, and I, so I think that just the mentality of how to deal with, uh, quote unquote, right-wing

00:28:58.120 protests, or you can just call them protests for civil liberties that, um, have nothing to do with,

00:29:02.600 um, systemic racism. So anything other than that, uh, that that's how they're, they can deal with it

00:29:09.780 now. And, and Justin Trudeau set that precedent. Um, so emergencies act or no emergencies act, it's,

00:29:14.600 it's the, it's the small, um, things that trickle down from that.

00:29:19.680 If that makes sense.

00:29:22.180 Yeah, for sure. And for me, even if none of those recommendations are adopted, and I think

00:29:27.480 they're going to be adopted whole cloth, including, um, to monitor, monitor social media for appropriate

00:29:33.760 use, the government's going to tell me I can't make jokes on the internet. Okay. Good luck. Take

00:29:39.980 me straight to jail. Um, but even if none of those are adopted, I think what happened last February

00:29:47.620 has put a chill across Canadians because they see what happened to Tamera Leach. They see what

00:29:56.160 happened to Tom Muratso. They see what happened to so many people who had their bank accounts frozen.

00:30:01.560 They couldn't make payroll. They couldn't pay their mortgage. They couldn't buy their groceries.

00:30:04.900 And for what? Because they stood up peacefully to their government. It, you could, a lot of people,

00:30:12.140 there are a lot of people who are, who are willing to say, I wouldn't change a thing to

00:30:16.780 Tamera Leach said that last night. I wouldn't change a thing, but there are a lot of people

00:30:20.140 who are just, and who could blame them say the price is just too high. And that is what invoking

00:30:27.300 the emergencies act. I think it wasn't just to stop that protest. It was to stop any protests

00:30:33.580 going forward. And I think by and large, it could work. Uh, true North, um, recently put out a

00:30:41.060 documentary about this. And I think they asked a question that I'd never heard anybody ask before,

00:30:46.140 uh, to the truckers. Um, and that was, what was it like on the drive home?

00:30:50.720 Yeah. It's a great question. It's a fantastic question. And it was heartbreaking. Um, like,

00:30:58.420 just imagine that, like it, it's sure. One thing that's a loss that they didn't drop the mandates

00:31:03.380 right away. I don't think anybody believed that they would, um, in the way that they wanted,

00:31:08.640 right. I know, I know they won in some ways and especially in Alberta, um, they definitely won

00:31:15.000 Saskatchewan too. But I think that they could have went home with a smile on their face,

00:31:20.040 even if nothing, no mandate, not a single thing dropped because they united a country, they got

00:31:27.260 everybody together. They, they put everything aside and there was millions of people around the

00:31:32.240 country who vaccinated or not, um, stood up, right. Like they, they, even if it's in their living room

00:31:38.500 or whatever. Um, but because of what happened, that is where that sense of loss comes from.

00:31:46.660 That sense of, it's like grief. It's like grief. Like I grieve over it. Like, it's like, uh, you

00:31:53.000 lost something. Yeah. I don't even know how to put it. I'm not a very emotional person, but I think I,

00:31:59.760 yeah, yeah, it is. It's sad. And I wish the truckers on that drive home had taken to heart Ezra's words

00:32:06.280 when he said on, or when he was there speaking to the truckers that you won just by being here

00:32:12.600 because they united a country and they were the single largest human rights demonstration,

00:32:20.100 I think in the nation's history, but at least in my lifetime. And they spawned a movement around the

00:32:25.320 world of peaceful resistance. Those trucks and those flags went everywhere around the world

00:32:30.900 across other continents. And, um, again, that's why I think the crackdown had to be that hard on them

00:32:38.100 from the federal government because they were the most effective opposition that Justin Trudeau had

00:32:43.280 ever seen. I agree. I asked that question way before, uh, uh, sorry, I was just thinking of what

00:32:51.900 I asked that question, um, to Keith, Evan, Brendan. I only put Eva's answer in the documentary.

00:32:59.040 I asked if they thought it was an inevitable for that crackdown to come. Cause there were some,

00:33:04.380 um, people in audible police service who said that it was inevitable, that there was no other way to

00:33:09.420 kind of clear it. Um, which is funny cause audible police is the one who kind of got in the way of the

00:33:15.160 plan that they were going to have to clear it. Um, but Eva put it in just a really good way that, 1.00

00:33:20.480 uh, there was so many other instances across the country, like even at Windsor, the, the border

00:33:26.320 blockade, which kind of seemed to be like the big, most pressing thing, um, being the most, uh, used

00:33:31.780 border and all of the country between here and United States, um, the province and the police,

00:33:37.440 like they went there and they talked to the protesters and the big, big, big majority of them

00:33:43.540 left. And the crackdown that we saw there was for the few people who didn't leave. And that's

00:33:48.120 unfortunate that, um, it, that crackdown was pretty brutal and, and gross, but, um, they, they had a,

00:33:55.120 they had a meeting and they had a deal and the, the, the effect of, of the crackdown was, was

00:34:03.560 minimalized so low, um, because of that, because they actually spoke to each other. Um, and that's where

00:34:11.920 they failed in Ottawa is that even though the OPP tried, um, Ottawa police didn't want anything to do

00:34:19.060 with it. And then when the Quebec police, the worst police in the country came in, they, they didn't

00:34:25.520 want to hear any of it and they were ready to go. They're ready to start stomping on people with their

00:34:31.120 horse. Yeah. You know, the first week of the trucker commission, uh, really reminded me that

00:34:37.520 there are, you know, I give bureaucrats a hard time. I really do. I think you're overpaid and

00:34:42.200 underworked, but, but, uh, Steve Kenilakos, um, uh, city manager. Yeah. With the city of Ottawa,

00:34:51.120 I think the only person in the city of Ottawa who did a damn good job, he dealt fairly with the

00:34:58.400 truckers. He dealt fairly with the lawyers. He did his best to liaise with the police who were

00:35:02.980 seriously inept. He was dealing with a mayor that just really hated those truckers. And he was the 0.91

00:35:08.980 most fair level headed, seemingly nonpartisan guy. Um, exactly the kind of guy you want to work in the

00:35:17.040 public sector. Um, he's rare. He's a unicorn in the public sector. I think the left leaning politicians

00:35:23.620 inaudible liked it. Yeah, of course. I think they love victimhood. And Steven Kenilakos, um,

00:35:30.480 Steve K. Cause I, that's what everybody calls him. I can't do his last name properly. I think

00:35:35.000 that guy just wanted to go home to his family and he's like, yeah, here's what's happening. This,

00:35:38.940 this, this, and this, and this, and this, here's all I have to talk to. I'm clocking out of five.

00:35:43.260 Everybody, uh, has got it all sorted now. I did my job. And then when he testified, he,

00:35:48.540 you know, he, he was even when it made, uh, sometimes if it made the truckers or the,

00:35:53.480 or the lawyers kind of look like, um, not bad, but just like not as presented. Like he had no

00:36:00.240 issue doing that, but he also had no issue calling out the mayor and the police. Like he just,

00:36:04.920 like I said, he, he just wanted to testify there too and go home.

00:36:08.120 Yep. Straight shooter. That guy, he was right over your shoulder, by the way.

00:36:12.640 He was right over your shoulder as we were talking about him. Yeah, it was weird. Uh,

00:36:16.600 you know, I know you're busy. Um, you're working today. I'm working today. Um, tell us where people

00:36:23.240 can find your documentary Trudeau on trial. There's a couple of different ways. Um, so let us know.

00:36:31.080 So first off, if you go to Trudeau on trial.com there, this will be out tomorrow, Wednesday. So

00:36:37.100 the full documentary will actually already be out, uh, for free, um, tomorrow night at 6 PM our time. So

00:36:44.720 yeah, Trudeau on trial.com by the time you're watching this head to that website and you can

00:36:48.360 watch it chapters. Um, and that way I made it that way. It's just so people can digest all the

00:36:53.360 information, um, in a timely way. Uh, and then if you want to watch it in full, you can go to our

00:36:59.880 rebel news plus, which is also in Trudeau on trial.com. You can sign up there. I believe it takes you to

00:37:04.640 the next website. Um, and I just suggest signing up there anyway. I think you already have, if you're

00:37:09.880 watching this, um, but if there's a, if this comes out for free, um, that's the best place to do it.

00:37:15.680 Um, I highly suggest, uh, watching it in full, uh, cause it's just such a great experience. Um,

00:37:22.160 just the way that it flows. I'm tooting my own horn here, but it, it, uh, I think people will

00:37:27.180 really enjoy watching it in full. Um, yeah. Trudeau on trial.com. You're missing the in-person

00:37:34.220 showing on March 8th. Oh my gosh. And we're showing it in person in Edmonton on March 8th

00:37:42.420 at church in the vine, my favorite church. I don't know if I'm allowed to say that, but, um,

00:37:47.120 saying it anyway, church in the vine and, uh, it's going to be great. It's $12 tickets. Uh,

00:37:52.600 it's the family friendly version. I'm going to go through the documentary and cut out all the F

00:37:56.660 bombs. So, uh, people can bring their, uh, kids if they so wish. Um, and you get a pop and maybe a,

00:38:06.000 maybe a snack. Yeah. Pop in a snack of some kind. I'm not making popcorn for three hours,

00:38:11.720 so it'll be some kind of other snack. Uh, but, uh, refreshment and a snack are included in your

00:38:17.960 ticket. And yeah, we love church in the vine. They stood up to the Alberta government during the times

00:38:22.400 of COVID and got an $80,000 fine for their troubles, but they believe in free speech and

00:38:27.640 free expression and free assembly. And they're always so generous with their facility with us

00:38:32.720 when we show our documentary. So I look forward to seeing everybody there. If you go to Trudeau

00:38:37.300 and trial.com, you can get your tickets, but don't hesitate because they go fast. Everybody always

00:38:41.780 waits and says hymns and haws about buying tickets and then they're sold out, which was what happened

00:38:46.780 last night. I'm very excited. Yeah, me too. Yeah. I think also at our documentary,

00:38:53.700 are we going to have the lawyers there? Yes. Keith and Eva are going to be there. Uh,

00:38:57.740 Keith Wilson and Eva Chipyuk. Um, I'm maybe dropped a little surprise. I think Brendan Miller is back in

00:39:04.660 Alberta for then. And, uh, I'm going to send him an invite to come too. Great. So we'll have a Q and

00:39:12.200 with the lawyers afterwards and the filmmaker, and I'll sort of be moderating it. I'll do my best to

00:39:16.960 shut up and not monopolize the microphone. Uh, Kian, thanks so much for making this documentary, 0.99

00:39:23.120 taking the time away from your family and your dog and sitting in the horrible hellscape of Ottawa

00:39:29.080 for that long, listening to bureaucrats and politicians lie about good people. Um, it's emotionally

00:39:35.140 taxing. I was only there for a couple of days and I was like, my soul has left my body. I'm somewhere

00:39:39.340 else right now. Um, so thank you so much for doing that. And, uh, thanks so much for taking the time

00:39:43.860 today. Thank you for having me on. And I'm, I'm glad I was, uh, able there to be there to document,

00:39:49.560 uh, this historic event. And, uh, just a quick side note, uh, it was the shawarma that made Ottawa

00:39:55.200 so bearable. They have the best shawarma. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'll,

00:40:03.340 I'll take submissions on that. Kian, thanks so much. Let's get back to work. Thank you.

00:40:09.340 Well, friends, we've come to the letters portion of the show today and I invite your viewer feedback

00:40:21.780 for better or for worse. Sometimes it's why I give out my email address. It's Sheila at rebelnews.com.

00:40:28.820 That's the best way to get ahold of me, put gun show letters in the subject line so I can find it

00:40:32.980 or leave a comment on whatever platform you're watching us on. I prefer rumble because they're

00:40:40.380 less censorship-y, um, than YouTube, but I do go poking around on YouTube from time to time too,

00:40:45.920 because there's like 1.6 million sets of eyeballs watching us over on YouTube. And I don't want to

00:40:50.700 abandon you, even though YouTube's terrible. I don't think you people are. Anyway, today's letter

00:40:56.620 is not actually on a gun show or even a video that I did. It's on an article that I wrote. I

00:41:01.780 write quite a few articles throughout the course of the week here at Rebel News because I just don't

00:41:05.420 have time to do a video on everything. And it was on how Justin Trudeau has recently expanded the role

00:41:10.600 of the associate deputy minister at Natural Resources Canada to include a role of making sure

00:41:20.000 we never actually use our natural resources ever again in a sustainable way. Um, he's expanded the

00:41:27.540 ADM position to be also the special advisor on decarbonization. And this is part of Justin Trudeau's

00:41:37.360 quest for net zero and the just transition, which is anything but just anything but fair. It's just

00:41:44.400 unemployment. It's just inflation. It's just debt. It's just poverty. And it will just please

00:41:51.840 Justin Trudeau's overlords at the World Economic Forum and at the United Nations. But it will leave

00:41:57.400 us, well, largely destitute while the rest of the world continues to develop their fossil fuel

00:42:03.640 industries. The world needs more Canada and probably less Justin Trudeau. Anyways, my letter is from Roger

00:42:09.580 on that article and he writes, Sheila, thanks for your article. Since I was in the industrial

00:42:14.680 combustion systems business and helped the head of Alberta Environment negotiate the emissions

00:42:20.060 standards for Canada, this makes me sick. Looking at the picture of this woman, so the ADM, I can tell 1.00

00:42:29.460 if I asked her where electricity came from, she would say the plug in the wall. She wouldn't understand how

00:42:35.080 water gets to her house or process on waste leaving her house. What's the difference between organic 0.98

00:42:41.520 maple syrup and regular maple syrup? That would be fun to hear her explanation. You know, so many of

00:42:46.180 these people making these decisions have no idea how any of this stuff works. Michelle Sterling from

00:42:51.300 Friends of Science does great work on this, where she points out that a lot of the people meddling in

00:42:56.120 our energy systems and our electrical systems to make them more efficient and more green have no idea

00:43:01.980 how the electrical system works, how electricity marketing works, and the nuts and bolts of

00:43:09.860 electricity, how for every green energy project you actually need fossil fuel backup or you're going

00:43:16.120 to have blackouts like Texas did when they got hit with an ice storm. Anyways, let's keep going.

00:43:22.960 How is drywall manufactured? Shingles, fiberglass insulation, canola crushing, food manufacturing doesn't just

00:43:29.260 appear on the grocery shelf. Why do all of her clothes have synthetics in them? Why does the potash 1.00

00:43:36.480 industry use ultra low nitrous oxide burners and not for nitrous oxide emissions but for particulate

00:43:45.640 emissions? What are all the uses of magnesium oxide for pollution control? It's a tragedy of what

00:43:51.940 ignorant teachers promote in public schools. Keep up the great work. Governments are completely out of 0.98

00:43:56.940 control. Roger from just south of Calgary. Roger, you're right. You're right. Now, I don't know what

00:44:04.860 this new special advisor on decarbonization knows or doesn't know, but I do know that the decision

00:44:11.660 makers in all of these things to get us off coal here in Alberta or to ban plastics or to push for net

00:44:20.880 zero in car sales by 2035. These people have no idea the strain they are about to put on an electricity

00:44:28.880 grid that is not prepared to have millions and millions of cars plugged in. We are going to be

00:44:35.680 washing our clothes on a rock by the river because there is not going to be enough electricity to run

00:44:43.280 our washers and dryers when we need clean clothes. That's where we're going to end up here. Anyway,

00:44:48.820 on that dire note, thanks for tuning in, everybody. Thanks to everybody who works behind the scenes

00:44:53.900 for the show together, including my producer, the long-suffering Jesse. I'll see everybody back

00:44:58.740 here in the same time, in the same place next week. And remember, don't let the government tell

00:45:02.820 you that you've had too much to think.

00:45:18.820 Oh, my God.

Rebel News Podcast - February 22, 2023

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ What really happened at the Trucker Commission？

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