Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ What Trudeau's United Nations climate change promises mean for Canadian jobs

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00:02:09.140 The United Nations Climate Change Conference is going on in Glasgow some two weeks in.

00:02:20.720 And naturally, Justin Trudeau has made enormously expensive promises to other world leaders about how he plans to, I guess in the end, as a consequence,

00:02:31.260 shut down entire sectors of the Canadian economy to impress his global elitist friends.

00:02:36.660 Now, according to a report in The Washington Post, the draft agreement coming out of Glasgow calls for an end to coal in the developed world.

00:02:47.860 Hard caps on methane, again, in the developed world.

00:02:50.560 For developed countries to boost their aid to lower-income nations, including doubling funds to help with adaptation and providing enhanced and additional support for addressing the irreversible impacts of climate change known as loss and damage.

00:03:08.560 But it does not mention a clear financial mechanism for addressing loss and damage, nor does it offer details on what support-rich nations would be expected to deliver beyond 2025.

00:03:24.560 Friends, these are climate reparations for problems in the developing world that no one can prove the Western world is responsible for.

00:03:32.620 Now, OPEC and China are laughing all the way to world domination. 0.93

00:03:37.580 Now, my guest tonight is someone that I normally cross paths with at these annual climate change conferences.

00:03:45.980 And we do a yearly Canuck deep dive into the climate madness we see folding around us.

00:03:52.200 Although COVID lockdowns kept both of us at home this year, we still watch the climate change conference carefully and, in my case, with horror, as Trudeau opened the shrinking government coffers to make massive spending promises to other countries with our jobs and our money.

00:04:11.020 So, joining me tonight to discuss what this whole mess all means for Canadian jobs and your wallet is Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition Canada in an interview we recorded yesterday afternoon.

00:04:41.020 So, joining me now is my friend and good friend of the show and of Rebel News, Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition Canada.

00:04:47.900 And I wanted to have Tom on the show because it is our yearly in-person meeting normally at the UN Climate Change Conferences.

00:04:56.140 However, Tom stayed home this year and I stayed home this year.

00:05:00.360 We did send somebody, Louis Brackpool, to cover it for us.

00:05:03.780 But Tom always digests these big macro ideas and these plans to control your life into what it means for the normal people.

00:05:14.760 And so, I thought I would have Tom on for our yearly not-so-in-person meeting this year to discuss what went down at the UN Climate Change Conference in Glasgow.

00:05:23.720 So, Tom, thanks for being on the show.

00:05:27.620 You sent me some pretty detailed notes, as you always do, about what went down in Glasgow and some of the goals, their objectives, the tools by which they plan to control our comings, our goings, all basically just like COVID, but with climate change as the reason instead of the Wu flu.

00:05:47.540 And one of them was secure global net zero by mid-century and keep 1.5 degrees within reach.

00:05:58.220 Explain this to us.

00:05:59.200 I know we had Justin Trudeau out talking about this and we'll get to that.

00:06:02.860 But what does this mean at the UN level?

00:06:05.580 Well, it is called sometimes sarcastically the King Canute Clause.

00:06:10.060 The idea that we can control the climate.

00:06:13.180 And, you know, since 1880 or thereabouts, you know, when the Lice Age ended, we've seen an increase in temperature of 1.1, 1.2 degrees averaged over the whole Earth.

00:06:23.200 And what the UN are saying is that if it goes beyond 1.5 degrees, only 0.3 more, that we're going to see catastrophe.

00:06:30.580 And so we have-

00:06:30.980 But they know this.

00:06:31.400 Sorry to stop you, Tom, but how do they know this?

00:06:33.700 Because they say this with such sureity.

00:06:36.500 I know, I know.

00:06:37.300 But how do they even know?

00:06:38.460 Because when I look outside and it's 0 degrees today and I'm thinking, so a longer growing season and less harsh climate here in Alberta where we make all your food?

00:06:47.620 And I'm supposed to be mad about this?

00:06:49.320 I don't know.

00:06:50.160 I don't know.

00:06:50.980 Well, that's right.

00:06:51.660 Yeah, a lot of it's pretty silly because if the greenhouse gas models are right, and that's a big question.

00:06:57.020 Sure.

00:06:57.460 If they are right, most of the warming would occur at night, in the winter, in high latitudes.

00:07:04.480 And I don't think there's very many polar bears or any kind of wildlife or plants or anything that would care if it was minus 38 instead of minus 40.

00:07:13.600 Right.

00:07:13.760 So, I mean, the whole idea that another 0.3 degrees is somehow critical is silly.

00:07:20.320 But, you know, it's also even more fundamental than that, Sheila.

00:07:22.960 I mean, the whole idea of us being worried about a global average temperature is also equally silly because nobody lives in the globe.

00:07:31.800 There's no super being that straddles the planet and says, oh, I feel more hot or I feel colder.

00:07:37.160 You know, and a good example of why the global temperature is really immaterial is the following.

00:07:43.480 Let's say half of the Earth got 0.5.

00:07:46.320 Let's say half the Earth got 10 degrees warmer.

00:07:49.180 And let's say half the Earth got 10 degrees colder.

00:07:51.460 Well, the difference in temperature would be so great, you'd have massive pressure gradients, you'd have extreme weather, it would be an absolute disaster.

00:07:59.500 And yet, with half getting warmer by the same amount that half of it's getting colder, the average temperature wouldn't change.

00:08:05.680 It would just be the same.

00:08:07.660 So, average temperature is a really pretty meaningless statistic.

00:08:11.000 It doesn't really mean anything.

00:08:12.720 Here in Ottawa, for example, they say that the average temperature is rising in the summer.

00:08:17.840 Well, actually, the maximum temperature is not rising.

00:08:21.680 It's getting slightly less cool at night.

00:08:24.580 So, the average is rising.

00:08:26.400 But so what? 0.84

00:08:27.400 You know, this whole concept that we have to stop an average temperature from changing is silly. 0.93

00:08:32.420 And even more fundamentally, the whole idea that carbon dioxide drives climate is silly. 0.57

00:08:37.640 There's a new paper that's come out.

00:08:39.540 William Happer and a professor at York University.

00:08:42.080 William Happer is one of our buddies.

00:08:43.440 He's from Princeton.

00:08:44.780 He was an advisor to Trump, actually, on this issue.

00:08:47.820 They've published a paper recently where they analyzed how much potential increase in warming could there be due to increasing greenhouse gases.

00:08:57.080 And they looked at the different greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide, methane, and other ones.

00:09:01.560 And they found that with respect to carbon dioxide, we've achieved virtually all of the warming that carbon dioxide can cause.

00:09:09.400 So, even if there were a doubling of carbon dioxide, we're seeing, according to his models, and these are being, you know, this is a very reputable scientist doing these studies, and it's being validated by many people.

00:09:20.600 They're showing that CO2 doubling will have virtually no effect, okay?

00:09:25.600 Because they look at the absorption lines in the spectrum, and they look at how much energy is being absorbed now by carbon dioxide and how much would be absorbed if there was twice as much carbon dioxide.

00:09:36.260 And the change is so small, you have to really look closely at the graph to even see it.

00:09:42.040 Now, the other thing that they found, which I found pretty intriguing, considering that Trudeau signed on to this methane pledge, is that the impact of methane is apparently only about one-tenth the impact of carbon dioxide.

00:09:55.900 So, if carbon dioxide doubling causes almost no temperature rise, then methane is not a problem at all.

00:10:04.760 And yet, Trudeau has committed huge commitments to reduce methane from the oil and gas sector.

00:10:10.500 And, you know, we can get into that because his different commitments are very damaging for Canada.

00:10:16.680 Yeah, we'll get to those in a second.

00:10:17.700 And I noticed that some of their, the tools by which they plan to achieve net zero are in contrast with each other.

00:10:27.620 So, one of them is to accelerate the phase-out of coal, okay, and curtail deforestation.

00:10:37.360 Well, if you accelerate the phase-out of coal, that's going to lead to deforestation in the developing world because they'll go back to using their forests to heat their homes, to cook their food, for even electricity.

00:10:50.780 You also see the same people arguing for using biofuels and burning pellets for electricity.

00:10:57.560 And it's like, where do you, where do you think that comes from?

00:11:00.720 By the way, if you want more trees, you need carbon dioxide.

00:11:05.140 It's tree food.

00:11:05.980 Yeah, that's right.

00:11:07.600 And, you know, the only measurable impact of carbon dioxide on the biosphere so far, the increase that we've seen, and we've seen about a 50% increase since the Industrial Revolution, the only measurable impact has been a densification of forests and a huge increase in crop yield.

00:11:23.780 So, I mean, CO2 is a good thing, and people that study agriculture are hoping CO2 continues to rise so that we can, you know, we can feed billions of people.

00:11:33.400 But, you know, this business of coal phase-out is a real problem because just during the COP conference, and you won't believe this, while Trudeau was saying how we're going to phase out coal completely, I think he said by 2030, we can get into that.

00:11:46.960 Australia announced 116 new fossil fuel plants, and there are a lot of those, of course, in Australia, they're always coal.

00:11:56.360 And apparently, this is going to cause a 30% increase, 30% increase in Australia's greenhouse gas emissions.

00:12:03.580 And they announced that right during the COP conference.

00:12:07.740 Good for them.

00:12:08.780 And India, of course, has told all of their producers of coal, boost and ramp up your coal production.

00:12:14.460 Because, of course, their new commitment is to be net zero by 2070.

00:12:20.220 2070.

00:12:21.440 Now, there's actually a funny joke that's going around the UN Climate Conference.

00:12:25.420 I was told this by people at the conference.

00:12:27.340 They're saying that some of these commitments, like India's net zero by 2070, you know, it's like a 75-year-old alcoholic saying, I'm going to quit drinking in the next 30 years.

00:12:40.300 Yeah.

00:12:41.460 I'll start my diet tomorrow, Tom.

00:12:43.600 It's fine.

00:12:44.800 Right.

00:12:45.440 I'll start my diet in a half a century, which is what India is essentially saying.

00:12:50.260 They're going to be net zero by 2070.

00:12:51.900 Oh, but in the meantime, we're going to massively expand our coal usage, which, of course, makes sense, because their first and overriding priority is poverty alleviation and keeping their people fed.

00:13:02.860 So, I mean, coal is a magnificent product.

00:13:05.060 And if you burn it cleanly, it's absolutely fine.

00:13:08.040 You know, there's no reason for them to be cutting back on coal in Canada.

00:13:11.460 I mean, Canada has about the cleanest coal stations you can imagine.

00:13:15.520 So, I mean, there's just all these different pledges that are going on.

00:13:18.740 They're also saying, for example, they want to make actual plans so that we in the developed world must give $100 billion a year to a fund that will help the developing world reduce their emissions and adapt to climate change.

00:13:34.840 And they're saying that's not even enough, because after 2025, it has to go up much higher.

00:13:39.180 And they're demanding, you know, just in July of this year, a group of 100 developing countries put together a report, and they're demanding of each country how much they have to give, you know, to make up for our sins of changing climate, which, according to them, gave them severe weather and things.

00:13:57.460 And Canada's bill is $4 billion a year.

00:14:00.560 Okay, just for that.

00:14:02.880 And so far, Trudeau is buying into this, you know, it's really too bad.

00:14:07.520 But just to go through some of the demands from the developing countries, and by the way, China will be a recipient of this.

00:14:14.300 Okay, they're not being demanded anything, according to these 100 developing nations, probably many of which are in debt to China.

00:14:20.440 So they're not going to demand China to do anything.

00:14:23.400 But India has demanded a trillion dollars from the West, and the countries of Africa together have demanded $3 trillion.

00:14:32.740 And this is one of the sticking points in the whole COP26 conference, is this loss and damages liability that we are supposedly to pay for.

00:14:43.440 Because they're saying that we use most of the fossil fuels in history, we cause most of the emissions, which is true.

00:14:50.260 And therefore, things like typhoons, and Hurricane Haiyan, and, you know, extreme weather and all kinds of things, this is caused by us.

00:14:58.680 And so we have to pay reparation and damages.

00:15:01.380 And that's a very big part of this conference, actually, is trying to get deals where the West is held tightly to this $100 billion a year pledge, but also to a much bigger pledge in the future, you know, approaching trillions, as we were just saying.

00:15:18.080 So that, I think, by itself is probably going to sink this UN climate conference.

00:15:22.900 The methane deal, that will probably be the only significant thing, I think, that comes out of the conference.

00:15:29.360 But just looking together, looking at other things, for example, in the COP, we must finalize the Paris rulebook.

00:15:35.940 Okay, so that's another thing that they want to do, is really hold us, hold a gun to our head and say, if you don't do it, you're going to get these penalties.

00:15:44.080 And, you know, one thing people have to realize is that this COP conference, COP26, it comes because it's the 26th meeting of the Conference of the Parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.

00:15:58.560 See, in 1992, Prime Minister Mulroney and the first George Bush and other world leaders, they signed on to something called the Framework Convention on Climate Change.

00:16:09.880 Now, that's where all the corruption started.

00:16:12.420 Before that, the IPCC, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, created in 1988, it actually had an honest job to do.

00:16:21.600 It was looking at what were the causes of climate change.

00:16:25.260 But in 1992, the UN decided to have this Framework Convention at the Rio Conference, and they did a couple of tricky things.

00:16:33.540 First of all, they defined climate change in a way that is only caused by humans.

00:16:39.780 And here's what they said. Climate change, and this is from the Framework Convention, and this is where the corruption really started.

00:16:46.900 Climate change means a change in climate which is attributed directly or indirectly to human activity that alters the composition of the global atmosphere,

00:16:56.060 which is in addition to natural climate variability absorbed over comparable timeframes.

00:17:02.040 So when you hear UN people say climate change is caused by humans, well, of course it is, because they define climate change as being caused by humans.

00:17:11.780 So, I mean, first of all, they distorted the language.

00:17:16.760 And then another thing they did, I've got to read this to you, too, because it is kind of remarkable.

00:17:21.540 They say, the objective of this convention, this is the treaty that was signed in Rio, the Framework Convention,

00:17:28.640 is to achieve stabilization of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere at a level that would prevent dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system.

00:17:37.600 So what if there is none? In other words, they're assuming that we're causing dangerous climate change.

00:17:45.480 That's the assumption. And, of course, if it's not happening, then the whole point of the Framework Convention is immaterial.

00:17:52.000 And the corruption actually expanded beyond the Framework Convention, because then the UN IPCC had its mandate changed.

00:18:01.940 Its mandate, the science body, was to support the convention.

00:18:06.640 And since the convention defined climate change as being caused by us, and that there was dangerous anthropogenic climate change to stop,

00:18:14.580 the IPCC then had to start generating reports that would support the narrative decided by the UN.

00:18:22.900 And so from then on, the IPCC joined them in the, you know, the cesspool of corruption.

00:18:29.180 And that's where all these COP conferences happened.

00:18:32.420 You see, the UNFCCC was ratified in 1994, and the first COP happened in 1995.

00:18:38.520 So COP1, COP, you know, 21 was in Paris. COP26 now is happening in Glasgow.

00:18:46.820 And every five years, they have what they call a global stock take.

00:18:50.280 And this is one of those special COP meetings where they have to actually up the ante.

00:18:55.720 They have to not only say what they're doing, they have to actually show what they're doing and make solid commitments.

00:19:00.900 And that's why this COP is actually more important than most.

00:19:03.820 But, yeah, you should look at the things that Trudeau has committed us to.

00:19:08.180 Maybe we can go through the list.

00:19:10.360 Sure. I'm just taking it all in because it's like a self-perpetuating thing.

00:19:17.340 It's like a perpetual motion machine.

00:19:19.380 You know, define climate change so that it is caused by humans.

00:19:23.620 Also, change the language around climate change so that it means any weather.

00:19:27.640 Yeah. And since there's always people and always weather, you always have this problem to solve.

00:19:33.920 And the only way to solve this problem is take money from this guy and give it to that guy.

00:19:39.520 And at the end of the day, there's only one guy they're taking money from.

00:19:42.940 And that's you and me.

00:19:44.020 Yes, exactly.

00:19:45.240 And the science body that's supposed to actually tell us the truth about what's happening to the climate

00:19:51.440 has now been forced to support the Framework Convention, which has all the things that you just named.

00:19:57.880 And, you know, it reminds me very much of when one of my sisters worked in the government.

00:20:01.320 I won't say which department because that would identify my sister.

00:20:04.700 But she was actually given the job of finding evidence that would support the minister's statement on a certain thing.

00:20:11.660 She went and looked and she couldn't find any.

00:20:14.440 And they told her, well, go back and look.

00:20:15.920 And what she said to me is kind of interesting.

00:20:18.380 She said, well, you know, this isn't evidence-based decision-making.

00:20:22.360 This is decision-based evidence-making.

00:20:25.520 And that's what the IPCC is.

00:20:28.000 It's decision-based evidence-making.

00:20:30.500 The decision is we are causing dangerous climate change.

00:20:34.380 The evidence then has to be found to support the decision.

00:20:38.460 So I always laugh because it really is completely corrupt.

00:20:41.940 We see that in all kinds of things.

00:20:43.360 We see that in COVID.

00:20:44.220 You know, they have to find numbers to support the government's decision.

00:20:47.720 So, oh, my God, it's going through the roof, you know, even though they classify things like cancer deaths as being COVID deaths.

00:20:53.560 And, yeah, it's completely corrupt.

00:20:56.080 And you don't know who to trust at all.

00:20:59.100 That's the story of government, right?

00:21:00.400 It's a solution in search of a problem.

00:21:03.320 Speaking of solutions in search of problems, let's talk about the big one facing our country.

00:21:08.500 Justin Trudeau promising all kinds of our money to the UN and, I guess, to the developing world to not develop their natural resources.

00:21:16.840 Really, that's what this all comes down to.

00:21:18.840 You said $4 billion annually.

00:21:23.780 This is going to cost us.

00:21:26.080 Justin Trudeau's net zero pledge by 2050.

00:21:29.620 I looked into that.

00:21:30.620 TD Economics did a study of this a few years ago, or I guess it would be about a year ago now,

00:21:36.840 that this could cost upwards of a half a million jobs, primarily in the West here and in Newfoundland,

00:21:45.600 if Justin Trudeau pursues net zero by 2050.

00:21:50.660 And what a bizarre goal net zero emissions is anyways, because Canada is, we're way beyond net zero when you take into what our forests use as far as CO2.

00:22:02.520 So we're actually, you know, helping the rest of the world just by the sheer level of forests we have, if you care about CO2 levels.

00:22:10.660 And I don't, but Justin Trudeau keeps telling me he does.

00:22:14.740 So, you know, why do this devastating thing to the Canadian economy when really we're already there and then some?

00:22:23.780 Well, that's right.

00:22:24.420 And he wants not only Canada to go to a net zero by 2050, he wants the oil and gas sector to go to net zero.

00:22:30.820 And the target is primarily the oil sands.

00:22:33.460 I mean, the gas sector has not hit so hard, but the oil sands, it's a really, really big challenge for them to do this.

00:22:39.840 I mean, they're essentially going to have to, you know, have massive amounts of carbon sequestration,

00:22:44.120 or they're going to have to give huge amounts of money to carbon credit systems, things like that.

00:22:49.280 Or more likely, and this is already happening, many of the producers will simply leave Canada.

00:22:55.100 Yeah, exactly.

00:22:55.660 They'll just go, and we will lose incredibly with the billions of dollars a year that we'll lose in revenues.

00:23:02.840 And what will happen is people will still use energy, they'll just bring in their energy from the Middle East.

00:23:08.700 Where they don't do these kinds of crazy things.

00:23:11.060 You know, if you were concerned about carbon dioxide, and I'm not, but if you were, you would want to have as much Canadian energy as possible,

00:23:19.160 because we have hugely better standards than most of the world.

00:23:23.060 But instead, he's killing our particular oil and gas sector.

00:23:27.300 And you know, it's funny, because in the press release from the Prime Minister's office, they said that in a letter sent from Ministers Guybeau and Wilkinson,

00:23:35.480 the government is seeking the advice of the net zero advisory body on how best to move forward with this approach.

00:23:41.760 And I thought, well, guys, maybe you should have asked them before you made the announcement.

00:23:46.800 Again, they might come back to you and say, you can't do it without ruining the Canadian economy.

00:23:54.100 And you know, this Trudeau reminds me very much of Jean Chrétien, because Jean Chrétien did a similar thing.

00:24:01.480 He went to South Africa, and without consulting with any of his people, he announced that Canada was going to join the Kyoto Protocol.

00:24:09.960 He had no idea how we were going to meet it.

00:24:12.120 He just said it.

00:24:13.220 He just said it.

00:24:14.000 Yeah.

00:24:14.920 And that's what Trudeau is doing.

00:24:16.800 He's made a commitment, a huge commitment, which will damage our oil and gas industry in other ways, too, that we'll get into.

00:24:23.840 And then he's saying, we're going to seek the advice of this body as to how to move forward.

00:24:29.140 And I say, Guy, you've got to talk to your experts first, not after you've made the decision, or it becomes decision-based evidence-making,

00:24:37.660 because then that body, well, they've got to twist and turn the numbers to make it so that it looks like we can do it.

00:24:43.760 About the only thing we can say that is good about all this is that, so far, we've never come close to meeting our targets.

00:24:51.420 So the hope is that this is all smoke and mirrors, and he actually won't do anything.

00:24:56.400 Here's to liberals not doing anything right.

00:24:58.700 We prepared a graph some time ago.

00:25:02.120 I'll send you, actually, after you talk, which was comparing the targets with the accomplishments for every single target that was set back to about 1990.

00:25:11.120 And it's actually quite hilarious, because as the years go by, they make greater and greater targets, and they miss every single one of them.

00:25:17.860 And, you know, it's just muddy.

00:25:19.400 Thank goodness.

00:25:20.340 Now, another thing that Trudeau promised is he was going to end exports of thermal coal no later than 2030.

00:25:28.420 And, in fact, he's saying that we're phasing out, in our country, thermal coal by 2030. 0.99

00:25:33.520 And, you know, again, that is really stupid. 0.96

00:25:35.720 Here in Ontario, the engineering consulting firm that was contracted to determine how to reduce Ontario's pollution, 0.99

00:25:42.000 they recommended not closing the coal stations, which, yeah, McGinty did it anyway.

00:25:47.500 They recommended bringing in the latest pollution-controlled devices.

00:25:51.700 And that, you know, at that time, we had a quarter of our electricity from coal, and we had the best rates in Canada.

00:25:56.880 Our rates have gone up something like 200% because we got rid of this inexpensive energy source, which is nutty.

00:26:03.860 And Trudeau wants to do that for the whole country.

00:26:06.060 He stated that, oh, here's another one.

00:26:08.060 Achieving net zero emissions within Canada's electricity grid by 2035.

00:26:14.560 What that means, of course, is having it all basically run by wind and solar power.

00:26:21.000 Now, when you're thinking of what you need in an electricity grid, you need reliability, okay, especially when it's minus 30 outside.

00:26:29.360 You need affordability, and you need some degree of environmental protection.

00:26:33.600 But what Trudeau has done is he's completely ignoring the first two, reliability and affordability.

00:26:39.860 He's focusing entirely on the last one, but not just environment in general.

00:26:45.020 He's focusing on one element of environment, namely greenhouse gases.

00:26:49.820 So he's throwing away all the other factors that normally go into the decision as to what you use as your source for electricity.

00:26:56.960 So, you know, 2035 is not very far off.

00:27:00.640 We're going to go to net zero emissions.

00:27:02.480 In other words, basically all wind and solar by 2035.

00:27:05.860 I don't think he's read anything in the area of, you know, how you actually make energy transitions.

00:27:12.780 Vaclav Smil from the University of Manitoba, he's done some really exceptional work talking about energy transitions.

00:27:19.360 And he shows that a transition like that would take many, many decades.

00:27:24.480 It doesn't happen right away, even when there is an advantage to making the transfer.

00:27:29.640 Now, in this case, there's no advantage, so it should never happen.

00:27:33.120 But the idea that we can do it in, what, 23 and a bit years?

00:27:37.260 Come on.

00:27:38.600 Well, sorry to interrupt, but this also, like, I'm making a list of things that directly affect Alberta.

00:27:43.920 For example, the coal phase out, we've got 800 years of thermal coal under our feet.

00:27:48.380 800 years.

00:27:50.060 But this strands that asset for Albertans.

00:27:52.960 The net zero by 2030 or 2050 or whatever his latest target is, that directly targets Alberta jobs.

00:28:03.460 His methane pledge that we'll talk about in a second, that directly targets Alberta, particularly if he expands it to the agriculture industry.

00:28:11.440 But this net zero for electricity, that targets Ontario manufacturing.

00:28:20.220 We don't have to look very far into the recent history to see how a transition to green energy killed manufacturing in Ontario.

00:28:29.700 And it didn't end the manufacturing.

00:28:31.700 It just moved it to places like in Detroit and in the United States and to Mexico, where they don't care about these kinds of things.

00:28:39.760 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:28:40.940 And the methane thing is actually, why don't we skip to that?

00:28:44.120 Because that's actually an interesting one.

00:28:46.540 They have something that he signed on to for Canada called the Global Methane Pledge, which aims to reduce methane emissions by at least 30% below 2020 levels by 2030.

00:28:57.740 And he's saying, oh, but we're actually going to have a 75% reduction below 2012 levels by 2030.

00:29:03.940 Now, you know, you have to realize that there are three big sources of methane.

00:29:09.180 There's energy, livestock and rice growing.

00:29:13.040 OK, there's only there's only a few countries where energy is the primary producer of methane.

00:29:18.800 Canada is one, you know, the United States, the European Union.

00:29:22.000 But you've got lots of countries like China, for example, who their primary source of methane is partly fossil fuels and livestock, but it's also rice.

00:29:31.380 And so and they're saying it's interesting because this pledge to have a 30% reduction.

00:29:36.560 That's the international pledge would apply to all countries, including countries that have no oil and gas and countries that don't have livestock and, you know, are growing a lot of rice.

00:29:47.660 So what you would what that would mean is that it doesn't matter how small your economy is, this treaty, this pledge, I should say, would actually result in a cut of your rice production by 30%.

00:29:59.040 So one of the outcomes of this global methane pledge for many countries, if they follow it, will be mass starvation.

00:30:06.980 OK, and, you know, that that is is terrible.

00:30:09.640 And, you know, you have to realize that methane, as I said earlier on, is one tenth the impact of carbon dioxide and carbon dioxide is not a problem itself.

00:30:20.220 So much so much suffering for nothing.

00:30:22.820 Yeah, that's right.

00:30:23.520 So, I mean, if other countries join on to this, it will cause mass starvation across the world.

00:30:29.480 Another thing that he's doing is he's Canada's committed five point three billion dollars to help low and middle.

00:30:35.100 You know, you always wonder about these numbers, eh?

00:30:36.740 He's borrowing money because Canada is massively in debt to give money to developing countries which will be gobbled up by their corrupt dictatorships, probably not go to what they're supposed to go to, putting Canada in further debt.

00:30:52.540 But anyway, he's going to he's going to give five point eight five point three billion to help low and middle income countries with their emissions reduction and mitigation efforts.

00:31:02.160 And one billion of that is going to help countries transition away from coal.

00:31:06.740 Now, that is a big joke because China is building coal stations all over the world. 0.97

00:31:12.560 And, you know, it's interesting.

00:31:13.380 There was another pledge at the UN conference that China strongly opposed.

00:31:17.960 And that was to not fund any foreign development of coal.

00:31:21.740 OK, not actually to build coal stations in other countries.

00:31:25.460 And oh, yeah, you know, Canada and these countries, we all agree.

00:31:28.120 Yeah.

00:31:28.280 But China and Japan were vehemently opposed to this.

00:31:32.640 China is building coal stations all over the world, especially in Africa, where they're building up this big debt that these countries have now to China.

00:31:40.140 So China can take over the resources.

00:31:41.840 But we're going to give a billion dollars of Canadian taxpayer money to try to help countries go away from coal at exactly the time when China is developing coal stations all over the world.

00:31:54.180 You know, it's like India's promise to go, oh, 2070. 0.99

00:31:57.620 He also said that we're going to plant two billion more trees as if Canada doesn't have enough trees.

00:32:01.980 Where are we going to put them?

00:32:03.220 Are we going to put them in the arable farmland?

00:32:05.680 Because where can you put these things?

00:32:07.620 Yeah.

00:32:08.140 Yeah.

00:32:08.420 It's absurd.

00:32:09.160 It's really crazy.

00:32:09.980 And he said that you're going to get 57 million dollars to help some of the countries adapt to climate change, which, of course, is a sensible thing to do.

00:32:17.520 But the question is, can Canada afford to borrow money to give it to other countries to do anything for that matter, even worthwhile things like adapting to climate change?

00:32:28.380 So, you know, you also have to look at this whole COP thing and ask yourself, I mean, who is really going to do what the COP is saying?

00:32:36.360 And there's a very interesting chart that I sent you, which shows which countries are on track to meeting their Paris 1.5 degree target.

00:32:43.900 And of all the countries in the world, there is one country, just one, that is on track to meet its Paris 1.5 degree target.

00:32:54.600 And that is a little country called the Gambia.

00:32:58.480 Actually, the is in the title, the Gambia.

00:33:01.360 And the Gambia is the smallest country in the whole continent of Africa.

00:33:04.980 It has a population less than Toronto.

00:33:08.560 It has massive human rights abuses.

00:33:11.040 It has terrible infectious diseases.

00:33:13.520 And that is our role model, the Gambia, the one country in the world that is going to meet its targets.

00:33:21.340 So if Canada were to meet its targets, does that mean we have to have, you know, terrible infectious diseases, super poverty, et cetera?

00:33:28.140 By the way, yeah, it has widespread poverty as well.

00:33:30.680 So, of course, they're hitting their climate targets. 0.98

00:33:32.620 I mean, they're all sick and broke and, you know, it's just ridiculous. 0.87

00:33:38.060 If you look at the other countries, the ones like Russia, and by the way, Putin didn't even go, eh? 0.96

00:33:42.780 Putin gave them a 223-word statement that he gave verbally.

00:33:49.080 He promised to have, he didn't promise to make any reductions in any emissions.

00:33:54.400 All he did is talk about planting trees.

00:33:56.900 And, you know, Xi Jinping from China, he didn't even give them a video message.

00:34:03.160 He didn't give them, he didn't go.

00:34:04.740 He didn't give them a video message.

00:34:06.540 And in his written statement, he didn't make any commitments at all to reducing anything.

00:34:12.840 Why would he?

00:34:13.780 They're giving him everything he wants anyway.

00:34:16.160 Why even go?

00:34:17.120 He doesn't even have to argue for it.

00:34:19.220 And Brazil didn't go, Saudi Arabia.

00:34:22.040 I mean, many of the largest producers never even went at all.

00:34:26.240 And I just got a kick out of Putin's statement.

00:34:28.800 223 words, I think it was.

00:34:30.820 And all he said is they're going to plant more trees.

00:34:34.060 That's the best.

00:34:35.280 Yeah.

00:34:35.540 If you're really serious about reducing methane, I mean, you'd go after Russia. 0.93

00:34:39.220 But, of course, all they do is they go after us.

00:34:41.640 And they ignore the big polluters and, you know, the people that are producing most of the supposed satanic gases.

00:34:49.080 Which are, in fact, not satanic in the least.

00:34:52.160 But, yeah, I think, you know, the COP conference, I don't miss it.

00:34:54.900 I mean, it would be nice to go to Scotland.

00:34:56.900 But I'm not particularly missing it.

00:34:59.500 I guess my concern was that if you go to Scotland and you're not vaccinated, then you have to have a test before you leave Scotland.

00:35:07.080 And or any country, for that matter.

00:35:09.040 And what happens if you get a false positive?

00:35:11.680 Then, uh-oh, you can't get on the plane.

00:35:14.420 Yeah.

00:35:15.340 And you're stuck there until eventually one of your tests shows negative.

00:35:18.880 So I just didn't want to take that risk.

00:35:20.840 Yeah, I can wear my tartan whenever I feel like.

00:35:23.300 I don't need to go to Glasgow to do that.

00:35:25.260 I'll go to Scotland when this silly COVID stuff is all blown over. 0.62

00:35:28.540 I mean, I know it's a disease.

00:35:29.940 But I think that in many cases it's hugely exaggerated.

00:35:33.060 Of course it is.

00:35:33.800 It's just like climate change.

00:35:34.860 And, you know, as long as we look at places like the Gambia as the climate Valhalla, there's going to be conferences of the parties for us to go to for time immemorial.

00:35:46.820 Because as long as there's people and as long as there's weather, there are going to be governments trying to control both.

00:35:53.360 Yeah, exactly.

00:35:54.700 And, you know, the sad thing is, though, Canada is so far in debt that we're borrowing billions more to just give it away to a cause that makes no sense at all. 0.75

00:36:04.920 It just is ridiculous.

00:36:06.180 And, you know, the sad thing is and the scary thing is, is while most nations make their commitments and they run away and do whatever they want, the fear is that Canada will really do this.

00:36:16.260 And that's where, you know, we have to, I mean, he says we're the first country in the world to make a 75% methane reduction for our fossil fuel industry.

00:36:26.520 You know, he's that, that kind of thing.

00:36:29.160 Whoa, it's scary when he says that because he might really try to do it.

00:36:33.840 Yeah, it might be the only thing he actually ever does that he promised that he would do.

00:36:39.200 Tom, can you let everybody know how they can support the work that you do with the International Climate Science Coalition Canada?

00:36:46.260 Because you guys are really on a shoestring budget and you are taking on the big foreign funded activist groups by trying to tell the other side of the story.

00:36:56.340 Yeah, sure.

00:36:56.820 Well, if people go to ICSC-Canada.com, you can see in the upper right hand corner, there is a little window that you put your email address in and we'll update you with whatever we're doing.

00:37:09.100 Because we're producing regular radio shows, you know, my podcast, for example.

00:37:13.420 Thank you.

00:37:13.900 And also America Out Loud.

00:37:15.780 You were my guest on my podcast a few weeks back, which is great, learning about your background.

00:37:20.920 And yeah, and we have a report coming out.

00:37:23.400 Now it's within a few days of being done.

00:37:25.880 It's going to be over 100 pages, I'm sure, on the Ottawa Climate Change Plan because it is completely insane.

00:37:32.800 It's taken quite a while to take it apart, you know, because so many problems with the plan.

00:37:38.820 It's really a cautionary tale for other cities in the world.

00:37:43.820 Which gives me chills and heart palpitations because we have Amarjeet Sohi as the mayor in Edmonton now.

00:37:50.600 And as you know, he was Justin Trudeau's failed natural resources minister.

00:37:54.080 So you can only imagine what he's going to do in the progressive hellscape of Edmonton anyway, now that he's gotten free reign to just do whatever he wants.

00:38:03.040 So, yes, definitely.

00:38:04.780 I can't wait to read that report because it will be a cautionary tale for what Alberta and Calgary are likely about to go through.

00:38:12.500 Right, right.

00:38:13.800 Well, Tom, thank you so much for coming on the show.

00:38:15.840 I could talk to you all day, but, you know, I'm not sure my viewers would appreciate that.

00:38:20.840 And we'll have you back on again very, very soon.

00:38:23.740 And just thank you so much for taking the time.

00:38:26.460 Okay, we'll keep tracking Trudeau that he doesn't do what he promises.

00:38:30.360 Let's hope so anyway.

00:38:32.700 Yeah, here's to his ineptitude.

00:38:34.820 Yeah, right.

00:38:36.560 Okay, bye, Tom.

00:38:37.700 Thanks.

00:38:38.080 All right.

00:38:38.480 You know, I think my friend Tom is right.

00:38:52.220 Normally, Justin Trudeau's ineptitude drives me bananas.

00:38:56.220 But when it comes to meeting his climate change targets, let's hope he fails and fails and fails forever because truly the sake of Canadian jobs and the Canadian economy depends on Justin Trudeau missing those climate change targets.

00:39:13.120 Friends, if you would like to see the other side of the story from the UN Climate Change Conference in Glasgow, might I suggest heading on over to rebelun.com.

00:39:22.720 You'll see my friend Louis Brackpool's reports from on the ground in Glasgow.

00:39:27.860 And at that special website, rebelun.com, you can support his journalism from on the ground where he brings you the side of the story.

00:39:37.100 The true believers in the mainstream media just don't want you to see.

00:39:41.380 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:39:43.600 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:39:45.280 I'll see everybody here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:39:49.380 And remember, don't let the government or big tech tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:40:11.380 Thank you.

00:40:12.380 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - November 11, 2021

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ What Trudeau's United Nations climate change promises mean for Canadian jobs

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