Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Why is the World Economic Forum going after fake Christmas trees？

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00:01:59.180 The World Economic Forum wants to ban your Christmas tree unless you use one that they

00:02:11.740 can enrich themselves from.

00:02:13.520 What a neat trick.

00:02:15.340 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:02:17.660 You know, there's absolutely nothing these insufferable fun burglar control freaks in the 0.56

00:02:39.780 World Economic Forum won't co-opt for their own agenda.

00:02:43.340 Now they want you to use a real Christmas tree, after telling us for decades that deforestation

00:02:48.780 was a real problem, because a real Christmas tree has a lower carbon footprint than your

00:02:53.880 artificial Christmas tree.

00:02:55.760 You know, it's almost like someone out there is getting rich off a tree planting program,

00:03:00.200 which is absolutely the case in this instance.

00:03:03.320 Now, the World Economic Forum, as you know, is not the only globalist organization looking

00:03:07.720 to control your life.

00:03:09.300 Who could forget the UN?

00:03:10.360 The UN Climate Change Conference recently wrapped up in Glasgow, Scotland, and thankfully,

00:03:15.700 like the month of March, it came in like a lion and went out like a lamb with no real

00:03:19.940 agreements reached.

00:03:21.820 Thank goodness.

00:03:23.220 Joining me to round up all the climate news from the UN Climate Change Conference and

00:03:28.120 from the Grinches at the World Economic Forum, and also so much more, is my friend Michelle

00:03:34.160 Stirling from Friends of Science in an interview we recorded yesterday morning.

00:03:52.860 So joining me now from her climate cabin in the middle of nowhere is my friend Michelle

00:03:57.460 Stirling from Friends of Science.

00:03:59.500 And there's so much to talk about, Michelle, I haven't talked to you since the UN Climate

00:04:04.160 Change Conference wrapped up.

00:04:06.000 And I thought it was kind of funny because you had decided you were going to do, yeah,

00:04:09.120 the dinosaur.

00:04:10.160 Exactly.

00:04:10.820 You had decided you were going to do sort of little wrap up videos at the end of every

00:04:14.600 day or every couple of days. 0.97

00:04:16.360 And then you just decided this is stupid and I'm not going to do it because it really was. 0.99

00:04:21.700 One day they're talking about dinosaurs. 0.99

00:04:23.100 The next day they're talking about how the steam engine was a bad thing.

00:04:26.280 And I think it was a great thing for the advancement of humanity, but also for making

00:04:31.700 transcontinental travel accessible for normal people through, you know, boats and trains.

00:04:38.240 All of a sudden, it wasn't something that the elite could do.

00:04:40.740 It was something that other people could save their money to do.

00:04:43.240 And yet Boris Johnson was lamenting that this thing was even ever invented.

00:04:49.800 Yeah. 1.00

00:04:50.640 What an idiot. 1.00

00:04:51.800 I mean, honestly, the Industrial Revolution basically did begin in Britain, but, you know, 1.00

00:04:57.640 it quickly spread all over the world because people found how wonderful it was to have these

00:05:02.960 mechanical things doing so much of the work for you so that you didn't have to break your

00:05:09.980 body in half every day, you know, chopping wood and carrying coal in a little bucket to

00:05:16.340 bring it home.

00:05:17.120 You know, you had these machines that started to help you.

00:05:21.080 And as I was saying, in the late 1800s, there was a French economist who said that the Industrial

00:05:29.040 Era had provided two and a half servants to every person.

00:05:32.620 But in fact, later economists came up with the figure that we have today, 97 servants because

00:05:40.860 of industrialization and modernization.

00:05:44.380 So, you know, just imagine all the things you don't have to do.

00:05:47.000 You don't have to take a bucket and go to the river or to a pump somewhere or a spring to

00:05:52.600 get water for your house.

00:05:53.940 You know, when you have a harvest to bring in, you don't have to get a whole threshing

00:06:00.440 crew of, you know, 100 men or more to go out there and cut the stooks, cut and make the stooks

00:06:07.980 and put them on the hay bale hauled by horses and someone's got to care for the horses and feed

00:06:13.840 the horses.

00:06:14.480 I mean, all these things are in the past.

00:06:18.120 And now people can live a much more comfortable life.

00:06:23.100 And certainly we should be conscious of the environment.

00:06:25.980 And we are.

00:06:26.680 There's thousands of environmental regulations.

00:06:29.520 And actually, the air quality has improved dramatically since the 70s.

00:06:34.280 So, you know, we should all be happy about this instead of denigrating our ancestors and

00:06:41.840 recognize that we stand on the shoulders of giants.

00:06:45.580 I mean, all the people who like now, you know, with your your phone or your laptop or

00:06:50.460 whatever, who are making the world happen with their fingertip.

00:06:54.160 Well, that's because all these people for centuries were developing the industrial revolution

00:06:58.940 and making it possible for your little finger to tap and click and make things happen in

00:07:04.320 your world.

00:07:05.780 There's another video that you recently did, and you and I were talking about it off air,

00:07:09.280 but it's never more relevant than now.

00:07:12.460 You did a little experiment.

00:07:14.460 You went in the backyard of the climate cabin and you put thermometers all over the place

00:07:19.400 and you measured the temperature within just small distances in your backyard and the temperature

00:07:26.400 varied wildly.

00:07:28.920 And you said in the video, some people are going to say this is unscientific.

00:07:34.260 And I agree it is.

00:07:35.520 But this is literally how they measure temperature.

00:07:38.040 So if we can't really understand what the temperature measurement is in a backyard within, you know,

00:07:43.980 20 feet, how are we supposed to understand what the temperature measurement is to stop it

00:07:50.300 from going beyond whatever the climate scientists say it's we're supposed to stop it from going

00:07:56.000 over on any given day.

00:07:57.400 And this happens to me every single day.

00:08:00.200 It is always five degrees colder where I live, way out in the middle of nowhere, than what it is in town.

00:08:06.700 And yet, when I'm accessing my temperature data, quite often it's Sherwood Park, Fort Saskatchewan,

00:08:15.180 or Edmonton, where I'm getting the temperature data and not out here in the middle of nowhere.

00:08:19.980 And so how do scientists make these judgments about where we need to not be if they can't even tell us

00:08:26.040 where we are right now?

00:08:28.080 That's right.

00:08:28.880 Well, it was a simple experiment.

00:08:31.780 And really within that very small area, there was a 22 degree difference in temperature range.

00:08:38.880 And then I also looked at the Nassau site, which talks about the elusive surface air temperature,

00:08:48.000 which is what I was trying to measure.

00:08:50.160 And even they say that there's no international agreement on what constitutes surface air temperature.

00:08:56.920 There's no agreement on how it should be gathered, like should it be gathered hourly and then averaged

00:09:03.020 or daily, every six hours, every minute.

00:09:06.420 And also they say that to actually know what the surface air temperature is in a given location,

00:09:12.080 like my backyard, you'd have to have 50 foot stacks of thermometers placed all over the place

00:09:18.080 and then average that, which is obviously impossible.

00:09:22.780 So the point of the video was really to show people that the claims that by charging you trillions

00:09:30.820 of dollars in climate policies to presumably or supposedly reduce global temperature by half a degree

00:09:40.920 is simply nonsense.

00:09:44.260 There's no, I mean, there are many scientists like Dr. Richard Lindzen and Dr. John Christie,

00:09:52.000 who completely disagree on this method of global average temperature.

00:09:58.260 And those would be some of the reasons why.

00:10:01.560 And we actually have a video of one of their papers on our website.

00:10:05.320 I did a reading of one of their papers.

00:10:08.460 And they show, similarly to what I did, that in cities, you know,

00:10:14.060 the temperature range might be 40 degrees over seasons.

00:10:19.820 So how is this elusive half a degree actually going to happen?

00:10:27.640 And who can measure it?

00:10:28.860 And in fact, I guess my experiment also shows that if you want to say,

00:10:33.200 oh, look at that, we achieved half a degree reduction,

00:10:35.880 all you have to do is move the thermometers to the shade.

00:10:38.500 Yeah, or if you want to vice versa, if you want to say, oh, my God,

00:10:43.620 it's catastrophic global warming, just put them in the sun.

00:10:48.360 That's exactly it.

00:10:49.400 If you want to rig the data to show, you know, oh, the climate's on fire.

00:10:53.440 Well, that's easy enough.

00:10:54.720 You know, just you just take the high temperature and throw out the other five thermometers

00:10:59.660 or whatever, because there's no standard for any of this.

00:11:03.900 Yeah.

00:11:03.980 And I do want to say, I mean, honestly, there are many excellent climate scientists out there

00:11:08.920 working very hard to assess how humans do impact climate.

00:11:13.320 And as you said, for instance, in the cities, cities can be five to 10 degrees warmer

00:11:18.760 than the surrounding area because of the urban heat island, where, you know,

00:11:22.840 all of our activities tend to get blocked in either under influences of the atmosphere

00:11:30.320 or inversions or just the heat retention of buildings and pavement.

00:11:35.520 But, you know, those climate scientists who are working hard to do that, I'm not trying

00:11:39.340 to defame them.

00:11:40.500 I'm just trying to say that in terms of this global policy to, you know, to reduce temperature

00:11:48.000 or keep it below two degrees by a half a degree is really statisticulation.

00:11:55.260 So, you know, that's the political side of it.

00:11:58.580 That's not the climate scientist side of it.

00:12:00.700 And that's really a shame.

00:12:03.460 And actually, I think it was Istvan Marko, the late professor, Dr. Istvan Marko of Belgium,

00:12:11.160 who first introduced me to the idea that, you know, the World Meteorological Organization

00:12:16.540 in, I think it was 2016, claimed that 2016 was the hottest year ever.

00:12:23.600 And it was hotter than 2015.

00:12:26.380 Well, you know how much hotter they deemed it to be?

00:12:29.260 By two hundredths of a degree Celsius, which is immeasurable.

00:12:34.920 Like any engineer will tell you that you can't accurately measure anything under a tenth of

00:12:39.420 a degree.

00:12:39.840 And yet these are these esteemed bodies politicizing things.

00:12:45.480 And they don't say, wow, look at that.

00:12:48.420 You know, 2016 was two hundredths of a degree warmer than 2015.

00:12:52.320 Because if they did say that, everyone would go, well, there's no climate crisis then, is

00:12:57.540 there?

00:12:58.420 Yeah.

00:12:59.040 Well, and you use the phrase statisticulation to sort of describe this manipulation of statistics

00:13:09.400 and often they put them in vague terms, like you just said, it's the hottest year on record.

00:13:15.900 So everybody thinks the world is melting down.

00:13:18.500 But when you're like, no, it's like a rounding error, like literally we may have, you know,

00:13:24.280 somebody walked by the thermometer with a hot coffee and that's what affected it.

00:13:29.120 But, you know, it's this vagaries to fear monger people into overreacting.

00:13:34.840 And I guess we see that all the time with COVID.

00:13:36.480 Mm-hmm.

00:13:38.620 Yes.

00:13:39.100 Well, there's some similarities there in terms of the fact that both climate and COVID issues

00:13:45.440 are based on modeling.

00:13:48.180 And modeling is computer simulations.

00:13:52.060 A model doesn't mean a representation that's an exact scale of what's going on.

00:13:59.160 It means that it's a simulation.

00:14:02.000 The information is entered by human beings and the parameters are set by human beings.

00:14:06.860 And there's been quite a scandal lately, I think, with SAGE out of the UK on the modeling

00:14:12.420 of COVID.

00:14:14.100 And similar issues have come up many times over on the modeling with climate.

00:14:19.400 In fact, Ross McKittrick recently commented on a paper, a peer-reviewed paper that showed

00:14:26.200 that the Canadian climate model forecasts warming that is seven times higher than the

00:14:35.220 observed temperatures in the troposphere.

00:14:37.920 Seven times higher.

00:14:38.960 Now, people have to understand that these climate models are calibrated to the economic models.

00:14:45.700 And that's where your carbon tax comes from, because they're not calibrated to evidence.

00:14:51.900 They're calibrated to the models.

00:14:53.800 So that means that if the models run too hot, your carbon tax will be too high.

00:14:58.460 I mean, I'm not in favor of a carbon tax to begin with, but if we must have it, let's have one that's

00:15:04.900 based on evidence and not nonsense.

00:15:08.300 Well, if you base it on evidence, then we wouldn't have it at all, Michelle.

00:15:13.340 True.

00:15:13.880 So that's why evidence-based is very important.

00:15:16.700 It's the most important.

00:15:18.400 Now, speaking of COVID, and COVID is set to apparently steal Christmas, but not before the

00:15:25.880 climate fund burglars do.

00:15:27.220 The World Economic Forum, they want us to not have artificial trees because there's nothing,

00:15:35.200 no aspect of your life, these control freaks will not try to meddle with.

00:15:40.320 And now it's Christmas and your choice in tree.

00:15:42.940 Apparently, you know, cutting down trees is bad.

00:15:45.960 Deforestation is bad.

00:15:46.940 So they tell me, but on the flip side, cutting down trees is good for Christmas,

00:15:52.900 but I guess it's part of their business model, isn't it?

00:15:55.700 Well, yeah, that's the interesting thing is that they make it seem like they're virtue signaling

00:16:01.420 and doing the holy thing by saying, look, have a real Christmas tree for Christmas, because

00:16:08.560 then you'll have a greener Christmas.

00:16:10.620 But in fact, they're actually promoting their business model of an organization called

00:16:15.560 OneTrillion.org, which is dedicated to planting trees for carbon credit trading.

00:16:24.400 You know, and I mean, the World Economic Forum in 2006 had noted in their list of global risks,

00:16:33.540 the pandemic risk could crater the global economy, and also a global oil price shock could crater the global economy.

00:16:42.780 They knew this in 2006.

00:16:45.240 They're supposed to be all the smarty pants of the world, helping us to run the world better.

00:16:50.540 And yet, all they can talk about is your Christmas tree and whether or not you're having a green Christmas.

00:16:56.500 We're now experiencing, of course, a pandemic and a global oil price shock.

00:17:02.500 In fact, an energy crisis around the world.

00:17:05.060 And all these guys can talk about is your Christmas tree.

00:17:08.800 I mean, the people who are going to benefit from this oil price shock are the people associated

00:17:15.740 and the organizations associated with the WEF. 0.72

00:17:19.300 So I think it's really disgusting and patronizing.

00:17:22.960 And have a look at our video and see what you think.

00:17:25.800 Yeah, it's these people are a perpetual motion machine.

00:17:29.820 They just like create policies that enrich themselves and they use that money to create policies to enrich themselves.

00:17:36.540 And it just goes around and around and around.

00:17:38.480 And all the money that they enrich themselves with comes out of normal people's pockets.

00:17:42.340 And the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

00:17:45.640 That's right.

00:17:46.620 Yep.

00:17:46.880 Now, I want to talk to you about the climate emergency declaration in the city of Calgary.

00:17:54.360 I don't know about Calgary right now, but Edmonton, it is so cold.

00:17:58.160 It is so cold.

00:17:59.320 I had to do a story outside yesterday for 45 minutes and I almost died.

00:18:03.400 I had the heat in the Jeep cranked up like I could cremate a body in there.

00:18:06.740 It was so cold.

00:18:08.860 And yet, Calgary is calling a climate emergency.

00:18:12.300 We had Adam Sos in Calgary driving around in the no climate emergency billboard truck, just talking about how ridiculous this is.

00:18:21.320 But Friends of Science being early adopters of good ideas, you guys have been telling us there's no climate emergency for, well, I guess two decades now, right?

00:18:29.940 Yeah, pretty much.

00:18:31.380 Yeah.

00:18:31.820 Yeah, we did a report rebutting the claim of a climate emergency.

00:18:35.320 And of course, we work quite closely with Klintel out of the Netherlands.

00:18:38.780 And that's a group of 960 signatory scientists and scholars from around the world who state quite clearly that there is no climate emergency.

00:18:50.460 There's no reason to be alarmed and that natural forces are more influential than human influences on climate.

00:18:59.000 So we did a report rebutting that.

00:19:00.880 And the first thing we did was we asked the mayor to make sure that Calgary children, and in fact, all children should be told this, that Greta actually said there's no science behind her comment that I want you to panic.

00:19:19.220 No science behind it.

00:19:20.840 She did this in a testimony to the U.S. Congress, and Congressman Norman asked her, you know, please tell me what's the science behind your comment, I want you to panic.

00:19:32.420 And she said, well, you know, it's really just a metaphor, there's no science behind it, and I don't literally want anyone to panic.

00:19:39.500 Well, you know, why isn't that front page news everywhere?

00:19:43.220 And certainly the city of Calgary should be making sure that all children have Christmas relief by being told that there's no need to panic, but instead, you know, they're proclaiming a climate emergency and piling on.

00:19:56.620 And I want to mention that in a HuffPost article that was listing all the cities that had declared a climate emergency, there was a little note there that to declare this climate emergency, you had to pay $250,000 to some fund, which was promoting renewables.

00:20:18.360 They didn't follow up on that, and I've never seen any other report on it, but it'd be interesting to know where cash-strapped Calgarians are being squeezed for another quarter of a million dollars for this facetious declaration by Mayor Gondek.

00:20:34.180 You know, that's interesting.

00:20:35.580 I'm going to get my friend Adam to follow up on that because, you know, we say all the time that this is just empty virtue signaling, but it's not all that empty.

00:20:43.580 When you're giving a quarter of a million dollars of taxpayer money to an organization for, I guess, the courtesy of being able to say that it's a climate emergency, I mean, this is just greenwashing of the worst sort.

00:21:00.440 I had no idea that there was money attached to this, and so if there was, I'm going to find out because this is crazy because taxes are going up.

00:21:09.980 Right, exactly, and I mean, one thing that, you know, as I said, that HuffPost never followed up on it, so I don't know where that little thread leads, but that was alarming to me.

00:21:19.680 And furthermore, it's interesting to note that the McConnell Foundation is one of the tax-reduced charitable foundations that's been funding all these environmental groups who are promoting the climate catastrophe narrative.

00:21:34.640 Well, it turns out they also gave $10 million to BlackRock for a renewables investment.

00:21:42.920 Like, what is this? I mean, this is a tax-subsidized foundation that funds tax-subsidized ENGOs to clamor for a climate catastrophe and a climate emergency, and at the same time is giving tax-subsidized $10 million to BlackRock, which is one of the world's largest corporate entities, and certainly doesn't need $10 million from Canadians.

00:22:09.820 And Michelle, I think this perpetual motion machine of green, I would call it money laundering, but not in the criminal sense, it has a real-world impact on Canada's economy.

00:22:24.240 You have a new report from Robert Lyman that's coming out that said that Canada was sitting on $21 trillion in U.S. dollars, not Canadian pesos, in resource riches, and so many of these green energy conglomerates, they want us to leave $21 trillion U.S. in the ground.

00:22:49.200 That's right.

00:23:19.180 Oil, gas, and coal, it's just skyrocketed as half the prices, you know, and we're pretending like, oh, we're going to make wind and solar farms from fairy dust, you know, because even to implement any of the proposed net zero policies, you need masses of oil, gas, and coal.

00:23:42.400 Because that's how society is built.

00:23:44.400 Because that's how society is built, and that's how it runs.

00:23:46.540 I mean, the whole idea that we can electrify the world and replace fossil fuels is ludicrous because electricity is a secondary source of energy.

00:23:55.680 It's made by hydro, fossil fuels, nuclear, perhaps a little geothermal, but, you know, I think fossil fuels provide something like 84% of the world's energy right now, and that's not going to change dramatically in the next 5, 10, or 29 years.

00:24:15.080 Especially since everything is made from oil, gas, and coal.

00:24:45.060 Where, you know, wealthy hedge funds could pick up shares in Canadian and especially Albertan oil, gas, and oil sands company and coal companies for peanuts, you know, and then probably somewhere down the road go, oh, by the way, we need this resource.

00:24:59.640 Well, by that time, it's already captive in the hands of somebody else where it will be less beneficial to us economically. 0.99

00:25:07.560 You know, my father and I were talking, father-in-law and I were talking about that this morning, that, you know, the green true believers, the environmentalists, they're the useful idiots in all of this. 0.95

00:25:21.680 Because the people who are orchestrating this green trade war, they love oil and gas, but they don't think there's anything wrong with it. 0.95

00:25:30.400 It's just a demarketing campaign against Alberta oil and gas.

00:25:35.300 And, you know, you'll have celebrities from California, and, you know, I don't know how they avoid tripping over Bakersfield to bash Alberta oil and gas, but somehow they do because they're true believers.

00:25:50.180 And they have tunnel vision, but that tunnel vision is perfect for the people who are manipulating them because they're all just part of a marketing campaign.

00:26:00.640 Right. And, you know, I think that a lot of the people on the activist side, the climate and environment activist side, they really do have a good heart.

00:26:09.620 They really have good intentions, but they don't have this broader view and they haven't looked to see where it leads.

00:26:16.920 I mean, Ian Plimmer just issued a book called Green Murder, and that's exactly where these net zero policies are leading.

00:26:25.120 People will die because of them.

00:26:27.220 We see it in the UK and in Germany, where in Germany, hundreds of thousands of people have been cut off from their electricity because they can't pay the bill.

00:26:36.480 And if you look at net zero watch, you can see that prices are skyrocketing in Britain and a whole bunch of industries have actually shut down,

00:26:45.900 like fertilizer industries that used to use natural gas.

00:26:51.740 It's too expensive now, so they've shut down.

00:26:54.300 And a byproduct of their processing used to be carbon dioxide, ironically, which was used for food processing.

00:27:03.340 And so a lot of different kinds of foods cannot be processed without that carbon dioxide byproduct.

00:27:09.100 So there will be food shortages because of that.

00:27:13.020 And come spring, when fertilizer prices are through the roof, there will be additional food shortages because many farmers will just say,

00:27:22.680 I can't afford to plant.

00:27:25.080 I just don't have the money for that kind of fertilizer.

00:27:27.780 I'll just let my crop go follow for a year or two and see what happens down the road.

00:27:32.600 Now, you know, as you know, if you're a farmer, you're probably going to be okay because you probably have maybe a few chickens,

00:27:39.120 a couple of cows or something, you know, you can plant your own garden.

00:27:43.020 But what's that going to do to people in the cities?

00:27:46.540 So people in the UK are facing extraordinary heat or poverty now.

00:27:52.540 And it's all because of these green net zero policies.

00:27:57.500 And that's going to happen to us in Canada.

00:27:59.640 It's already happening right now.

00:28:01.160 You know, we're just fortunate that we're in Alberta, where we have these fantastic resources,

00:28:07.300 and we already have the existing infrastructure to deliver gas and power to people's homes.

00:28:15.280 But, you know, it's literally a killing field when you apply net zero policies.

00:28:22.860 Now, speaking of putting people's lives at risk because of green energy policies,

00:28:31.060 you contributed an article to the Western Standard, which I think is great.

00:28:36.660 But your article asks, is being green more important than patient outcomes in health care?

00:28:44.000 And I thought this was a fantastic article because single-use plastic really has been one of the big saviors during the pandemic through hospital implications,

00:28:56.740 but also through real-world implications where, you know, restaurants have pivoted to single-use plastic because they can't have dine-in,

00:29:04.560 so they had to have takeout, and so, you know, plastic saves the day there.

00:29:08.460 And then when considering in retail stores or grocery stores where the cashiers didn't want to touch your gross reusable plastic bags anymore that are full of E. coli,

00:29:21.200 a lot of the bag bans ended, and those came back, plastic bags came back with a vengeance, which I think is great.

00:29:30.420 I think plastic is the perfect garbage.

00:29:32.520 But for you, you really looked at how green policies have bad outcomes in health care. 0.81

00:29:43.340 Yes, I watched a webinar called Climate Conversations Decarbonizing Health Care,

00:29:49.900 and I've been concerned for a long time about this shift in health care from caring for the patient to caring for the planet.

00:29:59.220 And we saw that in Alberta when Dr. Joe Vipond was a leading voice on Alberta coal phase-out.

00:30:06.580 He claimed that we would save $3 billion in health care costs,

00:30:11.800 and that many people who suffer from asthma would not suffer from it to the same extent.

00:30:18.080 And, in fact, it cost us $22 billion and more to phase out coal.

00:30:25.220 Sorry to interrupt you here, but also, I'm not sure if Dr. Joe Vipond knows,

00:30:29.480 but you can actually go online and check the air quality at Genesee or in Fort McMurray,

00:30:34.640 right beside where there are these major industrial plants.

00:30:38.040 And you can see that's often much better than outside of a hospital where Joe Vipond works in an urban centre.

00:30:45.200 You know what I mean? Like, you can check this. It's there for all of us to look at.

00:30:49.560 Yes, that actually is very true.

00:30:52.060 We did a report at the time called Dire Consequences and another one called Burning Questions,

00:30:56.920 and both of these address that very air quality issue.

00:31:01.100 But the point being that, you know, medicine relies 100% on electricity.

00:31:05.560 This is deemed to be the most important infrastructure element in delivering modern health care.

00:31:12.200 And yet, these people who are moving health care from people to planet are now saying,

00:31:20.100 oh, look at, you know, Mrs. Jones' carbon footprint, and she's frail and elderly. 1.00

00:31:25.700 And, wow, look at that. You know, she's taking up an awful lot of the footprint. 1.00

00:31:29.900 You know, maybe we should tell her we're not going to care for you anymore.

00:31:34.680 I'm serious. Like, when I watched this interview, I was in shock.

00:31:39.540 And so I went looking, did a bit more research.

00:31:42.540 And sure enough, one of the spokespeople, Jody Sherman,

00:31:46.260 has issued a net zero commentary with a few other colleagues in the British,

00:31:53.940 I think it's in the British Medical Journal or the Lancet, one or the other, I can send it to you,

00:31:58.380 calling for net zero health care.

00:32:02.180 And she thinks that because of how we all pivoted during COVID,

00:32:08.920 that it would be easy to cut global health care emissions,

00:32:13.140 which are estimated to be 5% of global emissions, in half by 2045.

00:32:19.360 And I just want to remind you that Canada's emissions are 1.6% of global emissions,

00:32:25.160 and it's going to be impossible to cut that in half by 2040 or 2050.

00:32:31.680 So it's not going to be easy to cut global health care emissions in half by 2050,

00:32:38.000 unless, of course, you stop treating people or you delete people.

00:32:44.860 And one of the guys in this same webinar said the greenest hospital is the one we don't build.

00:32:51.360 Well, in theory, that's great.

00:32:52.780 He's presumably proposing that we're all going to be healthy and fit and participation and everything else.

00:33:00.120 But, you know, throughout time, we've always had hospitals because people have accidents,

00:33:04.600 they have babies, they have diseases that come and go.

00:33:08.120 So we're always going to need a hospital.

00:33:11.640 What are these people saying? 0.98

00:33:13.180 They're insane.

00:33:14.900 And we did a video about it back in 2018,

00:33:18.040 where the Lancet had started promoting carbon taxes and renewables, wind and solar.

00:33:24.840 Who wants to have heart surgery on wind and solar?

00:33:28.680 I mean, a cloud goes overhead and your heart pump goes off.

00:33:33.140 Are you kidding me? 0.97

00:33:34.020 Like, these people are sick. 1.00

00:33:38.340 They're sick. 0.70

00:33:39.860 This is the natural progression, though, of this idea that there are too many people on the face of the earth. 0.90

00:33:47.620 Because they don't mean too many of them.

00:33:51.440 They mean too many of us.

00:33:52.780 And, you know, so when you see these young environmentalists making a conscious decision to not have children

00:33:59.580 because of the climate and they're self-sterilizing because of climate change,

00:34:05.000 the natural conclusion of this argument is,

00:34:09.120 OK, we've decided to not have people because of their carbon footprint.

00:34:16.120 Also, let's tidy up the things happening on the end of life because of their carbon footprint.

00:34:21.260 It makes perfect sense in their minds.

00:34:23.800 It's horrifying to me.

00:34:25.460 But for them, it's perfectly OK.

00:34:29.220 But also, as you were talking there, I'm thinking of the implications for the developing world.

00:34:34.680 Because if you take the rates of electrification in the developing world,

00:34:44.740 as rates of electrification go up, maternal and infant mortality rates go down.

00:34:51.320 And so when they say, you know, we need net zero health care, what that means in the developing world is no health care.

00:34:59.500 And it means women and babies die. 0.83

00:35:02.500 That's all it simply means.

00:35:03.600 It's a short, miserable life if you're ever born at all. 0.75

00:35:07.360 But I guess when you think there are too many people on the face of the earth, that's probably the ideal outcome.

00:35:12.400 Yeah, and that's one of the big ironies, I think, of Catherine McKenna and her women leading on climate.

00:35:20.360 I recently saw a video where she was promoting this whole idea of women are the leaders on climate

00:35:26.260 and women are the ones most impacted by climate change. 1.00

00:35:30.320 And therefore, we should phase out coal to save the women. 1.00

00:35:34.140 And then about half the women in the video are from Africa or other developing nations.

00:35:39.580 And as I was watching this, I'm thinking, wow, but coal is actually the thing that will elevate the lives of all these people,

00:35:47.740 will make their lives so much easier, you know, will give health to their children,

00:35:52.580 will provide sanitation, pumped water, electricity so that you can do your schoolwork after dark.

00:35:59.580 I mean, what she's, she's actually just a big eco-colonialist promoting, you know, moving past coal. 0.96

00:36:08.960 When, again, carbon dioxide is not the driver of climate change.

00:36:14.680 And by promoting these policies, she's condemning millions of people to death. 1.00

00:36:20.660 Yeah.

00:36:21.160 I'd love to see Catherine McKenna walk two miles both ways with a jug of water on her head. 1.00

00:36:25.860 Because that's the outcome she wants for these ladies. 1.00

00:36:29.740 Michelle, I want to thank you so much for taking the time to come on the show.

00:36:33.220 Why don't you let everybody know where they can find the work that you do?

00:36:35.760 Because I think we're celebrating two decades for Friends of Science,

00:36:40.780 spreading the good news of that the sun is the biggest driver of climate change,

00:36:47.020 and not you, not your SUV, not your comfortable first world life.

00:36:50.600 So let people know how they can find some of the work that you do and support you.

00:36:55.180 And then I'll let you go because I kept you long.

00:36:57.680 Thank you.

00:36:59.120 Yes.

00:36:59.620 Well, first of all, I just want to mention also,

00:37:01.620 we have a new report coming out that responds to the Net Zero Advisory Board in Canada.

00:37:06.360 And that will be posted on our blog in the next couple of days.

00:37:09.500 And you can help us out by giving us a Christmas gift.

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00:37:24.180 And we'd love to have a small donation, a big donation, a giant donation,

00:37:28.680 anything you can do to help us out.

00:37:30.560 If you're broke right now, don't worry about it.

00:37:32.800 Just share our material.

00:37:34.600 And as Catherine Hayhoe likes to say, climate, let's talk about it.

00:37:38.640 So start talking about it, even with people who disagree with you.

00:37:41.780 And let's open up this debate.

00:37:44.280 Let's have open civil debate. 0.85

00:37:46.120 Because if that had happened, say, in the UK and Germany and Europe,

00:37:50.480 if they had had open civil debate and full cost benefit analysis of those climate policies,

00:37:55.860 they wouldn't be facing the horrible tragedy of the energy crisis that they're facing now.

00:38:01.360 And that's why we have to make sure that we have open civil debate

00:38:06.040 and full cost benefit on climate and energy policies for everyone.

00:38:10.920 So thanks very much for having me on the show.

00:38:13.720 Merry Christmas to everyone and Happy New Year.

00:38:15.880 I hope we can find our way out of this mess in 2022.

00:38:19.820 And thank you, Sheila, for supporting us and always giving us a bit of airtime.

00:38:24.520 You've got it.

00:38:26.060 You know, Michelle, you work hard all year long

00:38:28.340 to make sure that everybody isn't in this heightened state of anxiety regarding climate change.

00:38:33.360 I appreciate the fact that you take extra care in talking about the little people

00:38:37.840 who are so often inundated in school with climate hysteria

00:38:42.460 and then in the social media that they consume

00:38:45.440 and even on the kids' shows on Netflix and CBC.

00:38:48.740 They're constantly being scared.

00:38:51.000 They're constantly being told to feel bad about their life,

00:38:54.520 feel bad about the jobs that their parents do.

00:38:56.620 And you take extra care in making sure that the little ones have all the facts that they need.

00:39:01.520 So thank you so much for that.

00:39:02.600 And here's to more of that in 2022.

00:39:05.020 Thank you.

00:39:05.700 And just one closing note then.

00:39:08.420 We did send an open letter to Minister Lagrange and to Jason Schilling

00:39:13.320 asking them to give Christmas climate relief to kids

00:39:17.180 and tell them what I told you at the beginning of the show,

00:39:20.120 that Greta said there's no science behind her claim of,

00:39:23.780 I want you to panic.

00:39:26.080 It's actually just a metaphor.

00:39:27.840 She doesn't want you to literally panic.

00:39:30.480 Thank you, Sheila.

00:39:31.380 Then why did she say it?

00:39:33.860 And why did the World Economic Forum give her a global platform?

00:39:38.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:39.380 Michelle, thanks so much.

00:39:40.680 Here's to more good work in 2022.

00:39:43.720 Thank you, Sheila.

00:39:44.860 All the best.

00:39:45.480 Thank you.

00:39:53.780 Long before COVID came along,

00:39:57.980 I was already meeting my daily required intake of irrational hysteria exposure

00:40:02.920 thanks to television-induced climate anxiety all around me.

00:40:06.740 That's why I'm so grateful for the work of Friends of Science.

00:40:09.980 They've done this for nearly two decades,

00:40:12.200 breaking down these big, complex, often overly intentionally complex ideas

00:40:17.040 into bites of information that normal people can understand

00:40:19.720 and then take into their day as arguments.

00:40:21.920 While everybody else is screaming that the world's on fire,

00:40:25.140 Friends of Science has been telling us to chill out.

00:40:28.000 Like a polar bear,

00:40:29.460 whose populations are exploding, by the way.

00:40:32.240 Anyway, that's the show for tonight.

00:40:33.580 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:40:35.080 I'll see everybody back here in the same time,

00:40:37.740 in the same place next week.

00:40:38.860 And remember,

00:40:40.700 don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

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Rebel News Podcast - December 23, 2021

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Why is the World Economic Forum going after fake Christmas trees？

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