Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Will the Omicron variant steal Christmas？

00:00:00.000 Oh hey Rebels, it's me, your favorite Rebel, I hope, Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're listening

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00:00:19.040 Now tonight my guest is one of the most censored men on the entire planet, and it's not because

00:00:25.320 he's saying anything radical, it's because he is saying the most normal things.

00:00:31.280 He's telling us to settle down, and that the coronavirus is not as bad as everybody says

00:00:38.500 it is, and that society at large, politicians, our public health officials, have been guilty

00:00:45.580 of a wild overreaction.

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00:01:54.960 Will the Omicron variant be the Grinch that stole Christmas?

00:02:10.760 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:02:13.160 It's another year, and that means another holiday season, and yet the chorus of public

00:02:35.740 health officials and politicians are still caroling in harmony.

00:02:38.920 However, the song they're singing is not about joining together with your friends and family

00:02:42.940 to celebrate the end of the darkest 21 months of recent human history.

00:02:48.700 The two weeks they asked for to flatten the curve took about 630 days.

00:02:52.780 No, instead they're singing their little fear jingle about the next thing we have to be scared

00:02:57.580 of, and that's the Omicron variant.

00:02:59.920 So to combat the fear and hysteria that is being blasted at society by politicians and

00:03:05.760 the TV and social media, I've reached out to a friend, Dr. Roger Hodkinson, who has been

00:03:10.300 an outspoken critic of the societal reaction to the pandemic from the very beginning.

00:03:15.080 Roger received his medical degree from Cambridge University.

00:03:18.380 He did a residency at the University of British Columbia.

00:03:20.980 He became a Royal College Certified General Pathologist and a Fellow of the College of American

00:03:26.360 Pathologists. He's a member of the College of Physicians and Surgeons here in Alberta,

00:03:31.420 and he's recognized by Queen's Bench as an expert in pathology.

00:03:36.000 He's CEO and Medical Director of Western Medical Assessments, and he was the president of the

00:03:41.020 Alberta Society of Laboratory Physicians. He's got a career in diagnosis, and yet he's been

00:03:46.480 under attack for speaking out from inside his own profession, but from without.

00:03:51.200 Now, he's not a man to be intimidated or silenced, and he always has a lot to say, so here's

00:03:56.620 some of the interview we recorded at his home yesterday afternoon.

00:04:00.580 I'm here today in the home of Dr. Roger Hodkinson, and we are obviously breaking all kinds of rules

00:04:21.700 because we're mixing households right now, and the government says that's a big no-no. But Dr.

00:04:28.280 Roger, I wanted to have you on the show today because you are a voice of reason, and you

00:04:33.980 encourage people from the very beginning of this to settle down, not panic, and act reasonably.

00:04:41.140 And yet, as it seems to always be, there's another new variant on the horizon. Just as case

00:04:49.100 counts are headed back down, the government says we have more reason to worry. So I wanted to have

00:04:54.520 you on the show to give us what you see to be the facts, the straight goods on the Omicron variant.

00:05:02.820 Well, the Omicron-scariant, you might say. For those of you who are listening who are into

00:05:10.440 crosswords, which I'm not, an anagram of Omicron is moronic. And I think that describes the situation 0.85

00:05:21.120 very well, because this is not the last variant. The Greek alphabet has other letters waiting.

00:05:30.000 And it's predictable. You can never, ever get ahead of an RNA virus, no matter how much you

00:05:38.140 vax and booster and so on. It's always for yesterday's virus. And so not only is it guaranteed

00:05:44.340 to fail, because it's targeting a virus that no longer exists. But more importantly, when you're

00:05:53.460 doing this to billions of people, literally, you are encouraging what we call evolutionary pressure

00:05:59.500 on the virus to escape control and for more variants to appear. Now, fortunately, with every

00:06:07.120 successive variant, they tend to be less infectious and less virulent, less dangerous, which is a good

00:06:13.240 thing. But obviously, this is a no-win situation. You can never, ever get to zero COVID. And so the

00:06:22.360 logical thing is, you don't have to be a physician or a scientist to realize this isn't rocket science.

00:06:30.920 If something's not been working for two years, and you've tried all these ridiculous things,

00:06:36.300 none of which have any evidence in any support in evidence-based medicine, if it's not, if everything's

00:06:42.940 failed for two years, just maybe, knock, knock, just maybe, nothing works. Just maybe. It's obvious,

00:06:52.060 isn't it? So what they need to do is stop this ridiculous rollout of an experimental vaccine 0.73

00:06:57.900 that was never needed, is not effective, as Bojo said, out of the mouths of babes.

00:07:04.280 It doesn't stop you getting it, and it doesn't stop you transmitting it. So if it was never needed,

00:07:10.440 it's not effective. And it's so bloody dangerous, with at least 20,000 deaths in the United States

00:07:16.860 and the VAERS system now attributed directly to the vaccine. 20,000 people dying because of the

00:07:23.940 vaccine is an absolute minimum. And it's probably five times that because of the unreliability of

00:07:29.800 reporting. Obviously, this whole madness should stop, and it should stop immediately before we

00:07:36.400 start injecting this stuff into children, which I call child sacrifice, even less reasonable.

00:07:44.080 The children are not getting COVID. They don't spread COVID. And if you give them the vaccine,

00:07:50.280 they're going to die of the vaccine. They'll never die of COVID, but they certainly will die of COVID

00:07:55.520 with 500 cases of myocarditis minimum in Ontario right now. A dangerous, dangerous complication.

00:08:04.920 Now, I wanted to ask you about the vaccine complications because now, across the country,

00:08:12.580 Moderna is not being recommended to young people, young men in particular. And yet, if you said that

00:08:20.380 six months ago, and you were saying it six months ago, you were a crazy person, conspiracy theorist, 0.97

00:08:25.240 and anti-science. But now, even the government is saying that, but they are pretending that people

00:08:33.000 like you were not sounding the alarm bells a long time ago. Well, of course, I was. And I said then,

00:08:39.780 and I'll repeat it now, this is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public.

00:08:45.560 And they've kept them unsuspecting intentionally. They've kept the public ignorant. 0.82

00:08:50.380 If there is no information out there of a contrary nature to what their narrative,

00:08:57.700 if physicians individually are prohibited from counseling people not to take the vaccine,

00:09:03.280 how can you have informed consent if there's no information? They are guilty of the most profound

00:09:10.660 medical, where they, I mean, the colleges of physicians and surgeons of this country,

00:09:15.420 who are there to protect you from us, are guilty themselves of the most profound medical malpractice

00:09:22.560 by prohibiting the opportunity of having informed consent. Quite apart from first do no harm,

00:09:29.960 because we know that lockdowns have produced enormous harm, disproportionate to any benefit,

00:09:35.040 and we know that the vaccines are actually killing people. So first do no harm and informed consent.

00:09:41.460 I lay at the colleges' feet the most profound example of medical malpractice this country has

00:09:47.860 ever seen, because it's not just practicing on one individual, it's practicing on society.

00:09:54.500 You know, that's really been something that you have been driving home from the beginning of this,

00:09:59.600 when you started speaking out, was that the colleges are taking the autonomy away from the doctors to

00:10:04.920 treat their patients as individual patients with individual issues.

00:10:09.440 I know I've seen this firsthand through our work with Fight Vaccine Passports. A lady named Naomi Smart 0.91

00:10:15.760 works, or used to work, for CNRL. She suffers from extreme anaphylaxis. Her doctor initially told her,

00:10:23.180 definitely do not take this vaccine. I will write you a medical exemption to protect your job with your

00:10:30.440 employer. And then the doctor said, I've been pressured not to write this, and so I won't.

00:10:37.560 So this college that's never met with Naomi, has never seen her medical records, knows nothing about

00:10:43.340 her, is overriding the doctor who's treating her. What does this mean for patient safety at the end

00:10:50.400 of the day? If this can happen with a vaccine, what other things can it happen with?

00:10:54.960 Well, if they're allowed to get away with this, obviously the future is rather bleak

00:10:59.360 for the confidentiality and importance of the patient-doctor-patient relationship.

00:11:05.380 The suppression of this traditional ability of physicians to speak their mind,

00:11:10.580 to advise an individual patient in front of you who is now sick and could die,

00:11:16.900 that right that we have to express our opinion freely has been trampled on.

00:11:22.860 And that does not bode well for the future. So it's so important that this is stopped immediately

00:11:30.960 at a regulatory level. And everyone should know, Sheila, we were together on a podcast today,

00:11:38.540 a very important decision in the British High Court, which cannot be appealed, which has supported

00:11:46.800 Dr. Sam White in Britain, a most brave physician, the tall poppy in Britain, who the NHS and the

00:11:55.620 General Medical Council were determined to silence, a five-year battle. And the High Court has now ruled

00:12:02.140 in his favor, a major win that has international significance, that a doctor can in fact speak

00:12:10.040 his mind and not suffer the retribution of the regulatory bodies to affect his position and his income.

00:12:16.800 Just so that our viewers at home might realize what happened with this doctor, he spoke out about the

00:12:25.880 COVID restrictions, what he saw as dangers adversely affecting not just his patients, but society at large.

00:12:33.780 And he was given a prohibition on speaking out even on social media. They limited his free speech and he won

00:12:43.720 a human rights decision that allows him now to speak his mind and speak what's on his heart when he sees

00:12:50.220 something dangerous to the public health.

00:12:52.800 Yes. In other words, he was treated exactly like Chris Scott at the Whistle Stop Cafe.

00:12:59.080 This is a, I can't emphasize this enough. This is a massive win for medicine and for the freedom of

00:13:07.020 expression in general, because it will have international repercussions. People will be watching

00:13:13.020 that decision and seeing what happens next. If they have any wiggle room, for example, to still get at

00:13:18.860 him, people should realize that the NHS and the General Medical Council in Britain never lose.

00:13:28.660 That's the scale of this win.

00:13:30.200 And I think, you know, when you, when you see this victory, it, I hope at least, it will embolden other

00:13:41.820 doctors to speak out, because now they realize that they can't have their human rights violated, they can't

00:13:48.140 have these free speech prohibitions on social media. It's interesting to see so frequently, and we've seen this

00:13:55.380 for years with the climate change debate. 97% of scientists agree. Yeah, because you're censoring

00:14:00.500 the other ones. And the same thing is unfolding in medicine right now, where they say, all the doctors

00:14:05.360 agree. Well, yeah, because the ones that don't, you take their license away. And even when that's not

00:14:10.920 enough, you shut them up on social media with these orders and regulatory offenses against them.

00:14:16.440 Yes, and I'd say, you know, there's, there's other, there's greater significance for this decision in

00:14:24.060 terms of the recent pronouncements by Merkel in Germany, to mandate vaccination of the unvaccinated,

00:14:32.180 no option, there'll be a syringe at your door, especially for you. And then, of course, there's the

00:14:38.340 pronouncement by the president of the EU, another German, it seems to be in their genes, doesn't it?

00:14:43.600 It's not a good look. It seems to be in their genes, doesn't it? The president of the EU saying that she would

00:14:50.100 like to scrap the Nuremberg Code. Well, of course, you want to scrap the Nuremberg Code if you're guilty

00:14:55.860 under it. So clearly, this decision has ramifications that can influence this, the continental madness that's

00:15:04.860 going on. I wanted to ask you something because you did send me an email late last week, because I'm subjecting

00:15:12.340 myself to antibody testing. My friend and I, one of us had COVID, one of us is double vaccinated.

00:15:18.940 And it's, the reason I'm doing that testing is because that testing is good enough for the

00:15:24.140 government to make their decisions, should be good enough for me. And we're seeing whose immunity

00:15:29.800 wanes faster, the double jabbed or the natural, naturally obtained immunity. But you also sent me an

00:15:36.900 email saying there are other things that I should be on the lookout for when I'm doing this test.

00:15:40.780 Yes, the antibody study is largely irrelevant. Antibodies don't last forever, even with a COVID

00:15:50.420 infection, they wane. The big point is that the immune system has two important arms. One is to

00:15:56.780 create antibodies that everyone's aware of. But there's also the cellular immunity, the so-called

00:16:02.580 T cell immunity, which is much more important as the long term memory of what you have faced and

00:16:10.560 succeeded in battling and are still alive. So those cells are ready and waiting to just go next time

00:16:19.120 you're exposed to disease X. The T cell immunity is much more important for viral illnesses. But we do

00:16:27.160 not have a readily available test in Canada in order to test for that capability. We just have the

00:16:35.200 antibody test. Better than nothing. But we know, of course, from the vaccination studies that the antibody

00:16:43.160 result response is quite temporary, six months or thereabouts. And that's the predicate, of course,

00:16:50.720 for needing to be jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab every three months to maintain that level. Quite apart from the

00:16:57.640 fact that the antibodies are no longer specific for that particular version of the virus that's around

00:17:03.860 today. It happens to be Omicron now. It'll be some other Greek letter next month for sure if the

00:17:12.160 madness of booster jabs indefinitely continues. Now, I wanted to ask you before I let you go,

00:17:19.500 because you've been very generous with your time and you're home today. You've been a bit of an oracle

00:17:25.580 from the beginning of all of this. And, you know, some would say you have a crystal ball, but I think you

00:17:29.640 have a crystal mind. What's on the horizon for society when it comes to COVID? Are we going to see the

00:17:39.760 restrictions rolled back? Are the vaccine passports permanent? What happens next?

00:17:45.560 There are already cracks in the dam, and we've heard of one in Britain just today. This tyranny always fails,

00:17:53.220 but we can't wait for the courts, as in Britain, to be decisive. There's a need for individuals to

00:18:00.060 stand up and be counted, no matter what gets thrown at you, whatever the consequences are, personal

00:18:06.100 friendships, etc. So important that individuals stand up, bang the table with their MLAs, bang the table

00:18:13.000 with your church leaders, make sure your voice is heard. The reality is, Sheila, that

00:18:21.080 very shortly, the autopsy of this mad event will be written by the likes of Alex Berenson and other

00:18:29.940 investigative journalists. Clearly, when children start dying in numbers because of this vaccination

00:18:38.240 program, that will, I think, be the last straw for the population that's currently undecided about

00:18:46.460 this whole mad episode. It will result in a huge loss of confidence in politicians.

00:18:53.300 Kennedy is, Kenny is toast. He's the dead man walking, in my opinion. And so is Trudeau. When the truth of

00:19:01.680 this starts getting out in lay language, when the autopsy is written and the basement printing press

00:19:07.940 starts working, politicians, watch out. We're coming for you. There's still a thing called elections in

00:19:16.140 this country, and you will not survive. There will be blood in the gutter. You better get ahead of the

00:19:23.900 game now, put your standard in the ground and say, I was wrong. And then perhaps you'll be forgiven.

00:19:30.660 I said that was my last question, but it wasn't my last question. My last question is, given that

00:19:38.940 we are purging the most ethical people amongst us, the resistors from academia, in the case of Dr.

00:19:49.180 Julie Panessi, in politics, in the case of Belinda Karahelios being not allowed to do her job in the

00:19:56.280 Ontario legislature, what does this mean for society's institutions? Because we are purging

00:20:04.600 the people we want in positions of power, from positions of power. What does that mean for the

00:20:10.660 advancement of medicine, society, human rights going forward? I take a very different take on COVID.

00:20:18.260 COVID is actually a very fortunate event. COVID has made us focus on the loss of freedoms.

00:20:27.580 It has a more generic concern. Yes, COVID is unfortunate. But remember, it's no worse than the

00:20:36.500 annual bad flu. You've got to have it in perspective here. This never was Armageddon. But I liken it to

00:20:43.740 a pustule that we can finally pop and get people aware of the significance of loss of freedoms,

00:20:53.060 how wokeism has taken over society, this desire to follow the herd implicitly, to give up anything

00:21:02.620 and everything just so we can have our Netflix and water bottle and iPhone and everything else is peachy.

00:21:08.500 Thank you very much. No, it's not peachy. Look what can happen if you let government get away with this

00:21:15.480 one. So when they lose on this one, which will be big time, big time, when they lose on this one,

00:21:22.960 I see it as a very positive thing for humanity because it has significance way beyond COVID.

00:21:29.880 Well, I love your optimism. And I look at things through a very particular worldview. So for me,

00:21:35.140 I do agree. Iron sharpens iron. Dr. Roger, I want to thank you so much for taking the time.

00:21:40.780 Oh, okay. I'll let you have one more. Checkmate. Mr. Kenny, checkmate.

00:21:48.340 Oh. Dr. Roger, thank you so much for your time today and your hospitality and your reasoned analysis

00:21:57.880 of the scaremongering that we live with every single day. I worry about the state of society

00:22:05.360 when everybody exists in this heightened state of anxiety where they feel justified and yelling

00:22:10.760 at total strangers in the grocery store because the TV and the politicians told them to. So I

00:22:16.020 appreciate your calm analysis with regard to everything. It's been a pleasure, Sheila. Thank you

00:22:21.660 very much. Now, for those of you who have been following along the trials and tribulations of

00:22:36.040 Dr. Roger Hodkinson, he has been slandered, maligned and written off as a kook, despite his extensive

00:22:42.040 professional and educational history. And I only listed a bit of it. There's so much. But the censorship

00:22:49.120 around Roger is so prolific you can get your Facebook page and your YouTube account cancelled

00:22:54.300 just for posting clips of him saying perfectly medically sound things. It's been my experience

00:23:00.160 in censorship that they only go after people with something dangerously important to say.

00:23:05.140 And that's why Roger's always welcome on my show to speak what's on his mind. Uncensored.

00:23:10.480 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back

00:23:14.720 here in the same time in the same place next week. And remember, don't let the government

00:23:19.380 tell you that you've had too much to think.

Rebel News Podcast - December 09, 2021

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Will the Omicron variant steal Christmas？

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