Rebel News Podcast - Should we start treating Communist China like apartheid South Africa — or Nazi Germany？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. Today, I take heed of a comment made by Steve Bannon, Trump's former advisor,

00:00:07.940 who says we've got to punish the Communist Party of China. And I started thinking, well, how do we

00:00:15.500 treat them like we treated Nazi Germany, like we treated apartheid South Africa? What's the new way 0.94

00:00:21.660 of thinking about China? I think I have a suggestion that you might find interesting.

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00:00:56.940 Tonight, should we start treating Communist China like apartheid South Africa, or even 0.74

00:01:11.440 like Nazi Germany? It's April 9th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:15.100 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know? There's 8,500 customers

00:01:22.660 here, and you won't give them an answer. The only thing I have to say to the government about why

00:01:27.880 I'm publishing it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:35.980 I've been thinking nonstop about this virus for a month, like you have, I'm sure. And if you've been

00:01:40.760 watching our show loyally, you know we've been talking about it since January. Partly it was just

00:01:45.360 noting the bizarre images emerging from China of their police state fighting both people and the

00:01:50.800 invisible virus. As far back as January, we sent reporters to airports, noting how flights from

00:01:58.380 China to Canada were arriving with no controls, no screening, no protection at all for us.

00:02:03.920 It's all so much to process, and then, like you, to watch in horror as the news over there became the

00:02:10.560 news over here and how it moves from being news about which we are passive observers from the

00:02:15.060 outside to news in which we are directly affected, as in it's not news anymore. It's our own lives.

00:02:21.060 I think it's worse than the UK, as usual. There are now ridiculous cases in Canada and the U.S. of

00:02:28.500 China-style policing in the name of social distancing. Look at this case from the States. 0.84

00:02:34.240 Brighton police are apparently arresting a dad.

00:02:37.160 On Sunday, I'm at the park with my wife, with my daughter. We're playing some T-ball. I'm not near

00:02:42.940 anybody else. The next closest person's at least 15 feet away from me and my daughter. About 4.30,

00:02:48.660 the cops show up. It was three officers, two cruisers. Next thing I know, they're telling my wife

00:02:55.160 that the park is closed. We have to leave. In complete isolation in a park of about, I don't know,

00:03:03.560 30, 40 acres. But apparently that is not allowed. I kind of, I took a stand and I told them, you know,

00:03:11.580 look, this is an open space. It's perfectly allowed. You know, you telling me to leave is a violation of my

00:03:20.360 constitutional rights. I am not leaving. You can issue me a citation if that's what you have to do.

00:03:25.660 They then proceeded to make a threat against me saying, if you don't give us your identification,

00:03:30.740 if you don't identify yourself, we're going to put you in handcuffs in front of your six-year-old

00:03:34.940 daughter. The officers put me in handcuffs. You know, they got me to the patrol car and they left

00:03:39.280 me sitting there for the next 10 to 15 minutes. So they get me out of the patrol car. They take the

00:03:44.320 handcuffs off me. So I was released free to go. No citations issued. No apologies issued.

00:04:04.160 Help me out. What exactly is the health risk of a dad and his family, who all live together anyways,

00:04:10.060 being in the middle of a huge empty field together? That's abusive policing. That's a power

00:04:14.200 trip by officers. That's the surveillance state and the public health care state. And that's the

00:04:19.740 nature of political authority. It always grows. It never shrinks. And right now, I think we're in

00:04:24.040 a key moment as free societies. Will we be conditioned to accept such infringements on our lives as normal?

00:04:30.700 Will it be normalized just like 9-11 was the shock that normalized TSA agents physically groping

00:04:37.540 millions of people, including children, humiliating all of us in the name of safety? And by the way,

00:04:43.420 it's been nearly 20 years since the TSA was formed and the Canadian version of it. And not a single

00:04:48.200 terrorist has ever been caught by the TSA. There are so many angles to this pandemic, the virus itself,

00:04:54.600 the economic devastation caused by the virus, the economic devastation caused by politicians reacting

00:05:00.260 poorly to the virus, and now the threat to our freedoms. But I want to talk about today,

00:05:07.340 not us, and how this is affecting us, and how we're mismanaging it by we. I mean, our politicians,

00:05:14.820 our health care deep state. Instead, I want to talk about they, them, the people who did this to us.

00:05:20.960 Now, a virus did this to us, and I'm not even going to get into the credible allegations that this virus

00:05:26.820 was engineered by China's biowarfare lab that just happens to be located in Wuhan. We interviewed an 0.62

00:05:32.060 Epoch Times journalist yesterday who made credible allegations about that, and we have secured the

00:05:37.080 rights for tomorrow's show to show you that whole movie, so I hope you tune in. But as I've always

00:05:42.600 said, what we know without a shadow of a doubt is that however the virus did come about, China's

00:05:48.460 Communist Party deliberately hid the news, arrested doctors who were trying to warn about the news,

00:05:53.800 lied to the world, including to the World Health Organization, which in turn they got to radiate

00:05:58.120 their lives, and engaged in outrageous bad faith conduct. The Chinese Communist Party vacuuming 0.57

00:06:04.820 up the world's medical health supplies, masks, gowns, for two months while pretending everything

00:06:10.760 was fine. China continues to lie, continues to endanger us, and too many of us are still 0.99

00:06:16.360 sleepwalking through all this, Trudeau being the obvious example. But listen to this. This is Steve

00:06:20.880 Bannon, Donald Trump's former campaign manager, and the architect for a lot of Trump's thinking

00:06:25.300 about China, especially on trade. Listen to this. But the Chinese Communist Party and their 0.99

00:06:31.520 culpability in this is really what has to be addressed. Yeah, how will that be addressed? I mean,

00:06:38.000 Steve, you and I talked on Sunday about the fact that they cornered the market for protective

00:06:43.320 equipment in January while they were downplaying the coronavirus. They actually acquired 2.02 billion

00:06:50.680 masks, 25 million pieces of protective clothing. They already make half of the capacity of all

00:06:57.900 masks in the world. Why did they need to buy another 2 billion in January while they were playing

00:07:02.900 down the coronavirus? Not just playing down, they were lying to people about the human-to-human

00:07:08.320 transmission. They knew they had it. They vacuumed up all the PPE, protective equipment, in Europe,

00:07:14.240 the United States and Brazil. So later on, they could use it as a strategic advantage to give back

00:07:20.360 to countries to kind of bleed it out like they did with Governor Cuomo. It's unacceptable. This will be

00:07:25.600 proven, and this shows you it's premeditated murder of those doctors and nurses from Italy to South

00:07:32.140 Africa to the United States that died in service to their fellow citizens in their country. The blood 0.99

00:07:37.140 is on the hands of the Chinese Communist Party. The Chinese Communist Party knew about human-to-human

00:07:42.460 transmission in December. All of this could have been stopped. The city of Wuhan and the decent,

00:07:47.740 hard-working Chinese citizens did not have to be destroyed. Ube province did not have to be

00:07:52.440 destroyed. Italy, Spain, South Africa, the United States. All of this is at the doorsteps of the 0.75

00:07:58.960 Chinese Communist Party. The Chinese people are the biggest victims. This is a murderous group of 1.00

00:08:05.000 gangsters, and they've got to be held accountable by the world. The American people, the people throughout

00:08:10.020 the world, and the Chinese people want to hold accountable the Chinese Communist Party. What

00:08:15.300 did they know? When did they know it? And what actions did they take in December, mid-December

00:08:20.660 of 2019? Yeah. If they had done what a legitimate government would have done, which is get on top

00:08:26.020 of this and not let it become their biological Chernobyl, all of the suffering, all of the economic

00:08:31.200 destruction, all the destruction of pension funds, all the unemployment, all the death would

00:08:36.100 have been avoided. It's pretty straightforward what happened. It's pretty straightforward that the

00:08:40.420 Chinese Communist Party terrorized their own citizens, and now they're a threat, as this 0.98

00:08:44.580 pandemic showed, to all mankind. The Chinese Communist Party, we have to bring the nation together to

00:08:50.480 address this. We have to hold the Chinese Communist Party and their leaders have to be held accountable 0.96

00:08:56.100 for what happened in December of 2019 in Wuhan. They have to be held accountable. The whole country has

00:09:03.080 to come together. We don't need investigations. We don't need another witch hunt. We don't need

00:09:06.920 another impeachment investigation. We need to bring the nation together to focus on what the

00:09:11.320 problem is. The problem emanates from Beijing, the Chinese Communist Party, what they've done to

00:09:16.840 their own people, and therefore what they did to the entire world. This has got to be very simple. We've

00:09:22.520 got to broom out all the noise and focus on the signal. The signal is the Chinese Communist Party.

00:09:27.800 I find that compelling. And as I said on my noon hour live stream show, I hope you're turning into

00:09:32.440 those, by the way, each weekday at 12 noon Eastern time on YouTube. I think we need to start thinking

00:09:38.120 about China no more as a trading partner. It's not really a partnership when we buy all of their stuff

00:09:43.800 and they don't let our stuff in. That's not a partner. And it's certainly, they're not an ally.

00:09:49.320 They are in no way our allies. They're much more than just a competitor as their illegal trade 0.99

00:09:55.080 practices constantly show and their industrial espionage shows. Lest we forget, we had a world

00:10:00.280 leading high tech company in Canada about 15 years ago called Nortel until China hacked it,

00:10:06.120 stole its intellectual property, and basically built Huawei out of it.

00:10:10.280 So yeah, not a business partner, but something different. I mean, we do buy things from enemies.

00:10:15.160 Sometimes for decades, we've bought oil from OPEC dictatorships, but no one pretends they are 0.51

00:10:21.400 dear friends and partners and allies, I don't think. But I think there's other analogies that

00:10:25.800 are better. Apartheid South Africa, how the world denormalized, demonized, put sanctions on South 0.92

00:10:30.680 Africa for its policies of apartheid. It was a racist system to be sure, but South Africa didn't go

00:10:35.640 around the world killing thousands of people like the virus has. Still sanctions, and more importantly,

00:10:40.680 turning them into a pariah state. Can we learn from that? I mean, isn't China a pariah state? 0.97

00:10:45.480 And the Communist Party is, by the way, heartily racist in their words and deeds. Ethnic cleansing 0.67

00:10:51.960 in Tibet, imprisonment of Uyghur Muslims, murders of Falun Gong, abuse of Christians, just to name a few.

00:10:59.000 Shouldn't we treat them like South Africa? Should we even treat them like Nazis? I mean, 0.81

00:11:02.120 Mao Zedong did kill between 50 and 80 million souls. I've seen estimates as high as 85 million dead.

00:11:08.840 That's more than Hitler killed. But Hitler attacked the world. Mao murdered his own people, mainly. No, 0.58

00:11:15.880 I don't think going to war is the answer. I think the best stance is to take a Cold War approach. 0.88

00:11:23.720 China, like the old Soviet Union, is large and nuclear-armed. You can't attack it. You can't 0.98

00:11:28.920 ignore it, but you can denormalize it, speak truth to power about it, and make sure you are never

00:11:34.280 dependent on it. We can undo favors to it. We can recognize Taiwan as an independent country,

00:11:40.360 something to our deep discredit that hasn't been done by the free world in a generation.

00:11:44.520 We can encourage our companies to leave China, preferably to come back home,

00:11:49.240 but at least somewhere else. Japan is even offering to pay its companies to get out. That's a good idea. 0.73

00:11:54.920 It's cheaper than the alternative, isn't it? And address the reasons why companies went there in the

00:11:58.840 place. A factory is a factory. It's capital-intensive, high-tech machines. Was it something else that

00:12:04.440 drove factories to China besides just cheap labor? Maybe too much red tape here at home? Too much

00:12:09.000 hassle? I don't know, but let's bring our factories home with carrots. It's possible what Japan is doing, 0.98

00:12:15.320 but with sticks too. Tariffs on anything made in China. And use that money from the tariffs to help 1.00

00:12:20.520 pay for the reshoring of companies that do come back. Do you really like the fact that we are held

00:12:25.080 hostage by China for most of our medicines? It's made in China. For medical equipment? I don't 0.99

00:12:30.600 like that one bit. I think we have to clean out China's influence in global institutions too, or 0.98

00:12:35.880 since that is likely impossible, simply create new institutions for democracies only.

00:12:41.000 Why does China have a veto at the UN Security Council? Why is China on the UN's Human Rights

00:12:46.520 Commission and other commissions like that? Why does China, the virus infector, run the World Health 1.00

00:12:52.040 Organization? Why ask why? Why not just do what Trump is musing about doing and just defund them?

00:12:56.920 We want to look into a World Health Organization because they really are, they called it wrong.

00:13:04.440 They call it wrong. They really, they missed the call. They could have called it months earlier.

00:13:10.280 They would have known, and they should have known, and they probably did know. So we'll

00:13:16.280 be looking into that very carefully, and we're going to put a hold on money spent to the WHO. We're

00:13:23.960 going to put a very powerful hold on it, and we're going to see. It's a great thing if it works,

00:13:29.320 but when they call every shot wrong, that's no good. Defund them, and how about starting new

00:13:33.960 institutions for liberal democracies? Not useless talk shops that simply demonize democracies and run

00:13:39.960 cover for dictatorships. Let the UN move its headquarters to Wuhan and give a new democratic

00:13:47.800 institution its office space in New York. And let's do what Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher

00:13:52.760 and Pope John Paul II did to the Soviet Union. Let's speak truth to power. Let's call them out all the 0.93

00:13:58.520 time. Let's denormalize them, and let's quietly support dissidents. Reagan and the West supported the

00:14:04.840 Polish solidarity labor union that helped undo the Soviet Union, Lech Walesa. Obviously, the Pope 0.86

00:14:12.920 himself visited Poland and had a massive outdoor mass, more than a million Poles, and he told them,

00:14:19.000 be not afraid. And so they weren't afraid anymore. Let's do that sort of thing to China. Let's unhook 1.00

00:14:24.840 ourselves from China industrially, financially. Let's root them out. Let's send home many of the 100,000 1.00

00:14:32.360 Chinese nationals at our Canadian universities. Let Canadian kids into those college spaces and stop 1.00

00:14:38.120 the massive technology transfer and outright industrial espionage conducted by some of that

00:14:43.720 group. But not all of those Chinese students are bad people. Of course not. Again, this isn't a war

00:14:49.000 against the Chinese people. But the 100,000 Chinese elites who are going to our schools, they're not 0.99

00:14:54.600 regular random Chinese people. They're the sons and daughters of privilege, the children of Communist 1.00

00:15:00.360 Party officials in many cases. Why are they here anymore? As we've shown you, too many of these

00:15:08.200 students have in fact stolen Canadian industrial secrets, including virus secrets, as happened just

00:15:14.440 last year. The police had to get involved. Sorry, this is hard to do because we've gone so far the wrong way.

00:15:20.760 So much of our lives is made in China. Our computers are made in China. Our cell phones are made in China. 0.98

00:15:26.680 Half the junk at Walmart and Canadian Tire is made in China. Our medicines are made in China.

00:15:32.600 But you know, our pandemic was made in China, too. And so was the cover-up. It was made in China. 0.95

00:15:39.320 The danger still comes from China. Let's at least start acting like it. And maybe one day, 1.00

00:15:44.760 like Poland, the Chinese people will be free. Stay with us for more.

00:15:56.680 Welcome back. Well, the other day, we had an interesting interview with Sam Goldstein. As you

00:16:07.880 know, he's a bencher, which is a very senior lawyer in Ontario. He's a civil libertarian,

00:16:14.360 and he's a criminal lawyer by profession. And he took us through some of the emergency powers that both

00:16:20.280 the federal government, provincial governments, and even city governments have in dealing with the

00:16:25.000 pandemic. One of the things that I found slightly reassuring from that conversation, it felt like a 0.84

00:16:31.160 professorial class in university. Sam was a very good explicator of things. One of the things I

00:16:38.360 found reassuring was that in the various emergency provisions we talked about, there were time limits.

00:16:45.160 There were mechanisms by which even opposition MPs or senators could force parliament to return to

00:16:52.200 reconsider things. There were also oversight provisions for the governor general or the

00:16:57.560 lieutenant governors of provinces. And finally, there was a reporting requirement that after a

00:17:04.360 state of emergency, the government had to sort of justify its actions. Now, of course, all of those

00:17:09.240 things don't stop abuses. And one of the things that Sam emphasized was that if there is an abuse,

00:17:15.880 it would likely only be remedied later on, not in the emergency itself. But still,

00:17:21.320 he gave me some reassurance in our conversation. So it was with great interest that I took a phone

00:17:27.400 call from our friend John Carpe of the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms, who told me

00:17:32.280 that he was alarmed by emergency powers proposed by the government of Alberta, led by Jason Kenney,

00:17:40.760 who of course is conservative in nature. And from what I know of Jason, a respecter of civil liberties in

00:17:48.120 general. I think it's also fair to say that Alberta has had one of the better responses

00:17:54.360 to the pandemic, or at least more effective. But I said to John, let's come on the show and let's talk

00:18:00.280 about your concerns about Alberta's Bill 10. You can see on the Justice Center for Constitutional

00:18:09.560 Freedom's website, the headline given to the bill by John's team is, Alberta government gives itself

00:18:16.120 sweeping new powers to create new laws without legislative assembly approval. And joining us now

00:18:22.840 via Skype from Calgary is our friend John Carpe. John, great to see you again. Tell me some of the

00:18:31.240 details about Bill 10. What are the elements of it that you find troublesome from a democratic or civil

00:18:39.880 liberties point of view? Well, it was rushed through the legislature in less than 48 hours. It was

00:18:47.320 introduced by Health Minister Tyler Shandro on March 31. And by April the second, it had passed second

00:18:56.520 reading and third reading and is now in force. And the provision that's most concerning is a new power

00:19:05.240 given to cabinet ministers to create laws, write laws, but without consultation, without the approval,

00:19:15.880 or even the debate or the input of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta. Now, this adds to there was

00:19:23.160 previously already under the Public Health Act, the ministers had power to suspend laws, which is,

00:19:31.400 you know, pretty drastic, but you know, could be necessary. For example, if you had a Motor Vehicles

00:19:37.800 Act provision that says you cannot have a bunch of large trucks that are hogging the highway in an

00:19:44.920 emergency. You could say, well, we're going to suspend that provision of the Motor Vehicle Act,

00:19:50.040 and we're going to allow, you know, a bunch of large trucks to drive side by side and monopolize the 0.61

00:19:54.920 highway. So you could suspend certain provisions of certain laws. What Jason Kenney's government did

00:20:03.800 March 31st to April 2nd was to add on to that a new power to create laws that cabinet ministers now have

00:20:14.600 during the public health emergency. Okay, so let's be clear here. I don't have a text of the law in

00:20:19.880 front of me, and maybe you could refer to actual wording that causes you concern. One of the things

00:20:23.960 that Sam, and I'm using him as the baseline, because I felt like he gave sort of an overview of emergency

00:20:30.840 powers that were temporary in nature. And he started by saying that this is ancient, even ancient Rome,

00:20:36.840 put in power someone they called the tyrant who could rule. And they were lucky in that after the

00:20:46.120 tyrant ruled for two years, he said, all right, I'm done. I'm going to go back to being a farmer,

00:20:50.120 and you, you know, the Senate can take over. Are the laws you referred to, not just the suspension

00:20:57.160 of existing laws, but the creation of new laws, are they temporary in nature? So when you say a new law,

00:21:04.680 like there's, there's dozens of laws, the, you know, you mentioned the Highway Traffic Act,

00:21:12.360 those laws are enduring. And during an emergency, they can be suspended. But then after the emergency,

00:21:18.520 they revert back, are these laws that you say can be created unilaterally by fiat, are they also

00:21:28.200 time-limited in nature, or do they endure beyond the emergency?

00:21:33.560 Yes, they are time-limited, which is good. The, the orders would expire and the laws would expire

00:21:40.600 depending on whether it was a public health emergency or a pandemic influenza. These powers would expire

00:21:47.080 after 30 or 60 days, and they can be renewed by the provincial cabinet, but that's also time-limited.

00:21:54.440 Where the challenge is, is that the, the, the law does not stop the government from renewing

00:22:03.720 the public health emergency on and on and on. So a public health emergency is supposed to be 30 days,

00:22:09.480 and then, you know, we're, we're back to normal, but the government could renew that 30-day period

00:22:16.600 over and over and over and over and over again, because there's nothing in the legislation that

00:22:22.280 stops the government from doing that. So that's a concern.

00:22:25.640 Right. And again, I don't mean to, it would have been interesting to have Sam Goldstein in on this

00:22:30.680 conversation because he really has gone deep on this subject. And, and that was one of the things

00:22:35.720 that we talked about. I'm sorry to sort of try and echo what he said. I'm obviously not as well-briefed

00:22:41.240 on it as, as he is, but you know, it is a fact that sometimes emergencies do last longer than 30

00:22:49.640 days or 60 days. One of the things I found, as I mentioned, reassuring in his description of at

00:22:55.160 least, I think it was the federal emergency power, was that if you had, I think it was 10 senators or,

00:23:01.560 or, or 20 MPs, or maybe it was the, it was a low number like that of opposition MPs, they could at least

00:23:07.240 force a review, a gut check, which I found somewhat comforting because even if, even if the loyalists

00:23:16.680 around the prime minister said, no, this is fine, the opposition still had that special power. Is that

00:23:24.040 there in the provincial legislation? Because look, I am as alert to civil liberties issues as you are,

00:23:31.960 I think. Maybe not quite, because it's all you do for a living. But if there was a way that even,

00:23:38.920 let's say, Rachel Notley, the socialist NDP opposition leader in Alberta with whom I disagree

00:23:45.000 on nearly everything, if I knew that she had a similar power to at least once in a while pull 0.88

00:23:52.760 the legislature back to have a vote or an affirmation that, yeah, the emergency continues,

00:23:58.840 I would find that somewhat reassuring. Does that exist provincially here?

00:24:05.000 Not to my knowledge, but I do need to double check whether we have those provisions provincially.

00:24:11.320 So I'd like to, I'd like to look into that and get back to you if I can.

00:24:14.760 Sure. And, and again, I'm not trying to put you on the spot. We're all learning about these

00:24:19.480 rarely used powers together. Sam was telling us about how some of these powers have only been used

00:24:26.280 three times in Canadian history, both World Wars and the FLQ crisis pretty much 50, almost 50 years

00:24:34.760 ago in Quebec. So these are not normal times and normal laws. I think you're wise to be alert to

00:24:41.800 these things, John, because it's in these times of crisis that by nature politicians, bureaucrats, police

00:24:50.040 seize ground that they could not get in normal times. And it's often a ratchet effect. That is,

00:24:58.600 once these infringements are there, you never get rid of them. I mean, the income tax itself was just

00:25:04.680 till we get through this great war. Well, it's been more than a century. Tell me if there's been any use

00:25:11.160 of this power. Well, I guess it's still a bill. Has there been any, when, when there was these,

00:25:18.680 the debate in the legislature to rush this through, was there any suggestion by the government of what

00:25:25.640 they might use this power to do? No, and that's disconcerting. Now, so far, to my knowledge, the

00:25:32.200 government has not used these, these new powers yet. But the only thing that was stated by, you know,

00:25:38.680 first by the health minister, Tyler Chandro, and I, I read through the Hansard and as well as another

00:25:45.640 cabinet minister was, you know, this is to better look after the health and safety. This is to better

00:25:54.520 protect Albertans and protect the health and safety of Albertans. Just those platitudes were the only

00:26:02.520 justification that was put forward. I would actually have more confidence in, in Jason

00:26:08.360 Kenny's government in pushing this bill through, if they said, well, look, here's an example or two

00:26:14.040 or three examples of why or how a cabinet minister might need to create a new law on the fly or create

00:26:21.720 a new offence. That's the other thing. The cabinet, a cabinet minister can single-handedly, without any

00:26:28.200 legislative review by the legislative assembly, can create new offences. Now, they cannot be retroactive,

00:26:34.360 but he can say, well, it's, it's an offence to, to walk outside, unless you're on, you know, a special

00:26:43.400 government approved list of people who are allowed to go outside. The fines and penalties are draconian

00:26:49.240 as well. They were already a maximum fine of $2,000 for first offence for disobeying the Public Health Act.

00:26:57.000 That's been jumped up to $100,000 that you can be fined for disobeying the Public Health Act.

00:27:03.800 And on a subsequent offence, $500,000 fines. So that's, that's pretty serious as well.

00:27:13.080 Yeah. And again, I, I don't want to want to continuously reach back to what Sam Goldstein

00:27:18.280 told us last week, but it is my only source of knowledge on this subject, John. So forgive me for

00:27:23.800 doing that. And I'm sure that Sam, if he would be watching this, would cringe that I'm not getting

00:27:28.440 it just perfectly. But one of the things he told me is that even in these emergency laws,

00:27:34.520 while you're, you're obviously correct, and this bill clearly, the way you describe it clearly says

00:27:41.400 the, the democratic machinery is eliminated. The laws just come into existence without the typical,

00:27:48.280 you know, first reading, second reading, committee hearings, third reading, vote, etc.

00:27:53.640 So the laws are created undemocratically, at least in, in contrast to our normal processes.

00:28:01.480 They still must be implemented in accordance with the Charter of Rights principles. So,

00:28:09.160 you mentioned banning people from walking on the street. And I think that is something that we

00:28:16.360 probably will see in some form, but there would be some requirement that it be the least intrusive

00:28:25.960 measure that makes sense, that it's, that it does make sense, that there's some pressing need,

00:28:32.120 and that while perhaps some rule against reopening a theater might survive that test,

00:28:39.320 some rule against walking by yourself in the countryside might not meet the test. Again,

00:28:46.200 I'm not, I'm certainly not presenting myself as a defender of Bill 10. I actually haven't even read

00:28:52.120 the bill. And I'm not certainly defending my, putting myself forward as a defender of Jason Kenney's

00:28:57.480 government. I'm just, I'm just trying to find out the four corners of what's going on here.

00:29:03.240 And if this is in fact, just the Alberta example of what's being done in every province, territory,

00:29:08.520 and the federal government, because I think the whole country is acting under some sort of emergency

00:29:14.520 legislation right now. Well, there's a, the charter does apply, which is good. And the courts are largely

00:29:23.160 shut down, but they supposedly are entertaining emergency applications. So, you know, our, our organization,

00:29:32.600 the justice center, for example, if, if we felt that there was an egregious and unnecessary,

00:29:39.320 unreasonable, unjustified violation of charter freedoms, we would, you know, fax file or e-file,

00:29:47.000 and we would hope that the courts would look at that as, as an emergency and choose to hear it.

00:29:52.840 But we're not, you know, we're not trigger happy. We understand that there, there can be temporary

00:30:00.280 violations of charter freedoms. I mean, your mobility rights, your freedom of association,

00:30:06.680 freedom of peaceful assembly, some restrictions on your freedom of religion, restrictions on your

00:30:13.240 right to liberty and security of the person. Some restrictions on a temporary basis, you know,

00:30:20.040 can be justified. And, but we're just watching very closely to make sure that the no line is crossed,

00:30:28.280 where it really becomes irrational, unreasonable type of a law or order. You know, I find it

00:30:37.240 disconcerting that you hear media reports about people getting tickets for being alone in a park,

00:30:43.640 or they're, they're with their own child in a park. British Columbia is shutting down all parks

00:30:50.200 over Easter. And it's like, why can't we just do social distancing in a public park? Why does it have

00:30:55.480 to be shut down entirely? So, you know, we have to be very vigilant and like the temporary income tax

00:31:02.840 that's now a century old, we have to push very, very hard after this emergency is over to, to make

00:31:10.440 sure we get all of our rights and freedoms back in full. Yeah. I mean, listen, I, I agree with you

00:31:16.360 that we are in a dangerous time. Uh, the city of Ottawa, it has banned people sitting by themselves

00:31:25.800 on park benches. What is the possible like that? There's just no medical, there's no scientific,

00:31:33.640 but that's just, that's just a bully, uh, using his emergency powers for some, like sitting on a

00:31:41.240 park bench by yourself. Um, I, that doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe shutting down a, um, you know,

00:31:49.880 a, a, a dance club, nightclub, hot, sweaty, everyone breathing in one small place where you would

00:31:56.760 probably share a lot of germs, I guess. Everybody's speaking, speaking moistly as our prime minister would say.

00:32:02.360 Um, well, listen, let me say this. I think that what you're talking about, and I have not gone

00:32:08.520 through bill 10 is, is a version of what every province and federal government is doing. Uh,

00:32:14.600 now maybe what you're saying is this goes beyond the existing emergency legislation in the province.

00:32:20.040 And I accept your, uh, view on that, if that's what you're saying.

00:32:24.600 The difference, if I can just interject for a second, the difference is that we've, we've moved

00:32:29.320 in Alberta from the temporary power of cabinet ministers to suspend the operation of certain laws.

00:32:35.720 So temporarily you can say that, you know, section 27.9 of the employment standards code

00:32:41.640 doesn't apply or section 285 of the motor vehicle act doesn't apply. So temporary suspension. What's

00:32:48.520 different here is that Jason Kenney's government has taken for itself a power to actually write new

00:32:55.160 laws and create new offenses. That's the distinction, uh, that makes this unique in Canada. As far as I

00:33:02.200 know, there's no other province that has, uh, passed legislation to, uh, to give cabinet ministers

00:33:09.000 the power to write laws on the fly, on the spur of the moment.

00:33:12.280 Well, listen, and whether or not other provinces were doing it is not the test of whether or not

00:33:17.160 it's right. Uh, every province might be making the same mistake together. Um, although it is an

00:33:22.440 indication whether or not this is quote normal. Well, let me close on this, John. I mean, we've,

00:33:27.240 you've been probably one of our most frequent guests over the years at rebel news. And although we

00:33:31.720 haven't done so, uh, in the past few months in the past, we have worked with you, uh, to even crowdfund some

00:33:41.240 legal defense for people who have been mistreated typically by the state. Uh, if you come across a

00:33:49.480 case of someone sitting on a park bench and getting a ticket or someone out for a walking their dog

00:33:56.520 getting a ticket. And if that, uh, if you see an abuse of the law like that, we would love to be

00:34:04.040 involved in two ways. Not only number one, what we like to do around here, crowdfund to help cover

00:34:10.440 your costs because justice center for constitutional freedom is a nonprofit. So we got to help you out

00:34:15.080 your charity. But number two, to shine the light of public scrutiny on it, to hopefully dissuade

00:34:22.840 other cops or health cops who were worse, like at least a cop with a gun. Uh, a lot of his training

00:34:30.680 is on self restraint because he's got the ultimate power to kill theoretically. So a lot of police

00:34:37.960 training is don't overreact. Don't shoot someone just because they swear at you. Don't, don't, don't.

00:34:44.440 I would frankly trust a cop with a gun to limit himself more than a public health bureaucrat who's

00:34:53.160 just trying out his new powers. And you know, it's this high priestly class now that can simply

00:34:59.960 issue demands and commands. I'm actually more worried about the health cops than the cops cops.

00:35:05.720 Uh, so if you find a case like that, we would love to make an example out of it as a warning to other

00:35:13.000 authorities, don't do that. So keep your eyes peeled, John. And if you find a particular case where this

00:35:19.240 comes true in a bad way, let us know. I will let you know. And can I, can I just one important

00:35:25.480 piece of information? If you get a ticket that you think is unfair, something ridiculous, like you're 0.51

00:35:31.800 out in a public park, you know, with, with your, with your kids and just minding your own business

00:35:37.240 and getting some fresh air and you get a ticket, be sure to plead not guilty and force a trial.

00:35:43.160 And in a lot of cases, the crown prosecutors who are trained lawyers and, you know, more,

00:35:49.000 maybe, uh, certainly have a better knowledge of the law than, than, uh, the, the people issuing

00:35:53.800 tickets in a lot of cases, the crown prosecutors will withdraw the charges. So there's some important

00:35:59.080 free legal advice for, uh, listeners and viewers of the rebel is if, if you get a ticket that you think

00:36:04.360 is unfair, uh, don't pay it, plead not guilty and set a trial date and, uh, you know, protect yourself

00:36:11.960 that way. You know, and my last reference to my interesting talk with Sam Goldstein the other

00:36:16.520 day, he, in his own family, he had two instances. His, I think his niece, he said, uh, was accosted

00:36:22.760 just for being on the sidewalk. Look, I think looking at her phone or something, no reason at all. Just

00:36:28.200 a cop said, what are you doing? And Sam himself was walking his dog and some bylaw officer started

00:36:34.680 pestering him. He, he's a sophisticated lawyer. So he knew he didn't even have to stop and talk to this

00:36:40.280 pest. But, uh, I think the ordinary Canadian is still deferential to authority, which is probably

00:36:47.000 a good thing. Uh, we trust authority. It's probably a good thing. Um, and we're all trying to figure

00:36:54.440 out this pandemic together. What, what are the do's and don'ts? So I, I think that Canadians by nature

00:37:01.240 would say, oh, sorry. Uh, and sometimes that's the right answer, but other times you have to push back.

00:37:07.480 And I am worried that in the longterm, the abuses by public health authorities will do more damage

00:37:14.840 to our society than the actual virus itself. Um, I hope that doesn't come true, but that's a

00:37:20.040 worry. Last word to you, John. The, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. So we need to, uh,

00:37:29.160 watch the politicians closely and carefully. And when there is ridiculous and unjustified government 0.73

00:37:34.600 action, uh, we need to speak up and fight back even when there's a pandemic in place.

00:37:41.320 All right. Well, John, if any, uh, examples of government abuse come to your attention,

00:37:48.120 let us know whether it's in Alberta or anywhere else in the country. Frankly,

00:37:51.960 uh, um, although this bill is Albertan, it would not surprise me if the greatest abuses came from other

00:37:57.800 jurisdictions that are less freedom oriented than Alberta. Thanks for your time, my friend.

00:38:04.600 Thank you.

00:38:05.480 All right. There you have it. John Carpe. He's the boss of the Justice Center for Constitutional

00:38:09.800 Freedoms. He joined us via Skype from Calgary. Stay with us more ahead.

00:38:14.440 Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday about a media party poll calling for more subsidies. Frank

00:38:28.360 writes, how the national post has fallen. I loved it under Conrad Black. If the media did good

00:38:33.400 journalism, they would not need a bailout. Think of Rush Limbaugh, Mark Stein and yourself. Well,

00:38:38.120 thank you for including us in that list of great journalists. Um, there is more journalism in the

00:38:42.920 world than ever right now. Just so much of it is done by citizen journalists. It's a joke to call

00:38:48.840 journalism a profession, uh, because that implies that it's like a priesthood and you have secret

00:38:54.200 codes and no, no, no. Journalism, look at the root of the word. It comes from the word journal. It comes

00:38:59.320 from the word jour, the day. Did you write about the day? Tell me about your day. You don't need to be

00:39:04.040 a professional to tell about the day. And so each of us has become a publisher on Facebook. Each of us

00:39:10.520 has become a broadcaster on YouTube. And you know what's so funny? As all these legacy media companies

00:39:16.680 make their talent work from home, whether it's the late night talk show hosts like Jimmy Fallon or the

00:39:23.800 daytime talk show hosts like Ellen DeGeneres or newscasters like Chris Cuomo on CNN, they're

00:39:30.600 broadcasting out of their own basements on a cheap camera with bad lighting too. They don't have

00:39:37.160 makeup artists. They don't have audiences there with laugh tracks. So really, can you tell me the

00:39:44.760 difference anymore between a fancy journalist who's working from home and an unfancy journalist

00:39:51.240 who's working from home? There is no difference. There's more journalism now than ever. What irritates

00:39:56.520 that professional journalist is that the competitors are people like you and me.

00:40:00.920 Brandon writes, journalists are basically just activists. They talk about issues that no one

00:40:06.600 cares about, like climate change and other leftist talking points. Yeah, I think a lot of journalists

00:40:11.640 are activists. Obviously, there's an exception to this everywhere. There are genuinely interesting

00:40:17.320 journalists out there. One recommendation I saw about a month ago that would have been so useful,

00:40:22.520 especially in the Trump press conferences where it's just pure gotcha all day long,

00:40:27.000 is if these media companies, instead of sending their gotcha journalists like CNN's Jim Acosta,

00:40:33.720 for example, what if they had sent their science writers? Like someone who actually had a little

00:40:40.520 bit of knowledge about science and wasn't obsessed every day with gotcha partisanship. I think that

00:40:47.160 would have been more useful. But it just goes to show that I don't really think journalists have done a

00:40:54.360 good job in covering this pandemic in Canada. Our journalists are very complacent and haven't asked

00:40:59.560 Trudeau any tough questions. But you are correct to note that, you know, Greta Thunberg isn't exactly 0.75

00:41:06.120 important anymore and gender studies isn't exactly important anymore. When things are in extreme times,

00:41:13.480 people don't care about those leftist luxuries. Caitlin writes, Trudeau already gave the media 600

00:41:19.640 million in bailouts. No more. Oh, yes, there will be a lot more. And I can tell you how to time it.

00:41:29.560 The worse Trudeau does in the polls, the more he has gaffes, expect more waves of bailouts. So if he

00:41:36.520 starts to tank in the polls because of the looming recession, expect a lot more bailouts to his fan base,

00:41:42.920 journalists. All right, that's the show for today. Until tomorrow, where we have a special presentation

00:41:47.960 of that Epoch Times investigative documentary. From all of us here at World Headquarters,

00:41:52.280 see you at home. Good night. Stay healthy and keep fighting for freedom.

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