Rebel News Podcast - April 23, 2021


Spencer Fernando on Andrew Says

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climate reset and politics
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Justin Trudeau Spencer Fernando Doug Ford Erin O'Toole Rachel Notley Andrew Lawton Shawn O'Shea COVID-19 Efron Peel Jeez
Policeman Derek Chauvin was convicted of murder for the death of George Floyd. What does that mean๏ผŸ Ontario cop pushes kid off scooter, Alberta's brutal restaurant lockdowns

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Spencer Fernando, a writer and campaign fellow with the National Citizens Coalition, joins me to talk about the Great Reset and why we should all be worried about it. We also talk about how governments are planning to use the pandemic crisis as an opportunity to implement policies they previously could not achieve through democratic means.

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00:00:00.000 Spencer Fernando is a writer a campaign fellow with the National Citizens Coalition and you
00:00:13.320 can find him on Twitter at Spencer Fernando and SpencerFernando.com how are you doing today
00:00:18.300 Spencer thanks for joining me not too bad yourself I'm doing well thank you now the first thing I
00:00:24.000 wanted to get right into and talk to you about was I think it's the only video you have on your
00:00:29.040 YouTube channel I know that you're a writer so you probably don't have time to do these videos
00:00:32.900 but the lone video you have is a really good one and it's about the Great Reset and you're talking
00:00:37.380 a bit about how it was considered a conspiracy theory but we're now we're watching it in real
00:00:41.960 time pretty much across the world so let's go ahead and play that clip for anyone who hasn't seen it
00:00:45.920 and I will talk about it Justin Trudeau has now openly admitted what was once considered by many
00:00:51.340 to be a conspiracy theory governments are seeking to exploit the pandemic crisis to impose policies
00:00:57.440 they previously could not achieve through democratic means Trudeau stated the pandemic has been an
00:01:03.280 opportunity to reset things and implement plans the government had been unable to force on us
00:01:08.880 before the crisis of course you weren't asked if you wanted a Great Reset you weren't asked if you
00:01:16.100 wanted everything reshaped I want to ask you where do you think that this whole Great Reset thing
00:01:21.680 comes from clearly governments are implementing it in different ways do you think there's a group of
00:01:26.680 people directing this or this politicians mimicking each other to gain more power yeah I think it's a
00:01:32.840 bit of both I think I mean you know they always go and they meet with each other every year at a lot
00:01:36.480 of these conferences so you know Davos for example so that's not a big surprise but I think the the
00:01:41.780 problem is that this kind of fits into the the mindset that a lot of people in politics just
00:01:45.860 naturally have right like if you go into politics in the first place unless you're really a libertarian type
00:01:51.220 person you're probably more someone who thinks okay I'm going to use the government to reshape
00:01:55.400 society and make people act in the way that I think they should as opposed to just protecting
00:01:59.720 the right to make their own choices
00:02:01.560 so I think when a crisis hits you know a lot of politicians they kind of think the same way they
00:02:05.080 say oh wow look you know people are really scared right now I think we shouldn't we can
00:02:08.920 probably force through some stuff that we wouldn't get away with otherwise
00:02:13.080 so I think you're right it's a mix of you know people actually talking to each other and
00:02:17.320 trying to make plans but I think a lot of it is they just mimic each other and they say I mean look at
00:02:21.000 they're all using the exact same terminology right they're all saying build back better you see almost
00:02:25.160 every leader of every country saying the exact same thing we're all supposed to be independent
00:02:29.560 countries with their own politics and our own decisions right but they're all saying the same
00:02:34.040 thing and talking the same way so yeah I think that's it would have been called a conspiracy before
00:02:38.680 but it's pretty obvious now is that why you think the goalposts keep shifting because as long as the
00:02:43.160 people are willing to go along with it then we can just you know change our goal and change what we
00:02:47.960 are moving towards so long as you know we keep gaining momentum and power do you think that's
00:02:53.160 fair to say yeah I mean you look at what happened in Ontario right and again this is I don't think
00:02:58.280 it's really coordinated between all governments but it's just the the mindset they have I mean and
00:03:03.160 again you know supposedly a conservative government in Ontario right not too much conservative going on
00:03:07.480 there but they pushed and pushed and pushed and got away with everything until people finally had a
00:03:12.200 limit it literally took them Doug Ford basically saying all the police are going to be able to be
00:03:17.240 you know show me your papers police demand to stop anyone walking at any time driving at any time
00:03:23.480 and people finally said you know this looks like it's going a little bit too far but that's what
00:03:27.000 it took for people to react and if people hadn't have reacted then Ford would have kept pushing and
00:03:31.480 other premiers and other leaders in other parts of the world would have looked and said okay well they
00:03:36.040 got away with that on Ontario let's try it out here so they're definitely mimicking each other and
00:03:40.120 they're definitely trying to push us as far as they think will go I definitely agree and we'll get more to that
00:03:44.840 specific thing later but I wanted to pivot to Aaron O'Toole and the federal conservatives I want to
00:03:50.280 play what I think is a hilarious video of Aaron O'Toole talking about his climate plan I think it's
00:03:56.040 on CTV and it's just ridiculous from the get-go so let's play that and I'll ask I have some questions
00:04:01.880 about that for you you've called this plan daring yet it is comparable to the emissions reduction seen
00:04:08.360 under the current federal system so if it truly is daring why not go further and try to reduce
00:04:14.200 emissions even more than what we currently have it's daring because we're going further in protecting
00:04:21.400 jobs in growing the economy and making sure we have a prosperous Canada after COVID-19 we meet we match
00:04:29.720 Mr. Trudeau's emission reductions by 2030 it's a smart plan to reduce emissions but it's vastly superior
00:04:38.200 on securing and creating jobs getting our economy back to work in all sectors and in all regions of
00:04:43.480 the country that's what makes it daring it actually grows the economy so forget about him looking left
00:04:49.880 and right to his lines which are on both sides of him whoever decided that that was the background
00:04:55.560 the climate moving in the mountain behind should be fired from the get-go I want to ask you Spencer
00:05:01.400 how do you think that they're protecting jobs by taxing businesses what's the logic there well they're
00:05:08.040 not obviously he knows that I mean if you look at what he said about Trudeau's plan up until you know a
00:05:13.720 few days ago he was saying you know carbon taxes are job killers right so now it's shifted of course uh but 0.84
00:05:19.560 yeah I mean to be honest he really looks like a clown when he tries to pull that kind of stuff because
00:05:23.800 that's exactly what Rachel Notley said that's exactly what Justin Trudeau said when they brought
00:05:27.720 in carbon taxes oh it's not a tax it's a levy and it's good for the economy blah blah blah
00:05:32.440 so it's it's just kind of embarrassing for him uh he's really backed himself into a corner at this
00:05:37.080 point I mean you know all the reports show that he he apparently didn't tell most of his caucus
00:05:41.400 about any of this stuff so a lot of them were caught off guard and uh yeah he just has to somehow
00:05:46.840 try to justify a terrible plan and the plan is in many ways worse than the liberal plan I mean
00:05:51.320 he talks about creating jobs I guess maybe for the banking industry or whoever is going to be
00:05:55.400 you know managing that fund uh that and so and you know what's even worse about it is there's not
00:06:01.720 really a shred of conservative thinking in it I mean you could totally see the NDP coming up with
00:06:05.960 basically the exact same plan or the greens really you know we take your money from you and then we put
00:06:10.440 it into a fund or an account and you don't get to choose whatever you want to spend it on no you get
00:06:15.320 to pick from what the government tells you and that's supposedly a conservative plan so yeah I don't know how he
00:06:20.920 thinks he's going to sell this to people yeah I wanted to ask you about that I mean he's doing
00:06:25.160 this thing that almost is comparable to the green new deal if he was to expand it into a manifesto like 0.91
00:06:30.200 AOC does it's basically that um and he he says on one hand Trudeau sucks and everything and he's
00:06:37.400 saying that for years but all of a sudden true Trudeau's plan is good he's saying this plan is good
00:06:42.840 and we're we're just not making it worse after saying that they're so bad for all this for for all of
00:06:48.840 time I want to say now he's trying to force industries to change I don't see how that will
00:06:54.600 create jobs at all and there's a and there's I think there's a tweet from yours that actually points
00:06:59.000 out um if we could put that up Efron here it is studying the potential for introducing new taxes
00:07:05.160 on frequent flyers and uh luxury cars how I mean can you explain this new like uh points reward system
00:07:13.160 that they've got going uh not really I don't think they can explain it either um I mean the best I can
00:07:19.240 come up with is I mean they've tried to say it's kind of like a interact system it'll be managed by
00:07:23.960 the people manage interact and then it's going to be like a kind of costco rewards it's really you're
00:07:28.680 converting you know tax dollars into points that the government then gives you and then you can convert
00:07:34.840 that back into tax dollars but I guess that's only four products that they say are acceptable so it's
00:07:40.120 almost like a social credit type environmental green scheme again the problem that it's so tough
00:07:45.720 to explain is is really a big issue they have just beyond the lying obviously but just the plan itself
00:07:52.120 is terrible I mean you know you know I've said this on you know a lot of videos I've done recently where
00:07:56.600 I'm talking to you know interviews and talking to people but if you're explaining in politics you're
00:08:00.840 losing right that's kind of the saying you hear all the time and so you know the liberal plan
00:08:05.960 I don't like it but it's very easy to explain the liberals say we tax you and then we give you
00:08:09.960 the money back in a rebate right now whether they actually give it all back you know they don't
00:08:13.720 really but it's easier for them to say they do so it's easy to explain we tax you and we give it all
00:08:17.800 back the conservative plan is we tax you we put it into a fund it's managed by the banks or some
00:08:23.240 consortium on bay street and then here's the list of stuff that the state says you can spend it on
00:08:28.920 and the more you use I guess the more points you have and then the more you can buy but if you don't
00:08:34.360 like anything on the list then you're screwed because that's all you have to choose from and
00:08:37.400 it's not really your money because the government's taking it and telling I mean it's just it's a
00:08:41.560 terrible plan and it's almost as if they felt like okay we have to do something uh and it can't be the
00:08:47.080 liberal plan so let's come up with this much much worse plan and somehow sell it as something different 0.94
00:08:52.520 so yeah it's it's yeah it's they look like fools trying to sell maybe you can get a bike I believe is 0.92
00:08:58.680 the thing going around but yeah it's and it's ripe for corruption because now you've got a list of 0.94
00:09:04.600 things that politicians can can appoint to where this is okay to buy this is not okay goodbye to buy
00:09:11.320 oh I wonder if people are going to get their thing their items put on the list for government point
00:09:17.080 spending or whatever it's going to be called now on in a broader point um the conservative party of
00:09:22.680 canada is there any hope left in there should should derek sloan just leave I mean I asked myself 0.99
00:09:28.200 this question when I see him with the cpc still in his his twitter bio there should we be trying to
00:09:34.760 shift to somewhere else or should we be trying to save anything that's left of the cpc or are they
00:09:40.200 just booting too many people out for that to be possible well I wrote an article about that recently
00:09:45.000 and you know people always ask oh what's the alternative right and that's that's all you know
00:09:48.520 in some ways old tools kind of holding people hostage psychologically of course where it's like
00:09:53.080 look you hate justin trudeau and you know you may think that me erin old tool i'm terrible but hey
00:09:57.880 i'm not as bad as trudeau so you better vote conservative anyway so i think you know what
00:10:02.200 i said in the article was you know certain mps who i think have a future in conservatism and in
00:10:07.400 canada uh someone like michelle rempelgarner pierre pauliev you know if you live in their riding
00:10:12.520 or you support them then i'd say keep doing that you know you'll want to keep some strong conservative
00:10:16.840 voices in the country if you live in a liberal dominated riding where the liberals win easily
00:10:21.800 every time certainly feel free to vote for you know the ppc or the maverick party even even just
00:10:27.640 once to send a message to the conservatives that you can't betray your base and you can't lie and get
00:10:32.040 away with it and then if you live in a swing riding you know realize that you have leverage right you
00:10:36.280 know the conservative candidate or mp in a very close riding they need your vote and they need your
00:10:41.320 support and they probably want you to volunteer for them and so you know contact them respectfully of
00:10:45.640 course and just say look uh you know you guys have been betraying us you know you haven't spoken
00:10:49.880 out against a tool obviously lying to everybody and trying to pull a fast one on everybody so unless
00:10:55.400 i see you pushing back on some of this stuff i'm not going to vote for you and i'm not going to
00:10:58.440 volunteer for you so it's not really a binary thing where people just have to say i'm just automatically
00:11:02.840 going to vote somewhere else or stay home but realize that you have some leverage and you can use that
00:11:08.120 and put some pressure on politicians you know a lot of them may be you know pretty cowardly but at the
00:11:12.920 end of the day it's all about self-interest right they want to get re-elected so right now they're
00:11:17.480 thinking if if i oppose a tool then it'll weaken the party and we'll lose and the calculus in their
00:11:23.560 mind needs to shift to saying if you don't push back on what a tool is doing you personally are
00:11:27.720 going to lose because your core supporters aren't going to turn out for you so i think people need
00:11:31.560 to you know study your riding look at the vote margin look at what your mp or conservative candidate is
00:11:36.360 saying and use your leverage yeah and i think you made great points there about it not being a
00:11:42.040 binary choice now a lot of people were mad in the last election at uh bernier for trying to to split
00:11:48.520 the vote now obviously that didn't even actually happen but i'm sure there's going to be a lot less
00:11:52.840 complaining about people not voting for erin o'toole this time around because it's pretty evident to me
00:11:59.960 that he is not like doug ford not doing what he was elected on yes it was an election within the
00:12:05.160 party but they are not doing what everybody thought they were going to do in fact they're
00:12:09.240 probably doing the exact opposite and to your point there are a couple of them that i think
00:12:13.960 you can throw your hat into sometimes maybe not all the time but uh when it comes to all the things
00:12:19.560 that that are happening right now from lockdowns to police oversight to covet hotels to online
00:12:24.760 censorship no one seems to be doing anything about that in the conservative party especially not
00:12:29.960 in the leadership office whether they disagree with him or not i want to talk to you about
00:12:35.080 about the opp um let's show this video if we can i'm not sure if you've seen it a lot of people
00:12:40.120 have by now so just in case the opp pushing over allegedly we'll say for the cameras um a 12 year
00:12:47.000 old and id-ing them can we play that one please
00:13:00.920 come here
00:13:20.840 oh
00:13:26.920 All right, let's keep filming, Doug.
00:13:47.800 OPP are the only ones after this order was put down from the provincial government to say that they will be enforcing it.
00:13:54.600 And I have a piece of paper right now from Andrew Lawton, which is his list.
00:13:58.740 We can probably just throw that up after.
00:14:00.360 His list of all the jurisdictions in Ontario, the police jurisdictions or stations, if you want to call that, that said no.
00:14:06.400 And it's 44 said no.
00:14:08.860 I think two abstained from saying no.
00:14:11.220 Even the First Nations police said no.
00:14:13.620 And the OPP actually said, yes, we will be enforcing them.
00:14:18.220 My question to you is, do you think that they have a choice or do you think they should have thrown their hat in with everybody else?
00:14:24.600 Well, you know, that's the tough question, right?
00:14:27.380 The OPP is technically, I mean, it's controlled by the Ontario government, right?
00:14:30.700 And Doug Ford leads the government.
00:14:32.440 So you could argue that they have no choice.
00:14:34.640 But, you know, I think when every other police, you know, jurisdiction has basically said no, they could have really finished Ford off completely and said, yeah, we're not going to do it either.
00:14:43.320 What's he going to do?
00:14:43.920 He's going to force them, you know, make them, you know, you could have people resign, threaten to resign, threaten to quit.
00:14:48.680 So there's a lot of things they could have done just to put pressure on him when everyone else had done the same thing.
00:14:54.060 So I think it's, you know, it's funny, you know, for a long time we've been hearing people, you know, a conservative politician goes out and says, I'm going to reduce the rate of spending growth by 0.1% this year to get closer to a balanced budget.
00:15:06.120 People are like, oh, fascism, this is unacceptable, this is crazy, right?
00:15:09.300 And then you've got the police, you know, pushing around allegedly, a 12-year-old, right?
00:15:13.320 Let's be careful.
00:15:14.780 And you have, you know, show me your papers, all this kind of stuff.
00:15:19.320 Where are all the people warning about fascism?
00:15:21.320 You know, where, oh, fascism is just around the corner.
00:15:23.720 You know, oh, they're quiet all of a sudden.
00:15:25.920 It's not a big deal.
00:15:26.760 So it's interesting how situational a lot of people's ethics and political beliefs seem to be.
00:15:33.300 But, yeah, I mean, the LPP, I think they should have totally said, look, we're not going to do this either.
00:15:37.060 And what, Ford's going to make them do it?
00:15:39.040 I mean, he had to back down the next day anyway, right?
00:15:41.060 So I think, yeah, I think they should have done something.
00:15:44.920 Now, let me get a bit more meta on you about this.
00:15:47.640 All these police jurisdictions say we're not going to enforce this.
00:15:51.220 Is it at all possible that this was planned ahead of time to try to get people to cooperate a bit more?
00:15:56.160 Oh, we're not doing that, you guys.
00:15:57.580 We're not going to, we're not going to randomly stop you.
00:16:00.700 But then we saw a day later people in Barrie being arrested, people in Mississauga being arrested for protesting.
00:16:07.360 Do you think I should even get into such a conspiracy?
00:16:12.160 You know, at this point, I think nothing would surprise me.
00:16:14.520 You know, the question is, that would imply, you know, a large degree of coordination and competence in the Ford government to pull something like that,
00:16:21.380 which seems like it's probably beyond them at this point.
00:16:24.060 That's fair.
00:16:24.480 It's probably more likely a disorganization.
00:16:27.260 But look, I mean, you know, a lot of things that people would have called conspiracies.
00:16:30.420 I mean, just look at the border right now, right?
00:16:32.800 So you've got interprovincial borders, you know, people pushing again for even more lockdowns, you know, trying to shut people down from going outside.
00:16:40.180 Despite, of course, going outside being the best thing and being active the best way you can make yourself more resilient in the first place,
00:16:45.600 even if you do get the virus and the risk of getting it outside is almost non-existent.
00:16:50.460 But then you have flights coming in from, you know, heavily infected countries constantly over and over.
00:16:55.040 And the government says, oh, we've got the strongest border controls.
00:16:58.120 No, you don't.
00:16:58.800 I mean, it's still coming in and it's spreading in the country from people from outside the country coming here.
00:17:03.580 So how can you justify locking people down within our own borders but not stopping people from getting in at the same time, right? 0.98
00:17:12.560 So that totally sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's exactly what's happening.
00:17:17.460 Yeah, and I want to get to another police incident that happened, I'll call it.
00:17:21.780 There was a Peel region, which is just west of here, police officer, that was, I don't know, quote-unquote caught by global news.
00:17:29.680 He was hugging people.
00:17:30.860 He was shaking their hands.
00:17:32.160 He refused to shut them down.
00:17:34.080 So let's go ahead and play the clip of that officer before we comment on it for those who haven't seen it.
00:17:39.660 UBI.
00:17:40.620 Jeez, it's just terrible, eh, Sean?
00:17:42.620 What are we going to do with guys like this that want people to feed their kids for the next 20 years, right?
00:17:49.100 We don't want to go along with the close swap agenda.
00:17:52.120 We're not here to hide our faces.
00:17:55.820 We're not here to hide our faces.
00:17:57.440 We're not here to hide our faces.
00:17:59.440 Make videos, make pictures.
00:18:02.400 Come on, like, what are you trying to get to?
00:18:04.200 That's even what you're trying to do.
00:18:10.060 You're not shaming anybody, dude.
00:18:11.800 You're not shaming anybody, dude.
00:18:13.800 You're not shaming anybody for all day long?
00:18:14.900 You're not shaming anybody. 0.97
00:18:16.720 You're going to be a zombie. 0.98
00:18:17.920 We're trying to destroy someone. 1.00
00:18:19.920 We're trying to destroy someone.
00:18:20.920 Let's go, let's go, let's go. 0.99
00:18:22.920 Let's bash it.
00:18:23.920 Let's go, let's go.
00:18:24.920 Let's go, let's go.
00:18:25.920 Let's go, let's go.
00:18:26.920 Let's go, let's go.
00:18:27.920 Let's go.
00:18:28.920 This guy's going to feel bad.
00:18:29.920 We're not here to hide our faces.
00:18:30.920 Take, take, take, take.
00:18:31.920 Let's go, let's go.
00:18:32.920 Let's go, let's go.
00:18:33.920 Make videos, make pictures.
00:18:34.920 We're here.
00:18:35.920 We're here.
00:18:36.920 All right?
00:18:37.920 Thank for fairness. 0.97
00:18:38.920 You're trying to be a zombie.
00:18:40.920 Do you think they're all day long?
00:18:42.920 I'm sorry, sir. 0.50
00:18:43.920 You're going to be a zombie. 0.99
00:18:44.920 You're trying to destroy someone. 1.00
00:18:46.920 Let's go.
00:18:47.920 Let's go.
00:18:48.920 Let's go.
00:18:49.920 Let's go.
00:18:50.920 Let's go.
00:18:51.920 Let's go.
00:18:52.920 Let's go.
00:18:53.920 Let's go.
00:18:54.920 Let's go.
00:18:55.920 Let's go.
00:18:56.920 Let's go.
00:18:57.920 Let's go.
00:18:58.920 I don't want to hug.
00:18:59.920 Pandemic.
00:19:00.920 I'm okay with a mask on.
00:19:01.920 I'm fighting by all the protocols, as you should be as well, as you know.
00:19:04.920 So, a lot of crimes being committed by this cop here who has been suspended, whether that's
00:19:08.920 ceremonial or not, I don't know, maybe they're just saying let's wait until the heat dies
00:19:12.920 off.
00:19:13.920 But I want to get your comment on the Global News Reporter.
00:19:15.920 I think it's Shawn O'Shea, if I'm not mistaken.
00:19:18.920 mistaken he's out there he's wearing his mask he feels really safe and he's con and in his tweets
00:19:24.160 you can see he's condemning what's going on the cop touching and hugging people uh what does this
00:19:29.460 say to the state of the media in in terms of being in favor of the lockdowns do you want to comment
00:19:34.140 on that yeah it's pretty terrible i mean the media is supposed to be speaking truth to power right so
00:19:39.940 they should be going to the politicians and saying why do you guys keep getting paid you know every
00:19:44.560 month here you know your nice big salaries while you're destroying other people's livelihoods right
00:19:48.520 why are you ignoring a lot of the advice on fitness you know why haven't you once said
00:19:52.080 that obesity is the second biggest risk factor for the virus and instead you encourage behaviors where
00:19:56.860 people stay home and get even fatter right so why don't you say any of that stuff so i think that's
00:20:01.900 that's a big problem the media instead of you know holding the powerful accountable is trying to hold
00:20:06.340 the rest of us accountable on behalf of the powerful in the government which is the total opposite of
00:20:10.420 what they should be doing and you know it's always i don't know how far i want to go with this but it's
00:20:15.540 you always see far when when things are whether it's you know like totalitarian regimes i'm not
00:20:22.940 saying we're in one but there's some movement for sure in that direction with what the police
00:20:26.580 and the politicians are trying to make the police do it's just this kind of attitude where acts of
00:20:31.500 compassion start to get demonized and that's that's very concerning right what someone's punished for
00:20:35.620 hugging people and showing he just basic human decency right i mean these are people trying to save
00:20:39.940 their livelihoods and the police officers just being a decent human being towards them and so then the
00:20:44.640 media calls him out and then he gets punished by the state that's very concerning when you see
00:20:48.920 things moving in that direction because it speaks to a kind of attitude behind the scenes that's not
00:20:53.540 good at all so i think that's a big concern and yeah it's just in the worst thing is we're expected to
00:21:00.280 listen to the politicians and the media who've basically gotten every single thing wrong this
00:21:05.140 entire pandemic right i remember you know at the beginning i was saying you know this looks pretty
00:21:09.180 serious maybe we should be shutting the borders down right and stopping flights from coming in from china
00:21:13.220 and people you know patty heidu justin trudeau theresa tam saying no no it's it's low risk we've
00:21:19.440 got it contained we have it managed it's not a problem stigma and racism are the real virus that's
00:21:24.580 the real threat and we're gonna you know go down and you know you know hug people you know go down
00:21:29.060 to chinatown i mean they were saying things like go down to chinatown and don't let stigma interfere
00:21:33.580 with things and then these same people are like we have to completely destroy all our businesses and run
00:21:38.020 the biggest deficits of all time to stop the virus and you're gonna have to give up most of your
00:21:41.620 charter rights it's that serious so the flip that they've made is just it's stunning and you know 0.99
00:21:46.920 a credible media would have held them accountable but the media has been there the whole time with
00:21:50.840 them yeah it's a big circle of hypocrisy one government is oppressing us and and you know
00:21:57.080 they're being fascist but then the government that's actually the same government is it's just
00:22:02.460 as it turns out in canada specifically maybe not the united states but the same government here
00:22:07.140 has now moved towards that as you were mentioning earlier move towards a more totalitarian
00:22:12.280 state and all of a sudden we should be promoting this for our safety and and everything else is okay
00:22:17.980 but at the same time enforcing it also shouldn't happen i mean we never stopped flights from china
00:22:23.260 i believe flights from india are still happening i don't think we stopped flights from a lot of
00:22:27.800 countries that had a high covid case rate but here we are 13 14 months later and it's still going on i think
00:22:35.240 we got to leave it there spencer spencer fernando.com and at spencer fernando on twitter i think
00:22:40.900 you should make more videos start a rumble account i'll certainly watch it last words to you spencer
00:22:46.740 well it's good to talk to you and i think it's you know this is what the country needs right i mean
00:22:50.980 the government we see what they're trying to bring with censorship they're trying to you know shut
00:22:54.900 people like us down and i think we all need to push back against that and keep getting the truth
00:22:58.580 though the truth does win over time sometimes it just takes a while i appreciate you all right have a
00:23:03.420 good night and we'll talk to you next time okay all right take care thanks