Rebel News Podcast - May 14, 2020


Support for China plunges in a new Canadian poll


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Support for China plunges in a new Canadian poll. Only 14% of Canadians now say they have a positive opinion of China, down from 50% a year ago. What does this say about the relationship between Canada and China?

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today, I take you through a very interesting poll by Angus Reid asking all
00:00:04.600 sorts of questions about the Canada-China relationship. And I got to tell you, you will
00:00:08.780 be impressed with the common sense of the common man. Before I get to that, let me invite you to
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00:00:47.820 Tonight, support for China plunges in a new Canadian poll. It's May 13th,
00:00:53.020 and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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00:01:04.220 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's
00:01:08.640 my bloody right to do so.
00:01:15.360 Angus Reid has a new poll out on Canadian support for China.
00:01:19.080 Only 14% of Canadians have a favorable view of China. So basically, what's that? The staff of the
00:01:26.180 CBC and the staff of Justin Trudeau. Seriously, even most liberals now despise the Communist Party
00:01:32.620 of China. I'd like to see the numbers for Chinese Canadians too, actually. There are a few troubling 0.54
00:01:38.160 Canadian branches of various Communist Party cadres. There are some Communist thugs here in Canada
00:01:45.140 bullying ethnic Chinese democracy activists here, and Tibetans, and others here on our soil.
00:01:51.940 But of course, there are plenty of Chinese Canadians who came here precisely because 0.92
00:01:55.040 they love freedom and hate living in an authoritarian regime.
00:02:00.280 I think we have to be more explicit in supporting ethnic Chinese Canadians who are pro-liberty.
00:02:05.500 And we have to resist the Communist Party even here in Canada, because they have their tentacles
00:02:10.880 here. I think we have to denormalize China's underminers here in a similar manner that at 0.65
00:02:16.940 least some of us try to do, say, with Iran's thugs who run their annual Al-Quds Day propaganda 0.83
00:02:24.060 effort in Canada. It's little things like politicians refusing to go along with Communist Party events.
00:02:29.740 And those who do attend those events should be denormalized by Canadians. Like I've said before, 1.00
00:02:34.700 we need a bit of the stance we took towards South African apartheid. We need to shame Communist 0.77
00:02:39.620 China, not invade them, but shame them and stand with the Nelson Mandelas of China. And I think we 0.90
00:02:47.080 should warmly accept those 46 Hong Kong democracy refugees. I think it's a first step. But back to the 0.92
00:02:53.960 news. Angus Reid, one of my favorite pollsters, because he simply asks interesting questions. You can be
00:02:58.360 sure Trudeau's liberals have been polling the heck out of China for months, but they haven't released
00:03:02.760 their polls publicly, so they've known all this, but now we do too. Canadian opinions of China reach
00:03:09.920 new low. Well, I should hope so. The latest study from the non-profit Angus Reid Institute finds
00:03:15.280 Canadian favorability towards China at a new low. Indeed, just 14% of adults in this country now say
00:03:21.100 they have a positive opinion on China as a level half as high as it was six months ago. Wow.
00:03:28.360 And look at this. More than four in five Canadians say the Chinese government has not been honest
00:03:34.120 about what happened in its own country. Wow. Sometimes it's so refreshing, so reassuring
00:03:39.520 to know that there's still some common sense in the common people as opposed to the fools in our
00:03:43.860 elites. Like, oh, say our health minister, Patty Haidu, Peking Patty, as I call her. 1.00
00:03:49.920 So I would say that your question is feeding into conspiracy theories that many people have been
00:03:54.920 perpetuating on the internet. Wow. She loves the Chinese Communist Party almost as much as she
00:04:01.140 loves her own Liberal Party. Maybe more. So weird. So out of touch with ordinary Canadians, 0.99
00:04:06.080 this poll shows. Let me read more. If Canadians had their way, there would be real-world consequences
00:04:10.860 to perceived malfeasance on the part of the Asian power. Just 11% of Canadians say Canada should focus
00:04:16.440 its trade efforts on China, down from 40% in 2015. Further, four in five say Canada should bar Huawei
00:04:22.960 away from taking part in the building and the new 5G infrastructure in this country.
00:04:28.680 Isn't that encouraging? That's exactly right. Keep China out of our 5G. Okay, let's show you some 1.00
00:04:33.740 graphs. Here's one that shows the historic level of support. The first few years are from Pew Research,
00:04:39.400 the later ones from Angus Reid. Isn't that interesting? Favorable views of China were well over 50%
00:04:45.120 until about a decade ago. I think the more Canadians have got to know about China, the less we like it.
00:04:51.360 Even before they kidnapped Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor in late 2018, I think we just all sort of saw
00:04:58.920 how China was militarizing, both internationally and against their own people. I think we saw how
00:05:04.760 they were terrible polluters, and I mean real pollution. Dirty air, dirty water, dirty land, 0.76
00:05:09.300 not just CO2. And I think Canadians really do care about civil rights for people. Even as the Liberal
00:05:14.560 Party and big business and the media all sort of stopped talking about those things, the rest of us
00:05:19.620 couldn't help notice that China was not getting more liberal even as it got more rich. Felt a bit
00:05:25.000 fascist in a way, didn't it? There really isn't a big difference region by region in Canada on these
00:05:32.580 opinions. BC is the most supportive of China, 22% with 72% being negative. Perhaps that's because of 0.83
00:05:38.840 BC's larger Chinese-Canadian population and they have a natural affection for their own homeland. Like I
00:05:44.600 say, I think we have to boost Canadians who are Chinese but critical of the communist regime,
00:05:49.980 just like we boosted Soviet dissidents who defected to the West during the Cold War.
00:05:55.360 We have to discriminate between the lambs and the wolves, as I sometimes say.
00:05:59.400 Here's a chart broken down by political party. I don't see the Bloc Québécois in here,
00:06:02.980 which is too bad. I'd be curious what those voters say. But then other numbers are predictable.
00:06:07.560 Conservative Party members are overwhelmingly negative towards China. Only 1% are very favorable.
00:06:12.700 6% mostly favorable. 26% are mostly unfavorable. And a whopping 63% just hate the chai comms,
00:06:22.220 as they used to be called. So add up the mostly and the very unfavorable, you've got 89%. I really
00:06:28.720 don't think I've seen a number that big, other than for stopping the unlimited growth of immigration, 1.00
00:06:34.260 which is probably related, actually. Liberals are anti-China too, just less passionate about it.
00:06:39.740 Again, only 1% of liberals really like China. They have more soft support, 17%. Interesting 0.99
00:06:45.880 that NDPs are a bit more likely to be unfavorable, very unfavorable to China than the liberals are.
00:06:50.980 Maybe it's not significant given the sample size, but I think it might be because Trudeau's brand
00:06:55.580 is so obviously pro-China. It's sort of part of being a liberal member, whereas the NDP isn't
00:07:01.080 branded that way. And there's still some NDP support amongst grassroots working-class Canadians
00:07:05.800 who know that their factories and other jobs have been outsourced to China.
00:07:10.600 Now this next chart, a pie chart, is just amazing. It goes with the question, is China lying about the
00:07:15.720 virus? 53% say, yeah, obviously. And another 32% say, yeah, probably. Literally only 2% of Canadians
00:07:23.180 are adamant that China's telling the truth. So I guess that's Teresa Tam, Justin Trudeau, and Peking 0.99
00:07:28.360 Patty, and the propagandists at the CBC who are working overtime for Beijing. Bizarrely,
00:07:33.180 you have to be really, really dumb, or just playing on the Chinese government's payroll 0.95
00:07:36.960 to believe that. And it won't surprise you that with numbers so lopsided, even liberals
00:07:42.660 say China is lying. 12% of liberals believe China. But remember, those are people who voted
00:07:47.480 for a failed drama teacher's PM, so they'll believe anything. Now let's get practical.
00:07:52.700 What does this all mean? What should we do? I like this question. With what region should
00:07:59.100 Canadians try to develop closer trade ties? So who should we do business with? China plunged
00:08:06.800 from 40% just five years ago to 11%. Now no one wants deeper trade ties with China. That's
00:08:13.200 the bright red line on this graph. The US number is up from 28% to 37%, which is good. We already
00:08:19.920 have very close ties with America, of course. 52% say the European Union. Sure, why not? But it's
00:08:26.560 a small share of our trade now that the UK is out of there especially. That's the dark
00:08:30.780 red number, which is up to 26%. I think maybe a lot of Canadians, when they answered, maybe
00:08:35.220 forgot that the UK is out of the European Union now. But the main takeaway here is that
00:08:39.760 people want nothing to do with China. I think that's good news. Here's a regional chart. 0.99
00:08:43.880 Not too much interesting here than, of course, Alberta wants to focus on the US. That's where 0.96
00:08:50.260 most of our oil sales go. And we need pipelines. And I thought it was interesting that so many
00:08:55.260 people in the Atlantic support closer trade with the UK. That's encouraging. Probably
00:08:59.240 makes sense. They're the closest to it. Check this out. Should China's Huawei be allowed to
00:09:04.740 build our 5G networks? In November, 69% said no. Only 21% said yes. So that's pretty lopsided
00:09:11.620 even back then. But now six months later, it's even more lopsided. 78% against, only 14% for.
00:09:17.800 So even most liberal voters want Huawei banned. Just two more charts. This is so interesting,
00:09:23.480 though, isn't it? What a contrast to the official pro-Beijing propaganda coming from the CBC and
00:09:28.460 from the liberals themselves. So encouraging. The Canadians know better, right? Which should
00:09:33.540 be more important, trade with China or human rights and rule of law? In January of 2019,
00:09:38.520 38% said trade. 62% said human rights and the rule of law. That was just one month after
00:09:44.100 China took the hostages. Now it's 24% to 76%. Of course, you can have both when you deal with a 1.00
00:09:51.840 democracy. That's why we love the United States and the United Kingdom and the EU. But if China 0.99
00:09:56.920 is forcing us to choose, and indeed they are, Canadians will choose Canadian values. I'm impressed
00:10:03.420 by that. You know, big businesses, multinational businesses, Hollywood studios, sports franchises,
00:10:10.500 they all chose the cash. The NBA, movie studios, they all censor themselves. They all sell out their
00:10:17.480 principles for the big bucks they see in communist China. Not ordinary people. I just keep coming
00:10:22.280 back to this extremist interview with Michael Bloomberg, the former Democrat. He called himself
00:10:29.600 a Republican. He's really a Democrat. He has huge investment in China. It's where all this wealth
00:10:33.780 is tied up now. Listen to the lies he told about them. Imagine if this moral sellout had actually
00:10:41.080 become president, as he tried so hard to do earlier this year.
00:10:44.920 Xi Jinping is not a dictator. He has to satisfy his constituents, or he's not going to survive.
00:10:50.040 He's not a dictator?
00:10:51.800 No, he has to. He has a constituency to answer to.
00:10:58.760 He doesn't have a vote. He doesn't have a democracy. He's not held accountable by voters.
00:11:03.880 If his advisors gave him- Is they check on him just a revolution?
00:11:08.280 You're not going to have a revolution. No government survives without the will of the
00:11:12.760 majority of its people.
00:11:14.600 Yeah, it's just incredible. Last chart. Can we trust China? No. Just plain old no. But you knew 0.94
00:11:21.720 that already, didn't you? Because our friend Abiyamini went to Hong Kong last year to ask people
00:11:27.560 what they thought of China. And this young man just told him.
00:11:32.520 Donald Trump don't trust China. China is asshole.
00:11:36.680 Yep. Stay with us for more.
00:11:51.160 Well, there are a lot of explanations for why Justin Trudeau and his cabinet
00:11:55.480 could be so obsequious to communist China. I think the most obvious one is that he plain 0.90
00:12:01.480 old agrees with their world view. As he told a liberal fundraiser when he was running for the
00:12:06.840 leader, China is the country he most admires for its basic dictatorship. It's something he comes by
00:12:14.040 honestly. His father, Pierre Trudeau, never met a communist dictatorship he didn't like either.
00:12:20.280 But is there the possibility that there could be some hidden interest as well, either a carrot or a
00:12:26.920 stick? We know, for example, that Chinese billionaires have been making huge donations
00:12:32.040 to liberal affiliated groups, whether it's Canada 2020, a liberal think tank, or even the Trudeau
00:12:39.640 Foundation. And then there's the possibility of something darker, a stick. The Soviets had a term
00:12:44.680 compromat, which is short for compromising material. We know that Justin Trudeau has had scandals in
00:12:52.760 the past. For example, he sexually assaulted Rose Knight, a reporter with the Creston Advance in
00:12:58.680 British Columbia two decades ago. We know about his blackface stunts. Who knows what else is out 1.00
00:13:05.000 there? Well, the Chinese Communist Party and its spies, both human and online internet spies, 0.93
00:13:12.200 may have some cache of embarrassing material on Trudeau. That's pure speculation on my part. But we know
00:13:19.720 that Western media outlets sat on the blackface photo. Are there other things that other entities
00:13:27.240 are sitting on as long as Justin Trudeau is well behaved? I think these are legitimate questions. And
00:13:32.600 one pundit who has been asking them more sharply than most is our next guest. And I have to tell you,
00:13:38.760 it is such a great pleasure to introduce you to Spencer Fernando, who joins us now via Skype from
00:13:45.080 Winnipeg. Besides being the eponymous host of SpencerFernando.com, he's also a campaign fellow
00:13:51.640 for the National Citizens Coalition. Spencer, it's great to have you here. Congratulations on all you've
00:13:56.040 done at SpencerFernando.com, by the way. I appreciate it. Thank you very much.
00:14:00.840 Tell me your thoughts on this. I saw you tweeting that there ought to be an investigation of some
00:14:07.640 sort into connections between the Chinese Communist Party or the Chinese regime and the Liberal Cabinet.
00:14:14.280 First of all, what makes you call for that? And second of all, what kind of investigation
00:14:19.160 do you foresee or would call for? Well, the reason I call for that is if you look at really what's
00:14:25.960 happening around the world, Canada's basically become the government or the country that's really
00:14:31.720 most pro-China. And it's quite disturbing. And you see countries that have a lot more to lose,
00:14:37.560 like Australia and New Zealand, for example, they're taking a very strong stand against China,
00:14:41.720 and they've got a lot to lose economically. Now, the States obviously is taking a strong stand.
00:14:46.120 But the problem is Canada, it's been incredibly weak. Every chance they get to criticize China,
00:14:51.560 they pass up every single time. They were afraid to even say Taiwan until they got so much pressure.
00:14:57.320 They had to actually say the word Taiwan and thank them for their donation of PPE to Canada.
00:15:03.000 And so the question is, why is Canada acting so differently? We saw the Angus Reid poll today,
00:15:07.640 you have just 14% of Canadians saying they have a positive view of China, the lowest it's ever been
00:15:13.400 in history. Almost everyone in this country wants Huawei to be blocked from our 5G network.
00:15:18.520 Government still hasn't made a decision on that. So at some point you say, what's going on here?
00:15:22.520 And again, it's not about conspiracy theories. I just think Canadians need to know. And both options,
00:15:27.080 to be honest, are pretty bad. So either we investigate and we find that there are a bunch
00:15:31.960 of people who are compromised, likely financially by China within the liberal government, or we find out
00:15:36.840 this is just some sort of ideological thing. And they really do feel some sort of ideological affinity
00:15:41.800 with China. And both of those options are pretty disturbing for Canadians.
00:15:45.240 Yeah. Well, listen, it's more than a decade ago since the head of CSIS said there were 1,000 plus
00:15:54.200 active agents in Canada spying for China. Most of that spying would be industrial espionage. But of
00:16:00.440 course, Canada is privy to the highest security briefings as one of the five eyes, along with
00:16:08.280 United States, UK, Australia, and New Zealand. So Canada could be a security weak link. We're definitely
00:16:13.800 a technology weak link. I wonder if it's ideology because Trudeau has always loved the third world.
00:16:23.160 He's loved the romance of it. His brother, Alexandre, who is his sometimes policy advisor,
00:16:31.640 actually wrote a book published by the government of China, a pro-China propaganda piece. So I think
00:16:37.240 it's quite possible that like his dad, he truly believes in the communist party. But I also know
00:16:44.680 that he's been reckless in his personal life. And I got to think that old Cold War tactic of the
00:16:50.280 honey trap, the honey pot, where they have like a, they send in someone to trap someone in a sexual 0.99
00:16:56.920 indiscretion, or they have a financial indiscretion. That's got Trudeau written all over it, too.
00:17:04.280 We need to find out, I think, if it's just ideology, or if, you know, it's possible, again,
00:17:12.360 neither you nor I have no evidence to this effect, but he might actually be under some sort of duress.
00:17:20.200 Yeah, I mean, there's no way to know. And that's why I think it needs to be investigated. I mean,
00:17:23.320 personally, I think, for most political leaders there, you know, people's personal lives should be
00:17:27.640 off limits. In a case like this, I think it's most likely financial. But, you know, I think that's
00:17:31.960 why we need to investigate. And I think, you know, the vast majority of people, I would think,
00:17:36.280 in government at least feel that they're loyal to Canada. So you'd think that if there's a concern
00:17:41.480 of China having influence over somebody, having information on somebody, threatening people,
00:17:46.440 you'd think they would be the first ones to want to get to the bottom of it to clear up any concerns.
00:17:50.840 So I think the first thing is Canadians really need to start demanding of our MPs that they push
00:17:54.840 for an investigation. And then we'll see who's actually willing to go through an investigation.
00:17:58.920 You know, if there's a bunch of people who seem to have ties to China or are very pro-China,
00:18:03.160 and all of a sudden they get really afraid about investigating connections to China, well,
00:18:07.480 that may be a clue there's something going on there.
00:18:09.240 Yeah. And the investigations can be done privately and discreetly. It's tradition that the RCMP
00:18:15.560 vets the prime minister's proposed cabinet list. I mean, I can imagine they hesitated when Stephen
00:18:22.600 Gilboa, the heritage minister, was named. Of course, he's a convicted criminal who was active
00:18:28.520 as an environmental extremist. But I don't think, I think that's bad judgment on his part,
00:18:33.720 but I don't think that goes to a deep disloyalty to Canada as a nation. But, and that's the thing,
00:18:39.960 I'm not looking for a McCarthy style witch hunt, but I think at least privately, the RCMP or CSIS
00:18:47.000 or some other agency should do a deep vetting. Because by the way, a lot of it's hidden in plain
00:18:52.280 sight. Huawei throws its sponsorship logo on everything that moves, including hockey night
00:18:57.720 in Canada. They're not even hiding it. I think that's a form of corruption in its own sense.
00:19:05.080 Yeah. And that's the thing, like to investigate, it's not necessarily about finding something crazy.
00:19:08.920 It's just, you know, is there an influence network in China that's now operating in Canada that's
00:19:13.960 influencing people? I mean, that's the thing. You already have people, you know, Chinese-Canadians 1.00
00:19:17.800 talking about the so-called United Front, how they are threatened, even if they're Canadian citizens,
00:19:22.840 they're living in Canada, they still get threatened. And China still sends people here to intimidate 0.92
00:19:27.800 them and threaten them and harass them if they speak out against the Chinese Communist Party.
00:19:31.880 So there's obviously influence operations happening in Canada. There was a fellow in Australia,
00:19:36.360 I think Clive Hamilton, and he wrote a book about the infiltration of the Australian political system
00:19:41.400 by the Chinese Communist Party. And it took him three publishers, three who rejected him because
00:19:47.960 they were afraid to upset China in Australia, by the way, not in China. People in Australia afraid to
00:19:53.160 upset China didn't want to publish his book. He found a fourth publisher who did it. But then he talked
00:19:58.840 about, he did an interview with the National Post and he said, you know, to be honest, it's actually worse
00:20:02.840 in Canada than it is in China. And he said for legal reasons, he couldn't name the people he knows who
00:20:07.400 are either compromised or closely involved with China. But he said it's a real threat and it's 0.80
00:20:11.880 something that's happening here. So again, I think the big thing that should be disturbing to people,
00:20:17.080 and I think people are waking up to this, is the massive gap between the way Canadians feel about
00:20:22.760 China and the way the government acts towards China. Usually governments want to be on side with
00:20:27.000 public opinion because they want to get reelected. So when you see a government that's so clearly
00:20:31.800 going against established public opinion in the country, you have to say, what is the reason for
00:20:36.280 that? And we don't know the reason. That's why we need to investigate. Yeah, I think you're so right.
00:20:40.760 Well, listen, it's such a pleasure to have you on the show. I'm a big fan of SpencerFernando.com.
00:20:45.960 You've really built up a great enterprise there. I want to encourage everyone to visit,
00:20:50.840 sign up for your regular emails. And of course, I love following you on Twitter. You're so fast
00:20:55.560 off the mark with news and commentary. It's really nice to have you on the show,
00:20:58.760 Spencer. Great to see you. It's good to be here. Appreciate it. All right. There you have it.
00:21:02.680 SpencerFernando joining us today via Skype from Winnipeg. Stay with us. More ahead on the road.
00:21:17.480 Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday about the CBC accusing Brian Adams of being racist.
00:21:22.040 Susanna writes, never apologize when you're not wrong. When you do, it's a sign of weakness and
00:21:27.640 self-doubt. Oh yeah. And not just that. It doesn't placate your opponents because they were
00:21:33.720 bad faith critics to begin with. It just says, oh, this guy's a pushover. Let's do it again.
00:21:40.040 Paul writes, communism isn't a race. The CBC doesn't represent Canada and broadcasts nothing but cheap
00:21:46.360 propaganda. They may as well just open up a Chinese translation service. Oh, you're so right. It's so weird.
00:21:51.240 I mean, it's bad enough when they do propaganda for Trudeau's state apparatus. But why are they
00:21:57.480 carrying water for communist China? It's so weird. On my interview with Pamela Geller, Dan writes,
00:22:03.880 maybe someone should remind Bill de Blasio of the Second Amendment, which guarantees the First
00:22:07.400 Amendment, which shall not be infringed. Well, in New York, they want to ban both, looks like, don't they?
00:22:13.960 I like Pamela. I like her fighting spirit. And she does so with such pizzazz.
00:22:18.060 Well, that's our show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World
00:22:22.800 Headquarters, to you at home, good night. And keep fighting for freedom.
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