Rebel News Podcast - The pandemic has caused chaos and tragedy — but these 7 things are BETTER now

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today, I try and find seven silver linings in this crisis, not really things

00:00:05.840 that are better. I think everything's actually worse, but changes in our attitudes and mindset

00:00:11.120 that if we can keep them going after the crisis is over, maybe that makes the world a better place.

00:00:16.920 Anyways, let me invite you to become a premium subscriber to Rebel News. Just go to rebelnews.com.

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00:00:26.300 and David Menzies' show, too. All right, here's today's podcast.

00:00:44.840 Tonight, the pandemic has killed more than 300 Canadians and nearly 3 million people have been

00:00:50.400 thrown out of work here. But silver lining, let me tell you seven things that are actually better now.

00:00:56.720 It's April 7th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:00.900 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:04.620 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:08.680 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:14.540 How I wish we had done what Taiwan had done. 1.00

00:01:22.660 Closed the doors to flights from Wuhan, strictly screened anyone else coming in from China,

00:01:29.360 ramped up factories to produce tens of millions of masks a day.

00:01:33.020 Despite being just across the strait from China, despite having nearly a million Taiwanese living in mainland China

00:01:39.240 and going back and forth, they have managed to keep the toll of the virus to almost zero.

00:01:43.980 Five fatalities so far in a country of nearly 25 million people,

00:01:47.680 with the schools open, the restaurants open.

00:01:50.180 Instead, we did the opposite.

00:01:51.300 Flights from China continue to land every day, even today.

00:01:55.220 They're not screened in any meaningful way.

00:01:58.160 Even the special government repatriation charters, they have people on them with the virus.

00:02:03.680 Just zero real checking at all.

00:02:06.100 And no masks.

00:02:07.080 Trudeau gave away our stockpile.

00:02:08.720 There isn't a single Canadian factory that makes the N95 masks.

00:02:12.880 Those are the ones that screen out 95% of particles.

00:02:15.420 We just don't have that.

00:02:16.260 So, yeah, a lot of things have gone wrong.

00:02:19.520 By my math, we're approaching a 20% national unemployment rate,

00:02:23.460 as high as in the Great Depression.

00:02:25.000 I understand in Alberta, it might already be touching 25%.

00:02:28.060 Just devastating.

00:02:29.320 And, of course, more than 300 deaths.

00:02:31.240 But you've heard me say all those things these past weeks,

00:02:34.060 and I've been critical, first, at how Trudeau didn't actually stop the virus

00:02:37.940 from just walking in through airports and at Roxham Road.

00:02:40.940 And, second, how the cure could wind up worse than the diseases.

00:02:46.660 And you throw three, four million Canadian families out of work into poverty,

00:02:49.940 you're going to see a lot more death and destruction than 300 flu victims, I'll tell you that.

00:02:53.660 It's a disaster.

00:02:55.780 But let me take a few minutes and try to look at the silver lining of these dark clouds.

00:02:59.760 Every day the Canadian tragedy grows.

00:03:01.540 But let me tell you seven things that I think are better now than two months ago.

00:03:05.980 And you tell me if you agree or disagree.

00:03:08.000 They're ways of thinking about the world.

00:03:10.940 Canada is not better now than it was two months ago.

00:03:13.900 But are we more thoughtful?

00:03:15.800 Let me show you seven ways I think we are.

00:03:18.700 Number one, we're finally enforcing our borders.

00:03:21.720 Not completely.

00:03:23.120 Not totally.

00:03:24.660 In fact, bizarrely, Trudeau has loosened the qualifications to become a foreign,

00:03:29.180 temporary, foreign worker, low-wage worker in Canada.

00:03:32.900 We have record unemployment, and he's literally making it easier

00:03:35.660 so that low-wage, low-skill foreigners can come in to reduce wages even more. 1.00

00:03:40.400 And Trudeau literally passed an order exempting people who were coughing with a fever from his foreign entry ban.

00:03:48.820 He'll let in foreigners who have a fever and a cough just as long as they say they're claiming refugee status. 0.99

00:03:54.500 Seriously.

00:03:54.860 As David Menzies shows us every day, there are planes landing regularly in Vancouver and Toronto directly from China.

00:04:01.560 And all they say, they all say that they're screening on the foreign airport side,

00:04:08.900 but no screening when they land here in Canada.

00:04:11.980 Hi, guys.

00:04:12.940 Did you just get off the flight from Beijing?

00:04:15.360 Yes, we are.

00:04:15.920 I was just wondering, sir, can you remember what the customs officials were telling you

00:04:21.060 when you were going through customs?

00:04:23.280 No, I can't remember.

00:04:24.940 Some paperwork.

00:04:26.580 Oh, they gave you some paper.

00:04:28.080 Did you read it yet?

00:04:29.860 Not full yet.

00:04:32.060 Nobody at customs told you anything special?

00:04:37.160 Nothing that we don't already know.

00:04:39.600 Did you see anyone, any agents giving masks, the kind of masks that you and I are wearing?

00:04:45.420 Not given any masks.

00:04:48.280 No, you have to find it yourself.

00:04:49.740 You've got to find it yourself then, eh?

00:04:51.160 Yeah.

00:04:51.340 Uh, no.

00:04:54.020 But let's not quibble.

00:04:55.040 The border, I'd say, is 50% more impermeable than it was two months ago.

00:05:01.100 The flights have slowed to a trickle.

00:05:02.880 There used to be a dozen Chinese flights a day to each of Toronto and Vancouver.

00:05:06.440 Now it's maybe one or two each a day.

00:05:08.700 Roxham Road is also reduced to a trickle.

00:05:10.520 Not zero, but reduced a bit.

00:05:13.220 But more important, Canadians know we can do it.

00:05:15.700 We know we need to do it.

00:05:17.880 We know that other countries in the world are doing it to save themselves.

00:05:21.340 And we have finally moved past the race hustler, Teresa Tam, calling us the racists for wanting

00:05:26.840 to be safe from people arriving from high virus countries.

00:05:30.060 It is not racist, as Tam said it was.

00:05:33.140 Here's how the Taipei airport in Taiwan meets everyone regardless of race, but mainly people

00:05:39.220 from China.

00:05:40.060 They're not racist in Taiwan.

00:05:41.880 They're ethnically Chinese too.

00:05:43.640 They're not stereotyping.

00:05:45.040 It's just math and statistics.

00:05:46.720 They know that if they have a strong border around their country, it means they don't have

00:05:51.120 to have strong borders within their country, as in everyone locked in their own houses

00:05:55.680 and locked out of schools and restaurants.

00:05:57.260 So point number one, borders are in vogue again.

00:06:02.100 You can talk about them again.

00:06:03.600 And for deep, normal, simple, obvious reasons, expect more of that.

00:06:08.500 People won't be able to write it off as racist anymore to talk about borders.

00:06:12.060 That's a good thing now and in the future.

00:06:13.700 Point number two, countries act in their own interests, including in supplying crucial

00:06:19.940 products like face masks and medicines.

00:06:22.520 There's a lot of fake news about the U.S. banning exports of N95 face masks to Canada.

00:06:27.100 It wasn't true, but I suppose the underlying point is true.

00:06:30.620 The U.S. absolutely could ban exports to any country in an emergency.

00:06:35.160 And what's our backup plan?

00:06:36.640 Trusting China as a supplier?

00:06:38.640 As I showed you yesterday, the Wall Street Journal is reporting that the Chinese government

00:06:42.000 has just seized materials from three Canadian-owned medical supply factories in China.

00:06:46.760 And of course, so many medicines are made in China too.

00:06:49.580 Maybe it's time to get some of that industrial production back in Canada so we're not at any

00:06:54.040 foreign country's whim.

00:06:57.140 I read a story the other day, I think it was in the Dallas News, about a U.S. mask manufacturer

00:07:02.100 in America who charges about 10 cents per mask.

00:07:06.260 They're not the N95 mask, but they're regular masks. 0.99

00:07:09.540 About 10 cents.

00:07:10.340 Absolutely first-rate American quality.

00:07:13.960 Patriotic.

00:07:14.560 He loves to supply America first. 0.90

00:07:16.180 He only supplies Americans. 0.98

00:07:17.760 He's getting phone calls and emails every minute, he says, with people wanting to order

00:07:23.340 some of his production.

00:07:24.960 He can't answer them all, of course, but he says he's been through this before in past epidemics

00:07:30.120 like SARS.

00:07:31.340 He says, as soon as the panic is over, though, those same hospitals go back to ordering their

00:07:38.380 masks from China.

00:07:39.980 Because instead of paying 10 cents a mask that he charges, they might only charge two cents

00:07:46.080 a mask in China.

00:07:47.860 So they're saving eight cents a mask.

00:07:50.080 And if a hospital uses, I don't know, a thousand masks a week, by gosh, they're saving 80 whole

00:07:56.900 dollars.

00:07:57.980 You bet they are.

00:07:59.540 And putting aside quality issues and contamination and counterfeits and all the China specialties, 0.85

00:08:05.140 they're putting their supply chain at the whim of China.

00:08:08.120 So now that it's panic time again, they want to buy from this Texas manufacturer again because

00:08:13.980 they know he'll supply to them.

00:08:15.940 But he's not a big producer.

00:08:17.480 He never could expand enough to make a million masks a day or 10 million masks a day.

00:08:22.880 America needs probably 100 million a day because those American hospitals kept switching back

00:08:29.220 to buying from China once the panic was over.

00:08:31.880 But hey, they saved that $80 a week, didn't they?

00:08:34.880 Was it worth it?

00:08:35.720 So maybe this buy America, buy Canada, buy Canadian will take root in a lot of things.

00:08:42.080 Maybe you'll just come to terms with spending an extra 5% on a cell phone made in Canada,

00:08:48.060 but it's not spying on you like Huawei does.

00:08:50.440 So maybe it's not actually even more expensive.

00:08:52.400 It's better.

00:08:54.580 Point three, and it's related, we are realizing the true nature of communist China as compared

00:08:58.780 to, say, free Taiwan.

00:09:00.540 Taiwan was the first country to guard against the coronavirus because they knew that China

00:09:04.140 lies about things all the time.

00:09:06.100 Taiwan actually sent its own doctors into Wuhan very early to see for themselves, to investigate

00:09:10.500 for themselves.

00:09:11.460 They didn't mess around, and since they're prepared, they can now help us.

00:09:14.920 They're shipping masks around the world to its allies, and they're shipping mask-building 0.65

00:09:18.940 factory equipment to 12 friendly countries.

00:09:21.880 That is a good global citizen.

00:09:24.160 Unlike the Soviet-style Chinese government, which lies to its own people, lies to itself, 0.97

00:09:28.720 and obviously lies to us.

00:09:31.140 What beats me is that Canadian and American media republish obvious Chinese lies without

00:09:37.220 any skepticism, like the claim that China has no more cases of the virus, except for dirty 0.99

00:09:42.280 foreigners bringing the virus to China.

00:09:44.180 What a laugh.

00:09:45.240 I might remind you that China also claims that not a single person was killed at Tiananmen

00:09:49.380 Square.

00:09:50.240 Imagine publishing that with a straight face.

00:09:52.260 Well, it's the same thing.

00:09:53.140 They're liars.

00:09:53.820 It's a reminder about lying dictatorships and the risks they pose to all of us, and as

00:09:59.140 I've shown you before, instead of warning the West about the virus, China kept quiet and 0.99

00:10:04.940 had its expats in Canada, the United States, Australia, ship back to China our medical supplies

00:10:10.340 before we were alerted to the problem.

00:10:12.440 Taiwan didn't do that to us.

00:10:14.340 So trust democracies, distrust China. 0.81

00:10:18.240 Point four is similar.

00:10:20.040 Globalism has failed, both as an ideology and institutionally.

00:10:23.820 What I mean is that the idea of open borders is obviously deadly when it comes to unscreened

00:10:28.880 people with viruses, but also the open borders approach to global trade, where if you can

00:10:33.840 save a few pennies per face mask or per pill of medicine, you then move all your factories

00:10:40.960 to literally the cheapest place in the world.

00:10:43.480 Yeah, no, that ain't working.

00:10:45.260 Imagine if a factory owner had listened to Trump three years ago when Trump told companies

00:10:50.140 to relocate their factories back to America.

00:10:53.100 Anyone who did that would be so well positioned now.

00:10:55.600 I understand why factory owners set up factories in a communist dictatorship.

00:10:59.980 It's cheap.

00:11:02.060 But is it really so cheap now?

00:11:04.980 The math of globalism is wrong, but also trusting foreigners with foreign loyalties is wrong, 0.99

00:11:10.200 at least when it comes to each nation's own national interests.

00:11:13.460 I recommend to you Keyan's biography of the president of the UN agency called the World

00:11:17.680 Health Organization, how he was installed in that position by China, how he's not even

00:11:22.480 a doctor, how in his previous life he oversaw a brutal repression in his home country in

00:11:28.300 Africa.

00:11:29.140 Seriously, why would we listen to him, part of a globalist institution?

00:11:33.260 And why would our Canadian health authorities, like Dr. Tam, listen to him and the UN and China?

00:11:38.780 And indeed, we do.

00:11:40.100 Remember this Canadian officer with the World Health Organization?

00:11:44.440 Would the WHO consider Taiwan's membership?

00:11:56.860 Hello?

00:11:59.020 I couldn't hear your question.

00:12:01.500 Okay, yeah, let me repeat the question.

00:12:03.860 No, that's okay.

00:12:04.260 Let's move to another one then.

00:12:05.560 Right, because I'm actually curious on talking about Taiwan as well, on Taiwan's case.

00:12:18.760 We decided to give Dr. Alward another call to follow up.

00:12:23.160 And I just want to see if you can comment a bit on how Taiwan has done so far in terms of

00:12:28.020 containing the virus.

00:12:30.500 Well, we've already talked about China.

00:12:32.460 And, you know, when you look across all the different areas of China, they've actually

00:12:37.880 all done quite a good job.

00:12:40.020 So with that, I'd like to thank you very much for inviting us to participate.

00:12:44.000 And good luck as you go forward with the battle in Hong Kong.

00:12:47.920 Yeah, that guy is a Canadian doctor.

00:12:50.060 He's from Newfoundland, actually, who works for the World Health Organization now.

00:12:53.680 And look at him treat Taiwan that way.

00:12:56.440 Maybe that he's that nasty a guy in his own life.

00:12:59.680 But I don't think so.

00:13:01.520 I think that was a good man who has been corrupted by the globalist World Health Organization.

00:13:07.680 That's my guess.

00:13:08.900 Let's get out of the UN and the World Health Organization like Taiwan got out of it. 1.00

00:13:13.200 They were kicked out of it, actually.

00:13:15.200 Point five.

00:13:16.380 We've been reminded these past weeks of the importance of blue-collar work and blue-collar

00:13:19.980 workers.

00:13:20.820 Nobody is missing their gender studies professor right now.

00:13:23.720 Nobody is missing the countless think-alike, clickbait journalists who have been laid off in

00:13:28.600 the past month.

00:13:29.460 Nobody cares.

00:13:30.700 What I care about is the guy at the factory making toilet paper, the farmer in the field

00:13:35.600 picking his produce, the guy driving the semi-trailer truck bringing both of those products to my

00:13:41.040 local grocery store, to the guy stocking the shelves at my store, to the gal working the 0.99

00:13:46.180 cashier.

00:13:47.900 They're essential, aren't they, truly?

00:13:50.100 And anyone still working to fix things, whether it's plumbing or furnaces or mechanics, the things

00:13:56.280 we actually need to keep going as society?

00:13:58.960 My heart breaks at all the people who were commanded to be unemployed, waiters, anyone

00:14:04.040 in the travel industry.

00:14:05.220 We miss them.

00:14:06.060 They are essential in real people's lives.

00:14:08.180 I'm sorry they were sacrificed by the one-size-fits-all government lockdown, which brings me to my next

00:14:13.320 point.

00:14:13.960 How unessential so much of government has turned out to be.

00:14:17.980 So useless.

00:14:18.740 But the things they're supposed to do, they refuse to do.

00:14:23.080 Service Canada, even federal food inspectors in Alberta, just plain refusing to go to work.

00:14:28.760 Oh, but staying on the government payroll nonetheless, you bet.

00:14:31.560 If we manage to get along without all these bureaucrats and government officials for so long,

00:14:36.840 why do we need them to begin with?

00:14:39.560 I thought it was quite something that Trudeau announced that he was hiring Amazon to ship

00:14:43.500 government products to Canada's far north.

00:14:45.640 Apparently, Canada Post isn't up for the job.

00:14:47.840 Canada Post still gets huge subsidies and special privileges, but apparently they aren't

00:14:52.780 really essential, are they?

00:14:56.160 I think there will be lots of people who question just how excellent their government schools

00:15:00.500 are when they discover what their kids can learn homeschooled with workbooks and the

00:15:05.760 internet.

00:15:07.160 And my last point, that this really is a crisis.

00:15:09.880 It's a health crisis that has been magnified into an economic crisis by politicians that will

00:15:15.620 soon, I fear, become an over-policing and civil liberties crisis.

00:15:20.280 None of which happened in Taiwan, I point out.

00:15:22.800 They're not sick en masse like us.

00:15:24.520 They didn't destroy their economy like us.

00:15:26.400 And although they allow some health information to be shared between health insurance companies

00:15:31.280 and border control to determine which Taiwanese are at risk for the virus and therefore need

00:15:36.140 to be screened, that's about it.

00:15:38.460 Oh, and people who were quarantined upon return to China, to Taiwan, were checked up on by authorities

00:15:43.380 to make sure they were at home.

00:15:44.860 But that's not just mass social distancing.

00:15:47.580 The number of people who were actually quarantined under law is measured in the tens of thousands,

00:15:53.140 not the tens of millions as we've done here in Canada.

00:15:57.240 It's a crisis we're in.

00:15:58.600 But what's not a crisis?

00:16:02.680 What's not as bad as what we're going through now?

00:16:04.540 Well, the theory of man-made global warming is just not.

00:16:08.840 You know that because no one acts like it is.

00:16:11.540 No advocates for the theory of man-made global warming that we're all going to die.

00:16:16.160 They don't stop flying.

00:16:17.940 They don't stop living freely because of global warming.

00:16:20.320 Certainly not global warming celebrities.

00:16:21.840 Global warming is a fake crisis, a luxury, a hobby.

00:16:25.880 It's a shtick.

00:16:26.740 This coronavirus is a real crisis, or at least we certainly made it into one.

00:16:31.720 When we finally get out of it, I think it could change how we look at flim-flam men, 1.00

00:16:36.040 con artists like Greta Thunberg and her pageant mom and showbiz dad and her PR team hucksters

00:16:41.920 who are trying to sell us and tell us that we're all going to die from global warming

00:16:46.160 and we should all shut down our economy to save the planet.

00:16:49.860 No thanks.

00:16:50.560 I think we've just had our fill of panic and crises.

00:16:53.780 For the rest of our lives, we've had our fill.

00:16:55.620 And we've also tasted the destruction that comes from it.

00:16:59.640 These seven points, none of them are tangible things.

00:17:02.040 All of them are changes in mindset.

00:17:05.240 Putting your own country first and reestablishing borders. 0.77

00:17:07.880 Making things that are important, making them in your own country,

00:17:10.900 even if they cost eight cents more than making them in China would.

00:17:14.320 Respecting the work of people who actually do something important,

00:17:17.140 from truck drivers to farmers.

00:17:18.280 Realizing the many institutions we value are simply coasting on an old reputation

00:17:22.860 and they didn't respond well in this crisis at all.

00:17:25.560 In fact, they made it worse.

00:17:26.660 And look, crises are not fun.

00:17:29.760 Even if Al Gore, David Suzuki and Greta Thunberg tell us to have one.

00:17:35.120 Seven changes in our thinking that I hope will stay even when we're through the worst.

00:17:39.900 Stay with us for more.

00:17:53.020 Well, Canada seemed to ignore this pandemic for the longest time

00:17:57.560 and only very recently started to close off border travel

00:18:02.540 and to this day has not done mass testing and face masks are hardly available.

00:18:09.660 A country that seems to have known what was coming, perhaps from experience,

00:18:14.800 and has taken public health steps that have not shut down its economy

00:18:18.880 is the Republic of China, also called Taiwan.

00:18:24.140 We've been trying to learn more about Taiwan's approach.

00:18:27.160 I think one of the most important factors is it has been banned

00:18:31.360 from the UN's World Health Organization

00:18:34.540 because of discrimination from communist China.

00:18:37.980 So they've had to go it alone.

00:18:40.100 And in my view, they've made better decisions as a result.

00:18:43.840 But today we speak to an expert on the ground in Taiwan

00:18:47.520 who has generously agreed to be interviewed by Skype despite the time zone difference.

00:18:53.020 May I introduce to you Dr. Peter Chang, a public health expert in Taiwan

00:18:58.180 who has taught around the world, including universities in the United States,

00:19:02.720 Indonesia, Kazakhstan, and of course Taiwan.

00:19:05.040 He joins us now.

00:19:05.980 Dr. Chang, what a pleasure to meet you.

00:19:07.880 Thank you for taking the time with us.

00:19:10.640 Yes, it's also my great pleasure to talk with you.

00:19:14.020 Thank you.

00:19:14.660 Let me start by asking, how did Taiwan know this was going to be a serious question?

00:19:22.540 In the West, I think people were waiting.

00:19:25.960 It was like we saw a problem off in the distance,

00:19:29.480 but we all sort of thought we were in a different reality over here.

00:19:34.480 How did Taiwan know to take steps as early as late December?

00:19:40.840 Well, we have been working on this virtual issue for many years.

00:19:47.360 Actually, I would recall a history of not being well-informed

00:19:54.180 and very, very isolated in the SARS period.

00:19:57.820 You know, we were the last one to get the SARS

00:20:01.160 and the last one to get out of SARS.

00:20:04.740 And when we get out of SARS, we find we are just like orphanage.

00:20:09.940 You know, there was no one care about what's going on in Taiwan.

00:20:12.520 And we have to take about actually four months after the other countries

00:20:16.840 to get out of the SARS, Canada included.

00:20:19.900 So we have been quite cautiously about what's going on,

00:20:24.520 which is WHO can afford information.

00:20:28.840 But before that, you know, 1998,

00:20:31.620 there was the antivirus in the Southeast Asia.

00:20:34.700 And we were not aware of that.

00:20:38.780 Malaysia got a big hit by the antivirus,

00:20:42.760 and we got 400 cases, including 71 kids were killed by antivirus.

00:20:48.540 And I was, by the time, working in the health ministry,

00:20:51.820 at a very, very early stage of my career,

00:20:54.300 and we find out we didn't get anything from outside of the country.

00:20:59.080 And including in the year 2000,

00:21:01.520 I will give you another example.

00:21:03.740 In the year 2000,

00:21:05.440 West Pacific WHO

00:21:07.660 having declared polio eradication in the region.

00:21:13.580 But why is that so late?

00:21:15.840 Taiwan was the last one getting the polio in 1983.

00:21:21.660 And there was a problem that we cannot prove it to WHO

00:21:25.500 that there was no polio myelitis in Taiwan.

00:21:29.400 And we had to call Australian international experts

00:21:32.200 to come to Taiwan to observe and do an evaluation,

00:21:37.380 to send a report to WHO.

00:21:39.300 So, you know, we are not new to see the situation.

00:21:43.200 It's very awkward.

00:21:44.720 It's not totally healthy at all.

00:21:47.360 We have information we cannot share with WHO,

00:21:50.600 and we got broadcast by China all the time.

00:21:54.180 It has been 20 years.

00:21:55.560 Now, so, with this long tradition,

00:21:58.380 at least more than 20 years alertness,

00:22:00.720 that we have a problem with WHO,

00:22:02.960 and we don't know how to handle the situation in China,

00:22:06.760 including the health issues.

00:22:08.980 And I was,

00:22:10.500 in late last year,

00:22:13.400 I was talking with our CDC person.

00:22:16.540 You know, I was,

00:22:17.540 I'm an ombudsman in Taiwan.

00:22:18.940 I was talking with our health ministry

00:22:20.900 on a constant basis.

00:22:24.900 And I was talking about

00:22:26.260 how often do they get information from China

00:22:29.000 about the health infectious disease.

00:22:31.840 And there was a discussion about,

00:22:34.280 well, how can we improve it?

00:22:36.100 So in late December last year,

00:22:38.700 there was a newspaper already in our local,

00:22:41.840 and there was reporting some doctor in China

00:22:44.260 sharing their personal note

00:22:48.060 about observation of this particular unusual pneumonia.

00:22:53.760 And that recall us that in 2003,

00:22:58.060 the SARS appeared to us,

00:23:00.220 it's like the same.

00:23:01.780 And we have a quick note.

00:23:03.620 Well, will that be the same thing?

00:23:06.160 So in late December,

00:23:07.860 there was our CDC person

00:23:10.600 already take note about what's going on.

00:23:13.920 So they sent an expert to China

00:23:15.520 in Wuhan in early January.

00:23:18.940 And that really,

00:23:20.040 that was real action to see,

00:23:22.520 oh, there was a problem there.

00:23:24.480 So I put it the long way,

00:23:27.340 but you see,

00:23:28.060 we are in the very close to China

00:23:30.640 and we are aware of the,

00:23:32.460 there's something we cannot handle.

00:23:35.660 You know,

00:23:35.840 there was no information sharing.

00:23:37.860 We are always on this alert

00:23:39.500 and that make us well prepared.

00:23:42.420 Wow.

00:23:42.940 So you saw reports of this

00:23:45.520 and you sent your own experts to Wuhan.

00:23:50.640 I presume this was done informally.

00:23:53.860 Did the Chinese government try to stop 0.99

00:23:56.560 your Taiwanese experts

00:23:58.820 from going to Wuhan in January?

00:24:01.540 Or did you just go as private tourists?

00:24:04.780 How did you get into Wuhan

00:24:07.440 in those critical weeks

00:24:10.120 to see for yourself?

00:24:12.780 Well,

00:24:13.580 they've been requested by our CDC

00:24:15.840 to Chinese Minister of Health

00:24:18.760 on this visit.

00:24:21.160 And they was not allowed

00:24:22.860 to get into that area

00:24:25.240 until two,

00:24:27.200 at least two weeks

00:24:28.920 after their application

00:24:30.700 that they got permitted.

00:24:32.460 But they was only

00:24:33.480 coming very informally.

00:24:36.940 There was not official visit.

00:24:39.240 Certainly,

00:24:39.780 these are officers,

00:24:40.740 experts from CDC,

00:24:42.260 but they were only coming to Wuhan

00:24:44.200 as an official visit.

00:24:46.660 And they was able

00:24:47.920 to talk with some of the doctors

00:24:49.880 in the hospital.

00:24:50.780 And because they were aware

00:24:52.940 of this might be something wrong there.

00:24:54.880 So when they come back,

00:24:56.240 they have a press conference

00:24:57.840 and they say that likely

00:24:59.620 there were human-to-human transmission

00:25:02.800 in early January

00:25:04.600 when they come back

00:25:05.440 to open the report.

00:25:07.860 But you see that

00:25:08.960 in December 31st,

00:25:10.820 our CDC already sent a note

00:25:13.940 to WHO

00:25:14.560 and Chinese authorities

00:25:17.060 say that

00:25:17.640 we were aware

00:25:18.980 that there might be

00:25:20.060 something wrong

00:25:20.680 about this atypical pneumonia.

00:25:22.840 Can you rectify that?

00:25:25.500 I mean,

00:25:25.900 but there's no reply at all

00:25:27.500 from WHO

00:25:28.660 and from China.

00:25:29.920 And that's the reason

00:25:30.660 they sent

00:25:31.220 a continued request.

00:25:32.560 Maybe we can send

00:25:33.480 our expert to Wuhan.

00:25:36.160 You see,

00:25:36.540 that is the late December last year

00:25:38.780 and early in January.

00:25:41.200 So the World Health Organization,

00:25:44.120 they were unhelpful as well.

00:25:46.560 Did I hear you correctly there

00:25:48.460 that both the Chinese government

00:25:49.860 and the World Health Organization

00:25:51.800 were not cooperative?

00:25:53.680 Did I hear you correctly?

00:25:56.420 Yes,

00:25:57.260 that is right

00:25:58.780 because we are

00:26:00.340 in international health regulation

00:26:03.560 like a local contact point.

00:26:06.320 And we were supposed

00:26:07.660 to send requests

00:26:09.320 or send information

00:26:10.540 or send our alert to IHR,

00:26:13.760 which is the global treaty.

00:26:15.580 everyone should respond to that

00:26:18.920 or the right to that.

00:26:20.920 If there was a,

00:26:21.500 you know,

00:26:21.740 it's a community networking

00:26:23.700 that you tell someone

00:26:25.260 what have you observed

00:26:26.320 or maybe you answer a question

00:26:28.020 or you share your information.

00:26:30.040 But when the CDC in Taiwan

00:26:33.000 sent that kind of inquiry,

00:26:35.640 that, you know,

00:26:36.440 they have been very modest.

00:26:38.960 They said,

00:26:39.340 we learned something

00:26:40.760 might be going on.

00:26:41.760 are you aware

00:26:42.820 that this is going

00:26:43.780 to be a human-to-human transmission?

00:26:46.180 WHO has nothing replied.

00:26:49.100 Wow.

00:26:50.080 Now,

00:26:50.760 until two, three weeks later.

00:26:53.060 Yeah.

00:26:53.420 So you started to

00:26:54.600 go on alert

00:26:56.100 very late December.

00:26:58.280 You sent a team to Wuhan.

00:27:00.580 So you were on the alert early.

00:27:04.920 Now,

00:27:05.080 we've studied

00:27:05.700 how your country

00:27:07.600 produces

00:27:08.240 about 10 million

00:27:10.360 face masks a day

00:27:11.820 and distributes them

00:27:13.600 through pharmacies

00:27:14.900 so there's not

00:27:15.740 so there's not hoarding.

00:27:17.780 People don't buy them up.

00:27:19.200 And I've spoken

00:27:20.140 to your embassy

00:27:21.120 here in Canada,

00:27:23.380 your economic

00:27:24.160 and cultural office,

00:27:25.700 and they say

00:27:26.540 that there's a rule

00:27:27.520 that Taiwan cannot 0.97

00:27:28.660 export masks,

00:27:31.000 the masks

00:27:31.540 are for domestic patients,

00:27:33.360 which makes sense to me.

00:27:35.540 Here we are

00:27:36.620 in early April

00:27:37.720 and I feel like

00:27:38.720 Canada has only

00:27:40.040 just in the last

00:27:41.640 couple of weeks

00:27:42.620 taken this seriously.

00:27:44.680 We don't have masks.

00:27:46.480 We don't have testing.

00:27:49.440 And on the other hand,

00:27:50.720 we don't have

00:27:51.100 those protections.

00:27:52.820 But so much

00:27:53.820 of our country

00:27:54.460 is in total lockdown.

00:27:56.920 No schools are open.

00:27:58.420 No restaurants are open.

00:28:00.400 No theaters

00:28:01.180 or anything like that.

00:28:02.840 Can you tell us

00:28:03.900 how Taiwan

00:28:05.060 has allowed people

00:28:07.140 to continue to work,

00:28:09.140 go to school,

00:28:09.940 and even go

00:28:10.620 to some restaurants?

00:28:11.720 How do you get out

00:28:12.800 of the total lockdown

00:28:13.900 that we're in

00:28:15.380 and get to some

00:28:16.960 normal kind of life,

00:28:19.140 maybe just with masks

00:28:20.360 and testing?

00:28:21.060 Well, you know,

00:28:24.880 it's not one step.

00:28:27.020 It's many, many steps

00:28:28.020 in consequence

00:28:29.100 that in January 23rd,

00:28:33.440 our premier already said

00:28:34.640 that we have to produce

00:28:35.800 a big number of the masks.

00:28:37.960 But we,

00:28:38.740 by the time,

00:28:39.360 we will only produce

00:28:40.420 one million a day.

00:28:42.540 You know,

00:28:42.820 it's not enough.

00:28:44.260 We got a 23 million population.

00:28:46.280 And so the premier said,

00:28:48.040 well, I'm sorry,

00:28:49.020 we cannot export.

00:28:50.480 We should increase

00:28:51.780 our production

00:28:52.620 until we will be able

00:28:54.680 to supply a lot

00:28:56.180 to every individual.

00:28:57.900 You know,

00:28:58.260 every individual

00:28:58.980 has a right

00:28:59.640 to get a mask.

00:29:00.800 So I think the mask

00:29:02.100 is already in our culture.

00:29:04.340 It's not a big deal.

00:29:05.840 You know,

00:29:06.280 if the government

00:29:07.660 or if the teacher

00:29:08.700 asks people

00:29:09.500 to wear a mask,

00:29:10.660 people would wear a mask.

00:29:12.400 You know,

00:29:13.100 just like you

00:29:13.900 wear a glove.

00:29:15.040 You know,

00:29:15.380 it's cold.

00:29:16.360 You put on the coat.

00:29:17.520 It's no big deal.

00:29:18.520 So it's quite easy

00:29:20.560 for us to get used

00:29:22.160 to that new protection

00:29:23.900 to wear a mask

00:29:24.880 and wash your hand.

00:29:26.540 So in late January,

00:29:27.800 we already do that

00:29:28.820 and increase

00:29:29.860 the production of the mask

00:29:31.140 as much as possible now.

00:29:32.800 It's going to 15 million

00:29:34.320 a day now.

00:29:35.480 So we will be able

00:29:36.720 to start thinking

00:29:38.240 about provide

00:29:39.460 some of this mask

00:29:40.860 to outside the country.

00:29:42.880 So wearing a mask

00:29:44.340 is the very,

00:29:45.560 very early stage.

00:29:47.040 But also,

00:29:47.980 we cut the direct fly

00:29:49.680 from Wuhan to Taiwan

00:29:51.120 very, very early.

00:29:52.920 And that is very critical.

00:29:54.580 And then there was

00:29:55.220 other airport

00:29:55.860 in Hubei province.

00:29:58.380 So we was trying to,

00:30:00.000 you know,

00:30:00.260 we have thousands of people

00:30:02.420 coming from China

00:30:03.580 to Taiwan

00:30:04.380 on the other hand

00:30:05.640 every day.

00:30:06.980 And this is,

00:30:07.880 that's the reason

00:30:08.380 we are at the high risk.

00:30:11.020 And the first,

00:30:11.520 that we cut down

00:30:12.500 the flight.

00:30:13.460 There was no direct flight

00:30:14.340 for Wuhan.

00:30:15.260 And there was

00:30:15.680 a thousand of people

00:30:16.740 from Taiwan.

00:30:17.840 They remain in Wuhan

00:30:18.920 until recently.

00:30:20.880 I'm sorry for that

00:30:22.000 because we have to cut it.

00:30:23.720 And we minimize

00:30:24.340 the entry

00:30:25.220 from Chinese air flight

00:30:27.580 coming to Taiwan.

00:30:28.800 That's the first

00:30:29.980 very, very important

00:30:31.200 step to stop it.

00:30:32.520 Now, certainly,

00:30:33.540 they're putting

00:30:34.360 a lot of alert

00:30:35.720 to the public

00:30:36.540 that the pneumonia

00:30:37.720 is really coming.

00:30:39.180 And we have to

00:30:40.380 practice everything

00:30:41.600 that you see

00:30:42.500 we don't have

00:30:43.160 until today

00:30:44.400 we got 360

00:30:46.200 cases so far

00:30:48.380 confirmed

00:30:48.920 compared to

00:30:49.840 many other countries.

00:30:50.900 This is

00:30:51.400 incredible.

00:30:53.000 This is unbelievable

00:30:53.940 that though

00:30:54.780 because we check

00:30:56.560 in all the entry

00:30:57.960 from the airport,

00:30:59.480 from airlines

00:31:00.480 and check in

00:31:01.940 every contact.

00:31:02.900 There were

00:31:03.660 more than

00:31:04.300 50,000 people

00:31:05.740 already being chased

00:31:07.320 about are they

00:31:08.260 in contact

00:31:08.860 and they have to

00:31:09.480 be asked to

00:31:10.300 stay at home

00:31:11.120 for two weeks.

00:31:12.540 You know,

00:31:12.740 we are really crazy

00:31:14.100 about checking

00:31:15.140 every potential

00:31:16.300 but there was

00:31:17.500 no complaint

00:31:18.420 by the public

00:31:19.360 at all

00:31:19.920 because people

00:31:20.840 see that

00:31:21.340 if we don't

00:31:22.160 stop it

00:31:22.720 in the early phase

00:31:23.620 they will go

00:31:24.280 to a hospital

00:31:25.000 and the hospital

00:31:25.780 will be bombarded

00:31:26.940 with too many cases

00:31:28.120 and, you know,

00:31:29.160 many other countries

00:31:30.020 they lost their

00:31:30.780 hospital capacity

00:31:31.680 very easily.

00:31:32.900 So I think

00:31:33.480 we take

00:31:34.100 from

00:31:34.720 early,

00:31:37.080 middle January

00:31:37.780 until now

00:31:38.760 three months

00:31:39.420 is already

00:31:40.100 we are on this

00:31:41.480 alert

00:31:41.940 that

00:31:42.560 well,

00:31:43.480 we are kind of

00:31:44.440 enjoying

00:31:45.600 still the liberty

00:31:46.580 to try

00:31:47.160 to go shopping

00:31:48.460 as long as

00:31:49.320 you have to wear

00:31:49.840 a mask.

00:31:50.620 We have to wear

00:31:51.940 a mask

00:31:52.360 when you are

00:31:52.920 on the subway

00:31:53.720 or you are

00:31:54.680 on the bus.

00:31:55.960 Now if you go

00:31:56.640 to the post office

00:31:57.680 or you visit

00:31:58.680 the bank

00:31:59.200 it's possible

00:32:00.240 you have to wear

00:32:01.040 a mask.

00:32:01.460 so we

00:32:02.260 are using

00:32:03.480 our mask

00:32:04.240 but giving us

00:32:05.320 the liberty

00:32:06.020 to travel around

00:32:07.180 the school

00:32:07.780 is open

00:32:08.440 the university

00:32:09.400 is open

00:32:10.720 so, you know,

00:32:11.880 it's a trade-off

00:32:12.780 you're losing

00:32:13.360 some of that

00:32:14.320 entertainment

00:32:15.720 luxuries

00:32:16.500 but we got

00:32:17.920 the liberty

00:32:18.560 of still

00:32:19.620 keeping the life

00:32:20.460 going on.

00:32:22.560 Yeah,

00:32:23.340 well,

00:32:23.960 when you say

00:32:24.580 that you

00:32:25.020 quarantined

00:32:25.660 50,000 people

00:32:27.040 out of a population

00:32:29.060 of 23 million

00:32:30.560 Taiwanese

00:32:31.340 that's

00:32:33.160 two tenths

00:32:35.780 of one percent

00:32:37.080 if my math

00:32:37.960 is correct.

00:32:39.080 23,000

00:32:40.320 would be one tenth.

00:32:41.300 I mean

00:32:43.120 50,000

00:32:44.240 in total

00:32:45.140 from

00:32:46.060 mid-January

00:32:47.400 until now.

00:32:48.320 Right.

00:32:48.700 So,

00:32:48.980 that's incredible

00:32:50.460 to me

00:32:51.020 because in Canada

00:32:53.080 because we did not

00:32:54.420 shut down

00:32:55.060 our flights

00:32:55.680 now

00:32:57.040 a hundred percent

00:32:58.420 of our population

00:32:59.620 is under

00:33:01.160 some restriction

00:33:02.040 not

00:33:02.520 zero

00:33:03.660 point

00:33:04.580 two percent.

00:33:06.200 Let me ask you

00:33:07.040 one last question

00:33:07.840 Dr. Chang

00:33:08.420 and I'm so grateful

00:33:09.240 for your time

00:33:09.980 and thank you

00:33:10.780 for arranging

00:33:11.360 this interview

00:33:12.000 despite the

00:33:13.100 time zone

00:33:13.640 differences.

00:33:14.700 So,

00:33:15.560 you've told us

00:33:16.540 a little bit

00:33:17.060 about how

00:33:17.700 Taiwan

00:33:18.340 found out

00:33:19.380 about the virus

00:33:20.320 and how you

00:33:21.400 locked down

00:33:22.080 flights from China

00:33:23.140 and how you

00:33:24.180 ramped up

00:33:24.960 mask production

00:33:26.020 more than

00:33:27.920 two months ago.

00:33:30.220 That's something

00:33:31.060 that hopefully

00:33:31.640 we can learn

00:33:32.280 from in the future

00:33:33.200 but in Canada

00:33:34.460 today

00:33:35.060 we have

00:33:36.500 a lockdown

00:33:37.320 of a great

00:33:37.940 many people

00:33:38.680 our public

00:33:40.160 health officials

00:33:40.840 are still saying

00:33:41.940 we don't need

00:33:43.160 masks

00:33:43.780 which sounds

00:33:44.520 absurd to me

00:33:45.680 and

00:33:47.180 they're not

00:33:48.780 really disclosing

00:33:50.260 a lot of

00:33:51.320 facts

00:33:51.960 about their

00:33:53.660 models

00:33:54.900 about their

00:33:55.780 projections

00:33:56.460 for who's

00:33:58.360 going to get

00:33:58.780 sick

00:33:59.120 and how many

00:33:59.720 people

00:34:00.140 if you had

00:34:01.620 any advice

00:34:02.260 for Canada

00:34:02.960 today

00:34:03.880 not what

00:34:04.960 we should

00:34:05.500 have done

00:34:05.920 a month

00:34:06.440 or two

00:34:06.840 or three

00:34:07.260 ago

00:34:07.660 but how

00:34:08.440 we can

00:34:08.900 get out

00:34:09.300 of this

00:34:09.620 trouble

00:34:09.980 today

00:34:10.680 do you

00:34:11.700 have any

00:34:12.280 advice

00:34:12.780 for Canada

00:34:13.440 or America

00:34:14.440 or other

00:34:15.820 western countries

00:34:17.200 that really

00:34:18.660 were caught

00:34:19.620 sleeping?

00:34:22.400 Well

00:34:22.600 information

00:34:23.820 you know

00:34:24.680 is like

00:34:25.180 intelligence

00:34:25.840 is the most

00:34:26.560 critical

00:34:27.100 in fighting

00:34:28.240 you know

00:34:31.140 when your

00:34:32.080 enemy

00:34:32.760 is a virus

00:34:33.720 we need

00:34:34.840 we need

00:34:34.860 a very

00:34:35.260 very good

00:34:35.860 intelligence

00:34:36.700 when it

00:34:37.520 started

00:34:37.900 in Wuhan

00:34:38.960 you know

00:34:39.520 Wuhan

00:34:39.840 is a big

00:34:40.520 big

00:34:40.800 I would

00:34:42.380 say

00:34:42.600 it's a

00:34:42.920 40 million

00:34:43.660 or 60

00:34:44.280 million

00:34:44.620 populations

00:34:45.340 and there

00:34:46.400 are many

00:34:46.760 many people

00:34:47.360 coming out

00:34:48.240 of Wuhan

00:34:48.920 before Christmas

00:34:50.180 many people

00:34:51.620 didn't know

00:34:52.260 realize

00:34:52.840 there are

00:34:53.420 many

00:34:53.680 many rich

00:34:54.300 Chinese

00:34:54.820 they travel

00:34:55.680 out of

00:34:56.300 Wuhan

00:34:56.960 for Christmas

00:34:57.860 for shopping

00:34:59.020 these are the

00:35:00.240 mid-class

00:35:00.880 rich people

00:35:02.040 they are not

00:35:02.540 working

00:35:02.920 they are not

00:35:03.960 just

00:35:04.240 they are not

00:35:05.660 working class

00:35:06.640 they are rich

00:35:07.560 they're going

00:35:08.020 out to New York

00:35:09.860 to Paris

00:35:11.340 to Milan

00:35:12.600 for Christmas

00:35:13.880 shopping

00:35:14.600 so before

00:35:15.280 Christmas

00:35:15.820 there are

00:35:16.580 already

00:35:17.000 many many

00:35:17.760 people

00:35:18.180 from Wuhan

00:35:19.080 Chinese

00:35:19.640 travel out

00:35:20.700 of Wuhan

00:35:21.360 and you see

00:35:23.800 that

00:35:24.120 the alertness

00:35:25.300 of this

00:35:26.080 is usually

00:35:27.060 people say

00:35:27.640 it's generally

00:35:28.480 February

00:35:28.860 no

00:35:29.320 no

00:35:30.540 actually

00:35:31.540 in December

00:35:32.280 in December

00:35:33.420 Christmas

00:35:33.980 before Christmas

00:35:35.300 and even

00:35:36.140 during the

00:35:36.660 Christmas period

00:35:37.320 many Chinese

00:35:38.400 people

00:35:39.020 at least

00:35:39.800 one million

00:35:40.420 of them

00:35:40.720 already

00:35:41.160 travel outside

00:35:42.020 of Wuhan

00:35:42.540 coming to

00:35:43.400 every part

00:35:44.240 of the world

00:35:44.880 right

00:35:45.660 if you see

00:35:46.300 New York

00:35:47.220 if you see

00:35:47.900 London

00:35:48.480 now

00:35:48.900 it didn't

00:35:50.260 happen

00:35:50.780 in March

00:35:51.940 in February

00:35:52.740 the cluster

00:35:54.420 of this virus

00:35:55.520 already in the city

00:35:57.140 in the Christmas

00:35:58.600 period

00:35:59.140 in the small numbers

00:36:00.760 and they're spreading

00:36:01.880 so therefore

00:36:02.680 the intelligence

00:36:04.140 to lower down

00:36:05.800 the passenger

00:36:06.680 from the epicenter

00:36:08.460 is critical

00:36:09.400 now

00:36:10.080 if they already

00:36:11.460 come to the

00:36:12.460 community

00:36:13.200 transmission

00:36:14.200 if you already

00:36:15.180 got a lot

00:36:15.740 of cluster

00:36:16.320 in family

00:36:17.020 in the schools

00:36:17.920 we need to

00:36:19.420 protect the

00:36:20.560 people

00:36:21.040 by mask

00:36:23.400 you limiting

00:36:25.180 them at home

00:36:26.520 that's right

00:36:27.280 but it's

00:36:27.980 big sacrifice

00:36:29.000 right

00:36:29.440 you cannot

00:36:30.240 go shopping

00:36:30.880 you cannot

00:36:31.140 go to school

00:36:31.720 so wearing

00:36:32.580 masks as

00:36:33.400 early as

00:36:34.100 possible

00:36:34.540 washing hands

00:36:35.420 because this

00:36:36.500 respiratory

00:36:37.400 droplets

00:36:38.040 is really

00:36:38.680 coming from

00:36:39.300 person to

00:36:40.120 person

00:36:40.500 when people

00:36:41.320 talking to

00:36:41.880 each other

00:36:42.480 when they

00:36:42.920 cough and

00:36:43.420 sneezing

00:36:43.980 in the

00:36:44.560 environment

00:36:45.140 I would

00:36:45.980 say a lot

00:36:46.640 of toilet

00:36:47.720 public toilet

00:36:48.580 in the airport

00:36:49.260 was tremendous

00:36:50.220 dangerous

00:36:50.940 because

00:36:51.940 no ventilation

00:36:53.360 so my

00:36:55.240 suggestion

00:36:56.200 well in

00:36:57.200 different period

00:36:57.780 of time

00:36:58.160 in Canada

00:36:58.800 you already

00:36:59.360 have got

00:36:59.960 a lot of

00:37:00.460 cases

00:37:00.820 you need to

00:37:01.820 lock down

00:37:02.420 the city

00:37:02.980 a community

00:37:03.800 that's right

00:37:04.980 but

00:37:05.520 one way

00:37:07.100 or the

00:37:07.360 other

00:37:07.620 you

00:37:07.960 cannot

00:37:08.700 having

00:37:09.440 people

00:37:09.900 inside

00:37:11.060 the house

00:37:11.460 too long

00:37:11.840 they have

00:37:12.160 to do

00:37:12.460 daily

00:37:12.800 activity

00:37:13.360 wear masks

00:37:14.380 wash hands

00:37:15.180 and limit

00:37:16.200 a big

00:37:17.020 cluster

00:37:17.480 of population

00:37:18.480 then

00:37:19.240 slowly

00:37:20.500 slowly

00:37:20.860 you will

00:37:21.280 get

00:37:21.520 those

00:37:22.260 viruses

00:37:22.740 or

00:37:23.660 the infected

00:37:24.160 people

00:37:24.540 going down

00:37:25.340 very interesting

00:37:27.420 well Dr.

00:37:28.520 Cheng 0.64

00:37:28.700 thank you

00:37:29.120 so much

00:37:29.540 for joining

00:37:29.980 us today

00:37:30.420 I've

00:37:31.020 learned a

00:37:31.420 lot

00:37:31.600 including

00:37:32.060 how early

00:37:33.580 Taiwan

00:37:34.720 took

00:37:35.640 control

00:37:36.400 of the

00:37:36.680 situation

00:37:37.200 of its

00:37:37.560 own

00:37:37.820 situation

00:37:38.520 despite

00:37:39.920 the best

00:37:40.780 efforts

00:37:41.160 of

00:37:41.400 communist

00:37:42.100 China

00:37:42.540 and the

00:37:43.200 World Health

00:37:43.660 Organization

00:37:44.260 to stop

00:37:44.840 you

00:37:45.000 congratulations

00:37:45.760 on being

00:37:46.620 one of the

00:37:46.980 most successful

00:37:47.600 countries in

00:37:48.240 the world

00:37:48.660 to fight

00:37:49.560 against this

00:37:50.140 virus

00:37:50.440 I think

00:37:50.800 we should

00:37:51.680 all study

00:37:52.260 the case

00:37:52.740 of Taiwan

00:37:53.340 as a

00:37:54.280 template

00:37:54.680 for what

00:37:55.200 we should

00:37:55.680 do

00:37:56.000 now

00:37:56.740 and even

00:37:57.540 more importantly

00:37:58.160 in the future

00:37:58.700 thank you

00:37:59.080 for your

00:37:59.360 time today

00:37:59.820 doctor

00:38:00.160 thank you

00:38:01.860 for inquiry

00:38:02.680 and question

00:38:03.240 I wish you

00:38:04.000 all the best

00:38:04.720 and good luck

00:38:05.740 for Canada

00:38:06.260 thank you so much

00:38:07.720 well there you have it

00:38:09.100 Dr. Peter Cheng

00:38:10.120 a public health

00:38:11.120 expert in Taiwan

00:38:12.500 previously the

00:38:13.320 advisor of the

00:38:14.860 Taiwan Health

00:38:15.520 Ministry on

00:38:16.260 European Union

00:38:17.160 Affairs

00:38:17.740 at the European

00:38:18.940 Commission

00:38:19.560 stay with us

00:38:20.260 more ahead on the

00:38:20.900 hey welcome back

00:38:30.580 on my monologue

00:38:31.200 yesterday about

00:38:31.860 the fake news

00:38:32.680 of Trump

00:38:33.140 blocking 3M

00:38:33.960 from sending

00:38:34.400 masks to

00:38:34.840 Canada

00:38:35.180 Wayne writes

00:38:36.200 the president

00:38:37.400 3M was

00:38:38.180 following his

00:38:38.700 orders

00:38:39.040 he did not

00:38:40.280 follow the

00:38:40.760 Defense Production

00:38:41.520 Act

00:38:41.940 Trump stepped

00:38:42.800 in and told

00:38:43.280 him the

00:38:43.700 country gets

00:38:44.260 the mask

00:38:44.620 or the

00:38:44.840 government

00:38:45.020 will take

00:38:45.360 control

00:38:45.820 that's

00:38:47.860 correct

00:38:48.220 but did

00:38:50.120 Trump actually

00:38:51.040 say cut

00:38:51.720 off Canada

00:38:52.720 or did he

00:38:53.600 say cut

00:38:54.080 off overseas

00:38:55.380 or foreign

00:38:56.200 and in

00:38:56.540 Trump's

00:38:57.000 mind

00:38:57.480 Trump does

00:38:58.360 not even

00:38:58.780 think of

00:38:59.300 Canada

00:38:59.680 he thinks

00:39:00.320 North America

00:39:00.980 and everyone

00:39:01.880 else

00:39:02.340 so we still

00:39:03.540 don't know

00:39:03.920 the actual

00:39:04.440 truth

00:39:04.740 we know

00:39:05.040 what 3M

00:39:05.580 said

00:39:06.200 but we

00:39:06.900 don't know

00:39:07.300 what Trump

00:39:07.760 actually told

00:39:08.520 them

00:39:08.860 Arnold

00:39:10.500 writes

00:39:10.940 why won't

00:39:11.780 the Prime

00:39:12.040 Minister

00:39:12.280 just get

00:39:12.760 tested

00:39:13.080 and go

00:39:13.340 back to

00:39:13.680 work

00:39:13.940 well there's

00:39:14.740 no need

00:39:15.060 to test

00:39:15.580 him

00:39:15.740 he's been

00:39:16.380 in this

00:39:17.200 fake quarantine

00:39:17.960 for a month

00:39:18.640 he never

00:39:19.260 had any

00:39:19.860 symptoms

00:39:20.200 to begin

00:39:20.700 with

00:39:20.920 he's

00:39:21.360 lazing

00:39:21.680 about

00:39:21.960 at home

00:39:22.360 he likes

00:39:23.100 it

00:39:23.260 what's so

00:39:23.660 stunning

00:39:24.060 is that

00:39:24.600 the media

00:39:24.980 party

00:39:25.320 who talk

00:39:25.800 with him

00:39:26.000 every day

00:39:26.360 they don't

00:39:27.160 even ask

00:39:27.620 him about

00:39:27.940 this

00:39:28.140 because

00:39:28.380 you know

00:39:29.100 that's

00:39:29.400 too mean

00:39:30.100 and they

00:39:30.780 have never

00:39:31.620 asked Trudeau

00:39:32.460 a mean

00:39:33.320 question

00:39:33.760 in their

00:39:34.160 lives

00:39:34.640 and mean

00:39:35.220 of course

00:39:35.580 means

00:39:35.920 a grown-up

00:39:36.780 question

00:39:37.160 for a

00:39:37.540 grown-up

00:39:38.860 Don writes

00:39:39.900 why are we

00:39:40.780 not using

00:39:41.220 the well-trained

00:39:41.740 military

00:39:42.100 personnel at

00:39:42.780 the airports

00:39:43.260 and all

00:39:43.780 entryways

00:39:44.420 well sure

00:39:46.080 I mean

00:39:46.480 you don't

00:39:47.700 have to

00:39:48.100 use the

00:39:48.400 military

00:39:48.660 for that

00:39:49.040 though

00:39:49.200 because

00:39:49.520 there is

00:39:50.160 another

00:39:50.400 federal agency

00:39:51.240 the Canadian

00:39:51.740 Border Services

00:39:52.520 Agency

00:39:53.080 you don't

00:39:54.780 need to put

00:39:55.260 a soldier

00:39:55.800 to do a

00:39:56.860 job of

00:39:57.240 another agency

00:39:57.960 just have

00:39:58.360 the agency

00:39:58.840 do that

00:39:59.440 you don't

00:40:00.000 need to do

00:40:00.400 the RCMP

00:40:01.120 you just

00:40:01.540 we have

00:40:02.200 people at

00:40:02.720 the border

00:40:03.160 who can

00:40:04.100 do it

00:40:04.520 it's not

00:40:05.620 a matter

00:40:06.120 of we

00:40:06.700 don't have

00:40:06.980 the people

00:40:07.320 it's that

00:40:07.620 we haven't

00:40:08.240 done it

00:40:08.680 thermometers

00:40:09.620 do they use

00:40:11.240 in airports

00:40:11.560 around the

00:40:11.920 world

00:40:12.080 I don't

00:40:12.680 know what

00:40:12.960 an electronic

00:40:13.500 thermometer

00:40:14.000 gun is

00:40:14.500 that you

00:40:14.680 just put

00:40:15.140 up to

00:40:15.340 the head

00:40:15.640 is that

00:40:17.100 20 bucks

00:40:17.860 is it

00:40:18.760 50 bucks

00:40:19.960 I doubt

00:40:20.280 it's that

00:40:20.580 expensive

00:40:21.040 and have

00:40:21.980 a little

00:40:22.260 plastic

00:40:22.840 cover so

00:40:23.960 maybe you

00:40:24.420 don't touch

00:40:24.880 the same

00:40:25.300 one to

00:40:25.740 everybody's

00:40:26.240 head

00:40:26.360 I don't

00:40:26.660 know

00:40:26.880 how hard

00:40:27.960 can that

00:40:28.420 be

00:40:28.720 it can't

00:40:30.100 be hard

00:40:30.560 it's not

00:40:31.240 a lack

00:40:31.540 of resources

00:40:32.100 it's a

00:40:32.520 lack

00:40:32.760 of will

00:40:33.560 I find

00:40:34.240 it bizarre

00:40:34.740 every third

00:40:35.900 world country

00:40:36.620 is taking

00:40:37.700 temperatures

00:40:38.280 that's what

00:40:38.900 they say

00:40:39.220 when they

00:40:39.520 land here

00:40:40.040 when David

00:40:41.060 interviewed

00:40:41.420 those girls 1.00

00:40:41.860 from Pakistan

00:40:42.580 when David

00:40:43.100 interviewed

00:40:43.460 those guys

00:40:43.900 from China

00:40:44.460 they all

00:40:44.980 said oh

00:40:45.300 yes

00:40:45.620 tested

00:40:46.000 everywhere

00:40:46.420 except here

00:40:47.260 in Canada

00:40:47.680 that is not

00:40:48.320 because we're

00:40:49.120 out of money

00:40:49.880 or out of

00:40:50.840 people

00:40:51.280 it's because

00:40:52.100 we have

00:40:52.440 Justin Trudeau

00:40:53.200 and the

00:40:53.440 World Health

00:40:53.920 Organization

00:40:54.500 making the

00:40:55.600 decisions for

00:40:56.280 us

00:40:56.400 well that's

00:40:56.720 the show

00:40:56.960 for today

00:40:57.360 until tomorrow

00:40:58.040 on behalf

00:40:58.900 of all of us

00:40:59.500 at the

00:40:59.720 Rebel World

00:41:00.140 High Quarters

00:41:00.640 to you

00:41:00.920 at home

00:41:01.140 good night

00:41:01.520 stay healthy

00:41:02.580 and keep

00:41:03.560 fighting

00:41:03.820 for freedom

00:41:04.360 for kids

00:41:05.060 getting

00:41:21.920 outside

00:41:22.580 you

00:41:22.780 you

00:41:22.880 you

Rebel News Podcast - April 08, 2020

The pandemic has caused chaos and tragedy — but these 7 things are BETTER now

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